pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

ages ago

[swift mango]

Even with XMaiden I keep indom on Jackal.

[shell hazel]

maybe some months, 1-2 months at least

[fathom rock]

Me pepega

[shell hazel]

think it was combo of rosa remove link + some SG was shooting my LapT at p5 :9

I mentioned that LapT had better gen at 2RL here #pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

XMaiden isn't very good in indom jackal. I though she was perfect but she keep indom Jackal whether I put jackal p1 or 5. Even 2-4.

[shell hazel]

I posted images but discord chomped off the actual gen shots lol

[unique wagon]

Bcus u sak Blood

[fathom rock]

But is this enough to make lapT 1 tier above lib xmaid

[shell hazel]

no imo

but it does mean that if we get power creep likely xmaiden off the christmas list first

for now similar

[swift mango]

Well clip RL is always worth it. XMaiden depends on the season meta.

[fathom rock]

looks at anis

[swift mango]

She is still S tier in the list

[fathom rock]

Same tier as centi

[unique wagon]

Just quit pvp

[fathom rock]

You ok man?

[unique wagon]

Play jiggle game where there is no jiggle

[swift mango]

Nah I won't

[unique wagon]

Why even play PvP there is 0 jiggle there

Pointless

[fathom rock]

Why play when jiggle is free on yt

[unique wagon]

Play Solo Ret instead

[swift mango]

Centi worth more just Kinesix like to do that.

[unique wagon]

kinesix

[fathom rock]

Not like we can trina sss to fix that
Anis A tier is cursed

[unique wagon]

f u

[swift mango]

Kesinix

[fathom rock]

Enuff bully

[swift mango]

I mean, XMaiden is more useful than Centi in Arena is enough cursed.

[fathom rock]

Also can't put them with clip sgs and can't put trina same as centi

[swift mango]

Tbf they can be same tier.

Sure a bit better but not too much

[versed mesa]

Does Xmaiden need specific CS% or other stats or can you make do with general OL, atleast early so you can get her in a team?

[fathom rock]

Sg feeds tho

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

I'd just do this lol - anyone who is SPA meta SS or higher makes sense

[fathom rock]

Trina sss bad idea tho no?

[swift mango]

1/3-5 team. You can't use XMaiden in place of SG either.

[shell hazel]

I dunno she has some benefits over centi/anis

[fathom rock]

But that further plays into scarlet sss

[swift mango]

Could down Scarlet, Emi.

[shell hazel]

similar gen, buffs elec AR, and may buff future elec AR - imo at least better

[fathom rock]

That makes life much harder unironically

[shell hazel]

nah because trina doesn't need scarlet, scarlet needs trina

[swift mango]

Both doesn't need neither tbh.

[fathom rock]

Trina is higher than centi because scarlet needs her tho

[shell hazel]

but also trina just generally better than centi, more uses and better future potential

[fathom rock]

I am not going back to the trina less days and convincing myself that

Trina sss and I think i can fix rest just from that change alone

Inb4 SS b3s will just be cindy?

[swift mango]

What if Trina SSS and Scarlet SS

[fathom rock]

What's the argument for that like tho

[swift mango]

Scarlet isn't very good in SpA now.

She is like team 4-5 in CA as well

[fathom rock]

I mean trina sss

If scar is ss

[swift mango]

Well, we need one of Scar-Trina in SSS to reflect CA usage

[fathom rock]

Would scar be S tier without trina

[swift mango]

SS

Or S maybe who know

2rl Scar Blanc RH is still annoying to beat

[fathom rock]

Trina less scarlet didn't feel so good when I lacked trina
Making her 2rl while buffing nuke enough, making other comps and making he live is a nightmare

[fathom rock]

Needs feed tho

[swift mango]

Yeah. Trina makes building teams easier.

[shell hazel]

you'd probably just skip that team not beacuse of of scar but because of blanc

[swift mango]

This team is always 2rl so long as HelmT linked and not again Rosa with 4 normal RL/SR

[fathom rock]

If it runs blanc, vesti is indeed just better

[gray socket]

Just bricked my pvp privileges, turned to PvPless now. Swipe or just keep bricked pvp privileges?

[shell hazel]

so many expensive pieces there

[swift mango]

That's why without Trina scarlet is only worth S-SS now

[shell hazel]

you bricked those ages ago

[fathom rock]

This takes so many resources out of other comps

[gray socket]

Yep

[shell hazel]

if you restart then are you capable of staying ahead? if not then you'll just brick again

[swift mango]

Viable in Rookie and SPA at least

[shell hazel]

if you're casual then don't bother starting again

[gray socket]

Unless if I see 1 move that can gain progress, if only I keep playing if I am lucky they are inactive.

[fathom rock]

What would other 2 spa comps look like

[gray socket]

I know

[shell hazel]

you'll never catch up

[gray socket]

Swiping 💳

[shell hazel]

not worth it

[fathom rock]

Bro needs a zant sum of money to catch up not worth

[shell hazel]

you'd be better off starting a new account and swiping on that

you're trying to swipe a massive deficit

[gray socket]

True

Or wait for re:zero rerun then reroll.

[shell hazel]

yeah that could work

[fathom rock]

Just look at zant.
Its possible but like no way you value your money this low

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

you'd need tens of thousands of $'s to catch up

[shell hazel]

team 1 you wipe with indom
team 3 you wipe with vesti noah

[gray socket]

Yep, that's why I didn't touch special pvp, missed out on passive income

[fathom rock]

Lib nuke slow but ig your hand is forced

[swift mango]

Tell me a single SpA line up that I can't beat

[shell hazel]

lib may nuke team 1

[gray socket]

Anyways, time to take a reroll if re:zero Collab reruns.

[fathom rock]

Rrh beats team 1?

[shell hazel]

is not the point more so that it's an expensive scar team that you can just skip 😛

I'm not running scar anymore

in my SPA def

[shell hazel]

you should still do some matches for the sake of it but don't worry about the result too much

[swift mango]

This Vesti is also 2rl so long as Vesti 5% CS or more. 11% and it's equal everyone 11% CS.

[gray socket]

Right.

[shell hazel]

that's better yes

[strange linden]

man the playtime is over, my opponent got Label and beat my team

[shell hazel]

yeah she doesn't need much CS to get that to 2RL

lib as main b3 is abusable

[swift mango]

Scar indom is still hard to beat for many people. And it beat Vesti indom as well

[shell hazel]

I'd trina instead of Centi as well

for moran

[fathom rock]

B2 and B3?
Sss: trina blanc noah biscu | besti helmt SwHA scar emi
Ss : bayT centi | cindy
S : nayu nero anis | lapT lib xmaid mihara drakeT bsoda Noir Ada

Feels cluttered

[swift mango]

If I made the tier list I would no doubt drop Scarlet by now

SSS
B1: Moran, Rosa, Jackal
B2: Trina, Biscuit, Noah.
B3: Helm, SW, Vesti

[fathom rock]

Not even jackal?

