pvp-arena

[swift mango]

My helm gonna core +7 soon

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor @swift mango how far realistically can lib with crown buff + RH buff wipe an enemy team on deficit? is 35-40% still doable?

and would blanc buff actually do more than crown buff

[swift mango]

Why not add SW/Helm buff while you are at this. You need them for the team to burst fast enough anyway

[tropic summit]

enemy team is dis

they are only B1 and only p1 and p5 damage, i guess RRH could get 1 AoE going though

the most buffed version i can think of is this?

blanc + rh + crown

[swift mango]

Your p1-2-3 would die with that one aoe.

[tropic summit]

yeah figured i guess lib gotta stay p4

which means bye rh

well i can hit the whel once i go to 541 or 561 which is only a few weeks away

[glad meteor]

Depends, i think i used double buff cindy at 30-35%

Didn’t exactly full nuke but did win

[tropic summit]

with who did you buff her?

blanc and RH?

[glad meteor]

Blanc rh maybe

[tropic summit]

would that actually hit harder than lib on crown and RH buff?

[glad meteor]

Idk

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

well lib has fb bonus

[glad meteor]

Technically if lib reloads when you burst. You can give her miranda guaranteed crit buff right

Team would need to be slow as hell though

[gaunt pulsar]

i dont think it would work? doesn't miranda buff for "rounds" only? so ammo only not "tidal waves"

[tropic summit]

that'd be wild, sort of like you do it with emilia

but ye as lomarion says it doesn't probably qualify as an actual round

[dawn gorge]

Does there exist a general normal arena attack team?

[glad meteor]

It works for ein s2

But you need to cover or hold the shot. Like with mihara ada in sr

[tropic summit]

there's no wildcard team that can beat ANY team, although there's generic teams that can beat most teams

the most no brain ones being noah-biscuit archetypes or indom archetypes involving vestiTU and/or SWHA

here's an example of said archetypes

[swift mango]

Try
Moran+Bay+Biscuit+Helm+SW

[dawn gorge]

Thank you guys

[shell hazel]

@dim escarp completed the hard mode at 565 sync

[tropic summit]

so i'm not too far off?

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

whel cores though

[restive heart]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

ok then it means at 601 maybe

[shell hazel]

how many cores you got jaw?

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

the lad really has unlimited wallet uh

[swift mango]

For 1 month.

[tropic summit]

synchro 600-621 we can finally EoS

[glad meteor]

I’m 563 or something

[tropic summit]

almost end of the journey kara

[dawn gorge]

What cubes does team 2 use?

[glad meteor]

Prob need 621

[tropic summit]

quantum jackal
any swha
blanc vigor/temper
centi quantum
laplaceT vigor

[dawn gorge]

Thank you

[tropic summit]

just 100-120 synchro levels more

[shell hazel]

snow white just broke the end game 😄

[dim escarp]

Ziz was just the harder part cuz you can't pass sync 560 if you have not max core attacker, so my Mihara couldn't, I did it with Rapi / SWHA (max core)
Then for the 2 next chapter it's way more easier, chap 42 boss is not that hard if you got a good SW / Doro

[shell hazel]

yeah I don't think I can follow lead there my SW is just MLB

but... 581 prob?

[dim escarp]

like let me find something

[glad meteor]

Damn. Hippos not whaling enough

[tropic summit]

"just MLB"... these ppl standards are wild

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

😄

I don't whale as hard as I could no

doesn't seem worth it I'll just wait more sync

[restive heart]

imma confuse him with this shii team

[tropic summit]

lmao what in the world, if he loses against that...

[dim escarp]

That's how they tank the ult at max core, so yeah it's clearly impossible at this sync if you don't have max core attacker

[swift mango]

Well, my SW is also just MLB but your SW probably Core +7 before my SW core+2.

[restive heart]

its literally the most total shi team i used and he still lost

[tropic summit]

lovely the entire team hanging to their dear life like no tomorrow

[dim escarp]

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Just waited for 10 year at this same synch while level up your research.

[ancient sun]

I need help against these teams. I never dealt with tlaplace and bay before. Is there anything I should consider when building counter teams?

[tropic summit]

whenever opponent is running liberalio on def, he's actually helping you

liberalio nuke takes around 1RL to land, meaning you can run a noah 1RL slower and pad it out as needed

[tropic summit]

as for the SWHA team, bay + biscuit can counter liberalio nuke and nukes that have overflow, but will do poorly against DPS

[ancient sun]

in this case we are dealing with cp deficit, I probably can only make one team to match cp

2nd one for cp padding?

[tropic summit]

fighting teams with moran + noah and biscuit + rosanna on deficit is gonna be fun

good luck

[ancient sun]

welp there is also this option (but this is always cp deficit xdd)

[tropic summit]

ye your best option is a noah + biscuit archetype with vestiTU/SWHA and one indom team

you'll need blanc to do something against moran

the other team you could still wipe with a strong indom B3, but you gotta survive

[ancient sun]

siren + lib can work too?

[ancient sun]

for moran noah

[tropic summit]

you've to use siren in p2

and there's a laplaceT on deficit

[ancient sun]

what laplace does?

[tropic summit]

meaning siren either gotta be linked or very thicc

[tropic summit]

heavy splash dmg on p1 and p2

[ancient sun]

siren is invested but I need to confirm cp ratio

[ancient sun]

I can use sac two high attack units for rosa and use cindy as nuke. Can she kill with good rng?

[shell hazel]

yup that won't fly haha

[gaunt pulsar]

she can, but depending against whom, both matches are bad for that on high deficit, because if bay bursts she keeps bisc protection and everyone else only gets 15% of dmg while she gets 40% which is in invul

[ancient sun]

15% this is insane. I can see why she can deal with lib nuke

[tropic summit]

if you're less than 15,4% it's still doable

[ancient sun]

This is the guy we cracked yesterday btw. He changed his teams xdd @gaunt pulsar

[tidal lichen]

[gaunt pulsar]

lowest i've done with cindy is 25% cp deficit, but that's against slow mishmash of a team with no protection, so she definitely can, just doesn't really like dr/invul/heal on enemy side

[gaunt pulsar]

what's your deficit on him and his cp, and his 3rd team at that

[tropic summit]

[ancient sun]

soda carry

[tropic summit]

at least their indom is a slow fire one

s.anis/scarlet will win the indom duel

[ancient sun]

neither are invested

[tropic summit]

as for enemy T2, he can run a 3RL noah padded team

[tropic summit]

RRH can do aswell although you've to avoid deficit

T1 need 477k
T2 need 447k
T3 need 453k

[gaunt pulsar]

should both be doable, t2 and t3, cp doesn't look that bad, just have to change few things

[versed mesa]

So I managed to hold C2 overnight for over 13 hours, despite having given up on SP arena for this shuffle

[ancient sun]

let me cook some teams and I will get back

[tropic summit]

oh slow cindy on T1 and noah biscuit / indom vesti on T2 ye i can see this

[versed mesa]

Hit it and leave it is going to be my strat

[ancient sun]

slow cindy without midhara?

[tropic summit]

cindy alone will wipe whole team in T1 and you'll inevitably last longer as they're 2RL

[swift mango]

How is your CA result? Why aren't you showing?

[tropic summit]

wdym i already said i stopped at qualifiers yesterday

@swift mango

[versed mesa]

Bench gang!

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gigachad-13

[versed mesa]

I'm using my break from pvp to replay RE4R and then do Separate Ways for the first time before Requiem comes out

[swift mango]

So are you getting to CA or nah?

