pvp-arena

[keen vapor]

I'm sure Amelia won't complain

[umbral crown]

moran treasure, trust

[keen vapor]

My most wanted treasures are Novel and Pepper

[hidden mortar]

[noble python]

Challenger 5 defenses any help would be nice

[quick lake]

T1: Skip
T2: Noise Noah VestiTU HelmT Centi
T3: Scar Trina Rumani SWHA Jackal

[leaden canyon]

Assuming he has noise and noah that should work yeah

[quick lake]

oh there will be Cp deficit too. Rip

[wild hemlock]

Just look at the units that shoot on the blue line, you need those to go faster. So Biscuit and Rumani

[noble python]

Won R2 and R3

[quick lake]

Nice

[noble python]

Challenger 3 defenses

[worthy knoll]

This is only assuming your Label is still in top 2 highest atk when she loses her shield.. in my case Rosanna dispelled a different unit

[quick lake]

T1: Scar Trina Centi SWHA Rumani
T2: Skip
T3: Jackal VestiTU HelmT Blanc Noah
Can try this

[noble python]

You have Centi twice in there twice

Lol

[quick lake]

edited haha

[quick lake]

ah wait

the teams wont work

[noble python]

Yeah

I was about to say uh both teams failed

Lmao

[quick lake]

Rip yeahh

[noble python]

What’s the new teams?

[noble python]

^

[quick lake]

Better to ask rail, or blood

[noble python]

Ok

[swift mango]

Bay: 2rl Noah Libby. 3-4RL Nayuta+Cindy.

SW: 2rl Indom Vesti/Sw

[noble python]

Gonna have to give me full teams chief I build terrible teams on my own

[wise horizon]

What’s a good counter to this?

[gritty ridge]

Swha emmaTU eunwhaTU vestiTU t.helm

T.helm is replaceable with t.lap

[unique wagon]

Hello

Snake likes you btw

No cap

I have proof

[tiny scroll]

Temp or Vigor Cube for Label?

[unique wagon]

Tempering

[quick lake]

yay, i like prydwen team too

[unique wagon]

Gay because we all are boys

You can have Snake

[quick lake]

[unique wagon]

Have a private lovey dovey up to you

[quick lake]

[unique wagon]

Gay

[tulip quest]

Might or might not be true but about 50% chance if they don't delay the schedule anymore

Treasure sale on Gold ticket for characters that have treasure ady expired but no news yet for new treasure sadge

[hidden mortar]

new treasures are a myth

[tulip quest]

[gritty ridge]

Can we get an old treasure rerun in the meantime

Pretty please

[unique wagon]

Helmless?

Or Drakelese

[gritty ridge]

No I have c7 helm and c3 drake

Im missing a laplace dupe

[swift mango]

So they won't be dispelled by Rosa. Or steal link from Noise.

Well, just don't put Label to get hit. Problem solved.

[eager mountain]

[covert lintel]

Isn't D anti stun?

[unique wagon]

Only when there is stage target

[tulip quest]

It would be funny if Shift up makes a Nikke that instantly burst but in PVP like Elegg does on PVE 1 Time

[quick lake]

no pls

[tulip quest]

Tho it's pretty much mechanic breaking, interesting teams would pop up LOL

[tulip quest]

Yea I agree also XD

[swift mango]

That's tier EX Elegg treasure.

[tulip quest]

dude don't give them Ideas XD

SHE would be like SSSS is pvp by that time if it happens

[swift mango]

They should know about this instant burst joke. It's not new.

[tulip quest]

XD in PVE yea but game breaking in PVP

1RL scarlet wipe

My bad I mean No RL scarlet wipe

[unique wagon]

I think they will make skill damage down

[quick lake]

Yeah, we actually need more dmg down or DR units...

[spiral onyx]

Noah Rebuild will save PvP, trust

Scarlet Rebuild will be even stronger but not electric

[quick lake]

[spiral onyx]

Rapunzel Rebuild will rez the whole team

Harran Rebuild will... Oh wait...

[cunning crown]

[tribal hollow]

[swift mango]

I mean they know and they won't.

[swift mango]

If she died, the whole team revived once per duel.

[swift mango]

Why not

[real abyss]

new pb

[leaden canyon]

you know what would be scary? rapunzel stun without needing to be low health

[wise horizon]

I don’t have Absolute for this comp…..

[noble hatch]

https://youtu.be/5PwqRm0qSuA

[tribal hollow]

If you have a strong Rosanna, would you not be able to dispel Jackal link and just wipe SWHA and Helm?

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040253746405445722/1235861670178328596/d7616c12456cf74bdd450658aa6dddd790bbde1669fbb2fe3a4c8099db6faeb6.gif

[worthy knoll]

Once upon a time there was a unit with 5 sec stun to all enemies at last bullet.. until SU made, oops, its actually taunt, not stun

[hidden mortar]

unironically, SAnis indom

I've been testing it into vesti and snow indom and won all fights

SAnis just kills them when their indom runs out and they're stuck either reloading or charging

this fight was at a 20% cp, 55 synchro deficit and its won easily every time

This is the only snow indom in my bracket and I win easily, the team is a little meme tier though...

[quick lake]

Looks like just a slower indom

[hidden mortar]

they're both 2rl so should be the same indom timing, unless I'm misunderstanding something

[quick lake]

SAnis feeds opponent Vesti team to be slightly faster. So its like 1.9RL vs 2RL in practice

[hidden mortar]

I see

I was assuming sanis was winning by just shooting them during their charging time after both indoms run out lol

[quick lake]

Pic 1 is without jackal link, pic 2 is with jackal link. With SAnis feed, we enter FB on Vesti's 3rd shot, instead of 4th shot

[daring gulch]

Hi all, may I have some recommendations on what teams should I use for PvP special arena? And who to equip quantum cube on?

[vapid lake]

Rheax so smart

[hidden mortar]

I've been looking for an indom replacement for CA because my snow indom team lost 3 mirror fights, its too rng

[quick lake]

From my experience, Indom SW loses to alot of biscuit teams. U only get 2 charged full shots during indom period, which kinda sucks

[hidden mortar]

yea she seems like a bad indom candidate sadly. But specifically my losses were to vesti indom mirrors, I'm guessing now its most likely my indom being faster

[quick lake]

Honestly, idk how to cook CA nowadays. How do u even counter a Noah SWHA team, excluding Noah, biscuit and Rosanna

[hidden mortar]

peaksolute

snipe noah before they burst

[quick lake]

Maybe

[hidden mortar]

I gambled on an unbuilt absolute comp and got slapped for it lmao. Hopefully I can actually build mast before next ca

[north brook]

If its unbeatable without its counters, is what it is

Just need the other teams to win

[quick lake]

T1: Noise Noah Helm Lib RH
T2: Jackal Rumani VestiTU Blanc LapT
T3: Scar Trina Siren Emilia Centi

[quick lake]

ya, I ran a half-invested absolute team and got destroyed too

[wise horizon]

So SAnis indom won’t work against SWHA / Blanc / Centi / HelmT / Jackal. It’s actually my defense in the first place but this guy managed to beat me and he set up the same defense and I haven’t figured how to counter my own defense.

[hidden mortar]

ah you have one of those too, huh

[north brook]

Need slightly slower indom for a reliable answer, or to just soda stun for rng win with scarlet

[hidden mortar]

copies your defense

[quick lake]

5x electric unit, or 5x fire unit. Kill SWHA or Blanc early

P1 water unit is very dangerous. Assuming u have like high ele units

[hidden mortar]

did you try it and lose? I'm curious how the fight went because I'm seriously considering running SAnis indom as a team

[daring gulch]

Thanks for the recommendation

However, my Rumani is completely unbuilt. What level of investment should I aim for her?

[wise horizon]

Haven’t tried yet and kinda hoping someone had an answer to counter it

[quick lake]

just basic 4OL, skill level 4/4/4, SR0 or SR5 works

[hidden mortar]

ah. Hopefully you get one

[quick lake]

Hmm, counter to indom SHWA or indom Vesti might just be speeding opponent up

[hidden mortar]

I stopped making good defense teams because people just keep copying it and they're all higher synch than me, its infuriating. Just throwing my own team at me with bigger numbers

[quick lake]

Happens

[north brook]

In spa or rookie?

