pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

even more so as collab unit

never experienced that

emi was always optional tool

[swift mango]

especially when you are gapped

Some people don't have the resources to 101010 nose, 101010 Moran, 71010 Rosa but they had the resource for 777 Emi.
Her off burst d,g was good too.

[tropic summit]

convenient tool if you had it, else you'd invest somewhere else

[swift mango]

She is good for Arena if you don't have much Arena investment. As she replace many units on ATK

Contrary to the claim that she isn't needed unless fighting for top Arena slot

[tropic summit]

back in early 2025 she was way more useful than now

[swift mango]

early 2024

[river dune]

Need help with that one

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

jackal blanc scarlet biscuit swha

[river dune]

Ty

[swift mango]

Replace Scarlet with rapipi and put Vigor on SW if you aren't confident in your scarlet,

[north brook]

Nikke only has advantage

[gritty ridge]

Huh?

You take more dmg from opposing ele

[swift mango]

meaning you dont get dmg reduction at weaker ele

[gritty ridge]

I suppose

[north brook]

Ya only take more from one, deal more to another

[swift mango]

Also, Emi was carrying my campaign for awhile, she is better in Campaign than Rem.
And everyone said, Emi is useless in PvE, because to them PvE = SR only.

[river dune]

Pretty confident upon her

But thanks anyway

[swift mango]

I remember the few days when Emi was SSS for Campaign thanks to her range that no one else had,

only for like a week though, then demoted to SS.

Now with many option she is not even a thing anymore.

still gave way more mileage for me than rem in PvE.

[north brook]

Dont think she was that good but tbh shes always been good cope burst gen in pvp early and now with high cs good gen

[swift mango]

One of the reason I survived Noah-less for a whole year on C1-3 was Emi. Maybe the main reason too.

[still storm]

Need a new defense

[swift mango]

She is always shooting faster than other RL at same CS. Thanks to her skill 1 so meaning lesss Investment to CS needed when you wanted a 2.5rl. That's mean good for casual without much Arena investment,

[north brook]

Ya

[swift mango]

And ofc her CP is much better than Anis.
She helped killing P2 before burst ever since LapT was a thing.

[tropic summit]

she helped, but you wouldn't go far without jackal blanc biscuit centi scarlet

[north brook]

Ya she also had bug since forever so would hit hard

[swift mango]

I was jackaless for a year too.

[tropic summit]

[north brook]

Was always surprising when teams got chunked

[tropic summit]

probably refering to the sync charged shoot bug

blood here had a good time with that

[north brook]

Ya now that we know what it was

[swift mango]

Jackal on new year selector. Noah on new year pilgrim banner or the banner afterward.

[north brook]

Remember my teams getting hit very hard, but it wasnt lethal before vesti

[tropic summit]

pick 3 teams out of these, #pvp-arena message

prefer 2.5RL and 2RL and teams that include vestiTU and SWHA

[swift mango]

At least I didn't take anyone Champ with the bug.

[tropic summit]

cuz RNG had different plans for you

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

My synch shot Vesti was undefeated at the time even against supposedly counters.

[gritty ridge]

What if centi gets increased gen

[primal charm]

can snha swipe without buff chat

[tropic summit]

what do you mean swipe, if running on indom she only needs blanc, if running behind noise/moran/noah she can be ran without buffers

if you wanna add resistance you can add ada to the equation

[swift mango]

"swipe", or wipe

[swift mango]

Then she would be SSS

ofc if she got like 1% increase she wont

[tropic summit]

re enter B2

[swift mango]

if she had HelmT gen she would be SSS even if reenter with bad burst skill. If you wanted to fast burst, just put her p5

When we got like 10 units with HelmT gen then burst gen units wont be high tier anymore

and we would need to consider skills

but now high burst gens still higher tier

[primal charm]

I mean can she one shot or stall again noise/moran without dmg buff

My bad swipe is nonsense lol

[swift mango]

can't, she need time to kill. Her shot even take 3.2s to charge,

can, if you has investment gap against enemy or lucky 100% crit, but it's still 20+ hits with her 1 charge attack. So technically not one shot.

[tropic summit]

she can still kill moran without buffs ye

[swift mango]

but not one shot.

[tropic summit]

whenever you're unsure run her along with ada or helmt anyway

[primal charm]

It is because i fear that my noah get deleted by vesti, then i run mana in

My noah is bs sr0

[tropic summit]

run noah in p5 then

you can run her p4 if you're on 2RL

[swift mango]

Show us the match up instead on asking vaguely. If they have indom vesti your SW is doomed.

SW could skill Vesti in one charge after burst easily provided you had enough ele, survive until she shoot and Vesti isn't indomed.

[glad meteor]

But that help me

[spare nimbus]

i have nero at 7 7 7 do i upgrade skill 1 to 10 or skill 2 to 10 first

i don't have enough mats to 10 both

[swift mango]

Skill 1. But Nero isn't very good now. You could skip her just fine

[spare nimbus]

Ig i’ll wait until treasures come out

If privaty comes out and needs 10/10/10 i will smash my head into the wall

Hopefully moran treasure revives nero moran

[swift mango]

Bro went bored today, or broke.

I guess he just doesn't care about income or profit. Just attack for fun.

[timid python]

What's a good team for this?

[swift mango]

Same team but swap Siren and Noah position. RH and SW position.

Oh wait, maybe Replace Siren with Noise/Moran as well

[timid python]

So like Noise Noah SW RH Biscuit?

[swift mango]

Yeah

[sly wagon]

How's this for a defense team? Should I move anybody around?

[swift mango]

Noah p1 is fine too.

If position 1, Moran is better

Zero rock today

[north brook]

Ya save until we know kits

As easily as they could be op, they could be very meh upgrades like bayT

[swift mango]

Bay T is good enough.

[north brook]

Ya its still upgrade

But small upgrade

[swift mango]

Give centi a heal. I will be sastify.

[north brook]

Hope she does something defensive, mbe b2 dr

Something more than bays 8.5%

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

Don’t know if p2 rumani will steal indom,

T1 could try switching bay in, but may need to remove rh for guarantee 2rl.

[swift mango]

I could actually beat snake rn.

[glad meteor]

[spiral onyx]

CA team locks after the first collab banner drops right?

So there's the possibility Chitosa could be used in this CA?

[lusty gull]

yes, also new treasures

only 1 reset to cook

[covert lintel]

she's SMG

[spiral onyx]

Treasures also come in this patch?

[covert lintel]

Idk
But @quick lake said treasure too

[rich quail]

That’s the hope

It’s the only February update afaik

So most likely treasures and story chapters will be added

It’s 3 weeks for sure because there’s a Story II

[gaunt pulsar]

https://youtu.be/9R_kuvt2R8c?si=5d7K_XmgvpM5i5Yr&t=89 from here what comes with the patch, favorites and new campaign is there, so should be all in one patch

[glad meteor]

Oh damn. So everything really is dropping this week

[swift mango]

Same possibility as Velvet or any banner units I guess

[swift mango]

All in one? What about skill reset?

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

Funny how people on Reddit wonder why an all girl anime with tons of JP doujin released currently got picked for Collab.

And most of them thought impossible Collab like Blue Archive would happen instead of Eva.

People live on cloud sometime

[swift mango]

I see Sugar in this pic. So Sugar treasure soon.

In before they made Summer Sugar instead

[glad meteor]

Summer Harran

[swift mango]

Nothing is impossible if it makes money, even red shoe came back.

I don't think Harran is anywhere as popular though.

Isabel will be seen again, yandere character is popular.

I mean many Hawaiian simping for Akagi, even though their Anscetors were blow to smithereens by Akagi.

I still remember a Hawaiian guy meme about liking Akagi in early AL days

[glad meteor]

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-isabel-wedding-dress-honeymoon-party-gif-3220600772501867177

They did went ahead and give her a very different motion set

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

privaty 15s stun approaches

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

but most importantly new chapters, meaning i can play this game for a few hours again

[glad meteor]

I am so ||not|| ready

[glad meteor]

Quick battle through campaign then sr museum

[restive heart]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

1/10 win rate average on attack is something else

[restive heart]

he is improving

[tropic summit]

at some point you should re-use a defense he previously cleared just to see if he actually learned

[swift mango]

Reuse def trick no working for me though. I wish it does.