[glad meteor]

Bench

https://tenor.com/view/pjmhobi-gif-25434487

[swift mango]

5 minutes before dead reports

[tropic summit]

my spirit is the same as the past seasons, if it works good, if it doesn't i don't miss out on anything

that gamemode doesn't reward effort or experience, just how many rocks you willing to sink and good RNG

[ancient sun]

472k, this is the best I can do

[swift mango]

I mean, are you c1-4 this season?

[tropic summit]

oh ye ofc

[fathom rock]

Can't be me

[tropic summit]

traded 1 whale for another, rest of the bracket is the same

[fathom rock]

Traded 2 f2p for 1 whale and 1 guy who's 10 chapters behind bc he a pvp only guy

Honestly good competition

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown

[ancient sun]

also probably 5RL since alice and biscuit die eventually

[tropic summit]

reminds me of someone

[swift mango]

Only possible in Global I guess

[fathom rock]

No it is not rosy and that guy is noah less or something

Also like 0 CA record

[lunar pawn]

furthest I got in CA

[swift mango]

[covert lintel]

Nice, He copied my team after using gems
Now i can learn something new

[fathom rock]

On rookie ?

[swift mango]

It's me at 0.95 year into the game.

[covert lintel]

Yeah

[lunar pawn]

nice

[fathom rock]

People and their ego smh

On rookie

[tropic summit]

s.anis indom, what is this 2025?

used to work better when nero moran and moran noah wasn't as common

[swift mango]

Who did you copy?

Amongst those bettor pic teams

[lunar pawn]

think like the 1st or 2nd team I saw in LD's server

setup I mean

[shell hazel]

vote was really against me lol

like 25/75 against me so a lot of people voted wrong anyway

[lunar pawn]

this means I'll be the attacker right?

[shell hazel]

yeah left or top is attacker

[lone sequoia]

most of the people who got nero/moran after CA still don't know that you can double taunt sanis

[eager brook]

Lost 2/3 due to positioning in CA. Just RNG as usual

[lunar pawn]

thoughts? bottom is attacker

[swift mango]

Opponent team was pretty shit but my team this CA also shit.

Let's see how many shit teams would I met before my end

[restive heart]

BRO HOW ARE YOU LOSING??? LIKE I PUT A WORST DEFENSE TEAM AND STILL LOST??!!!

LIKE HOLY SHIIII BRO

[lone sequoia]

A/B (no rosanna and only 1 b2... depends in how strong are the SGs) i didn't notice they don't have rosanna...
A
A/B (probably A, depends in how strong is scar)
A/B (probably A...cs and dmg, not sure of lib team speed)
A i think vesti is in rage to kill noah p2

[restive heart]

@tropic summit i cant defend this guy anymore

he is beyond salvation bro

[lunar pawn]

what does b a mean

[swift mango]

Thank fk they put Cindy slot 2 or I would have lost

[lone sequoia]

to me is top/left, ATK on the left and DEF on the right- A left (ATK), B right (DEF)

it could be easier with D... but it is what it is

[umbral belfry]

yay bullying

[lone sequoia]

the pie is strong there

[lunar pawn]

hope you're right again

[woven acorn]

Can someone help me build teams for Rookie and Special Arena? I think my team is outdated.

[lone sequoia]

i could be wrong, since i don't know the cp of the units

[lunar pawn]

his noah is pretty stacked, unsure about sg team, but Idk if laplace will leave to shoot a 2nd time

my laplace in question, and my tvesti team

[umbral belfry]

🥧

[lunar pawn]

can cindy kill with her nuke with noise+bay+jackal?

[lone sequoia]

mmm about cindy-lib match, i'm not sure about rumani cs and lib delay speed, if rumani burst lib lose, but if she land the nuke first cindy lose (R5)

[lunar pawn]

yea Idk either about lib delay

[umbral belfry]

by herself? unlikely. with mihara and cindy? yes

[lone sequoia]

pre-burst dmg to destroy bay cover, noise+bay tank a lot and laplace is their only unit that hit hard if both teams are 2RL (vesti cs+feed) you can tank cindy burst

[lunar pawn]

mostly wondering about this one

[covert lintel]

Rosajack scar right?

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

yeah you're good (if you're the vesti). cindy won't be able to break through bay's cover

[lone sequoia]

the vesti bay is more about a cs check if your team is 2.5RL instead of 2RL

[lunar pawn]

awesome

[umbral belfry]

[lone sequoia]

both cindy and bay burst have delay

[covert lintel]

pray for the champion again

[lunar pawn]

do we know how much delay lib has on her nuke?

[covert lintel]

Mine just lucky

[umbral belfry]

[gaunt pulsar]

lib? 1s

[lone sequoia]

i don't know, i don't like lib or nayuta and never test those units in rookie

[lunar pawn]

I was a bit generous with the emilia and maiden lines, team might be 3RL

I'll check the previous match replay

[swift mango]

Nah my team too shit it would be a miracle.

[placid bloom]

It’s more than 1s, I think closer to like 1.3s

[lunar pawn]

should be enough time to blanc indom then, right?

[tiny scroll]

Same for me. Had 81% vote against me, but I sweep. I think at this point most people just sheep it and don't even look at the teams anymore.

[placid bloom]

.5 RL diff definitely safe, I don’t quite remember if 1 RL diff safe

[gaunt pulsar]

it's exactly 1s, but if you check your own videos it would be higher because there is a dead period for 22f or 0,36s because of yellow "full burst" text, but it's only visible to you when you burst, time doesn't actually stop

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

People look at commander levels only and 9 times out of 10 they go based off that alone vs actual teams I swear

[lunar pawn]

if 0.5RL is safe why wouldn't 1RL be safe

[placid bloom]

I don’t remember if 3 RL B2 catches 2 RL Lib

Probably does

[swift mango]

Second time this happened to me. But it's still suck.

[tiny scroll]

Yep I think so too. Just level, and maybe previous season.

[lunar pawn]

does nikke work have the timer for the lib nuke?

[placid bloom]

No but you can change timeline to seconds

[covert lintel]

5sg power

[gaunt pulsar]

at exactly 2rl lib sends her burst at 4s, and lands it at 5, 3rl noah still catches it slightly early

you need to be sub 2rl and noah needs to be exactly 3rl to miss it, which is uncommon this days i would say

[tulip quest]

guys

Rossana dispelling Nayuta's indom

[lone sequoia]

it happens

same with noah/biscuit if atk priority

[umbral belfry]

shouldn't have made nayu 2nd highest attack

[tulip quest]

Fight ended 6 seconds

so no Nayuta Indom shud be 9 seconds if indom activated

[tulip quest]

Can you even control that with his comp I doubt

[lunar pawn]

so more or less a 2RL lib lands nuke at 3.1RL

[tulip quest]

His nayuta must be jacked with atk rolls

[ancient sun]

1. 464k 2) 486k hmm siren gets cooked here? If I put RH I am 3-4k behind 477k which triggers deficit @tropic summit @gaunt pulsar

[umbral belfry]

with that comp? technically yes with high atk rapu or maaaaybe cindy? but should you reroll atk off nayu? no

[tulip quest]

First time I saw Nayuta dispelled

[placid bloom]

It’s 3 defender comp

Or was Rapu supp

[swift mango]

@rich ledge You will fight our bracket first ever champ.

