pvp-arena

[wind kelp]

I think i'm just gonna see if i get Arcana "cheap", then build her for the hell of it for a spaghetti shotgun team 😄

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit mihara broke my no 4 ele curse

[worn ivy]

update my def team?>
also yes I bricked centi and got treasure lmao

i have every unit beside xmas anne and rupee

[wind kelp]

Welcome to the T3C club 😄

[swift mango]

without OL, arcana has infinity ammo during burst while other had to reload. Ofc she deal more dmg.

[tulip quest]

that's actually OLed arcana with 2 atk

[wind kelp]

Jackal, biscuit, Libby, Crow, Mana. rubs chin Now that is interesting. Not because it's good, but because of the "flex" 😄

Ooh no, Viper ofcourse. Jackal, viper, Libby, Biscuit, Crow. There we go.

[worn ivy]

ClipRL (2RL) who is clip

[wind kelp]

Ah no, i should throw in E.H too, just for the lore. Hm, yeah, abandon ship!

[lunar pawn]

so arcana not clip sg?

[swift mango]

[onyx scaffold]

i betray pvp

i changed my 4 atk 1 ele drake to 4 ele 1 atk

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jail-right-to-jail

the pvp awakening is around the corner

[lost ether]

drake still gud outside CA?

[humble tiger]

Can have new team?

[onyx scaffold]

wdym
drake is only good in SR

CA tryharders bench Drake already

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta helmt lib rh bsoda
• jackal privT vestiTU anchorIM drakeT
• crown cindy swha bay rrh

Notes

• build centi and trina to be usable and you can finally start fixing speed for a bit of CP loss, until then better run slower teams but high on CP

[lost ether]

i was asking to cope with my drake cuz i got 4 ele 4 atk on her for sp

[raven plover]

for sp

[tropic summit]

statistically it was bound to happen... just curious it happened so late

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

post box with nikke ordered by strength or blablalink set to public

[lost ether]

way back when t drake came out

[humble tiger]

Cooked.

[raven plover]

thought you gonna say for sr

[covert lintel]

Is the new arcana clip sg?

[worn ivy]

@tropic summit

[lost ether]

nope, she does long reload and then wink at u

[raven plover]

safe to skip

I pull anyway cus sexo

[lost ether]

teating new comp for sp, 2 successful def so far

[raven plover]

damn lv15 quantum

[lost ether]

working on that temp cube rn, at lvl 10

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmt rh laplaceT
• jackal privT vestiTU blanc emilia
• moran noah biscuit swha drakeT

[worn ivy]

god bless and thank you

[humble tiger]

@tropic summit T2 too weak.

I forgot to mention DrakeT doesn't have full OL yet.

I should probably fix that.

[tropic summit]

flex with any other similar burst gen unit

or swap around lib with drakeT

the core part of that team is keeping jackal privT and anchorIM, possibly on 2.5RL

other 2 units are flexable but i'd keep vestiTU for early pressure at least

[humble tiger]

262K

[tropic summit]

you can always kill speed for extra CP

[tropic summit]

lacking in B2 for that other team

let's kill speed afterall

[tropic summit]

should be way higher in CP and you retain 3RL promotable to 2.5RL via vestiTU CS on 5%+ and a at least 1 AR on enemy side

[humble tiger]

What Ada?

[tropic summit]

was someone else box it seems, if you got no better units for flex then put crown

still retain same speed anyhow

as you lack other well invested B2 you'll have to play around CP with those you've already

you know your box best so mess around with those and retain speed on at least 3RL

[humble tiger]

291K
289K
276K

[tropic summit]

looks good, similar range

build your utilities up and you can balance speed x CP better

[covert lintel]

got pranked by SU
I thought the new event was full voiced

[tropic summit]

they expect the average nikke player to actually read

goes to show how little they know the statistics of people who regularly skip most if not all the text in those events

[humble tiger]

Soon. Still have many units to build around. I can maybe squeeze 1-2 OLs on my PvP units every week.

[swift mango]

Out of voting time have u voted yet?

[swift mango]

Nah, They expect YOU to read

[unique wagon]

Where is this from

[unique wagon]

Retro is fully retired.

Anyhow, fixed Noir to A.

[swift mango]

Darn he really quitted game. I would guess he got offered a full time job with high salary and without much free time then. Or he just got himself a kid.

[unique wagon]

Those are wild assumptions

[swift mango]

need to be optimistic

And He finally able to get to CA with his Arena account too.

[hollow lagoon]

my union server

[unique wagon]

Must be

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

@fathom rock you missed out on Nikke first event with an animated intro.

[torn obsidian]

oh replays are gone

[swift mango]

I would vote for He**ai

Ngl

He**ai

He**ai

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango we finally meet

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cant-wait-impatient-anxious-eagerly-gif-16498763039499928961

[oak smelt]

Did they broke replay with the update?

[swift mango]

⚔️ Let fight 🤺 🤺

[worldly osprey]

in the lower bracket finals

[swift mango]

Always has been

[worldly osprey]

[swift mango]

[worldly osprey]

like i said, all 4 of my teams are hard countered. not really surprising

[swift mango]

It's because you aren't trusting the process

[worldly osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/water-balloon-cry-boy-child-fear-gif-1113690819906746562

[swift mango]

[karmic smelt]

I don’t understand this game no more

Every time I’m sure I’m gonna win I lose and when I’m gonna lose I win

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit mmmm arcana alt bond story

[swift mango]

I could win this if it wasn't for his research gap.

The other 2 lose are hard countered so couldn't be helped.

[torn obsidian]

why though it was clear i was gonna win

[shell hazel]

[torn obsidian]

i don't even know why the cheers were voted in your favor

confused

[karmic smelt]

I’m supposed to win 1 and 4 as well

Like how are you supposed to win that

[torn obsidian]

how does moran mirror with a liberalio win against a snow white

liberalio does 0 damage outside of the burst

[karmic smelt]

I one shot you got no chance

Your bay does nothing

What should happen is your sw die after my lib but apparently no

And team 4 I just don’t know how my Blanc didn’t beat your nayuta team maybe was too slow

[torn obsidian]

yeah just a bit too slow

[quartz vortex]

can treasure laplace kill treasure moran before burst?

[tulip quest]

@swift mango

MY PREDICTION WAS right or it was supposed to be this MORAN IS INSANE

7%

[stuck pike]

If both teams are using b2 Bay, Liberalio still hits the other team with burst because of the way it works. You need Noah to survive unless damage reduction is stacked high enough and/or investment diff.

[tulip quest]

No regrets tho

[lunar pawn]

yess

final fight is keripo vs kite

@spiral onyx pls win I need the unlucky frame

brother wdym unable to play, it happened 30min ago

[swift mango]

Don't you hate it when I guy with meh teams keep beating you because right order and playtime research gap?

[tulip quest]

Story of my life Except I meet winners n top 64 always

[tulip quest]

also his comp decent not really great but not that bad either

but that Moran winning 7% hp aaaaaaaa brooooo Nikke

[tulip quest]

how much element ur LapT?

