pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

rin is talking about this

no matter the team you make, if your progression halted or slowed down, you'll eventually be unable to fight at all

this especially so if you took breaks

CP besides meta counts the most

[cobalt pawn]

I have played every day since red hood

[tropic summit]

alrighty, then you'd be fine as long as you stayed in CP range

[tidal lichen]

since 1st anniv?

[tropic summit]

compare your synchro to the synchro of challenger ranks, if you're within 10-20 you're still ok

[cobalt pawn]

I also think my server has been ded so I may be skewing higher than I should be. I have been top of the normal arc rankings since 1 month in

[cobalt pawn]

yeah

[tidal lichen]

i started at the end of 2nd anniv and im also 459

f2p

[cobalt pawn]

I was slacking in hardmode until a month ago so that could be a bunch of my resources lost idk

[tropic summit]

what's synchro of ranks ch7-ch10

in your SP arena

[cobalt pawn]

challenger is 761 at the top and 630 at challenge 10

[tropic summit]

ok you're screwed then as rin said

[cobalt pawn]

diamond 1 is 677 to 500

[tidal lichen]

quite bricked indeed.

[cobalt pawn]

I float back and forth from the last d1 to mid d2

[tropic summit]

your best bet is going for dia1, anything above that you'll have no chance because of CP difference

[cobalt pawn]

oh thats fine by me

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/do-your-best-anime

[tidal lichen]

push campaign

[cobalt pawn]

yeah yesterday I cleared it out

on hard 33 rn but I could prob go further, I just took a break for a bit

just curious, why no rumani? I saw her all over the guides

[plucky glen]

does dia 3 consider a bad rank, i took a 2 month skip and now everyone is 900k and 1m above while im 700k

im cooked

[tropic summit]

don't need her with these teams, they're focused on speed and CP

your rumani would tank CP

your main issue will be CP probably for the rest of your account existance

[tidal lichen]

you decide that

it's just gems

[cobalt pawn]

got you

[tropic summit]

average lads will hit dia1 as long as they're consistent on their progress, hitting up to lower challenger
in your case, if you took a break, you already have a foot in the grave

this game pvp doesn't take well with taking breaks/slacking, because CP punishment is pretty heavy

[cobalt pawn]

and what about label/bayT/scarlet/noise? I saw those in guides as well

[tropic summit]

as mentioned earlier, a CP deficit of 15.4% will start kicking you in penalty, nuking your stats, which is a huge advantage for the opponent

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[plucky glen]

which is the main currency ig

[tropic summit]

think of it as if you enter battle and enemy is already on blanc buff and you've blanc debuff on you

[tropic summit]

follow the notes i gave you, those units won't help you atm

@cobalt pawn

#pvp-arena message

[cobalt pawn]

I was just curious, imma use your teams and do that path to improve them, doll xp is hard to come by

[tropic summit]

to answer your question anyway

• scarlet has been powercrept, she's still used on attack teams, defense teams she's a weaker choice
• label is specifically attack oriented, she has usage in CA but barely in defense teams, she can be cheesed there
• noise is a great unit, but you won't stand a chance if you're CP gapped, prioritize core pvp units then she can come afterward

[cobalt pawn]

cool ty for the help 💜

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon now that you're done raidin' and getting laid with arcana, what's the next step

[crystal flicker]

Hes marrying Arcana cosplayer?

[tropic summit]

if only

[hollow lagoon]

struggle against the dying of the light know as the end of time ( @shell hazel )

[tropic summit]

yeah, that thing approaches everyday, ever slightly

creeping out on your well being

[hollow lagoon]

scary af stuff

he made miranda work

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

some tech heresy

[tropic summit]

i saw he reached le 20b

he trusted the process

@crystal flicker imagine marrying your favourite animu waifu seiyuu, then you can listen to her voice for the rest of your life

[crystal flicker]

And ask her to cosplay the character she voiced for night duty

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-see-youre-a-man-of-culture-as-well

[shell hazel]

yeah I estimate 20.3 or 20.4 if I do some last runs but I'm kind of done changing comps here 😄

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon that thing says he can still improve the score

[hollow lagoon]

i can get 50-100m more but i cant be bothered now

[tropic summit]

wow, is this sanity talkin'

[hollow lagoon]

no

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-gif-1748499123257475241

[hollow lagoon]

clearly if i get unit improve ments i;m running again

[shell hazel]

I await zanta later to return to say he got 50-100M more

[tidal lichen]

sr malding is fun

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/re-zero-subaru-18

[tropic summit]

real malderoni

[tidal lichen]

except getting 14 bursts on miranda comp with 0 ammo lines on both ada and rouge

[hollow lagoon]

Don’t run Miranda problem solved

[tropic summit]

why am i not surprised koyori is part of this

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/rambo-john-james-rambo-stare-wet-gif-13186742591476057220

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bocchi-the-rock-gotou-hitori-3

[wind kelp]

Beep boop, your champion list from my part of the battles.

@swift mango that is 😄

[glad meteor]

Bleb goat

[swift mango]

Thank u!

[lunar pawn]

@broken lark you got poked in spa

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit I’ll defeat you one day

[broken lark]

Thx

[jagged current]

Guys, I'm facing an opponent with a slightly higher CP than me. Do I still have any chance, in your opinion? If "maybe", what could I change? The info I can provide is:

His defense team:
CP 673k, level 223

1. Crown / Liter / PrivatyT / Ein / Snow White H.A. (no LB stars there, sorry for the volume bar blocking the way)
2. DrakeT / Anis / HelmT / Moran / Vesti T.U.
3. Cinderella / Bay / Rapi: Red Hood / Jackal / Alice

My attack team (a bit outdated):
CP 606k, level 226

1. Jackal / Red Hood / Rapi: Red Hood / Anis / Alice
2. Noir / Biscuit / DrakeT / Noir / Emma T.U.
3. Pepper / Dolla / Privaty / Vesti T.U.

(EXTRA) My defense team (recently revamped, and much better structured):

1. Scarlet / DrakeT / Trina / Rapi: Red Hood / Jackal
2. Blanc (core +1) / Vesti T.U. / Snow White H.A. / Biscuit / Liter
3. Noise / Alice / Red Hood / Noir / Centi

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

CP wise, you are okay but team wise? ....Wtf is that biscuit in a no defender team?

[jagged current]

Hahahha, I know... 🙂
I'm still getting used to PVP, so you can see I'm learning and adapting as I go

[jagged current]

If I simply change the whole teams composition and copy my defense formation, would that pass for most cases?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/shinko-windy-umamusume-10

[tropic summit]

1. when it comes to CP you're fine as long as you're not in penalty. You can always find out by multiplying enemy team CP for 0.846, if your team CP is higher than that value, you're not hit by penalty

2. grab a burst gen calculator and you'll soon find out that most if not all your teams are very slow
   burst gen mobile/PC friendly: https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck

3. pick 2 of the worst enemy teams and make a counter, in this case all 3 teams are kinda junk, i'd pick T1 and T3

T1 = enemy has very high feed and all of those units are weak to scarlet, 2RL scarlet it
T3 = enemy is slow as hell... and to make it worse they've cinderella in p1, that gives all your RL units increased burst gen (1.75x), any nuke team here will wipe them all

that said, team suggested attached, go get em (assumed non in deficit, pad as needed if you don't meet CP requirement)

penalty for reference:

sauce: https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[jagged current]

Roger that. I appreciate your time explaining these mechanics to me, Rail. Do you happen to change your three SP Arena attack teams for every new opponent you go up against?

