pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/you-deer-dark-souls

[keen vapor]

snake and food in the same sentence?

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

concerned

[keen vapor]

We need a new SW emote

[tropic summit]

i need for SU to realize surface content is gonna EoS

[keen vapor]

Design will be 200% more beautiful without those furry ears

[tropic summit]

you fool, the nekomimi stay

[swift mango]

Me: I'm snek food.
The snake:

[keen vapor]

They're changing the focus, don't worry

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

oh? on what

[keen vapor]

On how the mode is approached

[tropic summit]

really... why am I getting a bad feeling regardless...

[swift mango]

@tulip quest could you send me 5 teams of your bracket champ? Thank you.

Whenever you have time online and have the game open.

[swift mango]

It this girl grow up Suzuran?

Doesn't looks like so, nvm

[tropic summit]

bit of a resemblance but perlica has no tails

[swift mango]

So Arknight regressed in style

[tropic summit]

and she has 4 ears

[onyx scaffold]

leona

[swift mango]

Animal humans have no tail. 😑 : 🤮

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Some may have no tail but fox girls needs to have tail

Suzuran
Suzuda
Suzumom

[tropic summit]

nekomimi banzai uh

i need to re-read all of arknight races

kinda forgot what each is called

[vapid lake]

even pvp channel became arknights

[onyx scaffold]

lazy

[tropic summit]

time to join us and become a factory man

supplychains and sh*et

[vapid lake]

already there

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/gigachad-13

[vapid lake]

and it looks ike i don't need to engage with the gacha at all to enjoy the factorio part of the game so that's a big w for me

[tropic summit]

they're being awfully kind in resources tbh

[swift mango]

This is Arknight? I guess they game would make more money because it's Genshin like but I don't see the appeal of the original.

[tropic summit]

pity is also pretty decent

but OG arknight was also generous

lots of freebie units too

[swift mango]

Except the longggggg grind

[vapid lake]

i never played og arknights and i don't care abotu any of the characters or story

i heard "factorio" and my brain went ok me like

[ornate spoke]

https://klipy.com/gifs/golda-rosheuvel-bridgerton-2

[swift mango]

The appeal of Arknight isn't the character but the style. Which I don't find in this screenshot.

Idk how music is like in this new game but OG Arknight music have always been good.

To the point that the players asked if Arknight is a game company or a music company.

[tropic summit]

it's decent

battle themes are pretty good, environment music is well done

[tropic summit]

it's still there, the dark corners of the game are staying

[swift mango]

But TBF, the main points that lost the appeal of the game to me was that they said all characters in Arknight died to ogirinium disease so none alive in this new game.

It both make this game irrelevant and the struggle of the characters in the original game pointless.

I rather they didn't make this game and gave out this bs lore.

[tropic summit]

uh not sure about that, there are returning characters in endfield, like sutr, albeit with a different name

[swift mango]

The dev is just bad at making up story. All their braincell used to making music it seems

[tropic summit]

oh nvm just read about it

"Surtr is the AK character, Laevatain is Surtr reconvener in Endfield as to what are reconveners you will see in the game yourself. You can kinda see them as "clones" but not exactly"

so what you said is probably right

[swift mango]

Different name or different character with same appearance. Like flame anchor and Himeko. Raiden and Mei.

[versed mesa]

It feels so bad attacking the same guy, but it is my only option since the other two, though I can beat, my defenses won't hold and they gem, while he does not.

[swift mango]

I guess mysterious character with no lore, no past memory like Surtr who doesn't have originium disease might as well survive because we know nothing about her.

[tropic summit]

if it helps you can think of it as a "what if" scenario, there could be a universe where they didn't die to originium and found a cure

[swift mango]

Except red hair girl with a stand

[tropic summit]

maybe OG arknight will actually make them find a cure and surprise you

[swift mango]

The dev said no cure.

Not before this new game at least I guess

They could contain the spreading but not curing. So everyone died.

[tropic summit]

oh wow so they actually already put in on stone

sadge

[swift mango]

Maybe they could change the lore in time

[swift mango]

Maybe that it's alternative universe.

[versed mesa]

It was all a dream

[tropic summit]

@swift mango btw she's a tail

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/you-like-that-huh-weirdo-do-you-like-it-earl-bassett-fred-ward-gif-16664876

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

you can find practical uses

[forest zodiac]

will this work? kinda scared of siren in t3

[tropic summit]

your anti scar team is overcommitted

[forest zodiac]

what does it mean?

[tropic summit]

too much burst gen, you don't need both SWHA and helmT

[forest zodiac]

that makes it worsse?

[tropic summit]

essentially you're wasting burst gen you could put in T3

here's your matchup:

the way i'd fix it:

[forest zodiac]

uh

[tropic summit]

you can turn T3 in natural 2RL, which ensures you're deadly on the whole enemy team, while keeping your jackal siren resistant

going 2.5RL means your jackal can be stunned

[forest zodiac]

first screenshot is what

[tropic summit]

which can be fine if you running siren backup B1 ofc

[forest zodiac]

do or don't

because its different from what I had

[tropic summit]

i'm sorry i assumed you knew what you were doing, taking a step back this is your current T2

as you can see you're 134% to 2RL

that 34% is overcommited, wasted

[shell hazel]

you're a bit further on than me I just unlocked ferrium mining in I think the 4th or so mini zone in the valley

[tropic summit]

at that point you can afford throwing in a buffer and still stay 2RL

which ensures you're lethal

[forest zodiac]

you put screenshot with team different to mine and tell you are fixing it in 2nd screenshot

[tropic summit]

yes because i though you knew what you are doing in T2

[forest zodiac]

there is 3 screenshots now

[tropic summit]

but you clearly don't if you're confused to the term "overcommited"

did you follow me so far on burst gen?

[shell hazel]

I'm enjoying more of arknights the further in I get though part of is more keen on the factory/production side than the combat side

[tropic summit]

that's the main catch afterall

[shell hazel]

I like snowballing my economy and I got loads to learn on how to make my factory do more

[forest zodiac]

sorry I don't know is it language gap on my side or smth

[shell hazel]

I've run out of explosives so I need to get some of the plants to make more

[forest zodiac]

just first screenshot put me into confusion

[tropic summit]

you're producing 134% to 2RL in terms of burst gen

[forest zodiac]

I understood overcommitment part

[tropic summit]

meaning you can afford dropping a burst gen unit for a buffer

[forest zodiac]

I didn't understood why it would be bad

[tropic summit]

cuz you can maximize your team output

when making teams:

1. hit enough burst gen to ensure speed
2. add buffers/sustain/gimmicks to ensure lethal or increase win chances

[forest zodiac]

basically there is big chance what I posted would already work but it wasn't optimal and optimizing around RL breakpoints is crucial in future

[tropic summit]

it will work, but it wasn't optimal, correct

[forest zodiac]

undertood, thanks

sorry about confuision again

[tropic summit]

it's fine, that's what this chat purpose is

any question just shoot

[forest zodiac]

[ornate mist]

@tropic summit may i ask how soda stun work it just random or i can taunt it?

[rustic sandal]

Bruh.

[quick lake]

Tauntable. If u bring 2 taunters, both stuns can be taunted

aka Noise + Noah for eg

[ornate mist]

Do i need a correct position to do that like put noise and noah in P1 and P2?

