pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

i saw some arts from that game and, least to say, they were quite thirsty

[shell hazel]

oh yeah that is why I play it 😄

[tropic summit]

depends, if the game isn't just about dressing them up, but has some form of fun gameplay i could play it

cute girls is a good factor, but the game needs to be fun

[shell hazel]

nikke prob the best game in terms of gameplay for me even with it's obvious flaws

[tropic summit]

like look at what happened with GF2, massively good character design, potentially interesting story, but failed miserably with repetitive ass gameplay and a storytelling that is of pre 2010

[tropic summit]

nikke managed to land the border between avoiding having you to burn out and having a form of repetitive somewat fun gameplay

it's filled of lack of QoL, but it barely functions enough to avoid burn out easily

dailies are fast, you're constantly slowly improving, you're given challanges and forms of competitions that test your consistency

[shell hazel]

I can usually do my dailies pretty quick and move on with my day lol

[tropic summit]

ye that helps a lot

[shell hazel]

I think their mini-game game has gotten worse though

[tropic summit]

games that instead want you to play a lot, but offer very bad repetitive and forced content to keep up, that's where you've red flags all over the place

[shell hazel]

not really any fun ones lately for me

oh btw I did note that arknights added full ult on farming stages now

though I do wish they just let me sweep the damn things

[tropic summit]

oh?

guess ppl finally complained the battles were piss poor repetitive content

[shell hazel]

yeah you just go in with ult up now, or at least I had that earlier

yeah that is not the fun content I really look for

[tropic summit]

arknight needs to be very careful cuz they're already pissing off a lot of people with the obvious genshin-like quests

although i bet this was design of several years ago

and they couldn't just change it up

[shell hazel]

I'd like to be able to automate essentially everything in the end

collection of special resources, stuff in the ship etc

[tropic summit]

they better learn quickly how to retain people like WuWA or Nikke do

before this ends up being another GF2

[shell hazel]

WuWa had some similar issues though, having to manual the farming stuff

[tropic summit]

ye i don't touch WuWA because of that, but i heard people appreciate it still

so it probably does SOMETHING right

[shell hazel]

and actually I hated fighting most WuWa bosses, they usually spent 50% of their time flying away from me

[tropic summit]

amazing...

[shell hazel]

not a single one of their boss fights was fun for me

[tropic summit]

think what people like in there is how it's trying to be different from the genshin sh*t at least

but NTE might be what we need to finally break that shit

[unkempt kestrel]

anyone able to help me make a new sp team? my team getting rekt now. I dont have emilia. I got my current team from somewhere in chat a month or so ago.

[swift mango]

Arknight is fun with puzzle solving base defense gameplay, what are you talking about?

[unkempt kestrel]

idk why his attackers are so random

[tropic summit]

oh these feel like me-made teams

[tropic summit]

he's trying to RNG your indom probably

can probably spice up T1 and T3 and leave your indom intact

[shell hazel]

like 8 fights in 10 mins 😄

[umbral crown]

[unkempt kestrel]

theres more

[tropic summit]

arknight burned me out within 3 weeks on release tho

[shell hazel]

imo not usually worth hitting back immediately, wait a bit hit back when they least expect it

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-wave-15

[umbral crown]

Hai, would you teach me how to cook?

[unkempt kestrel]

ok ill stop for a bit

[swift mango]

Bird brain memory can't play old school base defense game for shit.

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

you grab a pot, put water in it, boil it, put that water in a cup of instant ramen, ez 🍜

[umbral crown]

Hai

[unkempt kestrel]

Theguy that is gemming is not a whale. he only has 22 skins. I think hes just mad I took his spot after the bracket changed before

[tropic summit]

it was several years back tho

[shell hazel]

if you got their blabla you can monitor it

[tropic summit]

when did arknight came out again?

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Doesn't change much isn't it? It came out like 6-7 years ago

[tropic summit]

felt like way longer somehow

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-eating-noodles-yum-blush-happy-gif-17271133

[tropic summit]

if i ever get truly bored i could pick it up again and just start from scratch @swift mango

i want those cute donkey-eared ladies

[swift mango]

May 2019.

[keen vapor]

You slack :pepeh:

[tropic summit]

says the slacker

[keen vapor]

I'M WORKER

[swift mango]

Good thing about Arknight is that you could get any characters that's not Collab without worry about RNG if you waited long enough.

[tropic summit]

slacker worker

[keen vapor]

how did you know

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1441497155465515008/1026322546934698004.gif

[tropic summit]

i've cameras all over where you live

[swift mango]

Demoted to 💩

[umbral crown]

No bully

[tropic summit]

meanwhile you get demoted to 🫃

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel i see it now

dailies just got faster

[umbral crown]

Do you see

[shell hazel]

did now they need to fix the sanity tickets

pointless annoying mechanic, let me 2 x it at least if I want to

I largely been enjoying arknights endfield though still, despite the stamina annoyances

[tropic summit]

ye feels like a pretty bad QoL decision

[tropic summit]

to be fair, feels like building my characters didn't drammatically change much

[umbral crown]

Not FBW for you then

[tropic summit]

maxed skills, maxed levels, gave em gear, gave em essences... still feels... eh?

[umbral crown]

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit what's the rapunzel version scarlet comp

[shell hazel]

yeah I do kind of feel the same lol

but I suppose I can clear all atm and so I don't really worry

[umbral crown]

Ah but the pvp chars waiting for that investment

[tropic summit]

in other games you could actually see how you demolish things afterward, in arknight still kinda feels pepega

[swift mango]

I haven't found any gacha with game play I really like since HI3 early days...

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

there's multiple

the soline one, the non soline one, the gambleroni one

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon this was one of the champs

[swift mango]

Before that there were many game with different gameplay I liked ... But game nowadays only focus on the graphics and play the same.

[tropic summit]

pre soline release tho

[shell hazel]

gimme their union id I can probably find them btw 😛

[swift mango]

[neat harness]

So it's been a long while since I've modified my SP team and would like to update them, any tips on which units?

Thanks in advance, here's my full roster: https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtOTA1NTM1OTcxNjI0MTczNTIyOA%3D%3D&type=normal

[hollow lagoon]

@swift mango do u haz it?

[tropic summit]

ye you got it mostly right here, with scarlet in p1 you can gain natural 2RL via counters, but weakness to rosanna as she dispels p1

[swift mango]

Haz?

[hollow lagoon]

scarlet p1 tho then rapun dont care if soline

[tropic summit]

there's a few that i could... but...

[tropic summit]

needs ammo count to avoid siren stun and gamble you don't meet rosanna

[unkempt kestrel]

04973353

[umbral crown]

[placid bloom]

well there is only so much they can innovate with mobile controls

[shell hazel]

that doesn't sound like their union id

[umbral crown]

Do it

[shell hazel]

go into their profile, then click their union it's at the top

[swift mango]

Well, not when old games got the axed and their gameplay never got repeat again

[unkempt kestrel]

thhis?

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

1050 thanks

[shell hazel]

what do they have for members? lmao

duck? cadet?

[unkempt kestrel]

im thinking about not using jackel, he uses rosanna in his defence

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• moran noah biscuit swha drakeT
• nayuta trina helmt rh emilia
• jackal scarlet blanc vestiTU laplaceT

Notes

• many pvp core units are low invest, also seems you're missing still moran treasure, get her asap
• your utilities are also very low invest, build up noah, biscuit, jackal, trina, centi, rumani, noise
• your other pvp and pve core units are kinda lacking too, especially SWHA, build her up asap.
• build up vestiTU to replace scarlet as main indom in T3

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit what about dis

[tropic summit]

try to get cindy to 4RL or 5RL... 3RL is non lethal on most 2RL and 2.5RL
other teams are ok, don't really like T3 still, a soda would be much better

T1 T2 and T5 are ok

[swift mango]

I remember I was very into that flying witches gacha that play like old school 2D shooter. But it got EoS announcement like 2 weeks after I started and ended in another month.