And one last thing, do you believe my SP Arena defense teams listed below are acceptable, or would you still change anything about them?
Scarlet / Drake / Trina / RapiRH / Jackal
Blanc / Vesti / Snow / Biscuit / Liter
Noise / Alice / Red Hood / Noir / Centi

[tropic summit]

as defense teams they're acceptable, although keep in mind any scarlet that is not stun, indom or rosanna variant on defense is very weak (namely, glass cannon scarlet)

T3 also is on the slower side and very little threat (alice is pepega on def)

as for your question on attack teams, yes the higher you climb the most likely you'll need to tailor your attack teams to what you facing

there are some attack teams that counter a good chunk of defense teams, but not all of them

these 2 are currently one of the highest win ratio be it on def or atk

[jagged current]

Understood.
I am still hovering around the rank "Challenger 10", so, still a ways up till the top. 🙂

Tsk... I don't have Ada, Noah or Maiden Ice Rose. I'm brand new to the game. 🙂

[tropic summit]

coming right after the above is slow cindy, rapunzel-soline-scarlet, absolute and nayuta 2RL

[jagged current]

The dream ❤️

[tropic summit]

some teams share certain units so obviously you'll need to make a choice based on what you facing

there are then slight variation of the above, but the archetypes are mostly like that

[jagged current]

Yeah............... I believe I've seen team compositions like these before. A lot of people are already doing research, even while they are still beginners like me. People are sharp!

2 weeks ago I got "Anchor Innocent Maid" because she is RL and I've seen her many times in PVP. Once she is strong enough, is it worth to swap her for Anis?

[tropic summit]

anis is clip RL, anchor:IM is normal mag RL, they serve quite different purposes

one is a main B2 to give you HP and atk%, the other just provides burst gen

[jagged current]

Oh...

[tropic summit]

get familiar with the main burst gen units, it will make your life easier when you gotta build teams

in the table above they're ordered from strongest to less effective

[jagged current]

most definately. thanks for sharing that diagram

[hollow lagoon]

how does nikke deck still no haz arcana

[tropic summit]

in a very broad sense current pvp tierlist on prydwen is reliable if you've any doubt on which unit to get built for pvp

[quartz vortex]

how would you counter this team?

[hollow lagoon]

gotta indom it i guess

[tropic summit]

@jagged current aim to get most if not all SSS ranked units

sauce: https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/tier-list/

[slate falcon]

Ty @tropic summit

[jagged current]

Right. And that "Nikke Deck" website along too.
So I should always focus on building teams which are considered 3 RL or 2.5 RL to be faster than my opponent?

Out of the SSS tier list, I'm just missing Noah and Emilia (which I cannot get anymore, being an Abnormal). At the present moment, I'm working on getting Moran and Helm to Treasure status

[tropic summit]

you need 408k CP, suggest team attached
if you don't reach that CP, don't bother

[hollow lagoon]

Dropperoni

[tropic summit]

the strong ones are starting to play, you probably expected this already

[hollow lagoon]

never expected to made 200 anyway

with my 60 ele ness

[tropic summit]

one of those is playing speedrun to ban

[hollow lagoon]

i want whatever this guy's comp

[quartz vortex]

worth to open cases or not really?

[tropic summit]

then you better have anis SR really invested

[tropic summit]

depends on you, if you're sitting ch1-ch6 probably not, keep em

[jagged current]

Anyways, I believe I have plenty of homework available to handle on my end, heh. Thanks so much for helping, Rail. Take care.

[tropic summit]

you welcome, happy hunting
it will take time but you'll learn for sure

[jagged current]

sure will 😉

[hollow lagoon]

dang yulha meta

[tropic summit]

ye 2.5RL is the ideal speed, 3RL is barely acceptable

make sure your p1 is resistant (jackal linked, a moran, a noise or a nayuta, else a defender with biscuit in the same team)

[tropic summit]

the guy was still kind, he could've put a mocking alias or some shiet

he actually bothered doing towers

[hollow lagoon]

i wish i'm that good

[shell hazel]

sad truth is game is probably full of players who cheat but do it in such a way they don't get caught

cheat for 0.5%? no will even notice

[tropic summit]

ye that's the "right" way to cheat

just make it seem like you don't because there's others who can

[shell hazel]

it sucks for legit players though, getting pushed down the ranks by some skill-less cheater

[tropic summit]

it's not on the players though, it's on SU

they cheat because noone stops them

the game lack on anti-cheat tool is to blame first and foremost

[hollow lagoon]

man if i add 500m nobody will notice lele

[tropic summit]

getting funny ideas are we

[hollow lagoon]

nah

i'm proud of my score

[tropic summit]

any legit player will never cheat anyway, this is for losers or people who just wanna troll

[hollow lagoon]

i feel so good when i land a good score cheating will take it away

[tropic summit]

ye absolutely, ruins the whole purpose in fact

[hollow lagoon]

and what i get is just bit more gems

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

if i want gems i can just swip and i dont have to spend time learning some tool and risk my account banned

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

they probably bought your loyalty further by letting you sleep with Arcana anyway

[hollow lagoon]

breh

[tropic summit]

a lot of customers were pleased.

[hollow lagoon]

the raid bgm's phase transition gets me locked in every time

[tropic summit]

just wait till SU learns of this pattern so they can milk more nikke ~~ and not in that way~~

[hollow lagoon]

[umbral crown]

[hollow lagoon]

man listening to it without the raid dosnt feel as good

[tropic summit]

just keep playing the RAID non stop for the rest of the day until you grow too used to the track

[hollow lagoon]

u do know i clocked every single attempt untill now right

[tropic summit]

you could always play mock

that way if you score any higher you can live with regret

[hollow lagoon]

how do u think i know i can squeeze out another 50-100m

[shell hazel]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1383426618097401936

some interesting reports in there, but yeah people cheating at all levels

ofc prob a minority but still

@oblique gyro how is chap 40 going? I recorded a few stages if you get stuck on any

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

Imagine recording pve

[shell hazel]

ah gomen

[umbral crown]

But that works for people with pce investment

[shell hazel]

forgot we only record pvp here

[umbral crown]

I could not copy that

You say: use manchor ... and mine has 0 investnent

[shell hazel]

poor maid anchor 🙁

[umbral crown]

Even crown is one of my lowest B2s

[shell hazel]

not SR-15!

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-terrible-foolish-riot-music-unacceptable-gif-5613708779947452512

[wraith knot]

Guys, if scarlet get stunned, is her counter still work while stunned? Or she can't counter?

[undone blaze]

I swear pvp is ruining my sleep

I wake up at weird times, check Nikke only to see someone attacked me

[shell hazel]

you could just accept being a lower rank for your own sanity

[placid bloom]

-1 pull

[undone blaze]

I might just have to accept the 300 gem loss and aim for top 10 instead of 6

[placid bloom]

if you lose to only 1 dude then maybe it's fine to fight for the rank, but if you are losing to multiple dudes it's a waste of time

[undone blaze]

A few different ones, but not all in the same day

Usually 1-2 losses per day

[shell hazel]

remember you only get 2 free tries per day so just use 1 then use the other some hours later if you want to

not like you will want to get into a gemming war anyway

[undone blaze]

Yeah, I save my attempts now instead of having to use them just because

[undone blaze]

Already did once, never again

Which is why I gave up on #5-6

Waste, when 6 is good enough for 2700

[humble tiger]

@gaunt pulsar worked.

[gaunt pulsar]

[versed mesa]

I did that for over 3 months. It is not worth it just for some extra gems. Got so much anxiety that I could not even sleep without thinking "Oh shit, I wonder if that one dude who leveled his synchro yesterday hit me already."