I just think It really came down to LapT's element %

[onyx scaffold]

just dont get hard counter''ed again
problem solved

[lone sequoia]

update day, you can't watch what happen, that is how i will never be able to see how i lost my top4run

[swift mango]

Even soft countered became hard counter when I fight him. He probably win the next guy thanks to research gap too. SG Nayuta vs his yank Rosa Cindy.

[tulip quest]

bro

how much element damage is your lapT?

[swift mango]

40%. I should kill his Trina probably. But hit Moran just solo

[tulip quest]

hmmm yea I think it's Element damage this time reason for loss, Investment check

[swift mango]

Idk my LapT would hit 3-4 times and 1-2 times with RH buff before his Moran even burst normally it's a kill. But if it's not then it just research gap.

I even kill off Ele p2 easily before

Nayuta also burst before his Moran.

Helm as well

[tulip quest]

Mihara dot n Moran surviving was the problem

[swift mango]

Yeah, That's why I said research gap. I guess I should get one More Ammo or ele for lapT

[tulip quest]

80% ele is always normal Ideal

she's useful also for Iron Raids

mine is 90%

[swift mango]

Talk about some rich kid. I have like 4 units at 80% Ele

Didn't I said my luck suck?

[swift mango]

And his Moran has 5 second immunity as well after Nayuta cut her.

[tulip quest]

Nah some guy got 100% Ele on Arcana Fire alt with only 49 rocks + 22ATK

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-smg4skill-issue-skill-issue-smg4mario-smg4skill-gif-26104493

[swift mango]

Do you want me to doro bomb your ass or sth?

[tulip quest]

That's actually insane even on Insane standards

[swift mango]

Need more ammo so I don't reload when Moran immunity ended. I used to have a black ammo but traded it for ATK

That's the reason I lost

Moran 5s immunity end and LapT reload and I lose

Same this for RH she also only have 9 ammo so she also reload

[versed mesa]

Still updating, but really curious to see the damage I sniped C2, but the C3 sniped me right before server went down. Really curious if main rival hit him or me. Also I wonder if main rival won his CA match or not.

[tulip quest]

yea don't bother fixing Laplace

we got like .5 anniv coming in 1 month exactly 30days

I'm skipping arcana right now

my Gems in the Red

I'm gonna be screwed if I pull too much cause I only have 200 golden tickets with what I have

I would even bet double banner .5 anniv

[lone sequoia]

neon/anis, who will be the dps or buffer this time?

[versed mesa]

I am just holding too, I don't really like Arcana anyway, and not limited so I can wait for collection.

[tulip quest]

I wanna pull cause she's fire Meta but really tight on gems

too poor to pull

[swift mango]

Nah, they both have 10 ammo so I will just equip them with Bastion next CA.

[lone sequoia]

10~13 ammo range is not good in or against indom, and for normal sub-dps just get more damage

[swift mango]

13 ammo is exactly at the end of 2rl indom

[lone sequoia]

cs check, you will reload before blanc burst end

[swift mango]

Nah

[high stream]

CenTi still not fixed?

[tulip quest]

not really priority fix cause she's pvp

[lone sequoia]

fixed? do you think SU want a different thing for her treasure?

[high stream]

You'd think that makes her highest priority

[lone sequoia]

they can give her a "fix" just like noise/rapu and the max hp buff

or cindy "burst fix"

[high stream]

Uh .. 2 patchnotes ago, it mentioned that there is a bug with Centi's skill that requires fixing, as she isn't currently function as she's supposed to. So I was wondering, if CenTi would then be good at max treasure in PvP

Maybe that bug causes the issues in pvp

[lone sequoia]

they talked about wording, her kit is bad but the skill explanation was different to how they work

[high stream]

Oh

Welp, I was misinformed I guess

[lone sequoia]

centi treasure is really bad, we don't know if they will change it

or they wanted to give a bad treasure to reduce her value and sell you a new burst gen unit that is a bit better than cent

[high stream]

We could come together here in pvp chat and write a bunch of direct feedback reports complaining that right now, as competing "top pvp players", we are forced not max treasure Centi, which is really absurd and tragic. I'm sure if enough do it, we could accomplish something. Just like with the CN stuff.

[lone sequoia]

they don't like pvp, they said it like 2 years ago

all the resources should go to pve and events...

[high stream]

But isnt that where most of their whales are?

[lone sequoia]

then we got surface mode delayed for 6+months and they scrapped it

[high stream]

and even if they said so .. im playing now since almost 11 months .. and the meta shift in pvp in that time was .. INSANE.

[lone sequoia]

whale buy things, it doesn't matter the mode, whales gonna whale and solo raid or UR are more "competitive" as SU like

[high stream]

Hm

I see

[lone sequoia]

they dropped pvp after rosanna banner

and real competitive modes after the macro ban, all that from the things they said

like actual gameplay depending on people macros were same or 3% more dmg, compared to the pc and mobile 10~25% dmg diff

[high stream]

Kinda crazy .. I find SR to be insanely boring content. I've played DC back in the day .. and the raids in there were always the most exciting content. You could build teams with 20 characters .. allowed for insane synergies, etc. The rewards were crazy .. allowing you to max dupe a character if u got into the top 100 .. and raid seasons released with 2 new characters and one free one that u could get through the raids

Compared to DC honestly .. Raids in Nikke are insanely boring

And the rewards are pathetic

[lone sequoia]

top 100 ranker in DC, same sh-t as always i just pull for limited units and play for team building, something that only pvp still have... not a lot after cindy burst bug/fix or lib dmg

[high stream]

Like .. not doing SR at all gives you 800 gems .. and competing for top 1% gives you 1200 more .. every 6 weeks or so. Its super super uninteresting

And if u can compete high enough to get top 100 rewards, or even top 10

u dont give a sh*t about the rewards.

[lone sequoia]

here they try to reduce the rewards average players can get, just to avoid the state DC went for how f2p friendly it was, the in-game items or the shop have the same low value compared to DC, the problem is that there you could get more gems from doing less

[tulip quest]

can I ask btw wats DC?

[lone sequoia]

destiny child, old game from same developer

[tulip quest]

They actually gonna bring it back

[lone sequoia]

not really... different publisher or developer, doesn't look like a reboot or continuation

[tulip quest]

hmmm sad

[lone sequoia]

and i'm not sure what is the witch game about

i'm still waiting for "bari" skin in this game

[swift mango]

Nah Ammo doesn't really matter vs indom in that team, they either wipe me or lose to me because life steal and share dmg. Moran+biscuit+Reseach level is the problem.

[lone sequoia]

i don't know what team is, talked about the ammo because team building/OL

[solid flare]

Could i ask for a cook pls?
SA Defense.

[oak smelt]

Oh, that's entirely by design lol.
The rewards falls off the cliff pretty quick, basically the amount you need to compete at that level will outweigh whatever rewards you are getting back.

Think about it, the top ranker in SR only gets 2 multis (20 pulls, worth around 0.8 SSR unit) and everyone else beneath gets less than that.

[solid flare]

this is what i have right now.

[high stream]

yeah, obviously. Just really sucks in comparisn to DC .. so many things in DC were honestly just vastly better and should have been brought back.

