pvp-arena

[haughty mortar]

These win?

[hollow lagoon]

Just do a lot of blue pulls

And redhood loves me for some reason

[strange linden]

Check the cp deficit, if it goes above 15,5% you'll get a stat malus
I'm not sure about the first one for example

[hollow lagoon]

Also I got my final dupe of scarlet pulling for rapi banner, and then label release

[strange linden]

It's still a small % to get them
I rarely get pilgrim on normal banner

[haughty mortar]

Roughly 3%

[hollow lagoon]

I also used that pilgrim selector thing on scarlet for the core 6, should have done sbs or Modernia sigh

[haughty mortar]

Why Modernia?

[strange linden]

No way that should be much higher

[hollow lagoon]

Idk? Cuz she pretty?

[versed mesa]

I have 29 max core Nikkes, Modernia and Noah only pilgrims

[haughty mortar]

It's 82% right?

They are at 672.4

[hollow lagoon]

Copium modernia treasure when

[strange linden]

20% you'll get CP diff

[haughty mortar]

What about the 0.82 tollerance?

Or that IS the tolerance

[hollow lagoon]

Just do 84.5

Or 85

For PvP

[haughty mortar]

Yeah that's deep penalty

[hollow lagoon]

For pve it’s whatever

[versed mesa]

0.846 x Enemy CP, then if you higher than that you are gouda

[haughty mortar]

What beats this then?

[hollow lagoon]

Not that team of yours that’s for sure

[strange linden]

#pvp-arena message

And then do the comparison with this site
https://nikke.gg/cp-deficit-stat-penalty/

[haughty mortar]

I guess use my T3 on T2 and

Wait T1 was in deficit

[hollow lagoon]

And I thought my def sets are cursed

P1 Cindy free burst gen

[strange linden]

It's funny that cp gap is only a real problem at the "early" levels
The higher level you are, the more you can afford a larger flat deficit since the percentage would only slightly increase.

[haughty mortar]

Sorry meaning?

[hollow lagoon]

Meaning your opponent teams are atrocious

[strange linden]

Only the first one, you're barely under deficit in the second team at 14,14%

[haughty mortar]

How can I improve the 1st one?

Or can I beat this with my T1?

[hollow lagoon]

That Cindy team of theirs looks like a job for 1RL scarlet

[hollow lagoon]

Do u use NIKKE deck to calculate burst timing?

[haughty mortar]

You mean Nikke top

And no, that's too complicated for me. I live by the KISS principle

[hollow lagoon]

No

NIKKE deck

NIKKE top is complicated

[haughty mortar]

Nikke deck calcs burst gen too?

[hollow lagoon]

NIKKE deck is simple and easy

[haughty mortar]

Their team is 💩

Just worried about siren

[hollow lagoon]

4rl now check ur own

They could feed to 3.5 tho

[hollow lagoon]

Crown big feed

So they are also 3rl

Ur Noah will be stunned

Better to put crown p1

If u insist to use crown

Both are 3rl but u got Noah so u prob win

Unless they screw up and link is on rh and doro which would be very funny

[upbeat dock]

managed to put together 2x 2RL defence comps... and one dogshit one

any suggested fixes so my last team isn't so terrible?

[haughty mortar]

I do not insist on crown

I can add Centi instead?

[upbeat dock]

top row is pretty much 4x OL, second row is like 1-2 OL and last row is no OL gear.. currently working on finishing off blanc before overloading centi and working on treasure laplace

[hollow lagoon]

Ur vesti have charge speed?

[upbeat dock]

its been doing okay on defences in this bracket, been challenger 1 for a few seasons now but i wanted to get 3 solid teams since i feel like its always 1 team letting me down terribly

[upbeat dock]

just 11%, didn't hit the first breakpoint

[hollow lagoon]

11will hit

[upbeat dock]

ah, thought i needed 15%

[hollow lagoon]

Would be like 2.25= basically 2rl

Which is good because u don’t want ur indom to be too fast or u just lose to mirrior indom

Also ballsy Noah p1 when vesti exist but u do you

[haughty mortar]

What can I do against Siren stun?

[hollow lagoon]

Put crown first

Crown stunned=noah burst duh

[haughty mortar]

I mean nothing better to replace and deal with it?

[hollow lagoon]

Gl bro

[upbeat dock]

hmm, awesome, i'll give that a go

btw, whats bad about running a p1 noah into vesti

[hollow lagoon]

Vesti break ur Noah who dies and ur comp dies soon after

Ur better off putting rumani p1

so Noah only take splash

[upbeat dock]

ah, i guess the vestis in this bracket are still crap.. i'll have to update it once my rumani is geared

[haughty mortar]

Sweet I won

[hollow lagoon]

There are better but u won so it’s whatever

[haughty mortar]

What could I have used instead?

[hollow lagoon]

Scarlet

For one

Sucide into rosana

While they take counter damage

[haughty mortar]

Scar Trina?

[hollow lagoon]

I said sucide into rosana so no Trina

[haughty mortar]

Ohhh

[hollow lagoon]

But Trina is mor stable scar will likely live to take stun

And then ur Noah sw burst

[haughty mortar]

You scar my mind

[umbral crown]

[white compass]

Yay I just went from lvl 5 doll to 10 to 15. Does Centi OL lines impact much?

[ivory violet]

You mostly just want charge speed the rest don't matter

[keen vapor]

You can go insane by fishing for CS as well

So, roll with caution

[white compass]

444 enough on her skills?

[upbeat dock]

I wonder if we’ll be in the same group..

My best friend

[keen vapor]

OH
Shuffle is happening

Can't wait for treasures to change the meta as well

[bold trout]

What OL lines for Jackal?

[keen vapor]

Imagine if we get same effects as label that'll be the funniest thing

[keen vapor]

Charge speed

And fillers

[upbeat dock]

this guy beat my ass when i first started, attacked me everyday.. 4 seasons ago i caught up and repaid the favour and its been a seasonal traditional to land 5x a day every day

[keen vapor]

I'm caughting up I swear

[bold trout]

Fillers?

[keen vapor]

"Any other line to increase Combat Power"

[upbeat dock]

19% CS Jackal was what helped turned the tide for me i think

[bold trout]

Ah ty

[quick lake]

don’t brick pve for pvp

[gritty ridge]

Yeah, dont be like rosy

[rich jacinth]

Hello. I'm thinking about trying PVP properly lmao.

Is there a META goto team to use for Special SPArena ? I need 3 for Attk and Defense.

Any guidance is appreciated.

[quick lake]

Teams in pins for reference

VestiTU and SWHA are the two main Dps units nowadays

[jagged sedge]

Have a guy on my server that purchased 70 synch levels worth of cores in two and a half months. Dude probably spent thousands.

[rich jacinth]

I see. do you play defence and attack same team?