[quick lake]

Yes, ur taunting units need to actually taunt soda before she B1

Easier to just ignore 2RL soda teams

[ornate mist]

I c , thx

[glad meteor]

[rich sage]

anyone help me beat this? https://prnt.sc/FVpKaqXeTyBT

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit vestiTU helmT RH

[tropic summit]

i see rheax already explained, to add a bit of info:

enemy soda in p1 and p2 can be taunted by your noise and noah
enemy soda in p3 p4 p5 cannot be taunted
soda casts stun on 2 units at random, unless taunted

an easier way to deal against such teams is to bring a rosanna and kill their attackers, being a B1 she'll burst at same or near same time as enemy soda, unless you've way less CS% than opponent.

as long as rosanna kills enemy attackers, even if soda stuns your B2 and/or B3, they've no weapons against you

[rich sage]

tyty

[ornate mist]

Thanks

[ancient sun]

Why Siren stuns Noah here? I thought Moran should prevent that?

[tropic summit]

you're 2.5RL

your team needs to be 2RL to be siren immune via moran

[ancient sun]

F

I see. Thank you

[ancient sun]

Does it have to be precisely 2RL? Can 2.2RL work?

[tropic summit]

you need to B1 when enemy is on B2 on 2RL

siren stun happens a little bit before B2 2RL

you can mess around with timings here: https://nikke.top/

you'll want your moran B1 to be before siren hits, on this graph you can see this team will be too late to get to B1 to prevent noah from being stunned

[ancient sun]

I understand how it works without Moran but with Moran I still have no clue how stun occurs

should B1 happen before stun line?

with Moran

[lone sequoia]

siren stun moran? i thought noah taunt had prio over moran attract buff

[ancient sun]

(meaning is there a delay to Moran's taunt*)

[lone sequoia]

and... moran will lose her burst if she get stun

[ancient sun]

In my fight, Moran bursted and Noah got stunned

[lone sequoia]

as it should be (?

[ancient sun]

I need to make so that stun doesn't happen on Noah

[tropic summit]

moran noah on 2RL will have siren stun moran because she pulls siren before she lands hit on noah

although i've heard a certain amount of CS% on noah can nullify it

[lone sequoia]

timing? taunt on charge should keep the aggro against attract

[tropic summit]

this is what you looking for

as you can see moran B1 is before siren stun

[lone sequoia]

can you just kill siren with vesti/rosanna?

[shell hazel]

but noah stills get stunned :9

[tropic summit]

looks like a linked siren

[ancient sun]

Okay, this team doesn't function without killing my other teams. Welp gg. Gotta make new comps again

[tropic summit]

there's probably a different approach you can try, or just run noah with noise

[shell hazel]

noah with noise + noise taunt prio is common for that reason

[lone sequoia]

2RL? if rosanna snipe both attackers you tank blanc burst

[tropic summit]

if he has rosanna built ye

[lone sequoia]

or indom fight

i don't know if he can play stall against blanc

[tropic summit]

this was tested before and there was a video here, although it's gonna take a while to search

[ancient sun]

okay, these are teams I had before. team 3 was Rapi instead of SBS for CP padding. Then I changed them to this (one sec)

[lone sequoia]

or... scar nuke(? but speed check

[ancient sun]

I put this set up on defense because previous one was figured by my bracket and it worked for now

[ancient sun]

I have decent rosa

[lone sequoia]

221 sync, so no rosanna

what about enemy teams?

[ancient sun]

it's mostly issue of defence since this guy has it out for me

[arctic jewel]

I'm thinking about giving 1 Max Ammo for SWHA, is there a specific number that I need to reach or?

[shell hazel]

is it moran taunt preventing noah stun?

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit a bit different now

[lone sequoia]

full dmg, 1 ammo work but it doesn't matter for pve(you only lose the 3rd unbuffed hit in bad reload window), for pvp... probably help for sub-dps but specific ammo numbers depends on the exact comp

so 1 ammo after 4atk/ele and some crit work

[ancient sun]

1. siren SWHA VestiTU Blanc Jackal (217k CP)
2. Nayuta Centi Liberalio RH THelm (268k)
3. Liter Crown Alice RH Drake (223k)

he is piece of cake on defense

when I attack him I mean

[tropic summit]

that's the idea but i can't find the vid

[lone sequoia]

so you want a 3rd win?

[ancient sun]

I am trying to make team on defense that doesn't lose to his strongest two teams and my third team doens't suffer from being weak

[tropic summit]

he gave up on bursting altogether in T2 and just embraced CP pad this time

[arctic jewel]

Hmmmm, OK, it's just that I'd prefer to use her for both PvP and PvE, if that's possible. I'm currently trying to use her to counter a specific opponent (indom Vesti)

[ancient sun]

I am getting popular as well

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/my-dress-up-darling-my-dress-up-darling-s2-my-dress-up-darling-season-2-oceanicsx0-sono-bisque-doll-wa-koi-wo-suru-gif-9245408512847071672

[lone sequoia]

DEF teams... i don't build or change DEF teams, it doesn't work to me when i know i can beat them (my own teams) with many different combinations

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/euller-smith-oshi-no-ko-anime-ai-ai-idol-gif-15125277946289622503

[leaden canyon]

yeah and hes never thrown scarlet in with the blanc team before, thats like omega fast scar

[shell hazel]

most popular one 🙂

[arctic jewel]

@lone sequoia oh, and due to limited amount of crystals, I was able to roll 4 Atk, 3 Ele and 1 Max Ammo

[lone sequoia]

+2 years with the same DEF, only main dps changed in 1

[ancient sun]

Did Label kick Scarlet from SSS tier? I haven't seen any on defense recently

[lone sequoia]

better than my swha, just keep what you got, you can try to get crit rate or just fill the lines for cp boost

[lone sequoia]

no... is just more of the same, a new unit that work as ATK tool for lazy players that don't build units

scarlet have many counters at some lvl, but label is the 2nd true counter for her... in most of her comps at least

[arctic jewel]

Good to know, hmmm... you said earlier that it depends on the comp, but maybe I shouldn't worry about it too much and just have that Max Ammo for now?

[ancient sun]

what is the first? noah?

[lone sequoia]

yep, nuke counter

[ancient sun]

Okay I will try and build new teams. Then I will ask for a feedback here

[rustic sandal]

Please cook. It's like 5 in the morning. Here's my box. If you don't see a unit here that you want me to use, I don't have her. So stop asking me where's Jackal and Noah and Biscuit and Blanc and Rumani and Trina...

[oak hatch]

Vids for moran Noah vs siren p1 and p3, vs siren in p1-2 Moran won’t taunt

[lone sequoia]

like... if your ATK or DEF team is indom or a different team that just work during first full burst and die, you don't need more ammo than that, there are some comps that last more time and at that point you check for ammo in your units, for sub dps swha you will need a bit more ammo than main dps swha just because how her burst is

[tropic summit]

oh so it was siren positioning dependant? you learn something everyday

@ancient sun this answers ur question ^

[oak hatch]

Yeah I think when sirens in p3-5, Moran can only taunt there

[tropic summit]

also @shell hazel

[ancient sun]

damn

so basically when siren is p1,p2 it's all useless. Best thing I can do is CS increase

[arctic jewel]

Oooh ok, I see. That makes a bit more sense. Ugh... the thing is that I'm actually trying to use indom SWHA xD
But ech, since I'm planning on using her in PvE and probably as a sub dps in the future, I might as well just keep it like this. Thanks!

[tropic summit]

use the previous team i gave you for T2, just ensure you're in time to burst with crown she'll be stunned at 2RL B2 for 3 seconds, i think you need to be 4RL or 5RL but i don't remember

as for the other team, run noise jackal helmt flex noah, just facetank scarlet indom while you nuke w/e is linked

[arctic jewel]

Unless I'm shooting myself in the foot, but I have a feeling that I'm not

[tropic summit]

or noise taunt priority

also 2RL indom with p1 B1 is siren immune

[leaden canyon]

oh no label for the scar team?

[ancient sun]

Thank you Jackal

[ancient sun]

so noise p1 noah p2. 2.5RL work?

