pvp-arena

[swift mango]

My Label.

Well, what's consistent in CA except Research level and max core?

[gaunt pulsar]

just filter out unnecessary information at your stage and take it one step at a time, i've used this two when i started https://nikke.gg/arena-pvp/, https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/ and haven't even read them completely, just got some basic info and went further searching for info that i need. Check pins on this channel too.

[unique wagon]

Rosa and Moran will be SS.
Rosa, Nero, Moran get highinvest tag.

[eager mountain]

so the tl placement assumes medicore investment?

[unique wagon]

Considering demoting Noise and Rapu

Maybe Noise only

[coarse lake]

they seem like roughly same tier to me tbh, depends how much you wanna count rapu stun

[unique wagon]

Rapus main attraction needs SolineFT and Nero anw who are fellow A-S tiers so quite picky

[coarse lake]

which is more difficult the higher your invest

[unique wagon]

But Noise doesnt do much nowadays

I think both are pretty equal to RH B1 in Sp anyway

[coarse lake]

for sp yes

[unique wagon]

For CA?

[coarse lake]

hard to say, not against moving them both down

[modern heath]

thx

do i just throw jakal biscuit and scarlet into the same team and call it a day?

or does it not work like that

[unique wagon]

Im not demoting Rumani if Retro decides Centi is SS

[coarse lake]

I knew this would happen

yeah if centi is ss then rumani is ss

well

depends how much value you wanna give to rumani for being the second best b1 clip rl

[unique wagon]

If Centi is S, Rumani can be demoted. If only BayTr Trina in SS and at most Centi, I can consider Moran Rosa SS

[coarse lake]

I will say, I've had a few seasons where I didn't use noise or rapu

never without rumani afaik

[unique wagon]

I think Nayu S Nero A is what im targeting

[eager mountain]

without talking about gen, rumani as back up b1 was way more valuable then centi's role as potential back up b2, doesn't necessarily mean they should be diff tier back then, and the gap from there is less relevant today

[coarse lake]

If talking about backup, that's bc b1 that need backup aren't required

[eager mountain]

u dont, throw ur box at rail and maybe he will give u a team. or can simply copy popular teams if u have big enough box and somehow new to pvp

[coarse lake]

Like noise

B2 is crucial, having backup b2 rarely does anything useful

[modern heath]

who/what is rail

[eager mountain]

ye

so i wont set up back up b2 cuz b2 really dont wanna die but b1 is more tolerable so they can take the spot...
in that sense rumani provided the option, NOT centi
tho again the diff is more relevant back then when cindy is still widely used

[eager mountain]

railtracer le savior

its kinda insane that we havent have an insane gamechanging broken b1b2 burst (maybe trina ig but her burst isnt omega broken) since a decade ago while all the sudden we get vesti sw level of broken b3....

[swift mango]

For CA noise is still almost mandatory. RH isn't

If you moved noise down. Rapu and RH need to be downed too.

[unique wagon]

Required ≠ used

[unique wagon]

Mandatory isnt the key to placement

As Keripo said too

[swift mango]

She is useless in DEF team but top tier in CA and great in ATK. Maybe time to split the chart into 3 tier list.

[unique wagon]

No

[swift mango]

But Noise is strong in this Vesti economy. You need tanking P1. And Noise is the only one left. After Moran, Nayuta, Biscuit

RH doesn't do anything

Except dying

[rustic sandal]

Yeah. Sad. Can't maintain it anymore.

[unique wagon]

No

[swift mango]

She doesn't

[unique wagon]

No

[swift mango]

Some whale would use their max core RH in their Moran 2.5RL because Moran alone is enough to protect the team.
It doesn't apply to normal players.

RH is useless unless you are research buying whale

[unique wagon]

Weak Noise also doesn't do anything

[swift mango]

Noise is linked to Jackal now because either lose to Rosa but both good chance to win

And linked Noise is tanking enough Vesti as well same logic with Rosa.

[unique wagon]

Still doesnt do anything if weak

[swift mango]

What weak are you on about? none invested? Same investment link-noise survive, Same investment RH not.

[unique wagon]

Because RH has different use case

[swift mango]

She doesn't

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit yesterdays footage,took too damn long to update e my damn internet

[swift mango]

Only use now is flex in Moran team, mostly for Whale.

So RH do 2nd burst and win

But they need the whale research so the team survive the first burst first.

[unique wagon]

Yes so S tier RH makes sense

Nayuta shud be S tier too

[swift mango]

Doesn't make any sense unless the tier list only for max core research buyer whale.

Against plebs

[unique wagon]

You are the outlier opinion here, so...

And your opinion keeps switching daily.

[swift mango]

What outlier? Asking a random guy if their RH win them CA.

[swift mango]

Wtf?

[unique wagon]

Maybe cus u talk to me a lot you don't rmb ur suggestions on day 1 are diff than day 2 and so on

[swift mango]

Which one?

Give one example

[unique wagon]

Good in CA but bad in SpA cannot be SS+

[swift mango]

I have no opinion on that either. Could be anything.

[unique wagon]

Maybe Ill down Rapu to S because stun Rapu is very attack sided

For Noise im still not sur

Because tank Noise works on def too

[swift mango]

Rapu and Nosie should be same tier

[unique wagon]

In CA yes, in SpA no

[swift mango]

Rapu stun is a tech that's strong in SpA

[unique wagon]

On attack, but on defense it's workaroundable

[swift mango]

Yes, but still annoying nevertheless.

Every team on DEF is beatable so not an argument here

[unique wagon]

Yes so Rapu is S, Noise SS for better flexibility

[high stream]

People in my bracket are fighting so harshly over the top ranks, I'm just sitting in Rank 10 now since a while and keep going higher and higher in the final standing 👀

https://tenor.com/view/anime-uhh-awkward-gif-1115120943304019191

[unique wagon]

I hate Noise more than I hate Rapu

[swift mango]

Like I said Every team on DEF is beatable so it is only about how annoying they are to beat.

[hybrid fox]

@tropic summit lmao

[unique wagon]

Yes so Rapu is S because its not annoying as Noise

[hybrid fox]

also my defeat worked on another dude

[swift mango]

Well, it's depend on your bracket. LD's bracket for example, Rosa and Rapu were more annoying than Jackal and Noise.

[hybrid fox]

oh I copied CN SPVP def

[ivory violet]

What are they running for defense over there?

[hybrid fox]

[swift mango]

I'm not against you putting both to S lol.

That would make Moran, Rosa SS more reasonable

[eager mountain]

huh, got a link?

[swift mango]

Anything that your opponent can't beat. Make new team if they beat you.
Regular line up is 3 x 2rl teams ofc

Vesti, SW, Scarlet-Trina are 3 most common B3.

[unique wagon]

SpA?

[swift mango]

Yeah.

[unique wagon]

Or CA

[ivory violet]

sounds like what I do

[swift mango]

CA is just RNG and overall versatile. Not about annoying to beat lol

[hybrid fox]

[swift mango]

A random unexpected Rapu survive and stun then revive is more annoying than a mildly tanky Noise that we know how she would do.

Unpredictable is the key to catching people off guard in SpA.

Ofc if you had the CP/investment difference, go for the more stable way of tanky Moran and Noise.

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit You around?