[wise horizon]

Wouldn’t SWHA / Blanc / Centi / Siren / Jackal? Stun P1 (SWHA)

[hidden mortar]

both but idc about rookie lol

[quick lake]

Could work yeah. Imo easier to run a 2RL Indom Vesti that has 1-2 SG in it

[north brook]

Cuz ya in rookie, best to not use spa teams, just something very durable

[hidden mortar]

my rookie and sp brackets are the same people so they jsut do the same things

my rookie defense is some meme team. I got blue units on it

[north brook]

I still have no idea if i should be concerned or not in spa

[wise horizon]

VestiTU is evading me so I don’t have her

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit hes been randomizing his team all over,help pls

[north brook]

Idk if they get close or not

[quick lake]

Could do Indom SBS as well

[hidden mortar]

looks peaceful

[quick lake]

my SPA bracket peeps actually invest pvp

SR15 with cs% lines

[wise horizon]

SBS / Blanc / Centi / HelmT / Jackal?

[north brook]

Pretty sure im most invested among this current group by a bit, had more difficult rivals last grouping so i invested a lot more

[hidden mortar]

my entire bracket is at least 40 levels higher but have lower invest so its kinda balanced ig?

[quick lake]

Can replace Centi with like a ClipSG, like Noir or BSoda

[hidden mortar]

I just wish they would attack each other and not me

[north brook]

Well i dont even level gap these guys, just have invest gap

[quick lake]

My top few peeps also wipeout, buy cd occasionally

[rustic sandal]

[north brook]

Got to defending a decent invest dolphin/whale(?) who had 20 lvls on me last grouping

[hidden mortar]

I want an inactive bracket

I need a break from these nerds

[rustic sandal]

Same.

[north brook]

Tbh the big whale in my sp group basically stopped bothering in spa, hes been in rank 6 a while

[swift mango]

Wipe your card to get 100 levels and you are free

[tribal hollow]

Hopefully you don't get the ones that quit, but come back that have an ego lol

[hidden mortar]

[hybrid fox]

dam not even my blanc can win

[north brook]

Thats the other one who just holds rank 3 permanently lol

[tribal hollow]

Got one in my bracket, literally swiped for about 120 levels, literally is higher than the OG whale and a different whale who also decided to swipe because he didn't know how to build arena teams

[quick lake]

SWHA vs Noah + Biscuit opponent tends to lose often

[tribal hollow]

...And he's stuck in 4th

[north brook]

But i think he just wants to guarantee ca and/or top 3

[quick lake]

One of my whales gave up whaling. Just settled for lower rank

[hybrid fox]

I was coping to get indom but oops

[hidden mortar]

I need a group of these. Harmless whales

Gentle giants, even

[tribal hollow]

They're harmless until their ego gets to them

Then it's a bad, bad time...

But whenever you have them around though, it is nice is if they're behind you. Act as a bit of a buffer zone from potentially more eager opponents

[hidden mortar]

Just gotta hope you get the good ones

[wise horizon]

Ok. I will try that

Any thoughts? SBS / Blanc / BSoda / HelmT / Jackal can counter this? @tropic summit

[lean bobcat]

Help with Special arena atk and def (i ss the ones i don't have so it's faster)

[leaden canyon]

You can rrh blanc indom it

or if you have a built rosanna can run that

Or out stall it with moran helm healing

[crystal flicker]

And 32 again (too)

[leaden canyon]

Moran M.anchor helmT SWHA trina can out stall that

[noble hatch]

1440p

[shell hazel]

see if I get that far anyway not sure with my current teams lol

[runic coral]

can noise replace moran in swha teams or is she necessary?

[leaden canyon]

Its a weaker team because noise is easier to kill in p1 but you can run it

Just fingers crossed they dont kill her in time

[runic coral]

would moran need ol or can I just slap gear and 4/4/4?

[quick lake]

decent alternative

[leaden canyon]

Overloading would help yes, Depends on your bracket though, if you're in a new SP arena thats pretty low then you can probably get away with it

If you are in a decently along SP arena with everybody having overloaded units then I would overload her

[runic coral]

it's like 450+ so it's not new unfortunately haha

[leaden canyon]

Oh yeah

Overload her

[runic coral]

yeah I'll ol her and give her r15 doll

but 4/4/4 is good?

[leaden canyon]

Shes a pvp demon

uhhhh

it would be better if it was higher

[runic coral]

7/7/7?

I'll do 4/7/7

gotta save some manuals :d

[leaden canyon]

if you cant commit a lot you can do 4/7/7

Her burst helps a lot just fyi

[runic coral]

yeah I need to save them for vesti when I get more golds

[leaden canyon]

oh yeah that is also important

[runic coral]

no goooolddsdssdss 😭

[leaden canyon]

You could also just run noise on that team until you start losing

Either way though moran is worth building for pvp

[runic coral]

I used to stay at 2-3 then dropped to 4-5 because no vesti and now I'm getting shoved to 7 so have to actually update my pvp teams lol

[leaden canyon]

oh yeah no moran or vesti on teams makes it easier to break the defense

[runic coral]

Jackal Rumani VestiTU Blanc ClipRL (2RL)

can I run liberalio instead of cliprl here?

[leaden canyon]

You could yeah, if your vesti has 8% cs you are still 2RL

[runic coral]

uh ohhh

[leaden canyon]

If not its 2.5 and depending on what they throw at you it could be 2RL

[runic coral]

she has 5%

[leaden canyon]

thats a start

it helps

8% if you can is ideal

[runic coral]

I have like 4 rocks rn bhahaha

oh ada can work right?

[leaden canyon]

Its a little less burstgen but again, depends what they throw at you with jackal there

[runic coral]

👍

[leaden canyon]

Actually it puts you at 3RL and you are gambeling on it to be 2.5

while lib is a true 2.5

[runic coral]

I could run cliprl but it puts my team at such low cp

so I'll have to pray with lib

[leaden canyon]

If you ever want to check out your burstgen on teams you can use this https://nikke-deck.web.app

[runic coral]

thankjuuu

[leaden canyon]

Example of one of my teams

[runic coral]

does team 1 hit 2rl?

[leaden canyon]

This one is more experimental

[leaden canyon]

It can yeah

Not too hard for it to hit it if they dont use only RL units

even then 2.5 can be fine

[quick lake]

2.1-2.3rl is fine too

[runic coral]

2.1-2.3 doesn't die to burst with noah/blanc or?

[leaden canyon]

blanc will go off in time unless they are out speeding you with frame data

[quick lake]

Still B2 before nuke

[runic coral]

okay huuuge

[quick lake]

generally

Most of the newer units like Lib/Vesti/SWHA works at 2.1-2.3RL

[runic coral]

okay that is very useful to know ty

[quick lake]

i.e. we still B2 Noah/Blanc in time generally

If its 3RL with cs% promoted to 2.5RL, generally still too slow and opponent Blanc/Noah will proc first

[leaden canyon]

This is what I'm currently running

But I wouldn't really bother with the anchor one unless everything there is super invested, can just use noah instead

[runic coral]

I see, you give up team 1 tho? to make team 2-3 better or?

[leaden canyon]

Team 1 is an actual team

[runic coral]

does it ever burst?

[leaden canyon]

yeah if it doesn't get one shot by lib or a strong enough scarlet that doesn';t proc the biscuit invul

You basically have to one shot it with enough damage

So it forces resources against it that can be used against other teams

[ivory violet]

Yeah if I were playing against you I'd be tempted to blow up both team 1 and team 3 with lib but I only have 1 of her

And that team 3 is so fukcing obnoxious to play against

[leaden canyon]

oh team 3 can survive vesti and or SWHA

[runic coral]

smart, I should do that as well

but what does lib do? is she like a new carry nuker or smth?

[leaden canyon]

She just nukes really hard thats all she is there for

[ivory violet]

Unbuffed her nuke does like 2.5x damage scarlet does or something crazy like that

[runic coral]

oh damn, so scarlet is kinda in the dust now?