[tropic summit]

and those are cheaters on a bit more obvious level... now imagine all of those that just don't cheat in a way that it blatantly show...

third party tools, macros, external helpers and all of that sh*t

oh but pretty alice too quickly and you get banned

[tropic summit]

yes counter still works, it's procced on taking dmg, regardless of unit state

[tropic summit]

with the power of friendship

[gaunt pulsar]

even those that are blatant are alive, even after reports still logging on, still playing
must be a wizard

[arctic jewel]

Imagine feeling satisfied after cheating...

[gaunt pulsar]

ziz normal* same cheat score on gluttony by the same dude

[tropic summit]

the community isn't making enough noise for this to matter i guess... if the sales dropped a bit SU would instantly notice and take action

oh but wait, that new lewd skin released lemme buy it

[tropic summit]

there's always those kind of people, albeit a minority, some just want to see their name printed on the screen with a nice ranking number beside it

[gaunt pulsar]

at least they cannot cheat gems for themselves ||or can they? ||

[tropic summit]

hmm they'd need to find a way to bypass ingame checks and somehow mess with transactions

[arctic jewel]

If money is on the line, then Shift Up will definitely react to it

[tropic summit]

i'm pretty sure while nikke is sloppy on scoreboards, they've a very good tracking of transaction hacks

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah when money involved every company is usually quick to react

[fast nest]

Still not banned? wtf?

[gaunt pulsar]

i've reported him once like a month ago, still there

[fast nest]

I also reported him a month ago.

[tropic summit]

you've to understand, indie game does not have the resources to handle this

[fast nest]

This is score board from MC at Anormaly interception.

Every globu user need to report him

[placid bloom]

[arctic jewel]

Report button is only there to look pretty on the surface

[arctic jewel]

Ok, fine, what's the guy's ID? I don't know how to type those chars in the search bar

[fast nest]

You can find his profile by clicking this.
I am attaching his UID here just in case.

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

[wraith knot]

Ah, okay

[gusty cliff]

hello good sir, sorry
forgot to ask what should i use in rookie arena
also just pulled trina so i can use scarlet if needed

[tropic summit]

for rookie use

• nayuta helmt swha rh laplaceT

or

• jackal swha laplaceT blanc helmT

[gusty cliff]

hmm any tips on which one i should use?

like which is btr for which use

[hoary hill]

second is better for ig noah comps i suppose because of blanc making one char unkillable for like 10 seconds and 1 comp ig fast burst gen even tho this looks more like a comp for sustain instead of unga bunga make one unit unkillable could be wrong tho (also 2 comp can be good for second comp scenario xd )

[gusty cliff]

sounds gud ill jus take sustain
since most people run one burst i think

thanks peeps, have a great day as usual~

[lethal karma]

Some mf took my 3rd spot, should i retake it before sp reset

[hoary hill]

good question

[lethal karma]

I pretty much guarantee 3rd spot anyway

[hoary hill]

[lethal karma]

Just wanna be there so i get the higher rank in new bracket

[hoary hill]

wait after this new bracket fr

[swift mango]

SU: Nah he is skilled, reporter having skill issue.

[lethal karma]

So ill have to wait?

[forest zodiac]

would this work? I know (or at least I'm a bit confident) t1 wins, but i'm not sure about others

[shell hazel]

there was a guy in that thread who was being called out for having essentially 4 legit looking teams and then one randomly that did more damage than any of the top whels could do

more than 1B above the max core 🐳 crew on that boss, so yeah they were just cheating on a single team to try to edge into the leaderboards

[tropic summit]

not the first and won't be the last i'm sure

[humble tiger]

@tropic summit

[versed mesa]

Second season in a row with only 4th and 2700 gems

[humble tiger]

This is the second time I got 3K gems.

[harsh pilot]

Piece of trash game crashed from pressing on my opponent's challenge button

[humble tiger]

I think it's gonna be harder from here on out.

[harsh pilot]

has the game just been dying for extremely small things for anyone else?

[versed mesa]

Should have still gone through if you clicked in time before reset though? Check if your rank changed, if you were attempting a snipe.

[harsh pilot]

I couldn't snipe 2nd or 3rd because of this ish

Nah, I'm at 6th

Had to make a snap decision after the game crashed and I went with the easier person

[surreal fable]

Whats a better way to hit this? Absolute squad arent invested

And no rosanna

[versed mesa]

Yup. I rarely crash on arena, but when I do it is always when I really wanted to know and test what I am losing to to adjust teams, but crash, no recap.

[harsh pilot]

I mean, I accomplished my goal for the season regardless. Forced the 2nd and 3rd guys to waste so many retries they might as well have been in 6th (and I think I boned the 2nd place guy into practically earning 10th). Still annoying for the game to just die w/ 2 minutes before reset

When half the challenger bracket knows how to beat everyone else, you just gotta take what you can get

[versed mesa]

I am in the position that top 4 is pretty much on lockdown between me and the 3 whales in the bracket. Though they all started being more active and two heavily gem, so since I only keep doing SP for the gems, I never gem. Trying to min max with my two free tickets got too mentally taxing so I am just sitting in 4th, hitting who I can in top 3 just to keep them on their toes.

[undone blaze]

Would this be worse or better on Jackal? Probably a bit better?

[versed mesa]

You do want charge speed, but just for pure CP reasons 3 lines is better than 1

[shell hazel]

not like jackal is there for damage

I'd take the 3 lines for the cp for now

[versed mesa]

A dupe for Midhara let's goooo!

Ages since my last OS/Pilgrim dupe

[hollow lagoon]

And I was like man these guy got pilgrims it’s been a long since I got one common anything

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

[feral thistle]

im once again, asking for help for building a team for arena and 3 for special. Here are my girls

[covert lintel]

Look @swift mango
Yesterday i got rid of that ammo but today it came back

3x ammo on rh

https://tenor.com/view/horrified-funny-face-dang-ice-cube-gif-12839544880309883282

[carmine pond]

What da hell

(all four of these were me being attacked by who were first and third place)

Noah and Moran are also criminally uninvested

[arctic jewel]

hmmm, why are you showing your attack team? what's your defense team?

[arctic jewel]

lel, ait

[carmine pond]

[arctic jewel]

well, I would personally move your SWHA into somewhere like p3 perhaps

then move Noah or Moran into p1

[arctic jewel]

this could also be a factor

[carmine pond]

I'm saying they attacked me after I switched from my deficit strategy and now I'm winning everything all of a sudden

[arctic jewel]

if they die before burst, then your team falls apart pretty quickly

...

sorry, I'm tired

my bad

I was really stupid

yeah, it's probably because of the very opposite what I just said xD

[carmine pond]

It's been extremely consistent, same exact process every time, minus noah and SWHA losing a TINY bit more health sometimes because of Noah's skill not pproccing. And for some reason SWHA has been the best at surviving P1

[arctic jewel]

Noah's burst makes it so that you're safe from your opponent's attacks and bursts for 3 seconds

[carmine pond]

Had crown there for a bit but 1. she dies faster for god knows what reason, regardless of her higher HP and DEF, and 2. I need Noah to pop instead

[carmine pond]

yea

[arctic jewel]

your team is also very fast (2RL), which means that your opponents will have a hard time to take down your Nikkes without their own burst

since Noah blocks their nuke

[carmine pond]

Noah is OL0 and 5/5/7 adjudant, and Moran is OL0 4/4/4 bastion

Like I said, pretty much as bad as they can be, yet still somehow successful over the two people that were previously dominating pvp

[arctic jewel]

Noah is a monster when it comes to PvP, especially early game

since you and your server are at very low synchro level, they will most likely try to copy your team

or if they have some knowledge, try to counter with something like Blanc indom

so if you want to keep it that way, start building your Noah

so that she can survive more attacks

[carmine pond]

I'm never gonna have time to invest in my RA team 😭

[carmine pond]

Yeah, I've been waiting for her cores in mileage shop but this is the second time FW has been in since her last rotation

[arctic jewel]

oh, and what I said about SWHA's position, it still applies

[arctic jewel]

you will eventually get those, don't worry

@carmine pond oh, and try to replace your Crown with something like Biscuit

not in PvE though obviously, this just applies in PvP

[carmine pond]

I know, I'm just spread thin trying to finish my main PvE team while also getting ready to build Testi

[arctic jewel]

yeah, it's always like that when you're new

not enough resources to build everything

yeah, use that team for now, and when you're OK with your PvE team, try to improve your PvP team with small adjustments

and again, sorry that I didn't realize that you were winning

for some weird reason, I interpreted that you were losing

[carmine pond]

No harm done, up until now it was really a 50/50 on W/Ls

[arctic jewel]

what kind of teams are your opponents using?