[placid bloom]

I forgot

[umbral belfry]

you would have to redo most of the team vs rosa basically so nayu isn't dispelled

[tulip quest]

Rossana was gangsta in that fight XD

Well she is lore wise

[gaunt pulsar]

at ~4.1 because bursts take time to press for around 1rl

[rich ledge]

Yes I saw that I don't have a good feeling haha

[umbral belfry]

[lunar pawn]

that's quite the delay

[rich ledge]

After that there's still Wong below

[tulip quest]

I was 70 - 30 losing bet but got 4-1 win XD

[lunar pawn]

let me record his last match, need help figuring out whether his team is actually 2.5RL or 3RL

[gaunt pulsar]

no sec, it's exactly 4rl, maybe 3.95 lol, was looking at wrong thing, still long yea

[tulip quest]

i was sad n voted for myself was 100 - 0 at first then tot gonna encourage myself XD

K so at least I know Nayuta can be dispelled XD

[swift mango]

@worldly osprey

My current bracket c3 did the thing I couldn't, beat that smol CN whale and you will fight him.
On the bottom left is also my bracket C1.

[gaunt pulsar]

cannot gurantee it would work, but i was planning to do somethng like this for t2, t3, can check if it's in range, link on siren isn't needed, left over from some stuff I was pressing* just need to achieve lib indom

[lunar pawn]

2.5 or 3

[lone sequoia]

cindy p2,probably 2RL

[leaden canyon]

I forget, can a b1 be siren stunned in a 2.5?

[onyx scaffold]

no rosanna. no b2

[lunar pawn]

right, small detail

does nikke top take into consideration cindy p1 or p2 feeding?

[lone sequoia]

the question is... how much cs your rumani have?

you only need to burst rumani before lib land

[lunar pawn]

doesn't have any afaik

yea just checked, nada

[onyx scaffold]

impressive

[gaunt pulsar]

yes, unless you somewhere in between 2 and 2.5 , if it's true 2.5 then b1 is stunned

[swift mango]

Doesn't really matter if they can't burst when I can't too.

[lunar pawn]

rough

@somber egret are you my opp next?

[covert lintel]

Nozomu most likely lost cause of a bad match
Then no one will stop fahren

[unique mountain]

Skibidi

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit @swift mango

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

this is so cursed

[swift mango]

Someone else with stop him. Just need to give him a bad match up.

[covert lintel]

Nerose won once but idk about this time

[ancient sun]

1. 417k 2) 438k

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-toilet-creek-river-water-gif-18010679595940988269

[unique mountain]

When your Birthday

[swift mango]

Around 2nd round of treasure this year

[unique mountain]

Ok , happy birthday

[swift mango]

Thanks for the very early wish.

[gaunt pulsar]

how is t2 so low? isn't your bisc and jackal pretty close in cp? should be close to 470 #pvp-arena message considering pretty much the same team but with bisc in t2 is 470

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

@unique mountain check out this Moran solo if you didn't.

Whale level at it's fines

[ancient sun]

466k sorry. I am inputting from blablalink as it's not my account. I am confident about 1st team because noah has only 55k cp xdd

[unique mountain]

I wouldn't understand it

[hollow lagoon]

i still won and i had wrong cube on rumani, gee

aint even sr-5

[swift mango]

So you are the guy that got solo'ed

Fake whale

[onyx scaffold]

Rumani cube matters??

[hollow lagoon]

winning is winning, next time he can have fun dealing with my rumani on not healing cube

i thought that shit was vigor

[swift mango]

Time to raise your Moran then. She is getting treasure next

[tulip quest]

Give him Nitro

[unique mountain]

Yea if her kit pops off i will have no choice

[hollow lagoon]

Imagine having not sr-15 Moran in 2026

[unique mountain]

Waiting on new chapter creds , I'm poor af

[swift mango]

He still own me one nitro from last year.

[tulip quest]

Your ady 601? ur level progress too fast bruh

[unique mountain]

I owe u nothing , u didn't redeem it , I'm not gonna hold it

[hollow lagoon]

I opened boxes I wud saving

[swift mango]

Treasure doesn't cost credit.

[unique mountain]

OLs

[gaunt pulsar]

if this balances out to around 453, maybe noise seems pretty high in the box and cindy too, might negate cp drop from noah/bisc, also need to check cubes in game if someone missing pvp ones, because blabla shows cp with pve i'm pretty sure

[swift mango]

Good luck.

[ancient sun]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?openid=MjkwODAtMjMzMTg0MjM3NzA2MDUzMzc4Nw==

very behind. His weakness is noah, batteries cp, no rosanna, no moran invested

[torn obsidian]

let's see 🙂

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/red-hood-little-red-riding-hood-red-riding-hood-goddi-dance-gif-8341739530991880750

[swift mango]

I doubt it would change much but okay.

[hollow lagoon]

yeah it wont change much

just make me mroe likely to win moran stall with rumani stall

untill moran treasure comes out that is

and then when rumani treasure happen

[swift mango]

Nah, your Helm and Libby still died first. So Rumani would live a bit longer to deal 1 more dmg to Moran each RL

[hollow lagoon]

arena dont have infinity time, i just need to live with more hp vs the moran

[swift mango]

Good luCK with that

[lone sequoia]

DEF team win when the time runs out

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

what do you mean it already happened you just watched video proof

[swift mango]

Nah, the one with more HP win. SU already wrote it down, no?

[gaunt pulsar]

you would need to check in game, t2 should still be in range, t3 amounts to 445k, but might be fixable with cubes

[lone sequoia]

yeah, after the wins scam from the first 2 seasons

[swift mango]

Okay you were left with more HP and won. I thought Moran killed at the end.

[lone sequoia]

assist cube meta

[unique wagon]

Does Velvet ammo reduc minimum to 1 or?

[swift mango]

He would have won if the game gave him 5 more minutes.

[umbral crown]

[hollow lagoon]

[umbral crown]

Maybe they knew and went for loser frame

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-gif-16644513012642585936

[covert lintel]

You'll become champion if you can beat fahren this time

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

@tropic summit it's exactly 80 level difference now. But CP is still close. Only 20-21% deficit.
My small CN whale, first time in close to 2 year I separated with him.

In SpA

Bro did to map 39

[umbral crown]

Open your boxes and close the gap

[swift mango]

I could wait still new chapter. My current bracket lower guys can hit me but they got hit more so I'm kinda safe.

[glad meteor]

@tropic summit the team in action

[unique wagon]

Velvet ammo steal doesnt work in pvp

What

Its ALSO bugged

Bruh

That is a decorative flair

Lmao

[umbral crown]

[placid bloom]

flavor text effects

[hollow lagoon]

Overclock 1, not even 50

[swift mango]

C1 to C9 has CA record. Rank 13 also has CA record. This is the F2P bracket where everyone have some Arena investment but not much and synch level bad.

[noble hatch]

o7 to all well fought soldier

https://youtu.be/6gZ0yt7yDRg

It's okay, my Laevatain is cheering on me

https://youtu.be/s87ts7l83nI

[ancient sun]

welp. at least we geared noah to 70k

[unique wagon]

Wrong gem

[gaunt pulsar]

played a little differently in my head

[ancient sun]

mine too

[ancient sun]

If I kill Bay with nuke before biscuit invuln I think that is only way

[fathom rock]

Does bullets expended still carry over to next fight if siren is there

[gaunt pulsar]

cannot afford to make team so fast to do it, also need fast nuke for it which you dont really have also right, what i'm even saying, she is bisc protected anyway need stun for her to deny

[tidal lichen]

should happen on sp if they didnt fix

[umbral crown]

waos

[fathom rock]

Question is
Did they fix

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

There you go

[gaunt pulsar]

gonna cook different one for both 🍳

[fathom rock]

There loss

[umbral crown]

people are creative with names

[swift mango]

There names are creative

[umbral crown]

peaksolute still winning

his vesti died along with noah

[ancient sun]

What if I only use snipers so I don't dmg Bay?

