#pvp-arena
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Filter all together not seperated by burst lvl
To be honest I got all of them except velvet sora and chainsaw Collab characters, but I have no investment on many nikkes
Makes it easier to build cuz u can see the CP levels
SP arena
- nayuta trina helmt rh emilia
- jackal vestiTU blanc centi laplaceT
- moran siren swha lib noah
go with these for now, you can run more patterns as you've most pvp core units
increase doll although on noah and noise asap (both want SR5 minimun, ideally SR15)
Like this?
Yea but rail already fixed it no problem lol
yes that's prefered to have an easier time to make teams
I have to use this team to attack?(Btw ty so much)
those are defense teams, attack is based on what you facing
until you grow more experienced you can use the same teams to attack
if you start losing, ask for help here, because you probably running the wrong matchup or units
Oh , every meta team has their own counter team 🤯
Srry and thnx
to give you a few ideas, this is a team sensible to indom (lack of biscuit and hard tanks)
still need to get a person for my union 
this team instead can be kited against via noah + biscuit synergy
i'll join
this team will kill enemy units too fast, which can be abused with rosanna to gain fast burst early on
nein

just get Rail to join
Wow there are many fact about arena that u need to know
watch your matches sometimes too 
this team can stun noah, preventing enemy anti nuke
There are inmortal teams vs faster teams
rock, paper, scissor, the essence of this game pvp arena
This last one y show me I invested on scarlet and Trina cuz I really like them but never use them on pvp 😔
scar-trina is a very common attack team, can punish most slow teams or teams that lack anti nuke or early damage
showcase example

Wow , I thought pvp teams were less than PvE teams but there are many composition, try to do both and try get good score in both it's really hard and almost kinda impossible
not as much recently

SWHA, helmT, liberalio, nayuta, moran have had usage in both pvp and pve
i do both
its not that bad
Umm 😳
privaty arguably has a spot in both modes aswell
And u try to get good results in both , for example I'm f2p so I have to give priority to my PvE nikkes(stones and dolls and ol) but somebody told me I could use my PvE for pvp too
that's sort of true for the units i mentioned above for example
that is literally this post lol #pvp-arena message
Get and keep and slot on top 10 arena is really hard in my server
Lmfo
f2p makes that hard but not like you can't compete at an OK level still
most pvp units dont really need that much investment anyways
and the ones that need are often used in campaign or sr
if you lack unit investment in general you will lose anyway
f2p or spender (unless big wheel)
It's good to know it
double value on investing in dual purpose units
arguably vesti TU good in some pve as well especially if pushing on campaign still
Well I gonna try teams u gave me giys
moran for ex has some insane value rn
Guys*
and siren
has a spot on her tower, sr, pvp, and campaign
Not arguably vesti is very key for deficit pushing honestly
but loses value if you nearly done with hard mode
I do use her a lot but it's a one time deal
I guess so yeah Im not that far into the game
But yea when theres no mobs left she definitely loses value
the earlier you are the more value you get on her
Bossing she is mid
i'm not done quite yet but I can see myself out-scaling even latest hard mode in maybe a year from now
you're a whale
Nice
Thats hippos
Hippo
Tell this guy if hes gonna copy me, do it right
I sent them a message don't you worry
Already done, I could defeated top 9 I have a spot, now I need to invest in those team and try to keep my slot , ty so much dude
My vigor cube is low I need to improve it

He was using vesti instead of lib, which is the proper way
Now he uses lib so I just hit em with the 1rl scar
How do I counterpick this team composition? 
T1/3 are nonsense
They are all non sense
Blow up t1 with random nuke and defensive measures
Kill t2 with slow Cindy
2rl scarlet /provity wipe t3
@spiral onyx post spotted on Reddit
I Did It! I look Veri Veri Scarii now 
PAIN
crusadia was in my last SPA - looked pretty f2p so was fighting hard to get into CA lol
I'm in group 52 this time

Looked too f2p for hippo
not the f2p like hime, but actual f2p lol
this was a while ago, but you can see they have some competition but still got in top 4 each time lol
and they'd often sneak into 2nd or 3rd lol
Bro is like me, letting the investment carry us
trusting the process indeed

Now i wonder how nero moran gonna perform, been months i do not use the team
Like maybe during S10
eats well against some teams, badly on others lol
I don't see it much anymore
think you basically auto lose against any good vesti or sw team
Yeah, and today was checking bracket and some people using it, along with Ein indom
I put nero in P5 this time
Cuz good snow might eat her alive
But also not many people using peaksolute this season

interesting? making a comeback? 😄
Is there any counters to moranT/noah/SWHA/HelmT/emilia?
apparently
The moran treasure on burst skill makes their snow white pretty scary
4-5 SG's
execution squad on moran if you can kill her before b1
My viper and drake are full treasure but idk
if it's rookie and you're in cp range you could try it
if not then slow cindy may win
@midnight marsh still alive
or indom your own SW
indom should do the trick
I haven't been able to crack top 6 in months