Ironically, that game was one of the main reason I checked out Nikke and Azur Lane.

[tropic summit]

and then you discovered your true inspiration, LADS

those sexy korean husbandos of yours

[neat harness]

Thanks for the team

• I already have MoranT
• VestiTU is "fully" built (ie overloaded with essential lines, got most of equipment to lv5)

[swift mango]

LADS is mainly because I read game otome mangas with similar game. And wanted to experience the game they played.

[tropic summit]

oh oke, then maybe it's just those units on top overly stronk? good for moranT

if vestiTU is proper built replace scarlet and put vestiTU in p2

[shell hazel]

what region you in good sir? this is not mine

[neat harness]

Your other comments are good tho, i need to properly build SWHA

[unkempt kestrel]

NA

[tropic summit]

check this team in shooting range

see if vestiTU gets jumping jackal as buff upon entering

[shell hazel]

I found them but their profile is hidden

this is a diff member https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?openid=MjkwODAtNDY5MTQzMjY2Njk3MTk3ODM5MA==

this is Rapi one I think but hidden https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?openid=MjkwODAtNjE0NjgwMzcyMzA2OTgwNjU5NQ==

[neat harness]

Sure, just that it might take me a while to boot up the game since i'm doing dailies for other games

[tropic summit]

@neat harness if she gets linked, ensure whoever is the other linked unit is p5 and has more HP than vestiTU

[tropic summit]

no problemo take ur time

[unkempt kestrel]

rip maybe i should try changing teams

[shell hazel]

make sure your own blabla is all hidden

[unkempt kestrel]

what does blabla show anyway?

https://www.blablalink.com/user?openid=MjkwODAtNzQxNzM5OTQzMTQyNTcyODc3NA==

can you see my blabla?

[shell hazel]

all hidden for me

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit i resign to fate, i will derp out with lib

[tropic summit]

oh no actual SG team?

[hollow lagoon]

i mean i dont have soda built

[tropic summit]

hmm all 5 teams are interesting but T2 remains kinda poor synergy

[unkempt kestrel]

ok I gave up and just attacked lvl 3, wasted like 2k gems

[shell hazel]

why? 😄

waste more gems than you earn from it that way

[unkempt kestrel]

been a while, I was itching to spend some gems

[hollow lagoon]

i could just run dis lel

but no ol on soda

[shell hazel]

crazy

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

I use my gems for wipe outs and pulls

[hollow lagoon]

do i just redhood over soda

[unkempt kestrel]

is wipeout worth it? I only use it to reroll the bulletin board.

[tropic summit]

you'd kill things like nero moran, but get screwed by rosanna, bay, noah and indom teams... soda can actually give you a chance against those

[shell hazel]

if you were in cp range and lost 20 times you had bad strat

[hollow lagoon]

what cubes do people use on them sg team now days

[swift mango]

This game was like the only gacha that clicked with me in everything in my 16+ years of gacha. Never again.

[tropic summit]

never played this

[shell hazel]

it's a far better use of gems than wasting on repeat arena fights at least

[tropic summit]

what was it about

[shell hazel]

free + 50 basically always feels worth

[swift mango]

Ofc you didn't. It only existed in English for like a year

[shell hazel]

• 70 is also ok if you got gems, gets worse after that

[swift mango]

Actually only 9 months according to the image I posted. I was guild leader of the rank 2 guild in the server. Only lower than the guild full of beta testers.

The only time I used line chat.

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

I played the jpn game after global went EoS but it also EoS now.

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit welp squeezed out nuff gear exp to make 3 piece of soda ol

[tropic summit]

zant going ham

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

The game play, music, story, base building, character design and character story arc of that game was all clicked with me. Never got a Gacha game that clicked with me in every single things again....

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit where would i be sliding in a noah

[swift mango]

Arknight kind only the game play.

Nikke kinda only the Collab bits

Honkai story and gameplay in early game, later all everyone too OP dodge doesn't matter anymore to survive.

Azur Lane well, characters, game play was fulfill at the begin but it's just an auto battle now.

Some war games, I like the gameplay for awhile. Some other gacha, I like gameplay for awhile.

But nothing ever sticked...

[tropic summit]

put blanc in cindy team and noah in vesti team

[hollow lagoon]

that's afirst

[tropic summit]

think out of the box

[hollow lagoon]

eah

[hollow lagoon]

blanc in cindy team would be way to slow?

[swift mango]

Won't be any good

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/kolow-gif-22856605

[tropic summit]

slow cindy needs to be 5RL to bypass noah

4RL your initial hits are absorbed and only followup goes through

[hollow lagoon]

has to eb the non label version then

[tropic summit]

i'm messing with these 4 for now to give you further ideas

[swift mango]

5/10 goes through

Enough to one shot SW or Helm

[tropic summit]

if they're not behind a moran or a bay yeah

which is like most of the time nowdays

trying to come up with a 5th with leftovers

[swift mango]

Centi burst would nullify bay. Moran won't save them from 90% ele

[hollow lagoon]

i dont have 90 ele

[tropic summit]

90% ele?

[hollow lagoon]

lul

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

this guy keeps thinking everyone spends the same amount of rocks he does on his pvp unit

i'm going for average pvp like the pleb i am, if they do good good, if they meet ultra whel C7 with 90% ele cya

[neat harness]

Nah it's libby that gets the jumping jackal buff

[swift mango]

Cindy is the strongest Elec boss killer. Most people give her 4 Ele.

[tropic summit]

time to fix her OLs, aim for:

20-40%atk
x2 ammo
5%+CS
20-40%ele

[neat harness]

For libby?

[tropic summit]

until she's fixed see if you can fit either of these to pad and not steal her link:

• bsoda
• noir
• ada
• xmaiden

[tropic summit]

no those lines are for vestiTU

[swift mango]

I only give 4 Ele to my 4 boss killer units of each element. This is campaign investment.

[neat harness]

ok gotcha

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

i don't have 90% on cindy do i

[swift mango]

Idk if I have 90%, but at least 80% is normal.

[tropic summit]

yeah i don't have 90% only 87%

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

funny she even has 40% atk

[neat harness]

This is per line, right? or overall stats?

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

maybe a water code dies against that afterall

cya swha, cya helmt

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

nah overall, realistically

2 lines of 60% ammo
1 or 2 lines of 3%-4%CS
2-4 lines of 10%atk each
2-4 lines of 15-20% ele atk

[neat harness]

Here's my VestiT OL lines atm:

[tropic summit]

oh she's almost there, need 1 more ammo and could use some additional atk%

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit certifibally cursed i reckon

[tropic summit]

aim for 120-150% ammo

[neat harness]

I'm just afraid that doing so would brick her in PVE

[tropic summit]

ultra curseroni plus ultra, also move siren in p4 to be able to get taunted back by enemy noah being taunted by your noah

[neat harness]

because of the "divisible by 4" requirement

[hollow lagoon]

holymoly

[tropic summit]

leave her as is then, just can't use her well for indom purposes

[swift mango]

Just use bastion if you indom her.