[tropic summit]

eh you can make a strat around label too i guess, keep in mind after she bursted you still gotta tank scarlet indom

[oak hatch]

You can make some teams now with helm and sw that can go pretty fast even without much cs on the team that allows b2 to go before stun, can input on nikke top and see

[lone sequoia]

yeah, keep the ammo, 1 line is fine in both modes

[ancient sun]

that's one soultion to it I guess. It's just that I also use Nayuta on defense and if I make one team mega fast, I sacrifice a third team basically. I want to build LaplaceT to address that

[leaden canyon]

man I dont even remember the previous team, time to go look at vids

[oak hatch]

Building a strong vesti also works, almost always kills siren p1-3

[hollow lagoon]

[ancient sun]

Vesti is my most invested unit rn. Pretty much I am carried by her since everyone in my bracket 50-100k CP advantage in challenger

[lone sequoia]

at the current state of the game, CP/penalty is the only good defense against people, nothing work after we got cindy +1 year ago... and in this case your options are 2 pvp teams+ 1 heavy cp team that use swha (indom swha is a good cp team)

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit Was it the crown trina biscuit lib rumani team?

[lone sequoia]

you will be fine, keep playing and pushing campaign if you clear normal/hard mode and get those lvls you will get a huge lead later

[ancient sun]

I am trying bro. Currenly stuck on chapter 32 boss. I don't have Cindy or Crown so I have to invest into Ein. Meanwhile i am passing my time in PvP

[leaden canyon]

Also does noise want to be jackal linked here?

[lone sequoia]

no sanis?

[ancient sun]

Nope I joined in 3rd ani

[hollow lagoon]

what yo sync

[ancient sun]

it's easier to send babla link

[lone sequoia]

so no doro... what about ssrapi or swha?

[hollow lagoon]

3rd anni would be no sansi

[ancient sun]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtMTA5OTA4MDY4NDMyNzkyODM2NDI%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTA5OTA4MDY4NDMyNzkyODM2NDI%3D

[ancient sun]

yeah I use them

[lone sequoia]

not sure about ssrapi or swha hyper carry against mirror container, sdoro should work

[ancient sun]

no sdoro 🙁

[hollow lagoon]

should work but need electric to break qte still

[gaunt pulsar]

he can use lib there, she works too, still need other dpses though

[tropic summit]

this has to be one of the most cursed matchups with your box, T3 gonna need to pray

[hollow lagoon]

prob gonna need a rouge invest or something else electric

[lone sequoia]

well mirror container is the hardest boss in the game and the 2nd best after mother whale

[rustic sandal]

Oh man...

[tropic summit]

ye that one, although beware of siren stun, don't get biscuit bursting or you may no longer be lethal

[rustic sandal]

They knocked me out of CH5.

[tropic summit]

keep it for when and if you reclaim it i guess

[rustic sandal]

I was there for almost an entire day.

[ancient sun]

is there a point if I don't have Cindy tho?

[hollow lagoon]

i dont see a crown in ur list

[gaunt pulsar]

at your sync you prob wouldn't be able without her

[leaden canyon]

Well the team is 3RL

so I need to slow it to 4?

[ancient sun]

My friend told me that sync 241 is when I should actually try something. 261 is more realistic since no Crown, Cindy

[lone sequoia]

just full dmg, nayuta/swha/ssrapi (b1)/ein/helm or naga

[hollow lagoon]

unironically prob roll dis

[rustic sandal]

Found an easier one. It's on CH6. Keeps me away from Diamonds.

[gaunt pulsar]

it was hard enough at 224 with cindy/lib/sdoro i did skipped investing in better b1 there and used rrh there, but it's dmg check at such sync more than anything else

[rustic sandal]

I'm just gonna CP gap their T1 till they deal 1 DMG.

[ancient sun]

is sdoro that good for this boss?

[lone sequoia]

DEF stacking is still a problem if he doesn't destroy parts

[tropic summit]

3RL you probably bursting with biscuit

[lone sequoia]

how is vesti against MC?

[tropic summit]

unless she's ded ofc

[hollow lagoon]

sw prob get to do it

[gaunt pulsar]

not really, just good dmg agains't bosses

[ancient sun]

kinda bad without using Ein you know? I built her specifically for this boss

[leaden canyon]

Trina will probably die on first vesti volley, also does noise want to be linked in that team or no

[hollow lagoon]

what's ur deficit?

[lone sequoia]

high dmg without the range problems because for a SG she is like a sniper with pierce

[tropic summit]

just needs to burst, better actually if not linked

[leaden canyon]

Also biscuit will probably die to vesti as well

[leaden canyon]

kk

[rustic sandal]

Yeah try this one for size.

[tropic summit]

that's around 99% stat reduction

56% deficit

[rustic sandal]

CH6

[ancient sun]

proper and other just my highest CP team

[tropic summit]

doesn't even fit in the graph

[rustic sandal]

I think I can beat this too. CH3.

[lone sequoia]

free wins

[tropic summit]

gap the world

[rustic sandal]

Don't wanna attack tho. They're probably still online..

I'll do it at night.

[lone sequoia]

you probably want a 3rd team, just because random sh-t happen and is a good place to test things

[tropic summit]

ye the delay mattered

[leaden canyon]

Crown burst went off though

[rustic sandal]

I don't have enough units for that.

[tropic summit]

ye but your lib died pre nuke landing

she loses all the buffs

[hollow lagoon]

i doubt u can win this

[tropic summit]

might aswell just speed it up instead and get a backup B2 bursting

[ancient sun]

I struggle to get to phase 2 xdd

[hollow lagoon]

can u shatter first slipper atleast?

[ancient sun]

yes

Ein is based

[hollow lagoon]

eah.......

wanna let me try it?

[gaunt pulsar]

you probably looking at 241 clear without cindy/crown, cp is just too low to deal with that boss

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon there you go

[rustic sandal]

Damn. He's fight MC with the same deficit as me but I'm stuck in Chapter 31 boss.

[ancient sun]

what teams I should be looking for to use? Maybe supplement with Mast? Or just keep investing into my existing set up?

[hollow lagoon]

[rustic sandal]

I wanna full OL my Crown to lower the deficit.

[hollow lagoon]

31 boss is which?

[rustic sandal]

CC #3

[tropic summit]

btw hilarious misindom on their SWHA

[hollow lagoon]

that thing is just rng no?

[ancient sun]

31 is crystal chamber

[rustic sandal]

Because the devs decided it's funny to spam the same boss three times in a span of 5 chapters.

[ancient sun]

xD

[tropic summit]

it's called budget design, re-use assets without having to make new ones = easy fillers little costs

[rustic sandal]

It sucks. I hate fighting it. I shoot the L side and the R side pops out and destroys my cover. Or my unit just randomly dies.

[gaunt pulsar]

nothing bad on working on ein or lib, you could use them on that boss if you get cindy, and ein would be especially helpful for missilis tower, vesti isn't needed there obv. and i'm not sure if mast will be the play here, but you could potentially try rrh+nayuta+ein+lib+mmast

[hollow lagoon]

i can try it for you kek, cant be worse than doing rebuild vulcan

[ancient sun]

I beat it with this set up. VestiTU here is unironically good because the defense on this boss is so high on top of deficit

[gaunt pulsar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSmU0c4xxBA my kill on your sync, notes in the description. but I had cindy and sdoro + heavier invest

[tropic summit]

yeah that's dumb, get lib more atk% or pad it out

if you can't lethal cindy it's bayover due to deficit

[ancient sun]

alright I got it

[rustic sandal]

Tell me about it.