It's sad
Everybody is too serious
I tried budgeting four gems per day for a week and still ended 6th 
Nobody in the top 10 is outside of combat power range so anyone can easily take rank 1 if they wanted
But yeah I haven't made CA in a long time
None of my units are lacking ofc

thats no bueno
everyone gemming i think
If u wanna whale on synchro level.... im like 60 levels up on 2nd place so im kinda lonely that nobody ever attacks me
Sometimes it’s a test of attrition and luck
I was stuck on c7 for a long while and gave up for months
Then people started quitting or isekai-ing
Then before I knew it, I got c4 without even doing anything
And I hadn’t played pvp anything in over 1/2 a year

Like that?
also having a snow and helm in the same team, will burst really fast
this looks like an extremely bad idea 
what about Jackal/SnowHA/HelmT/Blanc/LaplaceT? make sure snow gets the indom
How about blanc/snowHA/HelmT/biscuit/jackal?
give a try
Oh we thought of similar builds except you're recommending laplace
Easy W
Very weak against rosanna teams but works against moran
Kereska made it but not me. 
I bet our difference in points is only on hundreds. I stayed in CH3-4 longer than them.
oof
i do faintly recall saying chilling in c5 until 'x' time (if that's what you did), wasn't a good idea 
but if you didn't do that, then u hate to see it. revenge time
PLEASE NO! HAVE MERCY ON MY 112K gems.
Yeah. I'm making it to CA this time, hopefully. I've been sitting in CH2 for at least 16 hours a day.

revenge time 
I hope shes ight cuz I kinda wanna pull
underboob 
they did her design dirty
Immaculate drip though ngl.
watch them launch a remediation in the form of a $20 or $60 skin
she looks like this 
Just need to see what she does for sure
Would be nice to have a full skip banner but a mid elysion wind dps could be ok
I need her to be an elec dps

I hope she uses sg but she fires once every minute and does no dmg
bunker buster
made a hole to ark
I want her to be genuinly worse than crow
guess its time to read the story
I am at the end of 42
hard mode?
yar

ziz
thats 40
40-36
Never grind for pvp, waste of time because numbers dont make sense. just buy a hacking system . Because a paying hacker cannot be banned.
Idk man, maybe dont run a mirror match
Especially such an rng mirror match like scar rosa
He could also just have more cs than you
Which it looks like he does
the amount of rocks spent mindless rerolling for max stats is just dull and stupid at times.
i should just spend the money buying the lottery
you could have just run a 2 RL noah and thats an easy win. the only way you run a mirror match is if you are confident you have better investment that your enemy and are sure to win
@umbral belfry i do it for us 😤
that's crazy if the other guy has more charge speed lines than you of course that's gonna happen
also it's really bad running same comp with other guy you never know what lines they have
What decides if you are attacking or defending in Group stage?
my whale opponent copied my scarlet comp only to lose to me consistently considering I have like most RL at 17% or more CS
Actually nice question I still don't know what is the category
Maybe the highest in the Advance bracket is the defender
cause usually attacker n defender in top 64 below are left or right
left being the defender
Rng
Group is just pure rng

RNG hmmm
w 
nothing. it's pure rng
also 

aight bet or should I go full Quantum team?
Quantum wont affect the matchup if its a cs dif
you should just not mirror match 
wao level 14
This too
if it hits 2.5 to 2rl but if not then not
unlinked at that
you can try tho
maybe it will help you with that team with like 2RL to 1.9 rl or something
ultimately I suggest not play play Mirror
yea losing. pvp sucks now. im out peace
'maybe you should stop mirror matching'
'no'
idk how my helm died but ok
😭 you could just 2rl noise noah cindy helm rumani and call it a day, that's a w
cant afford it, his 3rd team has that combo
but you do not need to force yourself to beat 1 specific team, show all 3 teams and attack acordindly
its fin ill just fold, i need gems for new anis and neon anyways. just came to rant. Peace out
this is @wild hemlock 's fault

Trvke
it's only my fault if I win group stage, otherwise your fault. I may actually lose though I got countered super hard by 1 guy it's unbelievable
same
but also imagine winning CA bigboi
might need to keep imagining for a bit for you

I had the pope himself pick my team order

LMAO
can anyone help me build spa teams?
Lol
Oh it's not a whale per say, the guy has invested PVE units but all of his PVP units have like no invest, it's just insane counters like his label vs my scarlet, his lib vs my slow cindy, his wsoline vs my shotguns ect. If I lose your fault 
All 3 of my opponents decided to run scarlet team 5 into my label this advance xd
1 of my matches is a coinflip though. If im on attack my sg team loses and I get 2nd. On defense I win and get 1st