[jagged sedge]

Not to mention he would have to buy battle data and credits to level

[floral kiln]

Yeah that's literally thousands

[jagged sedge]

He pretty much bought Hyung-tae Kim a rolex for christmas

[quick lake]

Attack teams are typically tailored to ur opponent teams

[rich jacinth]

ohhhhhhhhhhh i see.... got yea.

[rich jacinth]

does your rank ever move up or down if you attack regardless? because i've been stuck at dimaond since forever (note that I don't touch pvp like at all lmao.)

[quick lake]

Rank is based on how long u sit at a particular rank

It does go up if u occupy higher ranks long enough

[rich jacinth]

one more question is that any benfits sitting in chellanger ? i'm currently diamond 3

[upbeat dock]

There’s two ladders, one is your currently ranking and it determines how many tokens you get per hour, the other is overall rankings based on how many tokens you own

challenger will get you more tokens per hour, but that ranking is meaningless at the end of the season.
If you sat at rank 30 the entire season, then 1 day before the season ends, you do your attacks and secure challenger 1, it is meaningless as your actual rankings based on tokens owned will be in the rank 30 region

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041260584454344745/1421997202741661727/ezgif-33ec850c7eb64d.webp

[rich jacinth]

Awesome. Thank you so much for all these details. Helps me out alot!!!

Time to properly do this 😂😂😂

[ivory violet]

More gems for a higher rank too

[north brook]

Its king of the hill, they arent really different ladders

You get more points for how long you maintain a certain rank, its more relevant to hold chal 3 than to flip between chal 2 and chal 4 for ex

[umbral crown]

@shell hazel Besto shieldo time

[rich jacinth]

what character is clip?

[gritty ridge]

Anis, centi, trina, noah, rumani, t.lap, jackal

[swift mango]

SW is basically like Emi. Can be beaten with 1rl slower Blanc/Noah easily. She ain't tricky like Vesti.

[swift mango]

@quick lake could add this to your pin comment.

Above Clip RL gen: 38% Emi, HelmT, SW.

Clip RL gen: Anis, Rumani, Jackal, Centi, Trina, Noah, LapT, Emi

Clip SG gen: Maiden, Xmaiden, BSoda, Sugar, Pepper, Viper, Drake, Noir, Vesti, Libby, Neon, Products 23, Zwei, Pascal.

[swift mango]

My Noah isn't even MLB

Congratz

[swift mango]

More gem

[gritty ridge]

Me and blood are twinsies

[swift mango]

You should have MLB Noah when you played as long as me. No worry.

[gritty ridge]

My noah is lb0

Ill be working on her once I finish noise tho

[swift mango]

So long as you don't have to use silver on other units you Noah would be MLB in a year easily.

[gritty ridge]

Treasure batch determines that

My noise is c4 atm, only 3 copies needed

[swift mango]

I remember I used 2 silver dupe on her because I had no Noah. But my noise is still only MLB.

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

thank you very mucho

[gritty ridge]

[umbral crown]

you need to buy copies from shop, like i did

[gritty ridge]

At the rate im going, my first c7 pilgrim is gonna be grave

[umbral crown]

[gritty ridge]

I just keep pulling her

[umbral crown]

waos

now i have to save silver tix to buy noise dupes, 4 left

[swift mango]

I got her too late. And already used many on others.

[umbral crown]

others....

that does not sound bueno

[swift mango]

Noise dupes first, and treasure needs later.

[umbral crown]

then if noise was a good choice

[gritty ridge]

Listen, he had to c7 miranda. Its ok

Everybody does it

[swift mango]

She was the best to use dupe on at the time. She was low on dupe (still only MLB now) and I used her to survive boss attack at lower level.

I didn't have Noah so hoarding tons for sth I may never have is not very funny

[gritty ridge]

I want a 2nd blanc

5 sec indom of the highest atk unit, not including the caster

It would be peak

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

soline frost

[gritty ridge]

Soline isnt gonna keep my snow white alive for burst

[umbral crown]

but she kept my helm alive

in p1

[swift mango]

Not if your HelmT got one shot.

[umbral crown]

thats the point, she can not get 1 shot before bursting

[gritty ridge]

The humble vesti+laplace

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Rosa

[gritty ridge]

Or rosa

[umbral crown]

in CA rosa teams are 3.5

[gritty ridge]

Nuh uh

[swift mango]

Your Vesti would kill p3 noir in one shot

[umbral crown]

against soline frost teams, they not gonna kill everyone real fast

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

[gritty ridge]

My sg team can kill through soline

[umbral crown]

today my vesti killed a siren and she could not stun my helm

[swift mango]

But they got killed instead so it's the same

[umbral crown]

was too fast

[gritty ridge]

Cuz i use 4 sg instead of 3

[umbral crown]

by the time soline uses her 2 buff keepling alive the char, the team is already bursting

[gritty ridge]

If you 2 shot soline cant work

[umbral crown]

she also uses her buff on herself owo

[gritty ridge]

Imagine a comma after shot

[swift mango]

No worry, Normal atk Vesti team auto lose to SG+Rosa with Nayuta p1-2 anyway.

[gritty ridge]

Smh, your vesti cant tank 50% atk c7 rosa?

Where's your defense lines

[swift mango]

Even if she can tank that Nayuta and the Soda would wipe

[umbral crown]

like this is how this 109k soline lived to burst

[gritty ridge]

What vesti team are you running

[umbral crown]

when whole team was aiming to p1

[swift mango]

We are talking about Normal atk Vesti.

[gritty ridge]

Wdym

Im confused

[swift mango]

Soline is like 2nd Biscuit now. She could get A-S tier at least.

@unique wagon

[gritty ridge]

My vesti team hardcounters any sg team in CA

[swift mango]

No you don't. Only hard counter is Biscuit.

[gritty ridge]

Even if they eat noise i still burst

[umbral crown]

i would say S

[gritty ridge]

If nayuta is in p1 I extra win

[umbral crown]

has more uses than other units

[swift mango]

That's because you didn't met a whale SG with max out OL for PVE and 200+ research level over you

[gritty ridge]

Because uh, I am the whale blood

[umbral crown]

in some minutes gonna share you my fight where she kept helm alive against slowcindy

[swift mango]

Good dream

[gritty ridge]

Also NA brackets are wayyyy more fair than yours

[umbral crown]

fight is starting and your p1 or p5 at 0.1% hp

happened to me once in CA, my centi p5 was nearly dead and the fight was just starting

[swift mango]

It fair to me because I currently in smolest bracket on SEA, when I moved up it would be those days of research gap again.

Then against the 3rd bracket of SEA is full of PvE so I could still compete

[gritty ridge]

Yeah im in like the 6th NA bracket

I could survive in the next one up

As long as hime is feeling nice

[swift mango]

You sure you are that high?

[umbral crown]

we gonna get CA shuffle in S22 me thinks

or 23

[swift mango]

I would imagine Hime in 6th. Not you.
Considering NA has 8.

[gritty ridge]

We're shuffling next reset, no?

