pvp-arena

[quick lake]

Maybe that was their intention

[blissful willow]

Well, I don't agree with that

[swift mango]

There is more than one case of a team where you wanted opponents team faster but just ignore it if you don't know.

[hollow eagle]

I will max phase Centi if they release one more clip RL

[quick lake]

Hmm maybe I should brick my centi

[blissful willow]

If there is an angle to look at, the intention is to make her PvE side more usable

Definitely nothing about PvP in mind here

[hollow eagle]

Naga compatible

[blissful willow]

I don't understand the angle of

Not giving heal if ally shield breaks

Make it make sense, it really should've been the purpose of this treasure

[quick lake]

pvp kinda broken

[blissful willow]

Meh, even keripo huh

[hollow lagoon]

can still run centi treasure in ca if u only play her for slow cindy b2 lelel

[blissful willow]

I'm inclined to invite some drama by forcing Centi treasure to be a tier below her normal version

Like it's so incredibly stupid, you don't expect using a treasure like Centi to be viable for PvE anyways, there's literally no buffs

[hollow lagoon]

that is if you inherantly gap your opponents in rookie/spa so hard u dont need centi

[blissful willow]

Oh well I'll discuss with others too ig

[hollow lagoon]

tbh we have enough means to make multiple 2rl teams that centi treasure is a viable path, but it does limit accounts with incomplete boxes

[blissful willow]

Doesn't feel good knowing a treasure unit becomes more useless

[hollow lagoon]

but keripo is correct, in a general sense centi tresure is no good

[blissful willow]

There's no point to treasure her past p1 though is there

[hollow lagoon]

i didnt yet

even tho it wont damage me in any way to treasure her since i gap my spa/rookie by 140 sync

[blissful willow]

It's such a niche use, and they don't even allow selective attributes, otherwise viper treasure wouldn't be practically unusable for PvP, if you for some reason built her for pve at a point

[hollow lagoon]

things like this become less detrimental in the long run when su give us more high burst gen units

i wouldnet worry about it

[quick lake]

1RL pvp kinda broken

[hollow lagoon]

unless opponent wants you to burst fast that is

[blissful willow]

But that time isn't now

So you have to worry about it for now

[hollow lagoon]

no

YOU have to

me is fine

[vestal wigeon]

Someone break into their account and phase 3 their centi

[hollow lagoon]

ya cant i dont have mats

even if you do what's my spa opponent gonna do

1rl burst or 0 rl boost hitting me for 3 digit damage?

[spiral onyx]

Soline doesn't affect it.

[crystal flicker]

Rare PvP discussion

[spiral onyx]

If your approach is "kill your opponents before they can burst", you 100% want as much charge speed on Vesti as possible

[hollow lagoon]

keripo going for absolute set? me thought you didnt believe in it

[spiral onyx]

The difference between XSoline and Mast for example is ~10-15% damage diff if you do the math

[quick lake]

nikke pvp recently feels very unbalance, idk if its just me

[spiral onyx]

But the difference between a few frames of advantage in charge speed can be a difference of 2 vs 3 vs 4 hits landing

[hollow lagoon]

nikke pvp is just, indom the hyper output and win the game

[spiral onyx]

That's a 33-50% damage diff

[quick lake]

yeah, honestly pretty much it

[spiral onyx]

Especially if it's against 2RL teams

[quick lake]

Should really bring back dmg reduction. requiring 1-2 buffers

[spiral onyx]

Whose B1 or B2 can determine the fight

[quick lake]

[spiral onyx]

I don't, I'm not running Absolute this CA

[hollow lagoon]

[spiral onyx]

But I did enough math to understand how to optimize it

[hollow lagoon]

i just know absolute set

crown

and????? flora

mast if you have crit rolls on vesti

@quick lake my pvp is so derpy atm, my vesti still 7/10/7

[spiral onyx]

Like running Mast is optimal, but it's still marginal compared to landing your hits earlier

[quick lake]

I stopped my pvp investments

[spiral onyx]

Whether you land 2 rockets or 3 before their B1 can straight up determine the fight

[hollow lagoon]

i basically have

[spiral onyx]

The optional rolls for VestiT would be triple atk, crit, charge speed

[hollow lagoon]

i dont plan to run that comp anyway

[quick lake]

too expensive and no dupes

[fathom rock]

No ammo?

[spiral onyx]

Absolute team kills in 4 shots

[fathom rock]

Oh for that

[spiral onyx]

If the match is not decided within those 4 shots, don't run Absolute lol

[shell hazel]

I'd say that's fair 😄

[shell hazel]

I also stopped mine some months ago, I'll likely build any new meta units but I'm trying to build more raid units

[cedar sorrel]

Why do people care so much about raids? The gem gain isnt that big between the ranks right

[fathom rock]

Raid fun
Frame look good and limited time

[cedar sorrel]

To me it seems like u need a lot of investment across a ton of units to get like idk 1400 gems

[hollow eagle]

cuz no more content if you just ignore raid

[fathom rock]

Also going above t100 the gem gain becomes justified

[cedar sorrel]

So it's like endgame content I guess

[cedar sorrel]

For sure

[hollow eagle]

yea it's the only endgame we have

[cedar sorrel]

I see I see

[cedar sorrel]

Cuz on paper it seems more effective to invest into pvp cuz its more often and more gems

[fathom rock]

On paper its better to quit the game

[cedar sorrel]

Ok?

[hollow eagle]

doing well on solo raid also translate to doing well on union raid, you can engage with a more active union

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah union raid is important too yeah

[fathom rock]

Cp padding pvp is like 1.6k to 2k if not bricked in sync
With invest depending on bracket that increases in some cases its just not worth

[spiral onyx]

Yeah, solo raid investments lead to excelling in two end game contents

PvP only helps one

[fathom rock]

1 year of pvp investing just to be grouped with 5 whales

[spiral onyx]

But if you swipe much more then those in your bracket, you may not even need to invest into PvP

[fathom rock]

If you can 2k without pvp invest, sr invest give better gain

[spiral onyx]

SR involves much more malding though

PvP is auto battle

[fathom rock]

Yea skill expression

[spiral onyx]

Let's you play with one hand

[shell hazel]

if you already top on pvp though it's a good place to go next I think

get 3000 gems / 2 weeks from pvp and then whatever else I can get on SR

[swift mango]

I don't see any frame better than the surf face content frame

[cedar sorrel]

Makes sense yeah

[shell hazel]

build campaign > pvp/raid

[swift mango]

most because it was the only end game content before CA. And now, it's the one that non daily, no whale (bricked) peeps could actually play.
They could lord over newer player just because they play longer, instead of being beaten up by whale or people who play more active around their times.