[leaden canyon]

You can nuke my slow cindy team with lib and blanc

[leaden canyon]

for defense at least because label exists

[runic coral]

I still haven't read her kit, what does she counter exactly?

[leaden canyon]

label will block scarlet or cindy 2RL teams

reduces electric damage for the first 5seconds

[ivory violet]

Label reduces elec dmg by 70% for the whole team in the first 5 seconds

[leaden canyon]

2.5RL scar or cindy can kill her because thats after 5 seconds

[runic coral]

loool

[ivory violet]

Tbh I think most ppl won't invest her though, more of a CA unit

And scarlet is easy enough to counter without label anyways

[runic coral]

I mean it's a free atk unit tho no?

[leaden canyon]

Shes really good for attacking because of how broken she is against a 2RL scar or cindy team

[shell hazel]

yeah attack unit more than anything

[leaden canyon]

yep

Very useful if opponents still run those on defense

[runic coral]

okay that's good to know, sad to see my baby go tho 😔

[ivory violet]

At least she's still pretty good in CA

[leaden canyon]

yeah scar will still be used in it

until we discover better teams with label and stuff

[runic coral]

me when I get into ca at 7th spot in sp

👶

[ivory violet]

Well you'll be retaking first place with some team updates of course

[runic coral]

maybe I can take 4th place, because I have mega whales 1-3

but 4th place def possible

[runic coral]

ngl I copied your teams and now I pray

[leaden canyon]

what level is your quantum cube

[runic coral]

quantum is the burst gen cube iirc right?

[leaden canyon]

yes

[runic coral]

I think it was 6

[leaden canyon]

tempering?

[runic coral]

also 6 iirc

[leaden canyon]

I need to check something

[runic coral]

kk

I didn't copy the teams 1:1 tho haha, I replaced anchor with noah as you suggested and used centi/lib in vesti team instead of lapt/ada

[leaden canyon]

how much cs does your helm have

[runic coral]

a good amount

like ~12%

[leaden canyon]

Ok throw both quantums on swha and trina and then the other 3 get tempering

[runic coral]

are we trying to make it 1.5rl or smth?

[leaden canyon]

its more like 1.8 with your speed

moran will burst before 2RL

[runic coral]

does that accomplish smth?

[leaden canyon]

helps you not get one shot from rosanna

[runic coral]

I don't even know moran's kit haha I just saw her regen 50% health when she got low

oouuuu

[leaden canyon]

Moran burst is tempering cube on crack

[runic coral]

okay makes sense, I don't think anyone runs rosanna in my bracket but they could be hiding her in atk teams

[leaden canyon]

Either way bursting quicker will also hopefully have noah not die to vestiTU

[runic coral]

okeh that's taken care of

should I just sr15 vesti doll while I'm at it?

I feel like that's inevitable

[leaden canyon]

That is indeed inevitable

Depends how hard you want to go into pvp

[runic coral]

I've been going hard into sr/ur for like the entire time, mainly because I was happy staying <=4 with minimal investment, but now I feel like I can't just put it aside anymore

[ivory violet]

Thankfully SU decided to release top tier PvE pilgrims that are also amazing for PvP

I've seen a lot of PvE mains shoot to the top of their rookie/sp brackets because of snow white

[runic coral]

yea, + vesti is best campaign unit so I don't mind it AS much as smth like rosanna or bay, etc

[leaden canyon]

Bay is more of a CA unit at this point

Rosanna for sure can help a lot

[runic coral]

yea I was moreso throwing whatever came to my mind haha

like the helm stall comp that needed a lot of invest

think it was moran nero helm rapunzel blah blah

[ivory violet]

I will say Rosanna is nice for breaking jackal link & like 99% of players don't even know it, but no one invests her besides pvp guys

[leaden canyon]

yeah

[ivory violet]

But yea I'm the same way PvE focused but PvP is fun and gives you lots of gems

[leaden canyon]

Nero moran helm rapu lapT/mana

If you were super into that team you would build quiry

[runic coral]

yeah like I would never invest into that team, gun to my head even

😅

[ivory violet]

Same it'd feel so painful to brick my account like that

[runic coral]

okayy sr15 doll on vesti, the team is a bit low cp but it's vesti so she should win methinks

[tropic summit]

if you don't have rosanna and vestiTU, try a mirror indom ein or scarlet, having higher fire rate it's likely you'll win the duel (ein drones also shoot slightly after full burst ends)

[wise horizon]

I have Rosanna

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit helmt ros jackal, should be lethal on both swha and helmt

assuming ros is 7/10/10 20-40% atk, 20-40% ele atk

alternatively you can force misindom

noah biscuit helmt siren laplaceT

[tropic summit]

box: #pvp-arena message
T3 check link, need vestiTU and helmT linked, if siren is linked gonna need to take the biscuit route
check CP on your own
record T1 as i want to see HP on moran after nuke

[humble frost]

any good cooks? need defense teams: #pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina helmt rh emi
• jackal vestiTU drakeT blanc centi
• rapunzel swha noir siren noah

Notes

• build noise, rumani and improve other utilities (trina, centi, biscuit, noah etc)
• consider getting laplace treasured
• build rosanna on short term
• build moran on medium term

once the above are done, can improve T3

[swift mango]

Nothing beat CP pad and level gap.

[tropic summit]

they can't CP pad or level gap you if you uninstall the game

be one step ahead of the opponent

[forest oar]

how would i beat this pvp team?

[swift mango]

But I'm the CP pad and level gap guy.

[swift mango]

Guess might have to get to 541 and clear snake soon.

Depend on how next reshuffle looks like

[tropic summit]

2RL indom

• jackal indom flex blanc centi (indom any B3 DPS, SWHA/vestiTU prefer)

**2RL nuker **with siren if enemy noah is siren weak (he's not running 11%CS team wide)

• jackal scarlet trina siren swha/helmT, scarlet assumed linked

2RL rosanna to kill helmt and swha

• nayuta ros jackal swha helmt (rosanna assumed linked, 7/10/10, 20-40atk% and ele)

[gaunt pulsar]

rh buffed indom swha with helm at p1

[forest oar]

ty, t1 works and did try t2 before but didnt work

[tropic summit]

oke then you already found out he's 11%CS team wide, keep it in mind for the future if he runs that again and/or in SP arena

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit i got a different situation. do you have some time?

[noble hatch]

Prayge 🙏

[glad meteor]

[noble hatch]

I should win team 3 and 4
Team 1 is on luck
Team 5 not too sure, both are similar, but I hope to believe in Mihara BC ticking on opponent's life

https://youtu.be/5PwqRm0qSuA

[dusty tulip]

What teams can I use for SP?

[hollow lagoon]

U have Emilia

On a sync 280?

How many crates do u have?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-burgundy-will-ferrell-that-really-got-out-of-hand-out-of-control-anchorman-gif-15000971777709627302

@crystal flicker we both got through so could be re-match time!

[dusty tulip]

Sorry to ask, what's a crate

[hollow lagoon]

battle date/core dust

[raven plover]

boxes, crates

[hollow lagoon]

p5 mihara failed me

[glad meteor]

No C7 emi. Bricked

[gaunt pulsar]

@oak hatch i dont envy your bracket, but rooting for you on the next match

[tulip quest]

Insane comp

[dusty tulip]

Not a lot

[raven plover]

the strongest shield

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit @tulip quest salad clap again

yikes my noah lived a core 4 vesti

[dusty tulip]

Note: I don't have special items in my roster aside from Helm

[swift mango]

Not as much as you for sure.

[hollow lagoon]

kek

[dusty tulip]

Can someone help?

