pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

you better clear that sh*t at 681

so i can open boxes too

[lone sequoia]

or ask a pve wizard to play for you... just avoid the black magic

[tropic summit]

and the day after account banned for using third party tools

[glad meteor]

Whel and game like PVtEo

[rich quail]

I AM NOT A WHEL

ARA

[glad meteor]

Wait for aliceT in july

[lone sequoia]

ET is in the shower or on the way to work... maybe both

[rich quail]

[swift mango]

I just got an Ele line 1 for Midhara after 8 rock, and throw away ATK line, she is 60% Ele now... I remember she was actually had Ele line 1 before but I rerolled for ATK to dodge helm.

It's full cycle

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-blush-gif-25289516

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

this is why you always have no rocks

[tropic summit]

very questionable choices by blood, then again he's a questionable person to begin with

[swift mango]

I wished I could get a line 2-3 Ele or ATK so I could try to get both lines but it's always line 1 of either.

[tropic summit]

just lock atk or ele in 3rd line and reroll from there ya tool

[swift mango]

Like I said, I can't get them on line 2 or 3 did you read the comment

[shell hazel]

just get lucky it's that easy

[tropic summit]

you grab your piece
you look at that MF and you tell yourself "i keep rerolling until i get atk or ele on 3rd line"
you find that little shit, even in 10-20 rolls if it takes that, then you lock it and reroll
you repeat this process for each piece

[swift mango]

I don't have a line 2-3 AtK/Ele so how do I lock them?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-wizard-cat-by-demonwolf-mage-cat-magic-cat-gif-2835561615176791073

[swift mango]

I got 1 line 1 Ele in 20 x 1 rock rolls

[tropic summit]

that's RNG bias, it takes 10-20 rolls for a damn atk or ele on 3rd line

hell there's a chance you get atk and ele on 1st and 2nd line during those rerolls

[swift mango]

Not for me in the last 3 months

[tropic summit]

my god call an exorcist

[swift mango]

Best I got was 20 rocks for a line 3 Crit dmg which I would lock on units like SW but it's still rare.

[tropic summit]

next unit better luck surely

[covert lintel]

Is tempering become pve based

[swift mango]

I got lucky on SW when I roll for CP pad a line 1 Ele, and got a line 3 ATK. That's how I got 2atk on SW

Also, a lucky roll that gave line 1 Ele and line 2 atk, line 3 nothing.

That helped me finished the deal at around 200 rocks

Otherwise it would take 300+

[covert lintel]

How many atk needed for label

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

This is enough if you had some dupes. But need max skill

[covert lintel]

Still *0 but S2 10 already

I plan 7107
That's enough right?

[swift mango]

Nah I gave up and just CP pad as needed. Now that slight CP padding done for Midhara. I would save 300 rocks for 24% Emi.

Maybe I would need 1000 but 300 is a good start

[covert lintel]

I see, same as me
Still copium emi

[swift mango]

Like when I lock line 2+3 a MG, it gives CS 3 times in a round. But when I lock 2+3 Emi it gives a hit rate.

[covert lintel]

I would love to see SU make a report on nikke who ate rocks the most in their half anniv

[covert lintel]

you still find cs?
Not reset attributes?

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

my 2nd level 10 cube

[swift mango]

I still lack 1 CS. It's always cost me like 100 rocks to 3 line a piece +2 lines I wanted anyway

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yay-yeah-14

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

https://giphy.com/gifs/starwars-star-wars-episode-3-3o84sq21TxDH6PyYms

[lunar pawn]

what could I run here

[swift mango]

I actually have 5.8% on one of Emi piece. I would reset attribute 1 rocks roll until 24%. I discard all the tier 11 and blue black line she already had anyway. I won't lock like you.

I know my luck

[tropic summit]

blanc biscuit cindy siren rumani (siren assumed highest atk in that team)

@swift mango who does rosanna target in p3 assuming no attackers on other side?

p2 p3 p4?

or default to p1 and p2?

[lunar pawn]

my siren has 0 atk lines

[swift mango]

No attacker? She would hit 1-2-3-4-5.

[tropic summit]

you better hope it's either cindy blanc or siren your highest atk%

[tropic summit]

oh oke so defaults to p1 and p2

[swift mango]

It's according to Merry test. I won't need to fill it

[tropic summit]

@lunar pawn a bit riskier but we can sacc mihara and put siren in p2

[lunar pawn]

yea cindy highest atk

by a large margin too

[tropic summit]

@swift mango helmT on blanc buff is lethal on cindy full HP?

iirc her nuke bypasses decoy

[swift mango]

No. She would hit her Decoy.

[tropic summit]

oh really then there's hope

@lunar pawn leggo

blanc biscuit cindy siren rumani

record and lets see ur cindy decoy helmT nukeroni

[lunar pawn]

[swift mango]

Unless decoy already destroyed.

[tropic summit]

there's only SWHA hitting her in p3

surely that's not enough to break decoy

[swift mango]

Unless your attacker 40+ AtK and core more than 3. It should be enough. Just bring her to training ground to test

[lunar pawn]

nice

[tropic summit]

@swift mango lmao

[lunar pawn]

his swha got cooked

[tropic summit]

cindy nearly soloed

shame we didn't get to see nukeroni on decoy

[lunar pawn]

used vigor cube on her too to be safe

[tropic summit]

if anything SWHA manages to hit cindy AND decoy together

[swift mango]

XMaiden burst stuck at Blanc.

[tropic summit]

hit decoy twice i wonder if it broke on 2nd shot

704k + 704k... how fat is decoy?

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit Sometimes, just swapping t2 with t3 helps

[swift mango]

Decoy is thick. 90% of Cindy HP so like 6-7m+ at his level.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/koshi-torako-shikanoko-9

[tropic summit]

yeah then it would've easily tanked helmT nukeroni

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

more than enough

[swift mango]

10m then

[tropic summit]

those 2 shots from SWHA did 10% of that decoy

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit who indoms

[tropic summit]

you put them in shooting range

look at HP after buffs and what not

there may be some weird rounding upon entering in battle

[swift mango]

Attraction rank 15? Someone is 15 years old and can't hide.

But yeah, you got indom

[swift mango]

Should be from left to right if same cube as well

[tropic summit]

i'd check HP in battle first

if it's even 1 hp difference because of rounding, it could get interesting

[swift mango]

Same cube, same doll, same base HP, same HP.

[tropic summit]

spaghetti code, i wouldn't trust

[glad meteor]

Prob whoevers left

[glad meteor]

[gritty ridge]

I uh, dont think im 15 lol

[tropic summit]

can't be 15 and train girls

[glad meteor]

Train?

[tropic summit]

ye he's a fitness trainer

gets them in shape

with his art

not only is he good at deficit warfare, i heard he got some skills with his hands

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

speaking of exercises @glad meteor #1285446090115514391 message

[glad meteor]

No access

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

Coomcord?

[tropic summit]

RPS

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

TEo going wild again

[rich quail]

TEo?

I know not of this “TEo”

I only know of

me

Railtracer

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/imposter-gif-22100680

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/star-wars-second-child

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-tentacles-there's-two-of-them-spongebob-squarepants-running-away-escape-gif-15582294904581027062

[glad meteor]

Bye biscuit = easy mode

[mint kite]

They found the solution

[tropic summit]

took a few def wins at least?