[blissful willow]

I just saw the tweet

Realised it's you

[cedar sorrel]

True the synch lock does give everyone a chance a bit

[blissful willow]

My condolences keripo

[swift mango]

3% is piss easy for older player with high research (and more rock, gem) even in SEA.

or playing on mobile

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/andrew-macias-courtney-friel-ktla-laugh-cry-upset-child-gif-21259859

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-15530372636024879885

[cedar sorrel]

Is this possible

[blissful willow]

#team-building

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-dont-let-your-dreams-be-dreams-go-for-it-claim-it-shia-la-beouf-gif-16079495

[keen vapor]

You too huh?

[swift mango]

That's the best pros here.

[keen vapor]

Why he's purposefully in front of a green screen

[swift mango]

green screen, not green hat. You could just edit background after a mono color screen.

[keen vapor]

I mean why he will want to be easily edited

[swift mango]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IzYQYYAdw0

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Too short

[keen vapor]

Sup

[lunar pawn]

I'm in danger

[umbral crown]

Which tweet?

[swift mango]

damn time to edit over already?

[shell hazel]

it is yup

[swift mango]

I didn't even edit my team yet

[shell hazel]

I almost missed it lol

[swift mango]

first time I came to CA without editing anything then.

[shell hazel]

I found someone who out 🐳 @hollow lagoon
was this one you found before zanta?

[keen vapor]

Keripo got his Tsukihime floppy disk demolished by customs

[shell hazel]

this guy is in my group

[hollow lagoon]

lel

[swift mango]

who is customs?

[lunar pawn]

can p3 priv wipe or

vs my team

[swift mango]

maybe I will use both Privaty and centi p2 next ca then.

This CA is flopped

[umbral crown]

Need more context

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Mail service

[ancient sun]

Welp, let’s see how it goes

[lone sequoia]

i will die in groups as tradition

[dim escarp]

my cind at 200k

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-fat-doritos-nikke-gif-3638811687278101957

[lone sequoia]

first siren i see in 4 seasons and is against my noah (2.2RL team)

[shell hazel]

gimme 200k cindy

[hollow lagoon]

no too much diff, hw wont be in my spa bracket ever

[raven plover]

he bought a copy of original demo of Tsukihime I think? which is only 50 copies worldwide, poof into pieces when the package arrive at his house

[dim escarp]

[umbral crown]

Wheel

[swift mango]

Next CA we will have 2 new nikke right?

[lunar pawn]

what are the odds I survive

[umbral crown]

That hurts

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel

[swift mango]

Now I would spend time building new line up just for it to be outdate next season.

F

[raven plover]

dead

[lunar pawn]

[lone sequoia]

noise and jackal, not sure about vesti, you can still burst with xmaiden

[shell hazel]

yeah is diff guy, mega whales though

[umbral crown]

If itnwas blanc bursting instead bayly, your chances would improve

[hollow lagoon]

yeah but him 23969 vs me 24171 tis possible

[lunar pawn]

should be enough feed to push me to like 1.7rl or so

[lone sequoia]

no SR 15 noise/jackal/maiden?

[lunar pawn]

pve main with pvp on the side

I did make bsoda and emilia sr15 yesterday though

[swift mango]

What's your research level comparing to him? He has vesti max core and your noise not max doll, is she even tempering?
Low chance unless higher research,

[lone sequoia]

better luck than me, i got full counter from 2 guys but not the ones i wanted to test; ff in groups

[lunar pawn]

noise vigor

at least c7

[umbral crown]

Just a small competition

[hollow lagoon]

i cant win against that

[umbral crown]

All that wheel in shop for nothing?

[lunar pawn]

guy is like 200-300 lvls of research higher than me in almost everything

[swift mango]

go bite him down.

[hollow lagoon]

[hollow lagoon]

he aint in my bracket yet

[shell hazel]

may never be

[umbral crown]

yet

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-sad-sponge-bob-stephen-hillenburg-crying-sponge-bob-squidward-gif-12966776

[acoustic raven]

Hey guys ,how about my team,any recommend?

[umbral crown]

2 years playing and i just shuffle with same people, 1 or 2 changes over time

[lunar pawn]

I need a synchro device for CA research, with keripo as my reference

[swift mango]

replace Anis with Jackal.
Jackal with Rumani

make sure Rosa linked instead of Emi, if Emi linked, swap their placement.

[lunar pawn]

oh now I get it, look at the synchro

[acoustic raven]

Oke thanks

[lunar pawn]

I did beat a 1k synchro guy before already, hope I can repeat the feat

[swift mango]

lets hope their Vesti OL only have hit rate.

[lunar pawn]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-55itGuoAJiZEEen9gg

[swift mango]

Keep up with the yap so you could beat zant soon.

[swift mango]

now get ur biscuit to 200k too

[dim escarp]

ssj2 biscuit

[tulip quest]

u shud win cause of jackal

• noise ensures it

I saw that kind of match up it survive, but he use mast which adds crit rate and CDM so rng wise

unless ur really unlucky

[lone sequoia]

i was expecting to lose, i just wanted to se 2 of my teams against 4 or 5 other meta teams to test dmg

[umbral crown]

label simp

@shell hazel got to the wheel numbers

[shell hazel]

4M 😮

think my best was 3.8

[crystal flicker]

Rosy is just a whale

[shell hazel]

in disguise

🥸

[shell hazel]

that isn't in our group though too much commander level

think our highest isn't above 700, you died/not in CA right?

[crystal flicker]

Wdym, I'm day 1 player

[shell hazel]

[placid bloom]

day 1 audience, not player

[umbral crown]

just a pvp enjoyer

oasis boi is out, pve teams

when you see quencyqq, sbs and rapipi top cp.. something is sus

[crystal flicker]

I have few sync 1000+ in my bracket

[umbral crown]

waos

[glacial haven]

Seriously... This guys is making me nuts....

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[glacial haven]

May I steal you idea?

[shell hazel]

it's a 12 ammo vesti surely you can just moran noah it?

[hollow lagoon]

aint mine

[hollow lagoon]

aint my account me know not

[hollow lagoon]

aint my account me know not

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/see-nothing-hear-nothing-know-nothing-gif-4351550

[tidal lichen]

why arent u hitting 6

do you hate that guy or smth

[glacial haven]

Because 6 its a whale. He has 1M Cp more tham me.

[lunar pawn]

par for the course in this bracket

[glacial haven]

Besides... It's a beef between us.

[tidal lichen]

so you do hate that guy

[glacial haven]

@tidal lichen

[glacial haven]

Yep. And I believe the feeling is mutual for him

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

no hit 5? weak cp

[tidal lichen]

is that a cursed bracket or did you take a break or smth

[glacial haven]

I was supposed to ask here for some tips to spend my free dailies on 5. But, of couse, he needed to attack me...

[glacial haven]

Cursed...

[tidal lichen]

[glacial haven]

I mean. I can take the second one easily. But sometimes he shot up on rankings and I need someone to attack him to be able to reach him

[tidal lichen]

you could hit 5

and then 2

[glacial haven]

The third one, you could say we arranged some gentleman's agreement. After both of us burn +10 attempts on a single hour.