I guess it worked if the def was 3 month ago or sth

And only got beat once so no one remember

Somehow move team sometime work.

[hybrid fox]

can u siren stun this team

or 2RL rh scar?

[swift mango]

No

[keen vapor]

Wym no

[hybrid fox]

too slow?
its 2.5RL btw

[keen vapor]

Surely she can survive same synch and with link

[swift mango]

It's 2rl

[tropic summit]

siren can stun that team if:

• she lives in p2 against vestiTU and emilia splash, unlikely unless linked and with biscuit
• enemy team isn't 11%CS team wide, based on synchro 664 and running essentially 3 clip RL it's likely he's set that up to prevent siren stun

hence: better you approach that team differently

[hybrid fox]

nani

[hollow lagoon]

She ded

[swift mango]

Moran steal taunt from Noah.
You need very specific CS to not, and often Noah would still burst before stun in that range.

[swift mango]

This is 2rl. Unless Vesti has absolutely zero CS.

[tropic summit]

it was tested, moran p1 noah p2 will get siren stunned if she's p1 or p2

that is assuming enemy isn't running 11%+CS team wide though

[swift mango]

Noah get siren stun but still burst before stunned.

[hybrid fox]

that means I cannot 2rl scar kill right

then maybe skip this team

[tropic summit]

do you want me to show you the video?

[keen vapor]

You can believe 💪

[tropic summit]

you can beat it with SWHA behind noah biscuit

[keen vapor]

Or not

You're lower synch than him?

[hollow lagoon]

@restive heart my torid riven is around the 1.8-2k range, I guess - zoom specifically is 3k

[hybrid fox]

oof

higher I am 671

[swift mango]

You could but there was video that Moran got stunned instead. And there was video that Noah got stun but burst in time as well.

[hybrid fox]

my team 1 wins and I can try that too

[restive heart]

thats scam lah

[hollow lagoon]

-zoom is around 3.2k for sale atm

[leaden canyon]

rail I'm starting to work on nayuta, the cp increase is happening

[restive heart]

@hollow lagoon send me your torid again

[leaden canyon]

I went up 40k cp with 4 rocks

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

poor opponent gonna have to give up padding against you

[hybrid fox]

what

[leaden canyon]

his biggest pad is 2.9 now and vesti still kills it

[swift mango]

I mean even with that one video doesn't dismissed other videos.

[hollow lagoon]

Remember kids 2.5rl indom is nice

[hybrid fox]

against his scar? or team 3 god dam it sry I am dumb

[restive heart]

brother thats low.

wuduhell happeing in wf lol

[hollow lagoon]

What are you fighting again?

[hybrid fox]

here
can u explain ur thoughts if u can

[restive heart]

@hollow lagoon i asked everyone. they saying its around 1.5k - 3k max

[hybrid fox]

that team 1 is so slow u can scar it

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

Are you sure ur t1 is 2rl? Your t3 has no defences

[hybrid fox]

I think

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

he's getting creative

[hollow lagoon]

Use helm

Ur team 3 is idk

[hybrid fox]

its 2.5RL haha but ok

[hollow lagoon]

Have you tested if your rosana can 1 tap their sw?

[hybrid fox]

not sure

I just remember its a no for another player BUT

I won this before so maybe

I think likely cuz rosy > both water and win them

[hollow lagoon]

What your cs on jackal and vesti?

[keen vapor]

You shouldn't need to think it, just watch it happening

skip button was a mistake

[swift mango]

Laplace Indom gonna be lit.

[hollow lagoon]

Actually you know what @hybrid fox just roll dis in prob will work, hope ur Emma is squishy

[hybrid fox]

I didnt skip it was an old fight

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sora-cooking

[hybrid fox]

it's besti I tried

WHAT

[keen vapor]

I recommend screenrecording battles

[restive heart]

[glad meteor]

Shougeki no sama

[hollow lagoon]

Cheated

[glad meteor]

Or something like that

[keen vapor]

Souma

[hybrid fox]

[keen vapor]

Shokugeki no Souma

[glad meteor]

Yes

[keen vapor]

I liked the recipes

[hybrid fox]

against which team
also any other girl except Emma also works right

[keen vapor]

Really I've always been like that huh....

[hybrid fox]

this is my enemy team 3 now btw btw

[hollow lagoon]

Any fire unit that dies fast and proper

So rosana can trigger and kill sw

Not too high attack tho u want rosana to be linked

With jackal

[leaden canyon]

also idk how emilia got hit here by rosanna, my SWHA has more attack

[hollow lagoon]

And sw

[hybrid fox]

mihaha might as wel oh

[hollow lagoon]

Ur Rosa needs to be better rolled than Mihara

In attack

[hybrid fox]

let me see

[hollow lagoon]

Worse case u can just make Mihara level 1 if u have the cp to do it

[hybrid fox]

this is against the team 3 right

[hollow lagoon]

Ye

Let me know if it works

Also u need to make rosana higher hp than sw so prob vigor cube

[hybrid fox]

need vid?

[hollow lagoon]

No

U can just tell me if Rosa poked sw to death followed by if u win or not

And which unit on their team end up indoming

[tropic summit]

eh nothing dissapointing, that's a legit team at this point

[hollow lagoon]

Prob jackal

[hybrid fox]

ok rosanna INDEED gets the buff

[leaden canyon]

do you know why emilia got rosanna nuked and not SWHA?

emilia less attack

[hollow lagoon]

Rosana needs to be with jackal in link so her concealment buff don’t get stripped by swha’s aoe

[swift mango]

Well, since I can't find the video with Moran getting the stun I wouldn't argue against this anymore. I still remember there was a video that changed my opinion that Noah would get stun to Moran taunt stun before but I wouldn't find it.

[hybrid fox]

ye

[tropic summit]

i also assumed that at first, but turns out siren in p1 and p2 can stun consistently noah due to distance

even if moran should "pull" her aggro

[hybrid fox]

ok

[gaunt pulsar]

it's not distance really, it's just actual taunt having priority over "attract"

[tropic summit]

probably due to rosanna targetting and unit positioning
#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

nah we already addressed that

we talking about moran and noah on 2RL being p1 and p2, siren will stun noah if in p1 or p2 regardless

[leaden canyon]

ohhh right

[tropic summit]

frenzy tested it out and noah in p1 would be "saved" by moran in p2 if siren is used in p3-p4-p5

[leaden canyon]

Wow I was stressing over fighting that for nothing

[hybrid fox]

very close @hollow lagoon rosy kills sw and biscuit and jackal BUT xmaiden went indom

it was a dangerous fight because

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, and that happens because moran has attract on b1, while noah keeping enemy glued to herself via taunt at all times

[tropic summit]

don't make me have to explain it again

@gaunt pulsar

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

look at frenzy videos, you'll see what we talking about

[gaunt pulsar]

i'm just saying that it has nothing to do with distance, if siren is p1 or p2 she gets taunted to noah not because she is just at this positions but because you cannot overwrite noah taunt with moran

[tropic summit]

that is not what we talking about

[hollow lagoon]

So u won, guess need to make this indom set slower or use different set of defences

[gaunt pulsar]

i know well and i'm not arguing that moran should get stunned or will

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit can slow Cindy keel dis?

[swift mango]

I assume Moran won't be stunned from the begin but some guy showed me the video that Moran got stun when Siren p2 instead.

That's when I changed my opinion

[tropic summit]

just nayuta + ross it, for slow cindy to work against that you need invulnerability to pop on her

[hollow lagoon]

Sad universe

[tropic summit]

ye it's based on siren positioning

[swift mango]

Siren p2 and Moran got stunned.

[hollow lagoon]

@hybrid fox the guru @tropic summit spoken, Rosa Nayuta

[hybrid fox]

oh?

[tropic summit]

moran noah flex flex flex (2RL)
vs
flex siren flex flex flex

and moran got stunned? is this the scenario you talking about?

[hybrid fox]

oh

anything else like RL setting

[swift mango]

Yeah but I won't search my chat record to find it. So yeah, ignore.

