#pvp-arena
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Wait, does absolute actually say continuously in the buff list?
Hi, any recommendation? I WANT to take PVP seriously! I have no idea about teams, and thats the matter, i run with these:
Why are they so distorted lmao

from wide nikkes to squeezed nikkes

Very thick Moran 
Why there no dps b3 on either team lol
Emi is dps
Mihara and Emilia is dps 
12 hours later
Set ur third team position to
Noah Biscuit Cindy Redhood Rapunzel i think
For the rest of your team, im not sure, you can share all your units here first 
Might try this but unsure if slow cindy worth running
Sp def?
Slow Cindy relies on Cindy surviving Nuke, SP ppl can just boost their DPS to the moon for auto wipe
well damn, not sure what to try for that last team then
I mean doesn't label just still counter scar?
I mean into slow cindy comp lol
Wdym, just run Blanc SWHA 
oh
Lol
They wouldnt even need to know how to use new units from past 6mo
Does rosanna help at all agaisnt label or no
I guess I could try a privaty rosanna team
She cleanse buff so yeah
nothing works against him, I'm just trying to build something for the other people
Mine just got broken
Hm mbe go priv snow with vesti ada indom
Which I know for a fact hes running rapunzel scarlet soline trina jackal
At high level generic pressure isnt that good
that team cheeses any of my defense really
Ur t1 is more of a ca team
That would melt lvl 400 units but not 660+ which im sure u are
674
Realized that recently tbh theres lots of ca strats that just work because the lvls so low, can kill units before burst there
you can also do it in high levels if the investment is right
Ya think its mainly a minmaxed vesti absolute that could, stuff like lap/xmaiden/emi still can chunk a bit but its not nearly as dangerous
vesti is my second highest cp unit
Ur usually guaranteed to b1
usually that team just melts p1-3
Only problem is the noah can also just get melted 
Ya its always vesti thats the issue
Defense growth is exponential for most units in sync but she ignores the def gains
Id swap pressure to indom team instead of noah team i think, priv snow likes noah
Could do this I guess
Ya u could try nayu over manchor if needed but t3 always kinda weird still
t3 can survive a surprising amount of punishment
Not Manchor PvP fan ngl
Also make sure priv bursting it works by making snow pressure faster
you think bay might be better?
Bay or nayu both ok ya each can lose to diff teams
I think bay probably does cover a lot more because anchor usually better to counter vesti
Why not nero
I still need more of a feel for the nayu comps tho idk if they are able to deal with weaker noah comps
Nero not used anymore because better options
Bay not as tanky as nero
That being said, I still run Nero coz I have so much CS lol
All meta dps rn crunch her team, she cant rlly be made fast
Simple lib offense wipes her team before nero is capped
That's weak Nero
So they can still use both vesti and snow for others
Her backline
Not nero herself
Lib has so much dmg it just kills thru 60 dr
also is it sp arena? If yes then where's Label?
yes its SP arena
Label mostly slow or for countering elec
Why bother use Label to counter 1 ele
you dont really run label on defense
But ppl in spa just drop the elecs now
label more for offense
I still use Scarlet for atk
for sure
Just throw in this and call it a day 
Thats a ca team
Died to 2rl lib
2RL lib with a buff will kill that
isn't most comps killed by 2 RL lib?
In ca u just gamble that team doesnt fight lib
no
like if you ran bay you counter so many nukers
Most of the popular ca teams arent good for spa
They tend to have one hard counter but ok mu spread otherwise
Cant run teams that get hard countered in spa
Only soft counters at best so opps need to build a specific counter team
if that doesn't work I'll try bay and if that doesn't work then I just rework all the teams again
Ya u got few options and alts if it breaks again
This wont die to 2rl lib
, lib has big delay
Should be enough time to indom, question is if its enough dmg
around 1 rl to land the nuke

So match ups play out differently based on if it's in CA or SP arena interesting 
ya its mainly preburst dmg thats way different, on burst teams will still get liquidated
Missing this 
but at higher sync u can safely run noah/blanc in first few slots, etc
Funny, cuz my team is meh. No Biscuit, Blanc, Noah, and all the good PvP units, but still won against those two that are spenders and have said units.
I can't express my confusion
I'm only winning cuz they're too complacent about winning against me, and I tend to shuffle my defense everyday to throw them off.
So if they just attack blindly without checking my units... they might find themselves surprised that one of their teams actually lost.
Kereska however... haven't won against me for a while. The whole season he was attacking me and never won.
I have 4 attackers everyday.
NCC
Kereska
And 2 Chinese guys.
It's easy to fend them off since I know their online times. They pull each other first lmao. So in the end, they either only have 1 attempt to attack me, or have already wasted their attempts because they got pulled down twice, and since they don't spend gems, they stay lower.
A good siren to counter that 
Nothing hard counter CP. Run competent team with the most CP is how you getting less counter.
SP Arena is easy.
Just run these 4 meta teams:
||1. VISA||
||2. MasterCard||
||3. American Express||
||4. Deez Nuts||
They need to make SpA 4 rounds so we could fit all 4 in.
Lol, defense worked against one of them so far. He failed 
1 buff libby is not lethal against moran 22.63% deficit @tropic summit 
smol libby
SMH, couldn't Crit. Skill issue
Does libby need crit? 
just crit from base 15% crit rate with skill