[swift mango]

[fathom rock]

But like if scar is dropped to ss what does that mean for cind

[swift mango]

Everyone get drop

[fathom rock]

Icic

[shell hazel]

drop em all lol

[fathom rock]

I can ball with this

Lemme organize this

[shell hazel]

I already said I think scar/cindy drop here

they both lost some relevance

[fathom rock]

The drop of 2026
The day rh b3 becomes B tier

[swift mango]

[fathom rock]

Therefore sss - s is general meta, a is niche/ca and B and below is situational/replace

[fathom rock]

It's painful but it makes sense

[shell hazel]

RH no good as B3 anymore

more use as B1 and backup B3 only

time to find out if I died or not

[swift mango]

Yeah, RH is B even with current tier list tbh

[fathom rock]

Thank you both for the time and effort I'll order some stuff then see how it fares

[shell hazel]

dead

also dead @crystal flicker

[fathom rock]

in the end the finals will have 2 peeps with cn/jp name

[swift mango]

Depend. Tbh.

[raven plover]

we dead together 🤝

[fathom rock]

My global bracket like that man

[swift mango]

Maybe you should give me your champion team this CA man.

SEA rarely sees a CN name on top.

And people send me team global, NA, CN rarely seen too

[umbral belfry]

@jagged mesa he was supposed to win!!

[fathom rock]

Ogey I have a couple of accs I'll send when the time is here

[umbral belfry]

@dense kindle

[fathom rock]

Today is 32 right?

Tomorrow 16
21 8
22 4
23 finals
I go set reminder

[swift mango]

Thank you bro. Could send in the union discord since you are there.

[swift mango]

My 2.5 RL Cindy got killed by 2 SG in SpA was painful.
Can't test team at all.

Because I'm not sure it's applied to CA

[gaunt pulsar]

@oak hatch gj, some was real clean

[shell hazel]

my opponent didn't run scar either

but they did have some shoddy team 5

[unique wagon]

Which id good

The backup matterd

[shell hazel]

lots of good backup b3 though

[unique wagon]

Fot somr compd

She can b1 yho

[shell hazel]

with like 2 burst gen at 2RL

[fathom rock]

After this I'll probably read event story

[unique wagon]

Bruh my typos

[swift mango]

Only in CA. In SpA, you don't really need it.

[unique wagon]

Bruh

[shell hazel]

her issues are beyond just b1 or b3 or w/e she has no burst gen

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

Her burst gen is RNG

[shell hazel]

people run often in SPA because they have her built for pve

[swift mango]

5.6 to 11.2 in 2rl.

Just get lucky

https://tenor.com/view/kolow-gif-22856605

[shell hazel]

easy 😛

[placid bloom]

My Lib got blocked by Bay

[shell hazel]

I got smoked but my matches here, neither me or my opponent using scar so interesting from that perspective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFb-Aa3k-OI

[placid bloom]

either my Lib peepee or CA cover is tankier

[swift mango]

Blocked by biscuit*

[placid bloom]

Biscuit didn't trigger no? Her HP was always above 50%

and my SR shooting SWHA

[oak hatch]

ty, somehow won while losing both cindy matches

[swift mango]

It did triggered on bay

[placid bloom]

wait nvm I see Biscuit trigger

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, rosanna conceal saved her in t1

[placid bloom]

shit I think my SWHA proc trigger Biscuit and screw me over

[jagged mesa]

Smh taking everything for yourself

[gaunt pulsar]

she do be fire, so swha could

[swift mango]

I mean, Bay linked counted nuke dmg into instants from left to right like Jackal link.

Libby wipe counted as 5 hits from p1 to p5 by the link. So Bay HP would get lowered 5 times and always trigger Biscuit.

[oak hatch]

I’m so dead next match

[gaunt pulsar]

would be watching t4 t5 with great interest

[oak hatch]

T4 0 chance

[gaunt pulsar]

top is attack right?

[oak hatch]

My sgs prob need some more investment to win Cindy

[oak hatch]

Yeah

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

now I'm never gonna be let back in your sp

[placid bloom]

can't beat 2 time champion

can only beat 1 time champion

star diff

[shell hazel]

I did have some weaknesses I wanted to iron out for next run, we'll cook again and full send

[swift mango]

I thought I found a good team for Label but it just doesn't work.

[unique wagon]

Magic

Maguc

[placid bloom]

can't save Biscuit for different team

[fast nest]

You countered my team

[oak hatch]

nah no chance im winning

[swift mango]

I trying to make a good cook with Label if unsuccessful I would tell @unique wagon that Label not worth Tier A. And build a worse team for Label anyway.

[swift mango]

That's what the winner said before they won

[oak hatch]

me against 5-6x winner

[swift mango]

Super smol bracket winner anyway.

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-ooh-oooh-ooooh-oooooh-gif-19977128

[shell hazel]

Hime how did you do?

[swift mango]

Is he also a whale? Who buy research?

[shell hazel]

continue on without me Hime

[umbral belfry]

but I fear this is where my story ends but for realsies this time

nah dw hippo imma see you real soon

[shell hazel]

I look forward to it!

[umbral belfry]

[oak hatch]

gotta ask baron for that, my research naturally low compared to others cuz younger acc

[swift mango]

Could easily check random accounts.

Smol bracket you just need to start investing.

If he is whaling research then nvm

[fast nest]

I understand what you meant about smol group. I started NA account, and there were match likem more than 300 lvl skk lvl diff. Our league is not like that.

When I won 3~4th times, already 80~90% filled. But you kept descirbing 50% filled.

[gaunt pulsar]

pretty sure he just means lower level accounts/newer players when saying "small bracket"

[fast nest]

When I won 5th times 2% lacked.

[swift mango]

Smol bracket people doesn't invest. So just need investment to catch up. Unless research whale

[fast nest]

When I won 6th 7th times, all filled

[swift mango]

With smol account.

[fast nest]

You do you

[umbral belfry]

yeah baron get him

[swift mango]

Send me 10 guys in your bracket with competent teams.

No 5 is enough

[fathom rock]

Does anyone still use reiT

[swift mango]

Screw it I bring her next CA.

Who care about getting killed by Vesti.

F Vesti.

I was vibing with ReiT then Vesti come

[steel meteor]

man i give up, the cp diff is way too much, theres no way to continue on

[fathom rock]

Sr has fps and crit and rock diff come join me

[steel meteor]

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit my salad died

[fathom rock]

Yes veggies rot fast

[umbral belfry]

your rocks are mine

[hollow lagoon]

i lost the battle but won the war tho

[steel meteor]

tbh im pretty sure i just dont know how to build my teams to be more effective WITH cp gap, stoned

[fathom rock]

I will go read event story let's hope I live to see another day

[oak hatch]

There probably only about this much with competent teams but they all whales so gonna be hard

Maybe somewhere between 7-9

[swift mango]

If they had right team, right CP and right doll level then their team is competent.

10 guys is when it had competition in the bracket.

When 20 guys having investment things start getting rng

[oak hatch]

Lemme send the guy I just matched

[swift mango]

Ofc if one guy having research level above the rest then he would mostly win.