[glacial haven]

I know. but I wasn't able to machinate some good teams to go against him. Besides, I'm practically using my daily attempts to defend myself. And barely doing that.

[tidal lichen]

[glacial haven]

As you can see... The feeling is mutual.

[tidal lichen]

never spend gems on sp.

unless its for science

[glacial haven]

Well... I do record all of my attempts. So... If I win and the opponent doesn't change their team, I do have a database on what works or what doesn't.

[shell hazel]

question - where do you usually wind up in the end? like in the mail or w/e

[glacial haven]

I had a team who worked flawlessly against 7. But he changed something and does not work anymore. Even if the comps still the same. So no attacking him for awhile.

[glacial haven]

This last season I finished quite good tbh. Above my expectations for what I got pushed around. I finished in 6

Honestly I was expecting a 8. Even for my best premonitions. But not a 6.

[shell hazel]

just to flag that you may find it more chill just staying in 7-10 more, and less work 😄

use your free tries certainly but if you get knocked back down you get knocked back down

treat it as good xp

[onyx scaffold]

deadass

[glacial haven]

I know.... And you're not the first to tell me that. But my competitive ass makes me do and push the better I can. But, to be completely honest with you, I'm already not that competitive anymore. I was way worst when I begun PvP.

[onyx scaffold]

this happens to one of my acc but it is not main acc and im quite lucky on that account so i just spam gems

[umbral belfry]

running sbs into noah + bisc is a no no, that's an instant loss. as is running scar into an indom vesti. you want to use indom vesti on your t2 and forget t3

[glacial haven]

Lucky. This is my main and only account. I don't have the patience to keep multiple ones.

[umbral belfry]

indom sw could work too likely

but those 2 teams you had originally were bound to lose

[shell hazel]

their indom vesti is probably quite weak fire - 12 ammo will run out, you can out-stall it with moran

you can indom their nayuta probably too, indom lasts longer so should work

[glacial haven]

My objective on T3, was to outrun Blanc's indom. Thing is I was able to do quite regularly. Even with others players with this same comp, I was able to outrun them. But he did changed something and I wasn't able to do it anymore.

[onyx scaffold]

who should I get SR15 first for these:
rumani blanc trina rapunzel (currently use)
eunhwa emma (no investment/use so far)

[shell hazel]

SBS and Biscuit is death I agree don't see how you win that

[umbral belfry]

you're not outrunning blanc without your own blanc there. maybe a misindom sure, but generally running into a 2rl vesti indom when you feed (scar) you're losing

it's likely he got more cs on someone to confirm the indom

but generally speaking, whether he did or didn't, 2rl scar (no blanc) vs a 2rl indom you're likely losing

[shell hazel]

btw I'd also usually just rec piling in on two teams, no need to go for 3 wins unless you're confident you can

did you ever check if this was siren immune?

it's 2RL so depending on CS and with noah at p1 it could be siren weak

[glacial haven]

Not saying you're wrong, but...

[shell hazel]

or does moran taunt at b1 redirect siren?

[umbral belfry]

key difference there is ada.

she slows the team, now they added rumani instead which is a clip rl. meaning instead of 2.5rl, they will be 2rl now

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/naruhodo-gif-21492424

Right. I didn't see that.

Sorry. I didn't notice before.

[shell hazel]

scar timing is very specific if you catch or not

[umbral belfry]

not assuming feed and/or cs. therefore I personally recommend skipping that team entirely bc fighting vesti indom is annoying as it is

[shell hazel]

I honestly think you can beat vesti indom reliably with a moran comp

especially a 12 ammo vesti

[umbral belfry]

nothing to apologize for friend, didn't mean it in a bad way. gotta learn pvp somehow, just trying to help

you can try hippos suggestion

[glad meteor]

Just invest scar soline rapu

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1273933801860366348/1395892976059678750/GwDpH5FW0AEhAqJ-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[umbral belfry]

bold of you to assume I don't have them all built

[glad meteor]

Rapu too built

[umbral belfry]

also it's unlikely rapu is going to stun that team, unless not invested

[glad meteor]

Whel hime

[glad meteor]

Vesti alone is enough most time

[umbral belfry]

not just that, but 2rl rapu with soline you're likely not stunning

2.5 would have better chances

[glad meteor]

always works for me

[umbral belfry]

but soline isn't going to help with her feed so

[glacial haven]

I appreciate your understanding. And I mean, I didn't want to be rude or anything. And I thank you for your attention and time to respond and teach a fool like myself.

[umbral belfry]

we all started as baby pvpers it's okay

🐣

[umbral crown]

but show all the names

[shell hazel]

vs the vesti indom should out-stall it

don't need any quantums ignore that

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

then you indom one of the other teams

[umbral belfry]

in the future, sbs into noah (or moran) + bisc was a bad idea bc they taunt sbs. meaning once she bursts her dmg does 0 to everyone else. then your indom runs out and she dies

[coarse lake]

[shell hazel]

this for potential indom option

if you lack xmaiden build then blanc to p3 and add a clip RL to p4

or LapT, have to watch jackal link

[umbral belfry]

blanc p3 vs a vesti

[shell hazel]

but this is a fairly tanky heal team and I think you can out live weak vesti indom #pvp-arena message

[umbral belfry]

surely that vesti is baby though

[shell hazel]

that's why this is better, xmaiden works here and shouldn't steal link

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[shell hazel]

my proposal wasn't to run the indom into vesti anyway

it was for another team

[umbral belfry]

always keep your blanc nice and safe

[shell hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1444021874676727918/blanc.gif

[glad meteor]

Snow white> trina

[shell hazel]

trina makes moran immune + extra hp

you turn moran into raid boss

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

Believe Snow white just tank

[shell hazel]

but yes ofc snow white works there but she was in the indom team I suggested so unless you cloned her or run the other SW not doable 😄

[glad meteor]

oh this is sp atk

[shell hazel]

yes

[glacial haven]

@umbral belfry Sorry to tag you like this, But since I hadn't been paying much attention, I ended up letting slip that he had changed his comp. So.... I copied this team who was against his Vesti and it worked. I don't got the replay because the windows capture trolled me and I lost the replay.

[shell hazel]

also note we didn't use some pieces like Vesti TU so you can certainly cobble a 3rd team up but I'd push all into two strong atk teams

Hime I had to run actual pvp yesterday

[umbral belfry]

dw I gotchu

@hollow lagoon your this your rocks are mine today

at least you won

[shell hazel]

Hime some 🍿 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-UJvmjBXwg

[umbral belfry]

my condolences

[shell hazel]

yeah more than 100 days of no need to atk anyone lol

[hollow lagoon]

you cant abuse me if i enjoy it

[umbral belfry]

you're better than me bc if I saw that p3 blanc I'm instantly going vesti to deny any indom at all

[shell hazel]

I just threw in 3 teams I thought I could win with haha

[umbral belfry]

3 wins true bullying

[shell hazel]

yup, they have weird investments/teams, I'm monitoring to see what they do next because I will fight them for it if they decide to try, and I will make their life hell with new teams every day lol

but they more f2p than me for sure

[onyx scaffold]

group 17 means I will attack for like 4 times in a row

[umbral crown]

oh, really. did not know that

what about 55

[onyx scaffold]

attack once then defend 3 times

[umbral crown]

thanks, then im good

i will have to learn that thing, its new to me

[high stream]

Wasnt there a list of speed sorted by fastest to slowest burst gen?