[hollow lagoon]

i was chill doing normal mode so i obliterate

[hollow lagoon]

pure joy

[ancient sun]

yo that's sick bro. Without Crown is very tough

[hollow lagoon]

i was playing my friend's account for that shit

[rustic sandal]

The amount of times I was like:

PLEASE I-FRAME THIS PLEASE I-FRAME THIS PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[leaden canyon]

What if I use vesti?

[tropic summit]

as long as you can prevent them bursting she might be fine

[hollow lagoon]

the iframe shit is so inconsistant cuz i used a bunch of snipers kek

[vapid lake]

it blows my mind when that there is entire other f-ing region to unlock after valley 4, the game launched with almost too much content, its overwhelming

[tropic summit]

it's because you're trying to clear this within a week, just take it easy for once this isn't nikke

[rustic sandal]

Trying to find old photos be like:

[vapid lake]

im a factorio enjoyer i want to unlock all the factory stuff now

i've been skipping literally all the side content and shit that gets in the way of the factory game

[hollow lagoon]

quit nikke when?

[gaunt pulsar]

I think I was 5th in my bracket who cleared it at that time, i was pushing hard and saving alot but way lower cp clears are possible, just need to have right units and right invest +|| asian dna in your veins lol||

[leaden canyon]

If vesti is ever avaliable shes just better for me because my lib isn't that built

[hollow lagoon]

i was....? i dont know

[ancient sun]

wtf is this defence in ph2

also congrats. very wp

[leaden canyon]

That was also with biscuit burst

[tropic summit]

also realized we bursted with nayuta... swapping crown with nayuta probably would've retained lethal

that's why you were no longer lethal

[leaden canyon]

ah yeah maybe

[hollow lagoon]

@ancient sun my friend pulled cindy right before dis boss

[tropic summit]

either way it worked with vesti, will keep it in mind for next times

[leaden canyon]

Vesti doesn't even care about which b2 bursts though

[tropic summit]

ye ridicolous anti deficit unit, amazing

real whel killer unit

[hollow lagoon]

su please nerf vesti i feel threatened

dont listen to the non paying customers

[tropic summit]

it's hilarious it's a unit designed for underdogs to snipe even on deficit, goes against SU policy

[ancient sun]

No she is tresh. Buff pls

[gritty ridge]

Its a good thing im a paying customer

Now let me in your bracket

[gaunt pulsar]

it's very gimmicky mc puts 4 shields on itself and you essentially have to have enough attack/buffs that allow you to break through first one with 1 strong shot when he pulls out one of the spikes/ so called slippers, was easier for me to do with sdoro, but can be done with red hood and others too, after first shield is done subsequent ones are way easier to destroy, this phase just destroys your dps, and even though there 37s lefts to the fight, i realistically only had a few left, because after that he puts 4 shields on itself again

[hollow lagoon]

ok

[gritty ridge]

I synced up 508 levels btw

Just to lyk

[hollow lagoon]

shiet

can i even gap u?

[gritty ridge]

At sync 853?

I wouldnt think so

[ancient sun]

sounds braindead because it's ultimately CP and dmg check

I reckon RH will be good to burst with for that first spike

[hollow lagoon]

i'm 593

[gritty ridge]

I didnt remember your sync so I just went for a big number

[leaden canyon]

How did this even happen, she shouldn't be getting shot in p5 right? shes just taking SWHA passive damage like the rest of the team right?

[hollow lagoon]

i guess i gotta do it for the greater good

[gritty ridge]

[ancient sun]

[gritty ridge]

It must be nice to be able to sit on levels

[hollow lagoon]

what do i need sync for anyway?

solo raid mesum and the bit of tower that's left?

[gritty ridge]

Bro ive gotta push all the way to cc in hardmode

[hollow lagoon]

ur 508 u should be behemoth clear...

[glad meteor]

Sniper target p5 on offense

[gritty ridge]

So true

[leaden canyon]

Idk if I knew that before tbh

[tropic summit]

she's taking SR dmg (helmt and SWHA), although it does look too much for 2 snipers, i think he's running her without chest piece

[gritty ridge]

I wonder how long itd take to hit my sync cap with the daily dust pack

[leaden canyon]

I probably did and just forgot

[leaden canyon]

tf

[hollow lagoon]

forever?i'm barely over half

[tropic summit]

remember their weird indom priority? he might've been messing with it on purpose for that

ironically this is actually backfiring because you can abuse that like we're doing now

[hollow lagoon]

also i dont buy the daily dust pack no more

[hollow lagoon]

i feel like come new chapter ill prob clear it 621 anyway

non zero chance 601 clear

[gritty ridge]

Ill clear it sync 201

[hollow lagoon]

i wish i;'m that good

[leaden canyon]

Wow, did he do this just to mess with me in pvp? because pve wise why tf wouldn't you just overload it

[tropic summit]

either both your SRs have 40%atk or noway you hit that hard within 2RL

[hollow lagoon]

did me a new banner

[leaden canyon]

Left is helm and right is SWHA

[hollow lagoon]

i wish my swha is that good

[leaden canyon]

helm core 7, SWHA mlb

[leaden canyon]

I am throwing rocks at her for 12 lines

[hollow lagoon]

that ammo on helm is brick tho big sad

[leaden canyon]

yeah trying to get it off later

[tropic summit]

oh wowie they're pretty strong on their own then

[hollow lagoon]

my helm is only 2 ele

sad universe noises

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon maybe you're really just hitting THAT hard afterall?

[hollow lagoon]

i also have 12 lines but i have def

[leaden canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1043049822648803418/1305095570263773194/IMG_5876.gif

[hollow lagoon]

the not sure what i do next kind of deal

roll the line 2 def?

touch the line 1 black charge damage?

mysteries in life dude

if i roll the def into a ele it could be my very first 4 ele character

i could also cheap out and roll the low charge damage and ele a bit higher and call it a day

[spiral onyx]

Would

[lavish lintel]

Other than the level difference... Is there a way for me to beat this?

[hollow lagoon]

slow cindy

or

moran noah helm swha ada

[spiral onyx]

Nooooo, my punching bag test dummy got shuffled into a different Rookie Arena group somehow

We are literally one account ID apart too

[tropic summit]

blanc rumani biscuit midhara cindy
noah biscuit vestiTU helmT
noah biscuit SWHA RH helmT

[ancient sun]

It happened to me as well. From the beginning of the game, I was always in one bracket and then, last week, suddenly I can't find a single guy I know xD

[hollow lagoon]

u sure u want mihara before cindy tho?

[tropic summit]

helm will kill midhara at 2RL

[hollow lagoon]

right i forget how it targets

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

I mean I usually send it into links and it ded

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1453866489747603496/Cari-Kitty-Window.gif

Waiting for box

[lavish lintel]

Whose the fifth in the 2nd team? And whats SWHA

[hollow lagoon]

⬜ ❄️ 🏋️‍♂️ 🦾

[tulip quest]

Nice roll ur goal is 4 ele I suggest rolling the def line on Armor for ELE

[versed mesa]

What OL lines should I target with Rosanna? Still a ways off from using her but got her a blue doll finally.

[hollow lagoon]

Rather have crit so I can be meme tier 3 ele forever

[tropic summit]

helm treasure, snow white heavy arms

[hollow lagoon]

Aww Man U made it too easy

[vapid lake]

@shell hazel this is very satisfying

[hollow lagoon]

Holy crap I can actually run this

[lavish lintel]

Ohh

[hollow lagoon]

U need CS on jackal and vesti 5% vesti and 15% jackal?

If u have it u can try this

[umbral crown]

Lets hope he stays with you in SP at least

[tropic summit]

a very sirenable blanc in p1

other 2 teams are fine, fix T1

[hollow lagoon]

I forget things

[hollow lagoon]

I never tried the 2rl Nayuta on redhood, is it Killy?

