pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

if only vestiTU present, anchor lives on tempering SR15

at that point we can also just put helmt instead in p2

[leaden canyon]

I mean she can be but this is just a weird situation because he has a lot of cs on his jackal

[swift mango]

unless against vesti team that's strong enough

[leaden canyon]

Hmmm alright, his vesti is probably 50% attack btw

[tropic summit]

das fine, it's what we need

[silk iris]

my t1 cant reach 119

[tropic summit]

do you've label or bay

post your box

[shell hazel]

I just want to point out I'm already doing something similar in this CA lol

[tropic summit]

or actually sub swha for helmT if she's higher CP it fixes it

[leaden canyon]

is that 2RL? I dont think label saves him if its 2.5

[hollow lagoon]

Gold ticket a couple sw and he goochi

[tropic summit]

don't lead them to the dark path

[shell hazel]

I'm running moran/trina/helmT 2RL @leaden canyon in the CA

[tropic summit]

nah he'd sub siren and just facetank it with lifesteal/DPS

[hollow lagoon]

When else are you supposed to use gold tickets other than collabs and 1% no rebate banners

[tropic summit]

oke CP wise looks good... but wrong RH. Put RH or liter instead of RRH

you need double buff

[silk iris]

oh

[hollow lagoon]

Rad Hood

[silk iris]

i have higher cp with liter which one should i do?

[hollow lagoon]

Hood buff thicker

[tropic summit]

you need 1882k, safer with liter so you avoid weird roundings on penalty

[shell hazel]

although curious zanta if we anchor my moran team and then bay onto the biscuit one? might lose too much speed though

[hollow lagoon]

Man deficit gaming is rough

[leaden canyon]

mine

[shell hazel]

i'm a big of life steal hp stacked moran lol

[swift mango]

it's the basic slow cindy team

Rumani+Blanc+Cindy+Biscuit+Midhara

[hollow lagoon]

Anchor Moran could work but ur trying to bet on ur other units live the exchange? Could work? I was thinking of a Nayuta share heal helm burst leech on noise anchor very beeg hp buff but idk how it would play out

[tropic summit]

whel wet dream because it's anti underdog too

[swift mango]

Yeah, Rapipi 3rl indom is fine

[tropic summit]

solved it with hyperbuffed moran in the end, give it a watch was 🍿

#pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit I ruined him didn’t I

[tropic summit]

man this salad keeps getting crazier

[shell hazel]

too many expensive units one team maybe

[swift mango]

indom on ada so they lost

[shell hazel]

that's the thing with salad, you can just keep adding more ingredients and it keeps getting better

[hollow lagoon]

Makes 2 cycle Moran see look weak af now days tbh

[tropic summit]

scarlet on def has been drastically nerfed and was already doin' poorly before, so don't
you can keep the vestiTU team tho

[hollow lagoon]

My salad took out enough 2 cycle sets in ca, if 2 cycles can’t take out salad what can it take out? Kekw

Hence I feel 2 cycle Moran Noah sets are dead in the water, u can kill slow Cindy if lib version but like you can just roll a regular lib nuke and use less pieces

[gritty ridge]

@swift mango do you have a test partner?

[silk iris]

i lost rip

[tropic summit]

you forgot to put quantums on

opponent noah bursted before you stunned her

[silk iris]

wait do i put it on helm too?

[tropic summit]

no i think this is an issue of CS%

team might be siren resistant so we'll need to change approach

[silk iris]

i put the quantum on noah

[tropic summit]

can you show opponent 3rd team?

and as i said earlier i could use your box, we probably not using your best tools

[tropic summit]

oke this one is easier

show le box and we can take em

[hollow lagoon]

T2 no defenseives, scarlet on def is yikes sincen Label release

[tropic summit]

good i see liberalio

[tropic summit]

run these, no cubes particularly needed

liter can stay in T2, RH goes to T3

[swift mango]

no, I just test with whichever my c1 put out

at least, he has been putting out meta teams recently

Now I worry reset would driven him away...

[gritty ridge]

Are you able to test a team for me? Im struggling cuz i need the enemy team to survive the nuke without noah

[swift mango]

what nuke?

[gritty ridge]

Snow white

[gritty ridge]

Im trying to test snow and miranda, it seems like they're bugged

[tropic summit]

20% deficit, you should be fine

lib is still lethal at that range, she's on 3 buffs

[swift mango]

which team?

[gritty ridge]

As long as miranda is b1 and snow is b3 it doesnt matter

[leaden canyon]

Pretty sure its mirandaT SWHA blanc centi jackal

[swift mango]

I don't have opponent with that team.

it's overkill anyway

[gritty ridge]

Im saying you run that team, silly

[leaden canyon]

Apparently the crit is bugged

[gritty ridge]

If we can confirm its bugged, and get them to make snows extra shots crit then it would counter moran noah

[swift mango]

run i to what?

I have 2rl Noah.
2rl blanc
Standard SG+Nayuta

[gritty ridge]

2rl blanc would work

At least 1 unit would live

[leaden canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1273933998762229845/1358023678817734716/axszQ2v-bxriXsT1kS8w-8w.gif

Maybe we keep this to ourselves

[gritty ridge]

Nuh uh

[leaden canyon]

[tropic summit]

i'm already opening a support ticket with video evidence

[silk iris]

idek what happened LOL

but i won

[gritty ridge]

Do you want more video?

I have another one

[forest zodiac]

hey, I just scraped enough to build vestiTU sr5 (does she needs sr15, turbo short on toy resources) 7-10-10 , do I just slap her instead of scarlet? #pvp-arena message
this suggest complete scrapping of T3 tho?

[tropic summit]

1hitko nuke happened, all enemies wiped, good job

[silk iris]

LMAOO it nuked them so hard the game froze and i won

[tropic summit]

yeah lib on that amount of buff is overkill

pretty sure you dealt more than twice their HP

[silk iris]

DAMN

[tropic summit]

since you were in deficit, i threw in 3 buffs for safety measure

[gritty ridge]

Lib? Overkill? Where

[tropic summit]

but generally RH buff alone is still enough

[silk iris]

aw hell yeah thats what i like

[gritty ridge]

Lib needs all the buffs she can get

(When youre at 25% deficit)

[swift mango]

SW a,ready counter Moran Noah though

no need any buffer

[gritty ridge]

Well I wany her to do it better

I finally have someone I can run miranda with

[tropic summit]

if your blanc is built, can turn T3 into indom vestiTU

jackal vestiTU flex blanc centi (flex being any clip SG burst gen tier or faster, vesti linked and lowest HP in link)

example:

[forest zodiac]

I guess bsoda should be ok

also stupid question but just to be sure what means blanc built

sr15 4-4-7 is not enough?