[eager mountain]

[fathom rock]

@unique wagon after some backreading

[unique wagon]

Why do you like S Cindy propaganda

[leaden canyon]

Honestly after what I just did anchor should be higher

[fathom rock]

Cindy going with scarlet feels wrong

[unique wagon]

No, I reverted the Changes

[fathom rock]

Scar sss again?

[unique wagon]

Yes cus people were also asking to push up all the B3 back like Mana Ein ReiTN

[fathom rock]

Is meta line being raised again because those aren't meta

[leaden canyon]

Anchor still counters like all that

[unique wagon]

Yes

No

[leaden canyon]

[unique wagon]

Idk read my last ping for you

[fathom rock]

Can raise scar back up but sbs ein reiT aren't meta to be in meta ranking

[leaden canyon]

ReiT does similar enough nuke damage and label existence does kinda hurt scar

[fathom rock]

ReiT also gets vaporized by slight vesti existance

[leaden canyon]

jackal link

But yeah you right

Probably both on the same tier tbh what ever that ends up being

[unique wagon]

Hmm

Id rather see Nayuta S and Nero A as benchmarks

But

[fathom rock]

We can do that without making those b3 above meta line

Because well they arent

[unique wagon]

Hmm

Nero A tier also feels wrong

[leaden canyon]

It does doesn't it

[fathom rock]

It'll work if you bump all of current A tier down

[unique wagon]

There is one issue

Tier list equalization

[fathom rock]

You finally understand my issue with trina ss

[unique wagon]

No

The issue is someone who sees all the 3 TLs Campaign Bossing PvP dont get misled

The TL needs to share the same definitions for each letter

[leaden canyon]

I feel like my third eye has been unlocked against my rival

[unique wagon]

We had an issue with this that we rectified in NY revision

It was DeltaTN placement. A in story. B in bossing. This misled people into thinking DeltaTN is better for mobbing than bossing, which is no.

Hence TLs must be equalized

If someone reads Quiry as D mobbing D bossing and C PvP, they will think Quiry is unusable in PvP

But two tier difference is good so E E C or D D B.

I use Label as benchmark for this

I think she is the perfect definition of mid. Easily powercreepable. Not meta. Just below meta. Hence A A A.

Ok she is good in PvP though.

[tulip quest]

SCar is Meta for those who uses MG and Rifle

[unique wagon]

Thats why I dont want Nayuta in SS

Cus she will get SS SS SS

[fathom rock]

Awkward nero placement

[unique wagon]

Unless shes that good

EunhwaTU is a good benchmark for A too because she is also mid. A A A.

[tulip quest]

Yea EunwhaT is conditional she needs her absolute team to work well

[unique wagon]

If a unit is better at PvP than PvE, the PvP letter must be higher.

[tulip quest]

I like making absolute comp cause Either everything dies in 3 seconds or I die in 3 seconds

I add Rossana so either Nikke dying helps me

their side stonks my side ded Nikke still stonks

[unique wagon]

Maiden is S in bossing right? So she can't be A. Also applies to Ada. SS and S, so A would mean like she is bad for PvP.

[leaden canyon]

If I had more attack rolls on my Eunwha I would actually attempt it

[unique wagon]

Thats how I tier units. I look at other TL.

[tulip quest]

Yea S electric team with Cindy

[unique wagon]

Now Cindy is S SS. Putting her in S means you are saying she is as bad as her mobbing.

Are u sure about that?

[tulip quest]

Still still Meta really good right now still widely use SS is good judgement

[tulip quest]

Eunwha n Emma buffs VestT u need ur Vesti to go ham honestly mine not bad but not the best either

still works in C.A tho

[fathom rock]

So you're telling me cindy only going down to S in pvp when her campaign declines more which is unrelated

[unique wagon]

Scarlet one is hard ngl cus S A. SS is gonna mean shes better, but SSS is gonna mean shes VASTLY better

[fathom rock]

Scar sss is a bit misleading now, cindy can't go with scar

[tulip quest]

Shift up loves giving me charge damage

[unique wagon]

When revising 1 TL, factor in other TL placements.

Is DrakeTr S in bossing?

[tulip quest]

Always part of Shotgun team In Solo raid you can say she's SS

[unique wagon]

If u write her in S PvP, ure saying she is as good as her bossing, which I think is wrong.

[fathom rock]

Bro wants S tier to be Hella empty

[unique wagon]

Now lets talk about Mana.

[tulip quest]

A or S

[fathom rock]

No hold up
Shouldn't the equalization be in the units in 1 tier

[unique wagon]

Mana is X B X. Mana is B for Bossing. Now if we type her A, that means we are saying she is better at PvP than PvE. If B, she is EQUAL in PvP as her presence in PvE.

[tulip quest]

FOR me her passive ressurect 1 ded ally when alive is really good + good burst gen

[fathom rock]

Put meta line S then

[tulip quest]

A

[unique wagon]

Equalized in one tier, equalized across all burst types, equalized across all TLs.

[tulip quest]

With Liberalio here Mana lost much prescence in Solo raids

cause SBS best buffer is Lib

[unique wagon]

• Units in one tier should have similar impact/value.
• Units across different Burst Types should have similar impact/value if same rank.
• Units across different Tier Lists should have similar impact/value for their respective game modes if same rank.

[fathom rock]

:ShiftyHigh:

[unique wagon]

Like how Delta was A B X, making her look like she was better for mobbing than bossing. We fixed her to B A X.

Hence the TL has to change

[fathom rock]

Guess I'll just

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/its-about-time-starcraft-tycho-gif-19200895

[unique wagon]

Why cant Scar and Cindy be in the same tier

[fathom rock]

Idk maybe because scar is better

[unique wagon]

Are u sure about that?

[fathom rock]

You don't have to take only my word for it

[unique wagon]

Her wipe is weak

[fathom rock]

Unless you want slow cindy factored in

[unique wagon]

Time to ask epople

[fathom rock]

And lapT lib ss is pushing it

[tight finch]

DOes ada do much outside buffing?

[tulip quest]

she gives the burster heals

[fathom rock]

She can be on onburst, does a good job countering biscuit comps

[tulip quest]

which makes them win Blanc vs Blanc or blanc vs Mihara

[leaden canyon]

If she manages to get a blanc indom and ada bursts she can one shot a lot of units

[unique wagon]

Tbf I think Centi can stay SS. And Nero can move up to S.

[tight finch]

My experience with this was free wins cos she did 0 damage hence wondering

she steal sw indom = free

[fathom rock]

Trina has partner, which means without scarlet she's 1 tier below WHICH MEANS YOU'RE RANKING CENTI BETTER THAN SCARLETLESS TRINA

[unique wagon]

LapT burst gen is equal to clip RL but slower.

[tulip quest]

Also during burst she does the 420% true damage per 2 sec passive

even if blanc accidentally buffs her she still can carry

[leaden canyon]

If the ada doesn't have enough damage and say you running into bisuit with a moran, then yeah ada can get stuck

[unique wagon]

Centi is the only B2 defender that doesnt taunt. Since Noah rarely goes with Biscu nowadays u only have Centi Rumani and Moran.

If u need B2 tank so u can B1 with other units u cant use Rumani or Moran

[tight finch]

Feel like i had noah lib rosa or something similar mb moran hmn

[unique wagon]

So Centi is SS. Trina is support. Cant benefit from Biscu.