[umbral crown]

yeah, check the pins

[livid rover]

https://fixupx.com/TehKeripo/status/2027171532825571678 wait isn't this keripo the pvp guide

Keripo (@TehKeripo)

My Tsukhime Trial Edition (月姫 体験版) finally arrived, one of only 50 copies in the world. Only to discover that US Customs had removed all the bubble wrap and physically destroyed the floppy disk. Will file a report but literally crying right now😭
︀︀#TYPEMOON #Tsukihime #月姫

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FixupX · Feb 26, 2026, 11:58 PM

#pvp-arena message

[high stream]

I cant seem to find it :/

[umbral crown]

the one and only

[umbral crown]

https://discordapp.com/channels/946719263866101821/1177116972593463316/1177118410056929330

[high stream]

I clicked through these and none of them have the screenshot that I saw posted a while ago.

It was a spreadsheet of all PvP relevant Nikke sorted by their burst generation

And it also showed like flex picks purely for burst gen and such

Also a lot of these resources are not up to date anymore. Even the Testmatrix had its last update in 2024

And since then .. PvP meta had quite an insane shift

[covert lintel]

he quit trolling with 1 nikke

[umbral crown]

clinc the link on pvp bursr gen calculator under crown clown name and then click on burst gen below

[high stream]

Ohh .. thats the one I think. Thank you. I couldnt find it.

[umbral crown]

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit i think i broke your zant

[hollow lagoon]

aint my fault he skipped label

[tropic summit]

HP calculated to the pixels

[hollow lagoon]

so it is

[tropic summit]

meanwhile vesti tried her bestest

https://klipy.com/gifs/wall-brick-UKi

[hollow lagoon]

[brazen nova]

F me I just upgrade CentiT to phase 2 and then knowing that it brick her

[tropic summit]

open a ticket, tell support the following:

"Hello dear support, my dog clicked on the button to upgrade my doll against my will, kindly help me rollback this change, thank you"

[umbral crown]

[brazen nova]

Imagine asking a girl to return your gifts

[high stream]

Look on the bright side. You got a new wallpaper with your newly acquired brickwall

[cedar sorrel]

Is this salvageable with quantum and or adjutant or is this a scrap

[brazen nova]

Nice wall

[cedar sorrel]

Im kinda struggling to make a good 3rd def team

Or do I just drop ada completely that works too maybe

Yea nah it's cooked I need to start over

I think 2rl nayu rh is too expensive to end up having 3 good teams stil

[tropic summit]

scrap it, lacks anti nuke and you running a delayed nuke

[cedar sorrel]

Im not sure how I can build 3 solid team comps atm

I can do like nayu rh and shwa indom but then the last team has nothing cuz I dont own noah

[tropic summit]

aim for 3 teams on 2.5RL if you can only make 1 2RL

jackal teams should always be 2.5RL via feed one way or another

SWHA will enable a 2.5RL very easily

[cedar sorrel]

I can make two 2rl but then the 3rd is forced into a weird lib angle

[tropic summit]

the other one you can achieve via clip SGs

if you running lib main B3 you doing something wrong

[cedar sorrel]

Its cuz I otherwise cant guarantee indom for shwa since lib is so low hp

[tropic summit]

alice exists

[cedar sorrel]

So shwa indom forces a tvesti or helmt being ran to have similar HP or I run a rrh I guess but then its 2.5

[tropic summit]

2.5RL is fine

[cedar sorrel]

Okay okay

[tropic summit]

i mean this is still 2RL

they need to just spit once on jackal and you're kicked into pseudo 2RL

[cedar sorrel]

My quantum is lvl 3 tho if that matters

[tropic summit]

still kicked into 2RL via feed, only need 2,5%

every team makes at least 3%-ish feed even with low feed units

[cedar sorrel]

Huge info

Hmm I end up with 3 2.5s like this with 1 being pseudo 2

[tropic summit]

show the 3 teams

[cedar sorrel]

Im not sure if this is better than I had before

[tropic summit]

how does CP look like

[cedar sorrel]

213 234 199 but I could swap high lvl cubes around

[tropic summit]

hmm actually decently balanced, but i feel like anis needs to go in T3

[cedar sorrel]

I can swap anis centi?

Eait I can

[tropic summit]

nah don't wanna nuke CP there either

[cedar sorrel]

Cant she will eat indom

[tropic summit]

ye she will eat it alright

[cedar sorrel]

Games needs to give me noah

[tropic summit]

post your box for reference i feel like we can slap a 2.5RL somehow without anis

[tropic summit]

ye there it is

bench anis and slot lib as offburst battery

[cedar sorrel]

I dont have noah bro

[tropic summit]

ada rotates with centi

[cedar sorrel]

Thats like the issue here and why I cant think of a good 3rd team

[tropic summit]

nah that's nayuta just a typo

[cedar sorrel]

Ooooh okay my bad I didnt know u was that good

[tropic summit]

i didn't touch T1, just mess with T2 and T3

[haughty mortar]

What usually beats this?

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit helmt rh swha

[haughty mortar]

I do not have Label

[tropic summit]

wait nvm it's a 4RL don't even need to helmT B3

[haughty mortar]

My HelmT is in T2, which wins

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit vestiTU helmT RH

[tropic summit]

post all 3 matches

[tropic summit]

ok the RRH team is a skip

other 2 are doable

you badly need to prevent their blanc from reaching 4RL B2

[haughty mortar]

Yes so only T2 and 3

Hmmm

last time you recommended Crown Bisc lib swha and rumani. But said no to Crown.

[cedar sorrel]

Team 2 still reaches pseudo 2rl through feed with this set up?

[tropic summit]

show CP

[tropic summit]

around 2.2RL or 2.5RL, regardless enough threat to be annoying

[cedar sorrel]

Ah ada eats indom

But we can just fake it

[tropic summit]

flex with any other unit, ideally a RL mag or similar

[tropic summit]

need 6k more in vesti's team

does scarlet give you more?

[haughty mortar]

#pvp-arena message This wins

[tropic summit]

oke all those units are available roll with that

[haughty mortar]

Scar gives 25k

[tropic summit]

if you can swap helmT with SWHA tho

SWHA can sucide on scarlet at that deficit

[cedar sorrel]

So jackal is gonna link with shwa and rrh right so then if I give ada vigor and shwa ends up taking 8k dmg ada wont steal indom u think that'll work?