[gritty ridge]

Eventually bump her to 4 4 10

[tropic summit]

burst lvl 10 for max invest, rest is ok

[gritty ridge]

But I assume he means overloaded

So it doesnt drop cp

[leaden canyon]

Watch blanc get treasure

[tropic summit]

beware of HP of linked unit, if it's lower than vestiTU it will steal indom

[gritty ridge]

That would be peak

[tropic summit]

use a flex unit that retains higher HP and matches burst gen need

[forest zodiac]

thank you, just checked its ok

[leaden canyon]

Moran blanc and jackal treasures would be hilarious

[tropic summit]

next unit: reduce fire damage dealt by 94%

[leaden canyon]

[tropic summit]

whels: "hurr durr this guy on 38% deficit keeps beating my teams"
@gritty ridge

[tropic summit]

how different is that from canonical RH/liter buffed SWHA dmg?

in terms of % of more dmg

[gritty ridge]

If they release label/sakura for fire im cooked

[swift mango]

The Crit isn't guaranteed

Miranda > Liter

[tropic summit]

naruhodo

looks at my miranda lvl 1

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Like everything in this game

[leaden canyon]

you guys think core 5, SR 15, temp 15, level 4 on gear noah can survive being in p2 without biscuit?

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Of course my friendo

[leaden canyon]

I feel like vesti still splashes her to death

[umbral crown]

Mine always do, but everyrhing is maxed, C6 but soon C7

[swift mango]

Idk or at least partly not guaranteed

[umbral crown]

Depends how invested that vesti is

[leaden canyon]

everything maxed? like level 5 gear and skill at and burst at 10?

[umbral crown]

Yeah

[shell hazel]

besto shieldo

it's Rosy we're talking about here

[umbral crown]

Its besto shieldo after akl

[shell hazel]

exacto

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-noah-nikke-noah-nikke-noah-laugh-nikke-goddess-of-victory-noah-gif-17023728986967210603

[tropic summit]

yes but does he have the besto shields of all besto shields? he's actual f2p

some others besto shields here are a bit stronger

[leaden canyon]

My noah is 7/7/7

[shell hazel]

core 5 besto shieldo

[leaden canyon]

I cant imagine putting golds into her

[shell hazel]

it's close to core max

[swift mango]

Difference between Crit and not Crit is huge

[tropic summit]

but it's gambleroni

[leaden canyon]

I'm overloading my miranda finally

[shell hazel]

ah I see you got those levels I sent you

[umbral crown]

She was top 1 cp but since helm got c7 and has some black/blue lines she overtook her

[umbral crown]

Yeah, they were a bit slow but they arrived

[tropic summit]

pvp main account spotted

[gritty ridge]

Yeah we need this bug fix, I need her for deficit hits

[umbral crown]

[leaden canyon]

same

[tropic summit]

bigboi going from chaotic neutral to true evil chaotic

[swift mango]

[gritty ridge]

She just does so much dmg its ridiculous

[shell hazel]

damn you really went all out lol

I'd love to +5 but I have so much gear to upgrade :9

7/7/7 like Dair

[umbral crown]

But besto shieldo deserves the best

[shell hazel]

I know I just don't have things to do it 🙁

[tropic summit]

besto shieldo still blew in many pie- err nvm

[shell hazel]

many pies eh?

[swift mango]

10107 me

[gritty ridge]

I have besto shieldo

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

i've average shieldo

[gritty ridge]

4 4 4 lvl 0 gear lb0

[umbral crown]

Let me just do the thing

40 pulls in standar and ez besto shieldo C7

[tropic summit]

oi oi someone stop him

https://klipy.com/gifs/stop-stop-it-51

[leaden canyon]

what do you guys think, was considering centi instead of xmaiden

Should still be 2RL though

[tropic summit]

they're ok i guess

T2 looking a bit on the weaker side

[gritty ridge]

[leaden canyon]

Hmmm, the only other thing to try would be rosanna sac

[tropic summit]

put yourself in the opponent shoes

find the 2 weakest teams and improve them on difficulty

obviously you won't make unbeatable teams, but make them harder

[leaden canyon]

well yeah

[tropic summit]

you're not using soda, siren and biscuit

and ofc rosanna

the above add difficulty

helmT main B3 is cheesable

T3 is skippable or rosanna'eble, and you can't do much about that

which leaves then opponent dealing with T1, which is quite standard team

add difficulty to T2 and T1

[leaden canyon]

I mean I was running moran noah biscuit vestiTU helmT before and was losing

I guess the other two teams were getting killed

[tropic summit]

moran noah biscuit vestitu helmt isn't unbeatable

but it does have some costs to beat it, which is healthy

focus on teams that are expensive

to fight against

e.g. nayuta ros 2RL forces a noah

at that point you know he can't use noah on the other 2 teams

indom counters noah in general... which leaves 1 more team you need to think of

[gritty ridge]

Hear me out

Miranda snow blanc trina jackal

[tropic summit]

ded to ros 2RL

[gritty ridge]

Nuh uh

Miranda tanks it

[tropic summit]

ros targets attackers

swha is water code

[gritty ridge]

Yeah but miranda arrested her

Because shes a criminal

[tropic summit]

yeah..

@leaden canyon here get creative

[gritty ridge]

I do dislike both rosa and sakura as characters

[swift mango]

I thought it maybe link so I use lv1 Rosa to unlink. But the Crit is still not guaranteed.

[gritty ridge]

Its a bug

[swift mango]

What bug

[gritty ridge]

Snow not working the same she does in pve

Snow crits on all the mobs with miranda

I tested

[swift mango]

maybe the first round is guaranteed to crit Idk. The sequence did 3 laps 5x3 in arena instead of 1x15

[gritty ridge]

It should still crit as its all sourced from 1 bullet

[swift mango]

Also, link making it real time recount so erase the guarantee entirely on the link

need more test but this is my guess

[upbeat dock]

Anyone know off the top of their head how many of these are required to lv5 a piece of gear from lv0?

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit hear me out

[gritty ridge]

Its like 120 or someghing

[leaden canyon]

Rosanna kills lib, vesti indom kills siren before she can even stun and will kill the rest of the team

Although the rosanna will have to be pretty built

or they just sac kill you

[grand plaza]

Blanc burst 7 is good enough right?

[leaden canyon]

Eventually you want it at 10 for full kill potential, but yeah you can leave it at 7 if you have other stuff to build

[rustic sandal]

It's pretty annoying, but fighting this guy is now 50-50. VestiTU dies so HelmT bursts, and I win with sustain, barely.

Too bad I still don't have Blanc/Noah

I wonder if moving units around wins me

[leaden canyon]

So you own siren?

[rustic sandal]

Nah. If I did, I'd be using her right?

[leaden canyon]

Instead of hood yeah

You could do moran also instead of hood

[winter kraken]

what about moran helm biscut vesti sw

[rustic sandal]

Oh wow. All I gotta do was put VestiTU in P1 and I win.

[noble python]

Ik Level 4 to 5 takes 72

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit @umbral crown @swift mango

[glad meteor]

[gritty ridge]

Hi

[glad meteor]

[gritty ridge]

Did you wanna see miranda snow too? Idr

[glad meteor]

I seen your vids

Looks like if she hits immune, then crit buff goes away

[gritty ridge]

I got one where nobody died on first volley cuz of my friend

So we can actually see if she crits

[glad meteor]

Oh to see crit, prob run unbuffed against moran bay

Wait, miranda is buff

[gritty ridge]

The vid i just sent i had them run healbot but they're much higher sync

Its abt as accurate as its gonna get

[scarlet adder]

so regarding hitting Cindy avatar and generating more burst, is it only for RLs? also does Label's shield function same as that avatar regarding buffing opponents burst gen?