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

who even is my highest ele

either cindy or s.anis

[umbral crown]

Thats my vesti but without the attack and the ammo

[tropic summit]

s.anis almost 100%

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit back to bay sg...... kekkeekekekek

[tropic summit]

don't think i've any unit that goes past this 94% tho

[neat harness]

WELP i misread Jackal's S2 (2 allies, not 1)
my bad lol, thanks

[tropic summit]

then the next step check her HP against other linked unit HP (not jackal, but the other attacker)

[gritty ridge]

Rail i can alternate x.maid, clip sg, and lib right?

[tropic summit]

depends, but most of the time ye

[gritty ridge]

In the 3 teams you made

[tropic summit]

oh then ye

[gritty ridge]

Ok, i have em up

[tropic summit]

show CP for reference

[tropic summit]

oke lib needs vigor and you're good

team becomes:

jackal vestiTU blanc laplaceT liberalio

[neat harness]

Not LaplaceT, that's for sure

[tropic summit]

@neat harness cubes:

jackal quantum
VestiTU tempering
blanc vigor
laplaceT quantum
liberalio vigor

and you got yourself your indom vestiTU

[tropic summit]

hmm a bit low on scarlet, rest is fine

[fast skiff]

Heyy rail can u hlp me make CA teams

[gritty ridge]

Everyone there is relatively low cp, its gonna be like that

[tropic summit]

ye go ahead, box or blabla link set to public

[fast skiff]

Thanks

[tropic summit]

might wanna pad it out if they break

[gritty ridge]

You didnt even use my fat af blanc

[tropic summit]

ye i feel your bracket is probably used to blanc

[fast skiff]

So i can just screenshot my box or did u rlly need blabla

[tropic summit]

as long as you provide the units one way or another is fine

[gritty ridge]

Theyre not used to defending against her

[tropic summit]

slap an indom instead of scarlet then

[gritty ridge]

I meant they're not good at creating blanc proof teams

Hence why I terrorize them at 60 level deficits

[tropic summit]

you've ada ye?

[gritty ridge]

Not built

[tropic summit]

alrighty, you could opt for a padded scarlet indom imo

that still works

[gritty ridge]

I could swap nayu for blanc for a fat boost

[tropic summit]

jackal scarlet blanc flex flex

and slap high CP units that keeps you 2.5RL with 91%-ish to 2RL

[neat harness]

linked Libby just needs to have the higher HP than linked VestiTU, right? not overall in the squad?

[tropic summit]

ye indom requirement is just lowest HP in the link between jackal and linked unit

E.g. in your case:

• jackal highest HP or 2nd highest
• libby highest HP or 2nd highest
• vestiTU lowest HP

[unique mountain]

Why are u not there

[tropic summit]

cuz @swift mango is gonna hack me

[fast skiff]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

yeah way better

[gritty ridge]

Very fat blanc

[neat harness]

So i upgraded libby's torso equipment to lv 5 and now she (with no vigor cube) has more hp than vestiTU. this means I can use other cubes for libby, is that right?

[gritty ridge]

Adjutant or tempura is her best cube

[fast skiff]

Tysm!

[gritty ridge]

Is that a rail CA cook? How rare

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon this also applies to you as ideas

[tropic summit]

i made actually plenty today as i'm also looking for inspiration

[hollow lagoon]

That rapunzel is gamba af

[gritty ridge]

T5 and t2 are kinda sus

[tropic summit]

ye it's all in team, either it works or it doesn't

[hollow lagoon]

I ran enough of the t4 it ain’t very guuchi

[tropic summit]

it's based on his box availability of built units

@hollow lagoon

more ideas for your brain

[hollow lagoon]

Man

I kinda feel like Nayuta sg would be better

[tropic summit]

ye if she has natural higher HP you no longer need to mess with vigor

you can always re-check by running that team in shooting range

[hollow lagoon]

@

[tropic summit]

SG punish a lot of teams, but keep in mind with addition of actual proper bay teams, moran teams, nayuta teams and soline teams, SGs stonk down a bit

should still get you some wins here and there because it's a well rounded punishing team

[hollow lagoon]

I just feel bay sg is sus

[tropic summit]

absolute is also kind of a wild card

denies a lot of actual meta teams for little cost

then you can commit more on the other 4

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit I feel like Nayuta sg actually can’t burst with 1 death?

[quaint granite]

Dont you guys feel like CN spying and countering this channel?

[tropic summit]

you need 33%ish to 2RL or 3RL

[tropic summit]

no, because the internet exists and there's a ton more sources for CA and data

[tropic summit]

this chat is just one of the many...

slow cindy and soda for example didn't even come from global

[quaint granite]

They find Zant and whale more!

[tropic summit]

ye that will be 2.5RL

keep in mind SGS will always kill at least 1 unit and try to lose 1 of their own

you've then 66% ish burst gen gain from kills

if you score 2 deaths, you're 2RL

[hollow lagoon]

Bay sg still feel sus

[tropic summit]

as in?

it's just trying to delay SG's death

[fast skiff]

[hollow lagoon]

At least my slow Cindy is kinda stacked

[fast skiff]

Whats the ele and attack on it?

[hollow lagoon]

That’s not what I mean

[quaint granite]

Max Core

[fast skiff]

Oh no i just wanted to know since mines kinda meh

[hollow lagoon]

It’s just experimental

[fast skiff]

Wish i had label i skipped...

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

[fast skiff]

[hollow lagoon]

Skipping label is the equivalent of broadcasting to the world that you like being punished by soda scar

But then who I’m I to judge a man’s fantasies

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon slotting privT is a royal pain in the ass

gonna cost a jackal to run similar teams

[hollow lagoon]

Too hard, she need a lot of batteries

And she needs off burst damage or buffs

[tropic summit]

honestly considering skipping a 5th team just so i can afford these teams

[hollow lagoon]

Kinda ruff

[tropic summit]

nah moran buffed privT retains lethal assuming enemy has no anti nuke

problem is that you need her to be fast af

ideally a natural 2RL with CS% on... sigh

[umbral crown]

Rail cooking

He gonna win this season

[hollow lagoon]

My cs is pertty crap I’m like 8% across not even

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yeah-yeah-78

[umbral crown]

Last season my privaty cook went undefeated

But the rest of te teams lost

[fast skiff]

Hopefully i can get her in regular vouchers at some pt

[tropic summit]

what was the team like?

[fathom rock]

Let me retire in peace

[tropic summit]

~~keep suffering with us, don't run away ~~

@hollow lagoon think i'm gonna embrace cursed cookin' afterall

[hollow lagoon]

Wait

@fathom rock not the weird color what gives

[hollow lagoon]

Holy crap that is cursed

[tropic summit]

time to die at qualifiers

[hollow lagoon]

How would double hp share even work

[tropic summit]

distribute and reduce

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

say you've jackal link with bay and bay linked with 5 units

damage taken by jackal gets distributed on 2 other nikke which are linked to a 5 unit hp pool

so you've a 3 unit hp pool that distributes on a 5 unit hp pool

now what happens if you give lifesteal to those 2 hp pools?

you break nikke and cause EoS

to be fair getting nayuta linked here would be interesting

as you then have distributed healing on x2 links on lifesteal

mother of god

and then a liberalio hits

overflow on 2 links without biscuit

[umbral crown]

let me check ss, will be back in a bit

[tropic summit]

ok 4 teams made, whatever i make with these leftovers

[lunar pawn]

@broken lark you got attacked...was it once or twice?

[tropic summit]

got 3 clip RL tier units

[lunar pawn]

pvp player sr15'd alice before me

[umbral crown]

[fathom rock]

The only protection here is scar trina anything else dead before burst

[tropic summit]

my beloved

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

Scar Noah Trina Red Hood Laplace?