[gritty ridge]

Ah then id be 7th

[umbral crown]

when season ends on SP

so most likely S23 we shuffle CA

but last one the people stayed the same

[gritty ridge]

My bracket got some people shuffled down from the one above

[swift mango]

You may even be 8.

[gritty ridge]

They dont do anything here, but they are here now

[umbral crown]

i was isekaied from the bracket i started

[gritty ridge]

No, theres one under me

[umbral crown]

now im with bracket where there are some lv600+sync bois full C7

[gritty ridge]

Thats the bot bracket

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Who know they maybe new 9th bracket.

[gritty ridge]

2 bot brackets

[swift mango]

SEA got 5th sometimes

But they merge up

[gritty ridge]

How is the global pvp situation btw

[swift mango]

Well, you should be synch 551+ if you level up fast enough

[umbral crown]

kinda

[eager mountain]

💳

[umbral crown]

some bois in my bracket are 542

or 521

[swift mango]

No that's F2P possible

I'm 541+ now if I opened my boxes. And Rosy almost 2 months before me.

[gritty ridge]

Me too

[umbral crown]

[eager mountain]

easier with 💳

[gritty ridge]

Theres 1 guy whose like sync 500

Hes my fwend

[umbral crown]

nani

[swift mango]

Well my level up speed is a bit faster than common f2p

[umbral crown]

blood doing the thing

probabl when i bricked for months in coop not able to buy things from shop

[swift mango]

Now this is just lazy

[umbral crown]

device issues

imagine trying 10 times to enter and just get disconnected

then phone decides to run at 5 fps

[gritty ridge]

Hes ma fwend

[umbral crown]

those c7

[swift mango]

I have a McFly in my CA too

[gritty ridge]

Sir hes sync 556 when most of us are in the 300's

Im sync 341

[swift mango]

[gritty ridge]

Hey, im on track to be sync 400 at the 1 year mark

I think that's pretty good

[swift mango]

But can't beat the whale

[gritty ridge]

I can

Thats why im back in CA next season

[swift mango]

Not McFly

[gritty ridge]

In CA? I can beat him there👉 👈

[swift mango]

In rookie

[gritty ridge]

I am not in his rookie

Thank the lord

In rookie theres only one person I cant beat

And its cuz vesti cant outdmg anchor in 35% deficit

[unique wagon]

Shes already A. A are complement units. If alone, useless. Better cus paired.

[unique wagon]

Nice music.

[unique wagon]

This is how it looks.

[gritty ridge]

Um excuse me where is bready

[unique wagon]

If not there that means she is below everyone

[gritty ridge]

Bready is peak meta

Its upsetting that crow is mentioned at all

[unique wagon]

Imma just up Mast and Poli for now

I dont think the B tier is that bad

[gritty ridge]

Its not, and mast sees CA use

[daring remnant]

Oh hey, thats me

[unique wagon]

is Diesel that bad

[gritty ridge]

I told ya I was braggin bout ya

[gritty ridge]

I would genuinely never use her

[unique wagon]

how about MastM

[gritty ridge]

I have used her, but im biased

Id ask someone else

[unique wagon]

@eager mountain Wdyt

I saw u dont hide

[eager mountain]

hot take but there can be a ssss tier where noah blanc helm sw vesti belongs

[unique wagon]

shu-

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[unique wagon]

the TL is alr halfway there. Emi is kept cus high CS abuse. Biscuit is too important

[eager mountain]

last time remember myself fighting a diesel was like 2 yrs ago

[unique wagon]

hang on this is the wrong TL

[umbral crown]

[unique wagon]

Idk about MastM

[eager mountain]

ugh i think the real reason why emi justified be in same tier as them is just p3p2 pressure with vesti
too many quality gens now i think emi-less acc is not nearly as doom as like, a year ago

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

Tbf I think Pepper desrve A for being shotgu-

[coarse lake]

mmast is lower than mast for sure

[unique wagon]

is it enuf for one tier cus I think not

[eager mountain]

i honestly wont care about where mmast is placed unless someone cooking with her and won somehow

[coarse lake]

considering folkwang is there I think mmast is fine in C

[swift mango]

Why is my Sugar out of bound.

[gritty ridge]

I know someone who cooks with her

[coarse lake]

with what cook

[unique wagon]

Because only you and DP want her in A

[gritty ridge]

Eon you love my bready indom

[coarse lake]

mast is an option for counter-focused scar and trio vesti

[swift mango]

No, why out of bound? Not rank.

[coarse lake]

mmast I don't remember any real use

[gritty ridge]

Shes clip sg, why not same tier as pepper?

[unique wagon]

not enough space duh

[coarse lake]

then move down maiden

[unique wagon]

is it enough for one tier difference*

[coarse lake]

burst too weak to kill anything without a way to stay alive (usually jackal or ig soline now), not useful in sp

[eager mountain]

watch sugar get treasure but instead of being completely useless like the other 2 cafe sweety treasure she will have extremely niche random use in ca

[coarse lake]

label actually counters her if you use her in sg

[unique wagon]

Shud Pepper be A or B

[swift mango]

It's just temporary, Sugar treasure would make her SSS.

[coarse lake]

like arguably sdoro is better than maiden

[unique wagon]

I think Pepper being clip has adv over XMica but XMica hmm

[coarse lake]

sdoro actually seen some usage in some weirdge sg cooks in ca

maiden has none, and even less now with label

so just put them in same tier at least

and sdoro is way more useful for sp

[unique wagon]

done

[swift mango]

Put money on mica and keep them same tier is fine

[unique wagon]

B tier pepper it is although I rmb the day my Scar link got fk- by Pepper Noir 4 ele

[umbral crown]

ReiT and maiden can be demoted if anything

reit just saw some use during CA S4 or so

[coarse lake]

demote maiden

I'm a maiden simp, but she's just ass in pvp

[swift mango]

Mice needs max skill investment so $ on her.

[gritty ridge]

I tried so hard to cook maiden

She just doesnt

[eager mountain]

*as if shes not a$s is pve

[umbral crown]

Ein can be moved to A, trust

[gritty ridge]

In pve you can look at her ass, so shes worth using

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

even comparing her with mpriv, they're similar nukes iirc, mpriv lower gen, but doesn't have hitcount requirement to do nuke

so drop maiden down to mpriv tier

[eager mountain]

is it even 1/100 as good as lib's reloading pose

[unique wagon]

Because ure Ein simp?

[umbral crown]

@swift mango @gritty ridge

[umbral crown]

also because her nuke is really something

[gritty ridge]

You see, lib isnt really my type

[eager mountain]

wong might as well get carried all the way to ss tbh...

[gritty ridge]

No

[unique wagon]

Nayu wall

[gritty ridge]

Why did you do that

[umbral crown]

[unique wagon]

ok I promoted Nayuta due to peer pre-

[swift mango]

Ein is good but it's just no enough slot for her in CA. We have more units that could use FB bonus now. ReiT would be better if not for Vesti.