[hollow lagoon]

the issue here is , we can do something about it, but ur unlikely to rise by too much

[oak hatch]

Not looking good for this group but maybe I can at least win next match

[hollow lagoon]

right u dont have lapT

[gaunt pulsar]

yea 1+2 should be easy W, 4th you won similar today, but his noah prob beefier and 5th is kinda rng 3rd prob L

[tulip quest]

Investment Check Battle It came down to Moran vs Moran XD that 1 damage per tick so painful to watch

[oak hatch]

My soda prob dead preburst against scar

[gaunt pulsar]

with swha help, maybe

[oak hatch]

Idek what the opponent 4th team is, last ca someone won with it but soda does nothing there

[gaunt pulsar]

dunno, moral support someone has to clean after fight

[oak hatch]

[umbral crown]

Besto shieldo indeed

People still do not trust besto shieldo

[oak hatch]

@gaunt pulsar does round 3 actually look that bad? We talked about this kind of matchup before when cindoro had it and sg team won

[gaunt pulsar]

same dude that was bursting with centi, sooo i guess it's his thing

[oak hatch]

Well he copied it from doro the winner last ca and it worked there, team just doesn’t make much sense

[shell hazel]

lib anti-lib

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, found recording, sg lost there 🫡 they wiped the floor but still couldn't live long enough because rumani got indomed

[oak hatch]

Hmm maybe we talking about different matches but I’ve seen sg win it quite often, this is the same matchup here as the one in round 3

[gaunt pulsar]

ah, didn't had that one a little random still, but hoping and praying it will work out there too

[oak hatch]

Honestly don’t feel good about it since my sgs are still low investment but maybe and also my cindy is also against his sg so there’s that

[shell hazel]

my matches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPU9zltKDfE

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-i-know-him-they're-me-obi-wan-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-gif-15219886167814879581

[gaunt pulsar]

it more about rng than invest really, played out really well in that one cindoro vs doro last CA he lost similar one, but his sg team was really experimental so could be due to that

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry how did you matches go?

[oak hatch]

I might as well lose this match tho since next one since I’m against cindoro

[shell hazel]

cindoro is in here right?

[oak hatch]

Yeah he’s baron

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah that one is prob havent looked into it much but doesn't look pretty

[noble hatch]

o7

https://youtu.be/fMEemojeEpA

[shell hazel]

F

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

hime op

[hollow lagoon]

me barely scrape by

[versed mesa]

All according to keikaku

[covert lintel]

i lost
even though my team is perfect counter to fahren

[versed mesa]

Lol all of my teams lost except my weird Noah team

[umbral belfry]

back to the dungeon

[versed mesa]

I'm just happy that I got through advance stage even once. Have gotten to CA every single season since it started but never made Top 64 until now

[umbral belfry]

w improvement

no dungeon this time

[versed mesa]

Probably wouldn't have even made it this far if I hadn't joined the discussions here and started looking even a little more at some comps, other than the messy stuff I was trying to make on my own

[umbral crown]

nice

[raven plover]

how you losing if its perfect counter

[umbral crown]

somethings wrong

[versed mesa]

Not only that, but seems like there is still hope for my SP arena and getting top 3. C3 and C2 are now held by the same guys as previous seasons. They usually don't challenge above them. C1 however is the strongest player, but I am the only one who can beat him (so far), and unless he starts gemming, which he hasn't done before, I might be able to switch back and forth C4 and C1 with him, enough to score more than C3, if C3 doesn't go above that

[umbral crown]

go for it

its all about...

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[versed mesa]

Goated movie btw. Heath Ledger RIP is my favorite Joker actor after Mark Hamill in the animations.

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango wait, did you already lose?

or did you get pushed into a different bracket?

[umbral crown]

cultured man

[covert lintel]

But my opponent this time wasn't him

[umbral crown]

this is why i try to place my teams taking in consideration whole top 16 and not just the winner, cuz we are also have 63 more players against us

[covert lintel]

This guy's luck ruined it

[umbral crown]

[warm monolith]

Thanks,sorry some messages dont show on discord for some reason im just seeing it now

[covert lintel]

how were you doing that

[umbral crown]

i check the teams of each top 16 qualifier and then place them in a way that if they change the positions i could still have the chance to win

[covert lintel]

I could never do that

[versed mesa]

That same guy in C1 in SP arena, once again used 200 gems to push me down in Rookie arena He has used 700 gems in Rookie... Seems unlikely he would waste 700 gems there for no benefit and then not gem in SP arena

So confused why he is doing that, been in the same bracket since shuffle and he has never ever wasted gems before this season in either mode.

[umbral crown]

just take some time when CA ends and check their teams, some changes positions but other just go with the same teams

every CA i always go with different teams but lastly i keep 1 or 2

[versed mesa]

Also I have not even once attacked him in Rookie arena. I dunno if me showing respect for him there has actually turned into some ego disrespect thing on his mind

[umbral crown]

[covert lintel]

This is similar to yesterday, but he used ada to heal
That led me to defeat

[versed mesa]

He did lose 4 times in a row to my Rookie arena team a few days ago, but I have no idea how, since I have not changed my defense team at all.

And he has been going up in synchro at almost three times speed compared to me

[covert lintel]

Nah, i like cooking but i don't like checking everyone in 16

[surreal citrus]

Is there a way to make it so that when replaying champion arena matches my team shows up on my side?

https://youtu.be/VTE322JFotU?si=_3C-X3lqtLLqpw-B

Like this guy

[umbral crown]

thats how you develop your cooking skills

and create new cooks based on that

[warm monolith]

How do i know blanc links with vesti?

[umbral crown]

check my cook

[covert lintel]

It's because most of my group are copying fahren, so i won't bother to check them again

[umbral crown]

[warm monolith]

Guys how can i know who blanc will indom?

[umbral crown]

lowest hp before she cast her burst

[warm monolith]

Does she indom one or two units?

[umbral crown]

only one

[versed mesa]

You can check stuff like that in the Union shooting range. after a few seconds pause and check the buffs

[warm monolith]

Whats the buff called

[umbral crown]

here an example

[hollow lagoon]

@versed mesa did u win

[versed mesa]

Ofc not but thanks to that I got my cheer credits

[hollow lagoon]

I think imma lose my next one but I vote my self anyway

[versed mesa]

Uhhh, not sure, my Jackal teams have always been clear cut on who has the most attack so they get the link. So haven't had to check myself

[umbral crown]

always choose the believer path

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-gwyndolin-miracle-faith-gif-24503389

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit i dont know why it didnt worked t1 was 951k against 1.042m and t3 969k against 990k also i get to lvl 460 yesterday so my teams wont suffer deficit as much as before

[terse abyss]

Damn this guy I'm facing in champions already have label

It's so over

[upbeat dock]

Well, it didn’t work because your vesti died before b2 even triggered

[tropic summit]

T1 noah died, but if you bench bay you're in deficit
T2 vestiTU is unlinked, as i told you to check whether she's linked else use the biscuit approach, i guess you didn't check

it's an headach making that matchup because we've to fit bay

do me a favour and invest CP in your pvp core units

[warm monolith]

I think we may be not in deficit even without Bay now.
And on t3 i did check double,tried it on mock too. Vestitu and helm had lower hps than siren

[tropic summit]

it's not the HP, it's the atk%, vestiTU is unlinked

@warm monolith

[warm monolith]

Iirc we wont be in deficit until 880k cp and we were 950k, Bay is 230k and the diff is 70k so 160k cp units would be enough

[tropic summit]

check if your biscuit fits then

and fix the other team indom biscuit indom instead, as long as you 2RL their noise dies

[warm monolith]

Dang,i accidently calculated hps...

[frank ingot]

how to win against this in rookie?