Which skill
Idk, it must be some kind of skill
Irl skill
Even with 2 buff besti can't kill it
19% deficit
wait why not RH?
Cause miranda buff stronger
if miranda could survive to FB, SW would be ideal
otherwise RH is better buffer if Miranda couldn't survive to fb
but my sw is lower cp than libby
@tropic summit I'm installing end field sister.
Finally Arknights base being out of beta, it's only take another game.
What could I run here? 
slow cindy kill SW.
2rl moran to stop Nayuta.
Indom rapipi to beat Vesti indom
Exacto my question 
Slow cindy against moran noah is overated
Also this paticular line up is pretty popular now 
need Ele on Cindy which everyone should have 4 lines of. You could build 3,5rl cindy and buff her with RH/Label
Nayuta is also a strong buffer for slow cindy
Nayuta doesnt counter dmg taken though, moran isnt dying
Moran will just die in 2 second after fb end with Label+Nayuta+Cindy
Bro saying moran wasn't meta in pvp at release
#questions message
It was like that for another guys few days ago.
Hmm
my worry is cp as well, let's see
what do you mean?
Moran back in the days was ok but not used to her full most potential
Read it
Most popular moran comp was moran biscuit sanis which got countered by scar jack
We didnt have enough burst gen to run moran noah comps we run now
There was no helmt or swha

smth like this vs his moran/swha team?
Oh 

this vs the nayuta team?
Good job Drake.
mm unsure what to run with redpi blanc
You should be able to just fast scar nuke that blanc team, scarlet trina centi rosanna jackal, if rosanna not build then you could do something thats gives you more burst gen
obviously jackal
feed will take him to 2rl though
Moran noah biscuit vesti SWHA/HelmT can work yeagh
indom will happen before the scar nuke
we talking about frames here
I'll show you
didn't check nikke top yet 
if I use that then I'm without a team for his swha team 
Also just lower sync
as long as I win 2 I'm happy ig, but gotta be 100% sure it's a win 
More sync more good for tanks
well you only need to win twice, if you want to try for 3 teams hold on
Post attempts if u try want to see how the def does
are you this guy?
His teams same as mine but lower invest lol