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Like no one indom LapT ever and if they do ammo doesn't matter.

[lone sequoia]

+20 ammo next time to be sure

[swift mango]

Let's hope this right guy's actual meta teams beat the left guy in the SG mirror.

[terse heron]

Is his slow cindy team beating Noise Noah Emilia Ada team?

[swift mango]

Probably yes.

Depending on both team CS though.

Lemme put CS in Nikke top to check

Rumani just needs to burst before Emi landed for him to win

The other 2 already bsicuited

So CS is the key

[swift mango]

Supposed both guys has 15% average CS, yes. Slow Cindy would win

[quartz vortex]

any suggestion on whos prio to ol for pvp only units?

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/blinding-light-jerry-smith-rick-and-morty-too-bright-adult-swim-gif-9951096662630262377

[terse heron]

Emilia's team is going to gen burst fast, right? Because of Cindy P2.
hmm...... Also, Emilia team has Noise and Noah SR15 max core. Puppad's research level is pretty thick too.
I'm going to stop thinking and trust you.

[swift mango]

Research level doesn't matter when biscuit just make the other team immortal and Cindy wipe hit with no protection.

His Emi couldn't even kill my Blanc

[swift mango]

The problem is the SG fight. His jank SG could win thanks to research level alone.

That makes him win 3-2 regardless

[oak smelt]

Did they fix this interaction between Lib's nuke and Bay's cover?

[swift mango]

No

[oak smelt]

That is so odd man

[torn obsidian]

[brazen ledge]

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1484226993640706138

[oak smelt]

Only Lib's have this weird bypass thru Bay's shield (if she survives when the nuke lands) or are there others?

[swift mango]

It's a feature

[swift mango]

Only Libby do Additional dmg nuke without other kind of dmg in her nuke so yeah.

[oak smelt]

[oak smelt]

So even though it is one hit, the "additional" wording here makes it ignores Bay's cover?
But why does the Bay cover works if Lib dies before the nuke lands?

[gritty ridge]

Because she has no buffs

Lib does too much dmg for bay to catch normally

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

[gritty ridge]

Its true

[glass lodge]

can someone help me beat this guy, i dont have ada and vesti

[swift mango]

It's not, somehow, additional dmg from Libby just kill all cover and nikke at same time rather than just nikke.

[gritty ridge]

Then why does biscuit bay work

[oak smelt]

Cause biscuit makes Bay immune to all damage so the interaction becomes Bay blocks 90% of the damage if cover exist then remaing 10% gets rebased to 100% then 15% to each remaining unit

The presense of biscuit makes it way different

[placid bloom]

it only works because Bay lives

cuz the damage share is not equal

[swift mango]

Well, Libby doesn't kill cover my bad. But biscuit Bay+Moran works thanks to Bay+Moran+Biscuit reduce the dmg to other units by 80-90%

Cover doesn't matter

[placid bloom]

if Bay dies then everyone else takes the full damage

[tidal lichen]

send box

[gritty ridge]

So basically, she do too much dmg and if she did much less then bay would live

[lone sequoia]

work only when you proc biscuit before lib nuke

bay have different interactions with lib and emi, like, only bay die- the team die or your units tank

[oak smelt]

I am more interested with the interaction of Lib's nuke with Bay's cover without the presense of Biscuit

With Biscuit it changes cuz Bay's becomes immune and cover does not matter

[glass lodge]

wdym

[tidal lichen]

your units

[placid bloom]

without Biscuit it depend on enemy Lib invest and your Moran + Bay invest, if you have enough dmg reduc and your opponent have 0 buff then you can still tank the hit

[glass lodge]

here

[oak smelt]

I am referring to this situation though posted by recording railracerv2 a while back
#pvp-arena message

Slight change in unit but basically the only difference between the 2 is Bay successfully blocking Lib if Lib dies before nuke lands and the other is Lib manages nuke Bay and team if Lib survives when the nuke lands.

[lone sequoia]

lib buff diff (?)

[placid bloom]

well yeah dead Lib also lose her 160% Atk buff

[lone sequoia]

the last time i asked about lib is that she lose the dmg after she die

[placid bloom]

on top of losing all team buff

so it's even worse than 0 buff Lib that survive

that one is not 0 buff anyway, she have Nayuta buff and HelmT FB buff

[dim escarp]

is new arcana good in pvp ? haven't test

[placid bloom]

real 0 buff Lib is those Moran Noah Lib team before Moran got favorite item

[lone sequoia]

do you have her?

[dim escarp]

ya

[lone sequoia]

then you can test later

[dim escarp]

will prob not build until last day SR so

that's why I ask xD

[lone sequoia]

not limited or pilgrim= no reason to pull

if she is clip SG* , she will have uses in pvp

[dim escarp]

dw for me lol

[lone sequoia]

not clip SG*, only for fire pressure against p1 (atk)

[unique wagon]

Feels meh.

[dim escarp]

alr tyty

[versed mesa]

My main SP rival lost his top 4 match in CA. If he is so determined to keep me out from top 3 rewards he should atleast win CA even once

[tidal lichen]

jack swha xmaiden blanc siren
nayuta helm lapt centi rh
noah bisc sbs lib moran

check if these are in range, nayuta shouldnt have more atk than attackers

[lunar pawn]

thoughts? bottom is the attacker

[tropic summit]

they're in for bad news then

[tropic summit]

thank you good ser, may le legend rest in peace

[tropic summit]

do we get laid

[swift mango]

My bad, Emi team should be 2rl not 2.5rl, I forgot to put quantum. That would make Emi and Rumani very close in bursting. So I won't be sure Slow Cindy's rumani would be able to burst. Sorry.

[warm monolith]

Too ez @tropic summit ()

I cant believe this rng

[unique wagon]

Yes, pls support me in the future with ur wisdom.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nikke-doro-doro-nikke-2

[warm monolith]

Im the new pvp master (can i even win again with the same team lol)

[tropic summit]

as rosy would say

[terse heron]

https://giphy.com/gifs/confused-fatcat-black-and-white-cat-zDfdPBJBVQ2P2Vt7HU

So is right still wining the overall match???? Voting is so hard.....

[warm monolith]

Btw someone beat me in my 6th positon but ill be lvl 501 soon so it wont be a problem right?

[tropic summit]

look at your def, put yourself in your attacker shoes, is your def difficult? is he gapped if he uses the CP of his current def?

you've the experience to tell on your own

[warm monolith]

Btw it took you two days and you couldnt came up with the teams to defeat this, while i did it randomly, :D jk

[warm monolith]

Oke, my teams are fine thanks to you

All of em are at least a million cp as of rn too

Also rail whats your lvl?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/its-over-9000-its

[warm monolith]

Fr tho

[tropic summit]

550

[warm monolith]

Are you stacked in core dusts?

Or spent all

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hp-harry-potter-OmW

[warm monolith]

Holy damn

How much core dust is required in 1 lvl up on you, im currently 499 and it requires 13k

[warm monolith]

Rail stacked up

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/stonks-up-stongs-1

[shell hazel]

cheater!