[tropic summit]

scarlet vestiTU trina laplaceT/emilia jackal, kill blanc in p2

[warm monolith]

My internet is so ahh. This is the reason why it tooks so long to respond

[tropic summit]

T1 noah biscuit lib rh swha
T3 vestiTU helmT blanc flex jackal, this time make sure vesti is linked since you already know siren can't be used

[warm monolith]

She is so close to 160k but i can ol her third gear(with todays daily refresh) and try again tmmr (out of attacks too) so she will be sufficent

[tropic summit]

flex can be anything, even bay if you need CP

[umbral crown]

Rail going for the mega fast libe

[tropic summit]

it's actually a 2.5RL lib, just need noah to B2 in time

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

tbh the curious part of that team is if moran is lethal'ed on trina buff with single buff lib

but i think she is

[umbral crown]

Should be

Now we hope for the best

[warm monolith]

With no flex t3 its 761k and i need 837k,so flex unit needs to have at least 76k cp(which my every unit on syncro lol) so my only goal is to get 2RL(I hope my math is correct)

[tropic summit]

1. take the enemy teams CP multiply 0.846, your team CP must be higher
2. use https://nikke-deck.web.app/ to check speed

T1 needs to be noah 2.5RL with SWHA to be in time
T3 needs to be 2RL, you'll be regarldess because you're 98% to 2RL without even a 5th unit, as you can see here #pvp-arena message

[warm monolith]

Yeah,no i mean i know how to do the math of it. I multiplied the enemy cp with 0.846 and then i collected all the t3 units you said and then i subtrack the deficit cp from my flexless team cp to calculate how much cp does flex at least needs to have

[tropic summit]

that sounds way more complicated than it should be ok but do w/e you're comfortable with

[tropic summit]

now that's an interesting matchup, actually stalled a single buff ada-less vestiTU

now let's hope it matches an hyperbuffed vesti and the test is complete

if she survives that, your moran is gold

preferably against an equally invested whel like you

[umbral belfry]

@jagged mesa look at group 6

[high stream]

How did he change his defense again? I thought defense is locked for each SP Season?
Can I get some help with this one .. this time at least. I dont wanna try it myself and fail, only got 1 battle left for today

[tropic summit]

remind me, you built noise to have taunt priority right?

[high stream]

Yes, we built the noise together and she is 4% slower than Noah

i rolled the exact OLs on her u asked

[tropic summit]

oke as you can see he moved siren to p3

[hollow lagoon]

[high stream]

Yes, why did he do that? What changes?

[tropic summit]

meaning she now targets only p1 and you can no longer taunt her

[high stream]

Ohh

[tropic summit]

at that point it's actually easier, you move your noah from p1

so just need to mess with positioning in T1 case

[high stream]

Does it matter where I move my noah? Or who she switches with?

[tropic summit]

at the moment although you gonna need noah in T3 and indom in T1

[glad meteor]

Their team look slow

[high stream]

Hmm, gotcha

[shell hazel]

bro you hit 340 odd sync and you thought def was locked? 😄

[tropic summit]

assuming we wanna triple win anyway, can take the easy way out and get T1 and T2 win

[high stream]

I swear I've read something somewhere about teams being locked for each season ..

[wild hemlock]

[tropic summit]

ye both T1 and T2 are 3RL'ish

[shell hazel]

CA

[high stream]

Or was that Champion Arena .. ?

Ah.

[high stream]

Hit me with it. I'm out of resources, but I got almost all PvP nikke built at this point

[hollow lagoon]

we both had some wild ones it seems

[tropic summit]

just need to know, do you've rumani built?

[frank ingot]

I tried this. Only a bit close to winning

[high stream]

Yes, although no perfect OLs. Perfect OLs are very few on my PvP
I got the Noise/Noah OLs
Snow White is actually a monster 10/12 perfect OLs .. 2 OLs are acceptable. She is disgusting.
Vesti is nearly perfect.

[tropic summit]

she doesn't need to be fully built

[high stream]

She is full OL, but not ideal OLs

[tropic summit]

assemble these teams and show CP

(you're on the left)

[tropic summit]

ok you can run them CP is in range

[high stream]

Good. For the third team, anything we can do?

Or sac it

[tropic summit]

blanc was still alive, you're not in deficit correct?

considered she's tanking scarlet s2, vesti ele weak and laplace + 2 small splashes, that's amazing she even breathes

[wild hemlock]

Yeah I barely got by I thought I would win for sure but turns out my snow white can't kill moran easily

[tropic summit]

ye sacc it

[hollow lagoon]

That’s good my Moran helm set going up again sw Moran

[frank ingot]

may I ask how to calculate that? enemy's combat power is 1886584, mine was 1645319.

[tropic summit]

yeah no deficit, it's enemy score multiplied for 0.846, you need 1595 so you good

that blanc must be high core and on high tempering SR15

[wild hemlock]

Experience may vary my snow white is pretty weak. Have sr14 doll cause cursed and only 1atk roll. Unsure if x4 atk would make the difference. Also I think Emilia was bad idea I'm too fast imo

[shell hazel]

the only thing that can kill moran easily is another moran

[hollow lagoon]

[frank ingot]

at max core and perhaps with that tempering, it might be

[tropic summit]

can you share your box or link it?

need to change approach

[glad meteor]

These team should work.

T1 should be safest, max ammo cindy preferable
T2 requires ele on vesti or else dont run
T3 requires enemy snow to have lowest hp in link, so vesti gets to burst instead but snow has indom and you win

[wild hemlock]

You may be right about that or a super laplace maybe

[tropic summit]

kara already cooked, go ahead with his strat: #pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

good, went as expected

remember if he does that again with siren, just switch rumani with noise and noah position as needed

[high stream]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-head-shaking-sunglasses-deal-with-it-anime-gif-15745408

[frank ingot]

will try this. thank you

[shell hazel]

vesti to some degree (true damage)

[wild hemlock]

[glad meteor]

[high stream]

Ideally, he realizes he simply isn't as cool as me (Or has a Railtracer on standby) and gives up

[umbral belfry]

it wouldn't have been this close if you gave me your cs and scar crit dmg

[wild hemlock]

[umbral belfry]

[frank ingot]

Thank you for the help @glad meteor and @tropic summit. I tried the 1st option first and it works . I might do something funny and use gems and use the other 2 but need to save gems.

[forest zodiac]

@tropic summitHello. Guy from yesterday did minor swap but I'm not sure how to approach it?
try to kill t3 with 2rl cindy? probably will not work because cindy burst is delayed and t3 is 2.5rl atleast?

[glad meteor]

Save gems indeed

i broke too

[umbral belfry]

same me too k

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

C7 snow?

[tropic summit]

their B1 in T2 is vulnerable, can make use of that... or can stun blanc in T3 to prevent their indom

[umbral belfry]

I actually did use my cores and c7 sw yesterday lol

but in f2p

[glad meteor]

🫵

[wild hemlock]

Have the CN overlord in my bracket. The guy I'm facing now literally copy pasted the CN guys teams in the same exact spots so surely if I win this next one I'll also win vs CN

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

look out there's a rat next to you

[wild hemlock]

[tropic summit]

assemble these teams and show CP

last check run T3 in shooting range and confirm SWHA and siren are linked, siren must've more HP than SWHA

[forest zodiac]

there is not much proection for T1 right so my cindy team should be fine?

okayy sorry just a s ec

[tropic summit]

ye T1 is glass cannon scar-ros, defender team is direct counter, it can stay as is

[forest zodiac]

t1 and t3

[tropic summit]

CP is gud, check links in T3 and HP on SWHA and siren then you good to go

[forest zodiac]

checking shooting range

[tropic summit]

siren must've more HP than SWHA

[forest zodiac]

siren has more hp

[tropic summit]

nice, only links left then

[high stream]

Railtracer casually playing 127 pvp accounts at the same time, without ever logging into any of them

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-read-2

[forest zodiac]

crazy jackal and jumping jackal on swha and siren

[tropic summit]

oke so swha is confirmed indom target, go get em

[forest zodiac]

thanks

[forest zodiac]

also I've wanted to ask whats current meta rookie def?