[feral thistle]

anyone?

[tropic summit]

the time has come

[shell hazel]

[undone blaze]

Hey, we're in the same server

[carmine pond]

What's your user?

[undone blaze]

Same as here

[carmine pond]

One sec, I'll show you

[somber nexus]

hi, im covering up the name just in case.
this person attacks me in rookie arena multiple times a day (sometimes even all 5 attacks in a day).
this is their defense, and id like some help coming up with an offense team to send a message.
my main team's cp is currently 1.4m (200k below their offense). i have all the pvp nikkes except emilia.

[carmine pond]

That is a brutal team, holy

Odd they don't have noah maxed

[carmine pond]

Can't find you

[undone blaze]

Actually nvm, we're not in the same rookie arena, but i for sure have see u and those other ppl in SPA

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi helmt rh bsoda
• jackal scarlet laplaceT blanc vestiTU
• moran anchorIM trina biscuit SWHA

Notes

• wishlist noah, rumani
• build up vestiTU
• consider bayT as you lacking noah atm

[umbral crown]

Jackal/SnowHA/LaplaceT/Blanc/HelmT

[humble tiger]

Goddammit another one. Meanwhile the only new ones are Centi and Trina.

[tropic summit]

do you've rosanna built?

40% atk 20-40% ele, 7/10/10, SR5-SR15

[umbral crown]

Make sure snow gets the indom

[somber nexus]

Jackal/SnowHA/LaplaceT/Blanc/HelmT ill try this team out thank you!
40 attack 20-40 ele doesnt seem too hard to make atm. what do you mean by SR5-SR15?

[shell hazel]

guessing we can't just siren the noah at p1 probably avoids the stun right?

[tropic summit]

it's the doll, ye run rosy's solution

[carmine pond]

RookieCollection item (doll) at levels 5/10/15

[tropic summit]

ye it's swha helmt noah jackal

[umbral crown]

Nope , team too fast

[shell hazel]

wonder if we can also just overwhelm it

[somber nexus]

ah okie. if rosy's team doesnt work, what team would i try after building rosanna?

[umbral crown]

Indom is the way

[tropic summit]

rosy already gave him the solution anyway

[umbral crown]

I have that team in my rookie but different order

[tropic summit]

it would be

noah biscuit helmt ros jackal, you'd kill both water codes on B1 cast

[umbral crown]

I try many teams and the one suggested was the one that worked

[shell hazel]

I was wondering if noah biscuit vesti sw noise (or moran) may also work

[somber nexus]

got it. thank you so much guys, ill try it out soon

[shell hazel]

we need a b1 derp lol

[umbral crown]

Check

[tropic summit]

risky, vestiTU can get 1hitko on a single crit

it's a solution i used to give until statistically it lost 50/50

@hollow lagoon it's over zant, i've the lower ground

[carmine pond]

https://tenor.com/view/link-zant-twilight-princess-zelda-gif-15882251

[swift mango]

I mean ammo is better than Hit rate. It's no harm done.

[tropic summit]

game: ok, here have def% blue line instead

game: oops it was meant for your moran but it happened on laplaceT, oh welp

[somber nexus]

would you mind sharing what kind of overload lines i should be aiming for blanc and laplace?
would it be the standard atk/ele/chargespeed for laplace and anything for cp padding for blanc?

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

For laplace Atk, Ele and cs, with some ammo, blanc... not sure.. maybe defense and ele, something that makes her cp bigger

[tropic summit]

blue line hit rate

[umbral crown]

My scar with blue defense

[tropic summit]

tank scarlet

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

what's 40% def... 4%DR?

(assuming non true damage)

[shell hazel]

Rail I need 250M to get 21B can I buy it from you?

[umbral crown]

Hmmm

[tropic summit]

these pve g0ons still at it

[shell hazel]

I have to defeat zanta

but I too have the low ground

[tropic summit]

that is a noble goal

[tropic summit]

best i can do is provide you with this weapon

[umbral crown]

Your T5 , thats where the damage is missing

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/credit-card-swipe

[shell hazel]

ok can I have some more damage on it? :0

[lunar pawn]

what is that last team

[upper grove]

Just chill until last day

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-sad-gif-10692536301102666475

[umbral crown]

Of course, imma give you some Doppels damage

[lunar pawn]

are you making use of crystals for fast gen on RL and damage range bonus?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/todd-howard-it-just-works-1

[shell hazel]

it's all I have left 🙁

alice = trash

I just cope it

[umbral crown]

Why not peaksolute

[tropic summit]

how much did your absolute get on it

[lunar pawn]

no mod as offburst yea?

[shell hazel]

I don't think it's that good but even if it was my R-0 doll no OL 4/4/4 absolute units won't do anything lol

[umbral crown]

I have not even tried... yet

But once i get home later

[tropic summit]

go get em

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Mine does nt even have gear

[tropic summit]

as expected, sassuga

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-crown-ah-i-see-i-am-cooked-gif-13175903393027691826

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel get zanta to lower his score somehow

[umbral crown]

But peaksoute should do fine

They are max doll and max skill

[shell hazel]

maybe he could report himself for cheating?

or we can sync lock him to 200?

and call it hard mode

[tropic summit]

remove a few of his cores

[shell hazel]

@lunar pawn am a newer account (ok so it's not super new lol) but yeah lot of stuff not really built yet, even the stuff I ran here much to improve on

[lunar pawn]

whale harder

[tropic summit]

hippo is f2p

[lunar pawn]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-more-kylo-ren-HFe8qjKRQNlLQkbjXM

[shell hazel]

I don't 🐳 for resources to build units with

it just comes in over time

or doesn't when boss gives me 0 rocks

[lunar pawn]

you're wasting valuable time that could be spent buying rocks

[tropic summit]

don't give him ideas

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-30000-arknights-arknights-endfield-perlica-gif-604696076763371309

[shell hazel]

biggest scam item in the shop tbh

[tropic summit]

he needs the money for the lewd skins already

[lunar pawn]

cheapest lol skin

[swift mango]

+1 or really zero if you farmed gear.

[shell hazel]

skins are more fun than buying rocks that give me nothing

[umbral crown]

Like me

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

I keep getting defender gear it's really annoying

I have 8 pilgrim defender chests

do we even have 8 pilgrim defenders in the game?

[spiral onyx]

How long does Nayuta 's nuke take to land?

[tropic summit]

you're ready for noah treasure

[tropic summit]

same frame as scarlet iirc

if anything it applies before blanc/noah on same RL threshold and assuming same CS%

[shell hazel]

I am but I also need to furnace some of this shit I will literally never use

[spiral onyx]

So about 1 burst delay worth of tune

[shell hazel]

keripo cooking new thing?