[tropic summit]

ye that's tasty

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

think i've 5 teams

[fathom rock]

Plsnodefsgplsnodefsgplsnodefsgplsnodefsg

[lunar pawn]

time I adjust my own CA setup

[umbral crown]

if cs and some quatums..

[lunar pawn]

rapu in p1 without soline goes with vigor or tempering?

[umbral crown]

tempering should be

[tropic summit]

p1 and p5 gonna want tempering

and ideally not be your highest atk%

if rosanna dispels your p5 and p1, your wall falls

[umbral crown]

This was the team

[tropic summit]

quite similar with what i had in mind, but still too slow to be usable

[lunar pawn]

fair

[umbral crown]

i see but you know, its CA

[tropic summit]

ye it could work

[lunar pawn]

does emilia want tempering then?

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown hp stacking with lifesteal is another thingie i wanna test

although huge gamble on not meeting SGs or rosanna

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

and absolute melts this

[umbral crown]

depends if you face a build absolute

[tropic summit]

this one likely only doable with soline

else too risky

[umbral crown]

we gambling on CA, its fine

[tropic summit]

the entire moran noah team wants tempering there

arguably you can sacc emilia for all it matters, you're done the moment lib casts and lands nuke

[lunar pawn]

slapped it on moran noah emilia

remaining ones on rapu and noise

centi with vigor I think

[tulip quest]

I think this team was Dair's specialty

[tropic summit]

ye was born from a funny test against his enemy indom ein on 4 buffs

moran anchor helmt trina ada or similar

[tulip quest]

this wins vs Vesti indom but not with Ada

Vesti Indom = win

Vesti Ada indom = lose is what Dair also said

or was it Zant

[tropic summit]

might be able to mitigate vestiTU with siren though

but ye on a general rule of thumb, vestiTU on blanc and ada buff should be killing anything

unless you time biscuit stacks to outstall

[tulip quest]

timing biscuit kinda tricky

and that comp reliant on other comp not consistent

I lose stall comps in C.A cause of a Jacked Rossana killing Rumani n Mihara before burst

btw what kinda of Rossana atk% is needed to 1 shot Rumani?

I was traumatized that time

[tropic summit]

rumani pre B1 or after B1

[tulip quest]

Pre

[tropic summit]

40%atk SR15 with rumani non full HP (e.g. ticks from splash or from SWHA)

90%ish rumani is probably lethal'ed at that point without critting

[tulip quest]

Yea B1 Rossana still the best sniper in pvp

I even won vs nayuta comp that counters mine cause Rossana breaks her invul

it was my Tacticomp

everything died in 3 sec

[tropic summit]

that's a mistake on enemy side though, nayuta shouldn't be 1st or 2nd highest atk% in the team

else dispel and become useless

[tulip quest]

I think he was A Solo raider

there is a tech that required Nayuta high atk to get Miranda's crit buff

for wind raid

[tropic summit]

ah typical, for ol pve go0ns getting bricked for pvp

this game and its funny trolling

[thin abyss]

I was testing Nikke Deck and I saw that Emilia no longer has CS settings
Nothing has changed with her and it's just a site thing, right?

[broken lark]

👍 was only once

[magic onyx]

Can anyone make me teams for SP arena?

[limber anchor]

How do I counter this team?

[green dawn]

Anyone got any ideas how to beat these comps? I can just about beat the middle comp with moran lib sbs blanc thelm but I haven't had any luck with the other two, noise and noah just get nuked and label can't negate the tvesti damage in the scarlet comp. Might be just a hard cp diff but I'm open to ideas

[fast skiff]

Copy the bottom teams and attack his Scarlet and Noah team
Use the Moran team against his Noah team
And the Noah team against his Scarlet team

[fast skiff]

Try mine ^ and use it on the Moran team and Jackal
Avoid the Noah team
Fight the Moran team with Moran/Cindy team
And use the Noise/Noah team on that scarlet team
I’m also up against someone 50 something synchros above me for rank 1 SA

[quick lake]

Moran Jackal is not a good combo

Blanc mis-indom too

[fast skiff]

Oh I’m adjusting teams all the time can u help me make mine then?

Def need assistance on my defense teams

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message
Team ideas all here

[fast skiff]

I lowkey don’t wanna give my opponent new ideas

[quick lake]

Moran Noah Helm flex flex works great nowadays

[quick lake]

Ya, thats another consideration also

[fast skiff]

That’s why I’m holding off making proper teams he’s 50 above me

[thin abyss]

I don't think you can, the power gap is huge
If it weren't for that, you'd beat the first team with a slow Cinderella team, and the second with any 2RL team that has Noah and Helm, as for the 3rd probably any 2RL team with Moran and Bay

[quick lake]

T2: Scar Trina RH Centi Jackal
T3: Noah Biscuit Cindy HelmT Rumani

Pray ur CP is high enough

[green dawn]

tysm it worked (I changed centi for swha for a little cp bump)

[quick lake]

Nice!! Smart choice!!

Better to send screenshots from in game, horizontal, sorted by CP

[fast skiff]

me too

I havent won CA yet and i wanna quit pvp after

1 sec

@quick lake

No Label, Emilia

[quick lake]

Scar Trina LaplaceT BSoda Jackal
Moran Noah HelmT SWHA Drake
Noise Bay Centi VestiTU Rumani

[fast skiff]

Last 2 teams?

[worldly osprey]

my luck after over a year of not getting anything from the standard banner

[lethal karma]

Just asking it out there how do i know for sure my targeted unit will get blanc indom? I know the bottom line of needing them to be lowest hp by checking from shooting range, my team was jackal swha blanc biscuit ada yet i remember railtracer telling me to only worry for jackal swha for ada, not biscuit, why is that

My biscuit was also the lowest hp of the bunch when i checked

[crystal flicker]

Jackal will share equal damage with 2 Attacker, so whoever has lowest HP when entering the battle will get the Indom
Unless you have single target HP buff

And dispell

[lethal karma]

Oh so i always need to only worry towards jackal and 2 attackers? I see

[oak smelt]

Anyway there is no sure way to know for defense as this comp is quite easily countered, for attack just see what the opponent uses

[gaunt pulsar]

not really, if for example you position battery units or some other unit without overhead on hp outside of jackal link at p3 position > attacking vesti can drop her hp so much that she becomes indom target

[lethal karma]

So the right mindset is to keep those battery/other units out from attack range of whatever team youre up against right?

[gaunt pulsar]

depends, just be mindful of how you position your units, saving blanc at p4 position is a strat but if your p3 is some un-invested/low core/dolles poor soul enemy could cause them to be the target of indom, potentially

i prefer to still use blanc in p2/p3, invested in her, and attacked my competition enough to know that she isn't dying to vesti, and speaking of link even if blanc herself is usually always outside of it her hp doesn't really matter as she cannot indom herself, as long as she surviving until throwing her indom correctly - you good

[lethal karma]

Id like to think that biscuit in p4 also helped in maintaining that indom yea? In my case my biscuit was squishy, even lower than swha hp so forcing her into against what was vesti team at the time did help

[gaunt pulsar]

you can do jackal/blanc/attacker/bisc/attacker it will cause blanc and jackal hp to stop at around 50% and blanc will choose lowest hp unit normally without you worrying of her dying before that happens, the only target that can potentially recieve dmg there are p3 attacker from vesti and p5 from any enemy SR, p4 bisc receives dmg only from swha and it shouldn't be enough to make her indom target

[gritty ridge]

[gaunt pulsar]

p5 can be non anything, as long as they are inside the link and has higher hp that p3

[quick lake]

I dont encourage Jackal + Biscuit.