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor what a time for arena... you can run 2RL indoms with enough burst gen to slot a siren... i fear the future

[forest zodiac]

mine is kinda outdated with basic noise+noah stuff

[umbral crown]

[glad meteor]

More more more

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[wild hemlock]

1RL Nero/Moran coming soon surely

[tropic summit]

imagine 99% damage reduction at 1RL

[worn ridge]

Guys could i win against this guy , i already beat its third team but im not aire about what to use to counter its second team

[tropic summit]

you need 2.169k, deficit, highly suggest you try hitting someone else

[tropic summit]

there's no real rookie meta def, all of them are beatable

try running this

[forest zodiac]

interestting

thanks

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-really-think-you-can-stop-me-nolan-grayson-omni-man-invincible-you-cant-stop-me-gif-21376184

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/muscular-muscle

[umbral crown]

Meanwhile i have same defense since 4 months ago

[glad meteor]

99.99%

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

@worn ridge assuming you still wanna try on deficit,

T2 is weak to noah biscuit cindy helmt rumani, up to 20-22% deficit
T3 you can nayuta vestiTU it, they've only p1 and p2 damage, nayuta trina liberalio/vestiTU RH SWHA/HelmT, up to 26-30% deficit

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/a-N-rYg3yJA?si=n4nOYEbZQ-ry2ixn

[shell hazel]

moran too strong

https://tenor.com/view/moran-nikke-dinosaurs-dinosaur-gif-9549329996531901831

[tropic summit]

on another episode of SU "oops, she's a bit too strong, but we don't care about arena "

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-ill-allow-it-allowed-gif-4468552

[glad meteor]

sss

[tropic summit]

SSS+

[shell hazel]

SSSS

[glad meteor]

SSSS+

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-explosion-3

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-tia-explosion-goddness-of-victory-boom-gif-10356743037255363170

I saw the Tia one in the union discord and it was hilarious 😄

[worn ridge]

Ty for the tip mi always wasting my daily last attemp im always beaten to rank 5 when its about 30 secs left till reset

[tropic summit]

sounds like a sniperino

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/youjo-senki-the-saga-of-tanya-the-evil-anime-gun-powerful-gif-17356585

[tropic summit]

lovely strategy promoted actively by SU lack of QoL

[shell hazel]

it's peak gameplay Rail

only the best campers succeed

[tropic summit]

clearly

[eager mountain]

havent keep up with the meta for a while but how tf did lib has 8/8 pick rate in a kr group

[shell hazel]

AOE nuke/good dps/burst gen

[umbral crown]

but you are libe no.1 fan, you should know

[eager mountain]

ik what she does and doesnt but im looking for mu changes that brings her userate up

[tropic summit]

couldn't have said it better

[tropic summit]

she directly counters stalls

slow cindy included

better win ratio than scarlet and SGs probably

at that point statistically you'd pick it up

[umbral crown]

your besto example of what rail said

[eager mountain]

p2 mihara

[tropic summit]

he wants to ensure she dies

for popping le DoT

[eager mountain]

taunts

[tropic summit]

ye he traded with that risk

p2 = hard to not killeroni
p2 = tauntable

CA is all about gambling you get the right matchup

don't really blame him

[wild hemlock]

Well she 1 taps without a buffer against just about anything maybe besides moran? Noise/bay gets deleted

[shell hazel]

I wonder how much this is just commander level bias 😄

[eager mountain]

humm... so if label have decent use rate, its should be beneficial to lib
not like i can even ca without doing spa as a full-time job and burning thousands gems per season anyways.

[upper grove]

3% frame vs lower % frame, easy choice

[eager mountain]

"real pvper" vs hybrid pve-pvper

[umbral belfry]

[hardy bison]

Hey all, my friend is having issues dealing with these teams, any suggestions? https://prnt.sc/8ULOQlopUsz5 https://prnt.sc/MrseZBSYGWlK

[craggy pier]

I put my maxed out Nayuta in slot 5 with this and its been killing everything

[warm monolith]

I was calculating beforehand and t1 is in deficit sadly. My team is 871k and i need 881k at least

[worn ridge]

So close

[warm monolith]

Also t3 is 3RL without flex but i can make it 2RL i think

[gaunt pulsar]

top, bottom
invested blanc assumed, if she isn't probably have to move her to p3 in top party. SWHA should be the lowest hp inside jackal link for her to be indom target.
suggest not to set up this parties as def

[warm monolith]

Also @tropic summit t3 vestitu/thelm/blanc/trina/jackal 2RL 990k enemy and at least 838k needed and with trina its 883k should i run trina? I can also run tlap instead

[hardy bison]

Cool cool, I'll test it for him later.

[scarlet adder]

hey guys why bay cover didn't take this?

[warm monolith]

Milisecond late maybe?

[scarlet adder]

but there is literally cindy portrait showing up, doesn't it mean it activated?

[glad meteor]

CS diff

Bay dmg share has a cast time before activating

Longer than Noah / blanc

[scarlet adder]

ehh it was working before ehhh shit

thanks guys

[versed mesa]

Okay, so I sniped C1 with my second free ticket before reset... He is online, but he didn't take it back... I dunno why he would have been online for any other reason than to counter snipe, but he didn't...

https://tenor.com/view/what-does-it-mean-butters-stotch-south-park-s14e1-pulling-a-tiger-gif-22899284

[scarlet adder]

there is no easy solution to this i guess? all RLs would need to have better CS?

[versed mesa]

Could try adjutant cube if you aren't quite hitting a breakoff point for CS% to push for that extra speed

[runic coral]

lowkey working I'm not even gonna lie

[jagged mesa]

your time is UP, FOLIAN TIME

[umbral belfry]

I do think he wins LOL

I told @wet crystal in pie discord that I'd trade a loss to being back in your sp and he said no

[wet crystal]

I bet on you just saying, I better get my credit boxes

[jagged mesa]

what the

why are you two hanging out without me

[leaden canyon]

nice

[jagged mesa]

am i not good enough

[jagged mesa]

wheres the self belief? the MANIFESTATION?

[umbral belfry]

folian I'm literally saying you win!!

[wet crystal]

it worked only on the noah copies, that self belief bordering delusion

[umbral belfry]

do u wanna join the pie discord

it's open to everyone

[jagged mesa]

your trick worked for me

[jagged mesa]

its ok i hardly have time now, im slammed at work 😭

i still dont even know what label does

[umbral belfry]

speaking of work, back I go

[jagged mesa]

1 ada vs 5 nikke at 25% deficit, WHO WINS

[worn ridge]

You're losing ofc

[jagged mesa]

[placid bloom]

When we gonna meet in top 64 again sir

[jagged mesa]

brother i cant even make it past advanced

im evne bouncing between c3 and c6 now in SP

[placid bloom]

Can’t slack on farming stars for BAde frame

[jagged mesa]

everybody else full sent their cd boxes (and spent $ im pretty sure)

im holding strong for new story chapters

[placid bloom]

I mean you still have to hope cd/h milestone actually moves low enough

Otherwise you are only getting +1 cd/h anyway

[jagged mesa]

i heard some people say its confirmed to move before mc hard

[placid bloom]

[versed mesa]

I couldn't save since all 3 of my main opponents went full on leveling spree. Needed to catch up on the CP boost they all got before mine.

[jagged mesa]

maybe i should open just a bit until 401?

[placid bloom]

Depend on if you can clear CC at 401

If you have to get to 410 to clear you save no box

[jagged mesa]

pretty sure i can

[versed mesa]

Though I'm caught up on chapters so for me new chapters are only a small increase per box

[jagged mesa]

i cleared previous CC with 7/7/7 ein too, if i open to 401 i might not even need to level ein skills

but i probably should anyways for MC hard

[jagged mesa]

welcome to the hard mode grind

[versed mesa]

Just try to push as hard as you can at deficit before using boxes

[jagged mesa]

im at 47% deficit i still want to save for the 102cd/h jump though

[versed mesa]

I've cleared both normal and hm already

[jagged mesa]

oh so its mostly small pickings for you then

im trying to save for that yuge jump so i can jump 20+ levels in one go

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[placid bloom]

+3-4 cd/h don’t matter when you get credit bottleneck

[versed mesa]

Too true

[jagged mesa]

ive been hearing about the credit bottleneck for a while and i havent faced it yet

i was promised id be short on credit like 80 synchro ago

[placid bloom]

I think I will hit it in another 150 levels

[versed mesa]

So many Nikkes to overload for SR and now PvP

[placid bloom]

You only hit it early if you buy cd

[versed mesa]

Credits run dry fast

[placid bloom]

550-600 should be the normal time you hit it

[versed mesa]

It was around that for me yeah

[jagged mesa]

🙋

[tropic summit]

yeah deficit a bit too heavy on the cindy team, try liberalio instead of cindy and fit at least 1 buffer

if you got quantum lvl 7, this could work

lib should hit harder than cindy in this specific case

[tropic summit]

the noah bis lib rh swha team can be on deficit, T3 needs to avoid deficit, use w/e that keeps vestiTU linked

to check link run that team in shooting range / campaign and check "jumping jackal" buff on the unit