[leaden canyon]

If biscuit invul procs on enemy defender against your ada then ada gets countered

[tight finch]

No biscuit was maybe helm moran tho i dont remember been little bit

[unique wagon]

As for LaplaceTr idk but Centi deserves SS after I reconsider

[fathom rock]

Centi biscu what sorta cook is this
Both serve same exact clip functionality
Are you giving centi rumani partner for biscu

LapT lib cannot be higher than centi if you want equalization

[unique wagon]

Sometimes in SpA you do run Centi Biscu

[leaden canyon]

Yeah if your ada doesn't have enough damage on burst against that too then RIP

[unique wagon]

Also Rumani SS

[fathom rock]

Sounds to me like centi is getting partner tag

[unique wagon]

I realized not having Rumani was a huge hit in 2025 even

[fathom rock]

Ikr

[unique wagon]

Or was it 2024/2025 I was like I need B1 clip RL

[tulip quest]

personally Clip RL is a must in Pvp without them

u can hardly get to 2RL

[unique wagon]

So Rumani and Centi go SS

[fathom rock]

Trina out here ruining this harmony

Remove partner from trina and keep partner on scarlet

Oh yea can't do that because of pve

[tulip quest]

Scarlet Trina Actually Meta in Electric raid

Trina prescence is really good right now

both

pvp n pve

[tight finch]

my scarlet be wondering what ele damage is

[fathom rock]

She don't need it for pvp

[unique wagon]

I think u mi

[tulip quest]

she does tho to ensure HelmT n SNOW H.a Dies

[fathom rock]

M u?

[unique wagon]

Ssed

Sha

[tulip quest]

seed?

[fathom rock]

Just crit

[tight finch]

just run label with sw

[tulip quest]

Rossana still kills Her sadly

[tight finch]

Rosa is waif tho so its okay

[tulip quest]

I lose C.A because a Rossana sniped my Snow

[leaden canyon]

Bro same

I had biscuit blac SWHA going on and it ran into SG with drake in p1 so she died like instantly

[fathom rock]

I lost ca because my spa has 4x 1m cp rosanna

[tulip quest]

I'm gonna run jackal blanc with 3 carry nxt time

[leaden canyon]

Honestly its just rng

That will then weaken your other teams

[tulip quest]

Naht really still same

[fathom rock]

Rosa goes with sg I think your spare carry will die one way or another

[tulip quest]

my team is optimized ady

[tulip quest]

Nah Snow H.A with blanc is really fast enuf to burst 3

with high percentage

unless we get a Soda who stuns Jackal

[leaden canyon]

Ran this

Cant really throw b3 units around

Actually I think I swapped xmaiden and lap spots

Yeah I did

[tulip quest]

that biscuit setup is weak to Rossana snipes

[leaden canyon]

Yep

Cant really move more to it though and keep it 2RL

[tulip quest]

I ran Moran Noah Biscuit Cindy Mihara slow cindy so I can throw b3's around

[leaden canyon]

thats interesting with noah

Never seen slow cindy with that

[tulip quest]

A really funny matchup even happened

Moran vs Moran 1 damage

XD investment check man I lost

[leaden canyon]

honestly if you can get moran x4 attack and x4 defense that would be a raid boss

[tulip quest]

Moran acts as Pseudo blanc to make time for Mihara poison to tick

and if Lucky cindy burst also

[tulip quest]

True I got 3x def tho not bad

[leaden canyon]

Imagine moran gets a treasure

idk wtf you would even add to her kit

[tulip quest]

XD Dunno More DEF?

XD 1 damage Moran tank + heal lifesteal

whoLE teams died to a single Moran sometimes no joke XD

[leaden canyon]

I been running achor with moran and helm lately

[tulip quest]

label also?

[leaden canyon]

Its for sure an investment check but so far it performs kinda crazy

[leaden canyon]

Moran anchor helmT trina SWHA

[tulip quest]

Interesting comp

[leaden canyon]

SWHA is way better in that if you actually have an ammo line on her

[tulip quest]

I tried also Noise Anchor Cindy Trina Jackal XD

[tight finch]

What does anchor work into? I feel using anchor over like bay etc. just gets nuked, could be invest diff maybe

[tulip quest]

I like on Moran comp Moran Noah Vest Emilia LapT

[leaden canyon]

This so far has survived blanc buffed ada and ein, blanc buffed SWHA and that SWHA is super built, and unbuffed vesti

[tulip quest]

like a safe Abosolute team

[tulip quest]

Woah

Intesting

[tulip quest]

It would be a Disaster tho if you Meet Rossana Nayuta SG

Both water carry will die

[leaden canyon]

If you put a quantum on trina and SWHA its like 1.8RL

so moran would got off before even rosanna

[tulip quest]

Oh

That's good shield

Snow at least I know survives

cause her 43% def

[leaden canyon]

Helm should survive too since she should have a temp cube on with moran buff in time

[tulip quest]

oh

[leaden canyon]

also SWHA breaks rosanna concealment

[tulip quest]

I think that depends on Investment but core7 shud I think but I really doubt like 80% ele + high damage rossana can survive

[tulip quest]

okay yo u survive then

[leaden canyon]

I mean if somebody has a rosanna like that then yeah what can you do lol

[tulip quest]

I met a guy with 17k cp in CA Rossana

[leaden canyon]

damn

if I had the rocks I would do it

[tulip quest]

same chinese guy I lose to sniped my snow

[leaden canyon]

My rosanna is like 60 attack I think

but 9% ele

[tulip quest]

that atk is legendary

but i would prefer 80 ele n 40 atk if possible

ur really lucky tho black line atks?

[leaden canyon]

ok no I checked its 50% attack

[unique wagon]

keep nayu centi ss

[tulip quest]

Nayuta so good right now in SG team in pvp also slow Cindy Rumani Nayuta Biscuit Siren Cindy

[leaden canyon]

Nayuta has good SP teams too but they take a lot of units

[fathom rock]

14.63 x 4 < 60 was about to say

[tulip quest]

yea so I tot black lines 4x

[tulip quest]

I'm Gonna run

[tulip quest]

Nayuta HelmT Redhood Emilia LapT next c.a

[unique wagon]

ok Lapt can move to S tbh

[tulip quest]

Nayuta Hit's before Noah can burst consistently

[fathom rock]

So can lib

[leaden canyon]

This can be kinda nasty

[unique wagon]

One can nuke one cant

[fathom rock]

By your logic you're saying she's as viable in pvp as bossing

[tulip quest]

Rossana + Nayuta hits Noah comp before noah burst consistenly yea thats good

[unique wagon]

hang on a sec

[unique wagon]

she is?

[hollow lagoon]

That 2 tier gap between Ada and biscuit still

[unique wagon]

I have noticed a flaw

[tulip quest]

Lib nuke kills even with Noise bay consistently unless C.P Deficit

[unique wagon]

putting Clip SGs in S make more sense due to how wrong the Bossing TL is

cant put her in A if it looks like this

Move them back up

[leaden canyon]

I wish you luck on your tier list when new treasures come out

[tulip quest]

Doubt it comes before Next C,A tho

no announcement still

[leaden canyon]

Yeah this one seems like its going to be late

[unique wagon]

Soda finally S if clip SGs in S everyoe's wet dream

Soline too

[leaden canyon]

I still have not even overloaded soda

[hollow lagoon]

Soline is hood tier prob in PvP terms

[tulip quest]

I 0 0 0 0 her she could die to scar

[leaden canyon]

Soline only good against sg team right?