Typically is P1 P2 linked + Jackal

Or do

Blanc DPS biscuit
Idea for this is Blanc get biscuit’s invuln, then P2 receives splash dmg and because lowest HP to get indom.

Generally its Blanc DPS biscuit flex Defender, so that P5 wont have the lowest HP (due to opponent SR atking P5)

[gaunt pulsar]

^

[quick lake]

i gave u 3 teams fyi

[lethal karma]

Ok i get the blanc dps bisc comp but wdym by p1 p2 linked + jackal?

[quick lake]

Usually its eg

LinkedP1 LinkedP2 flex Blanc Jackal

So just need to P1 vs P2, the DPS bursting has to be the lowest HP

Jackal link shares dmg evenly. So just need to go to nikke stat screen and check that ur bursting DPS has the lowest HP

Note Defender and supporter has 1.2 and 1.1x more HP than atkers (iirc)

[lethal karma]

Oh ok so theyre positioned like that to maximalize survivability + ensure blanc indom

[quick lake]

Yep! And always ensure that ur P1 linked unit has tempering cube and sr15 as well. Dmg recieved is based on P1 attacked

[rich quail]

What cube does Nayuta need for CA?

She is on sg team

[gaunt pulsar]

this one is for attack usually, not def because if jackal isn't p1 enemy just gonna choose on their own what to do with your team, p1 can be stunned forcing you to burst with p2, rosanna can remove link allowing them to just kill p1 unit earlier, and when you don't know what enemy gonna attack you with you cannot even be sure if they will take the bait and stun p1 and what unit to keep where, the only possible scenario to do that on def assuming enemy doesn't have rosanna and you just have to deal with uncertainty of them stunning anything or not is to use > swha/thelm/red hood(preferably blanc)/blanc or red hood again/jackal, that give you:
red hood buff, thelm provides buff + lifesteal and if your indom target is swha as soon as she leaves stun she still shoots her rh buffed shots with her own attack buffs, but it's kinda sketchy setup still, there some variation to it that can be done but usually you only do p1 p2 linked + jackal p5 when you attacking someone because it's easier to choose your own better b1 unit

[lethal karma]

Oh yea for sure, i was only talking in attacking team aspect, since youd have to account for single possibility in def team

Its just that the mechanic has been bugging me for a week that i got curious enough to ask

[gaunt pulsar]

ah well, then for attack it's one of the better ones because you can use siren stun to your advantage(force her to stun your second b3 unit at p1 while still bursting with prefered b3 at p2), allows you to choose better b1 unit than jackal for buff, allows to choose where you place your blanc depending on enemy vesti

[lethal karma]

Never thought that was possible

Then again im a pvp dunce so i dont know much in the first place

[spiral onyx]

It's actually kinda wild how this game doesn't provide any passive defence buff/advantage

[tribal hollow]

[knotty beacon]

This new?

[tribal hollow]

Aye, just showed up. Though dated February 12 for some reason?

Unless that already happened and they're literally just notifying that they fixed the other two things, which of course means Centi is still cooked

[arctic jewel]

Do I have to stun with Rapunzel or is there a better way to deal this?

Here's rest of the teams

[gaunt pulsar]

lib nuke takes too long, they will get noah shield even if you stun, will work if you use scarlet as your b3 though, but imo, better to just swha there, they have no bisc, no ability to pressure you after his lib nuke gets blocked, so it's easier to deal with that with unit that have dps for full duration on burst, like swha, vesti

[arctic jewel]

If SWHA and Vesti are used in T1 and T2?

Oh btw

[gaunt pulsar]

it was old post that they updated with "3", because previously "known issues" only had 1 and 2

[arctic jewel]

Should I switch places with Siren and Rosanna?

[gaunt pulsar]

i didnt mean to use both, just either one should work

[tribal hollow]

Ah, frakkin' hell. Oh well...

[arctic jewel]

Nonono, I mean they're not available, since SWHA is already used for T1 and Vesti is already used in T2

[arctic jewel]

@gaunt pulsar

[gaunt pulsar]

why? you selling off your p1 and p2 to his vesti so you could get huge amount of energy, or it's not the strat that you was going for? switching rosanna with siren kinda defeats the purpose, unless your siren survives until burst which causes you to burst with her

[arctic jewel]

Yeah, Siren survived the last time and burst

[gaunt pulsar]

sec, will look it up then

[arctic jewel]

No defensive Cube either, just Resilience

But SBS was eliminated

[gaunt pulsar]

is your t2* winning?

[arctic jewel]

Last time I lost, but that's because I forgot to give Vigor to Ada

[small gale]

does pierce go through noah's invul?

[gaunt pulsar]

you can move swha to t3 instead of lib, should be a win.
and lib can go to t1, but we changing it to:
sbs/nayuta/centi(or trina)/lib/rosanna

[gaunt pulsar]

no, nothing goes through invul

[small gale]

what does pierce do then?

[quick lake]

All we need is to require 3/3 wins in SPA to be considered a win. Makes pvp more exciting

[arctic jewel]

I believe it goes through Raptures and other objects (can hit multiple objects), relevant in PvE

Unless there's an usage in PvP that I'm unaware of

[gaunt pulsar]

goes through cover i think, actually not sure what other qualities it has in pvp, was never really interested

[arctic jewel]

Hmmmm, ok, let me record this

@gaunt pulsar Just to be safe, should I give Tempering to Vesti in T2?

[gaunt pulsar]

bastion, unless you really good on ammo already

[arctic jewel]

Ok, then we good

@gaunt pulsar

[gaunt pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1230299568063647784/1445331208203403377/ezgif.com-speed.webp

[arctic jewel]

Nayuta is a cutie

[arctic jewel]

Sounds like a property/mechanic that's not super relevant

[small gale]

Does Liberalio have as much damage as Scarlet?

[gaunt pulsar]

from burst? more

[small gale]

really wow. I'll switch to her

[gaunt pulsar]

her burst takes way longer to land though, scarlet is still one of your best option to wipe clean and fast

[small gale]

oh but she doesn't benefit from Trina too

[hollow lagoon]

she does

but she self buff very hard so

not necessary

[gaunt pulsar]

not in the same way as scarlet

[hollow lagoon]

trina is basically made for scarlet with like some oversight on moran anyway

and anti synergy with jill

[leaden canyon]

Guess this is what I'll try for CA this time

[ancient sun]

what is optimal cube placement for this team?

[gaunt pulsar]

tempering/vigor
bastion/quantum
vigor
vigor/tempering or any other
quantum

[leaden canyon]

I should probably throw quantums on lib and noah to make it 2RL right?

[candid pawn]

sir is there some template for special arena team

oh i mean is the pin one still work

its updated right

[leaden canyon]

#pvp-arena message yes its updated

[crystal flicker]

that sg is not 2RL

[leaden canyon]

I am aware

[crystal flicker]

And Lib better get 2RL Quantum

[leaden canyon]

Its a common sg team in CA

The hope is you kill 1 and sac one of yours for it to be 2RL

works most of the time

[leaden canyon]

yeah I quantum lib and noah

[crystal flicker]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177116972593463316/1481602287448101000/image.png?ex=69b53aa8&is=69b3e928&hm=89ce1ca01d9a56af16772522f85b98c7fb397b36ed1e1adf01133d6b1ce0bad3&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
I'm trying diff combination lol

[candid pawn]

tbh i confuse reading that like almost them use same supp unit

[oak hatch]

1 kill is barely under 2rl which is probably good enough usually and 2 kills can be faster than 2 rl if fast kills

Noir might be better/easier to sac

[tropic summit]

and then you're defending and laplace ros nayuta hit p1 and bsoda and noir hit p5

i've seen this before

[tropic summit]

depends on what you facing anyway, 2RL or 2.5RL are both fine, arguably 2RL is a bit more resistant to early damage and less teams that can wipe it early

[leaden canyon]

ello rail, on lunch break?