@tropic summit can u help me with my nikke?
me first
Then me 
then me 
Chef rail going to cook a 5 star meal for everyone


rail catching strays
could someone help me with this?
this as pictured was actually suggested by railtracer (a week ago) but t2 loses
here is video of it
soda isn't leveled yet
Soda bencher smh
Do you have CS for VesTac
Otherwise SWHA might be better choice
vestitu?
Yes, or how many ATK line you have on her
yeah no
I guess not good, also I was looking again into vesti buffed by ada like yesterday
but yesterday I screwed up by ada stealing indom
today I can't figure out if I can make it 2rl, only 2.5rl (unless I'm missing something, or maybe its not even needed)
damn I have no idea lol 
nahahh
as long as that Blanc survive till burst, should be fine
hold on
Leave me alone! Goddamn.
Welp, I'll probably drop to CH3 once the Chinese guy wakes up.
at least its like this and not like in my case there is clown on 10th place keeps attacking me when I'm 7th, but he is not pushing higher
so all he does is just keeps saving 4th place ass
He probably can't attack past you.
he is literally getting nothing from doing this
At least you can fight
The only reason why I'm losing is because I'm lacking PvP essentials.
They're just whalin tbh lol
The Holy Trinity of Defenders...
Biscuit, Noah and Blanc
And the Holy Trinity of Burst Gen
Centi, Rumani, and Trina.
Avg top 20 is 5M
Well, Centi is a stretch, because Jackal is the top burst gen in PvP and I have her so...
New player
Unlucky too.
I also started without them tho
But I managed to keep top 3 until random whale shows up
I've always been using AI.
My bad
It's just that the game always gives me Abnormal Supporter Boots. Hence my new name.
It has been 8 months huh. 
Why is winning 10 difficult? Don't tell me it's Fahrenheit eating all the trophies?
Or can there only be 1?
He eating all the ones in his bracket indeed. Around 60% of it.
Well, all his PvP units, all his uits for that matter, definitely have perfect black OLs.
His other enemies on SPA probably have like a 200 synch diff from him.
No he doesn't. It's just a combine of high research level, whale luck and day one players don't invest much into arena.
Huh. I was hoping that with all his whaling every unit he has have perfect OLs.
Especially in SEA where getting top 200 SR easier most old active players options for that
He invested into Solo raid too. Unless his whale luck is that strong he won't have enough rock.
Getting all the line he wants is a thing, getting them all black is another. 
Even max out whale who invested into Solo raid only don't have everyone of their dps all black lines.
Welp... next month then.
For example a guy with all black line and max core Emi would have her CP 260k in CA, the guy who show didn't even have that high a research level like Fah.
Mmm... welp, since everyone's at the same level, it's just a game of inches.
Investments and research.
Even if the researches only gives like a few thousands of stats, those add up in the long run.
CP pad 
Fah Emi is only 190k for example
Even worse than my Scarlet.
And my Scarlet only 2 blue line
What does Emi do btw? I heard she's like the Top PvP unit.
She is basically SW but a bit weaker
Her burst gen could be very high with 25% CS on her OL + cibe
Otherwise LapT tier
Hmm. I'm thinking of building LapT if I actually get her resources. A backup for SRM Ultra since I still haven't cleared it in Challenge, and also for Missilis Tower. I have like 300+ of the selector from SRM and she's literally the only one worth building. And building her means I can exchange the remainder into other useful items.
a little more points so he could keep c10 at the end even if he got hit down when he off line.
yet he does this
he is on 7th place, so he cold actually kill 4th place guy (now 10th)
but he didn't attack me either now
yeah, looks like he only hit to get a bit more points for C10 and save 1 hit to get back c10 when he drop.
weird dude but I guess it's how he roll
Nooooo not my sr bricko
Guys someone help, I only need help with 2nd and 3rd one 1st I know I can win this
Guys I got kicked from ch8 to ch10 should I go back up with my last attempt or hold for if someone takes me even lower?
Looks like 3rd is free kill
With your setup
Idk how u can lose it
Probably because they get the first shot faster than I can
How does that work?
Better late than never
But you needed this
So, well done
I hate it when I die with hp
Rrh died with indom and hp again
Man how can I avoid this maybe next time I shd jackal p1 instead of eating helm
Beats me
This is why we record our runs
Mmmm
The third one is literally the first one and as I said I never lost
When I meant third I meant teams
Oh you sent hem in reverse ic
Just run matching speed rrh indom vs their lib comp or do MoranT noah
Or siren stun their noah
oh that there's always a delay of blanc buff it happens when u timed it just right
More like just wrong 
It can also be called Lucky
cause it rarely happens
even to me
Blanc is called the Lucky bunny after all XD
@river dune Kill their whatever Cindy comp and win, could be too slow tho

I see too bad I don't have label any other Nikkes I can use?
This works TYVM
Might as well toss this into t1 for science
@tropic summit me on my friend’s account 
Thought I was screwed when Blanc stun but eahhhh
I do love a Noah p1
SEEMS Meta to me
le zant playing actual pvp, such a rarity
I tot this was your account, then I read friends account
I was like how do you even lose top 1 spot adasdasdasda I read late