[gritty ridge]

Does labels shield project a shield in front of her or is it just personal

If it adds another entity its gonna increase gen

Also pierce gets extra gen against Cindy iirc

[scarlet adder]

i saw this in nikke gg

[gritty ridge]

Nikke gg is pretty outdated iirc

[scarlet adder]

this is new post about label

[gritty ridge]

Wait is that a label entry

Thats crazy, idk tho

I havent done any testing

[scarlet adder]

but SGs don't generate extra on Cindy only RLs and piersers?

[glad meteor]

Maybe can try this

Unless you think your snow kills nero pre burst

Then replace helm with jackal

[gritty ridge]

Im out of hits for the day

I can check tmr but ill most likely be heavily gapped

Hes 40 sync above me and is multi CA champ lol

[glad meteor]

NA for ya

[gritty ridge]

Yeap

[glad meteor]

[gritty ridge]

Id be a muti CA champ if I was in another server

[ivory violet]

159.2 to go from level 0 to level 5 at tier 9, 238.8 to go from 0-5 once it's t10

[glad meteor]

Yeah.

[shell hazel]

the 2nd +5 is really brutal lol

which is why I barely do it

[glad meteor]

So you do it

🐳

[shell hazel]

I have like 2 bits of gear at +5 :9

[glad meteor]

I have more

[shell hazel]

it might even be 1 lol

[glad meteor]

Really frickin expensive

[shell hazel]

ah no it is 2

+3 and chill usually

[swift mango]

come to mine your account old enough here.

[shell hazel]

I will +5 some meta stuff in the end, or new meta stuff maybe? I feel like value is good for like Rapi, Snow White etc

[leaden canyon]

I just really hope the brackets actually change this time

Last time the reshuffle happened nothing changed for mine

[gritty ridge]

Are you trying to say id be in your CA bracket in sea?

[swift mango]

yes

[shell hazel]

someone did say that really old players don't change much

[gritty ridge]

Thats ridiculous

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

that is why keripo always has his union mate to test against

I'd like for them to properly shuffle a bit more too

[leaden canyon]

At least kick this whale out who just sits there and does nothing I swear

[wild hemlock]

My sp arena has basically never changed every shuffle and it feels the same for CA

Always got 2 whales in spot 1/2 in SP, same 2 players since the dawn of man

[swift mango]

some whale with account as young as yours got champ in my bracket, his Vesti Absolute win rate is very high that people needed to make teams to counter it.

[shell hazel]

last shuffle was the most changed mine has been, I got completely isekaid into a new SPA bracket and a new CA one too

[leaden canyon]

I feel like if CP or sync level gets to a certain point it should pair those people with other similar power

[shell hazel]

nah they won't do that doesn't encourage gemming/spending to catch up

[swift mango]

he is 4 times champ now counting the 3 time he was with smol guys no Emi.

[ivory violet]

Nah I'm good stomping ppl who started the same time as me but don't have the cp I do

[leaden canyon]

I feel like whales fighting eachother would encourage more spending wouldn't it?

[shell hazel]

I mean they'll get less than the whales buying cd so they stay ahead in pvp prob

they would be less inclined to bother if they know they'll get power matched

[gritty ridge]

If only I wasnt sync gapped by ny union mates

I could drop 600$ in a month to catch up

But hell nah

[gritty ridge]

Thats crazy

The sync 300's sitting with blood doesnt feel right

[swift mango]

He is a whale so his synch close to 500

[gritty ridge]

Thats uh...

Not in my range at all

[swift mango]

just buy more core dust

[gritty ridge]

I have a leviathan and hes only sync 400

[swift mango]

yes he is also 401ish

a whale is all units max core

[gritty ridge]

Yeap

[swift mango]

There are few of them but only him seriously arena invested.

[gritty ridge]

I still hit him in rookie thi

Measly 70 sync gap

[swift mango]

Probably much luckier than me with rock roll

[swift mango]

wait, how old is your account?

1 year?

[gritty ridge]

No

9 months

April 10th was when I started

[swift mango]

anyway you would still be in my CA in SEA

[gritty ridge]

Terrible optimization

I dont wanna fight people with emilia

[swift mango]

SEA only has 4 bracket, bracket #4 has Emi. Bracket #3 above has Makima.

[gritty ridge]

NA has like 8 brackets

[swift mango]

I may jump back to #3 next reshuffle

That's how it is

[gritty ridge]

There may actually be a bracket under me in NA

Ill probably be getting raptured after this shuffle tho

Which means I get to fight hime

[deep kayak]

What def team can be used on sp arena with sw in it?

[spare nimbus]

Is it time to move scarlet down to ss tier?

[oblique gyro]

he's dead

lowest cp/sync of my guild and top 5 lowest sync of these 4 last weeks

[swift mango]

An anti meta is only effective if the target is a META.

[oblique gyro]

5 hours of tries

[swift mango]

[upbeat dock]

Hmm.. the new whale that appeared in my bracket is coming for me.. came out of nowhere with a bunch of max core characters, only has 20sync levels over me atm but I’m guessing that will slowly increase

[shell hazel]

grats! 🙂
34-25 for the cd jump to 102 cd/hour btw! you may find my clears in some of the lower ones last few weeks

[upbeat dock]

but server shuffle in 10 days so it might not matter at all

Hoping the shuffle doesn't mess everything up though, everyone is my bracket is roughly around the same level... would suck if they suddenly introduced a bunch of random lvl600 accounts into the pools

[gritty ridge]

Im so excited

[unreal nebula]

would really appreciate some guidance on possible pvp teams

https://gyazo.com/bc35fe7635098b8170a70ebb3058a524

[oblique gyro]

i'll try to get it tonight

[tranquil musk]

see the way Label is a scarlet counter? could Scarlet teams not just run Rossana to negate Label?

like it only activates one time per battle and buffs the labels entire team instead of debuffing your team

[upbeat dock]

wouldn't labels 70% lightning dmg reduction just neuter rosannas snipe as well

[tranquil musk]

wdym?

[upbeat dock]

oh, the dispel

[tranquil musk]

yeah, sorry i should've clarified

[coarse lake]

yes, unless the team is still intact after the snipe

like a defender b3 or something

[swift mango]

You can but Rosa dispel 2 units, you could manipulate what enemy rosa dispel

[upbeat dock]

what investment are you guys putting into Rosanna to reliably snipe attackers

[raven plover]

I just 4 atk and pray it works

[versed mesa]

So vexing, I am so many credits behind hitting level 681 for the CP boost. Could actually CP diff one of my opponents atleast a bit since I would be two big CP jump level gaps ahead.