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/james-doakes-doakes

[unique wagon]

@tropic summit help

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

[unique wagon]

IDK HOW TO WIN PVP ANYMORE

[gritty ridge]

Lmao

[tropic summit]

you use paper when you face rock

use scissor when you face paper

and when you face a whale, you press "ok next"

[hollow lagoon]

yeah lol

and not even the last bond story

[tropic summit]

ez pz harem protag, gonna get em all

[gritty ridge]

Rail im ending the season in 3rd

[hollow lagoon]

dis one is a good one

[gritty ridge]

The bready is ready

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/chihuahua-stare-at

[tropic summit]

time to change the meta in your bracket, win champ and everyone gonna use bready next season

[gritty ridge]

It would be peak

Its also be funny if I come back and I lost in groups

[swift mango]

I think left has higher chance even if slow Cindy won.

But I still vote right anyway

[tropic summit]

well it's not gonna be up to you if you win

it's up to RNG and team ordering, assuming opponent isn't running meme teams

[gritty ridge]

Bready counters every team

[swift mango]

FR?

[gritty ridge]

100%

If I mirror i still win

[swift mango]

Even Moran biscuit?

[gritty ridge]

1000%

[tropic summit]

9999%

[hollow lagoon]

arcana bond story is

in my opnion

very nice

[quartz vortex]

what kind of comp can i put moran in?

stall?

[tropic summit]

in a lot of comps actually

since she can be used as a spare B1 buffer she's useful in all sort of things

although her BiS is stall teams, typically with noah or bay

[quartz vortex]

since shes ar unit burst gen doesnt exist for her so i wasnt sure

[gritty ridge]

You can use her in alot

I like her to die to vesti

[spiral onyx]

Broken replays made today's video become a short -_-
https://youtube.com/shorts/bEgRZvfBdes?si=YSno79iFXChni1CL

[tropic summit]

well you definitely not using her for burst gen

you using her to give your team a resistant unit in p1 or p5, a buffer, nuke resistance and a stall enabler

[gritty ridge]

A b1 that'll survive long enough to burst and get indom on vesti

Cuz she buffs her max hp mega

[quartz vortex]

which skill is prio to max first?

[tropic summit]

go with 4/4/4 into 4/7/7 into 7/10/10

eventually just 10/10/10 SR15 tempering 40% def her

the more the cores the more she gets further stronger

[swift mango]

-99999%

[tropic summit]

[quartz vortex]

youd lvl up her boots too right since shes tank?

[tropic summit]

as i said before you'd need to max her either way

go with the suggested gradual build above

[haughty stirrup]

Now that I have cindy, who should I replace?

[arctic jewel]

huh???

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/magnus-carlsen-4

[arctic jewel]

the guy wants to use EVERYTHING

[tropic summit]

she needs to be built before you consider replacing anyone, let alone your teams are already on the slower side as is

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit I assume I just use slower indom on this?

[tropic summit]

it's 2RL SWHA

since they're bursting with blanc they've no anti nuke, any 3RL or slower cindy will win the trade off

slower indom or rosanna will also do since it's a jackal B1

lastly vestiTU will probably push them to misindom on biscuit

unless it's a linked blanc then high chance they misindom on jackal

that team is a complete mess i think he's just trolling

[arctic jewel]

it's the guy who's unable to take an L, I highly doubt he's trolling, I think he just doesn't know what he's doing and he's getting desperate

[arctic jewel]

I'm just baffled what I'm looking at. I had a strong feeling that there would be more counters, I assumed that slower indom was the safest option, but considering how many options you wrote, it probably didn't matter

at least I've learned something and knew what I'm going for

[gritty ridge]

2rl snow is pretty easy to counter

I usually just use rosa tho tbh

[arctic jewel]

maybe I should create a Rosa Def team...

[tropic summit]

ye takes care of the threat before it even begins

bane of water codes

[arctic jewel]

time for him to pull a copy of Label

[tropic summit]

keep in mind you still need rosa to retain her cloak unless she's heavy on ele atk%, so you'll need a rosa jackal

i get the feeling i'm gonna see this choice a lot of times

[lone sequoia]

the correct option is skip

[tropic summit]

if i ever read this whole wall of text is gonna be on the last few days and if i'm in the mood, noway i'm reading this after being tired out of a work day

[arctic jewel]

my Rosa has ~30% Atk and ~30% Ele

[tropic summit]

with jackal you're lethal

[lone sequoia]

not good enough to read doing dailies

[tropic summit]

nayuta helmt swha ros jackal (assumes rosanna is linked, other unit doesn't matter)

[tropic summit]

we've actual VNs to read if we actually wanted to anyway

[lone sequoia]

i hope SU bring back laplace board mini game

i need more consoles

[tropic summit]

or just bring back actual fun events

[arctic jewel]

thanks as always 😘

I'll go to Shooting Range and see if she's linked

[shell hazel]

as a good fellow shooting range main should

[tropic summit]

ofc

[shell hazel]

I will just live here now screw going to work tomorrow

[lone sequoia]

the worst thing about this event is that last 3 weeks...

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/osaco-1

[arctic jewel]

I should leave this chat until I've done my 5 attempts of the event

bye!

[tropic summit]

skippable event for 3 weeks = less time to waste on it

[shell hazel]

I think it branches anyway

[lone sequoia]

i will read it after part 2, no reason to waste time now and wait to finish it

[tropic summit]

hard to be spoiled as we already know both girls gonna be flirting non-stop with SKK, predictable af

[arctic jewel]

fair

[shell hazel]

I think I'm behind on battle data a bit

[lone sequoia]

just a bit

[tropic summit]

the game is telling you to chill or become 2nd zant

[shell hazel]

now if they both started flirting with eachother that would really be a twist

[lone sequoia]

no boxes?

[tropic summit]

agreed, unleash the scissors

[shell hazel]

I summon you! @umbral belfry !

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-ash-ketchum-pokeball-pokeballs-gif-5634823

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[lone sequoia]

@umbral belfry +1

[tropic summit]

@umbral belfry +2

[lone sequoia]

@shell hazel +1

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

+1 +1 more

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel 1 day left to freedom

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit tell me about it lmao

[tropic summit]

the weekend approaches

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/friday-tgif-gif-5451448

[tropic summit]

and i got deadlines to clear tomorrow so i can ditch everyone for a week of vacation

[shell hazel]

i'm off work for a week as well after tomorrow lol

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-handshake-3

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nichijou-yukko-yuuko-aioi-mio-mio-naganohara-gif-1414290421647555478

[shell hazel]

not enough to sync more but I have enough cd not opened here to maybe get another level so behind on bd a bit

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit almost forgot, does Nayuta care about Siren?

[tropic summit]

nayuta can be stunned just like anyone else

[lone sequoia]

126k dust or boxes?

[shell hazel]

nah it's not using all my cd crates and I'm above credits by a lot, so it's bd I lack

[arctic jewel]

hmmm, maybe the team should be slightly changed?

[tropic summit]

which team and against who?

just need quantum 7 on your clip RLs

[lone sequoia]

new chapters in 1 month, time to wait

[arctic jewel]

Rosanna Def team

[lone sequoia]

rosanna DEF team?