[tidal lichen]

nayuta rumani bisc vesti siren to enemy swha
moran noah swha helm flex to enemy lib

or noise instead of moran works too ig

if moran isnt built

[onyx scaffold]

why couldn't i get easy win for once

[forest zodiac]

is rosanna dangerous in t1?
is my t3 too slow and needs clip rl? was putting SWHA on p1 as food for siren stun was a mistake (since jackal only b1)

[onyx scaffold]

it should be fine but u can run cinderella instead of vesti. rosanna will nuke helm but cindy will take revenge

then put vesti instead of scarlet in team 2

team 2 is bad. scar will take indom but she wont burst

[glad meteor]

Could technically just remove scarlet for b1-2

[tidal lichen]

just send a nayuta rumani bisc with 2 flexes to rosanna scarlet

2 flexes must have more atk than nayuta

[glad meteor]

Siren stuns sw and then she just bursts anyway

[onyx scaffold]

that is worse

scar bursting against noah shield

[tidal lichen]

thats why he said remove scarlet

[onyx scaffold]

i mean

it is worse than what i thought it was

[glad meteor]

[tidal lichen]

whats the other team

[glad meteor]

Whats wrong with it

[forest zodiac]

sorry, all three teams

so what do I do
t1: vesti - cindy
t3: put vesit instead of scar, with swha in p1?

[tidal lichen]

rumani nayuta bisc scarlet mihara
jack sanis lapt blanc draket
moran/noise noah vesti helm trina

[forest zodiac]

no lapt

[hollow lagoon]

t1 do a defender comp

t2 do a rapi indom

t3 slow cindy label version

[glad meteor]

doubt in label invest

[hollow lagoon]

he asked i answered

[tidal lichen]

i guess maiden also works instead of lapt but if the guy has like 15% cs on vesti you die

1 and 3 should still win

[forest zodiac]

okay I can give it a try

[tidal lichen]

scarlet and mihara must have more atk than nayuta

if no just change them with anything with higher atk than nayuta

@forest zodiac swap vesti with swha actually if you still didnt hit

[hollow lagoon]

@forest zodiac if you are brave enough

[forest zodiac]

I'll probably try attacking before reset

[gaunt pulsar]

Kricoun is right, but that t3 against swha wont work, at least i'm not seeing it considering speed and deficit of that team
but t2 you can make as he suggested with rh as flex/sub b1 in case we lose noise to tlaplace, which might happen, cp wise should be in range.
and t3 i would try indom, the problem is his rosa here, she might one tap vesti

[tidal lichen]

[forest zodiac]

thanks @tidal lichen

[tidal lichen]

[tidal lichen]

why not

snow wont survive long

[gaunt pulsar]

he loses vesti at beficit for sure before she could even b3, so that would be solo nayuta fight at deficit

[tidal lichen]

nvm youre talking about a diff matchup

[tidal lichen]

i thought u were talking about this

[ancient sun]

Okay we will try them out and I will get back to you

[tidal lichen]

shes not supposed to b3

shes there to chunk bisc and trigger bisc on bay

nayuta solos that team if bay doesnt burst

bisc dies during bay invinc so no second invinc

[gaunt pulsar]

yea, i get the idea, it's just that part that i've not experienced, and considering his 0% atk% nayuta i have my doubts you totally might be right though, it's just also at deficit so i wouldn't risk it

[hollow lagoon]

what bay i'm not seeing any bay

[marble saddle]

bay leaf

[tidal lichen]

yea 0% nayuta might be a bit problematic

[hollow lagoon]

#pvp-arena message

[marble saddle]

mmm smells like old spice

[hollow lagoon]

op 1 damage moran vs thicc af rumani

[umbral crown]

You still have a chance, trust the process

[hollow lagoon]

looks mostly infavor of ruki

or is it?

if their vesti dies as their lib gets ressed ur t2 is dead

if their vesti lives and take indom you are also dead

if their vesti lib and rapun all die you are good

if their rapunzel catch indom ur prob also good unless their lib burst in which case might be dead or you might not be

ur t3 likely dead

ur t1 likely w

ur t4... prob dead?

u need to yeet 3 defenders you might not have the time for it

t5 u likely w

[onyx scaffold]

exactly what i thought

[noble hatch]

o7

[plain kayak]

Your noah, ade moran OVL just have 4CS or full 12line?

[hollow lagoon]

No

lol

I have 8% ish

And prob 6lines

[lusty gull]

bay should not survive

[onyx scaffold]

praying

[gaunt viper]

no? I figured she would 🤔, what are the minimum and recommend investments for her for PVP?

[heady peak]

how do I build a defense team against him? this is me attacking.

I win 2/3 or 3/3

i'm pretty sure he's just spamming random ass units multiple times, I don't use a scarlet team any more.. because lol free loss. I'm thinking maybe I can stop his from stopping my noah burst if he's using siren on one of his teams with noise instead of rapunzel.

[restive heart]

maybe try this

[unkempt kestrel]

is this still true for vesti in pvp? I have 5.8 + 4.04 charge speed. Does that break any charge speed breakpoints or is it 15% only?

[heady peak]

do some of them need the charge cubes? i only have it at lvl 7. fully maxed for all the spaces.

[keen vapor]

What is what

[restive heart]

15% above

[unkempt kestrel]

The OL priority lines for vesti in pvp. This ss is from a reddit post when vesti first released.

[restive heart]

hmm not really. most of them are optimized just use what cubes you have

improvise

[unkempt kestrel]

priorities 15%+ cs first then ammo?

[restive heart]

yes.

15% gives huge additional burst gen

2RL - 7.8%
15%cs 2RL - 23.4%

[gaunt pulsar]

vesti does 4 shots
basic 0% cs vesti does 1 shot before 2RL and 3 after 2rl, it's close but not really 2rl
at 4% cs in position 3 4 5 her 2nd shot lands in 2rl timeframe
at 5% at any position
from 5% to 18% you get 3rd shot closer and closer to 2rl
at 21% cs you cross 3rd shot to be in 2rl territory, that's where it ends

[heady peak]

thanks. also the whole book thing next to their name... is that their ol lines being max chargespeed? or is that a fully booked specific skill?

[restive heart]

its their skill at max level

thats helm treasure s1 lvl 10

[restive heart]

how bout 25%cs?

[heady peak]

ok thanks.

[lunar pawn]

pretty sure tvesti starts at 8%

[gaunt pulsar]

doesnt do anything for her besides making her land 3 shots even faster 🤷‍♂️ i guess might be usefull once in your life

[lone sequoia]

3+atk and 2 cs first (+10%) and 1 ammo, you want 4atk+2ele at least and 2~3cs- 1~2ammo

[restive heart]

jokes aside tho. 25% only applicable from emilia if you want to hit 38% cspeed

4.63 + 5.51 + 5.8 + 5.8

4.63 round to 5
5.51 round to 6
5.8+5.8 = 11.6 rounds to 12
total of 23% cspeed

23 + adjutant lvl7 (2.12 or 2) = 25

25 + s1 10 (13) = 38% cspeed

[lone sequoia]

you can also just go full neutral dmg (4atk-crit rate- crit dmg)but depends on the comp and need at least 1 AoE sub dps with really good OL (high dmg emi or laplace)

[unkempt kestrel]

I have 2 att 2cs 0ammo 2 elem. I guess I should aim for an ammo line now? using bastian cube as well

[lone sequoia]

more atk

[unkempt kestrel]

ok reroll elem for att?

[lone sequoia]

the problem with cs and dmg is the team, the cs mark is just against siren stun or to reach 2RL
3+cs is to avoid siren stun on b2 p1, 2cs is enough for most of the 2RL comps (2nd vesti hit) if you want kill pressure to p1~p3 you need more atk or dmg

[lunar pawn]

I know I have my own vote, but holy

[unkempt kestrel]

will no ammo be detrimental for her performance?