1. start battle
2. pause
3. click on the unit and read the buffs

[tropic summit]

cover is intact, B2 didn't go off in time, remove cindy for liberalio or vestitu (need SR15 + tempering to attempt surviving rosa with an attacker, avoid using that B3 unit in p1 and p2)

this is a scenario of opponent with CS% while you don't, get helm 8CS% asap to avoid these situations

rumani and trina could both use 11%-15% asap

(11% to enable noah resistance to siren, so it also helps situationally in other teams)

another issue to inform you about is cindy in p2 against enemy RLs, you're making them burst faster, as they hit 3 hitboxes instead of 2 (cindy decoy)

that's 1.25x extra burst gen, particularly bad against jackal, they're likely around 1.8-1.9RL because of that

to put it simple, their fastest charging RL will kick them in something faster than 2RL, because it will be sufficient to hit the gen needed to burst sooner

[scarlet adder]

thank you

ahh yes i forgot about not putting Cindy in p2, but it was working before but i guess his CS made it a problem

[gaunt pulsar]

you have 0cs on rumani or trina?

[tropic summit]

helm is even less expensive, 8%CS and it does the job on most teams

clip RLs need 11% to start being impactful

then again in this chat we've seen ppl running vestiTU with less than 3%CS and s.anis with ammo OLs

[gaunt pulsar]

just checking no cs on rumani or trina is what ruins it for him here actually, helm alone wont save, he is too close to scar

[tropic summit]

and cindy in p2 doesn't help

those 2 together are probably screwing him

[gaunt pulsar]

nah, not so much here, but yea it's a bad idea to run her in p2

[tropic summit]

oof 2 frames gained...

add adjutant on rumani and trina for ultra copium?

[gaunt pulsar]

0, he need 25% from cindy to get to 130

thats enemy

[tropic summit]

rip

[gaunt pulsar]

i'm just trying to check what his cs is from frame data seems like:
enemy:
trina 15%, jackal 15%, centi 11%
his - rumani or trina 0 , and helm/bay whatever, if he had trina and rumani on 5% or 8% he actually could be few frames faster where it matters, but i dont like 30fps videos to check that stuff

[tropic summit]

how much CS% you giving to enemy team?

i'm assuming 15% on their batteries, theoretically graph shows bay before scarlet still

i'm thinking it's cindy p2 afterall the gamebreaker here perhaps?

i dunno if nikke top considers cindy position for extra burst, probably not

gonna remove the 8% from helm to confirm

ye the 8% is useless here

[wise horizon]

This will be okay to go?

[tropic summit]

T1 and T3 wins

T1 direct counter
T3 you slightly outspeed, but it needs scarlet to be siren resistant, so check her ammo requirement

if she doesn't meet ammo requirement, put jackal p1, keep team 2RL with trina and scarlet and use a different flex than RH

[scarlet adder]

for now i have initial rolls on both of them and only trina got single line xD

[gaunt pulsar]

as expected, only 1 on one, need 5 on second one then it would change something there, but still probably need 8 on both, or better 11

[tropic summit]

gotta get those CS% lines

[gaunt pulsar]

nah it doesn't they also may overestimate scar counter, they count all hits she receive and return exactly 30% of those as energy, 30% isn't exactly 100 to be so sure it happens

[versed mesa]

Is the ammo count for Scarlet to avoid Siren stun between 27 and 33?

[tropic summit]

from memory 40% ammo is still fine, 60% is iirc max before she's no longer covering when stun happens

[glad meteor]

32 ammo max

[tropic summit]

here you go

[gaunt pulsar]

lowest should be 20

[versed mesa]

Well shit I have one ammo line for 64.82% which puts me at 33

[tropic summit]

it's not gamebreaking, you can most of the time work around it

i used to run flex alice p1 to catch the stun in scarlet's sted

[versed mesa]

Yeah, most of my enemies not even running Siren

[tropic summit]

you can also use RH flex p1, she can B1, then stunned and allows for B2 and B3 to happen

since scarlet and cindy 2RL on defense are no longer viable, even less reason to mess with her ammo

realistically on attack you can deal with it as above

[versed mesa]

Yeah I won't reroll her ammo just for pvp, since she still has her uses for me on pve side

Not that I have the rocks anyway even if I did

[raven plover]

[umbral belfry]

@dense kindle

[dense kindle]

Hi Hime

[umbral belfry]

gl in your match

[dense kindle]

Ty you too

Lock in for 3rd win

[umbral belfry]

I fear that this is where my story ends

[dense kindle]

[umbral belfry]

carry on my legacy

[dense kindle]

I think i lose too at least according to voting

[shell hazel]

[shell hazel]

Hime lock in

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1298229166352629811.webp?size=64&animated=true

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

[leaden canyon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166552373011943474/1166947146965188648/ezgif.com-rotate_1.gif?ex=654c5738&is=6539e238&hm=774a6410b2fa686b6ed9af8619c36bf10c0717be3e6ba441c0e517073c53763b&

[raven plover]

[dense kindle]

[swift mango]

I'm out this time.

Tough luck

All because my SW stronger than last CA.

[oak hatch]

I lost to slow cindy cuz of this reason lmao

[gaunt bane]

looking for some feedback if any, here's my box: https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNjk0NzgzNDI1MDUyOTc3MzU1OA%3D%3D

• 3rd team is just auto right now
• I'm aware that Cindy might face issue with Label

[versed mesa]

Odd quirk I was wondering about. If I have SBS or any other Wind ele unit linked with Jackal, would VestiTU actually do more damage to them all from ele weakness?

[swift mango]

[gritty ridge]

T1 bad

Youre feeding so much

[swift mango]

No. But the shared dmg would be more if you hit the wind unit ofc.

[gaunt bane]

T1 feeding? What

[gritty ridge]

Youre making your opponent significantly faster

[gaunt bane]

No I mean how? None of them are smg/mg/ar or am I missing something

[gritty ridge]

Cindy in p1 is making the opponent burst after 1 shot

Even if they didnt, noah taunting to p3 is giving 25% more feed

[gaunt bane]

Whats your suggestion then

[gritty ridge]

Drop cindy entirely

Replace her with noise or moran, remove rh

[versed mesa]

Ok, I was assuming so. I changed my Rookie team that used Cindy, because of one guy who kept gemming, for some reason, and just hitting and winning it constantly. Changed to SBS, but then suddenly another player who hasn't attacked me in weeks came in even with a CP deficit or barely above. I'm assuming my SBS was getting killed too fast from a Vesti maybe even while linked. But not sure.

He stopped attacking when I swapped Cindy back

[gritty ridge]

@gaunt bane try this

[gaunt bane]

And count on sw to dps? Will surviving to get her 3.6s shot out be a problem? But ofc we have noah invincibility

[gaunt bane]

Isnt that siren weak

[gritty ridge]

No

B1 moran will taunt siren

[gaunt bane]

I see

[gritty ridge]

She wont taunt until burst tho

[quick lake]

The dmg shared is based on the P1 unit being attacked. If P1 is SBS, then all linked units will share the increased ele dmg

[gaunt bane]

Cant run that team tho, swha is the only built unit

[gritty ridge]

It can be worked towards thats fine, is noise built?

[oak hatch]

I asked u about this before and u said siren will stun Noah

[gritty ridge]

Your positioning was too far iirc

There is some delay for retargeting

[oak hatch]

It was Moran p1 and Noah p2

[gaunt bane]

I mean yea definitely will work towards pvp units but that will take a while lol
Thats why im looking for something more intermediate

[gritty ridge]

My knowledge is ever increasing

[gaunt bane]

Next in line for pvp investment is probably blanc, then Noah

[gritty ridge]

Noah first

[gaunt bane]

And then the battery. Will be a while until it reach moran/noise lol

[gritty ridge]

Blanc is usually in p4 or biscuit protected

Batteries also arent high prio for overloads

Noah is a battery, snow is, helm is, lib is

[oak hatch]

U were right before tho and now u are wrong so that’s not increasing

[gritty ridge]

Ive used that comp with vesti

Noah moran vesti bisc helm

[oak hatch]

Take a look at this 2 rl on both positioning, Moran never taunts for Noah

[versed mesa]

Ah got it cheers. SBS was in P3 so that wasn't it then. Then again could have been an indom on their Vesti, again if they were using her, though would assume so

[oak hatch]

I’ve done tests on this many many times

[gritty ridge]

Well theres an issue there

You let a siren in p1 survive

[oak hatch]

She’s supposed to survive or how am I supposed to test stun

I ran a weak team on purpose

[quick lake]

Is this pre-burst? Moran has no taunt pre-burst

[gaunt bane]

Anyway is there any immediate improvement can be made for T1?