[shell hazel]

yep that is the plan, gotta be efficient

[lone sequoia]

probably something like 2RL indom swha+rosanna b1

[tropic summit]

1 month and i can slaughter zizx maybe

[shell hazel]

[lone sequoia]

i know you will beat her 1~3 days before the update

[tropic summit]

before? after

[lone sequoia]

before

[tropic summit]

ehhhh noway

[lone sequoia]

what is your sync?

[tropic summit]

550

the idea is to wait next chapters, open till 581, attempt, if not enough open till clear

kara struggling still at 581 is a bad sign

cuz he has more pve invest than i do so i definitely doubt i can clear

[arctic jewel]

@lone sequoia I mean using this team for defense, or are there better options?

[tropic summit]

don't assume opponent is gonna run the same team as their defense team tho

he can't be THAT stupid

[arctic jewel]

.... ehmmm.... I'm kinda starting to suspect that... honestly

ech, whatever, not changing anything

[lone sequoia]

you better don't ask me about DEF teams, i have problems because i don't know how good some teams are because i always find many counters

[arctic jewel]

oki

[lunar pawn]

everyone cross your fingers for my unlucky frame

[lone sequoia]

well... it should be fine if the guy don't know how to stall

[shell hazel]

accidentally got all right so far

[lone sequoia]

free credits

[shell hazel]

hell yeah

[lone sequoia]

i got my imaginary 2nd loser frame losing all the cheers

now wait for keripo match

[warm monolith]

Which 3 ol lines give the most cp? One is def for sure but what are the other two?

[lone sequoia]

ele dmg+high tier... depending on class probably

probably atk/ele/DEF

not sure about crit stats

[warm monolith]

If the nikke is defense then

[covert lintel]

Now she can bait any highest atk skill from opponent

[shell hazel]

as I understand it only ele gives extra cp

rest are same value/phase

[lone sequoia]

if you need the cp boost you go for ele, but some units want 1~2 specific effects

[warm monolith]

What i want to know for is, i wanna create the highest cp'ed Bay i mean, if all the highest cp giving lines are full and black i will have the best Bay, right?

[shell hazel]

and -1000 rocks

or more :9

[warm monolith]

Would worth it.

[lone sequoia]

12 black lines with 4 ele

[swift mango]

[warm monolith]

Around some couple thousands and couple of months of grinding...

[tropic summit]

[lone sequoia]

but just aim for a good bay with 4DEF/cs 3ammo and 1 ele

[warm monolith]

I need to think about all of 12 lines

I dont need the 'good Bay' i need the best

[lone sequoia]

my helmt ate 400 rocks and looks average, other people have better helmt than me with less than 50 rocks

[swift mango]

def doesn't help Bay much unless she is the one taking the atk, it's not important at all

[lone sequoia]

is all about luck

[gaunt pulsar]

highest cp bay is 4 ele black lines + 8 any black, but it's hardly "the best"

[lone sequoia]

filler stat, just to help for team stats

i use bay p5 in most of my teams and probably slower comps where she get hit, before the shared dmg

[warm monolith]

I know but isnt base def gives more cp than base atk for example

Wait lemme check mine

[tropic summit]

he's on a mission to build the thiccest bay, don't judge

[lone sequoia]

just wait for SU to add hp increase in OL

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

do judge

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nikke-doro

[gaunt pulsar]

no, all OL lines converted to multiplier that applied to char stats to determine end value CP, and only Ele lines have higher multi than other lines

[warm monolith]

My man understands me

[warm monolith]

Oh, great then, its way easier :D

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/dorothy-doro-nikke-goddess-of-victory-musan-pro-musanpro-gif-7014004213529479522

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/doro-2

[warm monolith]

Before any of you says that my build is ass, i only rerolled one piece once

Also i care about cp more than lines

[lone sequoia]

need more cs

[warm monolith]

I consider rerolling all the stats but first i need to stock up on rocks, which i cant rn cuz i promised rail to build my noise

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

I just wanted ammo for Laplace. 😭

[tropic summit]

where's your 38%CS emilia

[swift mango]

Need to fix Laplace first.

[tropic summit]

[lone sequoia]

gz

[swift mango]

I remember spending rock to fix my Noir and Drake just so I stopped using them after 1 or 2 season.

[warm monolith]

I dont have a single proper built nikke

Maybe ein

[gaunt pulsar]

he just wants to be like this man
#team-building message

[warm monolith]

Holy

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-gif-1748499123257475241

[lone sequoia]

yep, that counts

[warm monolith]

I wait for someone to say low atk

[lone sequoia]

if you aim for black lines 45% is not low

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-dorothy-pipe-bomb-gif-4643514375044855612

[gaunt pulsar]

now how much rocks it took?

[tropic summit]

i wonder how far i am from stocking up 300 rocks now

[warm monolith]

Idk i never counted but around 40-50 maybe? Or lower

[swift mango]

With his luck it would be less than 100

[gaunt pulsar]

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-nikke-goddess-of-victory-doro-meme-punch-meme-gif-97800701242848216

[warm monolith]

Yall consider that lucky?

[tropic summit]

give me that anis overspec

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmp-frying-pan-philip-j-fry-futurama-fry-suspect-gif-11486511013200449265

[lone sequoia]

100 rocks lib copypaste

[warm monolith]

I mean, i have an ahh swha built

[tropic summit]

your luck standards are broken anyway

[gaunt pulsar]

all my 50-60 rocks units aren't even close, and the best one that is still lacking is already at 90 and still counting until i fix

[tropic summit]

maybe you're a few rocks away from black ele atk% line

the good ol' "just one more..."

[swift mango]

200 rocks

[gaunt pulsar]

i have a piece that i feel like will take another at least 40 to fix, and others cost 3 to reroll for value

[warm monolith]

Ah...

Youre joking

[swift mango]

400 rocks

[warm monolith]

This took me, idk 20-30 rocks?

[lone sequoia]

i think blood have a better helm than mine

[lone sequoia]

1st ele was rock number 100

[warm monolith]

Why spent soo much on her🥲

[lone sequoia]

why not?

[warm monolith]

Did you spent all your luck on gambling bro

[swift mango]

This is almost impossible, what did you even roll here?

100+ rock crown

[lone sequoia]

ask SU and they will say that is "average" instead of f-ck you

[warm monolith]

I think i spent most rocks on rapirh solely cuz to get +1000 ammos, i did

I spent, idk 100 maybe?

[lone sequoia]

it was visor and vest rerolls because the other 2 piece looked decent, didn't got ele, then changed to shoes and got that ele 1st line after more tries

[swift mango]

[lone sequoia]

almost the same with less rocks (?)

[swift mango]

I mean, did you 100 x 1 rock these 2 just for line 1 AtK and CP pad 3 lines?

[swift mango]

Yours are 31% AtK there.

[lone sequoia]

all the rerolls were 1 rock, got like 3 or 4 atks and only 1 ele

i already talked about that, why do you think i hate lib?

[swift mango]

And you go for 1 AtK and 1 cp pad?