[oak hatch]

There’s dumb character placements and one team is questionable but yeah it’s not the worst

[umbral belfry]

rosa p1

at least they got the spirit

[swift mango]

They have 2 right teams. 1 okay team, 2 meh ones

[oak hatch]

Yeah last ca winner got very lucky against cindoro and they copied that Rosa placement

[umbral belfry]

rosa should never be p1 unless in some rare jackal link

[oak hatch]

I mean those aren’t the most meta teams but they are competent with right doll levels and cp

[rancid relic]

Something that beat this in rookie

[swift mango]

Jackal link she should still be p2-5

P1 is just giving out free wins

[umbral belfry]

yeah that's fair

[oak hatch]

My slow cindy lost against that team so

[swift mango]

But not right teams

[umbral belfry]

[oak hatch]

Which one

Vesti one I agree

[swift mango]

SG and Vesti.

[oak hatch]

Sg is normal team just the Rosa placement is bad

[oak hatch]

And I still lost to it anyway so it doesn’t matter

[umbral belfry]

your rocks are safe

[swift mango]

That's not what I called normal.

[lunar pawn]

when opp's vesti bursts and you don't have survivability

[umbral belfry]

tbh I have noticed slow cindy has a high chance to be cooked vs sg nayu ver

[swift mango]

Looks at Soda.

[umbral belfry]

at least in my bracket

[lunar pawn]

yes, soda will keep you alive

[oak hatch]

but with those doll levels and cp as long as they use any meta characters/teams its gonna be challenging

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/etenals-siege-etenals-etenals-love-you-too-beo-too-gif-6711351673159019165

[swift mango]

Soda in Vesti team help opponent to win.

[lunar pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/expand-on-that-seth-meyers-late-night-with-seth-meyers-tell-me-more-explain-gif-20031393

is she og soline in pve equivalent

[umbral belfry]

og soda quite literally is doing nothing on that specific team

she's not bursting

[swift mango]

3rl team without tons of feeds. Worse, Soda may steal link from Noise then got Vesti countered to death.

[hollow eagle]

chat I messed up

[oak hatch]

Yeah they copied it from last ca winner too who got very lucky against cindoro

They don’t even think, just copy

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/fb-f-band-i-gdown-gif-23334383

[hollow eagle]

how did I won by getting this far

[fathom rock]

Offburst label is that....

No b2...

[umbral belfry]

😭

[swift mango]

Team win against scarlet and maybe SG shotting at Moran.

[hollow lagoon]

helm heals atleast

[hollow eagle]

this was the original team I planned, but when I put it in practice, I forgot to put in Bay

[lunar pawn]

but how does that factor in when vesti already bursted vs a no survivability team

[fathom rock]

Imagine how funny it would be if you just win ca like that

[hollow eagle]

naw, no way

lose today I bet

[fathom rock]

Rng paves a way

[swift mango]

Vesti would die without bursting. If soda linked Vesti may just die without normal attack.

[lunar pawn]

the meme is about when vesti already bursted though or are you just trauma dumping rn cus that happened to you

[oak hatch]

@fast nest it has never been this low

[swift mango]

[lunar pawn]

[swift mango]

Vesti does die to scarlet counter sometime when you are much lower research or getting Crit. I remember 1 match happened like that but not sure scar was mine or not

[hollow lagoon]

man i end up noir bursting because of my disadvantage sg vs sg positioning, but 4 atk rolled noir burst pulled thru

[lunar pawn]

think a lot of variables need to fall into place for you to get destroyed by scar counter only

unless it's a water mg shooting scarlet lol

[swift mango]

And a MG linked contribute greatly to that.

[lunar pawn]

and people were crying about label being a scarlet nerf smh

[swift mango]

You won't be killed by Scarlet counter before burst if you use label and a team 3rl of faster

[coarse lake]

Rosa:

[umbral belfry]

I mean this is still true

scar does baby dmg with an enemy label

[coarse lake]

Bay is scar nerf, I ain't crying about it tho

[swift mango]

Libby is Bay nerf

[umbral belfry]

scar has 3 bad teams in ca now noah, bay, and label

[coarse lake]

Apparently bay bisc blocks lib easily, seems like it's overflowing through bay, which makes sense

[umbral belfry]

but I will still use her

[swift mango]

Rosa and 2rl blanc

[umbral belfry]

[coarse lake]

But there was also 3 defender too, so maybe just too much invuln

[swift mango]

Bay biscuit block everything easy.

[coarse lake]

Embrace the scar Rosa jack

[swift mango]

Rosa won't unlink bay link.

[coarse lake]

Just snipe dps lah

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

ur bracket just wants the silver frame

[oak hatch]

They voted wrong person for that

[hollow lagoon]

lul kekekekek

[swift mango]

Even my smol bracket in SEA is caught up now. My only 2 CA losing at League was in Smol bracket. And there are 20 guys or more with competent teams there.
Gained my teams these days are not the best but at least they are kinda competent.

It doesn't matter much Emi or not now after SW, unless you had 25% Emi.

[coarse lake]

[shell hazel]

eh having more good burst gen is a good thing - you got both even better

[coarse lake]

Then there are the baby brackets, where it seems to still be a bunch of sus teams

[swift mango]

I mean you could build SG, Slow Cindy and 3 2rl teams without Emi.

There is also Vesti Absolute.

That does not need much burst gen

[shell hazel]

I considered this one but the absolute comp in fire raids didn't seem that good - so you're having to build several units just for CA more or less or cope raid comps

maybe there will be some meta changes that at least make emma/eunwha good, but for now I'm not building CA only stuff anymore tbh, or at least I'll try to avoid doing it

it's worse if it's 2-3 units needing to be built that see no real other use

vesti works good on her own so I have no issue having her built but the others are ???

[swift mango]

My girl Hoshiguma is training herself. I'm satisfied.

[tropic summit]

it will resurrect

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit ros jackal helmt (rosanna assumed 7/10/10, SR5-SR15, 20-40%atk 40%ele)

[wintry viper]

hi all, wanted to ask who is going to win between these 2 players in CA

[swift mango]

Okay. Now that I think about it. Soda in Noise+Noad team could RNG counter Scar Soda team or Rosa team. But how much does it worth though.

[valid inlet]

@formal quiver Oops I thought I was likely to lose to you, it was a good fight, and we are the very few Label believers in our bracket ... good luck next season

[oak hatch]

That’s the thing, it’s not worth

It was pretty close against him 3-2 but some more investment and I should beat that guy easier

[swift mango]

Right has more chance. Win 3-5. Just need 1 more. Better if their scarlet 30-32 ammo.