[eager mountain]

[umbral crown]

you will see my Ein cook next season, trust

[gritty ridge]

Nothing against her shoving her ass into view, but id rather look at rh

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

now demote maiden due to peer pressure

I don't think there's anyone defending her position

[unique wagon]

No

[coarse lake]

why, what use does she have

[gritty ridge]

Kisenyan, if I win CA with bready will you put her on the list

[unique wagon]

D

[unique wagon]

Burs tgen

[gritty ridge]

Then where is neon

[coarse lake]

we don't need b3 clip sg burst gen even in ca

[gritty ridge]

And pinne

[unique wagon]

u see no one in C has good burst gen except Neon

[coarse lake]

b1 and b2? sure b3? hell no

[swift mango]

The B3 competition is much harsher than B1-2. Anyone in B tier of B3 are as good as A tier for B1-2... Maybe aside from Mana and Rapipi... One is just doesn't have use and one is just only for attack.

[coarse lake]

rather use sugar than maiden for burst gen

[unique wagon]

and no one uses Neon

[umbral crown]

i won CA with her, S9

[swift mango]

She drop off after Libby.

[unique wagon]

till the day we get Water tank so Maiden becomes good unless they use Lab-

[gritty ridge]

We have a water tank

[coarse lake]

bump her up the day we get water moran sure

[gritty ridge]

[coarse lake]

[umbral crown]

she will gain some more space, true damage is meta

[unique wagon]

who

[gritty ridge]

[unique wagon]

no thanks

[unique wagon]

B is fine not enuf difference

if u want every little diff to matter, just make F to S*100

[coarse lake]

she is not best replacement nor situational

b3 sg that does nothing except gen is already sugar slot, and already who tf using sugar for gen

in any pvp mode

[unique wagon]

since no one uses them then both of them canbe together

[coarse lake]

sugar at least has iron adv, but sure sugar going down together I'm not that against

[umbral crown]

the last winner

[unique wagon]

IT"S NOT ONE TIER DIFFERENCE SIR

[coarse lake]

that's not using sugar for gen, it's using sugar for ele

[gritty ridge]

Thats a strong sugar

[coarse lake]

the move them both down

[unique wagon]

If I dont have any burst gen units and I only have Maiden I will use her

I wont use a 2B

[coarse lake]

I've seen 2b nuke

[swift mango]

Sugar burst 3 is better than Maiden for CA SG team. She could wipe team herself.

Maiden has the benefit of early gen when you don't have any good B3 to pair with Jackal. But that's it.

[coarse lake]

actually can nuke if proper buffed

[gritty ridge]

@coarse solstice

[coarse lake]

maiden needs giga buff and a way to get a lot of hits without dying

[unique wagon]

but do I use 2b for burst gen

[swift mango]

Hard.

[coarse lake]

uses diff buffers is still a bonus

[gritty ridge]

I tried to cook maiden miranda, and that doesnt even work right only the 2nd nuke crits

[swift mango]

In the hand of a max core high research whale she could be as good as B.Soda I guess.

That's if they could spare the rocks

[gritty ridge]

Anyways, im off. C yall

[coarse lake]

if keeping maiden in B, then I say move mana and ein up

[swift mango]

Mana is fine B. She should be C as well.

[unique wagon]

Wow are we going back to MY FIRST TL

[umbral crown]

mana has more use

[swift mango]

ReiT actually better than Ein before Vesti. But Libby took Ein place too so now they are same tier.

[coarse lake]

I think ein sustained dmg a bit more valuable still

and less feed

[umbral crown]

nah

Ein is better than ReiT

ReiT her burst hits 1 by 1

[swift mango]

Well, I based it on actually having a use in CA.

[coarse lake]

as much as I hate to say, indom ein having resurgence in ca

haven't seen reit since like season 1 or 2

[umbral crown]

you can only stop Ein using taunter with biscuit or strong moran

[coarse lake]

reit also needs double buff, ein can function with indom due to sustained nature (still prefers double buff sure)

[swift mango]

ReiT could wipe teams instantly with just 1 buff. And she wipe Nero/Cindy team easily back then made people getting champ with her more.

Now Libby replaced them both.

[umbral crown]

if siren was not a thing, Ein p1 would be the thing

[coarse lake]

1 buff reit? that doesn't seem right

[umbral crown]

Ein has been always been able to defeat nero, ein has true damage

[coarse lake]

I remember calcing that rh + blanc buffed reit nukes for approx the same as trina scar

[swift mango]

ReiT has Ele over Rapu. So Moran+Nero won't win

Without 2nd burst

[umbral crown]

you just send Ein and nero team is deleted with burst

[unique wagon]

done are you happy

[swift mango]

Ein need more buffers

[coarse lake]

[umbral crown]

blanc is enough to defeat a nero team

[coarse lake]

no not really that happy

[umbral crown]

with ein

[unique wagon]

I still dont want Scar in SS

[coarse lake]

why is she in SS

[unique wagon]

drama

[swift mango]

HelmT/Crown/Xmaiden are also buffer for Ein for example.

She is easier to buff

[coarse lake]

that sounds like a plus to ein

[swift mango]

But ReiT needs less buff

[unique wagon]

done

[umbral crown]

but if you wanted 2 buff

[swift mango]

That's 2 buff. And RH is huge.

[umbral crown]

tomorrow in rookie gonna record 1 buff ein deleting nero team

with blanc only

[swift mango]

Assuming no level/investment difference and no deficit, yeah.

[coarse lake]

yeah based on that double buff vid, just indom ein should be able to do it

[unique wagon]

I told u my old TL looked better

[coarse lake]

killed them with plenty of time to spare, even if rh doubled the dmg (she doesn't), it still would kill

[umbral crown]

no worries, the bro has more level than e

[coarse lake]

ein has a good chunk self atk buff to dilute rh

[swift mango]

Need to know if Moran max skill 3, Nero max skill 1, Rapu max skill 1 and doll.

[umbral crown]

remember her kit

[swift mango]

80k Rapu.

[unique wagon]

This still looks better because the Situational Line is above B but thats also a problem

I have an idea

[swift mango]

Could move Neon and Product 23 to B too. They had CA present and reached Champ thanks to Libby.

Neon+Product23+Anne+Rosa+Libby is a legit team now.

[coarse lake]

ok happier now

[swift mango]

Sugar looked cursed.

[coarse lake]

be more strict on definition of meta imo, keep it between S and A

wait why tf did sbs move up

[unique wagon]

thats saying solineft is not meta so I have to push solineft up

[swift mango]

Random SBS still reach Champ sometime

She could wipe team without buffer

And misinfom Anis. So I guess It's fine

[eager mountain]

reit sbs a tier above mana is just cope

[coarse lake]

imo she's not meta

[unique wagon]

ok fine

[coarse lake]

if you think she is, then sure move her up, rh b1 lonely there

[swift mango]

I mean Mana has zero use I have seen, aside from that one time I got champ with her in my Anne less SG.