[hollow lagoon]

Idk she just make things hard to delete rng chance to live for first 6 seconds

[unique wagon]

Shud Moran and Rosa be on the same tier

[tulip quest]

I will run VestT ABSOLUTE Animal comp this time as well with Rossana Anis as sacrifice

[hollow lagoon]

Yes

[leaden canyon]

I would say yes, they both have huge impact on fights

[tulip quest]

Both really good in PVP Meta

[unique wagon]

[hollow lagoon]

Idk Emma is good for sacc to rosa and enable tu absolute pre burst damage

[leaden canyon]

Label only countering two units is enough for S?

[hollow lagoon]

More like a unit and a half

2-3rl Cindy ripp but slow Cindy still does good

[leaden canyon]

pretty sure its just 2RL cindy that doesn't work against label

2.5 should be fine

[hollow lagoon]

No

[tulip quest]

5 seconds is 2.5 still works

[hollow lagoon]

Tried it against 2.5-3 rl in ca, seems like Cindy snap shot the dr

[tulip quest]

3 seconds 2RL

[hollow lagoon]

Not about the seconds it’s about snap shotting

[unique wagon]

atk buff seems to get used

[leaden canyon]

was it actually a 2.5 or a 2.1-2.3?

[hollow lagoon]

Man

[tulip quest]

Scarlet n Cindy is really Meta right now so Label is good

[unique wagon]

I cant decide tbf

[leaden canyon]

oh does it?

[unique wagon]

My

[tulip quest]

can put A if in doubt

[unique wagon]

Then Soda back to A

[tulip quest]

Look at this Label working

[unique wagon]

Yeah nvm lets just use the old TL we made with Soline in A makes more sense

[tulip quest]

NO B2 Btw if you guys noticed

[unique wagon]

The B3 though

[tulip quest]

No FULL burst here

[unique wagon]

I prefer the old ver with Clip SG in S due to bossing TL not being reqorked

[tulip quest]

Shaney was flexing Label advertisement XD

[unique wagon]

Hmmm

[hollow lagoon]

3noah shots to start bursting, Cindy burst Mihara not dead

[tropic summit]

ok your rosanna is far from usable, as for cindy team it still didn't kill lib in time to prevent buffed nuke from landing
might wanna try indom duel and T1 then, probably your only real shot at this

[leaden canyon]

Oh thats interesting

[tropic summit]

2 minutes ch3...

[tropic summit]

what's up

[leaden canyon]

I already sent the attacks in but I eventually figured it out

Want to see?

[tropic summit]

sure if you got the record why not

[unique wagon]

Hi Tracee

I mean Tracee

[tropic summit]

making good use of hyperbuffed moran eh

[unique wagon]

Bruh

[leaden canyon]

I need a more consistent team against that blanc though because this also happened, let me show you

[unique wagon]

TRACER

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

How u

[tropic summit]

critteroni?

[leaden canyon]

Yes

[tropic summit]

physically in pain, mentaly ok

i've been better if anything

[unique wagon]

Physically? What happened

[leaden canyon]

Hes in a lot of pain is all I know

[tropic summit]

pulled muscle which ended up compressing a nerve and it is a pain to slowly heal from that, takes time and is painful for several weeks

[unique wagon]

Hope you get well soon

[tropic summit]

it's getting slowly better since last week, finally returning to work in the office and moving around better

[tropic summit]

also resuming sleeping without having to wake up sweaty and in pain every 2-3 hours

[unique wagon]

Brb

[tropic summit]

oh dayum, can't understimate SWHA uh

[leaden canyon]

yep lol

[tropic summit]

since she snipes instead of regular DPS she actually might be worse threat to moran than vestiTU is

because moran gets bursted instead of DPS'ed against

that kinda counters her logic of increased def% per lost HP

[tulip quest]

IF he changes Rapi to Ada I think chances for that moran comp to win goes down

[tropic summit]

hyperbuffed indom carry will inevitably counter moran

[leaden canyon]

Actually I have a recording of her eating ada

[tulip quest]

yea

[tulip quest]

oh show us we love recordings

[tropic summit]

the science

[leaden canyon]

You saw it before

[tropic summit]

oh that one then ye

we still didn't see vestiTU + blanc + ada i guess

[leaden canyon]

Yeah still have not

[tropic summit]

get in touch with him and get him to set it up

[leaden canyon]

I asked around, like somebody in heres union leaders are friendly with his but thats like it

[tulip quest]

his investment issues and no Vigor cube

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit now we need label like unit for anti fire

[leaden canyon]

his stuff is actually super built

[tulip quest]

it's like asking your bracket can you be my Guinea pig?

[tulip quest]

No I mean he didn't optimized it like putting Vigor cube and making sure that Snow gets the indom

[leaden canyon]

Oh, I think he did that intentionally since I was already beating his SWHA bursting

just trying different things

[tulip quest]

He might be watching this recording tho

XD

[leaden canyon]

We have speculated that yes

[tulip quest]

ASK Him in here to run that specific comp you wanna see

[covert lintel]

But wasn't it true dmg ignore DR?

[leaden canyon]

I dont think hes in here

I have looked up his game name in here but nothing

[tulip quest]

true damage ignores defense

[tropic summit]

don't give them ideas, arena gonna become kindergarden

[hollow lagoon]

It’s gonna happen

Unless we eos first

[leaden canyon]

Actually you guys might know my pvp rival, its Yanni

[tulip quest]

we ady got Sakura

[fathom rock]

Become huh

[leaden canyon]

does nikke actually let you message other players in game

[tulip quest]

Element specific disablers Sakura n Label who's nxt?

[tulip quest]

nope

only in Union board

[leaden canyon]

wtf is the point of the block option then

[covert lintel]

Only leader and sub leader of union

[fathom rock]

Stalking

[leaden canyon]

I mean I know that

[fathom rock]

[hollow lagoon]

What’s this Mihara slander

[unique wagon]

so b1 is this

[hollow lagoon]

I think that’s fair

But I don’t feel redhood b1 is as comp enabling/comp denying as label/soda/emma

[tropic summit]

why is siren a?

[unique wagon]

why not?

[tropic summit]

her kit is unique, stun pressure is a rare trait

put her in SS or S

literally the reason ppl can't run B2 and B3 p1 on 2RL anymore is her existance

[leaden canyon]

Probably because vesti prevents her from being in p2 and p1, only really good against noah or blanc p1

[unique wagon]

Done

[tropic summit]

you're thinking on a CA logic

SP arena siren can be used p1 and p2 freely

[unique wagon]

S is gone shows how much the gap is between best 6 and the rest

[leaden canyon]

that was actually SP arena logic because I typically see her ran is noah comps in my bracket

[tropic summit]

why is rumani SS tho?

i'd argue also rapunzel is weird in SS btw

[unique wagon]

The only Clip RL B1?