[mint kite]

It did not

[tropic summit]

run your current indom team in shooting range and confirm HP on SWHA jackal and siren

jackal blanc swha biscuit siren

also confirm swha and siren both have jumping jackal

[mint kite]

SWHA (6.7m HP) and Siren (7.6m HP) have jumping jackal

[tropic summit]

hmm ok so indom is set up correctly

let's test them further by pushing CP and keeping pressure on

[tropic summit]

run these next

T1 and T2 should be decently high in CP, T3 stays meta while keeping a more moderate CP

oh also let's fix positioning further in T2 on the assumption they using vestiTU

jackal ein blanc alice swha

lemme know if he beats these aswell next

[mint kite]

Ein & Alice take link?

[tropic summit]

ye that's fine

SWHA will be offburst and battery gen, ein will be ur indom

[mint kite]

I know that their Rosa can kill my water attackers

[tropic summit]

what we're trying this time is 2 teams that require them to pad

and can't be cleared with scar-jack and noah biscuit cindy

at least if on deficit

there's also 2 teams with SG pressure, which means one of the two they can't biscuit lock and have to run nayuta or moran

essentially just trying to force their hand

[glacial palm]

PvP chefs, can i have an update on pvp comps/meta please, im oldge

[mint kite]

What's the rationale behind putting an unlinked character at the back?

[glacial palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1036760639709921422/1475649644087214200/1771462807945604.gif

Gonna need some time to understand everything

[umbral crown]

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit 2 852 339 t1 ; 2 871 785,07 t2 ; 2 973 409 t3, apparently t3 isn't in deficit but t2 is and he said he can fix it with level 15 cubes because hes at 15.62% deficit

So with t2 not being in deficit that noah should get nuked

and t3 not deficit so should be fine

[terse abyss]

im quite impressed he has yet to beat me once

[swift zephyr]

I don't know why they do it, maybe they just don't like having unspent attacks. I haven't moved in over 70 days. It's nice not having to worry about PVP. Missing out on a single pull once every 2 weeks is a fair trade for not being hassled.

[vapid lake]

clip RL unit coming next? Follow last year trend

[spiral onyx]

I don't need more clip RLs, I need more Helms

Or another Blanc/Noah/Biscuit would be nice

[placid bloom]

next patch should be SR unit

so not likely

[arctic jewel]

yupp, sorry, I'm not able to beat Mirror Container, the only thing that is able to break 1 glass slipper is RH B1, Crown B2 and then RH B3, after that it just goes downhill

[rich quail]

What about Soline?

[pulsar bough]

Do you have Ein? I used her for Mirror Container

[arctic jewel]

Yeah I have, she probably has bad stat rolls on her OL gear

[lone nebula]

What does clipRL stand for?

[arctic jewel]

clip Rocket Launcher (I'm pretty sure)

[lone nebula]

Do we have an example of nikke in that category? Or is that all rocket launcher user

[leaden canyon]

@strong jolt

[spiral onyx]

Fixed, uploaded wrong video earlier
https://youtu.be/nowBGzgKEw0?si=c4Fe0iy_P4sFmiGK

[swift mango]

13

[lone nebula]

Moran Noah Helm SWHA RH
for this recommended team, is it possible to replace noah with someone else?

[raven plover]

clip means the unit reloads 3 times to refill the ammo instead once. we have clip RLs like trina centi anis jackal rumani, clip SGs like drake noir sugar bsoda. these units generates burst gen more than the non clip one. the link in pins should sort the units by burst gen

[ivory violet]

can run bay but it's not as good

[leaden canyon]

@strong jolt

[livid elbow]

Why does Noah get stun??

[umbral crown]

if siren p2 she will get stunned

[gritty ridge]

Good job ms.dareina

[umbral crown]

now rate my team

[gritty ridge]

Perfect

[placid bloom]

I think your team is too good, needs nerf tbh

[umbral crown]

need another copy for wallpaper

but maybe for last CA beta i could make a team with her, imagine winning last CA beta season with crow

[umbral belfry]

crow kept coming to my acc and now she's c7

[umbral crown]

Crow Treasure, trust

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

or gacha skin at least

i once met a boi with c7 crow, max doll, max skill and almost full black lines

[undone blaze]

My Noise dies before she can even burst most of the time, should I maybe swap Crown to P1 and Noise to P2? My Crown has about 11k more CP than Noise. There's not much I can do to raise her cp atm, only gotten one T9M support gear for her :\

Maybe once I get Quantum to lvl 4 that extra 3.5% might help her get burst off before she dies

[worldly osprey]

No more hidden buff and he has too much max core. Maybe i lose this time

[leaden canyon]

you will need a lot more than a quantum cube to get that to 2.5 rl

you need 15% cs on both jackal and noah plus a single quantum cube

no need to have crown on the team unless its a cp issue of you dropping too much into deficit against opponents

[glacial haven]

I need some advice, pls...

[undone blaze]

It's a pretty low cp, like 112k or so and crown is 29k of it

Also what is that site?

[glacial haven]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

If you want more detailed data...

https://nikke.top/

[leaden canyon]

you can kill that nayuta team with noah moran biscuit vesti SWHA

I would just skip round 1

or rosanna his SWHA and hope you can kill with scar blanc

[glacial haven]

Ok. One sec pls. I'm going to test it

[leaden canyon]

either way you win 2 other rounds

[glacial haven]

Rosanna is on T3.

[leaden canyon]

yeah just keep her there

[glacial haven]

Both on 2RL with a slight delay on my part.

Just hope Vesti can hold on

[leaden canyon]

Moran burst before nayuta should be fine

Can place a tempering cube on vesti if you're worried

you only need either SWHA or vesti to live anyway

Although if he does have more speed on cs rolls it could be concerning

Maybe moran noah vesti SWHA battery

could do trina

[glacial haven]

Yep

I was thinking that.

Trina, Rumani...

Worst case Ada

I can roll Vesti-SW setup and see what happens

[leaden canyon]

damage isn't a problem just the speed

[glacial haven]

If Trina goes instead Vesti, the difference is only 2 frames

[leaden canyon]

Thats assuming he has no cs rolls

it could be a better change if he does have more cs rolls

[glacial haven]

I got some CS rolls too. But isn't great. I can only hope he didn't invested too much on his batteries.

[leaden canyon]

if that gen is calculated with your cs rolls then I would be worried if he has more CS rolls

so trina just to be safe honestly

Unless you think moran and noah get killed without biscuit

which I dont think they should normally

[glacial haven]

This graphics is just a speculation. I think it calculates based on base stats. Since the gear lines variates from person to person.

That's the only base the data can rely on.

[leaden canyon]

You can add your CS rolls to your units

[glacial haven]

Really doubt that.

[leaden canyon]

in nikketop

[leaden canyon]

thats good

[glacial haven]

Oh..... Didn't know that. Thx for telling.

[leaden canyon]

Yeah just click the cog wheel in the top right of the units, you can also select which units have jackal link if running jackal with the middle top icon to the left of the cog wheel when jackal is on the team

[glacial haven]

Sigh.... Wont gonna work. CP is too low

[leaden canyon]

wait why is vesti out

[glacial haven]

Just checking CP

[leaden canyon]

ah

[glacial haven]

With Vesti, It's on the edge CP wise

[leaden canyon]

Tempering cubes on vesti and SWHA and just hope you dont get killed by nayuta, which I usually beat this with that team anyway

[glacial haven]

Vesti is running Resilience and SW is usually running Quantum.