[tropic summit]

no it's fine it's curious, probably has to do with irregular CS% on noah side

[hollow lagoon]

Kind of like dis

[gaunt pulsar]

can see it happen if there was noise at p5 on siren* side, but yeah, sounds unusual

[tropic summit]

spaghetti code with weird CS% can probably make it happen

[hollow lagoon]

Need negative ammo cube to make Moran taunt

[gaunt pulsar]

or that

[hollow lagoon]

SU grant me the evil cube

Make Dorothy great again

[tropic summit]

negative ammo so ein/scarlet stay permanently covered while countering/attacking

[hollow lagoon]

[hybrid fox]

ok it breaks t1
(although SWole should win T1 there too)

[hollow lagoon]

SU make it happpppeb

[hybrid fox]

2.5RL should also kill their scar team

I will try next time @hollow lagoon thank you for helping this idiot that cannot figure out hard and new teams on his own

[hollow lagoon]

I’m also an idiot @tropic summit can confirm

[tropic summit]

you're not an idiot, so i won't confirm

[hollow lagoon]

You confirm or u become my new sister, pick your poison

[tropic summit]

nah i already took your sister

[swift mango]

I mean, it could be all in my head. @hollow lagoon was there during that conversation so if he doesn't remember it, it may not exists.

[hollow lagoon]

I was, it was too weird I tune it out

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[covert lintel]

@swift mango will this win?

[hollow lagoon]

I can’t comprehend it so I choose not to

[tropic summit]

that is deficit good sir

ya need 2695k

[covert lintel]

17.91

[tropic summit]

that's still 34% stat penalty

[swift mango]

It could, especially if they don't have team wide 11% CS.

[tropic summit]

synchro 737 and in rakuen's bracket, what are the odds

[swift mango]

Oh wait the CP.

[covert lintel]

I have another team that reached this cp but still rng

[tropic summit]

why not noah biscuit archetype with ultra buffed vesti instead?

[swift mango]

I doubt but maybe 18% deficit though

[tropic summit]

depends if he pops biscuit stack on jackal aswell

[hollow lagoon]

-21*C today looks like I ain’t going out for lunch

[tropic summit]

if both biscuit stacks burned pre burst, he'll kill within 5s-8s maybe

[covert lintel]

I can't
His nikkes hit hard

[swift mango]

I wish I had an afternoon with -21*C.

[hollow lagoon]

lel why

[tropic summit]

i need to do groceries

[swift mango]

Just once in awhile, excuse to be lazy

[hollow lagoon]

i still have to go to work in -24

[dusty estuary]

I tried updating my SP Arena teams but I think I made them worse. Rookie I think I made better. Suggestions? I'm kind of poor and I haven't invested in Rumani, Biscuit, Centi, and Trina beyond skills, but I can give them all dolls at least.

[tropic summit]

T1 sort of ok
T2 sbs is out of meta on defense
T3 too slow

also build vestiTU asap

[dusty estuary]

yea she's top of the list

[leaden canyon]

helm vesti SWHA rosanna noah or nayuta helm vesti SWHA hood for rookie

For context siren noah was 50/50 working

[tropic summit]

nayuta is easier to deal against, do the first

[leaden canyon]

if rapu rez goes off as the same time as rosanna, does rapu rez?

[tidal lichen]

it kinda depends on noahs cs no?

[dusty estuary]

SAnis any better for T2? she's less invested tho. Throw Anis somewhere in there for T3? Take Alice out? It's kind of my CP padding team. Maybe swap Rapipi for Siren?

[tropic summit]

s.anis would have better threat than SBS, albeit still a poor choice for B3
siren would add difficulty against the enemy

[tropic summit]

CS% dependant, although from my experience rapunzel seems to happen before rosanna hits

you'd need to be a tad slower than opponent to consistently revive AFTER rosanna casts B1

[dusty estuary]

cool, thank you kindly

[restive heart]

bro was on spree and now he is at rank 7

[restive heart]

we should mention the community manager to give you MA pvp role

[shell hazel]

they're 1 million cp behind you they should put the gems into getting more sync

[restive heart]

bro is speaking facts

but sadly, KING doesnt want that….

[shell hazel]

well it's mostly sad for them they're just burning gems for no reason

the guy who is now 4th was likely 7th but saw they were easy enough to take on

[swift mango]

Maybe he discovered LR Collab and regret

[swift mango]

I mean dude is low CP. He can't hold and just hit for fun.

[high stream]

I tried shifting some stuff around .. but I always lose against 2 of his teams.
His Team 1 I cant beat at all. And his Team 2 and 3 seem like inconsistent victories.

[glad meteor]

Scar soda shenanigans

[swift mango]

Team 2 they used soda. Team 3 you aren't really 2rl

[high stream]

Well, can I get some help?

I've already spent 200 gems trying to figure it out myself

[glad meteor]

I invested maid ade for scar soda, could run label these days

[tidal lichen]

noise noah helm swha trina
rumani nayuta bisc drake sbs
jackal vesti blanc centi lib

make sure vesti has less hp than lib

you can swap drake with manchor if youre not in range

[timid furnace]

Not the smartest man on earth, but did do a tiny bit of research and tried to make some PvP lineups. Are these fine or can I improve on them? (I have included a list of my usable nikkes in each screenshot as well)

[high stream]

Does this Team have the CP?

[tidal lichen]

barely

[shell hazel]

the cp formula is static, you should note down how to calculate it

opponent cp * 0.846 = your minimum
save you asking if you have enough cp when mscalc can do it 🙂

[high stream]

That's true, yes. But I'm always unsure, if "as long as u're not 15% less, it's fine" is always true
Or if for example u're 13% weaker, that has an actual effect that can determine the outcome of a fight

[tidal lichen]

not as bad as the stat penalty

[high stream]

Like, maybe this team loses at 13% deficit
But wins at 10%

[tidal lichen]

ayo im orange

[shell hazel]

the chart everyone works off says that above this minimum calc you suffer 0 stat penalty

[tidal lichen]

that only matters on certain teams

[high stream]

Oh, okay.

[tidal lichen]

like if youre trying to outdps a stall team

[swift mango]

Those deficit are the same. Only their investment in synch, research and others make a difference

[tidal lichen]

against teams like that 10-15% doesnt really matter

[shell hazel]

having less deficit is surely good but it's not a big disadvantage if you're in range

comp should matter more if in range

[shell hazel]

drop privaty run new vesti TU instead

[high stream]

Team 3 was insanely close though. I won with less than a second left on indom. I was actually unsure if I won or not, cause the screen just went black, it wasnt clear at all.

[tidal lichen]

how did 2 lose

[high stream]

It got crushed, B3 didnt happen, it went down from there

[tidal lichen]

b3 isnt supposed to happen

[timid furnace]

Mainly did her for the reduced ammo on summer anis but I can test that yes. Should vesti burst before or after anis?

[high stream]

Their Team 2 was faster.

Well, their team won against mine with about 60% hp left on all their nikke

[shell hazel]

s.anis is a bit mid now for pvp shouldn't invest her for this reason - main b3 vesti instead

[tidal lichen]

i trusted nayutas nuke

[high stream]

it wasnt nearly enough it seems

[swift mango]

Because unbuffed Nayuta suck.

[high stream]

And my Nayuta is pretty heavily invested

[shell hazel]

your t3 you should RH buff the b1 instead of siren so re-position a bit

[tidal lichen]

[shell hazel]

re-arrange t3 to this

[swift mango]

If it's not, SG Rosa Nayuta would have 100% win rate against scarlet in CA

[timid furnace]

May I ask btw what these % are? Tried looking it up and I understood like nothing LMAO

[shell hazel]

or rapi p2 may be better, lib is fine as cp/battery

1RL is the time it takes a RL unit like centi, anis etc to fire 1 rocket

so 2RL burst is burst ready in 2 rockets

[tidal lichen]

scarlet just loses if nayuta bursts no?

i always send rumani nayuta bisc to soda scarlet

[swift mango]

No really, unless you out invested them somehow, unbuffed Nayuta burst would just be tanked if other units in Nayuta team got killed

[timid furnace]

So the lineup is to more effectively generate burst if I am understanding it right(?)

[swift mango]

If you had RH buff though, scar team would be wiped.