[lone sequoia]

vesti is a good main dps and sub-dps with really high kill pressure pre-burst, you want 12/12 but for that you have to decide the stats and team you will use her, to me a more balanced vesti is better than heavy dmg or high speed

[lone sequoia]

yep, you will have less dmg against stall comps or you can lose indom fights during reload time

4atk-2ele-3cs-2ammo and crit rate is what i prefer

so if you reroll vesti aim for atk, cs or 1 ele dmg in 3rd line, to reroll for atk or cs 2nd line the same piece

[quick lake]

There’s diff builds for vesti. Have to figure out what u want from her

[unkempt kestrel]

ok i used like 50 rocks and got this

5.8 + 4.33 + 4.63 = 15cs if my math is correct.

3att
1amm
2elem
ima keep this for now.

i hope 48.39 ammo is enough for now or else ima reroll soon

[keen vapor]

Fifty

[quick lake]

its alright, more is nice. Better to focus on other units

reroll efficiently, and know what u’re aiming before rerolling

[lone sequoia]

you can boost supports cp

help a lot for team building

jackal, rosanna, blanc, noise, helmT, laplace, noah/biscuit

[unkempt kestrel]

used alot more rocks than expected but hopefully this should perform well for a while

I have 2 elem actually

[lone sequoia]

looks good

[quick lake]

[lone sequoia]

check ammo

[unkempt kestrel]

since I have 15cs i can just use any cube right?

[lone sequoia]

try to get 12 ---- with 1 line

[unkempt kestrel]

phase 12? 73% ammo?

[lone sequoia]

yep, highest lvl cube work, i use tempering or resi

[lone sequoia]

check ammo number, her base is 8 and she shot 4 in combo

so if you have 11, she will shot 3 (of 4max) before reload

if she have 10 it will be 2 before reload

[unkempt kestrel]

i went into campaign and its 12 ammo

using my pvp team so it should be 12

[lone sequoia]

ok, all good

if you get 2 ammo lines you will have to try to get around 20ammo(or 16+bastion), at 3 lines you just want more than 24 and probably use bastion

[unkempt kestrel]

does using bastiion help if i only have 12 ammo? It will only gain 3 ammo

[lone sequoia]

you can lose dmg if you have less than 20, just because you will shot 1 less every combo

[restive heart]

@tropic summit he alr spent 10k gems in just 3 days

[lone sequoia]

but", it depends on the comp if you can kill x unit with your next 3 shots (bastion) sometimes enough dmg is better than way more dmg, but later

keep her OL and test in pvp, if something happens, you can fix it

[unkempt kestrel]

thats true. okay ty for the explaination. I think this is enough rocks invested for my vesti. since I only have 12 ammo, do you think I should use my lvl 15 resi or 12 bastion?

once I get my bastion to 15, ill 100% use bastion

[lone sequoia]

resi probably, more free slots for pvp units

[keen vapor]

What the actual $#&@

[cunning crown]

bwo

[umbral crown]

bro is trusting the process

[tropic summit]

the man is no quitter, he has a dream and a wallet

[swift mango]

@marsh axle I think this guy beat you easily.

[swift mango]

Ah, the problem is you also spent 1000+.

[fallow nebula]

Velvet any good? She steals scarlet’s ammo

[swift mango]

Man my scarlet will be 4 ammo less, what I am I gonna do?

[fallow nebula]

She will reload

[swift mango]

darn why didn't I think of that.

[fallow nebula]

More reload less shooting

[swift mango]

The accidentally mistyped "reduce to 5%" as "steal 5%" fr

[marble saddle]

i cant use helm for this anymore since no more jackal link.

[swift mango]

just clap him with Vesti+Emi.

[marble saddle]

too much cp gap wont fq me over?

[glad meteor]

Full max core vs Full max core

Technically you not on deficit there

[marble saddle]

im at 15.03%

[glad meteor]

But blanc is dangerous

[swift mango]

use slower indom kill his scarlet then win against SW.

[marble saddle]

how about this?

[glad meteor]

p1 blanc against siren

[marble saddle]

MG vs scar bad?

[marble saddle]

oh yeah but then who i put in P1? jackal?

[gaunt pulsar]

in wet t-shirt? thats double dmg from counter right there yes it's bad*

[glad meteor]

Dk you would win if rapi even got indom , link could die to scar s2 as well

[marble saddle]

then slower indom will need me to prob considerd other units

[glad meteor]

Slower indom against instant nuke plus automatic weapon isn’t really effective. Unless mihara dot biscuit and rumani is there

[marble saddle]

what if i try nuking as well with indom?

could try emilia but indom wont save me against SWHA

[glad meteor]

interesting

Helm loses gen to decoy I guess so idk

[marble saddle]

so go ahead?

[glad meteor]

Scar automatic weapon kinda has advantage

[marble saddle]

yeah ik

[glad meteor]

I dont think you win that one

[marble saddle]

other option is atk others and be happy with rank 2

[glad meteor]

Usually team is easy to beat, but not many options

[marble saddle]

ill go other way then

there problem solved

[glad meteor]

You beat him?

[marble saddle]

no. i just atked the other lower ranked peeps
the goal was to be rank 1

[glad meteor]

[marble saddle]

since not enough time to cook a team ill take the low road

[forest zodiac]

@tidal lichen this was super scary

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/PqZjj4w4ijU?si=JmTX4MYMeIsx1NSx

[haughty mortar]

I tried almost everything that I saved as samples but I just don't seem to be able to beat this. Slow af but still. Is it CP? My teams are 200k lower than them.

[tropic summit]

if only there was a way to find out if you're in deficit and how many times we told you how to do so

for example you could multiply enemy CP for 0.846 and find out if your CP is above that value

[tidal lichen]

i expected a triple

guess maiden not tanky enough

shouldve mentioned endu

nvm the burst was too slow

[haughty mortar]

I didn't bother because I already knew I was at a deficit. 40k to be precise.

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

you also didn't bother using the right helm unit, that's OG helm not treasured

based on your box here: #pvp-arena message
you've already a lot of cards to play

[fading ermine]

Are there any good teams?

[haughty mortar]

Yeah didn't realize

[tropic summit]

@haughty mortar use your most invested units, run p1 linked, get someone you can afford to be stunned to cover for your actual B3 burst

[silent torrent]

do you guys think I can win this ?

[quartz vortex]

would this win?

[tropic summit]

@haughty mortar
what happens here:

2RL B1 RH casts B1
2RL B2 RH is stunned, you cast noah B2, as RH is stunned
2RL B3 you cast liberalio B3, as RH is stunned

you're 2RL over enemy 2.5RL/3RL, your own libeario hits before they hit

[fading ermine]

[tropic summit]

deficit for 686k

run a different team or pick someone else

[haughty mortar]

I can swap Libby for SBS She is higher CP

[tropic summit]

your noah is stunned, enemy will bypass, your helmt will snipe someone, you then engage in a DPS battle

[tropic summit]

wild to use SBS B3 in current meta

[haughty mortar]

I am no longer gapped as much at least

[fading ermine]

It's mainly Team 1 and Team 2. team 3 is oki

[tropic summit]

run these

it's funny how that enemy T2 wants to sacc... but he gave you a unit that won't die before 9s in p1

bro is playing 4D chess against himself in a parallel universe

[haughty mortar]

OK so even then it's GG. Oh well

[fading ermine]

Let me try

[tropic summit]

did you check links? was RH linked?

plus you were given liberalio, a 1hitko and you changed it into a DPS SBS...