[leaden canyon]

eh should be fine

[glacial haven]

Sorry. Vesti = Bastion

[leaden canyon]

if it dips you into deficit then put bastion back on and just send the team

[unique wagon]

Charjo Spido

[gritty ridge]

Bastion isnt the worst cube on vesti tbh

[glacial haven]

Because I was struggling with another player and she hasn't enough ammo. That's why she is running. (Yes, she got ammo lines.)

[gritty ridge]

I have to use bastion on vesti when I indom cuz i low rolled ammo

[leaden canyon]

Mine has 21 ammo which is troll

it needs to be 20, but she shoots 1 rocket after 20 and then reloads

waste of time

[tulip quest]

unless it's indom vs indom I don't think comps survive VesT anyways

[glacial haven]

Tbh, my Vesti got the perfect lines (I think). 4x ATK, 4x ELE, 2x AMMO, 2x CS

[leaden canyon]

you can do without 2 ele lines

[tulip quest]

KeripO chose ATK CS N CRIT RATE

[leaden canyon]

but thats good enough to keep

[unique wagon]

XMaiden has AS-

[glacial haven]

Wish me luck. Here goes nothing

[leaden canyon]

If you survive the nayuta, which moran burst will be up for, then you win

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/maury-sigh-gif-5851133302025912289

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-musanpro-nikke-doro-dorothy-gif-16158099313532557237

[leaden canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1315460961448230992/1404876344109568010/IMG_4218.gif

[gritty ridge]

Deficit

[leaden canyon]

nice

[glacial haven]

I REALLY need to learn this logic of thinking.

I get baffled as people around this tread manages to come up with tailored solutions to win the matches.

[leaden canyon]

That specific team is just really well known to counter

[glacial haven]

The Nayuta one?

[leaden canyon]

yeah

[glacial haven]

Oh... Didn't know that. I know the Vesti with indom, people usually skips because it's hard to counter

Or isn't worth the trouble

[wild drum]

yo u guys able to help me onnnnnn team because idk who i can beat

or maybe this person is easier to fight? i have no clue who to play for pvp

[glacial haven]

Take off SBS and put THelm

That Vesti team usually nags a easy win

[wild drum]

uh what

i don't understand

[glacial haven]

Your T2

[leaden canyon]

Nayuta trina helmT hood anis vs his round 2

jackel vesti blanc centi SWHA against his round 1

you idk what else you have to challenge his round 3 but biscuit with a defender counters sbs

[wild drum]

which guy the first guy or 2nd guy

[leaden canyon]

The first guy

[glacial haven]

First

[leaden canyon]

well actually anis might die to his S.anis

[glacial haven]

I dont think there's a problem.

[leaden canyon]

if anis dies it speeds up his team because rosanna but it probably still doesn't matter

[glacial haven]

If she shoots at least one time to fill the burst meter, it counts

There's this one too

[crystal flicker]

Did you really became #pvp-arena MA

[wild drum]

uh i have to change my attack team everyday?

[glacial haven]

For each person, yes

[leaden canyon]

I mean it needs to change for every person you attack because everybody runs different things

there is no one team wins all solution

[wild drum]

3rd team name anything but limiteds before summer event and no ada wong/jill

wait i forgot i have no cindy

[crystal flicker]

CP pad team

[leaden canyon]

Oh because I'm in here all the time now?

[wild drum]

yo i don't think this is gonna work

[crystal flicker]

ye

[leaden canyon]

PVE has been boring

[glacial haven]

44% deficit. It wont work

[wild drum]

helppppp

[unique wagon]

Hello Glitchy

PvE boring? Then what is PvP?

No existsent?

[wild drum]

idk

pve a lil boring BUT I STILL WANT TO PUSH ASAP MC IS LOCKING ME HELP

[leaden canyon]

ooof 33.70%, you are 1.6RL assuming you have no CS rolls

[unique wagon]

Hi in here all the time now Im kisenix

[unique wagon]

May I advise opening your wallet

[wild drum]

no i have syncro 241 which is "easy" but uh idk how to do MC

lowkey tessa had to teach me everytihng for MW

[leaden canyon]

I need to do ZZZ, wuwa and enfield stuff before reset, I just looked at the time

[leaden canyon]

You could jackal blanc biscuit vestiTU SWHA his round 3

should be fine

or set it up like jackal vesti blanc biscuit SWHA

his sbs wont be able to do anything to you

just to be safe with the link though put it like blanc vesti biscuit SWHA jackal I guess

I dont remember if jackal still damage shares while biscuit invul

[wild drum]

too late i wasted all my chances

[leaden canyon]

oh did you send it into round 1 lol?

because at that deficit it sucks

better to just go to the round 3

[wild drum]

no i did random

with original teams

[leaden canyon]

[gritty ridge]

I know hes lurking in here

He changed just the team that I was on the threshold of losing to

It feels like he put tempura on it

[unique wagon]

Better ping @fathom rock @stone wraith or @frank zephyr or @tidal lichen

Oh kricoun is Miku fan

[fathom rock]

I saw ping in pvp chat about mc am I dreaming

[wild drum]

Yes help

[fathom rock]

Can we change the rooms

[wild drum]

Oh wait can u help tommorow but like 3 hours earlier

[wild drum]

Yes

[fathom rock]

Waking up at 6am just for glitchy

[wild drum]

I can do 2 hours if u like

What time is it for u rn retro

[tidal lichen]

[unique wagon]

Are we now friends because we both like Miku

[tidal lichen]

yes

[tribal hollow]

Any ideas for defensive adjustments? The one thing I did recently was replace Scarlet with Moran in Round 3 which worked for a bit, but not quite now. I'm thinking slow Cindy's the weak point, but obviously can't be certain

Was wondering if having one of indom Vesti/SWHA and building a team around whichever isn't on that team to replace slow Cindy is the move

Have all except for BayT

[tidal lichen]

swap swha with laplace, move 3rd link on jack to p5

dont put noah mid

rosanna is probably dispelling your nayuta asw

[tribal hollow]

Appreciate it, it's always the little things that catch me out, even if I have a correct general idea about comps

[tribal hollow]

Aye, that's what I suspect

[upbeat dock]

After 3 seasons of not being broken someone finally figured out how to break my team… so now i just attack him twice a day which makes him refresh for the third hit

Ill still be 1st at the end of the season and he’ll be down 800gems, I’ll take that as a win

[fathom rock]

@umbral belfry finally stood up for the bullying

[gritty ridge]

I was wondering why the cp was so low

I always forget I have a nonexistent rapu

[gritty ridge]

Good job retro

[swift mango]

[glad meteor]

gib her to me then

[wind kelp]

Ok, the "assistant" still isn't quite there, but atleast she knows how to make teams a bit more modern than 2024 😄
1: Noah / Biscuit / Jackal / Scarlet: Black Shadow / Helm (Treasure)
2: Red Hood / Snow White: Heavy Arms / Centi / Rapunzel / Alice
3: Dorothy / Scarlet / Blanc / Noir / Privaty
4: Liberalio / Siren / Noise / Vesti: Tactical / Poli
5: Liter / Naga / Drake / Maiden / Pepper

I need to find a good place to find "meta relevant" teams, especially winners, give it some extra juice in the logic side.