[unique wagon]

happy now

[coarse lake]

move the line up so that line between A and B can be more blurred, both non-meta

[unique wagon]

ok honestly this looks right

[coarse lake]

I use mana for 2.5rl nayuta helmt

[unique wagon]

nu

[swift mango]

did you champ with it?

[unique wagon]

Can we talk about Sugr and Nayuta here

[coarse lake]

no, but it's pretty high winrate

[swift mango]

People even use normal doro in CA.

[coarse lake]

only really loses to jackal indom sw, defending sg nayuta, and noah

[swift mango]

And won

[unique wagon]

and Nero

these 3 pls

[coarse lake]

it's upgrade to the 2rl nayuta helmt that's kinda popular

blows up 2rl bay vestis completely

[unique wagon]

Nayuta Nero Sugar talk pls

[unique wagon]

@fathom rock I think dis looks good

[swift mango]

Nero and Bay same tier is fine. They are interchangeable in Moran team and have different benefit there. Both 3rd-4th team material.

[coarse lake]

SS nayuta is fine

quite useful for sp atk, like doubles sg winrate in ca

has helmt lifesteal comp that's usable in both sp and ca

also some nayuta + triple splash comps floating around

[swift mango]

But did it won?

[coarse lake]

barely anyone uses it, why would it winning be the deciding factor

[unique wagon]

Idk if Nayuta SS is good but ig she is now about Sugar

and B tier B3 feels empty with just RRH as the AoE

[swift mango]

Nayuta is good for ATK in deficit and CA. But she is useless for DEF team in SpA.

It's hard

[unique wagon]

So S tie-

[coarse lake]

I think a few seasons ago someone lost to keripo in finals while using 2rl nayuta helmt

[unique wagon]

can I demote Sugar back to B pls

[covert lintel]

Will this cr work with midhara?

[coarse lake]

I don't mind at this point, esp if meta line is staying there

[eager mountain]

barely making it to top 50 use rate when adding older seasons where vesti is not fully populaized lmao...

[swift mango]

I like to see my cursed Sugar up there.

[unique wagon]

Hey RRH is there its unfair Sugar be in A

[swift mango]

Well, I only care about the guys who made it to champ.

[unique wagon]

dont worry stilll wide

[eager mountain]

@unique wagon also that sbs wr is

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-dorothy-pipe-bomb-gif-4643514375044855612

[eager mountain]

made it to ca or made it to top1

[coarse lake]

... that meta line still too low

how is manchor and makima meta?

[swift mango]

The champ.

[umbral crown]

old video but look

[spiral onyx]

I'm not a fan of using usage frequency as a metric for unit strength. There's an inherent bias for 1) older, already invested units, and 2) mass copying of previous winning comps

[unique wagon]

Why does no one use ReiA but ReiT

[covert lintel]

Rosanna ss
Even though she counter sss jackal

[swift mango]

Because they aren't invested enough to reiA

[unique wagon]

And that's the only thing she does

[coarse lake]

well

if you consider that she can't always reliably 1 shot enemies, sure ig

[unique wagon]

I think her being MG matters?

[swift mango]

She kill Water easily to. And Burst gen higher than Clip RL most the time in the right team.

[eager mountain]

filtered to grand final so champ vs 2nd data

100% WR REIT

[coarse lake]

very useful, julia in there, must be meta

[unique wagon]

shud ReiA be B tier then

[eager mountain]

ikr since he only wants champ data

[swift mango]

WR is bs but okay

[unique wagon]

are there any C B3 woth incerasing

[spiral onyx]

I'm also personally not a fan of the +/- mini tiers either. I realized this a couple months ago when I was trying to decide whether to put a unit as A or A-. In the end it didn't really matter, what mattered more was the question of whether the unit was meta defining (S) or just strong (A)

[coarse lake]

in here A is somehow considered meta

[covert lintel]

1match, that's why 100%

[swift mango]

Mana was used in Nero teams which is pointless now.

[eager mountain]

as if reit isnt pointless now

[spiral onyx]

But I know people love to have a very concretely tiered list where you could pick any 2 units and definitively say which is "better" when though that's not actually meaningful

[unique wagon]

There's a reason why we never use that

[swift mango]

The whale top 1 in SEA CA used ReiT and won about 4 season.

[unique wagon]

It's annoying to manage

[eager mountain]

reit already pointless post vesti and now sw

[unique wagon]

People don't understand how annoying it is to manage 1 Tier List let alone Tier List INSIDE Tier List

[eager mountain]

make ai gen a piece of crap for ya

[covert lintel]

But he has a lot of black lines

[spiral onyx]

It's also generally not meaningful. 90% of the time, units within the same tier serve different purposes and are not interchangeable

[coarse lake]

just make something close enough and call it a day, not sure why we're on day 4 of tierlist discussion that benefits basically no one

[swift mango]

I mean I won CA twice with her, or was it all 3 times so more than just 1 record.
ReiT can still wipe it's just hard to position her because Vesti.

[unique wagon]

Anyways anyone in B3 C can bepromoted?

[spiral onyx]

"I don't have Noah. Can I replace her with Centi? They are both B2s and high on the tier list"

[unique wagon]

also shud I raise Wide Sugar again

[coarse lake]

b3 is already way too high up compared to b2

[umbral crown]

can have 12 but now she no longer part of the strong teams

[eager mountain]

and u gonna win more without using her given now theres annnooootttthhhheer meta b3
and the tl wont be based on the old season where u won as her

[covert lintel]

Even with jackal?

[unique wagon]

does Wide Sugar deserve A

[swift mango]

Yeah she is dead in the water in p1-2 against competent Vesti even with jack

[unique wagon]

I dont wanna revise TL over and over

[coarse lake]

that's what you've been doing

[unique wagon]

Its better to cook for 1 month then revise later

[coarse lake]

it'll change by next month

[covert lintel]

maybe she needs to be below 2rl burst

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

Yes but doesnt require 30 units being moved

[placid bloom]

you believe maids will be PvP based?

[coarse lake]

rn is close enough

[unique wagon]

Anywho ReiA being 2 tiers below ReiT feels wrong

[coarse lake]

could be wrong but I think reia actually nukes for higher than reit

[covert lintel]

Is there new maid?

[coarse lake]

wait no it's a bit less

[placid bloom]

it's almost Valentine, why wouldn't there be new maid

[spiral onyx]

I've actually been spending the last few days trying to cook a new non-Scarlet, non-Cindy team and it's really, really hard. With dolls and Tempering cube, even a double buffed Rei2 just doesn't cut it. Triple buff works but you become slower than 2RL and that makes you lose a ton of matchups. I even tried HelmT again and the team wasn't strong enough either, especially with all the newer mega nukers like Liberalio.