will be harder to counter his nayuta team as I need the cp so the units I can bring are more limited
Mainly idk how safe the nayu comp is
it's a bomber team
main idea is to destroy the enemy before they can reach b3
with rh+nayuta and splashers
this guy has been renewing his defense every day I beat him lol
Its good at padding but ya i dont have much feel for it yet
this defense took him 2 days to come up with though
well, he probably just copied it but still
yea it's not much of a threat in defense if you aren't cp gapped
though it can catch the unaware by surprise ig
Ya its kinda getting popular i think
Though i was going to try priv snow instead mbe if it broke
could also put siren p2 so biscuit has less of a chance dying
Once siren stuns her job is done
uh lemme check cp, cheers
Jackal team round 1, noah team round 2 and moran team round 3, make sure the moran team all has tempering cubes
Think that team can be faster than siren with enough cs
even if it is it might still be fine
Though it is lap ver
actually hold on dont want him to get emilia splash on cindy
Where this come from, I need this to beat China player
Are 3 2RL teams possible?
Though CN doesn't have all these nikke of course
can set up the cindy team like this
agaisnt that nayuta team? yes
Create and share a GODDESS OF VICTORY: NIKKE deck
Guys, about champion arena, so you have any ideas to find out who will win or not ?
no cp for t2
No CN unit, I am cooked
Yes but all max speed not necessarily strongest
Bro got CP gapped, that dude max cored hard
These whales are 
this seems weird
also, vesti and ada are linked so prob vigor on ada
this just seems like a mirror team
ah you meant like this?
isn't it kind of cope trying to survive vesti indom with moran manchor thelm?
blanc nullifies the DR
I do it all the time 
Put tempering cubes on everybody too
Depends how good their vesti is tbh
I do it against a super build vesti
alright I'll try
in the video? yes shes bursting
@leaden canyon Is Scarlet like still a preffered burst to one shot enemy whole team
Or too many new nikke came out making unkillable comp
Depends on your cs rolls
can also jsut use helm instead of rosanna to for out speed
Not sure id bother with scar on attack instead of lib
lib burst is delayed and not instant
ok, we good to send? t2 is whatever 
Looked like vesti lived to burst but ada died before she b3ed
this is currently my team in SA
and currently building my vesti TU
is there any advice which nikke i should swap with vesti-TU?
or my team is alr good enough?
i still dont have swha, and that's really pain
She didnt heal at all
will scarlet wipe that team if she hits them?
I'am curious
yes
Ya just mean for a team weak to a single hit burst
if Moran burst first will it still wipe?
alright wish me gl 
oh you meant scarlet against the moran team
Kinda depends on several factors
ya ya
assuming it's C.A
In ca ya scar wipe usually lethal against unprotected
FOR Example mine 90% Ele
should kill it yeah
anis
aight thanks
Can u just not see what opponents use to attack you?
Btw, my defense did work against him
He lost once, then adjusted though.
Correct
so i managed to trick him at least
trade hits with a guy long enough you could make educational guess about what they have
but you can't see it unless they put up their blabla
is my liberalio team is good enough?
if i swap anis with vesti, should i swap rumani with rapunzel for burst gen for my liberalio team? since vesti has better burst gen?
Considering he lost once .. what would you adjust now to trick him again? Switch my slow indom with a fast one? What else?
The issue is .. i dont know what he used or even against which teams he lost.
But also, he has to spend gems now. To beat me again
Mostly u swap team cooks
@leaden canyon never cook again 
swap sw and siren position
I did. I'll also switch slow against fast indom .. what is a simple way of doing that? Since my RRH is occupied
Lol xmaiden got it, I thought you were going to out speed it. The moran team was there because you wanted 3 teams anyway 
now I have to wait til reset time to snipe with better teams 
Why not just run the scarlet team
I said I only needed 2 wins
xmaiden cooked
but I'm not trusting you anymore lol
yeah and I gave you scarlet team first
Ah the defecit rlly makes it killer
and then you wanted 3 teams
now trying to make it my fault, yea ok bud 
Maiden indom oneshotting everything funny tho
It was pretty funny yeah
Dair is staring at your SOUL
scarlet team makes no difference if everything is losing
I mean I guess I should have told you to switch back but lol
What you can do is secretly swap your team 2 and 3
Well its good def at least
sometime they dont watch
Show me round 1
I swap reshuffle my teams every time I lose anyway, just to be a bit more annoying
Then he carefully looked, a real PVP guy
But im wondering how i can make this team a fast indom easily
Without losing strength
I think only biscuit can be swapped here .. right?
ok other guy, what can I run? I'll snipe one of the 2, I'll grab better teams for the first guy when more people log in later 
and yea that indom maiden was pretty jacked to destroy moran like that 
Well his def a lot easier lol
Tbh when they have level on u ur moran def less impactful
Inverse effect of how his moran lived ur vesti
was it in deficit?
On even level ud prob have been fine
oh also, can someone explain to me how the sorting on the deck builder is supposed to work when u sort it by RL? Cause the first nikke never change
maybe, but still weird
Idk some defecit but 30 lvls is a lot of stats too
Maiden is also used in Electric Meta comp most likely his maiden is 90% above Ele
no deficit outside t2 which was sac anyway
43 lvls lol
wait no, no deficit in any of the 3 teams actually
change siren but it's already fast enough most the time
43 levels is 2 stat brackets, even w/o defecit hes got an advantage
probably why the other guy is so upset that I kept beating him everyday
Maiden without Ele is a bricked Maiden in SR so it's normal to get Ele lines for her
Well, I want Siren in there to force them to counter her. SWHA is in there to nuke .. Jackal and Blanc are mandatory .. so if i want the team to be faster, I need to switch biscuit for a faster RL .. like Trina. But I'm not sure if that's the most ideal replacement
actually .. no wait, i think u're right. I gotta switch Siren
Theres not much needed to “counter” siren
Invested comps will just not care
Hmm so back to the Scar team discussion people had this morning…
I guess my Rapu can’t do the Soline Scar team
2 def lines, 1 blue
Well, my idea is to build enough annoyances to bet on my opponents ignorance or lazyness. Or lack of knowledge. Had a big convo about this last night with the others.
PVE rapunzel
Insane Ele
Can you believe I got these 4 ele dmg lines as is?
Did not reroll
that's not bad actually
pressure Moran
CS would be preferred tho
Well round 3 wasn't deficit. you could try to kill the SWHA team with indom SWHA
When u get god rolls on the unit who deals 2 dps
Yeah that was the drawback
I tried to get more cs but that is on the backburner
I want a sure thing now, so prob sniping the other guy, or the first guy if there are better teams
you may actually run Lap/Emi/Vesti+full SG on team 2.
But yeah, this guy team is easier to beat. Just trust Dair. Or actually send your box so other could cook.
I did get to 11% cs tho
Think u might need to be able to break the nayu team atp, u wont break than moran bisc
Just need to get those two line 3s for cp but not really priority rn
problem with nayu team is the cp
question, do you actually have a built rosanna?
Ya thats why its good i think for def
71010, only like 18% atk though
not usable then meh
40%+ necessary
could roll 
yes
I chose Female MC, tires with running male character only recently.
I mean you can still just out speed with helm on the scar team
His team slow af, vesti dying to helm 3 proves that
My Vesti has 0 cs
you can swap in the ship anyway
rosa? one rock it.