But those teams are already something someone could/would run with less experience.

[high stream]

How does this team beat .. Blanc? Can I use this to counter Blanc teams? Lol.

Is it because TVesti's damage is buffed so f##king much, she just kills them before anything even bursts? Cause of all the true damage?

[tidal lichen]

shes wind

even unbuffed vesti can be lethal for blanc

thats why u should place blanc p4

[high stream]

But if Vesti can do this alone, why this team specifically? I've seen variants of this multiple times now.
Another one with Crown instead of Mast is used by one of the top 16 and it was able to beat a Noah team.

I assumed Mast is also in there to boost crit chance and crit dmg

Like .. looking at the skill sets of the used Nikke .. it all looks like max dmg boost to Vesti

But the Crown variant .. a bit more odd. Why Crown? Taunt and ATK buff?

[tidal lichen]

crown is pointless

[high stream]

Mast isnt?

[torn obsidian]

emma heals and procs crown's atk buff

[high stream]

Ohh

[tidal lichen]

ok ig not pointless

but still kinda weird, crit is better

[high stream]

So it all sounds to me .. the sole purpse of this team is the MOST damage you can create before burst

[torn obsidian]

mast is better on paper, but most people have crown on sr15 and higher cores so

[high stream]

Its basically a giga glass cannon?

[tidal lichen]

absolute team is like a weird shotgun team

u try to kill before burst

[high stream]

Here is another variant to beat a Scarlet team .. but with Label now, there is a Scarlet answer anyway

[tidal lichen]

decent attacking/ca team

but u shouldnt use it on sp def

[high stream]

I'm more shocked that there are instances where this team can beat Blanc and Noah .. freeing up your own Blanc and Noah for harder matchups

[tidal lichen]

noah is also wind

[high stream]

Especially for SP Arena .. this seems really good

Cause there are only 3 teams. If u can counter either their noah or blanc team using absolute trio

But Eunwha apparently requires really high pvp investment

4 10 10

[tidal lichen]

doesnt really need her burst skill at 10

[high stream]

also i just realized .. if rosanna gets the absolute buffs

doesnt she just snipe opponents into another dimension?

[tidal lichen]

its still extremely counterable on sp

[high stream]

probably, yeah. But for attack i see real value

[tidal lichen]

yea decent attacking team

[high stream]

maybe not the best defense team .. but for attack teams?

[tidal lichen]

but there are already a lot of insane attacking teams

you almost never need a team like this to triple some1

[high stream]

Well, yes. But what I've noticed recently is that ALL of them require Jackal, Blanc, Noah. And usually .. all the Blanc teams run Jackal. So 2 of your Nikke go in one team, Noah goes in another and from there, u're left with a lot of difficult choices

Even MoranT, who is SSS now .. isn't used alone in teams like .. ever.

She is most used with Noah together

So .. there are a lot of attack teams, yeah. But if u say "No Jackal, Blanc or Noah" that "a lot" turns into .. almost none.

And for defense .. Scarlet is essentially unplayable now, cause Label exists

Especially for third teams on defense right now .. there seem to be very few options

[tidal lichen]

defending is only possible if youre a whale or if your opppnents dont know what theyre doing

[high stream]

Well, what i can tell from my own exerience competing in top 10 right now .. u can effectively defend with Jackal+Blanc and Noah .. that makes 2 teams

Ideally though .. u want a really strong third team to make it at least harder for them

But .. i cant seem to find an effective third team that achieves that

[swift mango]

blanc p3, she would die in 1-2 hits.

[high stream]

yeah, i think i got that now, its basically a giga glass cannon that abused blanc and noah positioning

and since noah is also almost always in p2 .. at least against the opponents i fight

i could probably counter those noahs with that team

but i feel like this absolute team is not "easily countered" on defense .. u have to set up specifically to counter it

so maybe .. its a good defense third option, cause it requires quite a bit of pvp knowledge to counter it?

[tidal lichen]

it just needs biscuit and defenders at p1-2

[tropic summit]

imagine this game playing without deficit, must be nice

[tropic summit]

just battery in this case, although she doubles as rosanna resistant because she'll target ein and alice first

if he's to wipe alice and ein, SWHA will be picked as indom or he can also get punished if he uses too many snipers and lacks lethal for p5

(at that point SWHA is picked as indom)

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

imo getting it to:

• use units that achieve a total of 2RL or 2.5RL burst gen per team
• include a resistant p1 (unkillable or difficult to kill and that is siren resistant or runs multiple B1/B2)
• a meta team synergy (e.g. noah with biscuit, scarlet with trina, indoms with blanc)
• positioning and this is where it gets fun (e.g. blanc not in p1 p2 or p3 or single B1 that is not noise or moran in p1)

would already achieve a somewat potential OK result

could also feed it the current pvp tierlist and tell it to prioritize using units with high tierlist, synergy and burst gen values (or relevance e.g. noah, blanc etc)

lastly, being able to feed it CP values for most invested units and boom, you've an auto team creating tool that accounts for meta and CP

realistically, feeding it a good chunk of working archetypes and as input values just feeding it units and CP you want to build teams with, probably achieves similar result with way less costs and variables although

at that point it simply finds the best matching archetype for the units and CP you provided

@shell hazel remember that automatic thingie you were using to extract data directly from blabla link to see invest? was it also able to extract CP per unit?

[leaden canyon]

Yeah lol. Btw did I cook too hard into something thats bad

[tropic summit]

team per se look good, although i don't remember exactly what you were fighting against

[leaden canyon]

This is defense for the other guy that fights in top 3

hes closer to me in levels

[tropic summit]

as defense teams i'd change T2 main B3, rest are ok-ish

[leaden canyon]

I actually dont understand this level lead he currently has though, idk if hes buying core dust or what

[tropic summit]

T2 needs an offburst DPS to work like that, drakeT is kinda meh

[leaden canyon]

hes 683 and im 676

[tropic summit]

see if you can rotate a vestiTU or a SWHA in T2 instead

[shell hazel]

yeah it does

[tropic summit]

can you give me a CSV/xls of an extraction as example? gonna try to run something in chatGPT to see what it does if i feed it archetypes, tierlist and CP values

you can use this one if you need a blabla link, should be public, was shared not too long ago:
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?openid=MjkwODAtMjE1NjY5OTU0ODEyNzY5MTY1NQ==

[leaden canyon]

change the main b3 to what? I dont think I should do SWHA because he has a built rosanna

[tropic summit]

moran mitigates rosanna, but i agree avoid a water code main B3

the ideal would be moving vestiTU and using ada in T1 instead

or moving emilia and using xmaiden

at that point you can keep helmt as main B3 but emi/vestiTU as offburst DPS

[leaden canyon]

I was fiddling with moran anchor/bay helmT label SWHA

that becomes 2 RL with a quantum

[tropic summit]

that sounds decent

he'd need to use rosanna with jackal

quite expensive then to fit the rest to counter

should be also resistant to a lot of things

[leaden canyon]

idk if anchor or bay would be better

[shell hazel]

yean np in a work thing atm but I'll check it for you soon 🙂

[tropic summit]

bay saves you from cindy, anchor won't

[tropic summit]

thanks, no urgency

[leaden canyon]

Label doesn't block cindy? damn

[tropic summit]

not the slow version

@leaden canyon moran bay/noah biscuit swha flex is one of the most complete teams you can run

[wind kelp]

Asked what it needs to achieve this:
burst generation tables
P1 survivability lists
synergy cores
current meta archetypes

Gonna try and put some winner team comps on the table later, claims it can "slightly reverse engineer" teams from that, so, interesting fun project 😄

[tropic summit]

eh sounds good

i'm pretty confident that if we feed it tierlist, archetypes, CP and available units it can crosscheck with all that info and produce at least teams that match competitive archetypes with sorted CP aswell

it essentially sorts info at that point, instead of trying to make new teams

[leaden canyon]

I suppose slow cindy with nayuta for the non blanc team then, thats all I can think of with the left overs

[wind kelp]

Yup, still leaving my own roster out, getting the base together. Worst case: it copies winning teams and does some shuffling, which is often how folks do it 😄

[tropic summit]

ye sounds like a good start

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

when is last beta?