[tropic summit]

it's annoying enough to be worth running

costs a slow cindy or a noah or a risky indom

[hollow lagoon]

What would be the counter?

[tropic summit]

or ofc always rosanna

[hollow lagoon]

So it’s Killy Eah

[tropic summit]

it does it's job at costing resources

[hollow lagoon]

Cost a Noah? So you are saying Noah can manage to block it?

The initial Nayuta aoe that is

[tropic summit]

she doesn't but nayuta isn't lethal on RH buff

noah biscuit archetype will survive

generally between 40-60%HP

that team works best with a p5 splasher like emi or vestiTU

then it's risky for p2 and p3 if they're unprotected or needed units

which adds difficulty in clearing that team

[hollow lagoon]

What if the cursed version

Could lethal non water units no?

Even if only 2 of them

[tropic summit]

ye rosanna + nayuta will kill attackers pre B3

assuming no CS% advantage, nayuta is applied before noah and blanc is applied

just make it natural 2RL so it's not abusable with low hitters

[hollow lagoon]

but

cursedness

[tropic summit]

keep in mind unlinked rosanna can be countered by SWHA to drop her cloak and drastically reduce dmg either way

[hollow lagoon]

i still dont understand how linking rosa makes her keep cloak

[tropic summit]

linked rosa isn't damaged directly because of damage share

it doesn't count as being "hit" so she won't lose cloak

[hollow lagoon]

i wonder if its worth it to make my jackal natural 15% without adjutant

[tropic summit]

be keripo, make everyone 20%+

then you'll be always bursting before most opponents

some matchups where you'd lose, you'd suddenly win

exception would be mirror indoms, then you'd lose more often, but that's realistically less important

[hollow lagoon]

welp natural 15%

oof that cp dorp

man i really should start trying to get my rls to 15

i'm mostly on 8-11 range

[thin perch]

What beats this team?

[tropic summit]

• jackal scarlet laplacet blanc centi
• rosanna jackal vestiTU helmT noah (rosanna linked and built)

[hollow lagoon]

poke it with rosana

[thin perch]

Thank you that worked

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit in general what's the best way to live swha's burst, in ca my salad was keeled

[tropic summit]

theoretically you can't kite SWHA

[hollow lagoon]

moran dies to it aaaaaaaa

[tropic summit]

the closest attempt i've seen was from Dair's moran anchorIM trina helmt biscuit

[tropic summit]

swha will win that trade

[hollow lagoon]

yep

but will the swha version live a indom vesti is what i'm wondering

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

vestiTU + blanc + ada no
vestiTU + blanc only ye

[hollow lagoon]

then salad is basically dead then

[tropic summit]

i dunno if there's anyone who can live vesti + blanc + ada

[hollow lagoon]

no

dont think so

[tropic summit]

you'd need somehow to land biscuit stacks twice on a defender and outlive indom by invulnerability

but biscuit will be ded before 2nd stack is applied

[hollow lagoon]

assuming

the swha version live vesti indom with blanc only then that's good nuff for me

[gaunt sentinel]

guys i asking in team building but help me made def arena team to replace my old one is this good enough?

[tropic summit]

T1 is very rosanna weak, but at least okish
T2 i assume it expects you to have vestiTU with CS%, even then it won't be 2RL
T3 is bad

[gaunt sentinel]

i need help

[tropic summit]

if those were def teams, you can probably do better
if those were specific attack teams it's a different story

[gaunt sentinel]

need one for def team last time i change def team is june last year

btw what is good invested rosana are?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi helmt rh noir
• jackal vestiTU drakeT blanc trina
• noise siren swha lib noah

Notes

• finish dolls on utilities
• finish laplaceT, can then sub noir for her in T1

[tropic summit]

rosanna needs 7/10/10 40%atk 40%ele doll SR15 to be efficiently killing units

[tropic summit]

post your box and i can see what teams you can run
you can post in this format: #pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi helmT RH emilia
• jackal vestiTU laplaceT blanc trina
• noise rouge swha siren noah

Notes

• centi and rumani need doll
• biscuit needs SR5

Once rumani is built, can sub rouge for natural 2RL in T3

[gaunt sentinel]

is sr 0 ok for rumani and centi?

[tropic summit]

no, R15 into SR5, never SR0

waste of resources

[gaunt sentinel]

i always sr 0....

[tropic summit]

[gaunt sentinel]

r for combine

hey it works i got 40 SR 15

[tropic summit]

there's a problemo with your T3, if lappy is ded who makes burst gen? your sister?

[hollow lagoon]

my sister i guess

[tropic summit]

fix it...

[gaunt sentinel]

sir done sr 5 biscuit

[hollow lagoon]

p5 label?

[tropic summit]

rosanna and helmt will still kill lappy

the attacker is the sacc in that team

[gaunt sentinel]

sir this is why i hate r 0 to sr 5

[tropic summit]

there's a reason rumani is core part of slow cindy

clip RL + defender

[hollow lagoon]

life too hard back to kekw

[tropic summit]

ye that's better

[tropic summit]

do what you're more comfortable with

[hollow lagoon]

do u think sac rosa scar is better than sac sg?

i could run this but it feels less enlightening

[gaunt sentinel]

btw for rumani and centi si r0 enough?

[tropic summit]

SR5 is most unit stopping point recommended

R15 is passable

[tropic summit]

that's too boring for your standards

lacks spice indeed

albeit they're good teams

[gaunt sentinel]

centi also rumani all sr 5 sir

[tropic summit]

good, sub rouge for rumani

noise rumani swha siren noah

quantum 7 on noah and rumani and you've yourself a 2RL swha noah team

with stun pressure and noise b1

doubles as anti enemy noah (p1-p2) if you've noah taunt priority

else noise taunt priority is fine

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit

[hollow lagoon]

i dont have nuff clip rls

[tropic summit]

show T1, i think it's time to beat that one

[gaunt sentinel]

also sir i got 3 quantum slot left which unit should i equip it?

[tropic summit]

tired of dealing with his tantrums on T3

[leaden canyon]

I mean we have tried a few times but we will see

[tropic summit]

i'm gonna CP pad it if it needs to

[tropic summit]

bit of a test T2, let's see the timing

cubes

noah tempering
biscuit vigor
swha tempering
ada any
noise vigor

rumani tempering
VestiTU any
emi any
laplaceT any
nayuta any

show CP before running

might need to sacc lappy

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit i can only roll this in theory, my anis dont have nuff invest to live anything but noise expand hp and helm life steal with nayuta sharing the healing she gets could be interesting

[tropic summit]

that's a lot of extra steps to get a scarlet sacc

and i don't rly like T4

[hollow lagoon]

me neither

[tropic summit]

your previous teams were better

[hollow lagoon]

its spicy but feels too cope

[tropic summit]

spicy is one thing, weaker is another

[hollow lagoon]

yeah

prob just gonna run the previous set

[tropic summit]

ye seems more reasonable

[hollow lagoon]

tis a shame tho its not too different from my current set with the only real difference being rapunzel tech

[tropic summit]

20% deficit against moran + noah + lib... not sure rumani lives, put lappy in p1 and rumani in p3 for now

[leaden canyon]

k, lap has tempering on

[tropic summit]

also wait a min... you're on deficit in t2

he's CP padding 3 teams now...? are you for real

[leaden canyon]

yeah his cindy is a huge cp booster

That thing is core 7 and has to be all black lines

[tropic summit]

need 1950k for T3 i guess we gotta do that one instead

if we hit non deficit you should be able to outlive nayuta RH buffed B2

[leaden canyon]

I wonder with enough snipers we can just kill hood before burst

[tropic summit]

forgot to move rumani, final draft

[spiral onyx]

Doesn't always matter, a 20% faster rock still loses against paper. RNGesus ain't care about your stats when it comes to matchups

[tropic summit]

true... RNGesus is the ultimate boss

[tropic summit]

yeah die moran...

took 300 years but you got him

on f*ing deficit

[leaden canyon]

If he chhanges this team next, thhat means hes in here

Because he NEVER changes that team

[tropic summit]

honestly, we still had jackal open... could've spared getting your p1 dying

but well the timing was perfect

thank you ele weak lib on deficit

[rustic sandal]

Could work.