[swift mango]

You actually can in low-ist Cindy teams.

[unique wagon]

so this

[coarse lake]

prob pve if I had to guess

last few maids have all primarily been pve

and we just had pvp unit in label

[eager mountain]

cuz sbs reit and maybe even mana is b not a, the premium sgs still simply has better meta relevance as long as sg teams stilllll alive
im still surprised that sg team is not dead yet given how many pvp chara su have added

[spiral onyx]

Rei2 hits harder. But both aren't really strong enough anymore unless your opponent is underinvested or running nothing defensive

[swift mango]

"My Team gonna wIn because Centi lower tier than BayT and both RL so I used her in instead of Centi."

"What? 3rl can't win against 2rl. What's that?"

[coarse lake]

can't you just get rid of the green line at this point

[swift mango]

[spiral onyx]

SG team just too cheap cost wise and let's you more easily build 4 stronger other teams

[unique wagon]

shu-

I can say the same for Nayuta

[covert lintel]

I hope so
Idk why they're released pvp units back to back like this since anniv

[coarse lake]

nayuta has good sp use

[swift mango]

[eager mountain]

maybe we will see a battery general buffer soon given the dramatic increase in rate of su releasing pvp viable chara
for freaking 3 buffer 2rl

[unique wagon]

No

[swift mango]

Nayuta actually can win more match up because she block p1. So noobs could benefit from her being high tier.

[spiral onyx]

If we continue getting units like Noah, Trina, and SWHA who serve double purposes as both a battery and a unit that bursts, we can have that.

[eager mountain]

ye, inherently bad chara with strong synergy
much like in solo raid

[spiral onyx]

Helm+ used to also do that but now sustain team isn't strong enough anymore

[coarse lake]

sg team needs nayuta more than nayuta needs sg team imo

[placid bloom]

Quiry favorite item

[spiral onyx]

[unique wagon]

u said B3 is too high up. I feel like B2 is the one too high up

[spiral onyx]

What about

[coarse lake]

manchor meta is insane to me

[spiral onyx]

Harran favourite item

[coarse lake]

same with makima

[spiral onyx]

Oh wait...

[placid bloom]

can't give upgrade to dead characters

[spiral onyx]

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

Sure, Heretic Harran would slay.

[coarse lake]

[swift mango]

[placid bloom]

unless they fuse Noah's brain with Harran's dust and Isabel's scraps

maybe there is enough left to assemble half a Nikke

[swift mango]

Even Red Shoe could come back as Heretic

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squidward-crying-hey-who-left-this-bowl-of-onions-here-onions-gif-21662820

[unique wagon]

Meta means usable in PvP

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

meta = usable?

[placid bloom]

no Red Shoes is already dead, Mirror is just AI

[unique wagon]

yes

[swift mango]

Then Product 23 and Neon is up there

[spiral onyx]

Most
Effective
Tactic
Available
Meta

[placid bloom]

[coarse lake]

then move line down more, sanis is still usable

esp in sp as a way to bypass noah taunt like the old days

[unique wagon]

fine

[eager mountain]

thank you.

[spiral onyx]

SAnis ain't usable no more

Her damage isn't enough to keep up

Dolls and Tempering eats into it too much

Ein too for that same reason

[coarse lake]

same tier as maiden btw

[spiral onyx]

I would love a Maiden treasure

Her skins are so beautiful

[swift mango]

Ein actually deal more dmg than ASS.

[swift mango]

Use her in SR.
Chibi don't do much.

[coarse lake]

maybe move claire up to sora tier

[spiral onyx]

Ein and SAnis also both electric

[coarse lake]

iirc they're basically same unit, sora-skippers can use claire for same role

[north brook]

Sanis main niche was killing off dps in longer fights before they killed her, but more taunters and walls and faster mega aoe dps make her not have much niche anymore

[swift mango]

Sora heal more

[coarse lake]

diff isn't big enough

you can't convince me claire is same tier as dkw

[north brook]

But she died before label with tempering meta

[swift mango]

What dmg? She heal so Scarlet could survive Rosa nuke

[spiral onyx]

I actually forgot who Claire was lmao

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

typo smh

[placid bloom]

problem is Sora don't even dispel all debuff, only 1 random debuff so no advantage to using Sora over Ade

[umbral crown]

cuz label

[swift mango]

Not random, the first one. Sora had more burst gen and heal. Ade doesn't need to burst. They are different use case

[coarse lake]

and honestly yeah move ade up a bit too, not same tier as dolla

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

mainly for sp reasons I guess if you wanna go crazy against sw def or something idk

[swift mango]

You could slot her into CA too to make SW team 3rl

[coarse lake]

base helm should move up too I think

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

better than xlud for sure

[unique wagon]

Why does this look familiar

[spiral onyx]

Lumine from Genshin

[unique wagon]

One has burst ge- hey Nihil is there

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/lumine-freaky-downbad-unhinged-lick-gif-1347634837209136021

[swift mango]

Main character of the world famous zombie shotting game for few decades now.

[coarse lake]

then move p23 up

if we valuing burst gen even if nothing else

[unique wagon]

is p23 clip

[coarse lake]

arguably more value than maiden in sp due to sac, but prob not that relevant these days

yes

[unique wagon]

nah, she's C

[swift mango]

Neon+P23+Anne+Rosa+Libby is a champ winner entry last CA. And there are few people used it before that.

It's a legit team

[spiral onyx]

Tbh any unit under "A" is not worth including unless they offer a niche usage or burst gen

[coarse lake]

then why isn't maiden C

[unique wagon]

hmm there's Pascal and Neon too hmm

[swift mango]

[placid bloom]

new player CA bracket is desperate for option though

[unique wagon]

shut

[placid bloom]

it is hard to fill 25 slot

without older unit

[coarse lake]

p23 is the second best b2 clip sg, maiden is the... 5th best?

[swift mango]

Neon and P23 had another benefits over burst gen, and that is to Sacc.

[spiral onyx]

There's still new CA brackets being created atm?

[unique wagon]

Maiden is B because that's my bias so Im adding my bias in it

[coarse lake]

yeah move neon up too, same as p23

[spiral onyx]

We're in year 4 now, ain't no way we are getting new players

[eager mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-9403556598434283568

[spiral onyx]

B stands for Bust a Nut

[unique wagon]

maybe Sakura can go to B

[swift mango]

The guy who won @tropic summit CA last season

[coarse lake]

oh look there's mana

also how tf is that team supposed to work btw

[swift mango]

"She has potential" just need a right team to show up for her to be useful again

[coarse lake]

how do you even get libby to burst

[spiral onyx]

She's currently in the same situation as Label for me right now. She's strong but I am having a hard time actually fitting her into a team meaningfully

Especially with stall teams not really being a thing anymore except the cursed Mihara teams

[swift mango]

If Libby died to SG then Neon and P23 would be killed by Rosa then Libby revived by Anne?.