Scarlet in CA nowadays use Rapu. So if Rosa couldn't one shot and scar burst Nayuta wouldn't have a chance

[shell hazel]

yes, 2RL is about the highest speed we can do, with some exceptions

your t3 the speed doesn't matter as much it's mostly cp pad and nayuta invulnerability

ideally you'd have 2 teams at 2RL and then just the cp pad nayuta team for t3

[timid furnace]

Alright. I assume the website to check the RL is pinned in this channel? Wanted to see then if my other teams get to 2RL or not

[shell hazel]

you can put the teams into the deck builder site to see the speed https://nikke-deck.web.app/

but you do also need to think about positioning, if you put your only b1 at p1 and it's undefended strong opponent dps could kill them quick

due to how auto-burst works for left most nikke b1 b2 b3 in pvp

so one team you'd want a jackal linked p1, whether it's jackal herself or someone on her link chain

and for the other you may want a defender at p1 and biscuit further back to trigger her immunity

[timid furnace]

Oh yeah almost forgot about positioning, won't this mean though that in the previous screenshot you sent that RH bursts over siren? Is that better?

[shell hazel]

RH b1 is about the strongest dps buff there is

siren stuns without bursting

she just shoots at stuff and stuns it

[timid furnace]

Ah alright, then yeah that makes sense

[shell hazel]

main issue with RH is she has no burst gen

but if you're in CP pad team anyway it's probably fine if she's strong otherwise

[timid furnace]

Yeah team 3 is the only ones really invested. The DPS have all skills on lvl 10 and nayuta + siren have lvl 8 skills. + All of them have 2+ OL gear with lib & red hood having all OL gear.

[shell hazel]

do you have biscuit?

[timid furnace]

Sadly not. Been trying to pull her but I have soon gotten core enhancement on legit every tetra unit on the wishlist before pulling her

[shell hazel]

rumani?

[timid furnace]

Nope

Mainly been pulling for good boss / story units until recently so PvP is a bit neglected

[shell hazel]

moran?

[timid furnace]

Moran I do have, just not invested in the slightest

[shell hazel]

treasure coming soon

might be even better than she is now for pvp we have to see

[timid furnace]

Am aware, might go for it once I finish helm treasure but getting those 110 items is taking a good while

That and I'd need to get more pulls on Moran since she hasn't any spare bodies

[shell hazel]

silver milage swappable soon for her

you may try something like this

slot 5 in t1 is open for whatever high cp dps you want to add

doesn't really matter who here, just high cp even alice etc would work

slot 5 on t3 is similarly just add some high cp dps

this could work for t2 but your cp may suffer too much if moran and trina unbuilt

[timid furnace]

Yeah I can plan for it for the future, but both of them don't even have gear equipped at this moment. So can't build for now

[shell hazel]

no main thing anyway now is pushing campaign etc

[timid furnace]

Campaign is fine for most part. I just basically need to get OL gear for my main lineup (which is basically just team 3) since I only need to get all skills from 8-10 on nayuta + siren (granted will take a bit but that's about it)

That, and having other units invested doesn't hurt since I can only get kraken to T3 on AI, rest of them I can only get T2

[shell hazel]

well after you done that put some resources into the core stuff like jackal and noah first anyway for pvp

vesti helm snow white etc all have good pve use cases too and therefore you build anyway

if your helmT isn't maxed treasure then consider swapping so you b3 with vesti TU instead, helmT needs maxed out treasure for her b3 to be good

[timid furnace]

Yeah she isn't sadly. I think I am around 40 items ish away from getting it, so by the start of march I should have her maxed treasure

[timid furnace]

For now I put Alice in T1 to boost the CP of the team a bit, and SBS in T3 since she gets boosted by lib. Also won't rapi become the B1 in the T3 lineup? Just noticed now

[shell hazel]

yeah we'll need an actual b1 there

can use liter instead of sbs or similar

[timid furnace]

Liter the only good B1 besides siren I have invested, so will probs need to throw her in yes.

But that should do it, I'll also be able to work on some thing on my own now, thank you so much for the help! Now I'll just need to lose a few defences since everyone I am encountering is 1 mil or above power while I am at 500k. .

[shell hazel]

curious - pvp is based on account age so if you started/stopped/came back then you kind of pause whilst everyone else moves on

[timid furnace]

Yeah, I joined back when summer anis dropped. Then I left & came back recently (like to the start of blank ticket event)

[shell hazel]

yeah that explains it - it kind of perma bricks your pvp though sadly

[timid furnace]

So I am indeed very much behind to everyone else, but even so I am at least finding enough people to

Get me to consistently stay in plat 1-2

Which is not horrible at least

[shell hazel]

if you can sneak into top 30 one day it's good

[timid furnace]

Once I get my units high enough CP to cross the 1 mil threshold, it will 100% be possible. Since nearly 99% of people are around that area, not much higher

Example, legit first page that popped up entering arena

[glad meteor]

Off burst blance

[lone sequoia]

it is what it is

sometimes i forget how many people we have in each bracket

[swift mango]

It's a reverse trap for Soda. She would think you wanted to burst with Centi and stun her instead.

[swift mango]

When you get 1m team they would be 1.5-2m

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

Rosy changing name again

[glad meteor]

Rosy changing name again

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/outstanding-move-chess

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel @glad meteor this is not rosy you fools, he didn't say trust the process yet

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/danganronpa-ultimate-imposter-ultimate-imposter-gif-18954723

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tf2engineer-imposter

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-tf2spy-worst-sus-anyone-gif-22434495

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

@restive heart lel imagine mesa and syren getting out killed and out damaged by my superior rhino

[tropic summit]

you can't deceive me with your lies

until he says the line, it's not rosy

@hollow lagoon @shell hazel @glad meteor

[shell hazel]

when can I partake?

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

a few years

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

i'm sorry but i'm sexier

[tropic summit]

lies, deception

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gigachad-13

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/misato-misato-katsuragi-katsuragi-evangelion-neon-genesis-evangelion-gif-24927618

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

ofc it's the most replayed

why are people so simple

[glad meteor]

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit LOL IT HAS A BEETLE SKIN

[tropic summit]

hold on i'm distracted

[hollow lagoon]

ok that's hot

[tropic summit]

that's the problem

plus her burning hair is so good

[tidal lichen]

this is hotter

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-anime-girl-160

[tidal lichen]

fashionframe

the real endgame.

[tropic summit]

well if it was ember or saryn i could agree...

or mirage

[tidal lichen]

i kinda wanna launch warframe now

[tropic summit]

don't do it

it's a trap and you know it

[tidal lichen]

every now and then i just launch randomly, look at my chars and stuff and alt f4

[tropic summit]

oh that's fine i guess

[tidal lichen]

its kinda hard to completely return to with infinite system changes

[tropic summit]

was more considering the "eh i'll just do a quick run.... aaaaand i'm 60 minutes into a single session farming"

i still remember farming with mesa/saryn/ember on some defense stages for 40-60 minutes, praying you don't DC

[tidal lichen]

im not even sure if i finished default mesa and saryn

definitely finished ember for her helminth skill

[oak hatch]

The video before for p4 siren was from bigboi but I tested out myself in p3 to see if our cs made a difference but targeting still stayed the same, it seems like when putting the two taunters together it makes siren switch to Moran but if Moran away from Noah siren will just target p1

Also previous p2 siren test was again non-team wide 11 cs and now it’s against team wide 11 cs and Noah still gets hit but goes before stun

[gaunt pulsar]

2nd example here might be on the edge of noah taunting with her b1 over moran b1, they apply the same effect, what happens in the first one i'm not sure though, assuming nothing changed besides positioning between 2 videos

[oak hatch]

So for 2nd vid normally if siren is in p3, she can’t be taunted anyway because of positioning so it makes sense Moran won’t be targeted there

But for the 1st vid, siren was able to be taunted by Moran even tho she isn’t supposed to from her position, so I think because the two taunters are besides each other Noah somehow allows siren to hit Moran

[tropic summit]

@swift mango this could interest you too

thanks for sharing @oak hatch

[oak hatch]

np

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

you... you're rosy
~~who would ever guessed ~~

[umbral crown]

I am hanako nana, its a pleasure to make your acquaintance

[tropic summit]

oh same here, nice to meet you Rosy 🤝

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Nice to meet you acer.

[swift mango]

ice to meet you ako.

[glad meteor]

The shooting range main life aint bad today

tsun tsun

https://tenor.com/view/anime-tsundere-pout-petty-upset-gif-8657468

🥛

[umbral crown]

52

[swift mango]

Moran in P4 burst a bit sooner 34vs33 bullets left (thanks to p3-5 bullet travel time a bit faster than p1-2, I guess) thus the stun came back to Noah because she taunted before Siren stun.