[swift mango]

CrowT will be new EX tier with on her in it. CDR b1-2-3 all by herself,

[leaden canyon]

I have no idea what to do for the last team or even what to replace vesti with on the blanc team

also placed noah instead of bay because shes open to use now

I guess helm isn't needed

centi works

[swift mango]

SG in SpA.

[leaden canyon]

cant do slow cindy with biscuit there

I just freed up helm

I think I figured out something

[tropic summit]

i'll personally visit you and open new holes in your whole body if this happens

[leaden canyon]

I have returned with this

[tropic summit]

now remove drakeT for xmaiden

and you've a backup B3 for indom if they rosanna vest and emi

[vapid lake]

Has pvp-arena mental illness arc finished

[tropic summit]

not for everyone, but for the most part

[leaden canyon]

I guess I put emilia p5 because shes jackal linked?

[tropic summit]

nah drakeT is detrimental in that team

[leaden canyon]

No I mean with maiden on it already

[tropic summit]

turn it into way less feed with xmaiden and it adds a backup proper B3 to indom

[tropic summit]

yeah xmaiden can go in p4

blanc at your synchro and considering your opponents invest is sus in p3 as blood said she could die

but i'll leave it up to you, based on cores and temp 15 she might be still fine in p3

[leaden canyon]

oh right I can just throw maiden p3

[tropic summit]

ye even if they misindom, xmaiden still offers some pressure as indommable

[leaden canyon]

is hood p5 in trouble of dying to snipers?

Probably not if I had to guess

just has to survive to b1

[spiral onyx]

I did this earlier for UR

[leaden canyon]

One of us!

[crystal flicker]

Finally!

[spiral onyx]

That's what my guildies all said lol

[leaden canyon]

I imagine your union is happy you finally have that lol

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/where-surprised-panic-tell-me-hurry-gif-14851030

[tropic summit]

5 snipers? yes

lib + SWHA + ein + RH + helmT

[high stream]

Curious. Trina in T2 .. just for speed? You didnt put her with Scarlet? Is that just not necessary anymore?
And also .. what could replace Emilia in T1?
Maybe I'll try some of these teams .. since I'm also struggling with defense. I currently have to defend against 4 people competing for my rank

[tribal hollow]

...I don't even know if I should ask, but what?

[leaden canyon]

Scarlet on defense doesn't work because label exists, trina buff moran though

[high stream]

Wait.. who is the Nikke in P5 in your T1?

[leaden canyon]

I'm also running this now

[leaden canyon]

emilia from rezero collab

[high stream]

This one

[leaden canyon]

oh drake

[high stream]

Ohh ..

[leaden canyon]

thats treasure drake

[high stream]

Hmm. I dont have my Ice Maiden built

[leaden canyon]

damn that moran team is fast with all the CS I have lmfao

[high stream]

Can u give me advice on replacements for ice maiden and emilia? otherwise i can do these teams.
I'd like to try them.

My Bay and Ice maiden are next and last in line to build all tierlisted pvp nikke

I just got Ice 2 months ago

[swift mango]

doubt I have tried 4 sniper before and it's not even close.

[swift mango]

drake and libby

[high stream]

Tyvm

Its really slow though .. is that an issue?

[swift mango]

hope ur vesti linked

[leaden canyon]

to match the speeds you can run this, but your vesti needs like 8-11% cs, I

[high stream]

Hmm

Why does it show less speed on my end?

[leaden canyon]

vesti needs more cs

click the bottom left box on her

[swift mango]

so long as vesti is linked and lower HP than Jack+another link unit.you would be fine.

[swift mango]

it's not actually 2rl without feeds unless ur vesti like 21% cs

[swift mango]

Drake is actually better here than Libby if your enemy doesn't have much CS.

[high stream]

Ok, TVesti has less hp than both .. but im still in the process of fixing her OLs. Rerolling Line 1 and 2 on most of these pieces. And piece 4 is a nightmare .. cause its technically perfect .. but also makes it so i can only have 3 ATK lines max

Ideally .. i want ATK on that line 2

now .. if i get 3 blue atk lines, that would be okay

but its probably more likely i roll atk on that line 2 .. or even 3

But i still have to lock 1 and 3 on that piece

[swift mango]

Try to get your vesti CS to 2.56% if possible and equip her with Adjutant

[high stream]

i can do that .. i can just roll the stats on piece 4 for now

[swift mango]

anyway, could just use this team, but Drake instead of libby if your libby doesn't have like 15% cs at least.

[high stream]

And then switch Lib with Drake?

She does not, lol.

I think .. let me check, maybe i lucked out

Nope, she has 5%

[leaden canyon]

drake then and just have to play with knowing you will jackal feed with sg but at least it fixes your speed

better than having it be naturally slower

[high stream]

One roll and a dream?

[leaden canyon]

I mean you would still need more cs lines after that

[high stream]

yes, 1 more

[swift mango]

drake 5th shot being very fast being the reason people without much charge speed struggle against her 2.5rl team

[high stream]

that line 2 needs to be atk .. and that ammo line needs to go on another piece

thats the fix here.

probably gonna cost me like 50 f##king stones

[leaden canyon]

yeah cant really roll off black ele line lmao

just cursed with that

[high stream]

that piece is technically a god roll

but yeah, on any other nikke .. sure, sac one atk line

but on the best mob clearer in the game .. rough.

i even rolled this piece in like .. 40 stones

and since then .. used like 80 trying to fix it

sanity is slowly dwindling

But this is the team then, right?

[swift mango]

Idk this looks cursed.

[high stream]

it is

that single piece cost me like 120+ stones so far

depression. nihilism.

[leaden canyon]

yeah

[high stream]

i decided to roll the other pieces for now, fix them first. use 3 atk lines for now

[leaden canyon]

always have a quantum cube on jackal btw

[swift mango]

Idk, you mean you roll 40 times locking line 1 just for Ammo and CS? That's not very good.

[high stream]

I'm locking 1 and 3 .. apparently, according to the god roll sheet .. if Line 3 is best in slot and either line 1 or 2 are black .. u lock 1 + 3 or 2 + 3

[swift mango]

just have to make do I gues

[high stream]

so according to prydwen .. its most efficient in that case to lock 1 + 3

and honestly, I believe it. Cause that black line is the first i ever got in .. idk 800 stones?