38% atk rosa now 
Ya doppel u could def beat his vesti comp, mainly depends if u can deal with the nayu
the best of the best
nice
Did you reroll two gears?
yea
What are the atk percentages?
back to saving 
Nah get Ele.
How many ele does Rosanna need?
she actually lost like 21k cp to get those atk lines
Like 2?
60% at least
33.10% for me
0 ele

sponsor me more rocks please
pvp too unfair, you can have the best teams but the next guy will just say no to you with his wallet 
need that much dmg to have a chance killing SW without link.
Got 1 empty line 2 and 2 empty line 3s

I will work on that, good sir
I only have 1 rock to last me
Guess eh finally the wind tower unit for elysion mbe
1 rock Black Crit Atk Ele easy.
Because I am farming for boots
will wait til my rocks are back up to like 100 or 150 before rerolling any pvp units
No black or blue lines on my Rosie
me but any units.
I need to fix
need to hoard
Needed those rocks from surface mode
Shifty Up took that away
rng upon rng upon rng in my rng game 

not unit like Anchor
yea I blame their incompetence
Ya didnt realize how much it gave till it was gone
lol I was gonna say the i word for Shifty Up but you beat me to it
doesn't matter, you get a brand new meta dps and you're wasting all your rocks for the foreseeable future on it, and by the time you think you're done they release 2-3 more and you're never catching up
I farmed body last week
I will farm boots next week.
Then Hood next next week
then Arm next next next
Fight Wallet with Wallet
Yeah
I think at this point you are spinning your wheels if you use rocks as soon as you get them
Mmm. Ye.
you guys running out of gear, even with this?
My gear stocks only recently running out for specific pieces
I need more of those
2RL Noah nukes please.
But its rlly just a bit of the other bosses to get enough gear again
wait wait wait did Doppel just blocked me because of my Credit Card meme? NANI
I'm later player doesn't have as much time farming and I accidentally delete half of my hoard last year before I changed to rock only farm.
Severally lack attacker gear. But they gave me like 3 attacker body for the whole last week.