[tropic summit]

we've plenty of burst gen units to cover for a flex non clip RL B1

[unique wagon]

No

[tropic summit]

maybe when helmT trina and SWHA didn't exist rumani was valuable, now not anymore

[hollow lagoon]

U have better arguement against rail if you mentioned defender for biscuit synergy

[unique wagon]

You dont have sometimes

[tropic summit]

that's situational

[unique wagon]

But its both

[hollow lagoon]

Yeah but u didn’t mention it

[leaden canyon]

Isn't soda stun much better than siren stun now

[tropic summit]

the problem with this tierlist is that you don't know if it accounts synergy or it considers the role of the unit

[unique wagon]

Siren has so low winrate in CA

[tropic summit]

situational

[unique wagon]

and saying she is good for SpA for attack is the same as saying Label shud be S too

[hollow lagoon]

Siren has low win rate innca because people build around her

[tropic summit]

that's the problem i've with these tierlists, they're meaningless the moment you think of a specific scenario

[hollow lagoon]

Label should be S tho

[unique wagon]

that means she is counterable af

[unique wagon]

Thats also what Keripo said

[hollow lagoon]

That means she’s shaping the meta

[tropic summit]

in my brain, a tierlist, should be telling you why that unit is good at that role and in that gamemode

[unique wagon]

and gave up

[tropic summit]

ye i can relate

[unique wagon]

specific scenarios are A, no higher

[tropic summit]

thats... very wide tho...

[unique wagon]

thats the point

[hollow lagoon]

I told them to stop with the S/sss thing and just list meta units/strong units/comp enablers/niche picks/copium

They won’t listen

[unique wagon]

if u dont have the top six units ure f-

[tropic summit]

in a sense this could be better for a newbie i guess

[unique wagon]

Cannot?

Your suggestion CANNOT be applied because all the TLs share the same system

thats why I ignored it

[hollow lagoon]

No you think ur tl must share the same system

[tropic summit]

ye i understand what kise says... essentially you gotta find a compromise somewhere

because he has to stick to that standard

the problem here is that that standard is just not working for nikke arena

[hollow lagoon]

So a new standard must be made

[tropic summit]

aye but that's not gonna happen, hence here we are

[hollow lagoon]

Unenlightened stays unenlightened

[tropic summit]

i think there were some good ideas shared last few days from several people especially eon

thing is they have implementation costs, as you need to change stuff

[unique wagon]

anywho this is B3

Idk about Mana but this makes the most sense

[worthy knoll]

I never used Rumani SP wise.. not a single time I have used her since she was released. Only on CA she got used, well for gen.. as B1 though, her burst has really no value imo

[hollow lagoon]

How is scarlet back innSSS

[tropic summit]

SBS i'd bring her way down
noir aswell
mana is situational
ein is lower
reit is niche but reasonable
midhara could be higher
drakeT is also feeling too high in there
xmaiden probably lower
lib on attack is right there... on def she'd be way lower
cindy is kinda nerfed, but slow cindy is still ok... ehhhhhhh

headaches

[unique wagon]

She was used as backup B1 until that was no longer needed anymopre

[unique wagon]

People say Noir = Drake = BSoda this is the public consensus so ure the outlier here. why?

[tropic summit]

as f2p i used rumani quite a lot, noah bis cindy helmt rumani was a stable anti scarlet counter (both ros and non ros scarlet)

[unique wagon]

Midhara S = lots of people here disagree so

She was S. I got complaints. I lowered, also got complaints.

[hollow lagoon]

Lots of people are derp and ask @tropic summit for comps on the daily

Trust the expert

[leaden canyon]

People who complained her being S, wut

[unique wagon]

Ok Mihara's back to S @fathom rock

[tropic summit]

the problem with midhara that i can see with ppl saying she's not S:

• she needs to have a team to be used
• alone, she's not good, especially if the team can't live past 4RL

give her the right team, then ofc she's S

[hollow lagoon]

Well tell the people who don’t have the team to get the team

[unique wagon]

they say she shudnt be S cus shes shit in SpA

[leaden canyon]

I guess it would be which tier is more this unit is strong on a certain team tier

[hollow lagoon]

In def yeah? But that also apply to scarlet

[worthy knoll]

If I look that pic, I will think its a tier for B1, the effects of their burst.. and as far as burst go, I don't think she is that high.. if we have a tier list for generation utility, then she will be rates high. But as B1 burst it should be down low. Again, pvp isn't just CA, unless you purposely say its a CA tier list.

[tropic summit]

arguable there, she's good on slow cindy used as attack team, but ye way more niche usage

in fact she's good also on def because a lot of ppl don't know how to deal with her DoT

she may get some early def wins until ppl figure it out

[unique wagon]

doesnt this slowly revert to my old TL with lots of units in A tier

[tropic summit]

ya that's the main issue i've with this... it badly needs to be split at least in:

CA
sp def
sp atk

[unique wagon]

shud the meta line be moved back to S+ or no

2 people requested this

[leaden canyon]

Which tier would you say is more a powerful situational tier

[hollow lagoon]

Ur the tier maker, heavy is the crown, watch me wake up tomorrow with a new opinion and u get confused again

[unique wagon]

B-A

[leaden canyon]

then Mihara A I suppose if you go by your tier list

[unique wagon]

A being the strgoner situational tier

[hollow lagoon]

Scarlet is also situational now tho

[leaden canyon]

I think the problem is people not understanding fully how each tier is ranked

Because Miahra is strong, but situational, so if thats your A then A I guess

[unique wagon]

Perks of Meta Line at S+:

• A tier is regarded as situational, so less issue moving units between B and A.

Perks of Meta Line at A+:

• A+ can be reserved for units relevant or close to relevant in CA.

[hollow lagoon]

Well me here 3times ca winner and hippo 2 times ca winner not using scarlet in CA

[unique wagon]

Disadvantage of Meta Line at S+:

• Idk basically says Label and Soline at A kinda useless.

[leaden canyon]

RNG

[hollow lagoon]

You could argue if my luck is better I win more

[unique wagon]

(ignore the Mihara)

I think what if I raise the meta line to SS+ instead

[leaden canyon]

I think I'm just cursed with the top players in my bracket

[unique wagon]

shud Maiden IR be S or SS

[hollow lagoon]

Idk if canceling slow Cindy’s weakness to scar nuke is considered useless

[tropic summit]

team ordering is a thing in CA, although it's reduced the moment you look at server wide statistics

e.g. a win ratio server wise is far more relevant than a winratio bracket wise
connecting win ratio server wise with unit "tier" is not fully a bad idea, but it needs to account for team synergy... and then you no longer look at the unit but gotta look at the team

[leaden canyon]

Maiden feels more S or even A at this point

[hollow lagoon]

Should always be looking at team

Like if you look at unit then redhood and b1 units wins every time

[unique wagon]

Guys I cant erase the question marks what have I done

[worthy knoll]

Maybe rate units as individually, then average it out on a single rank

• Importance of the units of bursting effect, as support or as damage
• Gen Speed Generation judging too from their weapon type
• As Off burst support
• As Off burst DPS

Or something the like 🤔

[leaden canyon]

Wtf did you do to not erase them

[unique wagon]

Thats what Im doing

• Impact/value
• Presence in CA
• Feasibility in SpA

[hollow lagoon]

Gotta drop scarlet a bit for that pressence in ca and feasibility in spa then

[unique wagon]

That one im not doing not cus I disagree but because of drama

Buta ctually sure here u go

[hollow lagoon]

Bro cope if u want but in couple months nobody will use scarlet in spa def

[hollow lagoon]

And they will laugh at ur list

[unique wagon]

meta line is S+ ig

[leaden canyon]

I love how sugar is the only wide pic

[hollow lagoon]

Every person that come here for comps will post some one with a scarlet on their def and @tropic summit will just tell them to wishlist label

[tulip quest]

I want Makima ReRun

[leaden canyon]

Real

[unique wagon]

So B3 SSS dyall agree or no

[tulip quest]

I wanna run Mihara Makima Animal comp

[gaunt pulsar]

or use preexisting bay/noah so many counters to her

[leaden canyon]

Emilia rerun

[hollow lagoon]

Yeah but freeing Noah/bay = u annihilate enemy box even more

Noah is pilgrim and bay needs treasure to be max effective

[tropic summit]

i've stopped suggesting scarlet on def since a few months before label even, because everyone had a noah or an indom to easily trivialize her, especially thanks to the added batteries (helmt, trina, vestiTU)

[unique wagon]

this

[hollow lagoon]

Swha slander?