[tropic summit]

you're in deficit here, helmT would need to try really hard to nuke link with 1hitko and you'd still need to survive nayuta nuke
pretty harsh, can't really say

[fading ermine]

Is it okay to get Vesti through team 1 and team 3 like this? @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

if your xmaiden is well invested she can be used instead of vestiTU

[haughty mortar]

Because I was still under the 686.

[tropic summit]

ye but you're not using your brain

it's like you were told to use a car that goes well on the road and then you pick a car that goes on dirt

[fading ermine]

hmm oki oki

[tropic summit]

even if the car that goes on dirt is better invested than the car that goes on road, if you use it to go on road instead of dirt it won't work?

[fading ermine]

ty bro

[tropic summit]

solid 3/3, nice cookin' with the moran team

[haughty mortar]

But you said this because I was still in deficit #pvp-arena message. I reran with Libby as well and no dice. And yes RH was linked. I reread Jackal's skill. RH and Helm were linked

[tropic summit]

yes that's why you shouldn't run the team at all

[fading ermine]

If he manages to answer tomorrow, I'll ask him again

[haughty mortar]

I'll know for next time not to bash my head against 🐳

[fading ermine]

[tropic summit]

sort of, fix your utilities CP first and foremost so you don't get punished

you're only 4 levels behind, even if opponent is high on cores you shouldn't be getting gapped

[wild hemlock]

Beat CN overlord lost to random person next match. The duality of CA. This is what I get for funny cooks and not copy paste meta

[tropic summit]

even with copy paste meta, all you need is bad RNG on 2 or 3 teams

CA does not reward effort

[haughty mortar]

200k cp is not just gap.........it's A LOT OF 💵

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/money-ohara-mari

[wild hemlock]

Oh you're telling me after Nana swept me after I had one of my best CA runs ever only to get 5-0'd

[tropic summit]

aye, lovely isn't it

just team order diffed

you've a problem only when you can see that, even with good matchups, you'd still lose

[haughty mortar]

Whales ruin games

[tropic summit]

then it's an invest diffed

[wild hemlock]

But tbf my teams this CA were definitely a bit too funny so I wasn't expecting to win. Next CA maybe I go back to meta slave

The Lib/Soda/Trina/Anis/Jackal comp might be too diabolical. Or my slow cindy with no cindy and only mihara

[fading ermine]

I hope to get into the top

[ancient sun]

@gaunt pulsar as we suspected. Their Rosa snipes my Vesti. Good news tho, she also snipes Blanc it seems which gets blocked

Maybe Cindy can tank it?

[gaunt pulsar]

your other option leaves us with nayuta

[glad meteor]

Their t3 doesnt look 2rl, you can outspeef with cindy, bay can only tank cindy if she burst befote

[gaunt pulsar]

will look into cindy

[ancient sun]

You mean Nayuta Vesti Siren comp?

[tidal lichen]

[gaunt pulsar]

the one you got suggested before, the one that was in deficit

technically cindy should work too

[ancient sun]

Sorry I think I missed it. I will check history

[gaunt pulsar]

#pvp-arena message

[ancient sun]

2.5RL

[glad meteor]

Was thinking this but your rh is only lb1.

[ancient sun]

Oh shit. Rumani holds us

[ancient sun]

Wont’t work CP wise unfortunately for 2nd team

Centi is behind a lot

[gaunt pulsar]

he cannot kill bay before her burst need scar which isn't really invested
with swha on enemy side it isn't true 2.5 due to how her shots land, will be midway through 2.5 already at full, they are more like 2.3

[tidal lichen]

put nayuta in p2 and rumani in p1 if youre gonna try that team

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

Still think cindy should go through, her nuke works kinda different as a snapshot

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit

[glad meteor]

is your trina stronk

[tidal lichen]

1st team doesnt even burst 😭

[ancient sun]

Nope. Trina, centi and rumani are behind in terms of CP

[leaden canyon]

yeah its the only team I can kill lol

[ancient sun]

Drake would murder me tho? Nayuta p2, rumani p5 works better, no?

[glad meteor]

Hmm. CP does indeed look tight. Need to balance cp between 2 fights

[gaunt pulsar]

it's kinda off, but even if he was faster and in time, i dont trust cindy to snipe exactly bay had my own experience trying to snipe enemy b2 before them

[tropic summit]

T1 you know how to kill, usual lib/vesti BS
T2 drakeT nayuta ros jackal vestiTU (kill p2 and p3, kill noah with firecode units, get RH stuck attacking nayuta p2)
T3 i dunno you're the expert at this

T2 assumes ros and vestiTU are linked btw

[tidal lichen]

[glad meteor]

I was thinking just kill the dps with cindy burst,after bay bursts only bay will be alive

[tidal lichen]

depends on how built drake is

just need siren to survive till stun

[glad meteor]

Bay wont redirect cindy burst after she bursts into her cover

[tidal lichen]

@ancient sun how much atk do you have on cindy

[glad meteor]

I wish she kinda would. I was bay believer once upon a time

[tidal lichen]

yea seems doomed

nayuta is barely above cindy

so she gets ros

[gaunt pulsar]

will cindy survive ros?

just in general

[tidal lichen]

idk.

[ancient sun]

I assume their rosa is well invested

[tidal lichen]

maybe cubes save the day?

[ancient sun]

what do you think about, siren + lib?

[glad meteor]

Cindy is defender

[tidal lichen]

same issue

[glad meteor]

So doesnt get targetted by rosa and her decoy can tank ros burst if active

[gaunt pulsar]

there wont be any attackers, she still will target someone, in at least variant i was thinking of

[tidal lichen]

@ancient sun equip your most invested cube on cindy and no cube on nayuta, send jackal cindy siren nayuta to shooting range and check whos linked

[ancient sun]

In our case, what happened is Rosa sniped Vesti and Blanc but Blanc was invuln

[tidal lichen]

if cindy and siren are linked u can send rumani nayuta bisc siren cindy

[glad meteor]

Prob p1-2. I think

[leaden canyon]

I did crown trina biscuit lib rumani on round 1 but it died, round 2 won though

[glad meteor]

I forgot rosa targetting when no atk and she p4. But i think its p1-2

[tidal lichen]

its 1-2 yea

[gaunt pulsar]

i was thinking this, drake feeds into jackal at p5, blanc blocks p1, cindy idk, siren should survive until stun like before, and cp should be in range because it's kinda mostly his invested units

[tidal lichen]

that doesnt sound bad

[tidal lichen]

not sure if drake can proc bisc before nuke on this team asw

[versed snow]

What is a recommended team setup for pvp?

Its for rookie

[ancient sun]

siren jackal nayuta linked

[tidal lichen]

yea doomed

[tidal lichen]

this comp looks good

i dont think cindy gets indom tho

[ancient sun]

yeah looks very good

[gaunt pulsar]

might be blanc linked not cindy though*

[heady peak]

Im losing to his teams.lol

[ancient sun]

blanc is linked

I can just swap cindy with blanc hto

[gaunt pulsar]

they will skip cindy at p1

[ancient sun]

oh sorry I was looking at your link meanwhile holding my info

[ancient sun]

I will test this set up tomorrow when I can. Thank you so much for taking your time and helping us. I will report how it goes @gaunt pulsar @tidal lichen

[tidal lichen]

[gaunt pulsar]

try that positioning if you gonna try

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit I figured it out

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/intergalactic-quality-intergalactic-intergalactic-back-to-the-future-back-to-the-future-great-scot-gif-26804322

[quartz vortex]

do i have time to burst before noah procs or i should wait it out with swha?