Zant's far from a casual player dude pushes campaign on high deficit if it's at all possible
High deficit for me is like 30%
not that I got a choice
I don’t think I ever went above 40
SP arena
- noise siren vestiTU liberalio noah
- nayuta trina helmt rh drakeT
- jackal blanc swha biscuit cindy
Notes
- get moran treasured, then laplaceT and privT
- some core utilities are lowly invested, build up blanc, centi, biscuit, trina
- wishlist/build up rumani
- some pvp core units are lowly invested, build up vestiTU
get your teams upgrade once the above are done
nah he sees blue CP even when he wakes up 


I reckon zanta doing his job at blue cp
most of us at red cp on our jobs probably

That’s kind of yeah
Well not really
My job require me to use new tools all the time kind of derpy
but you just overload them and up their skills and it's done 😄
you just using the wrong glasses
put on the whel glasses and they turn blue
your red cp still seems to weight a bit less than other people red CP 
slackin'
Should I open cases or embrace the mald

refuse low clear pause strats, return to suffering 

wtf is that team
This is suffering + pause + timing a pasisve skill proc
A team that no one will understand
@fathom rock it would be curious if you can somehow clear zizx at 561 or 581, at least it would give me and @glad meteor hopes
work smarter not harder sir 😄
cuz kara already threw the towel and he's going 601
I think you have a similar mindset though
I can see Rail min-maxing his job pretty good
Ain’t ziz at 561 the standard?
I would just crown moran SWHA vestiTU helmT and idk wtf the stage is
Launcher spam its why takina is here also this works bc my deficit becomes 35%
i'm held back by cores and lack of general CP, but i'll never fall to this game scam system to bait ppl in spending 
cores in real life? 😮
dunno lemme check again, 2 asians dude cleared at 561 but they had a ton of cores
Crown moran SWHA rrh helmT should work no?
or privaty treasure
They will but then I won't get lowest clear 
it's why I don't gun for lowest clear
@hollow lagoon oh right it was midhara clears
these stages were painful enough
without making my own job even harder, but retro built diff
@glad meteor did you try with midhara like above?
I wonder if I still have lowest clear on some of the stages
Nah these stages are easy you have Moran T and swha, you by default have smooth time
im on NA
as pve go0n you surely have her on 80% ele 40% atk
If my 90/40 mihara don't work will report
thank you good sir
give us hopes 
501 clear it seems
But give me 5 weeks to beat these stages
Or do I just abooz it
haha... you've more than 3 months don't worry 
Time to make a vote
⬅️ for mald lowest
➡️ for stop bricking
Korean is catching up bro 474 sync
Everyone and their moms telling me to stop bricking 
...were you at least close? 
Cuz there’s no point to mald for lowest when 2 month later people get better unit to clear your record
1300 bars
@fathom rock lord save us 
Was doing my friend’s ziz and 956 bars left
Should I make ada 101010 for mc
what synchro and how much of a f2p is that friend
612 1 star rapi 3 ele 3 atk 1 ammo Lel
jesus christ we're so screwed 

I been fighting 1240 tower ziz and my best run has been crown rrh morantT helmT privatyT
tbh unless its with true dmg, true dmg will take all the lowest clears
Lack cores and stuff, free to play, no treasure Moran so have to use the neglected anchor cuz bro don’t like small girls
Idk why I'm losing.
Wot your sync again good sir?
674 now I think
Need some help here.
been stuck on ziz for a while
strange thing to say in 2026 
post the 3 enemy teams and your box
with that defense? they can just siren stun nayuta
It's rookie.
you have?
ok post their team and your box
yeah 1240 tower ziz not hard mode
Hard mdoe has been done since day 1
ohh was gonna say kind of crazy if I caught you in campaign lol
i'm on tower 777 just because I like the number

and I'm like 400 levels above next person 😄
Their b3 is p1. Self explanatory
what a booly
I keep some tower levels for now for rainy day gems or w/e. I have some ex stages to clear for same reason
when priscilla arrives I'll collect
No more bricking it is, time to run at full throttle to ziz
welcome back, now join us in the struggle and clear the path for us mortals 
what can I run here? 
Around 400 
jackal blanc SWHA (clipRL) helmT, this should work.
when playable in game?
i need too 
btw I am still full cope for Marciana treasure next set
and when it comes true it will be glorious

Just find my box. IT LITERALLY NEVER CHANGED.
Win indom war with vesti, and free kill scarlet
Expect that I'm missing Biscuit, Blanc, Siren, Rumani, Trina, Noah, and whoever else.
And I'm attacking SIRI.
Well then stop missing them
You are fighting people with units when you have no good units

no noah in 2026 
Time to fix this
run these
My patience is being worn thin.
is your label blocking his cindy burst or no
F no. Of course not