[tropic summit]

good lord what he cookin'

[spiral onyx]

I'm comparing Nayuta vs Rapunzel

Rapunzel does 1s of stun

Nayuta does 1 wave of nuke + debuffs

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-rice-fried-rice-gif-15126117275146411567

[spiral onyx]

The Rapunzel stun gives you 1 RL worth extra of damage effectively plus a speed advantage

But the Nayuta increases the next 1RL wave of damage and adds in a delayed AoE

When your B3 is VestiT and delayed, Nayuta sounds like the better pick here

[jagged current]

Hello everyone. I have 2 questions about Helm in PVP:

1. If she isn't Treasure yet, is it even worth adding her on a team?
2. How important are her extra cores? Should I just keep adding more over time, or just +1 is enough?

[spiral onyx]

Better chance of earlier kill

[tropic summit]

1. no, she needs to be phase 2 and s1 lvl 10 ideal
2. she's fine as long as treasured, cores are added bonuses but not mandatory

[jagged current]

Roger that. Thanks, Rail.

[spiral onyx]

I'm experimenting with Rapunzel-XSoline but so far it's not proving to be fruitful because all our B3s except Scarlet are delayed burst

[tropic summit]

ye you'd need something similar to scarlet, 1s stun frame is very little for anything but instant nuke

[spiral onyx]

If only Harran was around and got treasured...

[tropic summit]

reiT?

she's essentially scarlet and only needs 1 buffer

(in terms of nuking)

[spiral onyx]

The 1 buffer need is getting rough nowadays cause of treasure and doll

0 buffer safer and let's you hit 2RL

[tropic summit]

hmm hard to fit anyone else then

next options all need at least 1 buffer

pmaid, ein, harran

[spiral onyx]

We'll see what they give us in 3.5 anni

Probably another SWHA

[tropic summit]

Overspec anis and neon

[spiral onyx]

Or better yet, Noah Rebuild

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/shhh-shush-silence-nose-gif-17895433

[tropic summit]

shield lasts for the entire fight

[spiral onyx]

Burst: "I'm back bisshes!'

But yeah, I think I'm stuck, my S25 team seems the best we can do atm with no new units

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit ill defeat you one day

[shell hazel]

Keripo did you hear anything more about the damaged shipment?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/knowing-better-kb-1

[somber nexus]

thank you so much ❤️ thank you to others that helped too. hopefully this person stops attacking me 5 times a day -_-

[hollow lagoon]

what 17b

[shell hazel]

zanta is trying to re-take the low ground

[spiral onyx]

Currently in back forth emails with customs, it's a slow process, as expected

[shell hazel]

what you think likely outcome is? refund cost?

[spiral onyx]

lol, no

Every lawyer I talked to said assume nothing

[shell hazel]

screwed up world we live in when customs can open an item, completely destroy it, then you wind up with nothing

actually less than nothing because you paid for it

[oblique gyro]

hello brother

[shell hazel]

[oblique gyro]

i have finished to push, waiting room on ziz

[shell hazel]

grats, you beat void to it 😄

[oblique gyro]

3 months break xdd

haha yeah

[shell hazel]

yeah 561 for ziz is minimum and that is not 100% to succeed I think

[oblique gyro]

yup

[shell hazel]

if not 581 or nearly there

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit playing friend's account

my confusion is infinite

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025

[shell hazel]

yup lol

[umbral crown]

Nice everything is about sending a message

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[shell hazel]

and ofc trusting the process

[slate falcon]

Question guys, who should I use my blue doll on

[cedar sorrel]

Mostly depends on ur units but centi is always useful in my experience to speed teams up and also help on indom teams (she has high hp so no indom steal)

[hollow lagoon]

Noise

[lunar pawn]

noise > centi > biscuit > anis

maybe biscuit before centi depending on the team you wanna build

[slate falcon]

2-1 on noise, majority vote?

[umbral crown]

Indeee

[umbral crown]

Noise of course

[slate falcon]

3-1 , noise it is then

[umbral crown]

Buu buu desu wa

https://tenor.com/view/dia-kurosawa-nesoberi-dia-nesoberi-love-live-aqours-gif-26485510

[glad meteor]

I’m going to say biscuit just because she wont win

[raven plover]

ok I will vote biscuit

[umbral crown]

[indigo mist]

What is the counter to Moran-noah-helm teams?

[tidal lichen]

blanc vesti, slow nuke, mirror

[north brook]

Depends teams ur running really

But since noise the tank taking dmg first normally shes ideal there

[plucky glen]

i got her, what should i do now

[raven plover]

hello when is next spa reshuffle

[solid gorge]

Please no, I am finally capable to stay in Challenger again

[quaint anchor]

i managed to successfully snipe someone in spa before reset at 4:58am

[swift mango]

I vote for biscuit mainly because she is the only unit that you will always use in SpA, ofc if you know what you are doing ofc. But it doesn't matter in the long run anyway.

[tame vessel]

is this pvp chat

[tiny mesa]

i have come to the torture dungeon

how do you build a pvp def adn atk team

[hollow lagoon]

Get in bed

[hollow lagoon]

Well

To start, ya read kits

And you look what people use

And u comprehend

And u build

And the most important part is, if you happen to get other people to make ur comps to start off, you ask why thous units work together and how the mechanic functions

And then u achieve enlightenment and you can make your own teams down the line

[quaint granite]

Cursed Teams for life

[lofty spire]

Does anyone know how to beat this? Cause current team and moran+noah+helm+swha+trina don't work either

[shell hazel]

rosanna would likely help if you have her built

or indom mirror but with ada

@lunar pawn all I got left for team 5 that is built, 2.3 was the best I could do with my options but if you got any suggestions I can mock a bit

[shell hazel]

blanc is p2 as well so vesti should be lethal if you're not in deficit

try this but you need 1148500 cp minimum

[lofty spire]

I'll likely be in a deficit because of the 30ish level gap

[shell hazel]

it may not be fatal but you're on the back foot

check cp with the team I shared

[lofty spire]

don't got laplace built

and spent all my crystals on moran

🙁

[shell hazel]

helmt instead of lapt then

[lofty spire]

this good?

[shell hazel]

I was hoping we could throw in some additional splash damage for blanc killing basically

[ancient sun]

Lvl diff can mess you up

[shell hazel]

cp looks fine, can you try/rec?

[ancient sun]

You can run also run slower blanc comp

[shell hazel]

not sure who will link here, indom usually means you need to check links

and add vigor cube to the one you don't want to get it

could you check who links in this team in a mock battle or shooting range?

[lofty spire]

lost sadly.

[ancient sun]

For example. Vigor on RH and check the link and indom in union range. Lib should get it

[lofty spire]

how do you even like manipulate the indom with jackal?

is it who has higher hp?

[shell hazel]

your link was on sw and helmt you can see it

your vesti was not linked

[shell hazel]

lowest hp gets it that isn't blanc

[lofty spire]

no for this team i mean

[shell hazel]

you put vigor on the ones you don't want to indom

slower indom is likely the best play here then if you can't nuke blanc before they indom

[ancient sun]

Jackal links with two highest atk units so usually attackers. Blanc indoms unit with lowest hp unit at the time of her B2. We can manipulate indom by equipping vigor cube on the unit you don’t want to indom. However it doesn’t guarantee it would happen. You need to test it

[ancient sun]

So basically vigor on RH. Then in union range after Blanc B2 check status and see who got her effect

[lofty spire]

okokok got it

[ancient sun]

Lib shouldn’t have vigor equipped. If just Vigor on RH didn’t work, try to disequip any cube on Liberalio entirely

[lofty spire]

this one right?