[swift mango]

[lone sequoia]

all in ele just to get 1 line

the interesting thing was atk and ele all 1st lines

[swift mango]

I mean I blue locked Ele line 1 to reroll. Couldn't be helped with 1 Ele line 1 every 20-30 roll

[warm monolith]

[lone sequoia]

for swha i was "lucky" and got 4ele+1 atk +60 rocks, then i rerolled vest for atk (bye ele) got atk 3rd line and wasted like 150 rocks trying to get ele on that same piece

[swift mango]

[lone sequoia]

it is what it is

this thing is probably +200 rocks

[placid bloom]

That is normal

It’s the people that 4 atk 4 ele under 100 rock that is not normal

[lone sequoia]

i also hate bunnies, because alice and bsoda ate too many rocks for nothing

[gaunt pulsar]

makes me want to just spend 3 rocks trying to fish for line 3 instead when i hear this

[swift mango]

"this is very unlucky, I needed 40-50 rocks to even get this. Fml"

🤏

[lone sequoia]

the other problem is that the same people get+3 rocks daily

my 50rocks a month can't handle the bad luck... free OL and done for most of my units

[swift mango]

I mean I got lucky on this piece and got attack after only around 10-12 rocks, locking Ele.

I didn't even try to go for AtK.

That's how my SW got 22% atk

But still 200 rocks

[swift mango]

Anyway, the point was I wanted Ammo, not Ele.

I should have kept that black line ammo.

[gaunt pulsar]

-9 for nothing

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[swift mango]

Almost made me think it was your CA team. Almost.

[hollow lagoon]

Funny my no ele 3 atk grave can’t out perform bade

[tidal lichen]

where miranda.

[hollow lagoon]

Why would I wanna lose damage

[tidal lichen]

miranda mihara does dmg

[hollow lagoon]

Cept does less than this comp

So me confusion

Last fire raid I tried Miranda Mihara and lost a solid half billion

And then I tried on swha for water weak and lost 0.4billion

You can say if I OL and and max skills on Miranda I could maybe pull out 1-200m

[tidal lichen]

dont need to ol miranda

[hollow lagoon]

But that’s a lot of investment for 1-200m

[hollow lagoon]

Well Breh I ain’t seeing the vision

You see

Unlike me you guys have units that’s 4atk 4ele

[tidal lichen]

wheres yours

[hollow lagoon]

Where I suffer the thing where my units never have 4 ele until like this morning

So my units almost always have crit lines

And when I slot in Miranda I just don’t get much

[tidal lichen]

im a miranda fan.

she actually has teams for all elements now

[tidal lichen]

easily makes it to top3 in my dumbasses list.

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/jjk-hikari-gif-1408129775731152385

[arctic jewel]

who wins this? the above player?

[tidal lichen]

bot top bot rng top

[oak hatch]

My vote for the top

[lunar pawn]

build decks here and make a vs fight https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck

final product looks smth like this so it's easier to analyze

[oak hatch]

Could be bottom if round 4 loses but I usually see scarlet jackal win that matchup

[arctic jewel]

I didn't know there was a deck vs deck option, nice!

[tropic summit]

that's beyond cursed

[hollow lagoon]

[onyx scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/genki-dama-spirit-bomb-goku-gif-12526925

[swift mango]

You think how long would it take for me to get a line 2 that's not DEF, hit rate or Charge dmg?

[lunar pawn]

yes

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/do-your-best-anime-gif-25753335

[oak hatch]

10 seconds if u have 200 rocks

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[tropic summit]

does blood look like someone who can keep more than 5 rocks at a time without using them?

bro would use half a rock if he had one

[swift mango]

I got that with 10 rocks.

[oak hatch]

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/send-energy-sending-healing-dragon-ball-spirit-bomb-gif-16443313

@lone sequoia 13ammo is enough

See, 2rl indom lasts 15 seconds, and lapT would do 13 hits in a bit more than 15 seconds.

I wasted 10 rocks but so be it. Just hope it's not 50 rocks to finish LapT.

Please lemme at least get Crit dmg. In 12 rocks.

[quartz vortex]

is it better to give a lvl 4 temperance cube or lvl 10 resilience cube to a tank?

[umbral crown]

Imagine not having DP as ign

[umbral crown]

Tempura is always the answer

[haughty stirrup]

my focus mosty rn is has been mostly PvE (campaign and SR), so I am gonna build her before some of the other units on there.

it's mostly the PvP lenient (as in the one that don't have much use in PvE) units I don't have built up rn

[swift mango]

resilence in SpA, Tempering if you really need it in CA

[haughty stirrup]

All I care about rn is at least staying within the top 30 till I get some more PvP units

[swift mango]

You need to have core unit OL.

Namely

Jackal, biscuit, Blanc, Noah, skill could be just 444. It's arena basic.

Rumani, Centi, Noise, Trina .etc you may ignore and not put into your team but the 4 units I listed are always used.

[tropic summit]

with the units you've and your current lineup that should be achievable

you may even push into challenger range if you play it smart and CP allows

either way cindy is fine but only after you've her built up, atm she'd tank CP and reduce your team speed overall

[swift mango]

Cindy is fine but he needs a biscuit built at the very least. So he had okay CP team that could win.

[tropic summit]

his problem is not attacking but defending, cindy on defense you're well aware how abusable she is

he needs speedy teams and CP

[swift mango]

You would surprised how many people still stripped on slow Cindy. It's better than lots of options and cheap to have high CP.

[tropic summit]

maybe pre challanger, if it still works in challenger ranks that's sad and amazing at the same time

[swift mango]

This is Havel.

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

And he is Noah less, no LapT, Vesti built

The important things is overall 3 team hard to beat, not how to beat 1 team.

[tropic summit]

vesti and lappy maybe he can do without fine, but ye noahless gonna suck

[swift mango]

Get high CP teams and tough enough is better than meta looking team.

Slow Cindy is harder to beat than freaking Scarlet at least

[umbral crown]

@pale knoll

[tropic summit]

unmatched

[pale knoll]

gotta add the fact that I'm gapping one peep

Had many campaign slackers and it has impacted them eventually

The closest to me is still like 20 sync away, others are more and 1 is like 40+

[haughty stirrup]

well, my biscuit is at 4/4/4 now. still waiting to pull the other three for a while, but no luck. but that's the same across most other units I want

[tropic summit]

you'll be fine, blood is just sweaty

[swift mango]

yeah, I figured as much. Only worked because high CP and not glass cannon like Scar trina.

[pale knoll]

Yeah, it works for my situation

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit do you happen to not know about using all your clues in the reception room? you're full on clues and have been for a while.

[tropic summit]

was on CD, might've come out of CD now though

[leaden canyon]

I noticed like most of my friends list is also like this

evverybody full on clues and I cant send them any

[tropic summit]

sometimes i clear it too fast and it has a cooldown pending

[leaden canyon]

ahhh

[swift mango]

without Jackal and Noah, you may want to OL Centi, Trina and Rumani to have some burst gen lol

keep that in mind for when you could clear SR phase 7 and done with one campaign team.