[umbral crown]

this tbh

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit feels bad to sacc her now

[quartz rover]

i'm REAL close to paying 55 bucks so this little shit stops this

I bet he's noahing me

I cooked HARD

[tranquil musk]

True

Still feels like an easy counter though

[brazen salmon]

do i still need bay if i had trina, blanc, noah for each team B2 in SP Arena?

[plain kayak]

Guys, vestiT 1 crit rate and 2 charge speed, or 3 charge speed, what is better in PvP?

[tropic summit]

now move SWHA from T1 to T3 as main B3 and do not use lib as main B3
find a different flex for T1, maybe ada or any other unit that countribute to the overall team

[leaden canyon]

Alrighty

[tropic summit]

4-8% is good enough, get her 2 ammo and 2-4 atk 2-4 ele atk

any extra CS% can be useful but not mandatory

[wild patio]

[plain kayak]

What is the purpose of the ammunition? It helps her fire more shots in brust?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta viper helmt trina rh
• noah biscuit swha dkw cindy
• jackal siren lib bay alice

Notes

• need to build jackal to enable indom
• build utilities (centi, biscuit, rumani, trina, noah, some are dolless)
• consider treasuring laplace
• rosanna, rumani, centi are out of synchro
• build rosanna on the medium term

[tropic summit]

it's vital for indom vestiTU and useful for non indom vestiTU to keep firing

you want to reload the least possible during full burst

even more so during indom, as your time is limited to 10's

[umbral crown]

About time

But is jackee still with you

[rustic sandal]

Holy. Chill out!!

[tropic summit]

ch10 is gatekeeper for access from dia2 and dia1, get away from it if you can

[wild patio]

nope, but im with worse people now

[rustic sandal]

I can't. I get pulled back down just as easy.

[umbral crown]

[wild patio]

when will the game rewards me for being a pvp enthusiast

[rustic sandal]

Unless we can beat this guy.

[tropic summit]

never, in fact the least you play it the better

(for your sanity)

[rustic sandal]

Crescent is easy win. But the guy's willing to spend gems to keep his position.

[umbral crown]

The moment i start buying levels not anytime soon

[rustic sandal]

Like bro, let it go.

[umbral crown]

68k jims

[tropic summit]

T1 need noah or indom, need 191k CP
T2 need label or bay or indom or noah
T3 weak to most things

you got those tools?

[rustic sandal]

Nah. Obviously not.

[tropic summit]

[rustic sandal]

I do have Label and Bay.

[tropic summit]

then you've a shot

post your box

[rustic sandal]

Yeah. Then crescent just pulls me down.

Bro. He's a sniper.

[tropic summit]

RIP

[wild patio]

hes just like fr

[tropic summit]

you're gettin' boolied

[rustic sandal]

Like damn. Only 4 minutes.

[tropic summit]

4 and 6 minutes wut

[wild patio]

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/desktop-monitor

[rustic sandal]

My shit never changed.

Apart from Label.

[wild patio]

Is label worth getting

[plain kayak]

What stats good for label?

4 atk and crit rate?

[tropic summit]

no scarlet, noah, jackal, centi, rumani, trina, blanc, noise, biscuit really sucks

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/ashton-hall-ashton-hall-rage-ashton-hall-gaming-ashton-hall-2018-gif-10925503851276246188

[rustic sandal]

It's not funny at all.

Straight pissing me off.

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/money-burn-cash-shoveling-gif-5348644

[rustic sandal]

I am ready to throw all my gems in standard just to see if I'll get anything.

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/michaeljordan-mj-basketball-gif-michael-jordan-no-no-no-no-gif-16220345851539903827

[rustic sandal]

But of course, it's this same mentality that caused me to abandon the game twice.

[wild patio]

Throw in snow white banner

[rustic sandal]

I didn't get Modernia during her banner so I left.

I didn't get M.Priv during her banner so I left.

I hate to make the same mistake thrice.

[wild patio]

thats the best banner for now if you wanna be a pvp star

[rustic sandal]

Yes. I am a Month 1 player.

[wild patio]

you have to be patient to get Rapi Rh cuz shes one of the best pve units

[rustic sandal]

I got her on Standard when I returned.

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[charred wedge]

You've made good progress for being 1 month old tho .

Heck, I chilled in bronze for a good while. 1 1/2 year later im in challenger 2

Its just how it goes

[rustic sandal]

No, I'm talking about the fact that I played the game during Laplace's banner.

I'm an OG player, on my third coming.

[tropic summit]

there's hope yuki

T1 need 191k
T3 need 147k

can you show the 2 teams on the left CP?

[rustic sandal]

We're cooked gang.

[tropic summit]

yeah you can't realistically hit T1... gonna have to be T2 with label

[rustic sandal]

Need 190K for no deficit.

[charred wedge]

im currently reviving my friends account

Its going to be a challenge

[tropic summit]

2022 - synchro 221, just burn it

[tropic summit]

that's interesting

but label without doll against scarlet + vestiTU is asking... a lot

you need a biscuit

[rustic sandal]

Unless you're a Nikke shareholder, you're not gonna be able to synchro that to match their bracket's Chal1.

[charred wedge]

[rustic sandal]

I have one. But no R 15 doll.

[tropic summit]

show dis

[void glacier]

that guy reallly doesnt like you

[charred wedge]

Don't we all have these kind of fights tho

[tropic summit]

a 4/4/4 label without doll might straight up die to scarlet s2

[umbral crown]

[void glacier]

how do you check these stats?

[charred wedge]

Blabla

[rustic sandal]

Blabla

[quick lake]

blabla

[tropic summit]

their team is actually 3RL, won't even need label now that i see it

we just need you to burst

this might be doable afterall

[void glacier]

the nikke messaging thing?

[rustic sandal]

So, just go for it?

[quick lake]

https://www.blablalink.com

[tropic summit]

yep we can further fix it with CP as we no longer need anti nuke, we goin' ham, last draft

record it for 🍿

oh need to keep backup B2 cuz nayuta gets stun tho

hold on

[rustic sandal]

I can switch VestiTU and Nayuta.

[tropic summit]

yeah i'm thinking if we wanna sacc vesti

[rustic sandal]

Helm would end up bursting and I win with sustain.

[tropic summit]

if she dies too fast you still get nayuta stunned

it's probably safer to just get nayuta stunned

[rustic sandal]

Honestly, after what I've been through last season, I don't mind 2000 gems. But I sure don't mind getting 2400 without getting my hands dirty.

[tropic summit]

roll with this imo

should be lethal on scarlet, you've backup B2 and B3 in case p2 gets deleted

and you retain 2RL

[rustic sandal]

Too late I already clicked fight.

[tropic summit]

yuki is out for blood

[rustic sandal]

T3 lost

[tropic summit]

did RH die to drake pre 3RL?

can fix positioning

[rustic sandal]

Tomorrow. That's my last attempt.

[tropic summit]

grave anchor lib rh drake

[rustic sandal]

Time to wake up from my nap and find myself in Dia 1.

[tropic summit]

well at least you know you can beat this guy

enjoy your nap

[rustic sandal]

This is gonna be the last season I deal with these guys.

[tropic summit]

reshuffle shall save you surely

[rustic sandal]

Then they're gonna put me in a bracket with even more whales.