[oak hatch]

That is if he continues to copy sus teams

[formal quiver]

tyty glgl looks decently free for you til finals? edone got stunlocked by a new unit and threw away his shotguns

hope im not jinxing you xd

[shell hazel]

I was trying to counter label by not running any core elec dps 😄

I didn't meet anyone running label

[valid inlet]

I do think so but let’s see lower bracket has been easier always in our bracket, kinda weird

[shell hazel]

[valid inlet]

Maybe ppl are still building it

[shell hazel]

blood instead of come to my bracket and run your label against me so I can justify it

[swift mango]

Then you got your Rosa countered ....
If you wanted, like @coarse lake said, use Scar and Rosa together can kinda counter label

[formal quiver]

something suspicious with the seeding it happens way too often

[valid inlet]

I see <5 Labels among the top winners in our bracket so far

[shell hazel]

i'll review the top 8 teams when we get there sometimes some interesting ideas

my opponent had same idea as me (no elec core dps) and also did no slow cindy

I know slow cindy can still work/bypass label

[valid inlet]

I’m doing Blanc SW Biscuit Label Cindy this season, my strongest team this season so far

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

I ran these in case anyone wants to see what me and my opponent burnt the kitchen with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFb-Aa3k-OI

[swift mango]

I don't even have a good label team now. The last on crashed badly because Cindy can't even tank 2 SG.

[valid inlet]

I haven’t been thrown in the lower bracket for so long, finally

[rich ledge]

Oo that's what I said too with scar Rosanna

[shell hazel]

it's OK I think my scar has other counter issues anyway

[swift mango]

You can build your label team to counter Rosa but it's high effort

[shell hazel]

bump into 2RL noah or bay often

[rich ledge]

In the end I didn't run it anyway just put swha with scarlet

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

That helps against SG but still auto lose to label

[swift mango]

A good CS team needs to 3 wins against common CA teams. So I still haven't done with Label....

But you could still meet hard counter anyway.

Label self stun is a pain to put her in p5 and still use her burst skill

[rancid relic]

Sr15 doll but not so invested

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

barely any atk and no ele, probably non lethal

your other option is trying to emilia it

then again i just noticed you're in deficit penalty, so you're likely not gonna beat that stall team

you need 2.208k CP

[swift mango]

I just random cheer these past 2 days and the result ... I guess my luck is bad

Losing 50/50 twice

[tropic summit]

i'm going to teach you a secret: vote the opposite of what you vote when you vote randomly

RNG will be confused and let you win

it works 50% of the time

[swift mango]

Wtf how couldnt I think of it? Genius

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/simpsons-hank-scorpio-1

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-in-glasses-smart-cat-funny-animals-gif-12403859

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/power-chainsaw-man-17

[shell hazel]

the glasses really do sell it

strong moran vibes

[placid bloom]

but no book

[swift mango]

Left guy could have had a good time if it wasn't Anis b2.

This cheer is hard.

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

So I won.

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-hyouka-13

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hyouka-oreki-gif-19834996

[swift mango]

Lose now

[tropic summit]

nice crit

you and your weird crits

[swift mango]

Not really matter, Helm would be killed either way

[tropic summit]

as for here it looks like you were slower? did you whiff cuz you killed scarlet too early?

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

yeah nice noah instead of scarlet

[swift mango]

His helmT should have high CS.
My team wasn't 2rl but burst at 2nd shot of SW so a bit slower

[swift mango]

Double Crit on helmT double shots lol

[swift mango]

Yeah, his helmT has high CS, so a bit of feed makes him burst really fast. Testing team many times on him already.

[tropic summit]

guy gonna wake up and be like "dafuq dis guy"

[unique wagon]

Hime, can you provide your valuable insight pls thanks

[umbral belfry]

huh?

what am I supposed to be looking at for insight

[unique wagon]

Give opinion on Prydwen new PvP TL placing (question marks mean not sure, Nero likely will be moved to A)

[umbral belfry]

oooh

[formal quiver]

label ss if SP is a consideration and it's not just CA

entirely meta warping even if not used on defense

[strange linden]

So Label mid in CA? Lmao
She only brought Scarlet demise and nothing else

[swift mango]

Mana is floating on high rank for awhile I did used her to get champ long ago and shit. But I don't think she has any actual use.

[unique wagon]

I'm waiting for Hime's essay

[unique wagon]

Also Mana was "glorified" by Keripo

[swift mango]

He doesn't even use Mana

[unique wagon]

I might keep RRH in A tbh

[glad meteor]

[unique wagon]

The only unit that makes sense still

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/death-note-41

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-5787005613059506418

[swift mango]

I was praising Mana revive up to the cloud when she first released and cooks lots with her too. Now she is waiting to be resetted.

Figured someone had to say sth about Mana.

[unique wagon]

She was good when it was SG meta in SpA.

[umbral belfry]

• ngl I have no clue what zwei does lmao. idk if she's b-level given how uncommon she is in general?

• think pascal can be rated in b just for the sole fact he's decent burst gen, such as pepper

• rh, siren, and label are acceptable. could make an argument for label being in s

• nero imo is fine in s, but she needs high investment. maybe make a note of that somewhere?

• TUeunhwa is fine in a

• non treasure poli is rated too high imo. I don't even think she's good enough for c

• bunny ade and crown in b is questionable. could make an argument for crown assuming what team she's on (e.g absolute)

• could make an argument to put scar down in ss. but imo sss is fine

• emi miiight be ss maybe? great burst gen but wouldn't put her in the same league as sw and vesti

• lapT fine in ss, can see xmaid in s personally. she's good burst gen, off burst dmg, and nukes. but so is lapT but she's just better burst gen + off burst dmg

• ada s is fine. mihara is complicated due to her rng factor, I guess acceptable?

[swift mango]

Like never

[umbral belfry]

my 2 cents. g2g get ready for work now bye bye

[unique wagon]

It was till... SGs are no longer meta and CA got released.

[umbral crown]

Working so far

[glad meteor]

Ada s is fine? i have to rethink out friendship

[swift mango]

SG meta era was when Mana not even a concept

[tropic summit]

yeah i'm about to block

[umbral belfry]

shh!

[tropic summit]

might steal 1 or 2 doggies

[umbral belfry]

you think she's ss?

I can't see her as sss

[glad meteor]

I’ll steal 2

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

Yh

[umbral belfry]

okay I poof for realsies bye bye

[swift mango]

Ada should be SSS because I said so.

[tropic summit]

we boolied hime @glad meteor

[glad meteor]

hime leaving

[unique wagon]

Where Treasure poli go then

[glad meteor]

listen to blood

[unique wagon]

Can bribe Keripo's TL for that

[tropic summit]

reaching whole new levels of trust me bro

[swift mango]

Nah, now she is D.

[glad meteor]

No comment. I can’t get warned in maincord

[shell hazel]

blending in? 😛

[tropic summit]

that tierlist is worthless the moment someone gonna make a defense team anyway, at least on a very general level it does tell you units that are worth investing in situationally and most SSS units fit anywhere... i guess that's a positive

[glad meteor]

Sugar should be same tier as noir I think, iron SG is strong

[covert lintel]

You type a misleading word

[shell hazel]

p.s. I agree with what blood said earlier how can we @ you when your name doesn't contain Rosy? 🙂

[tropic summit]

D stands for Di||r||k

[glad meteor]

CN/tw g—ns keel moran with sugar and boda ele

[umbral belfry]

poliT being in A is acceptable but no higher imo

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

since rosy keeps changing alias i always use dis

[glad meteor]

His banner pfp

[swift mango]

He can't run away

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fadding-smart

[covert lintel]

You marked him

[unique wagon]

Ok will do:

Tag Updates

• High Investments
  Added to Nero, Moran, and Rosanna.