[haughty stirrup]

oh, I can already do that

[swift mango]

Then OL arena units already.
You aren't getting 3% in SR anytime soon, and that need skill books, tons, and rocks tons as well if you aren't lucky.
OL Arena burst gen units is better investment that give you extra gem every 2 week

[restive heart]

idk if its worth to 11% or 15% charge of my pvp units.

i think its aight since im always guaranteed 1-3

[swift mango]

priority for F2P investment early game:

Campaign team > SR phase 7 > OL Arena burst gen units > AI phase 7 > whatever tf you want.

[tropic summit]

people nowdays can skip rumani/centi/trina for vestiTU/SWHA/Lib/HelmT anyway

the rest they can get it from noah and jackal

[swift mango]

he does have Noah and Jackal.

he doesn't have that burst gen

And LapT is bugger investment than OL Rumani ever be

[tropic summit]

ye but does he need to build them anyway? as you said, CP matters and he may aswell go for high CP but slow teams

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

you can't ask him to have CP AND burst gen at same time

[swift mango]

How slow is that? Without even a single clip RL his team gonna be all 4rl.

without a single burst gen Defender, his biscuit gonna eat shit

[leaden canyon]

Usually its not worth, if you are not a pvp main I wouldn't really bother

[swift mango]

[restive heart]

[leaden canyon]

The more cs only tends to really matter these days with trying to cover certain weaknesses, like nayuta in p1 if you have enough cs can burst before siren stun, same with noah. Or if you are trying to outspeed something on frames

[tropic summit]

here 2 teams and i didn't even use biscuit or jackal yet

we've so many burst gen options he really could live without clip RL

if he does find jackal or noah he can make a 3rd team quite easily

[restive heart]

yea but rn im thinking getting cs on vesti. seems she can change burst gen drastically with 15% and ill call it a day

[swift mango]

3rl Nayuta

[tropic summit]

and as you said, your own words, he can run slow cindy for 3rd team

[swift mango]

and only 2 teams

[tropic summit]

he's not getting multiple 2RL or 2.5RL teams without clip RLs

[leaden canyon]

your vesti is 5% at minimum or 8% or 11%

the next bump would basically be 25%

[tropic summit]

you said it yourself he needs CP... now you insist he needs burst gen... make up your mind

[swift mango]

Could work at the moment but not after a month or so better to start invest. OL units are like costing.nothing.

[leaden canyon]

its basically required for pvp vesti have to have cs

no cs on her and shes trash

[tropic summit]

that depends on what his plans are, if he wants to focus pve he can do pvp without actually bothering that kind of invest, he could retain D1 or CH7-CH10 without

[swift mango]

Add 1 or 2 burst gen unit to make the team tough enough, that's why I asked him to OL for CP.

[tropic summit]

but you said he needed CP and slow cindy was fine earlier

[swift mango]

slow cindy also need burst gen.

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

There is a difference between 3.5rl-4.5rl slow cindy and 10rl slow cindy.

[restive heart]

oh damn

[tropic summit]

take my in your

[swift mango]

one is just trash

[tropic summit]

10RL cindy

inb4 has 40% deficit advantage, it would do better than 3.5RL-4.5RL cindy

checkmate

[restive heart]

[swift mango]

nah just oL his units

[restive heart]

my vesti kinda sad

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

There isn't that much difference between 4 rock Rumani and 101010 1000 rock Rapipi

[tropic summit]

don't worry, when @swift mango wakes up and has to look in the mirror that's even more sad

[tropic summit]

well there's probably a huge CP difference if anything

[swift mango]

Because I saw my sister standing behind me.

[tropic summit]

bare invest rumani will not have the same CP as ultra invest RRH

[swift mango]

not 40% difference

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

i'll your harder

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nikke-doro

[restive heart]

19 + 10 (1000 boxes) = 29 rocs

[tropic summit]

@swift mango i like how i wanted him to push for burst gen but then you said CP matters the most and we ended up now me having to push for CP while you push for burst gen

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-dorothy-punch-gif-18123777785318228871

[swift mango]

yes, you add one burst gen units and patch the rest.

That's how I built Havel slow cindy

[tropic summit]

in a happy world where you've the resources to do both

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

4 rock for one unit is dirt cheap

[tropic summit]

bah in havel case i bet opponent is running scarlet/vesti/SWHA against it and wonders why they sudoku on slow cindy

[glad meteor]

g0ons

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

did you get laid yet

[swift mango]

Even Libby 2rl would lose to 3.5rl Moran at deficit.

[glad meteor]

Nah. I just skipped evrything

[tropic summit]

moran at deficit is a war crime

[tropic summit]

me too, but you still get to see those pictures

[glad meteor]

I just wanted to do story and get dailies done

[tropic summit]

i dun know how but i ended up in bed with arcana

solid 10/10 experience

[swift mango]

That's his slow cindy. Centi low cp for burst gen than pad the rest.

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

tell him to treasure centi

that way it's slow cindy against 1RL forced enemy

[swift mango]

nah he won't even treasure Lappy or built vesti.

[tropic summit]

what a pleb

[swift mango]

He isn't my sister

[tropic summit]

your sister didn't treasure centi

[swift mango]

Who know?

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

i know your sister cuz i visit her every night

[swift mango]

Even have same body.

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

This team for example, it's better to just OL Trina and put it in Nayuta team instead of add Rapipi. Unless Adding rapipi could put enemy in deficit which is hard to happen at his rank.

If he could put people atk team at deficit with cp pad he would be c10 already

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Nvm adding Trina alone won't make it 2rl so ignore

[tropic summit]

it needs emi/lappy + a clip RL

else you can 2.5RL with a clip RL + clip SG

(or CS% ofc)

[swift mango]

2.5 rl actually good enough in early game when people don't have cs

but if you add SG they would just jackal it

[tropic summit]

if they stay around 2RL, nayuta pops B2 before enemy is on B3, would still nuke link if they're not fast enough at least

avoiding using SG although would be best ofc

[swift mango]

sg won't make it 2rl

[tropic summit]

nah i meant enemy staying 2RL

if they get fed into 1.5RL-1.8RL then it's bayover

[gloomy shard]

Where can I get to learn these infos on how to build pvp teams? XD

[tropic summit]

you post your box/blabla link set to public here and you ping @swift mango

and he'll cook you a fine meal

[swift mango]

need 2.5rl with the 5th SG shoot

[gloomy shard]

Got it, will do

[swift mango]

Nah, ping me and I may cook but the delay is hours.

Only you do mc.donna service

[tropic summit]

casual

[swift mango]

[gloomy shard]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad?uid=MjkwODAtMTI5MzMzNDUwNTY2OTQ3NDAwMDg%3D
is this how you do it? @tropic summit @swift mango

[tropic summit]

ye looks good

[gloomy shard]

This is the team that i made out of my if you’re curious

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• moran noah biscuit swha siren
• jackal vestiTU xmaiden blanc liberalio
• nayuta centi helmt rh trina

[tropic summit]

T1 is a bit on the slow side
T2 is a bit powercrept (SBS fell off compared to other options available)
T3 a bit overcommited

also nowdays putting blanc in p2 is a huge risk, try to get her at least in p3 ideally p4

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit I no longer need rosa tech against this guy

[gloomy shard]

Out of curiosity, I saw Prydwen putting PrivatyTr on SS, is it a good idea on building her?