Im playing since 10 months now, no idea what that is in stones. But 1 black line in 10 months

so even if it costs me a lot to fix that piece .. probably cheaper than another black line

[swift mango]

Yeah, since you said 40-80, I though you meant 2 rock rolls.

[high stream]

no, no. Stones that piece in total cost me like 120 stones so far i think

so .. thats 60 2 stone rolls

Whats cube prio here? As of today .. my resilience cube is max. All other cubes are level 3 or 4 .. bastion is level 7.

I give resilience to most of them to cp pad, i guess

But who needs a proper cube? Tvesti gets temp?

I have 3 temp, 3 quantum and 10 resilience to give out

[swift mango]

Maybe next month. My quantum would be 11 after 2 months. Then I could rest

[high stream]

What level do u need quantum and tempering at to have sufficient numbers?

[leaden canyon]

ideally 7

If you are all in on pvp you just upgrade tempering more so you can put it on more people

quantum can stay at 7 though

[crystal flicker]

7 max passive\

[high stream]

All my cubes are level 4 right now, except resilience and bastion

So I think .. temp and quantum level 7 next
Which one first?

[leaden canyon]

oh, just focus your resilience

Honestly better to focus resilience to help push campaign more

[high stream]

Resilience is max

[leaden canyon]

oh

[high stream]

Bastion is level 7

[leaden canyon]

bastion can stay 7

I would work on tempering first

You dont really need quantum with these teams

[swift mango]

@tropic summit not even close

[leaden canyon]

Just always have it on jackal though because it buffs her feed

[high stream]

I'm also in 40 - 50% territory in hard mode campaign. I'm a giga malder.
I got 4th lowest clear on Mirror Container and lowest clear that isnt using Ein, Liter or MMaast. 3k lower than retros clear .. but retro also did all the math to make my clear possible

[leaden canyon]

Oh tempering can help you get lower clears on some of the bosses like ziz and snake

[high stream]

oh really?

[leaden canyon]

yeah

[high stream]

Sounds like temp level 7 first, then quantum level 7

[leaden canyon]

Because it reduces damage taken so you can survive their attacks at lower CP with that cube

If you have enough cp though you dont really need tempering on those fights, but if you hunt low cp clears it can help

also best cube on moran

[high stream]

Worth opening two of these for Drake pvp performance? 😒

[leaden canyon]

if you already have your important pilgrims overloaded sure, drake is also used in raids

[lunar pawn]

Keripo champ again

Only failed cheer was my own in top 16

[high stream]

Gotcha

[swift mango]

@mystic rain how is it?

@worldly osprey Congrats.

[tulip quest]

I voted for Mystic

[mystic rain]

i got utterly destroyed man

gg ez

[ancient sun]

@oak hatch You are a f goat. Congrats on winning another CA in a row!

[swift mango]

Ggwp. Better luck next time.

And thanks for the images.

[mystic rain]

awful matchups for me

[umbral belfry]

oof

[swift mango]

Yeah, you lose for sure on 2-3-4

Indom war, SW won't win also.

[mystic rain]

btw team 1 timed out

[swift mango]

Team 1, LapT someone rekt you

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

Oh you lose by a hair.

[mystic rain]

noah vs noah, my sg vs bisc, blanc mirror

[swift mango]

That's the one you had the most chance to win lol.

[mystic rain]

im so pissed lmao

[umbral belfry]

is that a p1 rosa

[swift mango]

But you Moran was weak.

[swift mango]

Yeah, bad team but lucked out

[mystic rain]

[umbral belfry]

rare xanne out in the wild instantly denying that conceal

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-anne-gif-27702303

[swift mango]

You could send 5 images at same time now

[covert lintel]

Oh ok

[swift mango]

Maybe you could send the result too.

Thank you.

[swift mango]

Now go for 10 times too

[worldly osprey]

So lucky when i dont meet thg whale ''''

[swift mango]

Idk. But yeah, Salfya isn't a tough opponent

[crystal flicker]

Dix tripped at the end

[swift mango]

Now please send with your bracket winner.

[swift mango]

Please send me their teams

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit finally

If I hold I might try hit 1st

[shell hazel]

csv text only version

[crystal flicker]

Isn't there's someone who alr figured out CP formula

[shell hazel]

he wanted to see if AI could do something

I await results

[crystal flicker]

Once I tried to feed AI to figure out the exact dmg formula, and they only gave me math and confusion

[fast flax]

I don't get jackal

[leaden canyon]

rrh and moran would give lots of jackal feed

[fast flax]

Oof, didn't think about that

[leaden canyon]

yeah that team b3 before your b2 goes off

[fast flax]

That's what happens when you're a pvp noobie

[leaden canyon]

you are the bottom right blue line

The red line above is him

the third dot on the red line is his b3 and the 2nd dot on tthe blue line is your b2

if it was any other unit than RRH thats not an MG or a SG you would have been fine

[fast flax]

Tyy, I used this page and said yeah, I might burst faster

[leaden canyon]

yeah that doesn't take into account jackal feed unless you do deck vs deck

and you have to click the show more data option

you basically need either an SR or RL instead

Another AR will give too much feed same with an SMG

[worldly osprey]

Salfya is also a whale, but doesn’t invest in team building as much as the person facing hermann i still remember i almost managed to beat him. both teams had soda vs scar. both sodas stunned scar, but i had more cs, so his scar woke up first and i lost that match was the top 4

[swift mango]

Thanks

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

🤏

[swift mango]

Could you send me your CA winner teams?🙏

[leaden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-me-paypal-paypal-me-30k-perlica-arknights-gif-3472834387034500009

[swift mango]

Could you give em your CA winner teams hippo?

[swift mango]

#$30000

[leaden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-musanpro-nikke-doro-dorothy-gif-16158099313532557237

[shell hazel]

i'll try to remember a bit later can't atm

[swift mango]

[leaden canyon]

He beat the keripo of my bracket

weeptrap

[swift mango]

Not actually Keripo right?

[leaden canyon]

no

weeptrap has like the same amount of wins as keripo I believe

actually weeptrap is number 1

[unique mountain]

Imagine not winning 11 championships

[oak hatch]

Thank you

[unique mountain]

Couldn't be fahrenheit

[unique mountain]

Omedeto

[oak hatch]

Thx

[swift mango]

Guess their high tier bracket is more competitive. Our SEA old players mostly invest in raid because it's easier to top 200 here. And they would rather top 200 in raid than trying for CA.

[unique mountain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1203538150887260190/1436324146559848489/Image_1762516712191.gif

[unique mountain]

Everyone should join sea since t200 is easiest here, also very nice and social community

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Now send my ur team.

[swift mango]

And thanks.

[oak hatch]

Nothing special but here they are

[fathom rock]

Guess how that concluded

[swift mango]

Thanks

[swift mango]

There is a chance Midhara kill all. There is also a chance you just lose

[fathom rock]

Which one you feeling
My mihara 4 ele 4 atk

[swift mango]

Midhara death dot doesn't care about OL line. Only Doll, Cube, OL level, dupes matter

[fathom rock]

Same level, low dupe, lv15 coob, sr15

And lv5 ol

[swift mango]

Idk, maybe 55% chance you win.