[covert lintel]

Is there vid
I'm interested in copying that

[unique wagon]

No, rarity disavantage

I want Anis in A but people will be angry

[eager mountain]

now i tempted to put lib +sw+ batteries in rookie
just so that it still can be blocked by 2rl noah

[spiral onyx]

CA doesn't even have CP penalty

[unique wagon]

u know what im putting Centi back to SS theres one use of her that other Clip RLs dont

[swift mango]

Move Centi back to SS

[coarse lake]

... then mana burst tho?

[spiral onyx]

It's entirely fine to run SR units so long as they aren't in the direct line of fire

[swift mango]

What's Mana?

[unique wagon]

its the only B2 that doesnt taunt and is Defender and is ClipRL

[coarse lake]

p3 mana? or did you say the units not in the right positions

[swift mango]

Neon+P23+Anne+Rosa+Libby

[coarse lake]

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

My bad typo

[swift mango]

Editted

[coarse lake]

we're even on typos now

[swift mango]

[placid bloom]

is there even any 0 defender team that can use Delta taunt

feel like every team have at least 1 defender

[spiral onyx]

I really wish XSoline had more burst gen

[coarse lake]

can't think of anything good, emma does it better

[unique wagon]

Why does this look skewed... and B3 look too low

[swift mango]

What delta? The purple one? She was meta before they fixed her. If she wasn't, she would be even more meta now topping Vesti and SW on the spot.

[placid bloom]

no belief in Quiry

[swift mango]

SSS tier Delta

[coarse lake]

honestly.. not against moving noir bsoda draket up into meta tier at this point, if you wanna use sg usage as metric

bc you could argue they classify as meta

[unique wagon]

maybe Ein and ReiTn in S will fi-

[spiral onyx]

Even if you build one, Delta has no self survivability so it's not all that meaningful anyways

[placid bloom]

no the new Delta she taunt like Emma but only if there is no other defender

[swift mango]

Nah, SU need to bring back old delta. She is the hero we need in this SW, Vesit Meta.

[unique wagon]

thats why I want the meta to be A+

[spiral onyx]

We need old Soline
Friendly fire is the new CA meta

[coarse lake]

but makima and manchor being meta is wrong

[spiral onyx]

Making CA even more RNG

[coarse lake]

just shift some b3s up

S bracket lonely

[placid bloom]

when was the last time Quiry won CA

[swift mango]

Bring back Delta meta.

[unique wagon]

Retro will fix B2

[spiral onyx]

I probably used her in one of the older winning teams

[coarse lake]

[north brook]

A tier not meta, but still used

[coarse lake]

you really should try to finish tl talks today

tomorrow onwards ppl gonna prob be playing endfield

[north brook]

If there were more meta units, they would be dropped

[coarse lake]

I will for sure

[swift mango]

Even C tier like P23 is still used but Kisenix refuse to moved them up

[spiral onyx]

I want a second Blanc or second Noah

[unique wagon]

we will just demote more B2 from the top

[coarse lake]

if you have to demote, ig nero and anis?

anis is last pick for clip rl, can argue that's not meta

[unique wagon]

I will use Nero in A as benchmark and Nayuta in S

[placid bloom]

I think they don't want to give more generic tools anymore, they only give hard counter so you have to gamble whether you see the correct matchup

except on SPA attack

[coarse lake]

but honestly I think you should just move up b3s

[spiral onyx]

Wtf happened to Sugar lmao

[unique wagon]

@fathom rock Fix the B2 from SS and below pls

[unique wagon]

People here like her.

Sugar simps.

[swift mango]

Fix b1 too

[coarse lake]

stupid purple line went back down

[north brook]

Wide

[coarse lake]

[unique wagon]

Too many in S+ me no like

[spiral onyx]

I mean the Hidamari Sketch

[placid bloom]

what if Phantom get favorite item that make her buff trigger even if she is not shooting Rapture

[swift mango]

Still reiT tier

[coarse lake]

keep both vipers and eunhwa in S, move the rest of S into A

[covert lintel]

Next treasure will be sugar

[unique wagon]

No

[spiral onyx]

Actually, Ludmilla treasure would be pretty solid

[unique wagon]

B1 is fine and looks fine compared to B3

[spiral onyx]

Her kit is actually really good, just lacking burst gen

[coarse lake]

I tried to make her work a few times, got close 100% dr with moran without bursting had potential

[unique wagon]

Eon was right about B2 being shifted upward

[swift mango]

Rosa is on same tier as Jackal. Burst gen and team building wise. Even more tricky than Jackal in late game def

[coarse lake]

dropping everyone in B2 A other than vipers and eunhwa into B should fix most of B2's issues

[unique wagon]

I can entertain that but is THAT why u say fix B1

I think u meant "FIX ROSANNA" not "FIX B1"

[swift mango]

Mainly

[covert lintel]

It's fine, let rosa be ss so most ppl wouldn't high invest her

[coarse lake]

then for everything b and below just drop them a stage

[swift mango]

Sakura and Tove higher tier than Neon is curse

[unique wagon]

I can maybe move Rapu to S, Moran Rosa Noise to SSS

[coarse lake]

b2 competition super fierce in pvp tbh

[unique wagon]

no one uses Neon except when desperate. Sakura still works for SpA attack if ure desperate.

[coarse lake]

they all deserve to be bumped down imo

[spiral onyx]

Im still low key upset Viper treasure made her even more bricked for PvP rather than removed the PvE limitation of her kit

[swift mango]

Many people use ViperT instead of DrakeT now thanks to Nayuta.

[unique wagon]

if rosa SSS do u want Moran SSS too

[coarse lake]

yes

[covert lintel]

Fr
SU need to rebalance her

[unique wagon]

do u want Rapu demoted or no

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[unique wagon]

do u want Noise promoted too or no

[coarse lake]

moran > noise/rapu

[unique wagon]

I only need yes/no to those 2 questions

[swift mango]

She doesn't block BSoda or Nayuta from bursting and could die easier than drake

[swift mango]

No

[unique wagon]

do u want Moran promoted

[coarse lake]

basically ppl use vipert in p1 for when they can't trust the p1 to reliably die or not, so they can consistently use bsoda b3

that's the main reasoning that I would use it at least

[swift mango]

Moran could move up or stay. She is in the middle

[spiral onyx]

Rapunzel-Jackal is low-key strong af. I've lost so many fights unexpectedly because of that Rapunzel stun

[unique wagon]

Rapu?

@fathom rock Peer pressure made Sugar wide. Now they've made Rosa SSS. Idk if Moran should move.

[swift mango]

Same tier as Noise whereever noise is.

[spiral onyx]

I'm tempted to run her but I'm not confident my opponent would bring her low enough HP for her stun to proc

[coarse lake]

yeah that's the main problem with rapu

esp for those that had nero moran rapu back in the day, beefed up rapu a downside now

[swift mango]

Whale problem

[unique wagon]

I think Moran moves

[coarse lake]

I know someone that ran rapu with no boots with soline, fairly reliable stun

[covert lintel]

moran is useful for both atk and def

[unique wagon]

why does this look more ridiculous

[spiral onyx]

If only OL gear or dolls could be removed...