[gritty ridge]

Shes great in pve and usable in pvp

[gloomy shard]

I see, so position does matter… i thought you can just put them in order of their burst xD

[tropic summit]

she's a instant nuker trying to lethal or to stun, but it's not like the usual counters against nukers don't suddenly work anymore
she could work in some teams, but there are other more consistent teams you probably best trying first

[gritty ridge]

She does really good against delayed nukes behind noah thi

Like snow or emi

[tropic summit]

nah positions matter a lot, especially when it comes to which units will be the most exposed and which will be the least exposed

[gloomy shard]

From my teams, who do you recommend building first?

[tropic summit]

whenever you make teams assume p1 will take the most damage, p2 is exposed to all splash types, p3 exposed to emi and vestiTU splash types, p4 is essentially the safest spot, p5 exposed to SGs (when you attack) or to enemy SRs (when you're defending)

[tropic summit]

don't need to build anything, run these teams first and see how they hold, it's already using all your invested units

#pvp-arena message

on the short/medium term you could improve some of your utilities and get your laplace treasured

as for your utilities, noise, trina, biscuit, noah, jackal

[gloomy shard]

I just used 350 blue to invest my biscuits but luck is not on my side and did not even manage to full her R collection T-T

[gloomy shard]

Got it

Thank you so much for the help! Much appreciated

[gritty ridge]

Rail im so proud of you

[umbral crown]

gapper

[glad meteor]

Remove one p

[umbral crown]

2 days gone since maint and people found motivation all fo a sudden

[glad meteor]

C7?

[umbral crown]

yep

but was ez to take it back, Pelg still using my defense lacking the investment and starf also the same but he edited team 2 a bit

the funny thing is pelg is 557

starf changed biscuit for emilia

i sent my absolute vvs his team 1 and it went ka boom

[swift mango]

It's the first step toward them CP gap you out of existence.

[umbral crown]

they can not cp gap me

just look

[swift mango]

Those slacker.

[umbral crown]

and check the damage of each unit

[swift mango]

But maybe they still save some boxes

[umbral crown]

my cp high enough to not be cp gapped even when level gap

[umbral crown]

probably but still in range

look blood

[gritty ridge]

Yeah it was me, my bad

[umbral crown]

[covert lintel]

Can you win

[umbral crown]

of course

[umbral crown]

unless you gap me really hard nothing i can beat

[glad meteor]

Misindom

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

i also tried with another match with vesti indom but lifesteal wins

vesti bursting

[glad meteor]

Yeah

Vesti need giga buffs

[umbral crown]

yep, vesti indom alone not enough these days

[covert lintel]

Trio absolute still enough to wreck my biscuit team

[umbral crown]

this could not stand a chance

[covert lintel]

Noise link?

[umbral crown]

did not check tbh

[covert lintel]

I lost to that

[umbral crown]

but in my team which is a bit above, noise is linked

but these bois coping me

trio with snow is 2.5

i was using it for a few seasons and worked fine

but with soline instead nayuta

[covert lintel]

But my speed is the same, so bay should tank it

[umbral crown]

well not 2.5 but really close

[umbral crown]

but remember, vesti hits with true damage. i have lost to a similar comp liek yours before but with nayuta with them things are a bit different

well it had moran and cindy but you know... things happens

from S23

[crystal flicker]

Why you care if VesT comp reach 2RL or not

[umbral crown]

the faster you burst with vesti and absolute the better

[crystal flicker]

You dont need to burst if you're running VesT + Absolute

If you do, you'll lose to proper comp anyway

[umbral crown]

in my case i need to burst, i do not like a 6 RL comp

[crystal flicker]

You dont need to burst if your enemy died before burst

[umbral crown]

some can live to burst and you are gone, also look at how invested vesti is.

[crystal flicker]

That's why I said non-whale who runs VesT comp is insane person

if they survive the pre-burst, they'll survive your burst

[umbral crown]

part of the things expected to happen

[swift mango]

The problem with these teams is that you over committed into what's supposed to be a cheap team. Now you Are void of SW and potentially Nayuta for using in your other 4 team. Making it weaker overall.

I guess putting SW and Vesti in one team is still acceptable but losing Nayuta too suck.

[warm monolith]

Welp, rng worked again

@tropic summit

How i win is against my and his vestitu, just as blanc indom runs out for both mine only has 1 bullet left and when she shots it she auto covers while the enemy vesti still has 7 bullets, causing it to take hit and die

[covert lintel]

Why?

[crystal flicker]

Absolute comp is not 2RL comp, so naturally they lose to 2RL IF the preburst is weak

[worthy knoll]

Do you have replay? I think it was just simply your Lib not enough damage.. well from the pic if that 8.2M is with the nuke already, then that is indeed low for a nuke that hits 5 units.. or it could be your Lib died the moment both Nayuta Vesti bursted but before her burst could happen

[covert lintel]

I forgot to record it
Iirc she died after burst
delayed burst makes the team defeat

[worthy knoll]

Well I think Rakuen's pic above, he would have won if that Absolute team was not quick to burst with 2 nukes of Nayuta and Vesti. Though I feel his Lib died before he could have bursted . Though he prolly would have won too that if that was Noah and not a Bay, assuming his Lib nuke can kill Vesti at least.

[worthy knoll]

Iirc Lib loses the atk buff mid burst if she died before the actual burst damage calculation happens

[covert lintel]

I think that 8m dmg is from her normal atk to swha
Her burst never landed

[worthy knoll]

But she did hit click her B3 or not?

[covert lintel]

Yes but died immediately

[worthy knoll]

I wanna know if its just the atk buff is lost or Lib nuke is completely cancelled if she clicked B3 but died before she could do the delayed nuke

[worthy knoll]

So you meant her nuke got cancelled?

If that 8M damage is just from natks

[oak smelt]

I suspect that is the interaction if Lib dies just before the nuke lands.
This is one example but in this case they were testing Bay's cover interaction with Lib's nuke landing while she survives and the other where she dies just before the nuke lands.
#pvp-arena message

Not sure if this is a good example though since Bay's cover interaction is in play here

[covert lintel]

Same speed
Nayuta boom bay's cover then Besti boom all of them and my libby is the first victim

[worthy knoll]

I know you Libby will be hit full coz 2 aoe bursts, I just wanted to know if she did nuke or not. I suspected she nuked but no atk buff, but you said that 8M was just from normal atk

[river dune]

Me fighting against the Devil

[worthy knoll]

Then was it completely cancelled when she died?

[river dune]

[oak smelt]

Why mirror match though, these day Scarlet 2RL comp for SPA defense is hard countered by Label or Bay

[covert lintel]

It got cancelled right after she clicked burst

Cause she died

[river dune]

True

[worthy knoll]

Are you really sure about that? ..mmh weird coz I thought it still goes through but without an atk buff.. I kinda remember it was Keripo who mentioned that before. If only there was just a vid 🤔

[covert lintel]

You can say it's just like blanc burst when the atker died immediately after blanc clicked