[ancient sun]

Okay you got it

Yeah

Should work

[lofty spire]

i'd give you money if i wasn't a brokeas college student right now @ancient sun

worked like you said thanks

[ancient sun]

Did you record a vid by any chance? Wanna see it

[plucky glen]

great

[shell hazel]

it's because their indom runs out before yours does basically

[ancient sun]

Also lib is very good for these types of blanc indoms. She shoots fast and because their indom ends up faster (since they bursted before you), she usually wins. With Vesti for example timing can be trickier

[lunar pawn]

Tried liter grave cindy lib xlud/raven?

[tropic summit]

reach phase 2, s1 bring it to lvl 10

[plucky glen]

is there any sheet ab how each character works, or just look in prydwen

[shell hazel]

raven off burst?

[lunar pawn]

Yea she's good offburst, but I didn't test her vs this boss

[shell hazel]

no parts though

[plucky glen]

the only way to get the syringe is by dispatch right? is there any other way

[tropic summit]

ye dispatch and wait

[shell hazel]

my xlud not that built it winds up being very similar to vesti

[plucky glen]

aight

[shell hazel]

2.2 - 2.3

[tropic summit]

you can convert from other treasure items you don't need if you got any leftovers

[shell hazel]

I got 21B though, I'm gonna take @hollow lagoon down one day

[plucky glen]

i havent treasure anyone, so i have some

[shell hazel]

we retook the low ground

[tropic summit]

realistically the treasured units you need:

mirandaT
laplaceT
privT
moranT
helmT
toveT
drakeT

don't think there's anyone else relevant enough to warrant treasuring

[lunar pawn]

She's mostly there for the debuff anyway

[tidal lichen]

i need a miracle ele line to get to 21b

[tropic summit]

you can almost smell him, so close

[lunar pawn]

How built is your alice

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

very maldy and I wind up doing more with vesti 😄

[lofty spire]

thanks for the idea. will do this alot in the near future

[plucky glen]

im 1 spare body away from moran treas

[shell hazel]

nah this is as far as I go I think, nothing here really helps this cope team do more, so I just accept it. 21B it is

[plucky glen]

btw is there any sheet ab how each character works, or just look in prydwen

[shell hazel]

raven flex is showing less so yep :p

[plucky glen]

i just kinda want to know how to put characters together tho

[shell hazel]

1d 8h left so possibly will keep under 0.7%

[ancient sun]

Check pins. A lot of info. Also keripo made analysis on each character that might be relevant for PvP

[tropic summit]

closet thing you'll get is this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

it isn't fully updated but it has most pvp cores units explained

[gaunt pulsar]

solo raid museum 2, for doing challanges there you get boxes that have Helm syringes

[tropic summit]

@plucky glen

other than that get familiar with these, they're the most common archetypes you'll run in most scenarios

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit ill defeat u one day

[shell hazel]

Rail he has the high ground? can we reinforce the low ground?

[tropic summit]

i think your low ground is more like middleground

mine is underground

[hollow lagoon]

that's the beauty of it, he has the high ground it means i can never win, so the stuggle is eternal, we will never get bored

[shell hazel]

what is rosys?

[hoary hill]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-tease-its-over-high-ground-gif-14651206

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-underestimate-my-power-angry-mad-anakin-gif-16894893

[strong hull]

Mid way

Near downtown

[shell hazel]

now it won't be if rail is underground

[hoary hill]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-anakin-skywalker-obi-wan-obi-wan-kenobi-obi-wan-vs-anakin-gif-13932880852513312571

[strong hull]

Hes nowhere in my basement

No need to be underground when you already there

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/no-noo-nooo-noooo-nooooo-gif-5463928

[hoary hill]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit why use Miranda to do 3.8 when you can not use Miranda and do 6.7

Just put it in ratio and compare it with rapi comp and you can tell all the top players got played

If a top player got 7 on their rapi comp they should be getting 8.5

On a Mihara Brid diesel set up

[wind kelp]

Hmm, what the hekky am i running this time around. Shjotgun+label? Full tank team with poli, tia, moran, centi, cindy? 😄

Bricked centi that is ofcourse, because bunnies don't do reasonable things.

Maybe even Viper(t3), tia, moran(t3), centi(t3), cindy? 1-1-2-2-3

[plucky glen]

is this kind of outdated

[tropic summit]

it doesn't account for SWHA, VestiTU, nayuta and liberalio, rest is on point still

[tropic summit]

near the earth core kind of underground

[lunar pawn]

How do the other teams end up though?

[hollow lagoon]

guuuud

[glad meteor]

Do you really think the top players aren not mathing the best comps to their invest

[tropic summit]

think zant has a point as in some top players have such stacked OLs that they may not necessarely be min/maxing

in @hollow lagoon case he has to min/max a lot to make up for the large gap with earlier day players

[glad meteor]

Just because his miranada mihara sucks doesnt mean theirs does though

[tropic summit]

in fact it's remarkable he can hit such high rank for a relatively young account

[hollow lagoon]

[placid bloom]

pretty sure Zant's Rapi is not really invested so he doesn't get that much from funneling

[tropic summit]

a good chunk of players are just copy-pasting without considering their actual invested units too

[hollow lagoon]

still me 2nd best character

[tropic summit]

"oh this guy got high rank with these units, i'll slap them in too"

[placid bloom]

yeah but your 2nd best doesn't mean it's good invest

[glad meteor]

That’s just how raid works

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

[glad meteor]

Its not hard to at least 4 ele most dps now

[tropic summit]

the actual good players are probably min/maxing though

[hollow lagoon]

kek

[glad meteor]

Most of mine main are

[hollow lagoon]

4 ele

the dream

[placid bloom]

like if we go by ratio, my SBS Lib DKW does like 2.4b to my Rapi's 5.4b so your Rapi is clearly not as invested

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kolow

[hollow lagoon]

ur playing sbs lib wrong then

[placid bloom]

no it's core diff

[hollow lagoon]

btw i replayed that account and i did 2.8 on that comp

this guy is f2p as hell some units dont even got ol

[placid bloom]

I mean my SBS also have no Atk line so that's also issue

[hollow lagoon]

and ol gears some are like 0/0/0/0

[placid bloom]

my gear is +0 too

[hollow lagoon]

[placid bloom]

but like my Rapi is only LB2 to your C6 so the diff should not be 300m if yours was good invest

but you are PvP main so why invest Rapi

[tropic summit]

zant is everything main

[hollow lagoon]

well that account is lb1 rapi and cuz he hate rapi he has a 1 ammo rapi

and like

what 3 ele 2 atk?

[placid bloom]

it's okay, I choose waifu over meta too

[hollow lagoon]

bro

top players are mathing their shit

i raid on 3 accounts

i math 3x more

oh wait this raid i raid on 4 accounts

so 4x

its funny i go in some one's account and i magically get +700m eah

[tropic summit]

top 5 of global are running the exact same teams

[hollow lagoon]

hope people atleast use right cubes on units

[tropic summit]

oh scrap that actually the more i look the more there are, up to top 10 exact same teams

[hollow lagoon]

like god forbid i see a resil on moran

it aint rocket science to slot quantum on moran

[shell hazel]

I don't think quantum on moran really does much tbh

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

her burst gen is so bad, it's just a little less bad if you run quantum

[tropic summit]

ok top 14 onward actually has slight variations

[hollow lagoon]

her burst gen is actually good lel

[tropic summit]

up to top 13 exact same teams

[hollow lagoon]

also helm not full charge burst gen weirds shit

gotta play that to get the most out of that comp

[shell hazel]

I don't think it fundamentally changes all that much tbh

[hollow lagoon]

it does to keep up crit rate buff time

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

deck is typically right for AR burst gen, this barely moves with quantum

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon do you've a comparison with moranT with quantum against moranT without quantum?

a score for both team variants i mean

[hollow lagoon]

i ran both ye

why wouldent i run both

[tropic summit]

what was the gain?