[leaden canyon]

Yeah I dont really have a problem with it

[tropic summit]

lappy and maiden are too high up imo, both go down 1 rank, sbs go down 1 rank

[gaunt pulsar]

Siren on A feels wrong, she is the only 3 sec stun in the game that is very easy to use and counters a bunch of stuff

[tulip quest]

Let's vote yes or No

[unique wagon]

Lets move to SS then, who's in SS

[tulip quest]

Yes

[unique wagon]

Who's in SS: Yes

[tropic summit]

ye i said it too earlier

[hollow lagoon]

I’m largely fine with it Ada could go higher Ein could go lower but I’ll let u have a yes

[tulip quest]

Yes good enuf for me

[unique wagon]

IM asking WHO is in SS not yes or no

[tulip quest]

I wanted Product 23 SS tho good Rossana sacrifice

[hollow lagoon]

Bro ur list gonna go thru another one when treasures happen, wrap up already

[unique wagon]

If you write ur own units, your answer will be more honest

[tidal lichen]

why is laplace ss

[unique wagon]

oh this will land after treasure anyway

[hollow lagoon]

Oh lord

[tulip quest]

SS good enuf for me

[unique wagon]

Just give me what units you think are in SS. Don't look at TL.

[tulip quest]

okay

Nayuta

[unique wagon]

B3 first

[tidal lichen]

i think ada deserves ss.

[tulip quest]

Mihara

[unique wagon]

Wow

[hollow lagoon]

Ada Nayuta Cindy soda

[leaden canyon]

I feel like hood is kinda still ss, I mean yes biscuit does mess her up but no bisucit teams on attack shes crazy, I have killed 29% deficit with no blanc buff on her

[tropic summit]

that's the problem, it's situational

[leaden canyon]

yeeee

[tulip quest]

Soda is rng man

[hollow lagoon]

I know

[unique wagon]

u said Mihara SS though

[hollow lagoon]

But it’s still pain

[tidal lichen]

scarlet also ss

[tulip quest]

I can't trust my rng

[tulip quest]

Yea I think so for me

[hollow lagoon]

But u trust opponent rng do u not?

[tulip quest]

yea XD

[tropic summit]

if we consider units that can help you beat deficit teams then nayuta, biscuit, noah, RH should be SSS

[tulip quest]

Dude so true

[unique wagon]

SSS: Emilia, TVesti, HelmTr, SWHA (fixed; don't change)
SS: Scarlet (fixed), Nayuta (fixed because too many votes)

Who else in SS?

[hollow lagoon]

Ada Cindy

[leaden canyon]

In my experience of fighting high deifcit teams, Biscuit, hood, vesti, jackal, rumani, noah, moran, SWHA, rosanna, nayuta, emilia, helm are all very important

[tropic summit]

scarlet SS is gonna be so misleading...

it's both right and wrong

[tulip quest]

Cindy still good

[tidal lichen]

cindy kinda questionable imo, but ig slow cindy still works

[unique wagon]

Vote 1 for Ada S or Vote 2 for SS:

[worthy knoll]

I mean have the rating among those 4 I said above.. like for example Scarlet

• S as burst coz, its not continuous damage, just nuke nothing more after so down a rank, has an element counter down a rank, at least has good damage against teams that has no protection
• S as gen, she has high gen for an AR and main offensive B3, and can gen with Scar S2 too
• C as off burst support (maybe don't have this for attacker, but we have Ada who is both Attacker and support so am not sure)
• A as an off burst Dps due to Scar S2, good enough normal attack
• Should we add a tankiness/survivability rating? Like how high likely they could facetank pre burst and burst nukes?

[tulip quest]

SS

1

[hollow lagoon]

Slow Cindy works, so Cindy has a team now let me know how u gonna get slow scarlet going

[tropic summit]

where's vote 3 for Ada A rank

[unique wagon]

removed because you're the outlier

not gonna win anyway

[tropic summit]

this tierlist is gonna be full pain

[hollow lagoon]

I vote Ada for ss

[unique wagon]

Ada is the most controversial unit in 2026 really

[tulip quest]

CLICK ABOVE MAN

[unique wagon]

since 3 days ago, she has equal SS and S in this chat

[worthy knoll]

I vote S+ for Ada

[tulip quest]

She's viable SPA n C.A

[leaden canyon]

Personally i think shes S but maybe thats because I just know how to play around her now

[unique wagon]

good dodge but no thats like saying someone is 7/10

[tidal lichen]

[tropic summit]

7.5/10

[unique wagon]

that is SS territory

[tulip quest]

CAN Work on deficit

[tropic summit]

[tulip quest]

if ur a whale

[hollow lagoon]

Ada is the one unit that make ur opponent do a vesti and think they won but they cringe in horror as they meet a helm/swha that out leech their vesti’s damage

[unique wagon]

Nice tie ok shes gonna be removed from TL

[worthy knoll]

She has good support, good damage, not so good gen, can outmaneuver Biscuit sometimes.. well if we pick SS or S, I'll lean toward SS

[tropic summit]

how much hair is kise losing each day with this tierlist

gonna be bald in minutes at this pace

[tulip quest]

Ada unique Bow

[unique wagon]

im bored

this fills time so 0

[tropic summit]

glad it works out then

[tidal lichen]

good in sp good in ca can be a b3 or a buffer, kinda counters biscuit as a b3

[hollow lagoon]

Check ur armpit hair maybe thous are gone

[tidal lichen]

fits ss i think

[tulip quest]

I manually pull my armpit hair

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t

[tulip quest]

kinda embarassing showing in basketball

[tropic summit]

not sure we needed to know, but thanks for sharing

[tulip quest]

Your welcome 🙂

[hollow lagoon]

Gonna lazer it?

So u won’t have any anymore

[tulip quest]

nah Whole arm gone

[hollow lagoon]

I didn’t mean to get swha to do it

[tulip quest]

I tot u mean Laplace do it XD

[hollow lagoon]

Why does my outpost always have red dot when i start the game now days

Tis bothering me

[tulip quest]

Gonna move on with this topic

[leaden canyon]

Was happening to me also

[tulip quest]

Okay ladies and Gentlemen where were we?

[hollow lagoon]

Ada slippery or super slippery

[tulip quest]

I don't get the question

[tropic summit]

we were deciding to scratch the tierlist, uninstall nikke and play an actual good game instead

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/only-war-reason-gaming-warhammer-gif-17304554

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-skulls-for-the-skull-throne-blood-for-the-blood-god-gif-18272573

[worthy knoll]

Endfield tomorrow

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-warhammer40k-warhammer40k-heresy-detected-warhammer40k-space-marines-gif-26543746

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rsx4

[tulip quest]

My PC can't sadly

[tropic summit]

what are your expectations

is it gonna be a game you play for more than a few weeks before it becomes usual gacha grind?