Not counting on that.

But if it does, then thank SU for it.

[tropic summit]

yeah we going indom SWHA route i think

oh even better actually

make them misindom:

check CP (require 1.101k)

condition:

• SWHA has less hp than HelmT and jackal and linked over siren

to check link you can run it in shooting range, ensure SWHA and helmT are linked, if SWHA and siren linked just move siren up in p2 and helmt in p4

how to check link:

1. enter any battle (shooting range or campaign) with that team
2. pause, click on the nikke, check "jumping jackal" buff is applied
3. the units with the buff above are linked

[visual willow]

my SP Arena Defense is too outdated I think now (still using SBS) can I get some help with building something? Here is my box

[wise horizon]

SWHA / HelmT / Blanc / Siren / Jackal

SWHA and HelmT are linked

[keen vapor]

Rail what I'm gonna do

There's snow team, Vesti team, but what is third now

[quick lake]

lib

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Everyone is low CP

[quick lake]

🧱

[keen vapor]

[gritty ridge]

The humble 32% deficit lib wipe

[radiant coral]

OL lines?

[gritty ridge]

Nothing too fancy

[swift mango]

@noble hatch @rich ledge @mystic rain @worldly osprey

@median flare

[gritty ridge]

Im continuing to improve my lib, ive gotta get her that 4th atk but its gonna suck

2 rock rolls with no guaranteed lines

Terrible

[rich ledge]

U are in my group haha

[swift mango]

Yeah, I was about to say that. But those 2 guys in the same group was funnier.

They had a rematch asap.

[swift mango]

⚔️

My Nero only has 2OL.

[radiant coral]

I should probably use lib more in arena then if you can do that much with only 20% attack

[swift mango]

I use neither Libby nor Cindy this CA.

[radiant coral]

This CA you’re gonna wish you used Cindy, and then next CA you will have her and then get paired against Label

[swift mango]

I don't know what you are talking about.

[radiant coral]

[radiant coral]

That single blue line hurts

On the first slot

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Basically him. But blacker. Just blue lock it and wish the best.

Another one in the same situation

My only 2 black ele

[radiant coral]

Rich man

Images that I’m too into poverty to understand

[swift mango]

Keep rolling until 3 you get a 3rd line.

[gritty ridge]

On b.soda that would geniunly kill me

[swift mango]

Blue lock it so you don't waste temp locks

[gritty ridge]

I will eventually

Rn im busy with liberalio

[radiant coral]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-change-spare-some-change-begging-poor-gif-1281766816980485400

[swift mango]

My roster isn't much better and much older account

[radiant coral]

I should just give up and aim for lines that gives me higher combat power

[wild hemlock]

As far as I'm concerned you basically don't need atk/ele OL's on lib to 1 shot in CA. Or at the very least idk how much atk% would make a difference in matchups cause I've yet to see her not 1 shot every team that isn't immune

[radiant coral]

What about noise buffed?

[radiant coral]

She one shot those too?

[radiant coral]

Trina with all the blue lines is painful

[swift mango]

Looking at the smol whale team I'm 100% sure I could kill his Vesti team this time but eh. cant beat it if he lost.

[swift mango]

My strongest b2

@worldly osprey wassup?

[gritty ridge]

My lib wasnt nuking 15% atk ago at 30% deficit

I have no choice but to build 40 atk lib

[worldly osprey]

lately i’ve been insanely unlucky 4 days 0 rock, 2 days 2 rock and 8 days in a row with only 1 rock , and my banner rolls were both late and off-rate. i burned all my gold tickets just to exchange for 3 swa dupes. now i’m way too weak in CA after more than 10 seasons, my cp only went up from 3.4m to 3.7m

[swift mango]

Well, the real challenge is rock roll. Not getting the rock itself.

[swift mango]

The helm and the boots costed me 100+ rocks.

I'm not fixing her gauntlet

Maybe I would try 3 rocks rolls to switch charge dmg to Crit/Crit dmg/ammo.

At least luckier than my Crown I guess

[worldly osprey]

at least you still have rocks. i don’t even have rocks to roll with. nyt, libby, swa, i haven’t rerolled stats on any of them yet

[swift mango]

I have 2 rocks now. I still want 25% Emi. But maybe in Nikke 3.

[wild patio]

lmao cant even stay for 1 hour with this guy

[swift mango]

Start a gem war until one of you having 0 gem.

[wild hemlock]

Noise+Bay dies to Lib

[radiant coral]

[swift mango]

This is my team this CA. Tanky p1-2 on 4/5 teams... But I'm not sure about p3 blanc.
Still my SG team would meet the smol whale Vesti. So auto win. Noir p5, not Rosa.

[gritty ridge]

You see you've gotta make him think youre an insane whale by dropping 30k gems on him

[swift mango]

30kk

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-laugh-greengoblin-greengoblinlaugh-gif-25996189

[gritty ridge]

Wtf is the context of that even

[wild patio]

what annoys me is that this guy keeps monitoring his pvp every 1 hr

[tidal estuary]

i need help with 3 pvp team, my 3 team had out meta for too long 🤣

[swift mango]

That normal when you are still try hard in your year 1

[worldly osprey]

for this run, i’m using the same team you suggested to me last time but i dont have emi so 1 team slower than 2rl

[swift mango]

You could use 2.5-3rl team with Label now.

It's safe in current meta.

Block Scar/Cindy 2rl
Libby, Emi, SW 2rl as well

Also blocking Vesti entire 2nd volley if Noah 3rl

My Label is lacking books so next CA then

[worldly osprey]

now i don’t have any gems or gold tickets left at all. so i will skip her

[swift mango]

Good luck

I'm gonna go with 3rl Label next CA but not now.

If everyone use Label 3rl then I would have chance to bring my ReiT/A.

[worldly osprey]

the ada + nyt + libby trio drained way too many of my gems and gold tickets. ada 420, nyt 180, libby 140 and none of them dropped a single copy and 800 gold tickets for swa 💀

[swift mango]

I would have stopped for a bit and not tried to get dupe if I were you.

[worldly osprey]

[swift mango]

I skipped Christmas banner ofc

[swift mango]

Add Label to wishlist I guess.

[worldly osprey]

im roll 120 and 600 gold tickets for xmaiden

[swift mango]

I rolled 110 pull for xmaid then gave up and ticket her last time. I haven't even used her in CA the last 3 season.

maybe I did but 2 season ago but not sure, not like she did anything good lately to me.

[unique wagon]

What is Label rating as niche as Siren?

[swift mango]

Depend on if 3rl Label became popular in CA. She is harder to counter than siren though. Can could be built to counter Rosa even (whale intensity).

[swift mango]

Or if they released more instant nuke to surpass Scarlet ....

Siren counter many bad team though... And if you built 3rl Label, siren would counter her...