[shell hazel]

somehow you always figure it out @leaden canyon 😄

[tidal lichen]

just swap lib and swha

enemy comp takes ages to burst

[north brook]

Dair cracked fr

Anyone got some good def cooks lately, want some more ideas

[lunar pawn]

can anyone tell if attacker is 2.5rl or 3rl?

think it should be 3rl but unsure

[gaunt pulsar]

what's with people at such high sync having such problems lately shouldn't you all should know each other for a few years at this point? why such unhinged animosity towards you

[north brook]

I mean some whales just use cp to win they have no idea what meta is

[haughty mortar]

What about this?

[lunar pawn]

should work

[gaunt pulsar]

~2.7-2.8

[haughty mortar]

I am giga gapped in T2 thought >< Any advise for T1?

[north brook]

Looks like that team probably misindoms?

[haughty mortar]

So if I do Siren with indom should work?

[tidal lichen]

just send a 2rl lib

dont use vesti

[haughty mortar]

Vs which team?

[tidal lichen]

this

[north brook]

That comp only indoms snow if u use vesti xd

[glad meteor]

Could just nayuta 4sg

[heady peak]

No idea. He has an ego issue. More cash than brains. His profile even says call me daddy lil boy or something. He also joined an fc of mine and said to unalive myself in fc message then left.

@gaunt pulsar

[north brook]

Holy

[tropic summit]

what did you end up doing for T1?

[north brook]

Thats some winning

[heady peak]

He did get me eventually. He even bought 10 lvls of sync lvls to do it earlier.

[haughty mortar]

Is T3 at least acceptable?

[gaunt pulsar]

my god, mental illness,

[glad meteor]

[hollow lagoon]

wow

[glad meteor]

Nikke pvp making people go insane fr

[fast nest]

hit him again with free ticket and let him use 1000 gem every time.

[tropic summit]

that's what happens when you mix p2p with e-peen sensible

[glad meteor]

People have longer relationships with people in this game than in real life probably

[gaunt pulsar]

i do wish there was exponentially increasing cost for each time you want buy pvp attempt, let SU make more money on those 💳

[glad meteor]

SU want the toxicity to stay

[north brook]

How much approx does bays treasure improve her kit btw?

[tropic summit]

QoL in my budget indie game? noway

[heady peak]

I want to change my team up on defense before i do. Lol

[scarlet adder]

hmm what is role of RH in this team? just backup b2 if noah stunned? but with sw and helm in team you can easily reach speed where b2 can't be stunned by siren or is it anti soda stun?

[tropic summit]

2 rotations

[glad meteor]

You can use her in p1-2 more safely. Outside of that some heal but not much change outside that

[north brook]

Follow up burst

[scarlet adder]

ahhh ok

[fast nest]

You are controlling his emotion and you can ruin his day everytime.

[north brook]

Feel like ya i should try to max morans doll next then

[heady peak]

Here is his new team. I need a new defense team... i really want help figuring out what will make him spend more gems again hahaha.

[north brook]

Think i rlly need to improve my teams cp and invest

[wild hemlock]

Scarlet/Rapu/Trina/Emilia/LapT what cubes do ppl run? Who gets Quantums? Everyone except Scarlet or no

[north brook]

Only quantum if team needs it really

Otherwise bulk/cs/ high lvl cube

[wild hemlock]

Well it depends if you are against AR or not but this would be for CA so it's RNg

Just curious what cubes ppl use in CA for that team

[north brook]

Quantum only matters if team is around 98% burst gen at some point

Then u can have quantums bring that to 100

[wild hemlock]

Oh yeah I know

Like for example

[north brook]

Mostly just use resil for more stats or vigor/tempering for bulk or adjutant for cs bracket

[wild hemlock]

If vs the standard moran/noah team, having a quantum on rapu makes you faster

[glad meteor]

For ca it might help make team a frame or so faster which might be helpful in scar mirror

[tidal lichen]

[wild hemlock]

So I'm more curious if people are going 4 quantums or just 3, I would guess just 3 probably

[haughty mortar]

Imma give this a go.

[tidal lichen]

t3 mirror with noah instead of anis or centi
t2 rumani maiden nayuta bisc flex
t1 jack vesti siren blanc helm

[heady peak]

Ooh, i mean i need to make a defense team against his team. He matches his attack and defense teams.

[tidal lichen]

why would any1 ever do that

[wild hemlock]

[north brook]

Better for testing if u have cp advantage

Though its better if ur teams are counterplay proofed

[heady peak]

If you are top 3, you still make it in CA right?

[tidal lichen]

top 4 is ca

[lunar pawn]

record

[heady peak]

Thx bruh

[arctic jewel]

I'm having some difficulties with updating my defense teams for SP Arena, because I'm not entirely sure what kind of teams I should prioritize countering. Some pointers, or actually any kind of help would be appreciated

[haughty mortar]

What can I build for T1 just to try?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmt rh laplaceT
• jackal swha blanc biscuit siren
• noise rumani vestiTU drakeT noah

Notes

your box is well built already, there's several other options you can run, you can opt for rosanna teams or triple threat teams, you also have the option to run a bayT-biscuit team + noah team and indom

If this defense breaks, you've at least another 4 or 5 easily doable

[arctic jewel]

Thank you! I'm currently trying to get proper OL gear for Rosanna (because I really want to make sure that her Burst does something), what Nikkes should I try to build next? Nayuta? Liberalio? Bay?

Maybe even Label?

[tropic summit]

bay is workaroundable... it depends really on your opponents and how smart they are to deal with her
nayuta in general is a good card to have both on attack and defense, 2RL nayuta with a RH or Rosanna can be expensive to deal against
rosanna is always good, be it on attack or defense

that said, rosanna and nayuta i guess you could boost them up

[tropic summit]

label is extremely situational and near useless on defense, can't recommend

only build her if you've no proper cards to deal with scarlet, and based on your box that's not your issue

[arctic jewel]

Rip, was mostly thinking if Scarlet or Rosanna gives me trouble

or Cindy

[tropic summit]

they won't and shouldn't give you problems

your box has all the tools to sort those teams out without label

[arctic jewel]

good to know, I honestly just felt overwhelmed when designing anything

Again, thank you! Makes things a lot easier since I also need to start dealing with Mother Whale on Elysion and Tetra Towers...

[tropic summit]

the tip i can give you when building teams is: put yourself in the attacker shoes, look at your 3 made teams and look at which 2 teams are easier/most abusable, then work on those weakness the most possible

difficulty is added whenever you use:

noah
bay + biscuit
rosanna 2RL
nayuta 2RL
indom of any kind, preferable AoEs indoms that cannot get p1 locked or suffer from taunting
a team that is not siren weak
a team that cannot be abused by SG
a team that has nuke resistance or immunity
a team that has sustain/stalling (moran or noise)
a team that has stun pressure (siren or soda)

[arctic jewel]

this was a very good tip, I just need to get used to this kind of thinking

[tropic summit]

try to add any of the above in your teams for better chances at winning def

[heady peak]

Can i ask why trina there? Is it just for burst gen?

[tropic summit]

high CP in his box and clip RL, padding + battery

[heady peak]

Aaah ok.

@tropic summit mind if i just send you a pm about pvp? I want to ruin this one guys day. >.> i dont know if you saw my above message lol

[tropic summit]

i'd prefer you don't DM, just post it here

[hollow lagoon]

[rustic sandal]

These mfers are double teaming me wtf?!

They attack at the exact same time.

[north brook]

Man in the trenches

Tbh tho wasnt ur box a struggle

[rustic sandal]

It is.

The fact that I can keep CH3 is a miracle.

Leave me alone. Goddamn.

[north brook]

Tbh ur easy target, just plan attacks well

[rustic sandal]

Oh my GOOOOOD

[tropic summit]

give it up, even if you did qualify for CA, you lack most pvp core units

not worth the headache

[haughty mortar]

T2 and T3 win

[heady peak]

The guys defense, but it is also his attack team. I want a team that is going to be hard for him to keep attacking. I want to keep making him waste gems.