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

What about @atomic wolf ?

[unique wagon]

Thanks

[tropic summit]

hime wisdom received

[unique wagon]

This is more sad

[umbral belfry]

you can ask k/rail/blood why they think ada is ss over s. I guess I can see the reason why but would be good to hear their opinions

oops LMAO 1 sec

[tropic summit]

he already did, we whipped him

[umbral belfry]

bullies

[tropic summit]

and accused me of hating him

[shell hazel]

booolyyy

[unique wagon]

Yey thank you

[swift mango]

Friending her is considered sexual harassment

[tropic summit]

friendzoned before being friendzoned is a whole new level

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/zasbaka-gif-19099112

[unique wagon]

Ayo wdym

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

I'll tell the doggos you all said hi

[shell hazel]

I'm guilty of this 🙁

Hime I'm sorry!

[unique wagon]

They said Ada indom = good. That's the only thing they said.

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-pikachu-images-pika-pikachu-meme-pikachu-dance-gif-17955456804118188085

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/yuru-camp-shima-rin-1

[covert lintel]

#pvp-arena message
This is one of the reason

[umbral belfry]

they might be talking about her buffing true dmg + atk buff too? ada indom is good though I won't deny that

[swift mango]

When did I say anything

[tropic summit]

that's blood, don't mix me up in his weird fetish builds

[umbral belfry]

so I can see ada being ss the more I think about it

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

Ada is good indom dps and can kill moran consistently
One of best off burst buffers
Can act as a backup dps

[atomic wolf]

what now

[shell hazel]

Ada biggest issue is her burst gen mid

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

Gay.

[glad meteor]

If her burst gen was op she would be sss

[shell hazel]

means you need to run her with at least one good burst gen like helmT or SW etc usually

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

So Ada only good with SW, that's S tier for her because the SSS is SWHA.

[atomic wolf]

why was i summoned chi ba

[shell hazel]

nah not only her but you have to make up burst gen elsewhere on the team

or at least it's a consideration as to why Ada is not higher

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

the more i read about this tierlist, the more it keeps trying to not be situational but is still situational... sounds like hell

[glad meteor]

ada is good with emi, vesti, sw, and any dps, it’s just we dont run other dps because they aren’t good enough

[tropic summit]

doesn't help that some units get better in tier when combined with other units

really should listen to eon's suggestion

[unique wagon]

But... do you normally run Ada

[glad meteor]

I run her all the time

[unique wagon]

Let me check some use rates.

[swift mango]

Idk where did you infer that from but okay.

[shell hazel]

misunderstanding what I said I think

[swift mango]

Ada is whatever just like Mana.

[placid bloom]

Ada is overkill if you are using her as buffer for most of the stronger B3, I only use her for hitting deficit

[tropic summit]

just add atk/defense/ca tier and we're gold

[placid bloom]

Not really worth dropping other utility for her usually

[tropic summit]

situational unit, in some scenarios you want the lifesteal and extra dmg

[glad meteor]

Can’t kill Moran sometimes, ada buff secures those match ups

[swift mango]

She is better than RH for my Emi. I think.

[shell hazel]

Ada does have the negative thing of being colab/limited and therefore I'm stuck on 0LB forever

[placid bloom]

Well RH just bad I think

[dense kindle]

At least you won, carry on for me 🥲

[tropic summit]

wdym i'm always stuck on 0LB

[placid bloom]

Ada don’t need burst to buff

[tropic summit]

welcome to the f2p boat

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-he-just-like-he-just-like-me-fr-meme-gif-573734217303447410

[wheat falcon]

guys when does it become impossible to catch up in pvp?

[shell hazel]

it's because you're hoarding gems and rocks for Nikke 3.0 😄

[unique wagon]

Actually Ada's win rate is very high

[placid bloom]

RH cannot be used in a lot of situations where team order matter

[tropic summit]

when you've took too long breaks or slacked on campaign progress

also this, multilply enemy CP for 0.846, if your team is lower, you're in deficit

[swift mango]

It's just you not whaling enough.

[placid bloom]

Depends what you mean by catch up

[wheat falcon]

I'd like to get more than the 300 gem minimum each season but at this point I think its impossible

[unique wagon]

56.6% winrate in CA, compared to Jack 58% and Noah 60% pretty good

[placid bloom]

You can still get to diamond of there is enough slacker

Challenger you have to be active almost perma though

[unique wagon]

All uses are with SWHA and Vesti though

[swift mango]

To be frank you win rate is really crooked.

[tropic summit]

all he needs is that nayuta lib and noah biscuit vesti team

climb even on 30% deficit

[wheat falcon]

I doubt it, Im only commander level 250 something and Im running into level 500s in gold

[placid bloom]

Yeah you are done

[tropic summit]

commander level is less relevant, check synchro

[wheat falcon]

Im syncro 210

[tropic summit]

if you're behind of well over 40-60 from the average, you screwed up

[unique wagon]

XMaiden has similar winrate or better than Ada though

[placid bloom]

Pretty sure commander level is faster than sync early on

[swift mango]

I really wanted to see more peeps using Ada on this discord. Or even showing anyone using her.

[placid bloom]

Cuz you get so much commander exp but you are bottlenecked by 5 char for sync

[terse abyss]

im working on her atm but dunno where to slot her in

[wheat falcon]

I made my account back when scarlet bs was first running, but I lost interest in a a few days

[umbral belfry]

you see my opponent, I fear he's gonna steal my star

[swift mango]

The same few guys winning with her in Jpn doesn't count

[tropic summit]

mine is still lvl 1, waiting for the day i actually need her

outside of CA ofc

[placid bloom]

I mean she is hard to fit for CA

You can only really use her for indom

[tropic summit]

vestiTU and SWHA indom teams can slot her with ease

[swift mango]

54% use and win rate.

[tropic summit]

rest of the teams... maybe the moran noah helm variants

[placid bloom]

But people rather use Blanc with Cinderella

[unique wagon]

Ada's winrate in Top 8 JP across 4 seasons have been above 50%

[tropic summit]

ye that's a choice to make, proper slow cindy or indom with lifesteal

[swift mango]

When I can't even spot anyone using her in my bracket recently aside from me. Or anyone showing her being used in their bracket.

[terse abyss]

where do u get access to winrates?

[unique wagon]

Mihara's winrate is dropping. Ada's winrate is leveling around 55%.

[shell hazel]

I feel this underlying data may be skewed somewhere?

[placid bloom]

Most of the matchups for Vesti indom are already winning for Vesti though is the thing

Even without Ada

[swift mango]

Sure the same 10 whale using and winning with her. (Ada)

[unique wagon]

Maiden winrate increasing from 55% to 65%.

[swift mango]

[terse abyss]

tbh my vesti team needs work in champions but thats mainly because it lacks speed

[umbral belfry]

ohi I think you're in my ca bracket

[unique wagon]

How do I know, even data from any server can be skewed.

[umbral belfry]

yknow what screw it. ada can be ss

[unique wagon]

And servers may have different metas.