[swift mango]

Should be I think

[coarse lake]

yes

both do specific counters, but fitting into ca is tricky

[worldly osprey]

she’s the only one who doesn’t compete with jack for noise’s link in my team

[swift mango]

Rumani, Anis, Centi

[worldly osprey]

in other team already

[swift mango]

There is virtually no 2rl team that beat 3rl Label+Blanc/Noah right now except the 2 Rei version. And maybe BSoda if they could sacc to 2rl.

All new meta dps burst are delayed.

[coarse lake]

which label team are you even talking about

[swift mango]

Could go with Not-so-slow Cindy. Or Nero team with Label instead of Rapu.

[coarse lake]

the ones I saw just lose to bay and/or noah vesti

[north brook]

Tbh its kinda almost too soon ti evaluate her for ca, need at least a season with her used

[swift mango]

Basically 2rl Noah Vesti/Emi/SW lose to 3rl Noah Vesti/Emi/SW

[coarse lake]

again do you have a label team idea?

the one I know is 3rl blanc/sw/bisc/label/cindy, that loses to bay vesti and noah vesti a lot of the time

[swift mango]

I have but I need to build her first.
@hollow lagoon is using 4rl Cindy with Label this season I guess. But I refer 3rl.

[coarse lake]

is it the slow cindy but label instead of mihara?

[swift mango]

I would likely use Emi/SW

[coarse lake]

that loses to 2rl vesti the same as any slow cindy loses to it, except now you don't have dot prayge in case you indom but don't burst

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

No

I said Emi/SW.

[coarse lake]

so what's the comp

3rl emi/sw? or do you mean also with cindy

then you just kill emi/sw with vesti splash to turn it into a cindy, where you win with bay or a slow enough noah

[swift mango]

It's not hard to build 3rl team

With Emi.

Label buff ATK so very helpful to emi

[heavy lodge]

any help defeating this team?

[coarse lake]

then you just splash kill emi and it's gg anyway

if you don't have a backup b3, rosa can do the job the same

[swift mango]

And she burst instead of Cindy

Could just go with this Emi team but Label instead of Rumani.

[coarse lake]

bay or a slower end noah deals with cindy

[swift mango]

no team is invincible, at least slow Cindy wouldn't lose to Scarlet anymore.

[coarse lake]

you'll need ada higher atk than emi

[heavy lodge]

slow cindy helps but siren kinda stops me from working

[coarse lake]

assuming label is even higher atk than either

otherwise rosa dispels emi and ada, kills both, gg

[swift mango]

Ofc you need to build it. My bracket AHA has zero ATK Emi just so Noise linked instead of her.

[tidal lichen]

invested moran noah helm, slower blanc, helm swha snipe, rosanna

[heavy lodge]

MORAN COME HOME AAAAAAAAAAAAA it'sbeen over a year

[swift mango]

This is to counter Rosa. But Rosa won't beat Biscuit anyway. You win even if Ada burst

[heavy lodge]

im literally about to drop the 2026 new years selector on moran

[coarse lake]

rosa sg? that's so 2025

2rl linked rosa is where it's at

[heavy lodge]

what is the helm swha snipe?

[tidal lichen]

with high enough cs on helm u can snipe before blanc

cuz its not 2rl

[coarse lake]

and it just means siren needs to be more popular

[swift mango]

We don't have enough Burt's gen for that. Need one more.

[coarse lake]

no, I just throw rosa into 2rl scar jack

I label-resisted my scar before label was even a thing

[swift mango]

Now you down one 2rl team

[coarse lake]

I don't find speed very important

haven't used centi or anis in a few seasons now

[swift mango]

Okay you could try absolute. Get more Crit on your Lappy and Vesti

[coarse lake]

and I'm one of those filthy trio runners, so 0 gen on that team

although I need to replace that trash asap at some point

[swift mango]

Rosa link, you don't have the leeway.

[coarse lake]

jack is staying with my scar for eternity, and I like noise noah sw, so vesti only really has trio

[tidal lichen]

like this, can still snipe even if his units are omega invested

[swift mango]

Try to buff it instead.
Build normal mast s2.
Build build Vesti with Crit.
Build Lap/Emi/SW with crit as the 2nd DPS in the team.

The smol whale in my CA without Emi was 4 time champs thanks to that team.

[coarse lake]

yeah I run mast

[heavy lodge]

based

[coarse lake]

works fine ofc, but trio as a core is just too ass, and if I wanna make it actually burst, I use up crucial units

label would have worked well, if only the team could survive nayuta.... it can't

[swift mango]

Ofc we oldie with Emi first encounter it got nuked but we know to build tanky p1 now.

[coarse lake]

my strat vs biscuit is to just crit the blanc to death

but whatever, it's cheap, so I keep using it

low invest too

apparently p1 mast doesn't even need ol to survive sgs if I just have soline to help

[swift mango]

Maybe you didn't met strong enough SG....

[coarse lake]

maybe

but I did also test it in sp while in deficit against 80 sync higher (although 2 of the sg were min invest), and still lived fine

[swift mango]

Even if your Mast SR 15 and tempering, it should still die to 4 SG in 2 salvo

[coarse lake]

I think it's just the multipellet nature that lets it proc repeatedly

not that it matters, it's a lose vs sg anyway, unless they don't run rosa or nayuta

[swift mango]

Soline can proc more than once?

[coarse lake]

in first 6 seconds it procs infinitely really

for each instance, I assume sg pellets count as separate instances

[swift mango]

Wut?

[coarse lake]

basically first 6 sec it has infinite uses, as long as an instance of dmg drops it below 15%

so a vesti hit can prob 1 tap the unit dead if unit was above 15%, but I assume sg pellets are multinstance, so need a single pellet or something to kill them from 15%+

I just haven't seen my units die from sg straight up bc of it

[swift mango]

No wonder I saw many peeps using Soline in CA. Turn out it's to counter SG....

[coarse lake]

if only soline burst healed more or something

[swift mango]

I'm soline bricked anyway

[coarse lake]

then maybe it could live through nayuta

[unique wagon]

Anyone can dm me that link where past CA teams are recorded

[swift mango]

I was trying to get Soline or Maid anchor before I used to selector but tough luck ..

[unique wagon]

@onyx scaffold I think Snake sent you right sorry for ping

[coarse lake]

wait still no manchor?

jesus, you're hardcore pve bricked huh

[swift mango]

I got her from selector so now I'm officially Soline bricked until next year.

[coarse lake]

[swift mango]

Maybe until Nikke 2 as well if more better units come out this year

[coarse lake]

soline is a fairly niche unit tbh, so quite easy to build teams that don't use her

[swift mango]

Ofc but I'm still bricking her

Not like I could use soline absolute. I have zero absolute anyway except vesti

[coarse lake]

oh wow

you're f2p right

that's a lot of pvp potential units you skipped

[swift mango]

I don't get Solo raid only units.

[coarse lake]

trio is pvp only at this point

or ziz for pve if you wanna get technical, maybe a few others

[tidal lichen]

and ziz

[swift mango]

Yeah but not at they came out. And they are still niche anyway

[coarse lake]

but only crazy nutjobs are gonna build emma and eunhwa high enough cp to use there

yeah the comp still sucks, it's cheap that's all

[tidal lichen]

eunwha actually does a lot if boss has parts

[swift mango]

With lots of investment needed to be good. That's why a one year old whale champ 4 time with Vesti when you only once.