[tropic summit]

the gap master

[rustic sandal]

It's the easiest way to win.

[spiral onyx]

I honestly think we've gotten to the point where CA winners (in my bracket at least) are determined almost solely by RNG now. Investment gaps have all mostly been fixed and everyone running copy pasted templates that don't show anything new.

[hollow lagoon]

and i thought i gapped hard

[tropic summit]

yeah that gamemode was meant to become stale

[hollow lagoon]

cindy deserve doll of purple

[tropic summit]

as long as everyone can copy pasta and it's based on RNG and win ratios, it won't be fun

[leaden canyon]

Honestly you are insane

[rustic sandal]

Next Solo Raid. Had to Prio Red Hood, HelmT, and Libe.

[hollow lagoon]

even my comps are getting less cursed

[leaden canyon]

I never thought that team would die

[tropic summit]

tbh you were always close to kill noah, only needed emi to help out

nayuta kinda contributed too

[leaden canyon]

Will be even juicier when surface content stats come into play

[spiral onyx]

Everyone copying my XSoline-X-VestiT-Emilia-Laplace setup and a good number also running my Moran-Lib-Helm-Mana-Noah setup

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

[spiral onyx]

XSoline isn't even in Nikke.top still

[umbral crown]

that libe mana noah is strong, lost to that

[tropic summit]

tbh i think it's more likely some other asian lads came up with similar ideas, the number of combos you can run are actually quite limited if you think about it

[umbral crown]

buti instead they added label

[leaden canyon]

Oh thats where that team came from, damn you keripo I lost to that

[spiral onyx]

Could be, I know at least CN watches all my videos and borrows from them

[tropic summit]

oh i don't doubt that, it's easier to copypasta than cook on your own sadly

[rustic sandal]

When is Solo Raid coming? I'm having a hard time fighting the urge to turn the purple SG and MG dolls into a purple RL doll.

[hollow lagoon]

1-2 weeks after union raid

union raid is the upcoming thursday reset?

[rustic sandal]

Damn. That's long.

[spiral onyx]

Which one, XSoline or Mana? Cause both combos didn't appear in any CA teams til after the first time I used them afaik

Lot of people still don't use Mana and I've also replaced her already with Label

[hollow lagoon]

i glaze my mana and i stopped using her

i was going to last ca

but rail spanked me out of it

[spiral onyx]

She was more valuable when people weren't as invested and there were 2.5RL teams

Now with everyone fully invested with dolls and 2RL teams, plus full stall team being not strong enough anymore, Mana's value goes down

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor @quick lake @swift mango @placid bloom @worthy knoll you guys know how viper burst chooses its target?

what's the logic for choosing emilia here?

[leaden canyon]

The mana one

Some one some how got their hands on that team in my bracket lol

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

not familiar with that skill i legit don't know the reasoning behind it

inb4 it's random targetting

[umbral crown]

to me its the one she is targeting

[leaden canyon]

It was Cryo from ghosts

[spiral onyx]

It works if you're running C0 Moran or Noah

[tropic summit]

so if i understand right

SGs are shooting p5
rumani burst happens, SGs switch from p5 to p4, but they shoot emilia?

i'm confusion.

[rustic sandal]

Maybe stage target is the one with highest CP. Or maybe the middle unit.

[leaden canyon]

Thats what it was for this CA

[tropic summit]

nah it's the "affects 1 designated enemy unit"

skills with stage target don't trigger in arena so you can ignore that part

[hollow lagoon]

Which of your comp died to it

[rustic sandal]

So, it just picks randomly or it doesn't activate at all?

[spiral onyx]

Hmm, Mana doesn't help here.Moran shouldn't need it and if it's against a SG Rosana team, Mana's rez will get dispelled

[tropic summit]

stage target skills don't activate at all

because stage target does not exist in arena

same goes for skills that change if raptures are present, like lib

[leaden canyon]

I dont remember

[rustic sandal]

Hmm. I see. I get it
doesn't get it at all

[tropic summit]

gonna wait for the experts to reply, hopefully they know

[umbral crown]

it counters vesti in some way

[umbral crown]

but tbh.. i do not know

[spiral onyx]

The only value Mana adds in that setup is if your Moran or Lib are under-invested and risk dying before 2RL

[tropic summit]

i pinged some veterans let's see

[spiral onyx]

And burst gen

[leaden canyon]

Oh I think it went against my vesti team so lib for sure died quick

[umbral crown]

for example like this, my high ele vesti killed libe fast but at the end they bursted with her since mana revivied

[leaden canyon]

I dont really remember though

[tropic summit]

non indom vestiTU tho right?

[spiral onyx]

Oh yeah full Tactical Vesti setup, Mana counters

[umbral crown]

nope, i am on absolute team now

[spiral onyx]

But I'm surprised someone would run that in CA

[tropic summit]

then ye she'd die because lib revives behind shield and has time to land nuke

[spiral onyx]

It's super weak

Cheap but weak.

[umbral crown]

yep

team will sure get more popular

since people are starting to run absolute team

[gritty ridge]

Chat, can we get another pvp b3

[umbral crown]

Hansel and Gretel, trust

[fast nest]

I hope we can skip Velvet

[tropic summit]

we need carries like SWHA and vestiTU but for wind and iron

[spiral onyx]

I actually just want another Blanc or Noah.

[tropic summit]

it's gonna trivialize SP arena

the more of those units they release the more the defense breaks

[spiral onyx]

Part of the reason for the current RPS is that Blanc and Noah exists, and they almost guarantee wins for those 2 teams. So you end up with 3 uncertain teams that becomes a pure RPS

[spiral onyx]

That's true too

[tropic summit]

for CA it will still remain a matter of RNG

i only can see it unhealthy releasing more of those units, unless they actually give defense more tools to work with and that are defense only restricted

[spiral onyx]

All I know is that I'm pretty sure a couple other people will be getting their 10 win frame before me in NA cause of easier brackets

[tropic summit]

[spiral onyx]

C7 pantyhose thighs, LFGGGG

[polar valley]

@tropic summit GOOD NEWS! LETS GET BACK TO WORK IN PVP

FINALLY 😭😭🙏

[tropic summit]

they're getting really good at drawing feet... i wonder if someone from GF2 switched team in the dev team

[spiral onyx]

Wait, they screwed up the pantyhose design. The seam line is supposed to be down the side of the leg, not the front of it.

[tropic summit]

you're... quite knowlegable on the topic

[spiral onyx]

It's usually either on the back or the side

Front seam is... Unusual

[polar valley]

Whats jackal good at @tropic summit

[polar valley]

@tropic summit ?

[noble python]

I’m not Rail but She keeps your 2 highest attack units alive using her buff Jumpin Jackal Flash

And you can check to see who your 2 highest attack units are by going into Union Shooting Range with the team

And checking for the Jumpin Jackal Flash buff on your units

[polar valley]

So basically, like Nayuta but better?

[gritty ridge]

No

[noble python]

No

Jackal just gives the 2 highest attack units a defense buff

[gritty ridge]

Jackal links 2 units with the highest atk at battle start. These 3 share health and become harder to kill, on top of providing extra burst gen when one of these units is hit

[noble python]

This ^

[gritty ridge]

This link can be very helpful for keeping a unit in p1 alive til burst or for managing healths for indom. However, it can become a detriment when going against units like helm because she will nuke one of the links and kill all 3

[polar valley]

So basically behaves better than Noah?