I get close to beating Harvester
I can beat Kraken no prob
I haven’t tried the other bosses
the manufacturer arms thing is a scam
what's that
WUTDAHEEEEELL is that first team?
I only got for phase 7
Old School Mihara
Newbie smh
3rd team centi burst? kinda wild take
slow cindy into round 1, moran team splash noah to death, and noise team vs scar team
Oh yeah I still can’t beat Ziz because my attack (aka Rapipi) is too weak
it doesn't need to be anything because label blocks scar
You mean Label team
be careful that that slow cindy being too low or not deal enough dmg. Record it for science.
Look at the message I replied to 
Ya ive not seen medium cindy swha vs slow cindy before
still no EH kit
Tomorrow
but seems she'll be garbage without looking at it
most likely
like, crow level garbage
She will prob be mediocre mbe decent
but we'll see
Most Likely PVE unit anyways
But she has a niche already
it did say increase atk + massive damage weapon change when burst
Shes SMG
niche called never using her
Elysion only has garbage wind units so she can be used in that tower
in before Trina tier
her saving grace might be a skill that goes like, charge 100% gauge when entering battle
Just use Rapi HelmT Meta
Ya i mean for things like capsules/elem shields
meta meta meta is all u need
oh that ye true
Elysion actually has nothing
tvesti
Its like diesel who nerfs your team
Unless Shift up adds Materials we can farm it can never be enough to upgrade every1
we have strawberry girl for windshield
you mean wind?
That just Elegg, where is she now?
rough
see, u have diesel fully upgrDed
Can someone give me an answer again?
Diesel treasure hmmm
Ya if eh is even like decent she might be usable
nikkes don't count as target 
I don’t have diesel treasure
Just do screenshot, I don't like video
The problem with this game is the Character Release is Frequent
choo choo 
They release decent character then BAM summer LIMITED DORO
I can't send 10 images at the same time. But sure. I'll do 5 at a time.
We always know the next Pilgrim is near
Yeah mana is washed already
my poor scientist waifu
Similar to velvet can be like medium/low invest for niche tower unit
It's faster than you thought
I forgot who post this but It's CONSISTENT
never enough modules
could also attempt this
Actually SWHA instead of helm to make it 2.5
you like selecting the tcenti artwork 
End of April is Consistent Pilgrim so most likely April 19 or close to it is 3.5 anniv
3 more banners till pilgrim hmmm
5 images is possible again in #pvp-arena ? 
BTW Recent April Pilgrim is 2X Pilgrim
so what?
Biscuit> Doro
Bay/Emi > Crown
Trina > Siren/Midhara
until the next mod wakes up with their left foot
Ye. We had it changed. 4 images max doesn't make sense cuz usually we use 5 units at a time, and we want to be able to send all 5 Nikkes.
most mods don't play the game so they don't know what they're doing though
But Rail should be on some time in a bit, ask him 
oh you saved stuff already?
btw, PILGRIM or LIXENS?
It's 24% vs 76%
Im poor so I gotta save
rail is a mod now? 
@hollow lagoon asked for it.
nah meant the teams
my bad
Wa
Nah, I never have anything to save
that was long ago wasn't it
Oh right I did
Well for anniv pilgrims u just gold mileage
I sometimes experiment with Her pvp
just few days ago
I'am a Scientist also
Up
Me too
I ain’t, but my mom is
So I volunteered at her work back in high school and there was this Japanese intern who basically look like mana
she was able to make you

`that coincidence is wild
Same hair style but dyed chest nut color, wears glasses, kekekekkekkek and of course they be in lab coat
You should have taken a Pic
It's like a cosplayer but REAL LIFE
WORK
I wasn’t a degen back then
Is asking a pic from somebody considered Degen?
You mom didn't intended to make you a degen either
20ish years later me thinks, dang she was hot
You can ask her if she declines just don't

too late she already married
Prob is
Btw I meant for a picture not asking her out, I replied late so wrong context.

I didn’t felt the need to get a photo, and how tf I was gonna know mana gonna look like her 20 years later, and if I need a scientist my mom is at home 
True 

Btw how do you guys save your gems
maybe I would be encouraged to save more and not Pull for like all of the units
Just mileage 1% units
Dont go for dupes usually unless unit is insane
Even if they are meta might not need dupes like mihara or siren from last year
Insane is like rapi, swha, vesti lvl
for Mihara crit combo u actually need Mihara dupe to give her certain atk%
Tbh u can usually get 1 copy of every unit
but yea I get the point not be greedy ya?
Not rlly just better atk rolls than rest of team
yea assuming ur lucky tho
My Mihara just won't gimme atk lines
sadly
Dupes only an issue when its a unit like lib where her sbs synergy doesnt work if shes lower atk
And sbs was already a meta unit for a long time most ppl invested
what if you need to f a scientist?
yea that 1 was I just had to pull dupes or Else regret it
Miranda and final atk mechanics are always lame tho
yea but needed to compete high damage in SR fire raid n Snow HA benefits a lot from her
it's like those 2 are best friends
Tbh i think now in future iron/water snows will both like zwei more
now apparently it's MMAST N Zwei
Just no1 built zwei yet
Privaty for SR and Moran for pvp n SR also just too good
Ya
you just had to build them first
Its like how on helm drake miranda release it took a while for ppl to be running drake always
ya
shotgun was being promoted hard that time
I tried shotgun comp C.A just it hits lower damage than most shotgun of the top finish placers
I just had to abandon it
Its used because its easy and cheap tbh esp with nayuta rosa
I do like Lixens better
do ya use it btw?
Alright. We'll see later.
Im not ca pro but yes
And tbh since my rosa always been cope nayu made it actually win sometimes
your estimated winrate with it?
Rosa doesnt need much invest just need nayu to wipe and outlast opps
The real thing is u kinda need sg rosa or absolute built or ur 5th team will be pretty bad
I’d go with lixens too, they should win 1 2 3 as long as they don’t misindom for 2
absolute Nayuta seems interesting
All the top guys last SR built Zwei
Not top tho
But ya itll become meta
I mean both top 1/2 didnt
Depend on which server you are I guess
Some of the 34b/35b did but the leviathans havent invested zwei yet i think
I mean thats from enikk both na/jp used those 5 teams for 38b in top spot
They were 1st and 2nd
I guess
Then don't invest in zwei then
My point was they didnt build zwei yet not that shes bad lol
Not that they didn't, just that it's worse
Invest in moran/prov was better for this sr
Some guys could get all 3
But they didn't use her because she is worse.
Plain and simple
for Shinonon at least it made him top 1 at SEA
ye moran is the anti underdog, good luck 
His score was lower
They dont have infinite yellow books to max that many units at once
at last, you're kinda late tho, told you years back 
Idk what was his score at the end.
he prolly can score higher but it also means whaling more than he already is doing tho
I installed AK before you install Nikke.
wait Railtracer quit Nikke?
no he's just drunk
Maybe too much coffee?