I think u come back here when your account is no longer bricked
Meanwhile enjoy brick
ignore those 3 until you at least unlock blanc + jackal or helmT
your box lacks the tools to deal with those
It's only Blanc. IT'S ONLY BLANC AAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Only Blanc
ye you're close 
I'm sending it!!
Blanc jackal standard

what did I say
Backsh*
discord doesn't like backsh0ts cuz it's naughty
Based discord
URGH! AAAAARGH!!
Frontshot it is then
sideshots then
stahp 
Bro makes spending gems on standard banner a big deal 
how about vertical-back shots
Wait a sec is the word allowed if you space it
I get nothing anywhere anyway.
My luck went to the two abnormal shits.
For first 8 month of this game I pulled standard over special recruit to fill my box in a controlled manner
Chisato in 2
Takina in 19
jackal vesti helmT SWHA centi, can just try and out speed it
What Centi?
Just do 1000 pulls and come back to me later
Ur missing like everything lmao
right time to go and improve rails ship
oh good point gonna throw some assists to the TAV lad aswell
Challenger 2 btw.
How would I know?
shooting range, pause and check the buffs
Alright.
jumpin jackal
is the buff
you will just out speed tf out of his team is whats going to happen
Wait. This is against a Cindy lmao. Also I might be on a deficit.
cheers
Less than 240k.
t1 swha nuke too slow to be released before noah stun runs out ig
oh right they had no backup B2 in T1 oh well, other 2 worked 
lmao
Yeah. My VestiTU is bad.
Yeah. I think I'm cooked.
@lunar pawn you've good lines on vestiTU btw, you deleted blanc without even needing nayuta
done Rail 🤝
Ok so I built moran (and her treasure) where do I put her in?
Nayuta helmT SWHA hood (best burstgen you have for last spot)
I find it strange. Because nothing really changed on their team.
They only went 3 levels and suddenly I'm losing.
won't use her yet, keep her for when that def breaks
she can fit in different archetypes than the ones you running
WTF happened? I went from going 5-0 to going 1-4 on that team.
I can send your last one lol
@tropic summit how can you explain this phenomenon?
try this
This guy just went 3 level ups and now I'm losing.
nothing too crazy, gotta work on her sometime 
yeah just completed it 
btw you guys should add me on endfield
yeah that's juicy atk%
code doko 
your sub account?
bad matchup, it's dependant on lines and invest as you're not countering but just fighting similar archetype
That's literally my go-to team. And it lost to it 3 times.
wait till you unlock units that you can run counters with, then it will be consistent
The uh, defense is already breaking sorta... But I am managing to hold onto 6th place
the wait continues 
oh you have lib, did you try b3 with her instead of helm?
Ye. Definitely weird.
Yes. Same thing. That's actually my 2nd loss.
yeah figured, lib too delayed
My third loss was when I swapped RJ with Jackal.
My fourth was a win, when I used Label.
And when I used the same team again I lost.
Privaty treasure might work here
just noticed one of my opps is a 3x champ 
I'm 10 mileage away from a 2LB Priv.
Shall I make that 200?
are you close in CP with top 4?
or they can gap you?
Lol, its not a guarantee either if it would work. You could try and survive the nuke with noise m.anchor helmT SWHA jackal.
What Noise?
idk, never sent full roster and only seen scraps 
I think you cooked
Could do slow cindy
or wait no rumani
Slow rumani
I have higher cp then the 3 above me but I cannot beat them
6768837487
6768837487
what code is this?
endfield
Looks like challenger 2 time to me
we can beat em, post ch3-ch4 teams
20 synchro you generally always in range unless they reeeeeally p2p
It sucks ass.
OK if you don't have $30K I have no choice but to add you anyway 😛
very familiar teams 
I’m push over @gritty ridge Can take me out with 200 syncro gap
I have too many of these 
the only problemo the teams he fighting at 36% are garbo 4RLs
he'd fight your ultra padded teams on 2RL instead, good luck 
How to beat slow cind at 30% deficit

taking a look
box: #pvp-arena message
I'm rn raising Emilia and vesti to try to 1 up this at this point lol
A very very stronk lib nuke
in the meantime @white folio run
jackal blanc swha biscuit laplaceT in shooting range, with laplaceT having vigor equipped
enter battle, pause, click on swha and lappy and check their HP
I added you Dair
Got it
same
Oh btw, I barely have a grasp on cubes
So most of my teams have resilience and quantum
ye that's fine just need vigor in specific here to ensure lappy has more HP than SWHA
you can check HP as of right now without cubes equipped and if she already has more HP you're good already
got it and did ship stuff for you

dw about religiously doing ship stuff for me btw 🙂
I did what you had up lol
the limit of 5 things per day is low and I already used mine today haha
but I'll try and swing by yours when I can 🙂
they need to let me do the ship stuff without actually visiting your ship that would be cool - there is a dev diary in a day or two I think
where we'll get more info on upcoming changes and units and things
zanta you ship anything with anything
Rail I sent you two clues