[terse abyss]

first time i beat a guy outside group stages so its an improvement this week

[unique wagon]

No. We do poll.

[umbral belfry]

can't say it's not fair with a poll then

(quick everyone make alt accounts)

[unique wagon]

I thought Blood wanted her in SS but now is against her in SS Idk what he means

[swift mango]

You should post the source teams you are using for the win rate bro. So we could check if the same whale guys keep winning and inflate the rate of your chart.

[unique wagon]

[tropic summit]

some chinese dude with 100 accounts ready to vote

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

10000

[covert lintel]

Rosanna should be sss too

[umbral belfry]

might be pushing that one

[unique wagon]

Idk if it's allowed to be shared here.

[tropic summit]

wait she isn't?

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

[covert lintel]

Last time i checked it's ss for pvp

[terse abyss]

damn insider trading data that cant be shared, legit business in nikke

[tropic summit]

holy f...

[swift mango]

No reason it's not

[shell hazel]

wish blabla had data on the CA matches then we'd actually have accurate info

[unique wagon]

Well its not publicly shared so Id assume no

[swift mango]

Rossanna SS, Blanc SSS

[shell hazel]

but nope beta forever

[tropic summit]

doesn't make money for SU, waste of resources

[tropic summit]

gods

[umbral belfry]

if rosa is sss, do you think scar is still sss? bc they both suffer from the label curse

[shell hazel]

they did update the union raid stuff lately I was quite surprised

[umbral belfry]

granted scar is much much worse

[covert lintel]

Blablalink became lewd

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[tropic summit]

cuz SU invests on SRs, they're the main source to promote a unit being released and units means banners, means money

[glad meteor]

Surely rosa dispels

[swift mango]

Maybe some guys not allowed you to share but I don't think it's the mod.

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

Right. BlaBla where the stuff is

[covert lintel]

But that's fine
I'm tired of twitter

[swift mango]

Rosa actually counter label unless you built label team to specifically counter Rosa. Which no one did.

[umbral belfry]

sasuga, rosanna

[glad meteor]

Believe rosa dispels the dmg taken buff and the opponent is pve main that doesnt brick their dps

[shell hazel]

Ros stonks up

[covert lintel]

Yeah
I won against label in league

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[covert lintel]

With rosanna

[unique wagon]

Label has been used as deterrent so far.

and B1 in one comp.

[umbral belfry]

ah that's right, bc label comes with an unga bunga atk buff

[shell hazel]

I think label may just wind up being "hey my opponent has 2RL scar easy win lol"

[tropic summit]

it is for the most part

[swift mango]

More than just one but they are crappy make shift anyway.

[tropic summit]

being a B1 buffer with decent atk% is her other role, situationally

[glad meteor]

Still shes defender. So needs to claw her way up with high invest

[unique wagon]

but there's a lot of Nayuta

[shell hazel]

that is lore accurate

[unique wagon]

people are doing B1 Label with Nayuta b2

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/getout-28

[glad meteor]

Lore

[glad meteor]

[unique wagon]

Ig the only other buffer for Nayuta is... Label other than RH/MirandaTr

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-no-come-back-come-back-get-back-here-dont-leave-gif-22388339

[swift mango]

Wait wait, is Nayuta currently S or SS in your list? It doesn't make any sense if Midhara or even XMaiden higher tier than her.

[umbral belfry]

I'm seeing mostly label on slow cindy. no more mihara

[tropic summit]

my god this gets worse every minute i read about that list

[umbral belfry]

guess it makes sense if rumani isn't p1 to counter scar and confirm the indom

[shell hazel]

good anti scar I guess

[unique wagon]

S

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[unique wagon]

Nayu can be SS but Im not sure

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

I can see nayu ss tbh

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

I can see nayu ass tbh

[unique wagon]

hmm ok

[umbral belfry]

but s is fine too

[swift mango]

What's there to not sure about.

[umbral belfry]

she's not sss tho

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

Ofc she isn't

[tropic summit]

he's not sure because it's gonna mess the list and gotta move units again

[glad meteor]

[unique wagon]

low winrate

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

(but high use rate)

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lewd-anime

[swift mango]

What CA comp doesn't use her now.

[unique wagon]

high use rate but her winrate is around 46-47%

maiden somehow sits at 61%+

[tropic summit]

the mere fact nayuta can help you beat teams on 25-30% deficit should make her SSS

[swift mango]

You mean win by actual winning each fight? It's just RNG bs lol.

And depending on team

[unique wagon]

Maiden got carried by Blanc Ada SWHA indom comp lmao

[swift mango]

Not just single nikke

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/skofqq-9

[swift mango]

Win rate of individual nikke is bs

[unique wagon]

Winning fights. It's RNG ofc but Maiden has held higher than 55% for 4 seasons even if bad RNG that's like lucky.

You can say she slots in better as fillers with higher winrate comps like SWHA Blanc Jack Ada

[tropic summit]

and ppl who check that list and that unit are gonna have to assume they're just gonna have to be lucky?

[swift mango]

It's the whole team. And that win rate accounting to fing Vesti, not XMaiden.

[glad meteor]

CA only caters to small amount of people as well though

[tropic summit]

what was the percentage... 4%?

or lower in fact

[unique wagon]

People use Nayuta in SpA?

[glad meteor]

Way less

[tropic summit]

yeah that's just silly

[unique wagon]

SS+ shud be yes to this question

[swift mango]

Yes. She is the only way to win AtK on deficit sometime.

[tropic summit]

absolutely

[unique wagon]

sometime that's like sometimes u use RH B1 on deficit...

[shell hazel]

you can run nayuta on def if you want to cp pad team 3 as well

[tropic summit]

she's one of the queens of deficit warfare

[shell hazel]

gives you the immune p1

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit
nayuta
jackal links + biscuit

^ whale hunters

[swift mango]

She is like 2nd biscuit, not RH.

[unique wagon]

yes RH B1 is in S therefore Nayuta being S makes perfect sense

[shell hazel]

nah nayuta is better for sure

[swift mango]

She isn't RH role

[unique wagon]

how better is better? 1%?

[tropic summit]

nayuta is core of deficit teams
RH is situational

[swift mango]

Not dying is infinity better

[tropic summit]

on that logic, nayuta is at least SS

[shell hazel]

like you'll use her more than RH

[glad meteor]

nayuta is a tech char, that wall abililty is really strong

[tropic summit]

not only wall char, she actually gives you a good B2 buff

and contributes some personal dmg, especially if buffed

[unique wagon]

Hmm

[covert lintel]

Nayu is super saiyan ver of makima

[tropic summit]

as blood mentioned, she's at the very least SS if not SSS

[unique wagon]

Fine

[swift mango]

SSS is pushing it. She isn't that useful in DEF team

Mostly ATK and CA

[tropic summit]

tell that to the whel that can wall you with nayuta p1 on deficit

see how it easily becomes SSS on def

[unique wagon]

S then. Mihara tier

[glad meteor]

[swift mango]

Midhara is trash in SpA and only useful in CA thanks to Cindy. The win rate of that team is accounting for Biscuit, not her.