It's fact
bro I was 14
easy with the drugs 
Woah Nice meme
I typo, before not because

Oh the rail lives
yes sometimes i sleep, my bad
Ur mom is behind you, prepare the for science excuse
i can smell it

Or maybe


Shinonono guide for EF Laev rotation is goated
Isn't Dair alr cook you something
For that one? no
2nd guy
also, I think the other guy was reading through my messages here earlier
and just copy pasted the other guy's team lol
just realized he changed them to the same setup
well that doesn't work for him because he isn't cp gaping you
so you can actually jsut scar nuke the blanc team and kill the nayuta team with moran noah biscuit vesti helmT and the round 3 you can try SWHA indom
either way, it helps me that they're both using the same teams, so I can just prepare one lineup and snipe whoever I want at reset 
let me look at its speed
pretty sure the stun lands after moran b1
2RL so soda can hit noah at least
support burst will trigger before attack/targeting burst at same speed
idk if stunning noah for 1 sec matters though
Yeah, just to silence noah, make Biscuit burst
2nd guy, just run 2x 2RL for Teams 1 and 2 no? 
if you want a for sure win do jackal scarlet trina centi helm and moran noah biscuit vesti SWHA
I have scarlet team set up like that just so trina doesn't have a chance at dying from splash in p2
though it actually probably doesn't matter if she dies
@tropic summit what you think
his rosanna is 18% attack so thats a no go
scar team into blanc and moran into the nayuta team
also probably just fine to set scar team up like scarlet trina centi helmT jackal
2rl doable 
I really can't go back to Scarlet without Stun
with first guy you'd need to play CP tetris but can work on the same archetypes
run this against the second guy
record 
@lunar pawn You got teams from rail
am I getting solo'd by maiden again
there's a team i wanted to test against their T3 archetype, it's the above
they're not 2RL, theoretically you shouldn't as you feed little to nothing
I had him do moran anchor helmT trina SWHA before and xmaiden got indom and killed the whole team just fyi
moran kicks them in 2RL
right but frame wise helm b3 hit vesti
wont moran taunt the siren stun into her?
he can run slower indom either way, it's just that it's a boring solution and i get nothing out of it
we've discussed this in the past weeks, siren p2 against moran/noah 2RL will stun noah
Oh we finally have a solid answer on it 
so far it has been consistent on the people i recommended it to, hopefully it stays that way
What does the ⚡ sign indicate?
High CS roll
11%?
like 15% for RL and 11% for SR
Ah I see thats high
yea I tried the siren stun some days ago on moran noah as well, lands on noah
cp wise I can hit any of the 2 guys
btw can a tanky blanc die from just vesti if I put her in p3?
not unless they crit
well you got rail teams for that 1 guy so hopefully they work
SR15 blanc on tempering and with some cores shouldn't die to vestiTU alone
SR 15, tempering 15 and core 6
Does cores mean beyond MLB or just dupes in general
cores beyond mlb
ye doesn't sound easily killable by vesti alone
they'd need nayuta or emilia together
So if people here say cores they most likely mean beyond MLB?
yes
Okay good to know
Yeah exactly I just wasnt sure if the dupes and cores were used interchangibly
Too late.
define tanky
110% Ele 50% ATK core 7 vesti
And 21% cs