[bleak marsh]

Finally got the gold frame after 24 seasons of blind guessing

[umbral crown]

S30

[wind kelp]

[bleak marsh]

I can finally put the gold crown on my ether

[wind kelp]

Now to do the opposite next season XD

[bleak marsh]

I got that one....20 seasons ago

This one was the hardest to get

The silver one wasn't as bad, since you could go for lower CP

[wind kelp]

Yoo @swift mango , there ya go

[covert lintel]

I lost 1 because @torn obsidian lost against fahren

[swift mango]

Are they gonna wipe the record after beta or keeping it?

[swift mango]

Thank you.

[bleak marsh]

Not part of the convo, but I think they'll wipe records?

Cuz after beta they're gonna fix things, I think (like that surface beta thingy)

I think the frames will be the same, since it doesn't have "beta" on it

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Thats a secret, as long as i do not lose my frame all good

[umbral crown]

What if they make a new frame

[torn obsidian]

[swift mango]

Better late than never

[umbral crown]

Beta gonna end in some months and i still have not gotten that one

[leaden canyon]

will proabably still be around after beta

[torn obsidian]

beta will never end

eternal beta

[bleak marsh]

Now we're talking

[swift mango]

When beta ends it's a new beta beginning

[thin abyss]

How to beat this comp? I saw this guy's records and this team never lost, not even against Scarlet jackal

[covert lintel]

I hope all the challengers have the right to CA

[swift mango]

Just slow Cindy it.

[swift mango]

Nayuta p1 it.

[leaden canyon]

Thats an absolute squad, its designed to kill you before you burst so you need biscuit teams

[swift mango]

Biscuit may not work defending on Crit luck so might as well just Nayuta wipe.

[torn obsidian]

did weep really not meet a biscuit or nayuta team in 6 games

[thin abyss]

Nope, he also beat a slow Cinderella team

[swift mango]

It's depend on positioning and speed

[leaden canyon]

Its good to know nayuta beats it, I have had luck with biscuit teams

[thin abyss]

He also beat a P1 Nayuta+ SG team

[swift mango]

Well, we need to know how that SG team looks like. But it could be his Rosa just kill off their team

[leaden canyon]

nayuta sg is 3.5 if nothing dies and needs two deaths for it to be 2RL

[swift mango]

Their p2+3 would die real quick.

[thin abyss]

Well, a classic composition, Nayuta Drake Soda Noir and Rossana

[leaden canyon]

right, and then enemy also has rosanna, so then the only attackers left are rosanna and thhe other sg

so enemy rosanna just cleans it up

[swift mango]

Well, I could see Vesti kill Drak+Soda then Rosa kill Rosa+Noir somehow.

[swift mango]

I could custom make team to beat it but common CA teams could lose to it with investment difference.

[thin abyss]

So there's no possible counter, I didn't think that team was so strong

[swift mango]

Nah

Nayuta+HelmT+RH+flex2 beat it 100% in CA so long as equal investment

[leaden canyon]

it depends how strong the vesti and eunwha are

[swift mango]

Put it in SPA and people would chew you down real quick.

It's only work because it's CA and he a whale

[leaden canyon]

I wonder if he even has ammo rolls on it

[thin abyss]

I was wondering if the same team would work with my current Vesti
Or do I need more ATK/elemental?

[leaden canyon]

Could be 4 attack, 4 crit damage, 4 cs

wouldn't need more ammo

[swift mango]

There is also another team in CA that win it all the time.

Moran+Bay+Biscuit.

[leaden canyon]

the standard is 4 attack, 2 ele, 2 ammo and 4 cs for a pvp vesti

[swift mango]

You need more ATK for sure

[umbral crown]

There are counters but you are not 100% sure he gonna use that team in the same spot

[swift mango]

Plus 300 research level above the average of your bracket.

And CS and Crit rate.

[thin abyss]

[leaden canyon]

is it crit rate he wants? doesn't absolute give crit rate, I actually forget

maybe its a small amount of crit rate

[swift mango]

More Crit rate is consistent but you could just luck out and go for Ele instead.

55% vs 80% Crit rate kind of shit.

[umbral crown]

You need atk , crit rate crit damage

Ele not a must but Always help

[wind kelp]

Welp. Viper got T3, so with leftovers Centi got T3, and Zwei got T2.

[umbral crown]

Centi phase 3?

[leaden canyon]

if you build a vesti for absolute only you do kinda limit her running in other teams because if she's not in absolute crit is kinda meh

[wind kelp]

Oh yeah, i do silly stuff 😄

[umbral crown]

Xhare bricked

[thin abyss]

Doesn't charge damage have the same effect as ATK? At least for her

[leaden canyon]

treasure resets when

[umbral crown]

Nope

[swift mango]

I do Centi phase 2 here.

[glad meteor]

ms.Dareina

[leaden canyon]

charge damage is more of a filler line to roll on a unit that doesn't really have better options

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Reminds me when i bricked with viper phase 3

[umbral crown]

Thats me

[swift mango]

Viper phase 3 actually having more use now

[glad meteor]

pvdarEina

[leaden canyon]

thats actually not as bad as you think

[placid bloom]

1 year from now every team will be 1RL and CentiT will be SSS for the heal on shield break

[leaden canyon]

jackal treasure give us the 1rl team

[swift mango]

Nah, that heal is smol, won't save her from being mid

[leaden canyon]

or they brick her by making her a re-enter burst

[thin abyss]

I hope they give us uninstallers soon, I built Nero for nothing

[swift mango]

Like that would change anything.

[leaden canyon]

it would delay your b2 and b3

[jolly maple]

at the start of battle, enemy burst regen is silence for 5s

[leaden canyon]

which defeats the point of you being fast

[swift mango]

I will bring Nero next season and I don't even have Rapu.

[swift mango]

Like anyone with enough salt in CA burst with Jackal anymore.

[leaden canyon]

give us an RL that stuns on every full charge and has a splash radius to hit 3 units or whole team

[placid bloom]

New clip RL that drain enemy burst gauge and add it to your own

[swift mango]

Nah, new SMG that drain burst gauge by 5% every hit.

[leaden canyon]

that would be interesting but they probably wont ever design that because raptures dont have burstgen and its not like they design character with pvp specific abilities

[placid bloom]

They definitely do, Rosanna

[leaden canyon]

rosanna kit still works in pve

[placid bloom]

Unless you think she was designed to proc when your own Nikke die in PvE

[leaden canyon]

yes

[placid bloom]

Which I can assure you was not what they thought anout

[leaden canyon]

still works in pve, even if its terrible in pve

manipulating enemy burstgen gauge i dont think will happen

[north brook]

its a standard CA comp, it is really strong into anything that doesnt hard counter it

[swift mango]

2027 and we will be fighting nikke instead of rapture in pve

Trust

[placid bloom]

Can’t fight them when they all recruited to your harem

[leaden canyon]

what sucks is i started during csm and I never pulled makima even though I tried

[swift mango]

With Rosa in the team, it can beat everything in ca so long as you are lucky with Crit and shit. While the other teams 1000 level research under you.

[swift mango]

Oh you started during CSM. Some guy in your bracket low commander level so I didn't think so. Guess some people just lazy with their clear.