This is case by case basic and frame sensitive, doesn't work the same for everyone unless they all have same CS and positioning.

@tropic summit

[swift mango]

In this video, Noah hit her 3rl shot right after Moran taunt, thus activate her on hit taunt before siren, then she even bursted before she got stunned. The older video Rail showed me was too buried I couldn't make head or tail of it but these 3 are clear enough.

[oak hatch]

U forgetting siren cannot be taunted when she in p3-5 so she will regardless hit p1 even if Moran was faster/slower while she’s in p4

Only reason the taunt is actually able to go on Moran is because Noah is next to Moran

[gaunt pulsar]

it's interesting and just goes a little against of what should happen.

• all 3 videos are team 11cs wide we can clearly see that b2 goes off before stun.
• both moran and noah have "attract: taunt all enemies" on their burst which should make them targets of attack from p1 p2 p3 p4 p5 units unless actual "taunt" is involved which should steal attacks from anyone at p1 and p2 when noah shooting there
• in first video noah doesn't taunt siren with her basic obviously, but moran gets stunned at p2 even though noah casted her b2 too with plenty of free time, which has the same effect as Moran burst "attract: taunt all enemies", so in theory it should mean that she should have stayed the target of siren stun, unless Siren stun takes time to redirect and casting b2 wasn't enough to make noah a siren target, or attract mechanic takes time to make you target, something to test definitely especially on a low speed instead.
• 2nd video, is weird because if stun takes time to redirect and everything happened the same - the only variable in terms of speed here is trina and centi positions, with trina being at p2 makes her 2frames slower, potentially meaning that by casting b1 2f slower didn't had time to make moran the target of stun yet, hard to believe myself so we might as well go with idea that moran being so far away from noah also has effect, but it's gotta be something more simple and stupid, it's all coded and not visualized.
• video 3 is expected result because noah taunts siren with her basic

will try stuff myself

[swift mango]

in p3-5 she will be taunted by burst. Not normal attack.

My point was Moran at p4 or Trina p2, change the burst speed of the team by 1 frame

thanks to positioning thus change the one who taunt

when siren stun

[lament latch]

Where to find team builds for the arena?

[swift mango]

These are normal logical reaction, the only things that need to be proven was if Burst taunt override on attack taunt OR not.
One guy showed me it did before but I won't bother dig it up, it could be in my head since I can't provide prove.

[oak hatch]

So if I’m understanding this correctly, u said that Moran in p4 is faster than in p2, so wouldn’t p4 make it more likely for siren to hit Moran since she’s faster?

[swift mango]

Moran burst faster > Noah burst faster > Noah Taunt faster so Siren 50th bullet hit Noah instead.

[oak hatch]

I see, how about for the cs dependent part? I don’t actually think cs actually plays a part when siren p2 vs Moran noah in the front, the videos I sent earlier was teamwide 11 cs compared to the ones rail tagged a while back which were not team wide 11 cs. Both videos show that noah got hit

[swift mango]

If Noah hit right after Moran b1 then Noah would steal back the taunt.
Need a video with Noah of different CS or Moran at different burst timing so that Noah doesn't hit or b2 between Moran b1 and Siren stun. To prove that Moran burst taunt could override Noah on hit taunt.

OR not

Again, I remember someone sent me that but it could be in my head.

[oak hatch]

Took a while to read this but one thing to point out is that my noah for both old and new tests were on 15 cs despite teamwide 11 cs or not so yeah maybe can try to test if results are different with other noah cs

[swift mango]

long story short, so long as there is ONE video with Moran+Noah p1-2, and Siren p1-2 and Siren stun Moran. It would prove Moran "attract taunt" could override "on-hit taunt". And other case is just CS problem.

[swift mango]

One the other hand, we need a video of this case and Noah getting stun to disprove it

[gaunt pulsar]

it is different, uploading rn

[oak hatch]

Ig for the video #1, bigboi’s video compared is already an example of lower speed? Both videos had Moran stunned

[swift mango]

black bra character. Black bra ads.

[glad meteor]

[gaunt pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjKTL8VSmFc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxwsAQKI9Rk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07DzNPrJJYQ

video 1 - moran stunned at p2, her burst attracted siren, 30f+ more than enough for that, but b2 is on the edge of her stun and noah effect didn't had time. curiously you can see that 2nd stun went to noah because now her burst effect overwrote moran's one, it just didnt had enough time when first one went.
video 2 - moran at p4 stunned, same deal just 2f slower cause biscuit at p2 is shooting later, doesn't change like in yours examples
video 3 - noah at p2 stunned, 12f was enough for her effect to take effect and attract siren, will search for edgecases, that example was too fast, so interested to see if slightly slower one still will make noah target of stun, there definitely delay either between how long it takes for for siren to switch of attract to take effect
frames mostly counted by smg ammo + nikke.top, moran ammo is a little bit unreliable there cause she switches to infinite

[slate falcon]

Can y’all help me before reset? (I included my character box).

I’ve tried multiple comp but still lost, (if can’t beat any of his team at this current time let me know)

[shell hazel]

what does the cp of this look like?

issue is t1/t3 you need almost 200k to even fight them

[slate falcon]

I don’t have siren who should I replace her with?

Could redhood work?

[shell hazel]

could do yes - who links in that team though?

can you put the team into a mock AI battle or something anyone could link here 😄

[slate falcon]

I think blank or sw

[shell hazel]

it's not going to blanc she's a supporter

jackal will link with 2 highest attackers in game

[slate falcon]

Don’t think have enough time

[shell hazel]

alright well I want to have the main link/indom be SW so if that fails it fails

for the noise/noah team can try this

run this one into the nayuta team

[slate falcon]

Wait SW got the link

[shell hazel]

no siren as mentioned

for rapi swap

rec if you can

[slate falcon]

Times up Ty for trying, I’ll have to work on my pvp units

[shell hazel]

you had time to try to send them I think, did you not?

[oak hatch]

That’s interesting so Moran still can be stunned when she at p4 depending on how fast the team is. Do u have anyone with p1-2 siren u can test against? Mainly curious if Moran can tank the stun for Noah from there since that’s where siren is most annoying

[shell hazel]

your most obvious issue here is jackal/noah no dolls so will hurt your cp

[slate falcon]

I fought them a lost with both I think my cp to low .

[shell hazel]

would need to see recordings to see your cp wasn't too low

[slate falcon]

Yeah i can seem to a RL doll not even a blue one idk why

[shell hazel]

solo raid soon so maybe some more new ones

[slate falcon]

No rl curse I guess

[wild hemlock]

@umbral belfry

[shell hazel]

your opponent seems to have some clue also and happens to basically have all the meta units by 241 sync lol

so might be a re-roller or so

[slate falcon]

I use to constantly be able to atk him but he got a lvl jump and I can’t anymore

[shell hazel]

yeah he has +30 sync on you, maybe spender also

[slate falcon]

Most likely a spender

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah want to test noah p1 moran p2>etc, but pretty sure not gonna change from previous experiments - noah gonna be stunned, maybe tonight maybe tmrw

[covert lintel]

@tropic summit @swift mango won it

[umbral belfry]

[gaunt pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RCaiLh4zkw nah, doesn't save her, at p4 too, was thinking maybe it will affect priority of the taunt if she is at p1 and moran after her but it really is just "taunt" having more priority over b1 "attract", where previously against p3 p4 p5 siren it obv worked not gonna cut it here, though we tested it multiple times already just usually with noah at p2

[oak hatch]

Thx for testing didn’t think it would be different but wanted someone else to try it to be sure @swift mango ig what we can conclude from this is trying to get Moran to tank stun from Noah is pretty unreliable even if u seen it work once or twice before

[gaunt pulsar]

works against p3 p4 p5 all the time though, but p1 noah p2 moran setups are rare, and when moran p1 and noah p2 no one cares that siren is p3 p4 p5

[oak hatch]

Yeah Moran works when basically anything else would also work as long as Noah not in p1

[arctic jewel]

ait, I'm trying to figure out how I should approach 2 of my opponents in SP Arena. Here are their teams:
Opponent 1
Blanc/Jackal/SWHA/Biscuit/SBS
Moran/Noah/HelmT/Vesti/RH
Scarlet/Trina/Cindy/Siren/LaplaceT