[tropic summit]

nayuta rrh sbs swha jackal
crown biscuit lib helmt rumani

[haughty mortar]

Swapping costs me around 15

[tropic summit]

you need 766k on the nayuta team

[tropic summit]

ye you out of deficit

[haughty mortar]

Imma record this too

[tropic summit]

other team is on minor deficit, will be fine

if you didn't run yet we might want to just exit deficit in T3 at this point

only need to fix 8k

you got ein or cindy or reiT

with higher CP than lib

[haughty mortar]

T3 loss by a fraction

[tropic summit]

as in they hit blanc B2?

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah I think Ill commit to the fake indom assuming my shwa ends up taking 8k dmg in 2RL time for ada not to steal indom lol

[tropic summit]

exit deficit with one of the nukers above

[tropic summit]

just remove ada

put a flex mag RL and you're fine

[cedar sorrel]

I dont have other units with hp close to shwa

[tropic summit]

they don't need to

p4 doesn't take damage

and your link is SWHA and RRH

[cedar sorrel]

So then the idea is shwa takes dmg so she'll be lowest and get indom right?

[haughty mortar]

It ends up being Scar vs rumani and I lose.

[tropic summit]

jackal swha and rrh distribute dmg and will drop in HP, p4 won't take dmg, p3 (blanc) can't self indom

[tropic summit]

put ein instead of lib if she has higher CP

need 751k

[cedar sorrel]

I know and shwa is at 123k ada with vigor is 115k
All my others are like 100k except alice at 116k so regardless Id need the shwa to lose hp in the battle for indom not to be stolen by p4 right?

[haughty mortar]

Ein does, and I also get another 3kCP

[tropic summit]

you need 751k

[tropic summit]

need 751k

[haughty mortar]

Then no go..........

[tropic summit]

CP with

nayuta ein helmt jackal scarlet

[cedar sorrel]

Unless Im misunderstanding

I could even remove the cube on shwa so shes at 120k so then its only 5k in dmg she'd have to take

[tropic summit]

jackal SWHA blanc ada RRH, assuming SWHA and RRH linked, it's a SWHA indom if jackal and RRH have more starting HP than SWHA

[haughty mortar]

Full team change?

[tropic summit]

ye you need 751k CP

show CP with that

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah they do

[tropic summit]

then you're set

[cedar sorrel]

Awesome

You solved the puzzle I was super stuck

[cedar sorrel]

Thanks a lot 💪

[tropic summit]

who's linked there? ein and scarlet? run in shooting range

oh you know what don't, just put jackal in p5

nayuta ein helmt scarlet jackal, then run it

[haughty mortar]

What about T2?

T2 was gutted

[tropic summit]

crown biscuit vestiTU SWHA rumani

[tropic summit]

if vestiTU CP is sh*t

crown biscuit lib swha rumani

[swift mango]

Moran couldn't solo today

[fathom rock]

Omg its probably rail

[tropic summit]

sub vesti for liberalio

then run the matches

[tropic summit]

we gettin' closer and closer to the truth

[tropic summit]

yeah run it

[haughty mortar]

VICTORY!

[unique mountain]

Keripo is famous now

[tropic summit]

next time you do the maths on your own tho

multiply enemy CP for 0.846 and make teams with lethal, with biscuit locked and nayuta archetype

[glass wing]

What can I run against this?
I've been struggling with this for several days now

[tropic summit]

not sure it's a good thing being famous with chinese audience

[glass wing]

[tropic summit]

he probably has already 100 botters trying to hack into his account

[gritty ridge]

Im one of them

[tropic summit]

and one of them is @swift mango

[gritty ridge]

Allegedly

[spiral onyx]

Both Mainland CN and TW know me already from Nikke

[tropic summit]

better improve your firewall and anti DDOS

[unique mountain]

Do u like @slim monolith

[tropic summit]

you're not asian, let alone chinese
you probably 'murican

[spiral onyx]

Naw, people are supportive

[swift mango]

What did I miss?

[glass wing]

...

[gritty ridge]

Cant I be both?

Its 2026

[tropic summit]

i remember someone saying something like "for 100 good people, you can be sure there's at least 15% who are the exact opposite"

[tropic summit]

keripo is a celebrity

[slim monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-groove-groovy-grooving-jam-gif-23323897

[runic spear]

need help with a new SP Arena Defense

[haughty mortar]

https://klipy.com/gifs/murica-merica-3

[swift mango]

Again, what did he do to CN that I missed.

[haughty mortar]

Let's see for how long I will keep 3rd place ><

[tropic summit]

run these

[tropic summit]

he's cool unlike you

[haughty mortar]

Former 3rd, now 6th, bashed his head against my teams you gave me twice and lost. Hence the #pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

I see your username about to move to the stage of acceptance.

[swift mango]

You are just avoiding the question.

[haughty mortar]

[tropic summit]

that's a phase 1 centi right?

[runic spear]

2 sadly

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/karen-kujou-kiniro-mosaic

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dororift-nikke-baltanv2-gif-15258331656254882636

[tropic summit]

[runic spear]

ya mistakes were made

[tropic summit]

what have you done

there goes a clip RL we can use oh well there's always trina and rumani

[runic spear]

desperation wise there's also Anis

[tropic summit]

last question, you hiding an emilia down there by any chance

[runic spear]

nah, no Emilia

[tropic summit]

alrighty

[swift mango]

Serious question though? Was that video that his floppy disk broken made Keripo famous?
Can anyone lol no me the video?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• moran siren swha lib noah
• nayuta trina helmt rh laplaceT
• jackal vestiTU blanc rumani drakeT

[glass wing]

[tropic summit]

did you check deficit?

multiply enemy team CP for 0.846, ensure ur teams are above that

[glass wing]

Rumani and ray They're very low

[tropic summit]

ye don't run teams into deficit, rather just post the matchups first to show CP

post your box and the 3 enemy teams CP

we gonna need to pad

[runic spear]

ya these are the only Nikke I'm missing, and Emilia is the only one that really hurts

[tropic summit]

emilia is overated, clearly weak unit

only losers like @swift mango need emilia

[glass wing]

[tropic summit]

ye deficit, 1209k CP

[lone sequoia]

shelm?

[tropic summit]

let's change approach

[tropic summit]

oh ye that's not helmT

@glass wing jackal rumani helmt treasure bay lib

wrong helm sir

it will likely fix CP alone

[tropic summit]

aye there we go, try again

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/akairo-azur-lane-warspite-gif-15199679

[runic spear]

what cubes should I give Noah, Lib, Siren, and Moran?

[tropic summit]

noah tempering
lib any
siren tempering
moran tempering

[lone sequoia]

depends on the comp or position, but noah quantum. lib highest cube lvl, mermaid tempering and moran tempering or vigor

[tropic summit]

nah it's for def teams i gave him earlier

[lone sequoia]

ok

[glass wing]

Wow thx a lot

[tropic summit]

yeah mixed up the helms don't worry

good job either way

[lone sequoia]

probably railtracer is 80% or 60% railtracer?