Not confirming or denying
can't deny it 
What has this place become
you better ship siren with levi 
Siren is mine, levy is the lube machine
i'm going to see if I can do some of these damn side quests before they expire lol
Laplace has approx... 1 mill more than sw
Without vigor
Nuh uh, I ship siren with me, behe with me, ziz with me, and Levi with the chair
rename yourself from bigboi 57 to playboi 69 
good we can run her with indom team
Levi x Mihara, lib X mighty tools
Indom...?
assemble these teams for that matchup and let's crosscheck CP before running
No im egg hatcher boi

digimon is better
Highest Ive been
(most likely people arent claiming tho lol)
@gritty ridge pokemon doesn't have these kind of "monsters" 
Cp wise you could be 1
RIP
Muh childhood
dafuq those are insane crackships 
Pheromosa is enough. She can crack me.
when bois became men
Wdym, have you seen jynx

Nahh when u look at the 3 teams Im cp gapped
A little paragraph. Got a few questions to get better at pvp .. So I'd appreciate a comprehensive answer.
I've been reading a lot of Nikke Reviews on Prydwen to understand individual Nikke and their threat better.
In Team 1, the main threat is Blanc, correct? Jackal is there to make this team incredibly fast. But ideally .. u want Blanc to not even burst. So you stun with Siren? Or how do you counter that in general?
In Team 2 the main threat is Siren, correct? Cause no matter what, if TVesti goes off, the enemy team is dead. So you want to avoid Sirens stun or B2 before it. But generally speaking how do you counter Siren?
In Team 3 .. the main threat is Noah. She will make the entire team invincible. So you either live longer than the enemy team to win .. or prevent Noah from bursting .. but again generally speaking how do you counter Noah?
I realized that I don't really know how you counter specific Nikke .. and while its not difficult to understand the threat of a certain Nikke .. like with Noise, her main threat is the Taunt, u want to divert it to a useless unit or avoid it. But .. how? Many of the reviews on Prydwen dont state how you counter the threat they bring to PvP.
Wot u don’t want slime play on Mihara? And lib need mighty tools to reattach some detached bits
people will sexualize a tree if they can afterall 

She is sexy though.
Same deal with most of the humanoid feminine looking ones.
Don’t people go for gardevoir?
Well, she is the most popular one. But I usually go for the more underrated ones. Like Lurantis~
My rumani not really built tho, I can get her to probably skill 7,7,7
And I can do the equipment
But I have no mat to lvl up the doll, is that ok?
Tf is this convo
Furry caught in 4k 
I wanna say more, but someone might be watching.
You counter siren by not palcing b2 units in p1 and make sure if your b1 is in p1 that the team is 2RL, also if you run noise and noah together, if noah has more cs than noise then noise can eat the stun if the siren is in p1 or p2 when they usually try to place them there to taunt the noah.
@tropic summit time to have u think about nikkes instead of Pokémon
Well, I only like two legged humanoid ones.
team 1:
- you cannot stun blanc in p2 via siren, siren can only stun p1 unless she's taunted (noah noise etc)
- you're correct in saying blanc is the main threat here, although opponent is running bay as backup B2, to mitigate the issue of losing blanc.
- the counter here is to either allow indom and run a slower indom (e.g. RRH or ein) or kill blanc with fire codes (vestiTU + scarlet) and then deal with bay. The first is easier
team 2:
- siren is not the real threat here, it's a 2RL scar-trina glass cannon. siren in p3 can only stun p1, if she was p2 she'd be far more threatening, because you'd be taunting her with noah in any position. Simply running noah in p2 p3 p4 p5 will deny her entire purpose, just run then a p1 B1 2RL
- since they running SG pressure aswell, a biscuit locked noah team can clear this easily, or any indom 2RL with linked unit in p5 and p2, jackal p1
team 3:
- this team is weak to indom or to similar archetype but with water code (e.g. SWHA), typical counter
noise bay biscuit swha flex
moran noah biscuit swha flex
also to counter that blanc you can splash it to death before it bursts with vesti, and another b3 RL unit like laplace.
i feel like i need chocomilk a bit more in my life

Tyvm. And thank you @leaden canyon For your answer as well 
post the matchup with the CP showing and i can tell you if it's enough
Same. I love how they're a 2 for 1 deal.
Blanc in p2 is not getting siren stun, a hard counter for any indom comp is just a slower indom comp, vesti with enough ele might kill that stray blanc but then you deal with bay
Siren normally only affect p1, if your b1 there and you 2rl then you're fine, if b2 and 2rl then need cs to be fine just reposition to play around it, slower than that and you have to take into acc that character x will get stunned ,some like scarlet can also reload early to avoid siren stun
If siren p1 or p2 and you running a taunter gotta also take into account
Stop noah from burst or if its a stray one like that just sg their asses, if cant you have many delayed nukers or stall comps to use
Fair
Anywho read rails' msg I suck at pvp
liar spotted 
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I suck at PvP
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Gotcha. So it seems .. Blanc is countered by slower Blanc. That's quite interesting.
Only way to get better at it is to bash your head against the wall with teams
what did you throw at those 2 
Yea or if indom is used on some nuker like scar or Lib you can noah isekai the nuke and just biscuit abuse to survive the single target attacks
What the f##k does "noah isekai the nuke" mean, lmao. 
🤤
The nuke become useless from noah burst I just didn't wanna say it normally
Oh, I see.