My teams:
t1: Rumani/Blanc/Ein/HelmT/Biscuit
or
Scarlet/Trina/Rosanna/HelmT/Jackal
t2: Blanc/Rumani/Biscuit/Cindy/Mihara
t3: Noise/Rumani/Vesti/DrakeT/Noah
or
Noise/Noah/Vesti/HelmT/Ada (I'm pretty sure Noise will get stunned)
or
RH/Scarlet/Trina/Centi/Jackal

Opponent 2
Moran/Noah/Vesti/Centi/Rumani
Jackal/SWHA/XMaiden/Blanc/LaplaceT
Scarlet/Trina/HelmT/Anis/Rosanna

My teams:
t1: Noah/Trina/Rapunzel/Vesti/Biscuit
or
Noah/Moran/Biscuit/HelmT/SWHA
t2: Rumani/Blanc/Ein/HelmT/Biscuit
t3: Noise/Noah/Cindy/HelmT/Jackal
or
Scarlet/Trina/HelmT/Mana/Label

If there's any flaws with my teams, please let me know, thank you

suggestions for other teams would be nice as well

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-parks-and-recreation-pand-r-ron-swanson-nick-offerman-gif-5690081

[arctic jewel]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

(sorry)

[shell hazel]

I doubt anyone can work with that - you'd be better off at least posting their teams in images

[arctic jewel]

guess I have to boot up Nikke again xD

[gaunt pulsar]

t1 dead to applying protection on yourself and disabling their blanc with siren, or disabling their blanc and using faster nuke than them.
t2 dead to indom swha, depending on your level difference and invest might be tough but probably wont.
t3 slow, as long as you can tank scarlet they are dead to pretty much anything, dead either through noah protecting yourself or by using faster nuke than them

your t1 relies too much on rng, you not only slower but also has no way to make sure that ein gets indom
t2 dont know if slow cindy will work there, rh buffed helmt might ruin it for you, depending on level difference especially, indom swha should work better
t3 cook something, i havent looked into yours

[arctic jewel]

Opponent 1:

Opponent 2:

[arctic jewel]

I assume, you're talking about Opponent 1? thank you!

I'll see what I can do

[gaunt pulsar]

yes, might just skip t2 if there no cp penalty on other 2 teams

[arctic jewel]

no I should be good when it comes to CP

[cedar sorrel]

Pvp is based off of similar account creation dates right? Im synch 212

[arctic jewel]

yes

[glad meteor]

🐳

[cedar sorrel]

Casually 110 levels ahead of me is kinda wild

[arctic jewel]

and also, yeah, 🐳

also, I wonder how much the player spent on Rapi RH and SWHA pulls?

(or maybe godlike luck?????)

[gaunt pulsar]

2300 servers behind me and still same level as our current top1 whale (mine is quite baby and slow at campaighn but still whale)

[cedar sorrel]

Also his icon has sparkles and a sheen? How do u get that?

[gaunt pulsar]

core 7 unit

[cedar sorrel]

Damn

[cedar sorrel]

He defo just spent a truckload

[arctic jewel]

yeah I wasn't super serious when I wrote that 😛

[cedar sorrel]

Ahh I see

[arctic jewel]

but it technically is a possibility, just very unlikely

[eager brook]

Not leviathan level though otherwise Nayuta would be core 7 as well, unless that account was created after the 3rd anniversary ended

[cedar sorrel]

They have the gacha skin if thats any indicator

[eager brook]

I remember the skin was still available after Nayuta's banner ended, otherwise I'd have gone ape on that banner 😞

[arctic jewel]

my luck with those banners were kinda bad

I managed to get them MLB though

[gaunt pulsar]

that looks like someone second account to spend, and with just smarter play, more invest but not leviathan level indeed, otherwise would be full max core every new banner

he has ada at lb0 so started somewhere here probably

[arctic jewel]

oh well... let people play the game however they want, at least they're keeping the game afloat xD

[cedar sorrel]

Yea I started in the middle of resident evil event

Yea right thanks for keeping the game f2p. I will take 2nd place in rookie arena np

[arctic jewel]

💳

[eager brook]

Gacha games taught me to farm money IRL 😆

[arctic jewel]

a very good lesson

[arctic jewel]

oh btw, won't Moran burst before RH? or am I missing something?

[gaunt pulsar]

nah you right, just missed

[arctic jewel]

if that's the case, then I feel confident in slow Cindy

[gaunt pulsar]

pretty late here

[arctic jewel]

hahaha, no worries, it's the same for me xD

[restive heart]

@tropic summit i realized KING is not the only spender.

this ISSAC guy too spends. he hasnt spent too much gem on me. but i did backread jhasu post. it seems he is KING’s disciple. following the ways of his master

[upbeat dock]

just wait until ISSAC and KING start trading hits with each other

They'll fund Nikke 2

[restive heart]

fr fr

huh…..

a f2p players spends gems….

[glad meteor]

Makima simp

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-jarvis-gif-10906314711093285582

[slim hedge]

Yep I also mentioned days ago that I had that Isaac guy attack me like 15 times in one day, but unlike King he never managed to break defense

Also I took down King from first place, figured you would do it but it has been several hours already

Or nevermind based on your screenshot I guess you did take him down, but then he came back again

[restive heart]

shii traffic right now and luckily i have mobile data and i can check nikke

[umbral crown]

[livid marsh]

Where is that? India?

[slim hedge]

More likely something like the Philippines

[subtle sluice]

[restive heart]

philippines

[umbral crown]

A biker nikke player

[restive heart]

[restive heart]

[rich quail]

Imagine if those were all nikke pvp accounts

https://tenor.com/view/freak-out-shocked-afraid-overload-gif-15636880

[dense kindle]

That was tough edit ngl

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit you around?

[leaden canyon]

nvm

[tropic summit]

the mafia against you soon to be born

[tropic summit]

pve g0on

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gigachad-13

surprising ppl at your synchro still doesn't run 11CS% team wide

free siren food

[restive heart]

i should 11cs my noise and noah soon

[rich quail]

My Biscuit is 3%cs

[thin perch]

Assuming I have every unit except for Ada Wong, what would be one of the best sp arena teams?

[rich quail]

[tropic summit]

pick 3 teams from here that use your most invested units, prefer 2RL and 2.5RL, ideally teams that involved vestiTU and SWHA

#pvp-arena message

[thin perch]

I picked the Snow White and Vesti top teams but I’m not sure what to do with the leftovers

[tropic summit]

post your box with units ordered by strength, or your blabla link set to public

[covert lintel]

He prioritizes cp padding over cs 11

[thin perch]

I’ve given many units like helm Jackal vesti the high charge speed required to increase there speed

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmt rh emilia
• noise siren swha drakeT noah
• jackal vestiTU blanc centi laplaceT

[thin perch]

I’m working on building liberalio I regret not trying to get more copies

[tropic summit]

yeah you can use her on attack teams, would be handy having her

[thin perch]

Oh yeah my Emilia has 28% charge speed

It took like 300+ rocks though lmao

[restive heart]

bruh it took me like 30+ rocks to 25% emilia

[restive heart]

hmm can i see your emilia OL stats?

cuz the calculation of chargespeed is kinda different

[thin perch]

Or wait maybe I’m thinking of the wrong number I’ll show it one sec

[restive heart]

sure sure

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-dorothy-pipe-bomb-gif-4643514375044855612

[restive heart]

[thin perch]

Check it

[thin perch]

Then the level 7 adjudant cube ofc

[restive heart]

yep youre good. wow noice

[restive heart]

you can try this if you want

[thin perch]

I think it took me about a year to get these rolls

[restive heart]

bro is 100% commited in pvp

[thin perch]

Yeah I don’t play solo raid

So my investment has been 90% pvp 10% campaign pushing

[restive heart]

[restive heart]

the commitment

[glad meteor]

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/brainrot-edging-goon-never-never-goon-gif-13555818991647572888

[rich quail]

https://tenor.com/view/animal-brown-check-complete-dachshund-gif-5350816446238318239

[wind kelp]

How what did i do to boop this team?

[swift mango]

just indom Vesti it, add Siren to stun Noah. Doesn't need to be 2rl, 3rl is fine.