[leaden canyon]

yeah im in the same bracket as weeptrap

[north brook]

theres always some spread over a long time

though a lot of the ppl in my bracket ive had 20~40lvls on since start

early game honestly matters a ton

[leaden canyon]

im stuck on ziz in tower so I cant grind for more creds and core dust to level

1240 tower sucks

[north brook]

late game everyone is similar in core dust rate even if they are few hard chp behind

[north brook]

what lvl that ziz easier to beat at

[placid bloom]

mid game depend too, there is a lot of slacker in the sync 400+ range that don't even clear normal campaign

[leaden canyon]

most people clear it at 2.4

for lowest clears

I'm at 2.3 for my cp

I can get it down to 1200 bars

so its like 1 RRH burst from dying

[swift mango]

At least 2

[swift mango]

And wtf, you started during Makima and still haven't clear ziz.

[leaden canyon]

tower

not campaign

I have beat campaign

[swift mango]

How many bar ziz in tower has? Still 6000+ or 13000+

If only 6000+ you would need at least 2rapi burst to clear 1200 bar if you had 1200 left at the end.

[leaden canyon]

9.2k bars

if I remember right I get it down to like 8k with RRH

yeah just got it down to 8.2

So like a burst in a half

helm burst would kill it next

first burst doesn't do the most damage either because priv wouldn't activate her damage taken right away on first burst

so yeah like 1 rrh burst is all I need at the end

[wind kelp]

Here's where my "assistant intelligence commander" current knowledge is and suggest for my next league run, it's not, too bad? (snow white being heavy arms, and treasures ofc)
1: Scarlet / Trina / Soda / Anis / Centi
2: Noah / Biscuit / Noise / Rumani / Cinderella
3: Moran / Bay / Snow White / Helm / Rapunzel
4: Jackal / Vesti / Blanc / Laplace / Ada
5: Noir / Drake / Nayuta / Rosanna / Viper

Considering there's still knowledge caps etc 😄

[lone sequoia]

noise p3?

[leaden canyon]

it doesn't seem to understand siren stun and building around it with that noah position

[wind kelp]

Yeah there's still "best p1p2p3etc units" and meta-"oh no, get stunned" knowledge lacking.

[lone sequoia]

soda p3 is full rng, p2 target taunt from noise or noah

[leaden canyon]

that too

[lone sequoia]

is T3 2RL?

[leaden canyon]

I was just wondering that lol

[lone sequoia]

you will probably lose against SG (DEF) or indom comps, nuke is fine except lib

[leaden canyon]

yes its actually 2rl

[wind kelp]

What i'll probably do is let it build something with my roster, then bring it here for a "sanity check" before running it.

[lone sequoia]

spaghetti time

[wind kelp]

I did tell it to "get jiggy with it" 😄

[leaden canyon]

that t2 is just really weird, better to either do slow cindy

or maybe place biscuit in place of rapunzel on the other team

[lone sequoia]

only win against SG

or probably enemy slow cindy

[wind kelp]

Luckily still a few days left, just a fun experiment, feedback is still welcome as always

[leaden canyon]

noise siren rumani noah cindy maybe so biscuit goes with bay on the other team?

cindy can take sg punishment I feel like

[lunar pawn]

new frames

[lone sequoia]

she can, you have noise p1

pray for prio on noise over noah

[swift mango]

it's actually decent, some questionable positioning but even @hollow lagoon made questionable positioning all the time.

[limber silo]

[swift mango]

so many guy showed getting their frame this season

[limber silo]

[swift mango]

Treasure soon. Become the best burst 3 in the game she deserves.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/punch-295

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/plasticneesan-ticeldersister-plasticnee-neesan-tic-gif-19628818

[tropic summit]

your snipers have 40%atk? cuz in dair case p5 got deleted with just 4

[tropic summit]

at least it's because in your case your OLs are sh*t

[swift mango]

Idk,

[tropic summit]

gottem

[tropic summit]

thanks will feed it to chatGPT later and see if i can spawn some decent teams

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

Sniperoni team, round 2

[swift mango]

I guess SW, Helm and Libby made it possible, maybe

SR normal attack is weak but additional dmg could help

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

I mean I did it before Libby even exists and dair should be luckier and has more ATK OL.

My HelmT has zero

[shell hazel]

let me know the results please sir

[gritty ridge]

Hello chat

[swift mango]

Hello smolboi

[lunar pawn]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yugioh-yu-gi-oh-nanoave-RPSFohCR6KON9lBrIR

congrats

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/only-war-reason-gaming-warhammer-gif-17304554

[tropic summit]

hello middle boi

[tropic summit]

in the meantime remind me, it was an API call right?

[shell hazel]

yeah or more than one anyway

it's not all in one thing because that would make too much sense and we don't do that here

[tropic summit]

obviously

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit the zeuu5 guy invested his vesti team more, I know hes lurking in here

Didn't work tho

[glad meteor]

@zuee5 hit him back

[gritty ridge]

Kara is that you

[glad meteor]

lol no

My NA account dead and buried in beginner bracket somewhere

Last I heard that aceross guy was in there with retro lol

[gritty ridge]

Ace the cs merchant

[wind kelp]

Yeah for what it is currently, not too bad for a "days training", especially when yesterday it recommended using units from '24 XD

[tropic summit]

he's messaging me now, we making the teams and snipe you in an hour

/s

[gritty ridge]

Well hes slower than ugussy so it doesnt matter

You wanna see my new hit?

[tropic summit]

i'd rather see helm in a revealing swimsuit but i'll take it

[gritty ridge]

Well I have both tbh

[tropic summit]

your bracket will fear you

[gritty ridge]

So far I still cant bridge an 80 sync gap unless bad teams

[glad meteor]

T3 speed is beautiful, its so fast it feels 1rl. But 1rl is giga fast, this more 1.5

[gaunt pulsar]

probably gets reported everyday "this guy clearly shouldn't win against me, i'm 60lvl above"

[glad meteor]

[gritty ridge]

I b3 around 2rl b1

[glad meteor]

Idk, that means you outspeed 2rl b2

If you test it and can outspeed blanc/noah. send vid

[gritty ridge]

I did, one sec

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit OK, you know what, I doubt that this change made everything, but I think changing the cube for SWHA from Resilience to Tempering made the trick

[gritty ridge]

I dont have vid but I have this, I can record if I ever get to hit him again

[glad meteor]

Hmm. Send vid if possible

[gritty ridge]

I will

[glad meteor]

Since they have helm and snow as well

[gritty ridge]

Next time im knocked to 5th ill hit him on the way up

Hehe

[gaunt pulsar]

he is on b3 when enemy blanc shot 33 ammo, thats around ~192f, need to see it frame by frame but it's close, so it's 104f 100% energy which is 1.36rl

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/todd-howard-it-just-works-1

[chrome harbor]

Been doing my head in. Any idea why this isn't working in my favour?

Seemed to work and suddenly stopped working

Any guru insights would be gratefully appreciated

[glad meteor]

Soda stun noah. Helm kills your link

They prob have cs to 2rl maybe

[placid bloom]

both your Noah stunned but yours die because Lib shooting p5 on attack and their units shooting p1 on attack so you have no B2 and they do

[chrome harbor]

Any suggestions? Been driving me nuts trying crack this
I tried other lineups to get rid of that soda, but just means I'm getting wiped by lib

[placid bloom]

how confident are you in your SGs

can send Noah into oblivion before she burst if you are confident