You understand the difference tho
But doesnt this mean that Noah immortality needs to last longer than Blancs indom? Does it? Always?
What difference?
Hes bursting with SWHA, if you are using moran as your b1 to stall then SWHA gets suck on moran
Oh right instead of spending gems to try to win it again I just don’t
Ohh.
If 1 time wipe her burst negates it, and biscuit can make her immune till they eventually die out if the dps does single target attacks
Anywho any swha indom is easy to counter bc she takes a while to charge nuke
Oh, that's true actually. If its a one time wipe .. u just need to stall the burst after. The main dmg is negated

you've long since healed from that... right?
you no longer doing that... right? 
Although depending on how strong the SWHA is it can actually kill through moran
SWHA nuke is 1 shotting moran unless she's behind biscuito or highly stacking HP (anchorIM + trina)
I only do it for rookie if I’m like 100 token short of buying the code manual
But would that mean that she kills the rest after she is done with Moran? is that guaranteed? Or can moran stall long enough even if she dies?
Find out
The whole team would be getting hit, if you want stall route you would do moran noah biscuit helm burstgen
I wouldn't moran against an indom swha 
There is also another funny way to counter those typa indoms which is priv stun + mermaid
Hmm I see
HOLYS!
perma stun 
ye CP looks good, give it a shot
But for that Blanc needs to be in a specific position, right? Else Siren stun misses .. is priv stun different?
Goodnight bros.
I just made this with the remaining lol
oh? that might be useful for the SWHA indom I run into
sure roll with that, we looking at T2 and T3 trying to win via countering their archetype
Not that, priv stun the entire team after swha burst then when the rest die and SwHA remain siren stuns swha again rendering her useless and unable to fire a shot
Oh .. thats interesting.
see i was right 

You got 3 msgs to explain how you beat 39-25
Okay .. what about this?
Counter Team 1 with slower indom
Counter Team 2 with Noah in P2
Counter Team 3 with different indom, cause indom is needed for Team 1 counter ..
Omg thank you
now check ch1 and ch2 teams CP for reference and synchro @white folio
maybe we can push further
You put your only b1 in p1 for t2 to take all the pre burst pressure? Also it’s siren on scarlet eating counters
Which team? Nevermind .. uh
At least 50 above mine in lvls and much higher in cp
Where would I put it instead?
In indom war its preferred to use someone with high fire rate to guarantee the win 
In T2 you risk siren dying from scar and noah dying after need protection like biscuit or moran
What is happening in t3
T1 wrong counter
T2 dead siren to scar s2, let alone running your solo B1 in p1 is wild
T3 what monstruosity is this
yeah these are likely outside your CP range, keep ch3 
Thank youu
Do I change my defense to match the current offense teams or just stay for now?
Team 3 (@tropic summit) was showed to me by someone in this chat .. u purposefully don't B3 and stall long enough .. then Nayuta survives and slow kills the enemy team. I'm not sure if this can work in this instance though .. i just know this team cause someone showed it to me.
nah those are tailored teams, imo your current def is better
only change it when people below ch6-ch7 can beat you
Noise hp buff and this nayuta is buff less, that's a loss
Ahh ok
And also, just out of what is indom
This is such a treasure, not sure if any learner is picking this up.
Hmm .. I see
it's very copium approach, i wouldn't take that road
That's the only other indom I know beside Noah and Blanc and both Noah and Blanc are occupied. So I probably lack the knowledge to counter Team 3
what you just run with SWHA and laplaceT, if you watched the match you should've seen SWHA becoming unkillable for 10s, here's a similar archetype but with SBS instead
I assume that doesn't mean "just any shotguns". I'm not every familiar with shotgun teams
Can also just do M.anchor isntead of noah but that doesn't really work against SWHA or scar and cindy nuke
Sdoro drakeT bsoda anything that's built
Oh, okay .. let me take a look what I can put up
Ohhh
I see
Ok thank you
raid boss moran because deficit 
@fathom rock @tropic summit yesterday was great fun ruining people ‘a scarlet/cindy comps, cuz my friend likes label and invested her
Idm the cool pvp clip you rock 