[tropic summit]

following up on what blood said, you can run

jackal vestiTU blanc siren swha

the above assumes you're not on deficit and vestiTU and SWHA are linked, or at least whoever is linked with vestiTU has more HP

e.g. if vestiTU AND SWHA linked, SWHA more HP than vestiTU
or if vestiTU and siren linked, siren more HP than vestiTU

[wind kelp]

Tried one of those, but i am like 150k or so below cp, and it's random at ebst if i won. I'll give those tesams a go.

[tropic summit]

you need 1051k CP to avoid penalty

[wind kelp]

Doable then, i'll give the swol jackal team a go later, shouldn't do rookie now anyway. LAst minute ranking! 😄

[spring jetty]

Hi all any tips to build new team for sp arena? Or recommend which unit to invest next? Sadly i don't have vesti. Thanks

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmt rh emilia
• jackal s.anis blanc centi laplaceT
• noise siren swha noir noah

in T2, once you've vestiTU, replace s.anis with her

[spring jetty]

Thanks!

[severe dawn]

Hello, is Shotgun team a solid DEF team? I like Viper and happen to read a post using this Shotgun team in DEF, he says this 3 teams are hard to deal with 🤗

[wind kelp]

Gona be interesting to see if Centi or Moran go on top of fav item farming list. Everyone is "maxed out" so

[gaunt pulsar]

full-on shotgun team is easy to break but using sg in def can be fine, if you really just wanna use viper somewhere you could replace laplacet with viper in vesti indom, it will still keep team at 2rl but will allow you to create p5 pressure and will make anyone trying to create slower indom agains't you having tougher time, and lapt can be moved somewhere else

[restive heart]

ehh that team its not really hard to deal…. also sg def kinda meh.

[tropic summit]

that SG team isn't just SG team but has some early pressure via nayuta and rosanna, although it needs to sacc to be decent
that's a CA team not an SP arena team, so i'd suggest you don't use it, it's weaker on SP arena

[restive heart]

unless your enemy brain is like KING where dont know how to counter.

[tropic summit]

ye or they run a squishy wind code in p5

[severe dawn]

What is Vesti indom?

[severe dawn]

What does “sacc” mean? 😅

[tropic summit]

this is an example of indom, blanc B2 gives 10s to a unit to prevent them from falling below 1 hp

[tropic summit]

sacc means to sacrifice a unit, be it on enemy or your own side, as both will procc with rosanna kit to give you burst gen

[gaunt pulsar]

your team 2 is vesti indom, i hope so. it means that she gets indom from blanc burst and lives for 10sec while wiping enemy

[severe dawn]

Thank you 😇👍

[gaunt pulsar]

If you gonna make team 2, because it seems like someone suggested them to you - make sure to check that VestiTU has lowest hp in the team and is linked through jackal, hp you can check just through game in their profiles, and link you can check by running that team in union shooting range and looking who has Jumping Jackal buff, if it's helm and vesti - all good

[tropic summit]

furthermore, conditions to indom @severe dawn :

• unit has lowest HP in the team when blanc B2 casts
• if running with jackal, the units with highest atk% will be linked, the lowest HP between these linked units will likely be picked for indom

in your specific case of jackal blanc vestiTU laplaceT helmT, jackal and laplaceT are assumed to have more HP than vestiTU

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit new cube bro

[gaunt pulsar]

true

[tropic summit]

what does it do?

[hollow lagoon]

Didn’t say

Please be negetive ammmmo

[north brook]

Ah we def both need and can use more cubes easily

[hollow lagoon]

Lel I spent my union raid token already

[restive heart]

[gaunt pulsar]

so we have wingman for ammo+ and third wheel for ammo down?

[hollow lagoon]

Yes please

[north brook]

Im just buffing tempering until its maxed

Guess ammo down would be funny but im not sure they would make that, mbe it would also have reload

Resil usually mandatory otherwise

For last bullet units

[tropic summit]

considering the timing and the units coming, maybe it will boost true dmg

[hollow lagoon]

[gaunt pulsar]

my thought too, expect something with true dmg, but probably wont be

[hollow lagoon]

Still no kits

Tf

[gaunt pulsar]

dripfeeding content

[hollow lagoon]

I feel like imma skip the passs skins

Unless it gibs good frames

[tropic summit]

what do you mean you gonna skip...? the game needs your money, who's gonna give them money to keep the servers up and running

[hollow lagoon]

I’ll get mast gatcha

[spiral onyx]

We have kits for the new units already?

[north brook]

Only concept

At least one says its buffer so mbe ill actually have gear

The goddamn 12? abnormals with 1 def 1 sup and 10 attacker screwed gearing them

[tropic summit]

nope, still nothin', gotta sit patiently

[rustic sandal]

Wow. Such originality in Defense that they definitely took from me.

LMAO Red Hood was eating HelmT burst.

This time it's SWHA that ate it.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/omni-man-invincible-2

it's a whole new level when the opponent copies the teams from the guy who has the least pvp oriented box though

[rustic sandal]

Ye. I was whooping their asses.

SPA though, different story.

DIA 3 at worst. DIA 1 at best.

I've already grown numb to it. At least I got a 1 week headstart staying in CH3.

[gaunt pulsar]

singlehandedly confuses opponents that noah/blanc/bisc/jackal also don't exist on their accounts and that -less setup is better

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/here-we-go-again-C5x

[tropic summit]

yuki playing the best 4D chess game, he just doesn't know yet

once he unlocks those units enemies won't know what hit them

[rustic sandal]

To be fair, I stayed and fought through CH3 for a week. It got worse when they realized how easy it was to actually beat me. I was fending off 4 attackers. Too much. Didn't wanna waste too much gems.

I fought 3 whales ffs.

[rustic sandal]

Hmm yes. He uses these units and always wins. I should use them as well even though the reason why I'm winning is because they're semi min maxed and usually just brute forces their way through fights.

Definition of unga bunga.

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/garou-one-punch-man-season-3-s3-anime-gif-17041775056584850828

[brazen salmon]

gems again

[umbral crown]

Both gemming, both cooking

[brazen salmon]

nah i attack during 3.59

[tropic summit]

and yet, in your bracket

https://klipy.com/gifs/palla-deserto

[hardy bison]

https://prnt.sc/oobFEbfgloZO https://prnt.sc/Digo8fSxc7zG I truly don't understand how people make annoying team.

@tropic summit Can you help me out?

[tropic summit]

you need to beat the above?

[hardy bison]

Both

[tropic summit]

both are rookie teams ye?

[hardy bison]

yup

Too many copy cats now with these teams

[tropic summit]

for T2, vestiTU is assumed linked, so run that team in shooting range first to check links

if she's unlinked, you can sub swha for helmT

else you can also run

jackal vestiTU blanc centi swha/helmT and take away RH from the equation, should retain lethal

[hollow lagoon]

They ask @tropic summit

[oak smelt]

You are getting it good man, try 9 different attackers in one day.
I don't think i have been targeted so much since the reshuffle

[hardy bison]

Team 1 not so much, team 2 works.

[hollow lagoon]

They got Cindy p1 why not 1RL nuke for great profit

[tropic summit]

what happened in T1? can take the slow cindy route in case

blanc midhara biscuit cindy rumani

if midhara isn't your highest atk%, run RH/ein/alice instead

also confirm you're not in CP deficit when running those teams

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit you think this is a workable team? or am i being pepega?

[tropic summit]

you don't run indom against nayuta + RH 2RL

it's direct countering it

jackal is iron code, nayuta is wind code, nayuta B2 on 2RL also happens before blanc applies indom

= your link gets nuked, on ele weakness and before blanc B2

[marble saddle]

ok lemme try something else

[marble saddle]

can you please explain what this graph means then?

[tropic summit]

it means when nayuta burst goes off

at 208 frames

[hardy bison]

Sort of 50/50, tried a few but lost 3/5. Not sure why. Noah and Snow survived. Not sure why.

[marble saddle]

an blanc will fail to indom cause the frame is too close?

[tropic summit]

ok it means your vestiTU dies to SWHA offburst before you're lethal, run slow cindy for consistency

[tropic summit]

blanc has delay, nayuta is instant

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit what about this? or does it not have any sustain so ill die to nayuta?