[leaden canyon]

oh yeah I did actually do noir nayuta b.soda drake rosanna, forgot to update the nikke deck

[tropic summit]

ye 4 more hours to go to freedom of the weekend

[shell hazel]

how smart we working today?

[leaden canyon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/freedom-braveheart-musical-theater-6901DbEbbm4o0

[tropic summit]

only this morning, in the afternoon i'll go in the office

[shell hazel]

free doom eh? I'll take it lol

https://tenor.com/view/doom-gif-25908805

[leaden canyon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ThisIsMashed-animation-animated-mashed-vCOco9kAGWAKXHth1k

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

makes you wonder if they'll fix centi probably unwanted extra burst gen for the enemies, but we coping since they did nothing about poli and they'll just slap "working as intended, as shields count as additional hitbox"

[crystal flicker]

Should I use RH in SW Blanc comp or she's not needed?

[raven plover]

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta naga swha rh emilia
• jackal siren blanc cindy trina
• xmaiden rouge helmt noir noah

Notes

• there's... a lot to work on here:
• your utilties atm are the main issue, most if not all of them are doll-less and look on the lower side of invested, namely:

noah, biscuit, cent, jackal, trina, noise

• some pvp core units are also doll-less and looking pretty uninvested, namely:

emilia, vestiTU, moran (treasure her asap), laplace (can be treasured later on), liberalio could also use some improvement

Priority:

1. fix jackal asap, you'll unlock indoms, this is for both attacking and defending
2. moran treasure, yesterday, you need her in most if not all content, great unit overall
3. emilia, this unit can enable a lot of patterns in both attack an defense
4. all other utilities, especially batteries, centi, rumani, trina, noah. Noise and vestiTU built will also increase your patterns available
5. other units on the medium term to consider: rosanna, ada, rapunzel, soda, leave these for last though

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit btw rail, I'm at the point where none of my defenses work

SP arena defense is so cooked

this and any variations of it have not worked, I feel like I need to do random bs now

[tropic summit]

try to get creative, especially play around indoms and swha helmt archetypes, those are the ones you can push with the most

you can also commit all your burst gen to 2 teams and run nayuta or blanc slow cindy variants, as they still cost some units to get around to

then you can push difficulty on the other 2

130-150% to 2RL swha helmt is no joke

[leaden canyon]

I remember the rumani cindy nayuta biscuit mihara set up, how do you set up blanc version again?

I feel like I always set up the blanc version wrong

I think its rumani mihara blanc biscuit cindy?

[shell hazel]

there are a bunch of versions of it I think

that should work though

[leaden canyon]

look at that speed on the blanc team

ended up putting ada instead of xmaiden because apprently maiden doesn't improve it anyway

nvm it does, I was just comparing it to scarlet rosanna which it didn't change the speeds

back to maiden to speed it up

[quick lake]

This was my highest defence rate setup

could replace LapT with Emilia

[leaden canyon]

I'm just so hesitant to run scarlet on defense because of label now

my bracket sucks so I dont think those would work

[quick lake]

idk how common ppl use Label these days

[raven plover]

swap soda with ros

[quick lake]

both annoying definitrly

[oak smelt]

But does not matter though, Label is a hard counter and if your someone attcking you have that unit then its a easy win.
Kind of funny how Label just invalidates Scarlet comp these day

[quick lake]

I still dont think there’s a reliable way to win Soda stun

[oak smelt]

Before Label then its simply to fish out Scarlet nuke and let Bay tank it

[quick lake]

Hm maybe. My bracket pvp is really active. If I used label cp tanks alot

[leaden canyon]

I still dont have soda overloaded

and I need to overload my velvet still

[quick lake]

could do Priv + Siren. That’s how I get through Indom nowadays

Annoying pvp brackets call for unique team ideas

[candid pawn]

if i dont have trina what to change ?

[oak smelt]

Trina is mainly a battery or just enables Scarlet, just use the next highest available battery you have

[atomic bone]

Whatever happened to the pinned "PvP burst gen calculator by CN bros: https://nikke.work/" The link is dead now.

[raven plover]

its nikke.top now

[atomic bone]

I see now. Thanks a lot!

[covert lintel]

is your bracket no knowledge of pvp?

[covert lintel]

Just bang it with ros

Soda can't do anything when her team atker all die

[quick lake]

oh thanks, will update

nikke deck is moving domain too

[lunar pawn]

Now we hope

First time I'm not the lowest cp I think

[quick lake]

not really. My bracket is decently sweat. Can drop from 1st to 7th

[fair pivot]

Got a rough group, my absolute comp in nayutas and sg in biscuits RIP

[atomic bone]

Didn't know that, thanks for the heads up.

[crystal flicker]

[lunar pawn]

Good or bad?

[crystal flicker]

I need to know whos attacking and whos defending tbh

[covert lintel]

yet they failed simple teams like that

@swift mango i'm trolling

[torn obsidian]

@covert lintel mm yes i meet fah in top 16 bracket again, amazing

[covert lintel]

Beat him again

[torn obsidian]

again

i think i lost 9 won 1

[covert lintel]

[shell hazel]

which group are you in

[crystal flicker]

6

[shell hazel]

i'm in 34, was wrong image before lol

[shell hazel]

good luck, I don't check teams just hope for the best 😄

[crystal flicker]

yeh fr

[oak hatch]

Which group #?

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit so, im currently in 6th place and i could go against either 4th guy(this)

Or this third guy

Which one you can help with? Itll be better if i can take down the third guy but i still lack my nayuta build, make sure to tag my name im going to have dinner rn

[fair pivot]

35. You?

[oak hatch]

53. Checked ur group and top 2 guys do seem real tough for u :/

[fair pivot]

OK You'll be feasting in that group.
I am the second in my group, now we wait

[oak hatch]

Yeah both the cn guys I meant, at least u hard counter both their absolute teams as well

Zero ditched his absolute this season not sure that was a good decision

[fair pivot]

He had also built Vesti with full CS right. Will be a bit of a waste in other comps

[oak hatch]

Yeah and only 8 ammo vesti gonna be interesting to see how indom works out for him

[swift mango]

Looks how I wasted my MoranT this CA.

[gaunt pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1463241042437341264/IMG_0247.gif

[umbral crown]

Waos

[swift mango]

Maybe I should get some luck after 20 season of not winning CA too.

[swift mango]

Yeah, I was reading a fun comic today so I just used 5 mins to edit my team as usual... Then I saw Moran not used and just putting her here to replace Nero.

[hollow lagoon]

I’m Pertty ded

[wet torrent]

I have updated my roster significantly since making my last arena team, so Im a little lost. Could someone please suggest the best rookie arena team with these nikkes?
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?openid=MjkwODAtMTQ1NTE0Njg2MTYzNzQxOTg1MjY=

[frank ingot]

wait a second

he's in my group

am I done for?

[covert lintel]

phase 2 centi+ slow cindy
What if your team meet 2rl libby

[torn obsidian]

this team straight loses to lib anyway

but the p2 centi can improve other matchups

though i don't really like a bursting centi

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[covert lintel]

centi burst is not improved at all

[umbral crown]

No more ei next to your name

[torn obsidian]

as in the concept of p2 centi in this team

[strong hull]

Isnt that a good sign?