[tropic summit]

probably 69%

[fathom rock]

When 100

Also whatever def you gave me is actually holding c7

The one with manchor and jackal cind and liter rouge comps

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/koshi-torako-shikanoko-9

[tropic summit]

padding them out might've helped

maybe they were running campaing teams against your previous ones

[lone sequoia]

is this the retro min-maxer or different retro?

[tropic summit]

he is the retro the one without hair anymore

[fathom rock]

How are both of u wrong

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

you lost all your hair maldin' don't lie to me

[fathom rock]

I still have hair

[lone sequoia]

are you waiting for new chapters or using your core dust boxes in the moment you get them?

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

I will use my core dust whenever tbh its just a matter of if I can beta glut

[tropic summit]

he gonna be the first 421 zizx clear, i'll believe

[lone sequoia]

not for too long, a new queen in 2 months

[fathom rock]

I will open cases within this week

[slender mesa]

What do I do to gain the uper hand here? would replacing anyone with T-Moran help?

[fathom rock]

Probably 521 to pass glut the Rest when reach ziz

[lone sequoia]

i decided to just wait until i can get to lv 800~900 next year (to get more free dust every new story update) i will sleep in D4 or 5

[fathom rock]

Moran more sturdy b1 compared to rumani but will you 2rl tho

[lone sequoia]

i think you can just kill them...

[slender mesa]

well I did a quick battle and lost for some reason I was winning yesterday

[fathom rock]

Should've recorded the replay

[lone sequoia]

quick battle is bugged, always check the replay

if you lost is probably something with jackal+biscuit S2

for noah/rumani+biscuit you want rumani in p2 to get the chances for noah proc 2nd biscuit S2, the problem in this case is SG in DEF will hit your unit in p5 so... you can just use noah there or try with moran as you say... i don't think bosda nuke can wipe your team if you moran b1 in time

[slender mesa]

without quick battle I won, what the heck
Decisively too

[lone sequoia]

there is also the thing that... quick battle take more time compared to normal battle... you only save time if you decide to skip the replay

[slender mesa]

Can someone explain to me what exactly does tactical Vesti do in order to blast past Noah and Biscuit

[lone sequoia]

she hit hard, nothing more

[marble saddle]

@fathom rock Tell me you Hate CA without telling me you hate CA

[slender mesa]

harder than the immunity?

[lone sequoia]

there is also the elemental advantage from fire to wind, so more dmg

[lone sequoia]

you can skip biscuit s2 if the unit don't get in 1~50%HP range or if you kill biscuit before the defender can proc the skill

[umbral crown]

the brick is real

[fathom rock]

I sent an attack randomly to someone who sniped me 5 sec too early will it work

[lone sequoia]

snipes? depends on your loading time, internet and how the match up go... stall teams take more time

[fathom rock]

Rip bozo

[swift mango]

Idk why you didn't answer my question before, maybe because you didn't know.

But Keripo limited edition game floppy disk, 50 only in the world, got destroyed by US mail service and he couldn't do shit about it because it's just how the US works.

A single floppy disk made his famous worldwide. Maybe if the guy who destroyed make a post to laugh at Keripo, he would be famous too.

[umbral crown]

@swift mango@tropic summitez jims

[tropic summit]

i didn't answer because i actually don't really give a flying f*k

but thanks for telling me

[glad meteor]

wutdahel

[swift mango]

I mean few thousands dollar and years of searching for the copy went bye bye hurts. To other people, it's a piece of history destroyed.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gem-gemstone

[umbral crown]

no malding, just existing

[tropic summit]

yeeeeeeeah... still don't give a flying f*k

[fathom rock]

Lesgoo

[tropic summit]

doesn't affect me, won't affect me

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

3.6k

[tropic summit]

flex

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

It's his main day one account in SEA where getting top 200 is actually easier than other server.

[tropic summit]

salt

[swift mango]

Nah, I don't really care about high rank in SR.

[tropic summit]

yeah we normal plebs don't even have a chance anyway

why bother

[fathom rock]

Man if I had better sw rolls I could've gotten 300 more gems

[tropic summit]

@swift mango hold him still, i'll grab the hammer

[swift mango]

Just spend a few buck and buy a monthly

[fathom rock]

Huh why

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

You told me drop pvp

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-jail-gif-6700387382824604769

[fathom rock]

And I did just that

[tropic summit]

I did. Best tip I could’ve possibly given you.

[swift mango]

Your SEA account never invest Arena in the first place.

[fathom rock]

And thank god it didn't

[swift mango]

So you have nothing to drop.

Can't drop what doesn't exist.

[tropic summit]

just be like sussy, make your pve so strong that it gaps other people campaign teams on pvp

[fathom rock]

I learned to drop pvp from rail
Now all my accs don't care about pvp except the one I made specifically for pvp

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/koshi-torako-shikanoko-9

[fathom rock]

And how did that turn out huh

[swift mango]

Wasnt it always the case? .

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gigachad-13

[swift mango]

He get top 200 in SEA like every other season dude. It's nothing new.

[placid bloom]

early on PvP is not too bad, but the longer you stay in the more you suffer

[fathom rock]

Sir that's 43rd

[tropic summit]

then why you didn't do it too

[swift mango]

A bit better I guess.

[swift mango]

It would be new to me if I did.

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Could've been 35th

[tropic summit]

yeah shame on you, slacker

[placid bloom]

what if Zant surpass you

[tropic summit]

one is a free 2 play, the other is a f2p

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

Even if Zant getting higher score in global he would still hardly hit 100.

[tropic summit]

wait till he rolls actual ele% lines

he's playing at 50% his strength, if not lower

which is scary in itself

[swift mango]

I can't even get Ele line.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/arona-blue-archive

[swift mango]

He spend 60 rocks per units, he would need to have luck of LD union f2p members

[tropic summit]

x4 ele line x4 atk line within 20 rocks, ez pz

[swift mango]

To get 4 Ele on all of them

[swift mango]

Yeah, the lower level guys in LD union usually got 4 AtK 4 Ele within roundly 50 rocks.

[tropic summit]

@fathom rock can i skip takina and chisato

[swift mango]

Many people are that lucky but I don't want to look at them often.

[fathom rock]

You can just know that if any future meta true dps releases takina will be bis for them in pve

[tropic summit]

oh for the love of-

[fathom rock]

Pve only tho

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[cedar sorrel]

Whats a good def I could run in rookie? I was thinking some blanc indom?

[swift mango]

You are shooting range main so you would be fine.

[tropic summit]

something high on CP and still 2RL or 2.5RL

[lone sequoia]

swha or nothing

[tropic summit]

@cedar sorrel triple threat indom and yolo

vestiTU SWHA ada blanc jackal

[cedar sorrel]

I almost built that lmao

I have helmt over tvesti

[tropic summit]

helmt is bad if she gets indommed

[cedar sorrel]

I seeee

[tropic summit]

but if your CP skyrockets is fine

[cedar sorrel]

Nah my cp actually higher with vesti

[swift mango]

I remember last time I saw a low synch guy of his union complain about only getting 4 Ele 4 AtK in 50 rocks and not blue black line and it hurt him so much his luck is brick, he said..