[tropic summit]

scarlet will die to 2RL B2

[marble saddle]

hmmm........

then my other options are rossana comp or cindy thicc comp

[restive heart]

its been a long time ive seen that name

“Zlaw”

[marble saddle]

ive had stuff going on in real life

[restive heart]

welcome back bruv ❤️

[marble saddle]

ty.

@restive heart you can tell i havent done my pvp cooking correctly

[tropic summit]

way to deals with that:

assuming opponent isn't running 11CS% team wide, thus having B2 siren weak:

• noah biscuit siren vestiTU helmt (force enemy to B2 with noah, then outDPS them with a DPS B3 (vesti or SWHA), vestiTU is assumed 5%CS+

assuming opponent is running 11CS% team wide, thus having B2 siren resistant:

• noah biscuit lib helmt noise (let opponent nayuta B2, you'll facetank safely via noise, let lib wipe all the enemy team minus nayuta, you'll auto her once she's out of indom)

[marble saddle]

im gonna make a sheet

[hardy bison]

The Midhara set up worked, won every fight and each copy cat. Thanks. But that said, can you help me with 2 more teams?

[restive heart]

@slim hedge imma attack you to grab king spot

[tropic summit]

sure go ahead

[marble saddle]

anything i missed?

[tropic summit]

sure looks good

[versed mesa]

Ah yes my favorite Nikke Liberairo

[hardy bison]

https://prnt.sc/uEIleJkEeLft https://prnt.sc/Wna-WpwXyJvr Top one does have a nice CP and level difference between me. Bottom is a wild card on defense but I just want to beat

[marble saddle]

ty.
i realized i cant remember all the pvp intricacies cause real life and other games. so i need a reference so i dont always fumble around

[restive heart]

[tropic summit]

both suffer against the same counter, indom DPS

notably, on T1 don't use a water code in p5, you've to eat s.anis elec code pallets

T2 you can run w/e flex in p5

(SWHA/helmT)

[glad meteor]

Vesti emi a2, triple p1-3 attacking rls

[glad meteor]

No ada

[restive heart]

shii i lost KEKW

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-dog-brian-dog-cooked-wallahi-im-finished-cooked-dog-gif-1849480349705279416

[tropic summit]

you gave king a win?

or was it night's?

if it's king he's gonna be wet if he sees that

[hardy bison]

My Centi is still being worked (low on mats atm) so if this doesn't work what else can I try?

[tropic summit]

clip RL burst gen tier is enough, it can be emilia/laplaceT/SWHA/trina/rumani

[restive heart]

its night

[marble saddle]

Holy Libera

[tropic summit]

oh then no biggie, imagine if you lost against king

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderation-ban-mod-ban-gif-9351874248631360646

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-give-it-to-me-now-gif-6486247

My rolls just give me charge speed on characters that don't use it

[restive heart]

this is freaking embarassing…….

@tropic summit

i got hit by skill issue

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit vestiTU RH helmT

no need to overthink with indom

deny lifesteal with invulnerable p1 and outDPS

[restive heart]

whats the counter on jackal-vesti-maiden-blanc-emilia?

i did moran-noah-helm-sw-noise and won

[tropic summit]

same speed or slower indom but with higher fire rate

jackal blanc scarlet biscuit helmT

[restive heart]

OG scarlet right?

[tropic summit]

ye SBS has slow fire rate

OG scarlet is rifle (AR) fire rate

[restive heart]

replacement on biscuit?

[tropic summit]

then change approach on the other 2 teams

if you need biscuit on 2 teams, you doing something wrong

against vestiTU xmaiden and emi splash you need an indom that survives to burst

[restive heart]

@tropic summit what do u think?

[tropic summit]

another take against their indom is to nayuta + rosanna

nayuta trina ros jackal helmT (rosanna assumed linked)

[restive heart]

we ball ts?

[tropic summit]

wow you're running that against slow cindy?

[restive heart]

imma take note of this

[glad meteor]

[restive heart]

thats rando team. im thinking of t1 and t2

lemme try it @tropic summit imma spend gems for testing

[glad meteor]

Can work if ros dispel nayu

[tropic summit]

i'd run this either way (if emi is too invested, bench her for laplace to avoid invulnerable on cindy)

[glad meteor]

But too slow better if more speed

[hardy bison]

No luck on either, I think it's the CP differences that's holding them up. With Team 1 most of my characters die before burst.

[tropic summit]

don't bother running them if you're on deficit, multiply enemy CP for 0.846

if your team CP is lower than that value, don't even try

[hardy bison]

Oh well, I'll stay in 3rd 🙃

[restive heart]

imma do this tommorow

[hardy bison]

Thanks for the help

[restive heart]

did spend 200 today and messed up.

[tropic summit]

unlike someone else, you'll learn from mistakes

it's all part of the journey

[hexed dragon]

can anyone help me on fixing my current defense in SPA?

here's my current list

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmt rh noir
• jackal swha blanc anchorIM RRH
• noah biscuit vestiTU siren ada

Notes:

• consider getting laplace treasured on medium term
• build up utilities, noah, biscuit, centi, rumani, trina, noise
• finish doll on SWHA

[hexed dragon]

thanks a lot, sir

https://tenor.com/view/hanamaru-kindergarten-anime-hiiragi-blue-eyes-blue-hair-gif-17172184

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/office-doro

[restive heart]

asking why you run those teams on t2 against vesti?

[tropic summit]

ros + nayuta are lethal pre 2RL blanc B2 on enemy side

you'll have at best xmaiden indom or misindom on jackal to deal with afterward

which nayuta and the rest of the team will easily deal against

[restive heart]

oooh interesting

[tropic summit]

you also get free burst gen from trina's death in p2 which makes you slightly faster 2RL aswell, so that's healthy added bonus

enemy may even whiff if they kill her too fast

and they've 3 heavy splashers that work exceptionally well for that

[restive heart]

DAMNN YOURE A GENIUS @tropic summit thanks!

[tropic summit]

triple?

[restive heart]

also sorry @slim hedge for attacking you

[restive heart]

yessir that t2 so lethal wtfp

[restive heart]

did laplace thos instead of emila

dont wanna risk it

[tropic summit]

ye a good choice, your emi if too stronk could pop invulnerable on cindy, that'd be bad

[hexed dragon]

damn, back to challenger
thanks a lot, rail
again

[restive heart]

now im done

any def recommendation @tropic summit ?

[tropic summit]

had no doubt you'd 3/3 king alone

[restive heart]

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

your defs were good looking already, you probably got some left to rotate with no?

[restive heart]

i think my brain is fried atm

i think imma use your atk teams. hopefuly it will work

[tropic summit]

hmmmm they're kinda tailored teams not good on def imo

let's speed up at least T3 and use a different main B3

[hollow lagoon]

Just run Unairu armor strip and then shoot the Torid into it… oh wait

[restive heart]

my def team kinda…. lil bit sus

[tropic summit]

remind me you've bayT?

[restive heart]

yes

[hollow lagoon]

P1 Noah is bold

Defense sg also bold

[restive heart]

aint no proble if you have 11 cs but tbh kinda bold tho

[restive heart]

ca team

[hollow lagoon]

Oh 11 cs ur one of thous

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-hyper-chicken-extra-risky-strategy-risky-strategy-gif-4995473

[tropic summit]

this should be evil enough

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-rice-fried-rice-gif-15126117275146411567

[restive heart]

aight thank you so much

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sora-cooking

[hollow lagoon]

Nayuta rosana rail is almost embracing the evil, too bad u didn’t sacc a Emma into it

[tropic summit]

keeping it for the rainy days

[shell hazel]

tentycat would approve

[hollow lagoon]

The day u sacc Emma into rosa is the day you fully fall tot he derk side

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yamada-kun-to-lv999-no-koi-wo-suru-my-love-story-with-yamada-kun-at-lv999

[hollow lagoon]

But man 2 iron units and I didn’t even invest Eve

[tropic summit]

i've to make a decision this coming SR

invest Raven
invest Eve
invest Bmilk

and i'm leaning toward raven...

[hollow lagoon]

I have a useable Bmilk and Raven

[tropic summit]

bmilk needs your wrist to die tho

[hollow lagoon]

1atk 3 ele raven and a 2 ele Bmilk

[river dune]

@tropic summit @swift mango TYVM 🙏

[hollow lagoon]

I tried to kill my wrist and I don’t do much better so I just let her auto