[torn obsidian]

bursting centi is grief tho

[strong hull]

[umbral crown]

Depends

[strong hull]

2 years is long enough im going to touch grass

[gentle merlin]

@stuck pike this is why 🥹 the diamond 3 at my group is I think double my CP

[limber anchor]

It worked, thank you!

[lunar pawn]

why

[hollow lagoon]

bunch of higher rank people kek

[lunar pawn]

that doesn't mean anything in CA though

[swift mango]

Nah they don't have enough gen in CA for 1 rl

[swift mango]

Who are you in my group?
Don't worry my team not really good anyway.

[cobalt lotus]

Does helm burst target get affected by moran taunt?

[lunar pawn]

by any taunt, really

[harsh echo]

holymoly nayuta

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit waifu

[tropic summit]

simp

i'll be just like you when rossi comes out

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

@oblique gyro how is gluttony going?

[spark granite]

Hii any way to beat these teams

[shell hazel]

depends if your cp is near theirs or not

[spark granite]

Oh they are

[shell hazel]

t2 lib is a poor b3 you can catch it with noah

t3 snow white is good and all but you can over whelm b2 bay

t1 prob the most annoying

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• naga anchorIM vestiTU liter drakeT
• viper miranda privaty centi tia
• anis siren rrh biscuit liberalio

Rookie

• drakeT RRH vestiTU centi siren

[spark granite]

Any recommendations on teams to use for those?

[oblique gyro]

hey buddy, i am missing some damage sadly, i have checked on youtube some kills before 521, my SWHA is dealing same damage as their mihara, but my rapi seems to be the issue. At first, i thought she would be enough, sadly it is not enough

[shell hazel]

I have a vid of gluttony let me get it for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJBg3tA2cMM

SW can work here but you need her stacked

you don't take much damage so HelmT is optional

I did try with SW/Priv etc but this wound up working for me

[oblique gyro]

mhmh

[shell hazel]

this was a fun fight in the end but had to time crown invuln sometimes

this took me a lot of tries

[oblique gyro]

is it enough to kill ?

[shell hazel]

I worked out I could ignore crown taunt some if i ate half of the initial thing on shield/hp lol

watch my video closely and it's to the wire almost

[shell hazel]

your ele is higher than mine but atk is a bit less

[oblique gyro]

ok i'll try then, thank you. for mast, you only use her at 3 stacks right ? also when it's helm turn ?

[shell hazel]

yes but mainly due to when stuff shows up, you need crown shield for whip

[shell hazel]

if someone gets whipped they must be covererd during the aoe bombs

[oblique gyro]

ofc yes

[shell hazel]

gl 🙂

[oblique gyro]

ty !

[spark granite]

What teams can beat theirs, our cp is similar

[shell hazel]

I can't promise victory but copy their t2 - swap lib for vesti TU

for t3 indom SW

vigor on ada, quant on jackal

their t2 should win just running same but Vesti TU instead of lib

if you lack built Ada other options may work here

[spark granite]

Ok

[shell hazel]

do check cp, need to be within 15% or so

[tropic summit]

run either of these, as one breaks use the other

• nayuta vestiTU rh swha helmt
• vesti helmt swha siren noah
• swha vestiTU blanc rh jackal
• helmt vestiTU swha rh noah

[wet torrent]

Thank you so much for the reply I was about to repost. You are a saint

[wild hemlock]

@umbral belfry

[shell hazel]

actually this layout may be better, we get to use biscuit then

but same concept

[modern lake]

Is there a good way to defeat a VestiTU, Blanc. SWHA comp.

And do I have to be within deficit for it to work?

[shell hazel]

moranT will def feed to 2RL

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-attenborough-whip-whipped-whiplash-whiplashed-gif-16685949900343051341

@umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

it's my off day

[shell hazel]

you prob surrounded by doggos again

[umbral belfry]

soon

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-damn-it-dammit-i-knew-it-not-surprised-gif-22020226

[spark granite]

Ty I’m about to try these now, I’ll keep you updated

[shell hazel]

please rec/show cp if you can

[spark granite]

Mhm! I always do for @tropic summit

[shell hazel]

[spark granite]

I remember when they was baffled at the enemy’s nayuta clearing my team because of a crit

Good times

[shell hazel]

haven't had any opponents really running nayuta in mine so far

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-cute-66

[tropic summit]

depends on the full team

[shell hazel]

i'm grabbing some food, if my idea fails please see if @tropic summit will look at 2nd try @spark granite 🙂

[tropic summit]

i had 🍕

[spark granite]

Kk Tyty

[tropic summit]

we reached weekend, i need the 🍕

[spark granite]

I had 🍔

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-joey-tribbiani-matt-le-blanc-pizza-yum-gif-13445240518684729311

[spark granite]

Because 5 guys bogo

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pizza-anime-2

[shell hazel]

5 guys pretty good tbh

bogof?

[spark granite]

[spark granite]

There was a promo buy one get one burger free until the 12th

I used the promo to pick up the food today

[shell hazel]

that was yesterday for me 😄

smart though

I like their fries, so many

[vernal galleon]

whats the best team that I can use for rookie arena? currently im just using the highest cp ones

[spark granite]

I made so many accounts and used friends phone numbers for 4 days

[spark granite]

Cajun large makes me live in bliss

[shell hazel]

cajun is good

it's like a whole stacked plate on large lol

[vernal galleon]

I also have this box to use if any of the unowned nikkes in here is needed

[spark granite]

I made it last for 3 meals

[spark granite]

Blanc

[shell hazel]

I can see why!

good stuff, brb!

[spark granite]

You won’t need Blanc for rookie but if you ever wanna do sp arena she will make a good supporter

[tropic summit]

• nayuta helmt rh swha lib (quantum on swha lib, lvl 3+)
• jackal nayuta cindy helmt swha
• helmt vestiTU SWHA anchorIM RH

[spark granite]

Nvm listen to railtracer ^

[vernal galleon]

ah aight thanks, ill use these for sp arena but which of these teams in particular should I use for rookie arena since only one team

[tropic summit]

those are all rookie patterns

it's not SP arena teams

use one, if it starts breaking use other and repeat

when all 3 break get new ones

[modern lake]

Here’s one example. I think 1 different person change out jackal and helm with stuff like biscuit and RH.

But in general I have a difficult time dealing with the aftermath of either SWHA or Vesti wiping me out.

I’m slightly above deficit like 16~20% too so I’m wondering if it’s even worth trying to figure out a way to beat them cause the stat difference might just be too big.

[vernal galleon]

oh ok, which would you recommend starting with?

[tropic summit]

in this one you could try killing blanc or killing their p1 and p3 via rosanna

alternatively force them to misindom and then stall them with lifesteal

[tropic summit]

here's 3 examples of those approaches

T1: assumes rosanna is linked, p1 should be SWHA or helmT depending on who you've linked
T2: no particular conditions, will lifesteal trade off against SWHA offburst
T3: will attempt killing p2 before enemy can burst

no matter which approach you take of the above, you still need 940kCP+ to avoid penalty

[modern lake]

So if I’m in penalty would it probably be not worth it to try?

[tropic summit]

don't bother fighting arena against meta comps when you're gapped, you're in for an headache

[vernal galleon]

is there any team in particular from these that you would recommend starting with? also are there any specific teams that I should avoid challenging to avoid losses

[modern lake]

Okay thank you.