[cedar sorrel]

Whats the idea behind the order?

[tropic summit]

whoever isn't linked in p1

just to mess with opponent

[cedar sorrel]

Ada in p1 sounds kinda weird tho

[lone sequoia]

blanc burst (?

[tropic summit]

they've 5 attempts anyway they'll find out how to break it unless super monkeys plus ultra

[cedar sorrel]

True

[swift mango]

I seriously should have stopped playing this game the moment I saw a guy complain about needing 50 rocks for 4 AtK 4 Ele being shit luck. This just prove my luck being none existential.

[tropic summit]

should've already installed arknights endfield

and yet here you are yapping about indie silly scam game instead

[swift mango]

Well, it has some effect actually. Game finally pity me after 40+ rock onto Privaty.

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Now I could stop spending rock in peace

[cedar sorrel]

Mid

Roll more

[quaint anchor]

Do I need more ammo (16 rn)

[swift mango]

My whole account is mid

[cedar sorrel]

Rip

[tropic summit]

60 + 60 is recommended minimun

[swift mango]

Spent 2 more rock trying to change 6% to 8+ and it only reduced. 15% also reduced.

[quaint anchor]

Ok I keep rolling

[tropic summit]

i know what's causing that

[cedar sorrel]

Somehow my 9.54 ele turned into that again whilst also taking atk down

[tropic summit]

should i reveal it to you?

[swift mango]

If my ATK or Ele actually go up it would be something good but nope, both went down

[cedar sorrel]

Yeah games hate u all good tho

[swift mango]

It's not good, having to spend rock and not even hit average every day make me want to delete this game. I want to stop spending rock already so give me like 8% AtK so I could stop.

[cedar sorrel]

Yea its a sucky feeling they gotta give more.rocks tbh somehow

[swift mango]

And I still got nothing with those

[hollow lagoon]

normal

try spending 8 ele rolling a 10% ele higher only to get 9% every tiem

[tropic summit]

that's on purpose

[hollow lagoon]

it aint

[tropic summit]

the game knows if you one day are to obtain ele atk, you'd break the game

[hollow lagoon]

shiet

[tropic summit]

zant with actual ele lines? too strong

[hollow lagoon]

ofcourse

[tropic summit]

nice

[swift mango]

Then how about giving me some AtK?

[hollow lagoon]

it line 1 lelelelelelelelelelelele

[tropic summit]

coulda been worse, like ele atk% on 2nd line and black ammo OL on 3rd

[hollow lagoon]

took me 8 rocks to get rid of ammo rolls on my pieces

[swift mango]

I mean 3/4 piece of my SW I had to lock line 1 Ele to reroll.

[tropic summit]

the game knows if it was to give you atk% you'd win all CAs

perfectly balanced

[lone sequoia]

is not like you will use her right now (?

[tropic summit]

i'd probably just leave them on, f*k last round gimmic

[gritty ridge]

Chat im broke

[hollow lagoon]

i prob would

[lone sequoia]

when was the last water weak solo raid?

[swift mango]

Open thy boxes

[gritty ridge]

No

[tropic summit]

privT situationally seems to be replacing helmT

[gritty ridge]

I will save my boxes for eternity

[swift mango]

Can't my Privaty too low CP for that.

[tropic summit]

[gritty ridge]

I dont even have many boxes

[ivory violet]

PrivaT is the 3rd strongest water dps she's worth 10/10/10 and getting 4x atk and ele if you care about solo raid

[tropic summit]

damn you really broke

[swift mango]

Privaty actually replace MMast in campaign unless duo.

[gritty ridge]

If you level at my rate youre always broke

[tropic summit]

still didn't save us for zizx

[gritty ridge]

I used mmast/manchor on 44 boss

[swift mango]

I autoed 44 normal boss with auto team.

[gritty ridge]

I needed manchor heal to tank a bit of her cover phase cuz I ran out of cover on the 2nd

[gritty ridge]

Ill be blue cp next chapter drop

[swift mango]

Go blue hard 44

[gritty ridge]

Ofc

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Just wait until you have enough dmg. Survival isn't a problem.

You have tons of rocks to spar so build Vesti with Ele and OL Absolute

Then you can clear it at 561

[tropic summit]

i barely have enough to reroll 1 ele % line

[swift mango]

Pic or lying

[tropic summit]

(not edited)

[lone sequoia]

he can wait for epinel over spec to clear it

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-dorothy-pipe-bomb-gif-4643514375044855612

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-anime-girl-running

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-speech-bubble-speech-discord-gif-25192162

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

16 is enough, use bastion, noir, Sirrn if you wanted more.

[humble tiger]

My account is cursed lmao.

[quaint anchor]

I no use bastion cuz I need charge speed cube for 18% break point

Or I need another line of cs

[swift mango]

When you need more ammo u won't need cs

[quaint anchor]

Idm rolling for more ammo

Railtracer said 60+60 is minimum so I’ll roll that

[swift mango]

That's what I have, 18 ammo. But whatever make you happy

[quaint anchor]

I just want a good PvP vesti cuz top 200 SR too far/mald so I just mald in PvP

[quaint anchor]

Wonder how many more rocks it’ll take to get 60 + 60 ammo

[tropic summit]

it's just 2 lines... surely it will happen... eventually

[cedar sorrel]

More than 5

[quaint anchor]

Rerolling one of my ammo line takes 3 rocks at a time

[cedar sorrel]

Also couldnt u just reset attribute since u already have an ammo

[quaint anchor]

Yes it’s 3 rocks per 💀

[cedar sorrel]

Oh shit

[quaint anchor]

Unless I don’t lock 11% atk ig

[cedar sorrel]

You could risk

Maybe it turns blue

[swift mango]

gimme your rocks

https://tenor.com/view/meme-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-dorothy-dorowhip-gif-13339968757220517040

[quaint anchor]

I’ll probs do ammo and roll the glove for more atk

[cedar sorrel]

And arguably the ammo being 60 is a bigger game chanher than the atk dropping slightly

So this is actually optimal cuz it gives u a chance to get the atk higher (I think)

Not financial advice

[quaint anchor]

No rock left so I’ll think about it tmr

Need surface back for more rocks sil vous plait

[cedar sorrel]

Instead of full burst day nust crash a meteorite into the ark with 200 rocks for everyone

[humble tiger]

[cedar sorrel]

Sure countless people lost their homes and passed away but that ele line tho

[humble tiger]

I'd sacrifice the Ark for 1 more Ele line.

[tropic summit]

nope

[humble tiger]

The people living there are bad people anyway.