Atp u can have it bro
well the guy I'm building the defense for does not have that
Hes using rapunzel scarlet soline trina jackal to cheese me with rapu stuns
don't worry, that's less than 1% of the community who can run that sh*t
realistically speaking, you won't meet that
and even assuming you eventually do, it means you can't defend to begin with no matter where you put blanc
so people getting max cs vesti are giving up ammo? or ele
Generally speaking you only need 1 black line Ammo on Vesti and that would barely be enough
hmmmmmm
Nah don't
you don't need black lines, ele past 2 lines is overkill
Piece 1
atk
cs
ele
Piece 2
atk
cs
ele
Piece 3
atk
cs
ammo
Piece 4
atk
cs
ammo
We need to overkill
x4 atk, x2 ammo, x2 ele, x4 cs
yeah good luck having rocks to throw for that, you're not being realistic
who the f* gonna fish black lines on that
I'm not being realistic I'm being sarcastic

so I get rid of crit for cs and get rid of line 1 ele on head piece
for 2 cs rolls
bah arguably vesti is fine on x2 CS already
you've to think of your budget and how far you wanna take it
once you hit x4 atk x2 cs and x2 ammo, she's already handling most scenarios
getting the x2 ele is for denying noah and blanc more easily
I for sure need to get rid of the crit sometimes because its doing nothing for me as I dont run her with absolute
its just cp pad
think I'll do
Noise noah rumani privaty SWHA
and put blanc p3 with centi p4?
Prevents noise team from losing if she dies put puts blanc into danger in p3
feel like it would be harder to kill blanc
interesting team but sensible on noah p2
if they commit they can kill her
might wanna move noah in p4 or p5
p5 is still sensible to snipers but less risky
p4 she's realistically unkillable if you're on noise taunt priority
noah has more cs
and even if they pull SGs, you've backup B1
keep in mind that team is likely still weak to SG + rosanna tho
no matter the placement, they can kill p1
Would get noise dr buff up
My noise is pretty tanky but yeah idk if she can survive tripple sg
@leaden canyon my 50 cents
they'll kill noise with SG, procc rosanna, they B1 onto privaty and swha, you're without noise B1
rosanna is lethal on both water codes at that point
you'd need noise to be bursting, but against 4SG + rosanna noise dies pre 2RL B1
I mean its question if noise dies pre burst and if snow rosa conceal wipe and noise dr passive make them live
Itd need to be a cracked rosa sg team at 660 sync
noise in p1 is 100% dead against SG, there's no question
bsoda + drake + noir delete her within 2RL B1
Yes in ca
especially since he's on noise taunt priority, noah can't pull p1 and p2
no in SP aswell... there's no difference, both modes he's not gapping
this is a defense team
Higher sync has exponentially more def growth since u get more def + hp, while only linear atk up
Higher sync units are much tankier
yeah good tell noise to survive 4 SGs, one of which is bsoda who hits on ele weak, good luck 
no matter the scaling, noise gonna get r4ped
we live 1 more
you gonna need to live in lala land to seriously think synchro 700 can save ur noise p1 against 4 SGs
im so cooked
I meant more that since the sync higher the passive might be enough already
it's not
you don't even need to think about that, are you aware of how much dmg is 4 SGs within 2RL B1 and with 1 of those on ele weak?
one word: lethal
So with the third team I'm trying nayuta but was also considering bay, do you think either one is a better option or just try one and switch if it loses
scrap T3, that's ABC scarlattable
damn I always have trouble coming up with something for the last spot
Nayu just beats scar tho?
it's not a bad team mind you, but helmT as main B3 also leaves it open to kiting and padding with slow teams
🤝 me too
that team promotes scarlet into 1.5RL, nayuta isn't even on B2
you're dead before they can get going
ppl tend to forget how much AR feeds all too easily lately
so I guess just go bay? like idk what else I could even do different realistically here, every time I try slow cindy it doesn't work either
at least bay prevents the nuke I guess
Moreso need to test def and swap if its broken
moran + bay + biscuit archetype
or
noise + bay + biscuit archetype
The remainer, moran/noise with noah
Make more teams in standby
@humble tiger sorry I forgot your comment.
what does delta ninja do
Doesnt matter
her best
at what treasure level does centi feed the enemy?
Lost CA earlier this time. Being Noiseless feels bad 
damn that archtype makes it 2.5 because I dont have the cs on emilia
any new spvp team ideas
Did u discourage him?
anyone knows?
taunt like absolute-less emma, if you mean in pvp
stop at phase 1
yea
post your previous 3 def teams
Me? Nah. Just same teams
What archetypes does this beat? I tried it and it was quite bad. Just sg?
helm main B3 for the most part, nayuta 2RL aswell
the last 3 pic is
SG, some Noah team. Maybe scar team. Maybe Absolute team. Maybe 2rl Nayuta team.
Nero team as well
I see, maybe it was so weak for me because no rumani invest
let me set up my next fight
no that's just a situational team
ymmv
it's weak per se, but strong when you use it against the right team
Lost the coin flip then 
To beat scarlet team for sure for example, you want Cindy p2, Rumani p1
is bay all 7 enough or does some of her need to be leveled to 10?
Better then getting sweeped
ok thoughts? I'm the attacker in the bottom
What about vote %.
imagine you reach finals with those
then you win and everyone copy pasta the jackal-rosanna
so wait, would I put noah p2 with biscuit on the team? or does noah p4 not get siren taunted and thats why shes there
Probably lose
Probably win
May win
May lose
May lose, more win chance than 4 I guess.