[tulip quest]

More touching grass for me I guess

[worthy knoll]

I want Silver Palace too

[tropic summit]

ok now we talkin'

[tulip quest]

Time consuming also has Surface like content you industrialize open world

I watch some videos 30min can't watch the 1 hour ones

[silent torrent]

is prdywen's pvp starter guide good? I've never ever payed attention to pvp but I feel like I should at some point and I wish to understand how it works as I know literally nothing about team building

[tulip quest]

yea it's good

Nothing here boiss

[tropic summit]

start with this:
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

then get familiar with the core units in this:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

finally, check pinned teams for ideas and for the units you already have built
#pvp-arena message

[silent torrent]

who is watching

[tulip quest]

what do you mean?

[silent torrent]

thanks a lot

[silent torrent]

nothing I suppose , thxs to u too

[hollow lagoon]

Mf posts NIKKE.gg link when Prydwen personnel is right here

[worthy knoll]

[tropic summit]

[tulip quest]

competition makes the industry grow in quality

https://tenor.com/view/genius-excited-beard-bear-gif-4242197970653209363

[hollow lagoon]

you are correct

[tropic summit]

tbf it's just personal preference, if he has questions at least i know where they come from

for example when i need to check unit prefered OLs i actually use prydwen instead

a mixture of habits/convinience

[hollow lagoon]

When I check ol I just look at kit and see where I don’t want dilution

[tulip quest]

I go watch both GG n Prydwen pvp + skyjlv in PVE matters

[tropic summit]

le wise zant

[worthy knoll]

how about personal coaching from Rail from scratch

[tropic summit]

don't give them ideas

[hollow lagoon]

It’s not like I can roll 4 ele anyway,

[tulip quest]

4 rocks TRUST

[hollow lagoon]

If unit self buff attack a lot like sdoro/swha/rapi I’m ok with crit lines instead of atk lines

[tulip quest]

I'm okay with my SDoro crit lines

[gritty ridge]

Bad rail, look at the skills and just know

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t got much of a choice anyway

[gritty ridge]

I take 1 glance at crow and know shes triple 10

[worthy knoll]

I used 30 rocks in one go before.. all of them got CS/ChD on a non RL/SR unit or the exact same line I'm trying to roll out

[hollow lagoon]

That’s just my crown

[tulip quest]

My friend used 120 and got bad rolls on SNOW H.A

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mind-blown-shocked-2

[gritty ridge]

Alright, goodnight

[tulip quest]

30 still fine Imagine for 3 months stack rocks

n boom 1 day gone like trash

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-cola-2

we know what you going off to do

[tulip quest]

I tot this pic was gonna have wholesome explanation but alas

[tropic summit]

it was kinda hinted, it's even better because shamiko doesn't know

[tulip quest]

This anime kinda high rated

[tropic summit]

it's brainless comedy

with cute anime grills and good seiyuu

added value for the borderline yuri

[tulip quest]

Yea that's not bad sometimes I watch things like 86 n Jujutsu n stuff ppl die

need funny stuff sometimes

[tropic summit]

86 can be PTSD material

[tulip quest]

I got good cute anime recommendation

Gakkou Gurashi! (School-Live!)

cute stuff

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bait-1

i know that you know that i know

[tulip quest]

Hey At least it's not the Boku no Peak recommendation people gives you know

I hate those guys asdasdasdasdasd I was Innocent back then

[shell hazel]

your lie in april - super happy anime do rec

[swift mango]

Guess it's still happening?

[swift mango]

He would need to move Trina to SSS if Scarlet SS.

[worthy knoll]

let me add Devilman Crybaby to the list

[swift mango]

Idk, I used her in Arena when no one on here cared about her. She has many issues, depend on the case she wouldn't be able to win even a 3rl team. I think S is fine.

There are Vesti and SW in the game. No reason to use Ada main burst anymore

[worthy knoll]

Burst wise yes.. but what makes her kinda special is she is also fine off burst as a support which make me want to have her a tier higher than S

[swift mango]

Well, Crown is also off burst support.

[worthy knoll]

She is below Vesti and SWHA but at least higher than Scarlet in my eyes

[swift mango]

Scarlet is still the best instant nuke in the game. Put her to lower than Ada is just Eh.

[worthy knoll]

Attacker that is also a off burst supporter

We do have Maxwell, but I think Ada is better than her.. both as burst and support

[swift mango]

Lemme rephrase it.
Scarlet is meta defining.
Without her you would she tons of 3rl team in CA now because the rest of the meta are slow burster

If she is anywhere below SS it's just dumb

[worthy knoll]

My low ranking of Scarlet is just simply, she get blocks Noah and Bay, she has no more value. While Vesti SWHA Emilia and Ada are the types, that are fine even after burst.

Emilia has a problem of slow charge and just normal atks after, which the damage is not so good now but at least all 5 units are hit

While Ada has decent strong damage, her problem is her damages are just centralized on who she is hitting, she lacks the all 5 target that Emi has but its at least better than blocked and then no more.

Vesti and SWHA is the highest tier coz they both have that damage, and consistently high damage even after the initial burst and also hits all 5 units

Then we have Scarlet who is just, slash then no more after. And if not double buffed, even an Noise MAnchor can facetank her even without Noah/Bay. Its just nuke and nothing else, and her nuke isn't as strong as Lib too

[swift mango]

If Scarlet not exist then Bay would have very low value. She singlehandlely defined the meta. From slow team, blockers importancy to MG being obsolete.

[worthy knoll]

Bay was never high value in my eyes

[swift mango]

Again, wtf would flash into your mind when you see a 3rl in SpA? If not "just Scarlet it"?

[worthy knoll]

Before maybe when Vesti and Lib didn't exist, now not really nowadays

My always go to as insta nuke now is Lib

Well not instant but it like, I'm sure they are dead

I just have to make sure it hits

[swift mango]

Try that against someone actually 40 above your level or have good investment.

[worthy knoll]

My battles are 40-60ish sync though

Above me

[swift mango]

You mean Libby, not Nayuta? Libby 2rl fall to 3rl team flat wtf.

[worthy knoll]

I definitely can't win that 400ish above me

[swift mango]

Libby is slow burster

[worthy knoll]

Yeah Libby, I won a deficit fight coz of Libby

I couldn't kill a Cindy team with Scar while on penalty but I could with Libby

It was very easy too, so smoothly while Scar let them live a to have Biscuit S2

[swift mango]

You aren't winning against a 3rl team with Libby if they Noah/Blanc block it.

Nor SW, neither Vesti of they add biscuit to.

[worthy knoll]

Again I just have to make sure it hits, its my judgement now

[swift mango]

Then it's just stupid/y waste of time and not "just scarlet it"

[worthy knoll]

Its on how you drive it, I know I can kill safely with Lib, I just need to ensure it hits, that is my judgement now

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

If you have to make this much text to reasoning about "just scarlet it" then scarlet is meta defining.

[worthy knoll]

Again the reason I rated Lib high coz Scarlet didn't help me beat by nuking while on penalty

Lib has more damage potential, so I just use her, I don't want to let a sliver of health and then let the fight turn around

[swift mango]

If enemy has a competent team on penalty Libby won't do jack.

What are you gonna do about Moran biscuit 3rl anyway?

[worthy knoll]

Again its my prerogative now how to use it, but in terms of ensuring the kill, I'm more confident on Libby vs Scarlet. You do you, but I like how Libby just makes me at peace they won't live it

[worthy knoll]

Why can't I Lib that too?