[cedar sorrel]

Factual

That ele line will help reclaiming the surface

[quaint anchor]

Also why is reco min 60+60

For vesti ammo

[cedar sorrel]

That gets u 18 Im assuming

[quaint anchor]

But 18 isn’t multiple of 4

Or is that all you need

[tropic summit]

that's not as much as recommended, but rather as minimun

16-18 ammo or 120%+ ammo OL

[quaint anchor]

I see

[cedar sorrel]

Yea but it gets fixed with mermaid usually in pve

[quaint anchor]

My vesti is only gonna be used in PvP content

[cedar sorrel]

Then u want as much ammo as possible

No care ab 4s

[quaint anchor]

Bet

[tropic summit]

fine #gacha-rolls message

[autumn owl]

Guys which team can I use Moran? For special arena

[tropic summit]

here pick your poison

[shell hazel]

good moran comp

[autumn owl]

Ty I was trying to improve or fix my special arena teams cuz I always lose but idk which teams should I use , I never pay attention on pvp but now I would like to improve

But my teams suck

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

absolutely slacking unbelievable!

[autumn owl]

I have nikkes but I have no idea about team composition for atk and def

[cedar sorrel]

Can I ever beat these guys at deficit or are they just gonna hit me but I cant hit back

[tropic summit]

flex

[shell hazel]

they don't need to hit you if you can't hit back 😄

https://tenor.com/view/problem-solved-booger-brown-the-cowboy-way-solution-found-no-more-problems-gif-18480707

[cedar sorrel]

I hit everyone else and then they farm me for points

Which is rude

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/outstanding-move-chess

[shell hazel]

damn shame

[autumn owl]

There are some meta teams for special arena?

[tropic summit]

sure, take a look at these, prefer 2RL and 2.5RL teams, possibly involving vestiTU and SWHA

#pvp-arena message

[cedar sorrel]

In pins theres concepts

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel this tav has too many friends

[shell hazel]

gomen 🙁

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

I need a rookie re-shuffle some time I'm having to give away wins

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

do what i do sometimes, run blue teams

[shell hazel]

I can only hit 4 people so I give away a fight then hit the rest in turn lol

[tropic summit]

especially right after reset

[autumn owl]

Wow there are too many,but almost all of them use the same nikkes , I need to focus on 3 teams where I can take advantage of my strongest nikkes (well at least 2 teams

[tropic summit]

post your box or blabla link set to public

[gritty ridge]

Rail they finally cracked my vest team

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

you actually kind of want to split over 3 teams because if you make 1 super strong team opponent will just skip it

[gritty ridge]

Im so proud

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

'bout time, it's been a while hasn't it

[gritty ridge]

Like 3 weeks after vesti came out

[autumn owl]

Sorry but I don't use blavlabla

[tropic summit]

a way too long time

[tropic summit]

oldschool box is fine too

[gritty ridge]

Ya wanna know what they used?

[glad meteor]

Amanai

[tropic summit]

campaign team?

[autumn owl]

My NIKKEs? I can send you in a dm my NIKKEs ?

[tropic summit]

not in DM, just post here your nikke ordered by strength

[tropic summit]

[gritty ridge]

The humble slow lib

[wild hemlock]

Man Keripos tweet is doing numbers. It's banging so much it's being talked about in my other discord servers who don't play nikke at all

[tropic summit]

the day they learn they can use 3 snipers

[gritty ridge]

I changed my defense to 1rl scar now lmao

[cedar sorrel]

How can u know what they used to beat u?

[wild hemlock]

12.9mil baby

[gritty ridge]

They changed it to their defense and I checked my team against it

[shell hazel]

damn

I saw that this morning was nowhere near 12.9 😮

[autumn owl]

Sorry for my ignorance but what is mean numbers and latter over nikke (2rl/ persentage

[cedar sorrel]

Aha

[tropic summit]

the catto

[gritty ridge]

Pvp is measured by standard rl shots

4rl means you burst around 4 rocket launcher shots

[wild hemlock]

Only checked it again cause it randomly was brought up in another discord and I was like hey I know that guy

[autumn owl]

What do mean when say RL plus %

[cedar sorrel]

Rl stands for rocket launcher which is a unit of time (4 standard rocket launcher shots) and the % mean how much you are towards it. If you are slightly under it can be compensated by outside forces if you are exponentially above it u can say ur wasting burst gen cuz it isnt reaching the next threshold

[autumn owl]

Oh thank I understand

[gritty ridge]

The % is how close to the next breakpoint

Its good for measuring feed needed with jackal or rosa for example

[autumn owl]

Rl is the most useful on pvp right?

[cedar sorrel]

Rocket launchers especially clip rocket launchers have insane burst gen

[autumn owl]

Wow pvp is kinda hard

[real abyss]

algorithm had me showing a dextero article about it

[tropic summit]

until you discover most teams lose to 2 or 3 archetypes

[autumn owl]

I have long time playing but never pay attention on pvp till now but I realize that is something really different

[shell hazel]

every rocket fired by Centi is an RL, so 2RL team bursts on centi 2nd shot landing

[cedar sorrel]

The core concept of pvp is having teams that get burst fast and kill fast

[shell hazel]

Centi being an RL unit and the time it takes for a unit like her to shoot being the time measurement most people go by

[cedar sorrel]

Theres things surrounding this but usually a fast bursting team will wipe u before u can do anything

So thats why 2 to 2.5rl breakpoints are usually what everyone aims for and then theres other things that decide the flow of the battle

[tropic summit]

burst fast win fast

[shell hazel]

burst fast, win fast, go home fast

[autumn owl]

Oh but I don't remember where I read that now with her favorite item centi become useless for pvp(idk if it's true cuz I have no idea about how to work pvp on nikke

[shell hazel]

centi can be any RL unit it's just an example

[tropic summit]

then more time to watch Priscilla change

[shell hazel]

14/12 would watch again

[autumn owl]

Oh I got her but no favorite yet 😭

[cedar sorrel]

Its cuz at phase 2 centi gets a shield that she guves to all ur units that count as extra targets ur enemies can hit so they essentially get more charge towards burst than they would othereise

[shell hazel]

it's just an example

and no don't treasure centi

the same is true for the others as well like jackal. rumani etc, it's just a relatively easy to understand measure of time vs how it actually works, which is frames

[autumn owl]

Ok I need special arena teams composition with my currents nikke cuz pvp on my server becomes really hard

[cedar sorrel]

And when u consider the core concept of "burst first is win" then u can imagine giving ur opp extra burst generation for essentially no benefit is a waste aka brick

[tropic summit]

re;zero part 2, priscilla releases with bunny skin

how much would you spend, and why is your answer yes

[shell hazel]

why is this even a question?

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

the answer is || shut up and take my money ||

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/watashi-ni-tenshi-money

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-potter-wizard-everything-balling-gif-13232110

[austere marsh]

Is new Privaty useful for SpDef teams?

[tropic summit]

average, abusable, nah

good for messing with monkeys but they'll learn

[autumn owl]

When the chat becomes relax I will show my nikkes maybe u could give me some ideas about how should I do my teams if u mind

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/2001-apes-monolith-gif-1664011066935987694

that stone is privT (probably)