[hollow lagoon]

let me pulll

[tropic summit]

since those make it easier to convince people

if we talking about 0.200 - 0.500B difference it's at least worth considering

[hollow lagoon]

i dont have it anymore too many mocks

[placid bloom]

200m is like a diff of some crit if your damage is high enough already

so it's hard to say

[tropic summit]

ye that's why

[hollow lagoon]

no its sub 100m

[placid bloom]

it would have to be more than that

[tropic summit]

there could be a bias due to RNG but if it's consistent on multiple run then it kinda helps

[tropic summit]

oof hard to tell then

[hollow lagoon]

dosnt matter really

some thing need to explain why my numbers keep going higher every attempt

[tropic summit]

god emperor aura passive

or the more the cultists the more your damage

[hollow lagoon]

nah i got demoted

[arctic jewel]

Has anyone compiled the results of the last PvP season? I'm curious what teams people used

[hollow lagoon]

i'm witch doctor now

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

join @swift mango's discord, you've champs in most seasons

[hollow lagoon]

i dont wanna check ca i kind of dont care any more

[tropic summit]

@arctic jewel

[arctic jewel]

Thank you! 😘

[hollow lagoon]

also i put quantum on tove

and soline

[arctic jewel]

I wonder if we're ever gonna see a cube that reduces burst cooldown xD

[hollow lagoon]

shiet

that would be so meta for front load damage units like cindy

[unique mountain]

[arctic jewel]

Miranda teams and maybe even SG teams with Tove would probably be better too

[unique mountain]

All new peeps trace back to here nowadays

[wind kelp]

Question: do "enter battle" things trigger again on rez?

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

no

effect is triggered upon entering battle, reviving does not refresh that state

[wind kelp]

Coolbeans, just checking in case there was a hidden label+mana combo 😄

[lunar pawn]

Delta

[hollow lagoon]

No Lel it would just push 20 sec cd b1 out completely

[arctic jewel]

👀

I think the cube should remove 40 secs

[hollow lagoon]

Cindy burst slam would be funny af

But what I really want is negetive ammo cube

Would be good on og doro and scarlet for PvP

[arctic jewel]

Ok, now I need that Cindy edit where she's holding a basket ball

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-cinderella-cindy-cindy-nikke-gif-15583070341742929270

[raven plover]

whats that end wtf

[unique mountain]

Yuri

[gentle mason]

It's me again, I looking to improve my pvp team again for sp arena. I Finish building Ada, Noise and almost done with Moran Treasure.

[upper grove]

[strong hull]

Look like a crypto link

[umbral crown]

On ice

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

not really me discord.

[shell hazel]

with ice

[noble hatch]

Very humble sempai. He has won 3 times, currently rank 6th in SEA.

[noble hatch]

What is this? A secret champion arena master class from my sempai??? >_<

[swift mango]

It's just a museum collection of pervious CA champs guys. LD's discord that anyone can join.

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit I’ll defeat you one day

[lusty gull]

[unique mountain]

[unique mountain]

Say section instead of LD

I just noticef palec won with a p3 centi

[glad meteor]

I did luccsacc 4 ele on arcana. , but that’s just me

[gritty ridge]

[ancient sun]

I think this should be pinned and other 4 teams tbh

[upper grove]

my best lucksack on initial OL with ele was 3x so far, but on Rumani

[glad meteor]

[upper grove]

I'm lucky when I even get 2 initial ele OL, most of the time it's 0, sometimes 1

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/stranger-things-stranger-things3-12

[tropic summit]

a discord where you can find most champ winners for each season

if you're in need of copypasta it's a good place

[tropic summit]

only one way to find out

[hollow lagoon]

look at this, if you reference my mihara comp vs rapi comp of my account vs my friend's accounts

i think i get cursed comp +damage multiplier

[tropic summit]

T1: can sub drakeT for a clip RL tier to get it siren resistant on p1 (e.g. any from the following: laplaceT, centi, rumani, trina, they'll both need quantum 7)
T2: gonna want to run 3 carry DPS B3 types to mitigate rosanna (e.g.: jackal vestiTU xmaiden blanc ada)
T3: this team is very flexible, anything can go but once moran is fixed you'll definitely want her B1 in there over rumani/siren

e.g.:

moran siren swha flex noah
moran noah biscuit swha flex

[tropic summit]

@quick lake when/if you got time, if you can add these patterns to the other def teams

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

dark wizardry at work

[hollow lagoon]

i dont even know anymore

i think i'm cursed

[tropic summit]

you've unlocked some hidden passives somewhere beyond your knowledge

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

or maybe you've just found the best combo for the various multipliers

[tropic summit]

how's your holiday goin', it's raining buckets here

[gritty ridge]

Its also raining buckets in Puerto Rico rn

[tropic summit]

oof that's bad luck

[gritty ridge]

Ill be in the virgin Islands tmr

[hollow lagoon]

my current passives are: 2handing, burst spam, range scum, swipper

the hiddin ones idk

honestly some times 2 handing is a nerf

sure u get better damage but like, tis less enjoyable in other ways

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doubt-press-x-3

we've a lot of one handed warriors

you're clearly among them, so remove that one

[hollow lagoon]

[gentle mason]

Okay thanks again. I think I will go with this setup

[tropic summit]

ye keep in mind T1 with 2 clip RL means your CP will go a bit lower, keep drakeT until you can afford running that without dropping CP too harshly
same goes for T2 and T3

[tropic summit]

qauntum on jackal, xmaiden, trina, rumani

tempering on vestiTU, helmT, moran, noah, swha

also ada should've higher HP than vestiTU, so give her vigor if needed

[gentle mason]

okay

[ancient walrus]

I built these two teams using the pinned guide, but now I’m not sure what to do for my third team. Can anyone help? These are the Nikkes I don’t own.
Thanks

[swift mango]

Well, LD is shorter.

[unique mountain]

And section isn't that long

[swift mango]

I'm low effort brain style

[tropic summit]

nayuta 2RL
absolute
glass cannon
stall

keep in mind you don't need 3 clip RL in vestiTU team, p5 can be a flex higher CP non feeding unit

ada/laplaceT/emilia

[tropic summit]

7 letters over 2 letters? nice try, propaganda

[swift mango]

Some guy did lots of dmg on at arcana instead of other teams.

[tropic summit]

looks sus

[swift mango]

Everyone of those top scorer looks sus.

But who knows? He could be more sus than another

[tropic summit]

well we got a clear message from SU already that they don't really seem to care about scoreboards

anyone could be cheating you wouldn't know

https://klipy.com/gifs/tf2engineer-imposter

[ancient walrus]

Thanks

[swift mango]

He just did a little better than everyone else on everything but his Rapi team that was lower than the 3rd guy about 100m.

Maybe he got 120% Ele 60% atk arcana in 10 rocks

[formal quiver]

that sg score looks fine to me

there is another one thats super sus tho

https://i.imgur.com/aNZWy9b.png

like look at that top middle dot lmao

[lunar pawn]

Need to cook copy some new CA teams this season

Last setup didn't get me past top 64

[lone sequoia]

1 extra day for solo raid?