[gritty ridge]

Replace cindy with literally anyone else

Even crow would be an improvement there

[oak hatch]

2 rl Moran Noah, Moran can’t stop siren from stunning Noah which stops Noah from burst

[gaunt bane]

why does P1 cindy feed btw

[gritty ridge]

@oak hatch

[versed mesa]

Her decoy skill will make enemy rocket launchers hit multiple targets, super bad and gives them way too much extra burst gen

Right?

[oak hatch]

That’s p4 siren tho so targeting is different

[gritty ridge]

Siren in p1-3 would just die, I cant test that

[quick lake]

Cindy’s decoy is weirdly position on her right. Near P2. So opponents attack P2 which is more targets = causes feed

[gritty ridge]

Your case is just noah re-taunting at a bad time. Its a cs% issue

[gritty ridge]

Her decoy itself also acts as another unit

Hence why she feeds in p2

Poli is another unit that feeds when shot by rl

[gaunt bane]

guess I'll go with this for now, siren weak but at least better than cindy p1 I guess

[oak hatch]

My Noah 12 cs u can ask kuwon about it, we had a whole conversation about it and came to conclusion she won’t have taunt prio

[gritty ridge]

My noah is 5% cs

[gritty ridge]

Replace ada with biscuit

[gaunt bane]

biscuit only has R15, tank CP too much

[gritty ridge]

Your noah will just die

[quick lake]

Move Centi to P2 and its good

[gritty ridge]

Yeah well kuwon is a stinker

[oak hatch]

All I can say is Moran may still protect Noah if siren is in p3-5 but p1-2 has already been tested where Noah got stunned

[gaunt bane]

hopefully survive until burst, at least for my bracket

[gaunt bane]

yea thanks, now I wait to see if I could defend my c3 with this lol

[true tiger]

does cp matters in arena ?

[gritty ridge]

Its what matters most

[true tiger]

also that's what I'm currently using in arena, any imporvement I can do ?

[true tiger]

so there's no way to bridge the cp gap (my nikke's are lv313 and most of my opponets are 400+)

[gritty ridge]

I didnt say theres no way

[raven plover]

there is...

[gritty ridge]

You gotta spend alot of money in that case

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[gritty ridge]

If its only an 80 sync gap its bridgable for 1-2 teams

Depending on your opponent

[true tiger]

lmao, I'm f2p x)

[gritty ridge]

Also depends on your invests ofc

[tulip quest]

that's not counting if he has proper meta teams or not cause if it's Meta

[gritty ridge]

Thats why I said depends on your opponent

If they're running 3 campaign teams you get to become captain ahab

[true tiger]

most of them are sl 7 or 10 (those I use on solo raid)

how's this for defense ?

[swift mango]

@tropic summit yeah, not enough to kill from full hp.
It's sad but it is what it is. Would need to chip SW or helm a bit with counter to kill without Crit.

Maybe it's enough if there wasn't 40 level difference.

Maybe I need 1 more line Ele

[tulip quest]

that 43% defense from snow working

[swift mango]

It's because her sequence attack some how dispel Rosa concealment while Scarlet counter not

[tulip quest]

Double working

[swift mango]

I may need to roll for 4th ele on rosa

[tulip quest]

so Rosa can't hide from Snow interesting

[swift mango]

That's why people use SW in Scarlet team.

[tulip quest]

Imagine trying to hide but all places gets hit by a Missle in War

[swift mango]

She got hit scarlet sword strikes and fing died but still hiding.

[tropic summit]

yeah this is reasonable, i've had the same issue

costs linking rosanna or adding more pre-burst damage / buffs, makes SWHA even more precious on defense

[tulip quest]

Shift up even thought about making her tanky vs Rosa with that Defense buff

they've really thought about this

[tropic summit]

spoiler: they didn't, they don't account for these things, fairly sure it just happened to be this way

[tropic summit]

T1 is ok on speed but lacks anti nuke, still if you don't have much else it's not a bad team per se, consider swapping centi with trina, since trina can synergize with cindy

T2 trina is not a defender, won't synergize with biscuit, centi would if that was your idea here. SBS is a weak choice for B3, especially as i see you've SWHA, consider swapping them or using an instant nuker instead of a DPS oriented B3. Expect most teams to die if their 2RL doesn't have indom, anti nuke, nuke resistance or a nuke of their own

T3 unproteced noah in p1 and siren in p2 as your only B1... both wind codes... this is a vestiTU wet dream or a SG based team dream, lib is also a weak choice as her B3 is a delayed nuke, doesn't help it's a 3RL. Reconsider

Tips:

• your defense is as good as your 2 worse teams. Opponent here will likely skip T1 and focus on your two weaker T2 and T3, essentially this means your units in T1 are wasted
• consolidate in 2 strong teams, both 2RL or 2.5RL if possible, 3rd team can be CP pad until you've better pvp core units
• for the CP pad, consider p1 nayuta/crown, if crown add biscuit in p4 and then full pad it

[true tiger]

yeah t3 was monstly a filler,
for t2 who(s considered as a instant nuker ?

[tropic summit]

BiS B3 for defense in most situations:

1. vestiTU, best B3 on defense in most situations
2. SWHA, unlike vestiTU won't be instant, but is close to and especially a good choice if you got nothing else, ideally needs to be indommed or behind noah or at least noise bay
3. double buffed ein, trina buffed scarlet** (keep in mind label can now deny these, so pick others if available)**
4. single or no buff cindy** (suffers from the same above if 2RL)**
5. liberalio, but needs to be indommed or behind noah, weaker but possible behind noise/moran bay

[eager mountain]

and thats with sw debuff + noir buff + sw/counter tick...

[true tiger]

I've got no pulls for label anymore and didn't get her :'(((
what's BiS ?

[eager mountain]

i think the def increase part is def out of nowhere for pvp purpose even if its not that much

[tropic summit]

it's fine, she's not necessary, makes your life easier if you're without noah and indoms to deal with scarlets, you've noah

[tropic summit]

best in slot

[true tiger]

I went for this

swapped trina to T1

used noah on T2 for anti nuke

[tropic summit]

looks like a good upgrade

[true tiger]

t3 is mostly filler with the most cp + vesti

430K on t3

[tropic summit]

T1 improved synergy
T2 gained anti nuke and far more threat
T3 will do, if you've nayuta can use her in p1, move siren in p4 and alice in p1-p2, crown can stay p3

[tropic summit]

awesome, that wll do

[true tiger]

does it still work even tho it's not even RL4 ?

[tropic summit]

opponent now can't easily campaign team against it as nayuta is blocking p1

your only B1 wind code is also away from vestiTU splash range pre burst

[true tiger]

so much mastery

also should I use same team for attack ?

[tropic summit]

attack is based on what you facing, situationally you'll need a noah team against one and a indom/fast nuke team against another

[true tiger]

and rely mainly on the first 2 depending on my opponent

[eager mountain]

1-5 in order of strength? or vesti+sw+slow cindy?

[tropic summit]

1. noah biscuit is good for matchups where you need antinuke
2. the other team, ideally a 2RL fast nuke or indom, can deal with the 2nd or 3rd weaker team

if you don't have already, wishlist/build blanc to SR15, same for jackal, and bring them to 4OL, 4/4/4
this allows you to run indom teams

example of a SBS indom

[true tiger]

btw should'nt I swap alice and vestTU because in T3 she's not bursting