btw rapunzel scarlet soline trina jackal is kinda nasty
I dont think I can do that, cause at naga we are alerady lower than 80k cp, such a team would be <350k and lose on deficit alone
Zamn no sgs built
Mhm
Sync 350 account Tis normal
yeah you dont build sg till muuch later
My sg comp didn’t happen till tove treasure release
What sync was I by that point lol
400+?
sg comp has two treasure units, thats already a big investment
@shell hazel we said you're evil, but this guy is not that far away too 
Actually .. very obvious. I just sacrifice one team to free up blanc or Noah. I was focused on trying to counter all 3 teams at once, cause I wanted to beat all of them.
I have tove and drake mlb + 30 bond but I dont thimk its worth investing into treasure for them yet right
U have sdoro?
I do not I started in october
for solving enemy teams always start with this approach:
- find the 2 weaker enemy teams
- start with the strongest of the two
- with units remaining, see if you've the tools to deal with the last one
in general, always attempt first with a noah archetype and an indom archetype, cuz those two have very high chance to be effective against a good chunk of teams
Then not yet
Not yet worth your investment
RRH Pog
Drake for PvP maybe
I see. I already did the dispatch for tove too so itd only take the dolls and mats basically
Which is expensive 
U can invest Drake if you consistently get into CA
Is it bad I still dont have my tove overloaded 
Ill see how this season ends then
ein and s.anis would do a similar job here, but RRH is generally high invested and high in HP to not be too annoying to mess with to get her indom target
I OLed her like mid January
I just overloaded B.milk, privaty and the new b2
I got no credits now
still need to overload velvet
@hollow lagoon interesting concept 
I might return to league for the shyvana rework, send help
Since I’m going to cross into 621 by Union raid, by the next chapter release early may I would be able to 641 and just smash thru content
stay away from it it's a trap 
I like dis more
I used solution 2, which worked. Few questions .. What's the purpose of Biscuit in Team 1? Just HP buff/heal? Is there a reason Cinderella is the nuker in Team 2 specifically? Why not TVesti, Liberalio, etc.?
Read biscuit kit yet?
I did, she gives invincible if hp drops too low and she heals constantly. She also gives an atk buff and crit rate.
That goes back to the issue i brought up with my little text wall. I've been reading a lot of kits and reviews, but even then, its often still difficult to discern what specifically they do at what time in a fight .. and also how to counter what they do.
And i was wondering .. if my indom activates a bit later and my nuker is immortal anyway .. what does biscuit do there that is needed?
I just live longer .. so what does it matter .. is what i thought
Sounds like u need to spend some gems testing comps in PvP and achieve enlightenment
T1 we've huge leeway of burst gen requirements due to opponent being a slower form of 2RL-2.5RL, which allows you to run a safer indom with p1 and p2 becoming invulerable via biscuit (defenders synergy), this allows your link to be very healthy before blanc B2, just a extra safety measure
T2 in this case, since no rosanna present, any nuker would've done the same job, cindy is just generally highly invested so i don't need to know if you meet CP requirement. Lib and vestiTU would've indeed done a similar job
Ive been doing that since weeks, also with Railtracers help. Still learning.
Your nuker is immortal for the indom duration, if biscuit invul to defenders makes them outlive you ggs
Ur problem is rail spoon feed you
He does a bit, yes. But I always try to find solutions myself first.. often with little success. But I have figured out full solutions myself before
good mindset, keep experimenting and learning
Do enough of that and achieve enlightenment
Also use NIKKE Deck to check you and opponent burst timing

Just think of this in a party If i was a tank, and can take hits for my friends, they all can do whatever they want
I hope I achieve enlightenment. Cause I often also dont ask and just maintain rank 11 instead of Rank 10 - 7 .. cause no one can take rank 11 from me in my bracket it seems. But often im too lazy to push for 10-7 .. and 6 or higher is unobtainable in my bracket .. those ranks are occupied by monsters (whales)
Biscuit makes it possible, even in deficit
HOLYS bro, you have spicy wallpaper
cause in Nikke most matches ENDS IN 3 SECONDS
Being Invul for 5 seconds is a different one of a kind kit for pvp
Your friends: no our tank is lovely dude, must protect at all costs, the boss has to kill us first before the tank get scratched
HOLY! I barely recognise any of them. Only blanc and noir
From Jeffrey's file?
Idk from my server

Oh shit it’s not from my server
It’s from a Taiwan gatcha community

This one is from my server
This one is from Shift Up
OOF!
enhance
Yup and the NECK!
Gentlemen, tactical please 
This one angle shot represents all my weakness
Good to know
@normal hare hi
Why do you get this name.
What does it mean

Inside joke
reference to Dio from jojo’s
I still have to finish watching the newer tv series, too
How is TEo = Dio. 
It’s a long confusing story
Tell us
Apparently best team is
Crown rapi mihara siren anchor
But i cant even survive aoe with that team 
Everyone has giga dupes and cp

Or god pipi
mf copied my spvp team again
@tropic summit aint the highest dmg i ever done, but by far the most breain ded,since crown lives the bull shit without caring abotu the invuln
aw I lost 1
i forgot why
@hollow lagoon which book is this one