Individual win rate is bs

[shell hazel]

what happened to SS nayuta? 😮

[tropic summit]

i brought her to my bedroom

[unique wagon]

that is true but still higher than SGs

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

[unique wagon]

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepe-frog-talking-discussing-meme-gif-26871471

[dense kindle]

I believe , do it for all your students

[swift mango]

She is the last link of that team. Unlike Rosa the first link of SG.

If slow Cindy win rate is 50% she worth 10%.
If SG Rosa win rate is 40% Rosa worth 39%

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/calculation-math-2

[unique wagon]

therefore Clip SGs are trash and therefore A is reasonable

[swift mango]

Therefore Midhara is trash

[unique wagon]

No, Midhara is 10%, Clip SG is 1% according to you

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor have some 🍿

[glad meteor]

They kinda are biscuit soline, against moran nayuta its side rng

[glad meteor]

🍿 🍹

[covert lintel]

Clip sg trash now since SWHA release

[swift mango]

I never said clip SG is 1%. I didn't split it like that.

Cindy is 40% on 50%.
Biscuit is 45% in 50%.

It's based on how important they are in a team

[unique wagon]

let me check Cindy winrate without Mihara then brb

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

we've reached the point you can afford slotting a siren in an indom team and still be 2RL

[swift mango]

SG Rosa needs 3+ SG or it's shit.

SG is basically half of that team

[covert lintel]

That's it

[tropic summit]

oh shiet a wild retro joins the room

[unique wagon]

Fine Mihara goes to A

[glad meteor]

Retro do overc||l||ock

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Siren stun 2rl Noah so she bursted at 3rl and block SW.

[tropic summit]

i was not prepared to that, almost spit my drink @glad meteor

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/smg4-mission-failed-successfully-1

[fathom rock]

What typa team is this that exposes noah, has her live this long and without backup b2

[placid bloom]

p1 Noah no Biscuit, no fear

[swift mango]

Noise+Noah+Rumani+Cindy+HelmT the classic.

[covert lintel]

I even come up with this for ca

[wild hemlock]

Everyone voting against me cause its the CN overlord but I just beat a guy who literally copy pasted the same teams (they might be right though)

[unique wagon]

Zwei will be dropped to C

[shell hazel]

yeah Zwei kind of trash even as random CA thing

[fathom rock]

Might be deserved if that happens
But where cs

[placid bloom]

check her bullet count

[shell hazel]

at least pepper has decent gen

[placid bloom]

me love double SG

[swift mango]

Not everyone has CS. So you lose to uninvested player.

[glad meteor]

Double sg. But no double dmg

[tropic summit]

zwei how much feed do you bring? yes

[shell hazel]

I never used her, is that how she works?

[placid bloom]

no

her shotgun each fire 5 pellet

if it was 10 pellet each that would be sad

[covert lintel]

Yeah only pepper is still decent now

[unique wagon]

higher buirst gen tho

[shell hazel]

well pepper is somewhat cope

but I'd rather run pepper than zwei

[unique wagon]

clip sg but double feed

[fathom rock]

Bro really said zwei

[glad meteor]

I have pepper cores

[tropic summit]

there's at least 1 guy in global that has zwei as the most invested unit

[terse abyss]

how bad is double feed?

[cunning crown]

it's a shame since dual wielding hand cannons is rad

[glad meteor]

Rei role booly zwei

[shell hazel]

twice as bad?

[placid bloom]

if there's no Jackal feed doesn't matter

[cunning crown]

zwei treasure when

[terse abyss]

yeah thats what i mean

[fathom rock]

It's not like that

[covert lintel]

Pepper so good

[terse abyss]

ppl keep talking about feed but if its only against one unit it doesnt mean much to me

[placid bloom]

and if there is no Scar then counter don't matter

[tropic summit]

she alone feeds for 4 times a no feed team

[terse abyss]

i dont really know what that means

[fathom rock]

40-40=0

[swift mango]

Tbf I was thinking you win rate for each Nikke was from the appearance that nikke in the winner teams in CA or individual player win. But if you could winning % of the team they were in then accounting that for them then it doesn't mean anything.

[shell hazel]

I ran pepper on a similar team didn't let me down

[tropic summit]

it means an enemy that is 86% to 2RL still get to 2RL via feed thanks to her alone

= bad

[fathom rock]

It means 4 jackal procs which is like 1 extra jackal shot for free for the enemy....

[terse abyss]

its a probability to get to 2RL? damn

[tropic summit]

no it's accumulated burst gen via any means

e.g. clip RL produce burst gen when they land a rocket
SGs when they land their pellets
then there's jackal gimmic
some units have procc effects

[fathom rock]

Basically they burst faster if they use jackal and zwei hits a linked nikke

[tropic summit]

all of that gives you an amount % of burst gen

[coarse lake]

just arguing tiers for the sake of ego now I guess, since the pvp tierlist fundamentally isn't useful

[terse abyss]

so it makes the opponent faster, but doesnt it make your own team faster too?

[placid bloom]

tbh nowadays you just assume every team is 2RL with how strong batteries are anyway

[fathom rock]

Feeding your enemy doesn't speed you up

[fathom rock]

I want to delete pvp tier-list and just make a team page but no

[tropic summit]

don't worry that convo already made its point earlier today

[placid bloom]

but you are at a disadvantage running heavy feed teams on defense because your opponent can run slower but stronger teams that still get sped up by your feed

[heavy hearth]

The lightning bolt on vesti would mean she has 15% charge speed is that correct?

[glad meteor]

Retro make prydwen pvp page

[tropic summit]

for vestiTU specifically 4-8% is enough

[terse abyss]

it is useful for a new player since i used it to level up/recruit the SSS units first

[umbral belfry]

[covert lintel]

21

[terse abyss]

cant say much for any units under SSS tho

[shell hazel]

I'd hide the CA units by default tbh and just have a toggle to show them if you want to see extra stuff

[umbral belfry]

this is gonna be radeki @ me @dense kindle

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-z-future-trunks-gif-25537919

[fathom rock]

The ones in sss will be broken no doubt that's the only good thing a tl can represent for almost all scenarios

[umbral belfry]

I stay getting bullied

[terse abyss]

how do people find out what has more "feed"?

[placid bloom]

smh not believing in yourself getting 2nd star

[tropic summit]

what really screws up those tierlist is the fact some units are situationally godlike and situationally useless

[fathom rock]

Number of hits they land

[heavy hearth]

If I have 9% on Vesti I can check that off or no?

[tropic summit]

ye u can check that off

[placid bloom]

every weapon type shoots a specific number of bullets at a different rate

[umbral belfry]

I'm just happy to have 1 star!