[coarse lake]

trio still competes and often loses for t5 spot even with that

trio for pvp is really just skill invest, doll and stuff is whatever

[swift mango]

Crit dmg/Ele/atk on Vesti and maybe lapT

[coarse lake]

maybe get eunhwa higher atk than vesti to take helmt snipe

oh yeah vesti and lapt sure, but not the other 2 bozos of the trio

[swift mango]

Well I just don't have the slot on them. Because I built LapT for CS and CP. Vesti for ATK/CS/Ammo.

Too much rock. But I don't have absolute anyway

[coarse lake]

I gave up on lapt or emi splash to help, fully embracing the blanc 1 shot, can't have them invuln early

[swift mango]

I figured whales or people who doesn't have to CP pad in SpA has more chance at optimizing CA because they don't have to waste rock for padding.

[coarse lake]

yeah that's quite true

[swift mango]

How did that goes for you?

[coarse lake]

well it does work a few times

I have 50% cr in trio

[swift mango]

How much crit on Vesti?

[coarse lake]

if p1 blanc, if I land that 50%, I usually kill, although sometimes I don't, maybe need more dmg

no crit dmg ol

if p2/p3 blanc I actually need to non-crit first, then crit the second hit, so 25% odds

[swift mango]

Crit rate

[coarse lake]

oh I have a black cr line

and I think that's it, the rest from mast and trio, but their skills aren't maxed

[swift mango]

I guess my Vesti is just as good

[coarse lake]

probably

I could use more ele as well, but gonna be expensive to get that 4th one

I have 1 leftover line iirc, a hitrate

[swift mango]

I only have 2

[coarse lake]

oh wait nvm, can't even get ele here

[swift mango]

That doesn't look 16 Ammo. Ofc you don't use her Indom.

[coarse lake]

although I could high roll that line 3 ele tbf

[coarse lake]

yeah I don't

if I want her 16 ammo I actually just give her wingman

which I usually do for pve

too expensive, so not gonna bother

building for both pve and pvp is rough

[swift mango]

I give her wingman for 20.

[swift mango]

Be like @hollow lagoon
His account is just 1 year old

[coarse lake]

meh I don't think blanc deserves sss

[tidal lichen]

real

[coarse lake]

her viability still carried by biscuit or jackal

[tidal lichen]

need vesti for high deficit but also need her for pvp

[unique wagon]

Nah, her viability has been increasing cus slow comps and there are more burst gen helpers nowadays.

[tidal lichen]

[swift mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1459275280991522846/1459587158351286302/IMG_20260110_233751.jpg?ex=696c63b8&is=696b1238&hm=4609e7a2daefca04d8951d4e566473df533e1f2b225d01b970827a7d2d1a7106&

Or like this guy. 10 times champs and top 50 every SR.

[onyx scaffold]

idk about it

[coarse lake]

I see a lot of maxes

[unique wagon]

Truly F2P

[coarse lake]

leviathans don't count, they outspend the problem

[swift mango]

The real F2P.

[coarse lake]

I started whaling for just rock packs recently, and it's still kinda rough

[coarse lake]

eh.. then it depends how much you wanna squish b2

bc yeah blanc still better than bay

[unique wagon]

Blanc is important now. She is essential

It doesnt matter whether she is dependent or not

[coarse lake]

then you can argue nayuta should be moved up

nayuta sg still basically everywhere, and it's by far the best sg ver

then there's the more niche p1 nayuta comps popping up

[unique wagon]

This is my best take (with some lower units going up) but Im still not sure about some like Nero

[unique wagon]

It's CA/SA mix

[swift mango]

RH isn't used a while lot these days.

[unique wagon]

made around CA but with CA-specific units getting penalty

[swift mango]

Label gonna compete with RH for a slow

When enough people invested in her.

[unique wagon]

irreplaceable B1 buffer for SP

[swift mango]

I would say Siren/RH/Label same tier is fair

[swift mango]

Yeah she is stronger buffer than Label I guess. If you were deficit RH still helps.

[unique wagon]

Label is AR though

[swift mango]

But defender so hard to die anyway

Similar gen if RH pierce

[unique wagon]

color me surprised but RH's use rate and winrate is higher than Siren

even in CA 1.5x

ok she dropped in S20

[swift mango]

Yeah, RH still get used lots until recently with SW, Libby, Cindy .etc who doesn't need buffer...

It's getting harder to slot her in.

[unique wagon]

so other than RH whats other feedback

[swift mango]

Soda Scarlet is still better than RH Scarlet if your scarlet is invested

[coarse lake]

imo maiden drops

in most teams she's just glorified decent burst gen, but ever since lapt got that gen buff... eh

[swift mango]

How about only Bay treasure move up? Idk... That heal is important sometime.

[unique wagon]

Her winrate is extremely high and also use rate

[coarse lake]

in what, noise vesti bay?

[swift mango]

Well she is used as counter SG tech. That sometime work, sometime don't

[coarse lake]

in most teams she's glorified copium backup against rosa snipe, except she gets stuck on nayuta anyway

[unique wagon]

She is used as glorified burst gen but I think her being a Defender has an impact

Her being a B3 defender means no Rosa aggro

[swift mango]

Nayuta only last to 9s. Maiden with Blanc lasted to 13sec

[coarse lake]

who running maiden with blanc

[unique wagon]

this backup is important

highest winrate is with Blanc but there is one without

(with Bay)

[swift mango]

It's more about Noise link counter SG. Xmaid only there so as to not steal the link. In this team Bay healing helps

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit hey,this is the guy from yesterday. The first team will for sure win but he changed his 2nd and 3rd team. Help please

[unique wagon]

Is it THAT impactful

ig ure right

ok then

[swift mango]

Well, Noise+Bay+Jackal.
Bay heal helps quite a bit to survive against Vesti/SG

I'm using Bay with Nero to hela nero

[coarse lake]

why is noir higher tier than the other sgs again

[swift mango]

Rosa buffer

Make SG hit harder

[coarse lake]

eh...

[swift mango]

On their early volley

[coarse lake]

I would consider draket and bsoda burst being more impactful

also why is maiden even in the same group

a lot of sg comps just replace noir for sugar

[warm monolith]

Youre,my guy win yourself a

[swift mango]

Maybe cause you didn't have your P5 killed in 0.5rl before

[coarse lake]

that would be sugar diff, not noir diff

noir is like 1 ol line

[swift mango]

What's sugar

[coarse lake]

anti-elec

[warm monolith]

Prydwen literally made the last treasures the same tier as the base units.