[tropic summit]

they're all strong teams on their own, run the 1st and the 2nd first

the first will handle anything that is not a noah 2RL

[vernal galleon]

ok thanks pro, and i can use this same team for the defence side too right?

[tropic summit]

they're defense teams to begin with

on attack you should use teams that counter what you facing

until you grow more familiar with archetypes and how to play you can run on both def and atk

[scarlet adder]

cindy and lib burst attacks at similar time like 1 second after? or is one faster than the other?

[vernal galleon]

ahh aight, makes sense, does team order matter in pvp? also from the nikkes you recommended, what priority should I give in terms of investing?

[tropic summit]

yes team order matters a lot

all weapon classes from the enemy side shoot p1, aside from SGs that shoot your p5
when you attack, your SR will shoot p5 and SGs will shoot p1

[tropic summit]

as for units, SWHA, VestiTU, moranT, jackal would be a good start

[tribal hollow]

Yep... What a travesty

[vernal galleon]

aight thnx pro, ill use the first team you gave, its only lib and swha not built from them, im assuming its ele and atk to go for in terms of ol right?

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit idk how it worked but it worked

[undone blaze]

What does that mean? If they're in that position they'll shoot at that speed?

[tropic summit]

no it's the burst gen at each tier

take this team for example:

this team is 2.5RL, because it produces 91% of the burst gen need to hit 2RL and 101% of the burst gen needed to reach 2.5RL

meaning you're off of a bit to hit natural 2RL, but you're good enough to hit the burst gen needed to burst at 2.5RL

now what happens if you replace one of those units with a better battery

say you remove centi for helmt, now the team has enough burst gen to hit natural 2RL

[tropic summit]

both SWHA and lib want 40%atk and 80-90% ele if possible

push toward those lines

[spark granite]

@tropic summit the second team did the trick but as for the third team…my SWHA is hella built so Blanc picks ada still even with the vigor cube, I even max out her gear lvls that has hp and went to union testing range, same results.

[tropic summit]

check links and HP in shooting range before running indom

[spark granite]

Tho for some reason, when I check the stats in the pause screen, Ada has 17m hp and SWHA has 13m

[spark granite]

That was my first mistake I should have tested the indom like we did for vesti back then

[tropic summit]

either way you were sent to run indom SWHA with ada against their T3?

[spark granite]

Yes

It looked like it would have worked if SWHA was able to get her hit off

[tropic summit]

hmm i'm not sure it would've worked

that team mitigates indom

[spark granite]

Oooo

I have the recording also

[tropic summit]

rather just run blanc biscuit variant of indom

that way you can double buff vestiTU

[long python]

Hello, anyone got SP teams with the strongest units I have atm?

[spark granite]

So I just replace SWHA with vestiTU?

[tropic summit]

i'd rather take a different approach, is your rosanna 40%atk?

[spark granite]

Let me check her lines

Haha no

[tropic summit]

is your bay treasured

[spark granite]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-crown-crown-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-gif-4378501347400106014

[spark granite]

Yes

[tropic summit]

ok let's have some popcorn fight

[spark granite]

Kk

[tropic summit]

actually scrap vesti, we can do something even easier on T2

no need to mess with links at least

[spark granite]

Ok

[tropic summit]

the only question is if we actually need biscuit though in T3

time for science

considered that biscuitless moran bay can survive lib probably can survive SWHA unbuffed nuke (minor buff from moran)

[spark granite]

If it helps, my Moran is treasure tier 2 haha

[tropic summit]

will still do

[spark granite]

Any cubes needed for any of the ones without quantum?

[tropic summit]

noah tempering
crown any
biscuit vigor
lib any
rh any

moran tempering
bay tempering
helmt tempering
swha tempering
ada any

[spark granite]

I thought you wanted quantum on Noah

[tropic summit]

oh ye needed to reach 3RL

give her quantum 7

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

wondering if we gonna regret not slotting biscuit in there

but only one way to find out

[shell hazel]

I am now hungry for biscuits

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-feed-anime

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-bow-michael-scott-steve-carell-office-gif-14973267

[spark granite]

HUH?!

The results was not what I expected

Dming you both

[shell hazel]

you can't dm me I am invincible

[tropic summit]

you can put it here it's fine

[shell hazel]

just add here and delete in fairly short order if you worried they watching

[tropic summit]

reminds me where's that nekomata guy

[shell hazel]

bro I liked the guy but I could not hold any conversation

they just deleted it 2 mins later and you looked like a lunatic talking to yourself

[tropic summit]

what conversation? they're all gone

[spark granite]

If both of you accept my friend request I could

[shell hazel]

I dunno

in any case neko guy needed to learn to play

[tropic summit]

don't see any request

[spark granite]

I sent yours months back

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-banned-sakura-anime-spray-gif-22585378

[spark granite]

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

send it again i don't see it

[spark granite]

MONTHS BACK

and kk

[undone blaze]

My burst is faster, shouldn't I be winning this?

[tropic summit]

except your cindy in p1 gives enemy RL units 1.75x increased burst gen

[spark granite]

@shell hazel address me 🐘

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dahliabunni-angel-beats-gif-22681248

[spark granite]

Accept my request pls

[undone blaze]

Hmmm I thought it was a good idea since she's tanky. So who should my p1 and p2 be? noah and jackal?

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

not the CP tetris again

[warm monolith]

Then against 4th guy it is

[tropic summit]

looks like still CP tetris tho

[warm monolith]

Not bad as 3rd one, also has more options

[tropic summit]

oh wait i see hope

[warm monolith]

I couldve beaten him myself but he fixed the indom on t3

[tropic summit]

run this team in shooting range and tell me if rosy is linked

helmt nayuta swha ros jackal

[warm monolith]

The jumping jackal one, right? Yeah, she gets it

She and helm

[tropic summit]

damn that's perfect

now for the other team

[spark granite]

Can you believe this? @tropic summit

[shell hazel]

I don't want to add friends just post it here 😄

[tropic summit]

@warm monolith show CP

[tropic summit]

T1 self made slower indom by Curt won the tradeoff
T2 lib needs to be 3.5RL, noah 2RL still catches it, won anyway because enemy spent years attacking invulnerable p1
T3 needed biscuit afterall

[shell hazel]

just delete it a few mins after you post it

[shell hazel]

I knew biscuit was important 😮

[placid bloom]

4% battery remaining

[tropic summit]

soon to lose touch with the internet

[spark granite]

Biscuit is important in my heart

[warm monolith]

T2 1.025.068 t3 1.02.3.448

[tropic summit]

and what CP do we need

[warm monolith]

Wait lemme calculate

[tropic summit]

1025k and 998k

[warm monolith]

I calculated 984k for t2, wait lemme redo maybe i did a mistake

No its 984k?

[tropic summit]

probably

0.846

remind me your vestiTU is 5%+CS?

[warm monolith]

About 8-9%

[tropic summit]

oke better start praying this is enough CP without helmT

[warm monolith]

Oof

[tropic summit]

lemme guess no CP

[warm monolith]

Wait lemme calc the exact amount

Maybe it is

[tropic summit]

[warm monolith]

It is

[tropic summit]

there's gonna be a problemo

[warm monolith]

No deficit

[tropic summit]

but let's give it a shot

believe in rumani supremacy

if this fails we gonna use your wife

[warm monolith]

Why you saying that now :(

[tropic summit]

[warm monolith]

Yeah, collapsed

[tropic summit]

record

[warm monolith]

K ill send it

[tropic summit]

@warm monolith meanwhile

run jackal ein blanc trina vestiTU in shooting range
equip vestiTU with vigor right away

[warm monolith]

It only uploads now :(