[unique wagon]

POLL TIME
Moran SS (vote 1) Moran SSS (vote 2)

[coarse lake]

undecided I'll abstain

but if rosa is in SSS, I'm kinda leaning towards moran SSS too

[eager mountain]

i vote 3 to move sbs reit and maybe mana back to b

[unique wagon]

do u want Rosanna in SS or SSS

[coarse lake]

tbh b1 was fine before

[spiral onyx]

But for reals, I'm legit stuck in my cooking cause of Label. Until we get a new B3, I feel like I'm forced to run a Cindy or Scarlet comp as the alternatives just aren't strong enough

[coarse lake]

with just jackal in SSS

[unique wagon]

ok moving everyone back again

[coarse lake]

leaning towards SS, primarily bc of fickle 1 shots

[swift mango]

Same

[coarse lake]

and sw removing conceal

[unique wagon]

@fathom rock U know what just work with this instead. we discuss B1 later.

[swift mango]

she has good burst gen so long as in the right team. Not just one shot

[coarse lake]

well that's why she's in SS

[unique wagon]

(although I think its fairer to put Rosa and Moran in SSS due to their threat even on DEF)

because Rumani does nothing except burst gen and maybe taunt (as B1)

[swift mango]

She can have more Burst gen than HelmT just like Jackal

[coarse lake]

well make up your mind, just keep rosa and moran together and I don't really got complaints

[unique wagon]

when does SWHA gacha banner end btw

[coarse lake]

next reset, 12h

[swift mango]

Rosa is a bit more useful than Moran. Moran doesn't build a team by herself

[unique wagon]

I feel like both deserve SSS but also not at the same time

theyre exactly between SS and SSS

[swift mango]

HelmT - Rosa - Jackal - SW are each cornerstone for 1 team building now.

[coarse lake]

moran gives a lot of bulk to a team tho

[unique wagon]

solution: move eveyone down 2 tiers just to make a slot for them

[coarse lake]

blocks most sgs, increases slow dot comps winrate a decent bit

and the team taunt

[swift mango]

Yeah but not as useful as Rosa. I would still put Moran, Rosa, Jackal SSS

[coarse lake]

eh fine with that

[swift mango]

But if one needed to be down, it's moran

[eager mountain]

so not only u accept the ssss tier hot take but also adding sssss tier

[coarse lake]

just put some more into S

b1 rh lonely there

[unique wagon]

well not my fault that B1 always uses the same units

[coarse lake]

A seems fine for b1

[unique wagon]

putting Rapu Noise to S

putting Moran and Rosa to SSS also feel wrong

SEeing Rosa in SS also feels wrong

[coarse lake]

rumani S makes sense, her main appeal is the only b1 clip rl aside from jackal, but could argue not enough diff from centi

[unique wagon]

Can Rosa snipe non water outside Jack

[coarse lake]

usually need crit if from full hp

even for attacker

[unique wagon]

SS then

[coarse lake]

or several sacs

[swift mango]

She can

Even if SW, she just need 4 AtK, 4 Ele

[unique wagon]

I find Moran and Rosa annoying in my experience

[coarse lake]

can argue noise move down to S tbh, dies to any decent sg these days

[placid bloom]

You just need more core than your opponent

[swift mango]

No sacc needs

[coarse lake]

2rl noise cindy not popular aside from keripo

[swift mango]

Just need investment

[placid bloom]

If your opponent C7 you cannot snipe

[swift mango]

Noise linked in on the raise.

[coarse lake]

moran noah usually > noise noah, unless the taunt prio is important

[eager mountain]

tia rosa

[covert lintel]

Just make another tier
"Meta specialist"

[swift mango]

No one care about Noise Noah these day but Noise Jackal. Noah could be there or no.

[coarse lake]

noise jackal doesn't really need noise tho

like 4th most important unit on the team

[swift mango]

Jackal auto lose to Rosa without Nose

[coarse lake]

just run xmaiden backup

[swift mango]

Jackal indomed

[coarse lake]

or sora

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

get to full hp

decent odds

[placid bloom]

I don’t think Sora heal is that fat, only Rapu

[swift mango]

Sora is Wind

[coarse lake]

claire

[swift mango]

She is SR.

[coarse lake]

fine rapu

[placid bloom]

Pascal

[swift mango]

So they are same tier

[coarse lake]

move rapu down too

honestly just keep them all in SS, too much hassle

just don't bother

[swift mango]

Rosa should be SSS.

The only reason I survived Jackal less back then was because Rosa gen

Her burst gen just as good as Jackal

Anyone that could reach HelmT burst gen needed to be SSS

Or move HelmT down

[placid bloom]

Well until there is more than 25 meta unit it doesn’t matter if the unit is higher or lower, you cannot skip building them because you have no choice

[coarse lake]

conditional tho

needs to actually get sacs

and if you use your own units for it, that limits your comp options

[placid bloom]

It only matter when you need to choose the choice that is not meta

[swift mango]

Jackal is also conditionally HelmT tier. And Rosa condition for HelmT gen tier is easier to fulfill than Jackal in SpA.

[coarse lake]

jackal provides double sided protection and makes blanc work

[eager mountain]

and if u dont furfill rosa condition u get mg gen, while jackel still have clip rl gen

[swift mango]

Rosa provide one shot and could also help Blanc work by putting pressure on opponent team building.

[coarse lake]

problem is that 1 shot, rosa can't consistently 1 shot full hp attackers these days

[swift mango]

She also make Blanc misindom

No one need her to one shot full hp. Vesti, SW, Emi, SG, Nayuta exist

[coarse lake]

enemy sw also just nerfs un-linked rosa dmg by dispelling conceal

[swift mango]

Yeah, thankfully SW is Water

[coarse lake]

so what happens when there's another b3 in sw comp, or idk, non-attacker backup

[swift mango]

It's just as usual, Rosa still give burst gen, unlink, misindom Blanc and some dmg on top of Vesti and co's normal attack.

[swift mango]

She could still Crit if you built her 8 Crit tbh

[coarse lake]

that's still inconsistency

a lot of those things are also inconsistent, in happening or mattering

[crystal flicker]

is this lighter than valo

[swift mango]

She isn't supposed to win game by herself 100% the time. That make her EX tier not SSS.

[crystal flicker]

Speaking of SW, I finally got 4 Crit on her

[swift mango]

Now get 8

Or 4 ele

[crystal flicker]

4 ATK

4 Crit 4ATK

[swift mango]

Still 4 more slot to go

[modern heath]

is there a simple guide to pvp

why every guide is like a harry potter novel

for beginners
i want to start somewhere simple before reading all the spreadsheets and mechanics