[gritty ridge]

No

[polar valley]

._.

[gritty ridge]

Entirely different roles

[polar valley]

Can u summarise?

[gritty ridge]

Noah?

[polar valley]

No, jackal

Because i need to understand her

Before putting her in absolute tu squad

[gritty ridge]

She links your 3 highest atk nikke. They now have the health of all 3 combined. When one of them is hit you gain extra gen

[polar valley]

Or any

[noble python]

This

[gritty ridge]

She does not make them invulnerable or immune to dmg

[polar valley]

If that so,

What she do? Only buff?

[gritty ridge]

I-

She links their health

[polar valley]

I see

So i assume, to use jackal must have good pairs? And not compatible for Absolute TU squad?

[gritty ridge]

Jackal doesnt particularly need good pairs

I wouldnt use her in absolute trio tho

[polar valley]

But obviously not compatible to use trio abs with her right?

[spiral onyx]

Jackal best links with counter effect units like Scarlet and Emma

[polar valley]

Aight

[gritty ridge]

Emma has a counter?

[spiral onyx]

Emma heals on getting hit

[gritty ridge]

Ah ok

[spiral onyx]

But that doesn't mean you should run the pair in current PvP meta

Like Biscuit 's original ideal pairing was with SAnis

Now she just gets used for her indom passive effect

[gritty ridge]

She lets me bully the leviathans

[north brook]

Think biscuit was more designed to work with nero with less dr

Bisc sanis was really not ever that good, was at best an existing synergy just because sanis is a supporter

Sanis really needed noah to buy time and stop instant nukes

[swift mango]

You are a whale with high research+core. You should benefit the most from using Absolute, but you ditch it instead?

[spiral onyx]

From my testing, there's too many setups that counter it. Including 4 of my 5 teams at the time lol

Plus you forget that I'm in the most competitive bracket

Almost everyone in CA now has full SR15 dolls and probably full +5 OLs

The core and research advantage isn't much anymore compared to rock paper scissors element

It's been 20 CAs after all. Any whale or dolphin with an interest in PvP should have all their main PvP units fully invested by now

Gone are the days of "that team should have lost but managed to win anyways cause of investment diff"

[swift mango]

Well those are normal. Not everyone use teams that counter Vesti absolute. And afaik only Biscuit and Nayuta p1-2 hard counter it. The rest could be beaten with enough investment into core/research/crit/atk

Comparing to your enemy

It's why more people use Noise linked though.

[spiral onyx]

The other thing is that even if I ran team Absolute, it wouldn't actually free up any units to improve my other teams. My current Vesti team is XSoline, MAnchor, VestiT, Emilia, and Laplace+. Of these, maybe Emilia could be moved to a different team, but we have plenty of burst gen battery now that that's not an issue

[swift mango]

Yeah, absolute is just rouge option in my opinion, not meta. It's depend on your enemy investment and positioning.
Plus older bracket has Emi.

[spiral onyx]

My VestiT is also already 4x CS + 4x Atk. My union will kill me if I spent 200 rocks rolling crit 3rd line x4 on her lol

I only just recently got Bastian and Resilience lvl 11 lol. But my "bricked" count is still the highest of everyone

[swift mango]

My resilience was the first cube to 11 but I won't level Bastion pass 8-9 anytime soon.

[spiral onyx]

Actually probably more than 200 since you want high crit rolls but want to maintain the existing high CS rolls

[north brook]

Tbh ya better to 15 resil and leave bastion 5 than balance them

Balance is more qol for ppl maxed resil

[swift mango]

Well, you could try absolute for a season if you wanted to adventure.

It's all up to luck in the end. Jackal linked without Noise or healer. Nayuta SG but not p1-2. You could meet them and auto win.

Plus Vesti crit every hit

[swift mango]

Sometime you may need bastion with 5 slot.

Level 5 doesn't have the slot

[umbral crown]

thats also true

[swift mango]

That's just too much to invest lol I would rather just keep Ele and hoped I met wind units.

[umbral crown]

im kinda to the point of removing ele to get atk and some crit

[spiral onyx]

I'm happy with the win rates for my current matrix, but ultimately it's still RPS. Most new cooks I've tried all end up much worse or marginally better than the SG team but using units that would break existing teams or making the overall 5 team win rates worse

[umbral crown]

keripo, how you feel your vesti against wind units when your build is mostly atk + cs

[spiral onyx]

There are teams I've tested with higher win rates but they are so expensive that the teams you can build using remaining units end up being really bad win rate and it becomes not worth

Those get revisited when we get new "enabler" units like SWHA which can burst AND provide burst gen

[keen vapor]

What's this yapping

[spiral onyx]

Only team that I consider elemental for is SG team

[umbral crown]

i see, the rest i guess you go for atk and another line usefull for the unit

[spiral onyx]

Tell me, how does elemental help other teams

Except for SG and VestiT, autos don't matter

[umbral crown]

i do not have an answer for that, was just asking cuz my vesti is high ele and decent cs but since i have no atk was just considering removing the ele lines for attack

[raven plover]

moran centi priv treasure

not sure if zwei treasure useful

@covert lintel finally priv treasure

[umbral crown]

and nobody trusted me when i said moran treasure

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/i-trust-you-kaulder-vin-diesel-the-last-witch-hunter-lionsgate-gif-18245887

looks like I cant indom priv if needed 😭

[umbral crown]

we trusted the dino in her skin

[rich ledge]

Wow a pvp update

My Moran has 0 stars

[umbral crown]

now centi treasure might be interesting

moran c4 and centi c2 with max doll, im ready

[swift mango]

Scarlet counter.
Enough ELE so you don't need buff to wipe a tanky team key unit like Rapu

ReiT used to need ELE to beat Nero team with one buff

It's niche but it's there

[north brook]

Why are they buffing moran xd

[swift mango]

Who is in bottom left

[north brook]

Centi

Only know cuz they said her name in the announce

[umbral crown]

because she is a queen

[umbral crown]

Centi

units getting skins its the sign for treasures

[swift mango]

@unique wagon Now it's safe to put Centi and Trina in same tier. Maybe Centi would reach SSS even.

[umbral crown]

now is safe...

[north brook]

Still need to see what they do

[umbral crown]

en fin... la hipotenusa

[north brook]

Cuz it could be barely anything or it could be breaks unit

[swift mango]

Zwei, Moran, Privaty, Centi

They could all be Arena relevant. This treasure batch is expensive.

[placid bloom]

every time Centi full charge, give team 1s invin just don't run out of ammo

[north brook]

Need to give my priv her skill books back

[placid bloom]

that fix her kit

[sinful berry]

Imagine if Moran gets a 20s cd and becomes usable outside pvp

[keen vapor]

Or they could be Bay anyways, what Moran can improve on

[placid bloom]

Moran can heal 10x at low HP instead of 3x

[swift mango]

Even add dmg is improvement.

[rustic sandal]

Centi and Moran about to destroy PvP.

[raven plover]

finally helm lifesteal sogut

[north brook]

Would be nice if centi got a burst that did something

[swift mango]

I could see this happening if it's only during full burst.

Basically Scarlet SSS tier again.

And every slow burster a tier down

Aside from Vesti

[placid bloom]

Priv 10s stun

[swift mango]

Yeah new meta would make all slow burster into the trash can.

[umbral crown]

privaty stunning longer against a slow cindy

[rustic sandal]

Oh man. I just got over my pain in PvP, now they're gonna double down on it.