[glad meteor]

Believe in mast absolute

[coarse lake]

don't

[glad meteor]

[terse abyss]

so shotguns hitting all their pellets feed more

[fathom rock]

Yes yes if my opponent runs noise noah screw scarlet vesti helmt being good I'm running full on sg comp from solo raid and guarenteeing the win

[glad meteor]

Just crit

[coarse lake]

mine lost to moran/noah/lib/emi helmt, and that's with killing noah lib almost instantly

[heavy hearth]

Excellent, I was double checking stuff and got a mini heart attack I had to reroll line 3s

[coarse lake]

legit died to unbursting emi autos

[tropic summit]

SGs in arena have 100% hitrate regardless of hirate buffs

[terse abyss]

yes i mean since they have more hits they feed more

[tropic summit]

correct

[terse abyss]

another thing i didnt understand is why shotguns/rocket launchers have like two categories to them? clip vs something else?

[tropic summit]

clip SGs and clip RL produce way more burst gen than their mag counterparts

[placid bloom]

secret buff weapons that reload in multiple clips have higher burst gen than weapons that reload their entire magazine at once

[fathom rock]

One reloads using a magazine the others fill bullets multiple seperate times
The latter give more burst regen for some goddamm reason

[tropic summit]

to make it clearer for you, this is the difference

[placid bloom]

except for some specific char like Guilty that have clip reload speed but mag burst gen

[terse abyss]

tfw dont know anything about guns

[coarse lake]

oh it has nothing to do with guns

[tropic summit]

while centi gives you 27.6 at 2RL, a mag RL gives you 11.6ish

[placid bloom]

because they messed her up

[terse abyss]

damn what happened to anis

[coarse lake]

most pvp core mechanics and fundamentals make no sense other than bc SU said so

[fathom rock]

It doesn't make sense to me I just say clip = more burst gen
Clip ones usually have a suspiciously uneven reload time

[tropic summit]

still there

[coarse lake]

sgs and srs hitting different targets than usual based on position is another one

[terse abyss]

oh you just scrolled down lol

too much hidden mechanics in this game mode tbh

[placid bloom]

there is also a secret 3rd tier for RL, which is the garbage mag RL that have half the burst gen of mag RL

[tropic summit]

asking SU to make sense? first time playing nikke?
spaghetti code with extra bug salsa stonks

[terse abyss]

then again its the only advantage non whales get, by knowing about hidden mechanics

[glad meteor]

4th tier cindy gen

[tropic summit]

the cursed ones

[placid bloom]

sad girl stay sad

Cinderella is indeed 4th tier of RL, the omega omega shit mag RL gen tier

[fathom rock]

Nooooo I'm already depressed enough from one sitting this event story

[tropic summit]

cindy ironically still isn't the worst at least

[fathom rock]

OW that hurts

[terse abyss]

so it is the worst

[coarse lake]

smol white with too many hits, genning too much -> literally garbage base gen
big white with too many hits, genning too much -> normal base gen -> gen god

they don't even try to keep things balanced now

[placid bloom]

SWHA took all of SWID's weapons

that's why her burst gen so shit

girl got robbed by her future self

[fathom rock]

Shiftup game analysis team : ||🎲 🎲 ||

[terse abyss]

i do see rosanna a lot now but other than against jackal teams what else is she good for

[placid bloom]

good against water

good for making your slow team faster if someone dies

[tropic summit]

she kills the attackers before they can become a problem

[placid bloom]

there are specific strats for her

[coarse lake]

good for scar as semi-anti-label

[fathom rock]

She helps me beat that one soda abuser in my bracket

I need something to help the depression before It gets worse I'll go play a depressing video game

[umbral belfry]

[fathom rock]

Probably the first one to use this emote in 2026

[tropic summit]

don't be depressed, be happy

look at your favourite nikke from behind for a while and you'll feel better

[terse abyss]

everytime somebody attack me in sp arena and i succesfully defend, guarantee brightens mood

[fathom rock]

And what other way to be happy than dying in my hardcore 100+ hour save

To a common enemy

[terse abyss]

this one guy whos 5th in my server attacked me like 16 times last 2 weeks for 3rd place and i was able to keep the 3rd. had to change my team like 3-5 times i feel

[tropic summit]

oh i think the right answer for this would be: don't play those kind of games

[terse abyss]

but eventually his defense lost to people under him and he gave up

[tropic summit]

they don't respect your time and ultimately it's RNG, you may be distracted 1 second and punished for it

i generally avoid those hardcore modes

[fathom rock]

Bruh

[fathom rock]

It's fun to mald

[terse abyss]

and then face clinical depression after

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kazuma-konosuba-17

[fathom rock]

Ark Guardian event already reminded me of the clinical depression in the early invasions and made it worse

Can't get worse than that

[terse abyss]

tbh i never paid attention to the plot in this game dont know a thing other than it sounds like evangelion

[fathom rock]

How do I tell him

[tropic summit]

[coarse lake]

[umbral belfry]

huge

[hidden geode]

Finally started hard targeting my PvP hater who keeps hitting me 5x every day at reset for over a month now... Waking up to see them spend 2100 gems on me in Rookie Arena is wild. 💀

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

pettiness and poor wallet control generally spawns this behavior

[cunning crown]

you hate to see it

[fathom rock]

I wonder how that guy feels when

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/tYrMSwPUu3k?si=UtGguqp9I9PqX0WG

[hidden geode]

At this point, the game of figuring out how delicate their mental is is more entertaining to me lol. I'm F2P, so seeing a whale throw gems into the fire like this is hilarious. I've usually only been hitting them 3x max per day, so idk what their obsession with me is.

[tropic summit]

ego is a sad thing

fragile ones especially

[hidden geode]

Sad, but also funny sometimes.

They've been trying to get me in SP Arena too, but I've been holding my 3rd place a little better there. Rookie, idc about, this is just funny lol

lol, I'll keep that last one to myself

[terse abyss]

ive been on the other side of it, but i dont spend gems in pvp. i do hit the guy that hits me in sp arena in rookie arena also

last 2 weeks the guy even tried to spend crystals on a 3rd fight in two days

[charred condor]

You literally spent 500 gems extra hitting me, so I hit you back LOL. I will outspend you 😂🙌

[glad meteor]

[hidden geode]

lmao the whale's here. I legit only spend in SP Arena, I never spend in Rookie.

That's crazy tho, why the focus man?

[charred condor]

I noticed that, you spent 3k+ gems re-taking 3rd place so don’t act all innocent here haha

[hidden geode]

I usually only hit you 2-3x and then hit whoever else shows up at the top for me.

[fathom rock]

Men are simple creature turns out

[tropic summit]

and a bit dumb

[hidden geode]

Yeah, in SP Arena 💀 I've never done this in Rookie like you've been doing all month lol

I legit don't understand the beef

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-racer-flr-gif-25498963

[glad meteor]

Time to be nikke

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cave-caving

[hidden geode]

I just hop on and hit whoever's top most in my Rookie list and then hold my SP position.

But this whole month has been beef now

[shell hazel]

wait we have real time pvp in the pvp channel

[charred condor]

There’s no beef, I’m just trying to rank above you but you won’t let me

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-going-deer-eating-popcorn-eat-gif-15811803

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/let-them-5

[hidden geode]

LOOL

[charred condor]

But since you’re f2p keep it up

That means I win the long game

[shell hazel]

does anyone win if they spend gems in rookie?

[hidden geode]

Real