[swift mango]

Moran biscuit on on 30% deficit.

Try

[worthy knoll]

Yeah its fine, I just need to buff Lib more

[worthy knoll]

So Scarlet can?

[swift mango]

Libby already tons of ATK buff, add more AtK won't change anything

[worthy knoll]

While Lib can't?

Show me then

[swift mango]

I said if you are on high deficit already, both are useless.

[worthy knoll]

We are comparing Scar and Lib

So show an example Scar is better than Lib in that deficit case

[swift mango]

Scarlet instantly wipe and defining the meta. There is no penalty in CA.

In DEF, Libby is even worse than scarlet.

On ATK, scarlet actually can survive higher deficit without biscuit.

[worthy knoll]

Give me a vid Scar can kill while Lib can't

While on penalty

[swift mango]

Linked scarlet against 3rl survive 24% decit and wipe. Put Libby into that slot she just die.

[worthy knoll]

And my opponent has Biscuit.. do I tell them not to use Biscuit?

So I can use my Scar?

Very good

[swift mango]

What biscuit had anything to do with scar.

3rl Noah with biscuit still can lose to scar

Libby just lose to that

[worthy knoll]

You said Scarlet can survive higher deficit if without Biscuit above

[swift mango]

Without biscuit in her team

[worthy knoll]

I assume Biscuit means on opponent side

I mean what Biscuit have to do with Scarlet team anyway?

Then just prove it

[swift mango]

I mean thanks to Trina, Scarlet has high survivability on deficit.

[worthy knoll]

Simple as that

[swift mango]

Prove what?

[worthy knoll]

Show a vid high deficit Scarlet surviving and killing opponent right?

You keep saying she can, so show it

[swift mango]

Yes you could check my history. 23-24% deficit. Scarlet just linked no other protection killing a 3rl team with SBS and SAnis

[worthy knoll]

Then post that link here

You trying to prove your point, why would i have to find your videos too?

And SBS and SAnis.. who uses those now?

Your proud winning against those 2?

[worthy knoll]

Wow nice.. a proper oppoent team

[swift mango]

This is not about proud but about Libby can't do it

[worthy knoll]

👏

You sure Lib can't against that slow team?

Show me something with Noise and Noah or Moran and Noah then with Biscuit

[swift mango]

Can't if you just slow Libby into that slot

[worthy knoll]

Why would you do slow Lib tho?

[swift mango]

I said Libby is slow. Wtf... I'm I talking to a wall?

[worthy knoll]

How much is your opponent speed?

[swift mango]

3rl

[worthy knoll]

And Lib can't nuke that?

And idk even know how much deficit you have in there, as no CP is shown

[swift mango]

It was 22% but 24% would still no problem.

Are you even play arena now? 2rl Libby will be blocked by 3rl Noah. Not to mention at that deficit even scarlet would die after she burst, let alone Libby need to waiting 1rl for her nuke to land.

[worthy knoll]

I am, why won't I.. and I know what I'm doing. And I'm sure my Lib can hit that.. and I can survive too no issues, its just SBS and SAnis.. nothing dangerous against at the opponent

Show me against a Vesti at least

[hollow lagoon]

Finally peace and quiet, mfker lucked out extremely with positioning but still won only 3

[umbral belfry]

rocks are mine

[swift mango]

Yes, you could use Libby to beat that. But it's not in that team

[worthy knoll]

That way I can say okay, my Lib can't survive that

[swift mango]

[worthy knoll]

[hollow lagoon]

KEKW

[swift mango]

Scarlet exists in the meta as detergent. She make everyone go 2rl and 2rl line SW would shine.
Without her 2rl of slow burster like SW, Vesti would get beaten by Similar but slower team

[worthy knoll]

I'll give you the W, be happy Sasuga Scarlet can survive high deficit Vesti I bow down, my Lib definitely can't survive that

[swift mango]

Libby can't survive Vesti anyway. Doesn't need defit

[worthy knoll]

Yeah thats why I say I can't you win.. I lost

[versed mesa]

Actually we all lose, since SU gets our money

[swift mango]

At this point you are just trolling. Coming from present in meta to deficit now bs.

[worthy knoll]

Yeah I am 👏

I definitely agree

[swift mango]

Look me in the eyes and say with your consent Ada could replace the Scarlet team in Arena.

Ada only one of the dozen slow burster that need Noad and Blanc to even work.

[worthy knoll]

Yeah I agree

You are right

[swift mango]

She can never be higher tier than Scarlet who doesn't need Blanc and Noah and serve as detergent in Arena.

[hollow lagoon]

Lul @tulip quest opponent soda lucked out and stunned vesti and Blanc

And that’s how I lost

[worthy knoll]

I'm already agreeing

You got it right

[swift mango]

[worthy knoll]

100% true blood facts.. nothing to doubt 🙇‍♂️

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-dorothy-pipe-bomb-gif-4643514375044855612

[swift mango]

Anyway, bring you Ada instead of Scarlet next CA. You would surely win CA.

[worthy knoll]

Nice

[umbral crown]

Gonna bring ein instead

[swift mango]

And no scarlet team too?

I guess you could do it with Vesti absolute as 1 team

[umbral crown]

Scarler can wait till a future season

I never go with the same teams , i always change them

[swift mango]

You definitely didn't change scarlet team out before.

[umbral crown]

I did

But did not save it

[swift mango]

I don't see it feasible without Nayuta or Absolute

[umbral crown]

The idea was scar laplace trina rh jackal like the ols days

[swift mango]

it's still scarlet team

[umbral crown]

Yeah, thats the different scar i was about to run

But for absolute gonna see if i can change something to make it more interesting

[swift mango]

I mean zero scarlet team, like @worthy knoll gonna do next season.

[umbral crown]

Its ez to do that

I also have not been usin cindy for a while

[swift mango]

with absolute vesti it's easy.

with Nayuta/SW it's okay but not that good

[umbral crown]

Just need to trust your cookin skills

[swift mango]

game just doesn't have enough tech before. I still don't have absolute

[umbral crown]

Now you can live without rapu

[swift mango]

I always did.

[umbral crown]

Now you can slot mana and hope for the best

[swift mango]

Mana doesn't heal and stun like rapu

and getting dispelled by Rosa

[umbral crown]

I mean for the revive part

[swift mango]

dispel by rosa. I still waiting for skill reset to lower her ATK. missed it last time.

[umbral crown]

[fathom rock]

Can't satisfy everyone ffs

Why just be objective

[swift mango]

to be franked I asked for Noir, drake .etc to move up but he moved midhara down instead.

it's his fault

because he hate sg

[glad meteor]

Yeah, tbh people still need to do the work to learn abilities and find niche uses on their own. Can’t feed everything to them on a tier list

[fathom rock]

I have my hands on this rn

Rumani shd be ss in that scenario one sec

[umbral crown]

2 secs

[fathom rock]

Label to s might happen, centi trina same tier feels wrong

But centi S is more wrong

[swift mango]

move Trina up because scarlet down

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Tier list wars

[swift mango]

She make scarlet team in CArena possible.

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

Its time

[umbral crown]

Is it

[fathom rock]

I don't mind that but...

[glad meteor]

For you

I’m a filthy casual

[umbral crown]

To do the thing part 2?

[fathom rock]

Casual and filthy don't belong in same sentence