[tropic summit]

ah yes, realistic

get back into datin' business @hollow lagoon @shell hazel

[hollow lagoon]

yep

[undone blaze]

I feel bad attacking the same people everyday in rookie arena

But what else can you do

[tropic summit]

just attack anyone only once, they'll understand

attack someone specifically 3 or more times and they'll take it differently tho

[lone sequoia]

if you don't care about points you can just use R nikkes in your DEF team and trade points, or attack the lowest rank possible to get 7 points per hit (-200 points)

the fake title from viper pass is bugged or a joke(?) if you scroll down a bit you get 2 absolute titles

[versed mesa]

I always use my rookie tickets on the highest scoring player I can beat, just happens to be the same person most times since their score doesn't drop them below anyone else even after multiple hits, no retaliation shenanigans happening though. If they are in the same position as me, they just do the same with their free tickets and leave it at that.

[lone sequoia]

in my case for rookie points i test teams first week or send a team to lose against other people to farm wins against the lower points

only 1 hit per day and no more than 2 days in a row to each acount

[shell hazel]

I run out of people to attack eventually

so I have to hit the same 3-4 people only

[shell hazel]

let's go || AZX || !

[lone sequoia]

we need a dummy to hit in rookie arena, so we can farm pvp currency, but SU don't like that because people will not spend money to beat x player

[versed mesa]

Changed my sp defense team to variants of the ones people been using recently. Held for two attacks so far, I assume he is doing dailies now before solving them. I know he will, but on the plus side, he has to waste his gems to do it

He is really close to 681 though, might dip into boxes if he needs to for the extra cp

[teal tree]

hi can anyone help me with forming a sp arena def team?
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?openid=MjkwODAtMzgxMzUyNjQxMjEwNDI0ODE2Mg==

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmT liter centi (quantum 7 on trina and centi recommended)
• jackal scarlet vestiTU blanc bsoda (quantum 7 on jackal recommended)
• moranT noah siren swha biscuit

Notes:

• if CP is low on T1, replace liter with RRH
• wishlist RH and rapunzel
• build laplace treasure and rosanna on the medium term

[covert lintel]

I only atk the first row so more likely will be the same person

[teal tree]

okok thanks for your help!

[versed mesa]

I assume that the other peeps I share top 3 with have the same mindset as me, hit the highest you can, we are just in this weird space where I don't bother hitting Rank 1, but he hits me, so I hit Rank 3, and then Rank 3 hits Rank 4

[teal tree]

for team 2 is it not better to use rumani for faster burst gen?

o nvm i guess it makes no diff its still a 3rl

[tropic summit]

ye you can, if CP doesn't tank with it

[tropic summit]

nah it would, you're closer to 2RL without feed involved

it drops a bit of early pressure as you'd remove SG but does decrease feed on your side

it's a choice you can make

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

@teal tree

in first case, you only need 4% feed, essentially any enemy team will feed you to 2.2RL (vestiTU is a non natural 2RL)
in second case, you'd need enemy to at least run 1AR, if they run absolutely no feed team, you likely won't be 2RL but 2.5RL, this could lower your team efficiency, but you've increased early pressure and more CP

keep in mind that having 3 B3s will mitigate rosanna aswell

hence i'd suggest the latter over the 2

also put your second linked unit in p5 and your main indom in p2, main indom should've lowest HP in the link

if scarlet is present, she will nearly always be your indom, due to self-damage

[teal tree]

oic but i think the current ppl in my special arena dont run rosanna cos it takes up too much resources i suppose

but i shall take your advice and run the second team

[tropic summit]

ye that's likely, you can run either forms then

[teal tree]

been struggling to try to maintain in challenger since different people keep hitting me down :/

[tropic summit]

challenger ranks are like that, especially if close in CP/synchro

the game favours attacking over defending

[teal tree]

icic thanks for your input will test your teams out!

oh and i do have rh i just didnt invest into her cos she came too late

is it wise for me to invest in her now?

[tropic summit]

RH has a few usages in CA and SP arena still, i don't think it would be a waste

she's used for CP deficit attacks too

combos well still with scarlet, liberalio, SWHA, VestiTU, nayuta

[teal tree]

i see i guess ill throw a few rocks at her then

who will she replace in this case?

[tropic summit]

liter or RRH in T1 for sure

she's a no feed B1 and better B1 % than RRH and liter can offer

[arctic jewel]

Red Hood's B1 is great in PvP

[teal tree]

icic thanks for the advice!

[arctic jewel]

You need to position Red Hood in a way that she will most likely only use B1

unless there's a tech that I'm not aware of?

[versed mesa]

I wonder what my main rivals are cooking They have both been online after reset, but only one has bothered trying to attack me for C1 that I sniped at the end of last season.

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit Is Critical Rate OK for Liberalio?

rerolled a few times

[tropic summit]

i'm not a crit rate believer so don't ask me

too inconsistent unless it's on DPS units

@swift mango miranda wouldn't work on liberalio cuz unlike emilia she'd burn the crit with autos right?

[versed mesa]

The fact that you got atk and ele in just a "few times" vexes me greatly

I can roll 10 times in a row and only get hit rate on line 1

[arctic jewel]

don't worry, the rest of the stats are a travesty

I also feel like I deserve better luck with my rerolls due to how bad they usually are

(and I want to make my wife have the highest CP some beautiful day)

[versed mesa]

I get a god roll maybe once every 3 months on a single piece of gear and then everything between is just frustration maximus

[arctic jewel]

I could go on and on about how garbo the OL system is

at least the pull system is great

(Hoyo pulls... shiver...)

[tropic summit]

out of the two poison maybe, just don't get used to it, both are unhealthy systems aimed to milk the gamer

[versed mesa]

I think these kind of systems is the main reason I don't actually like gacha games, Nikke is the only exception for the other good stuff like the banger ost and character art.

[arctic jewel]

this can be said to all gacha games tbh

[tropic summit]

absolutely

[arctic jewel]

let's not forget how insanely hard the lore and the story goes

and I have played games like Metal Gear Solid and Uncharted

[tropic summit]

good shiet

[versed mesa]

I really liked the story in the early parts, but it has gotten a bit convoluted for my tastes at times.

[tropic summit]

gacha is limiting writers here, a normal story and they wouldn't have to adapt it to the gacha type of presentation

[arctic jewel]

Shift Up should make Solid Snake banner possible

[tropic summit]

unlikely, they kinda want only female cast

you could get The Boss or Quiet perhaps tho

[arctic jewel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ixWybGQnPHQ?is=J1GX_jRas7kiel2J

[versed mesa]

I did enjoy Stellar Blade immensely though, still need to get all achis in it at some point. It's good to know that Shift Up can do well with non-gacha games too

[arctic jewel]

it's the same for me

[green breach]

what treasure level should moran be for pvp?

lvl 1 enough?

[arctic jewel]

max

[green breach]

who is the best b1 to use after her, siren?

for this team, not that it matters too much

[lunar pawn]

what are you trying to cook

[green breach]

im looking at the pinned comments

and copying it

[arctic jewel]

I would rather do something like Jackal/Siren/HelmT/SWHA/Noah, unless someone else has a better idea

but this is an attack team, it really depends on what team you're trying to counter

[lunar pawn]

positioning matters

your team will get destroyed by drake+tvesti

[jagged current]

Hi, guys. Is it too risky to go for it? My CP is lower, sure, but I feel my attack units MAY have a slighter advantage if compared to the opponent's. Or am I tripping?

[tropic summit]

you're in deficit, you need 212k minimun
always multiply enemy team CP for 0.846 before attempting and ensure your team is above that value

your p1 and p5 will melt to SG and autos pre burst, your team is also a bit on the slower side

[jagged current]

Yes, I remember you taught me this 2 days ago. Just wanted to be sure... 🙂

[tropic summit]

team ordering here is a bit iffy, but the team could potentially function as long as you expecting siren to die and noah to reach B2