Literally no thought behind that

[coarse lake]

well ig draket is same tier as noir, that's fine, didn't see that

but bsoda burst if built and esp in nayuta comp is still better than draket imo

it can straight up 1 shot cindies and biscuits

[unique wagon]

and this is for the remaining tiers (I dont care about other units that dont get used)

[swift mango]

The p5 in question was max dolled Centi. I killed and got her killed in 1rl before. But 0.5rl happened too

[coarse lake]

so what about p1/p5 noise, isn't killing that more important than centi

sugar and bsoda do that role

[swift mango]

Move soda 1 more tier. And Euhwa+Emma should always be in the same tier for Arena

Okay maybe not soda

[unique wagon]

Nah. TEunhwa can be used without Emma.

kinda cope but

[coarse lake]

first I've heard of that

[swift mango]

Same to Emma without Euhwa as Rosa sacc. But they only meta useful together.

[warm monolith]

Cant we like suggest this to prydwen?

[coarse lake]

he is mr prydwen

[unique wagon]

Fine I make her appear in both A and B jk

[coarse lake]

mihara goes up

[unique wagon]

Much better

[warm monolith]

@unique wagon make Bay SS tier and my life is yours

[coarse lake]

don't put her in same tier as some of the trash there like maiden and alice

[unique wagon]

Check prev screenshot

[unique wagon]

What do I get

[warm monolith]

5 turkish lira

[coarse lake]

I think mast goes up bc of trio

and those running max counter dmg scar

polit for those idiots still running non-nayuta sg

esp considering bade and nihil are higher tier than her wtf

[unique wagon]

Good point but why is she preferred over lets say Flora or Crown

cus crit RNG is just more fun?

[coarse lake]

crit gamba

[swift mango]

Xmaiden

[coarse lake]

I don't think flora or crown trio without crit can kill blanc 1 shot

crit is a huge multiplier since trio already gives a bunch, and mast also gives the cd

plus flora and crown are already dimished by existing atk dmg from trio

[swift mango]

Crit is high value in Arena. If you had enough investment (unlike Agent) you could get close to 70% crit with Vesti.

[coarse lake]

[unique wagon]

oh ye forgot about Poli

[coarse lake]

yeah you should be able to get to like 75% crit maxing every source of cr

[unique wagon]

Shud Poli be increased?

[coarse lake]

polit yes imo, why is bade and nihil higher

[swift mango]

No. She is last year new

[unique wagon]

How about MastRomanticMaid ok nvm

[coarse lake]

no

[swift mango]

Yeah, should be higher than them I guess

[unique wagon]

why not

[coarse lake]

her atk buff is too late I think

[swift mango]

She could be useful but far in the future when we have more burst gen

[coarse lake]

oh wait ig not

[swift mango]

And crit cube or sth. But not now

[unique wagon]

Questioning these rn

[coarse lake]

should be in time for rosa snipe I suppose, but uh... how you fitting mmast into rosa sg or rosa scar jack

won't buff trio or sg meaningfully

flora, both masts, both polis can prob move up ngl, looking at the other trash they're surrounded by

[swift mango]

Soda+Drake+Noir+maybeViper should be higher tier than the rest of the SG

[coarse lake]

maybe dieselt too? idk never saw her used, should be better than those at least

[unique wagon]

Which Soda

[swift mango]

B.Soda nuke is actually useful now thanks to nayuta

[unique wagon]

Bro this is an extension of old screenshot

[swift mango]

Drake is the one that get less use in place of Viper for sacc.

B.Soda+Noir mainly in Nayuta SG team then Drake or Viper.

[unique wagon]

Why does diesel treasure not work

[coarse lake]

idk, on paper seems decent

also prob too few even got her treasure

but you should be able to make her work, esp against some sp def teams

unlike the other trash in that tier

[swift mango]

Staying alive alone doesn't do much in this Meta. No one use RH/Alice burst anymore

[coarse lake]

I think you can do some diesel nayuta shit to share heals

burst gen is gonna be ass tho

well I see potential at least, can't be said for units like srosa and crust (who doesn't function at all iirc) and delta

[unique wagon]

Which Viper stays

[swift mango]

Treasure ofc. She ensure Nayuta and BSoda always burst

[coarse lake]

yeah uh, crust should just be a tiny atk dmg bot

since she can't get either state in pvp due to auto

[unique wagon]

non treasure can go down?

[swift mango]

Ofc

[unique wagon]

Doesnt her being treasure add 0.5 delay?

[swift mango]

Not if she died. Against slow Cindy, the delay doesn't matter.... And she also died faster to Cindy anyway

[coarse lake]

I do like non-treasure viper personally, I would run non-p1 viper so that she sacs faster vs scar

so I can get 2 sacs asap for my snipe before rosa dies

but treasure would do the same thing in that spot, except the extra bulk which I didn't actually want

but most don't do that, most run p1 vipert

then die to scar bc they can't get reliable second sac

[coarse lake]

with raven I have seen a few niche comps with raven, iirc her burst is passable in pvp actually

[glad meteor]

ada buffs are awesome

My vesti can’t kill Moran on level diff without ada buff when indom

[unique wagon]

maybe Makima stayts A?

[coarse lake]

yeah tbh, ada seeing more use these days

esp to buff vesti and sw

idk, ask someone who's in a bracket with her

I remember I cooked up a really good comp a while back that needed makima, forgot what it is, prob not very good nowadays

[swift mango]

Delta was hidden meta in the few first season of CA.

[coarse lake]

surely we don't count bugs

[swift mango]

It was function as intended for years.

[unique wagon]

Is Lappu still used

[coarse lake]

regular? no idea, who didn't treasure her

prob not

isn't she just regular rl or something

with shit dmg

[swift mango]

This

[coarse lake]

I don't even remember her regular kit

yeah shit dmg, needed last bullet for the proc

[swift mango]

She had a bug that wiped her own team

That was the only time she was used I guess

[coarse lake]

lapt still good, esp after the gen buff

[swift mango]

On the other hand, both Lappy version in Arknight are still meta. Whether it's first year or limited banner.

[unique wagon]

S or SS according to you

[swift mango]

LapT should be SS. No reason lower than Centi or Rumani.

[unique wagon]

Centi lowered

[swift mango]

LapT can be emergency burst 3. And help as off burst dmg that kill before burst (investment sensitive)

She is also hit faster than Rumani/Centi at same CS. SR speed

[unique wagon]

Ok

[unique wagon]

what do you think of makima

[swift mango]

I want her rerun.
But yeah, no meta usage these days.

[unique wagon]

I will interpret that as
A
But not used

[swift mango]

Nayuta basically take her place in any possible team

[unique wagon]

I need opinions on Nero too. And Mihara go to S right?

[swift mango]

Idk about Midhara. She isn't essential in slow Cindy. Some people used Siren and now Label also good.

[unique wagon]

Does BAde atk buff trigger on offbusrt

[tulip quest]

Laplace yea

[unique wagon]

Cindy is SS
S is Ada Wong, SAnis (hmm maybe I shud demote her more)
A is Clip SGs

[swift mango]

Just use Noir instead

[swift mango]

Nero got some new shine last CA with SW. She is still contenders for Champ every CA anyway.

[unique wagon]

SAnis S or A

Use this as reference

[tulip quest]

We rarely see SAnis in SPA nowadays

[gaunt pulsar]

assuming his blanc isn't linked and he doesn't have siren resistance, check cp with this and put either lib or swha at p2 depending on who has lower total hp