So backstory... this guy in the past has joined my FC told me to unalive myself and my other fc mate, then left. He was mad af for some reason when we came into his bracket before, and took first place from him.

He spams attacks until he can win. Idc that he spends money, or is a whale. He also has even increased his level before by 10 lvls to beat me.

[rustic sandal]

[tropic summit]

doesn't look like he knows what he's doing... T1 and T2 are poorly built, T3 is a bad choice for defense

run 3 2RL teams, 1 with bay biscuit, 1 with noah in p2 or p5 and an indom team with vestiTU/SWHA, you'll probably defend

[heady peak]

My current defense.

[leaden canyon]

crown biscuit lib helm rumani

@tropic summit also need to deal with this now lol

[hollow lagoon]

[leaden canyon]

pretty sure i can just fast scar nuke with blanc

on 3

unless this kills

[rustic sandal]

I am going to nuke the whole generation.

[tidal lichen]

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit flex flex noise will deal with that, stay out of deficit
p2 and p3 may die, so keep ur main B3 in p4

it's a glass cannon, p4 B3 can be lib or cindy to wipe

[tidal lichen]

thats something.

[rustic sandal]

Honestly... why am I contesting? I should just attack 1 hour after they do.

[tidal lichen]

just dont spend gems

[leaden canyon]

with the increase in cp im pretty sure only vesti can kill his t2 now

[tidal lichen]

you lose if you spend gems.

[north brook]

This guy making new cooks every 3 minutes pretty admirable

[tropic summit]

he hit 681... told you yesterday it was gonna get sh*t

[leaden canyon]

does round 3 win though

or should I fast nuke with scar blanc

[tropic summit]

helm linked?

[leaden canyon]

helm and ros linked

[tropic summit]

you take huge dmg on link

[rustic sandal]

I've spent at least 500 now.

[hollow lagoon]

looks fun

[tropic summit]

think you're dead on B2

[tidal lichen]

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

as for the scar blanc... you need to live to 2RL B2

scar jackal blanc biscuit trina might live?

[rustic sandal]

Goddamn piece of shit. Wishlist my ass.

[leaden canyon]

no biscuit means the other team suffers though

[tropic summit]

he forgot to put SG in that team at least

you can sacc into indom

[rustic sandal]

I'm thiiiiiiis close to saccing my gems just to feel something.

[tropic summit]

helm swha sbs blanc ros

but i dunno i think B3 still dies

[upbeat river]

https://www.blablalink.com/user?openid=MjkwODAtMTQzMzU5MzgwMDkxNjA0MzkxODA=
need some sp arena defense team recommendations please and thanks!

[tidal lichen]

stop.

[glad meteor]

Just cope on collab

[rustic sandal]

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

just get ch4-ch6 and calm down

you're tilting for no reason, you lack pvp core units you can't contest in the first place

[tropic summit]

wha's the other team? nero moran?

[lunar pawn]

Gj

[leaden canyon]

Nero moran helm lib drake

and it has more cp now because 81

[hollow lagoon]

dayum

[leaden canyon]

I could pop all my battle data and convert into credits and then hit my next cp increase

[tropic summit]

ok let's go for the noise option

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit pooor yuki cant even silver milage your girl

[tropic summit]

he's just gotta chill

got too carried away reaching ch1 on ultra copium box

[hollow lagoon]

my union's yuki's doing better

well

[rustic sandal]

All my luck went to unnecessary dupes.

[hollow lagoon]

he took break so he can only chill in diamond

[rustic sandal]

I don't need 3 YANS!!!

[hollow lagoon]

just get core7 epinel and kill them all

[tropic summit]

don't give him ideas

he's vulnerable right now

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

the fact he already dropped gems is a bad sign

[rustic sandal]

Epinel wishlisted.

[lone rapids]

need some ideas for sp def comp

[hollow lagoon]

looks well invested and no weakness

[hollow lagoon]

Try the complementary fun comp

[lone rapids]

ok tnx

[hollow lagoon]

oh wait i dont think i see your tact vesti

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit

https://giphy.com/gifs/peacocktv-peacock-tv-that-70s-show-you-are-a-god-p8Rjr8qfJuz9poWgWK

[lone rapids]

my vesti at the top

[hollow lagoon]

oh have fun then

[hollow lagoon]

that trina bursted before ded and nayuta gamba

holymoly

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta helmt rh emilia rumani
• jackal swha blanc centi sbs
• noise noah lib xmaiden trina

[hollow lagoon]

oh wait wasnt nayuta gamba she had leech

[upbeat river]

tyty

[tropic summit]

yeah should've given you emilia instead of lappy... wasn't sure on CP was enough with emi though, lappy sent to shadowrealm via ele weak

a sacrifice for victory either way , rest in pieces lappy

[leaden canyon]

core 7, SR 15, temp 15 and she still got nuked

[tropic summit]

yeah iron code

nayuta on RH buff is lethal on iron code at any resistance, even with noise on

@leaden canyon to make things better, she got critted at that

[leaden canyon]

btw I only got 1 rock from kraken today, not counting the pity

so I cant roll higher attack on vesti lmao

[hollow lagoon]

i got 2

[tropic summit]

what was deficit on that vesti team actually

[hollow lagoon]

and i sent to roll shit and got nothing

back to 0 rock yey

[tropic summit]

MF you won with 28%

your vestiTU deserves a holiday for carrying your 4ss the past several months

[restive heart]

bro i never had in my life spent 1k gems in pvp

[leaden canyon]

Probably could have won without hood there too lmao

[hollow lagoon]

i prob spent more when i'm desprate for elemental mat but prob not over 3k in total

[leaden canyon]

I need surface content for rocks man

[hollow lagoon]

i used to spend when i test shit

[restive heart]

also those were the free 5 tokens like last year

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit why mw gotta be the annoying one

right cuz elevtric succcccck

[tropic summit]

silly you, not 60/60 on everything

sounds like casual gamin'

[hollow lagoon]

[leaden canyon]

btw rail, for defending against the 6th place guy who uses rapu scar soline nuke, I did noise noah biscuit vesti label, should I do moran instead of noise? @tropic summit

The speed will be the same

[tropic summit]

moran can turn it around if they lack lethal DPS like vestiTU or SWHA

but the purpose of that team kinda remains the same

rather just add rapunzel or siren instead of label

[hollow lagoon]

i just hope people in my bracket dont ask rail fer help

[leaden canyon]

He does fast scar nuke so usually scar before noah goes off and this team is already 2.5

so thats why label is there

[covert lintel]

Mw is a super weird boss
Electric nikke doesn't have any distribute damage

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

tbh what you should fear is not external help, but people with a box like dair's

he's keeping up with 28% deficit sh*t his rival throws at him

truly chad

[hollow lagoon]

one day you will discover tech to keel 50% deficit

and ill cry

[leaden canyon]

Oh he finally spent gems on me

[covert lintel]

It will be different if the opponent truly invest to pvp nikke

[leaden canyon]

whats funny is I dont even need noah to burst

[hollow lagoon]

so he just pads and hope you leave him alone

[leaden canyon]

well hes trying stuff with the 81 boost now

[hollow lagoon]

for 1 team that is

[leaden canyon]

the other team is also pad

[hollow lagoon]

i see ur not touching the DR team

[leaden canyon]

we can beat it if hhelm doesn't burst on

[hollow lagoon]

bro should split up moran and nero

make a team around nero's granting DR to healers

[leaden canyon]

fuunny enough that team is easier to kill with noah on it

[north brook]

Defecit crazy