[spiral onyx]

Oh shi--- this is the new treasures?
Moran and Privaty, LFGGGG

[rustic sandal]

I don't even have Zwei, Centi, and Moran.

Priv is 0LB.

[spiral onyx]

Wait, Centi too

[rustic sandal]

WTF IS THIS?!!

[spiral onyx]

Oldschoolers remember the old Privaty stun meta

[pastel owl]

how to improve privaty without making her broken/useless

[north brook]

If priv gets real dmg and some burst gen mbe shes meta now

[umbral crown]

yess, we going for moran first. wonder how they will make her treasure...

[north brook]

Need so many more doll mats now

[spiral onyx]

Ngl, Moran looks super cute there

[umbral crown]

will be new besto lobby

she loves Dinos

it matches the book she is holding

[swift mango]

I for once, the first batch I could safely use my mileage for Noah.

[umbral crown]

no besto shieldo mlb yet?

[keen vapor]

But Zwei

[swift mango]

Every treasure batch after I got her I had to spend 1-2 for treasure dupe

[umbral crown]

now your new cook with privaty .. maybe her stuns time goes x2 and now stun meta

[swift mango]

Got her

[umbral crown]

imagine tixing treasures units other than helm....

[worn ridge]

It seems moran would destroy pvp time to upgrade that doll

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/W-DqLGRgbBo?si=itfMYvZJ7i9JL99J

I really look forward to Centi and Privaty upgrades

[swift mango]

My helm is core 6 now and I have 2 selection mileage left

[keen vapor]

I don't have 2 limit breaks on her

[umbral crown]

[spiral onyx]

Centi goes from being a pure battery to... Something more I guess

[rustic sandal]

I don't even have her.

[swift mango]

Not me. We don't know if she's useful anyway

[spiral onyx]

And Privaty returns as the PvP queen

[umbral crown]

i should have bought her skin

[spiral onyx]

Maybe

[worn ridge]

Honestly i think she is just gonna be like julia treasure

[swift mango]

Oh wait, I'm not very sure either lemme check

[umbral crown]

probably

[worn ridge]

Privaty and moran are top priority

[umbral crown]

i never felt like building her but maybe its time

but for now just gonna go for moran and centi

the rest can wait

but since her bond is 30 ,she just need a max doll

Moran and privaty it is then

[swift mango]

Same I don't have either. I guess it's fine to skip Zwei.

Just like Poli

[worn ridge]

But how could u upgrade centi she is just a battery

[placid bloom]

my Zwei have the most copies out of the 4

[graceful grotto]

zwei is the only one i don't have mlb

priv and centi been sitting at c3 for awhile now

[umbral crown]

Favorite Item Update

In 2026, we plan to introduce Favorite Item updates twice—in February and July.

maybe moran and zwei next month, the rest in July

[spiral onyx]

Is this the return of Team RePrivaty???
https://youtu.be/eeJWEXq2CzU?si=rZ1rLJXEEx-7eSTo

[keen vapor]

Oi

[umbral crown]

we love pvp here

[placid bloom]

no they literally wrote in the dev note those 4 get favorite item in Feb

[swift mango]

It's more about adding another batch not spitting 1 batch.

[umbral crown]

was just saying...

[worn ridge]

Ofc but how could you upgrade it for pvp ? Atk buffs maybe?

[umbral crown]

summer treasures

[umbral crown]

do not know, i will let SU handle that

[placid bloom]

it's easy

current kit: s1 reduce s2 cooldown by 7% per full charge shot, s2 is 9s cd trash shield
new kit: s1 reduce s2 cooldown by 8s, s2 give your entire team 1s invin

[umbral crown]

[silent torrent]

could someone help me make some teams for arena with what I've got? sorry for such a huge question, i do want to learn about pvp and know barely anything about it as mine must be godawful since no thought went into them besides some extremely basic knowledge such as jackal good, why is she good, no idea honestly I guess burst charge since it seems pretty important but Ive basically no idea

[placid bloom]

make her most broken PvP unit

[spiral onyx]

Truely a return of Privaty meta. Maybe Harran will also get a treasure... Oh wait...

[placid bloom]

as long as you don't run out of ammo you can't lose

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-laugh-you-go-to-hell-they-still-laughing-if-you-laugh-gif-11539776701605221451

[umbral crown]

imagine a team 2 RL with soda and privaty

soda stops noah noise and privaty the rest of the team

[placid bloom]

if you have 26% cs Helm you can even Priv burst before Mermaid stun

[umbral crown]

thats crazy

[swift mango]

Very old team video

[placid bloom]

then again there's no reason not to Jackal p1 without a better B1

but this team still too expensive outside of rookie

though maybe Noah not necessary depending on Priv stun duration

unless you really scared of getting Vesti tapped

[spiral onyx]

Back before #pvp-arena even existed. Only took me 2 years of lobbying to convince the CMs to create this channel

[umbral crown]

Keripo our savior

[swift mango]

2 years
Maybe I came to this discord just in time

[placid bloom]

maybe this team weak to Scar counter too, AR + SWHA on link seem like dead and also weak to Ros

[umbral crown]

just trust the process

and your investment

[swift mango]

And vesti

[raven plover]

ok bet time to 24cs helm

[spiral onyx]

November 22, 2023. So 2.5 years

[swift mango]

What do you think about the win rate of this set?

[spiral onyx]

What are the charge speeds

Er, burst speeds

[swift mango]

Idk

Just assume 11% team wide then

[spiral onyx]

Is that a Delta sac lmao

[swift mango]

Yes it is

[spiral onyx]

Not a bad strat actually

[swift mango]

She taunt

And water

[spiral onyx]

T1 seems a bit too slow, might legit lose before Blanc burst

T5 looks like a throwaway, not sure if that's actually better than an SG team

[swift mango]

The only instant nuker in the meta now is Scarlet, which Label counter. So it's pretty fool proof

[swift mango]

It's the "Nayuta wipe" team that wipe before same speed Noah shield up. Ofc it's like Vesti absolute to me, defend on investment of both side.

[raven plover]

thank you time to copy this

[short plaza]

yo Moran and centi are getting a favourite item

[raven plover]

privaty

[short plaza]

this wave is super good I like all the choices

[swift mango]

But do you have the high core RH+Nayuta? And high investment on Nayuta but not stealing dispel from helm/RH?

[raven plover]

its ok we trust in lucky match up

wait rapun non link t4 maybe I cant

[swift mango]

My Nayuta suck, I tried Nayuta wipe before in a CA but it's not enough.

[raven plover]

ayo she suck yea

[glad meteor]

They did Moran treasure

It’s over

[swift mango]

I like how Moran and Centi basically free treasure for me

[tropic summit]

sorry i was sleeping, some ppl already asnwered you, here's full answer and some showcase

(1)

• she is one of the best batteries in the game, being clip RL but also enableing a "feed" system, based on bullet counts her and linked unis receive (linked units are the 2 highest atk% in that team when you enter battle, it's static and won't change during battle)

(2)

• linking allows distribution of dmg and receive feed, this is important also for indom purposes

(3)

• linking units ensures lowest HP in the link is generally indommed, under most conditions

i'm attaching a few videos to showcase common scarlet team and example indom

[glad meteor]

My Moran was sr10

Pushed her to 15 just now

But now i wait and see kit before sr15 other units

[umbral crown]

no yet

we gonna get to use her treasure before beta season ends in S30

[umbral crown]

just now,,,

[glad meteor]

[umbral crown]

a tthis point kara, yuo should have had moran and centi max doll

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Depend on how treasure Centi looked like we could finally have a new defensive b2 options or they just keep ignore it.

[glad meteor]

Need 2 zwei dupe, and one centi dupe

[swift mango]

Like they did since bay