Gimmick comp mostly
SP arena
- nayuta centi helmt label emilia
- moran siren swha laplaceT noah
- jackal trina cindy drakeT lib
Notes
- you can run multiple variants, if this fails you can run different archetypes
- label s2 can be lvl 4, doesn't need to be lvl 10
I got her heal to 10.
we cope 
2nd time I face a 3x champion in this bracket 
Its all levelable but low return
@tropic summit no buff lib can’t keel Moran buffed bay set 
no, noah p4 is because it's the only position she cannot be target, as you're on noise taunt priority and no unit can hit p4 as of yet
if noah p2 with biscuit she's also safe
you need to:
- be siren resistant
- be SG resistant
- be vestiTU resistant
ye someone yesterday was saying you needed biscuit, guess that's situational on the buffs on lib
oh I meant on the rumani privaty SWHA noah biscuit version you suggested there
same thing, meet conditions on #pvp-arena message
Yeah lost vs this Scarlet but even if Cindi had immune there Nayuta was already dead from Rosanna.
@worldly osprey This CA only 4-5 guys left from smoler bracket.
We have a chance of meeting in the final but I won't hold my breath.
Okay I counted wrong, around 7-8 from our smol bracket still.
Does her own nuke not snap shot 160% atk up?
so wouldn't noah p2 with biscuit on the team be better so priv gets less pressure on her being in p2
the biscuit thing has to do with her overflow damage, biscuit prevents overflow
but if her nuke to begin with is non lethal via moran DR and bay DR combined, then you don't need to worry about overflow
You don't make Nayuta your 1st or 2nd highest attack there.. otherwise it's to be expected.

mm actually Idk if his rapunzel can land a stun in t4, she's c3 sr15
I’m aware, but how to buff lib in this case? Do I have to use Blanc equivalent or can I go with attack up like redhood
Yes
Hard to say. That's pretty tanky. So you have more of a chance
we cope for top 8
- crown is the best buffer in her case due to how her kit works
- blanc is also great because she directly counters DR on moran
- RH/liter/label can all work as atk% buffers
- anchorIM/mmast and similar also work
Also won against indom Drake 
So lib nuke does not snap shot her own skill 2 attack up 
she benefits from buffs that are applied after FB, if anything
reason to why if she dies mid nuke, the nuke gets nerfed
It does but more damage is more damage
I am getting scammed out of credits
how is someone getting away with teams like this
Whale luck
Just feeling more additive is not helpful nuff
340/260 still like 20% more or so

Rookie brackets ftw
@glad meteor i don't know rick
looks like biscuit isn't even needed 
My lib is only 3 atk but still 
But maybe I know brick
you need tempering with Moran Bay? Or is 50% dmg reduc enough 
My slow Cindy not doing good I think Tis time to scrap it
I guess technically 60%
bench her in CA, keep her in bed
Problem is making another team
what do I roll? Scar?
get creative, use your cursed cooks
Oh man

@swift mango give me ur UID when you set up A:endfield
My Vesti is just better


How goes the fields
End
Yesterday or the day before, this exact match up I was able to wipe Cindy before she burst, not now. 
It's bad when enemy SW/Cindy are weak and couldn't kill my Ade in time.
nice moran 
This is why I need Emma or Delta. 
not only that, side advantage cuz they're shooting on the wrong side 
literally won lotto, the beauty of CA
skilllllll issue
they had swha on my rosana
what more could they ask for
not getting f*ed by RNG probably
meaningless that you kill swha but then get stuck attacking nayuta
it's like dodging the first accident only to end up jumping from a cliff
yes i meant the enemy getting stuck attacking nayuta, else they'd won, side advantage
they have to attack nayuta regardless no>
Drake died just before shooting lol

@gritty ridge
Managed to get him today
682 v 727 sync
Use taunter like Emma or Delta so you don't have to worry about RNG.
imagine if drake wasn't stuck 3 hours attacking nayuta
nah there's an easier option, don't give a f*k like i do and don't give them money for releasing boring ass gamemodes
She still stuck on Nayuta instead of attacking rosa

no, she'd kill bsoda, then get stuck on nayuta, nayuta dies, he finishes off rosanna
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