pvp-arena

[swift mango]

Top 1 in global is 30b

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• scarlet emilia liter alice noah
• crown anis rh viper RRH
• jackal s.anis blanc trina drake

Rookie

• auto (highest CP team available)

Notes

• treasure helmT
• build utilities (noah, jackal, noise, blanc, trina, noise)
• wishlist/build rumani, centi
• build/wishlist core pvp B3s (vestiTU, SWHA... get cindy built)

[wise horizon]

Don’t have vestiTU invested yet. Alternative?

[gray socket]

Ty.

[tropic summit]

post your box

[gray socket]

Regular anis?

Nvm

It's in position 3

[tropic summit]

yes regular anis, clip RL burst gen unit, or so called battery

you using anis in p2 in T2 for that purpose
s.anis is in T3 indommed

[gray socket]

Alright, I'll get some core data's and upgrade my synchro.

That's only my priority

[tropic summit]

your priority is finishing campaign team

push hard mode, get more outpost lvls, then use boxes gradually

[gray socket]

Yep

[shell hazel]

then Priscilla gets released 🤩

[gray socket]

I also have most SSR teams but I didn't use synchro expansions

[tropic summit]

highly recommend getting recommendations on how to min/max and rescue this account from #questions , you're in for a bad time though, i'll be honest

it might be actually worth considering starting from scratch on anni depending on how serious you are

if you wanna stay casual, anything will do so don't worry in that case

[gray socket]

Alright, will do hard mode. Didn't play this game for a long time.

@tropic summit yep, thats why i am starting to get outpost levels.

[shell hazel]

I think best to stay casual no need to worry too much about the pvp then

also if you start over you'd lose Emi

and as Emi fan that isn't right

[junior zephyr]

Is this team good enough or should I put Label in?

[shell hazel]

even if you start over if you're not a min/maxer with good efficiency you can eventually drop behind again and just wind up in the same boat
become shooting range main instead

[glad meteor]

Its good enough

Going against scar and cindy is 2/5 chance kinda

Though some people dont run cindy

[junior zephyr]

Ty guess I will keep this then

[light saddle]

Okay so one question.. if i asked you guys to help me make 3 teams for sp arena would yall do that or is it too much effort to look at my whole roster?

[tropic summit]

it's not, post your box

in this format: #pvp-arena message
4 pics max

[light saddle]

Nice but whats the best way to show it?

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[light saddle]

Ahh

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/floppa-big-cat-long-cat-gif-17528503

list form

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/quite-big

[shell hazel]

big or long? 😮

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/smug-cheer

[hollow lagoon]

For u

[light saddle]

It ain't much but its my honest box. So if anyone could help me make 3 teams with this and maybe a recommendation what i really need to get I'd kiss your pixel name

[hollow lagoon]

Ngl

Brah with that list

Better to pve for a bit

[light saddle]

I pretty much pushed almost to limit in pve, i can do 50% deficit haha but my sp team is jank

[hollow lagoon]

Ye ain’t even got Blanc, even @tropic summit can’t save u

[light saddle]

Well can anyone just make me a suggestion for what i have now

[upper grove]

Does anyone want to cook some CA teams? I have no cs investments though

[hollow lagoon]

Not enough defenders to abuse biscuit either

[shell hazel]

we got a snow white and a vesti at least it wouldn't be fatal

build 2 teams if possible and 1 cp pad

[shell hazel]

if you join union with me zanta lynk and nd972

[light saddle]

👉🏼👈🏼 2 teams would be nice too

[hollow lagoon]

He can nuke but he can’t live counter nuke

Is the problem

[upper grove]

Nah sorry I like my current one

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

U can give my list a go, rail said it’s okay

[shell hazel]

on this occasion I am not posting my teams ahead of CA because it's my own cook and I want to see how it does in isolation

zanta has seen it but please don't post it here for now 🙂

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi vestiTU rh drake
• jackal RRH brid laplace Lib
• crown biscuit SWHA liter anchorIM

Notes

• treasure helmT
• build up/wishlist utilities (biscuit, centi, rumani, trina, jackal, noah, blanc, noise)

[shell hazel]

I'll post it after we start

[upper grove]

Can I replace Mana with someone else?

[hollow lagoon]

Lap to to p5 soline to p4

[upper grove]

Fsoline right

[hollow lagoon]

Ye

[upper grove]

I can do that, thanks

[light saddle]

Woah what, okay are you always making chef dishes out of trash? Thank you LOL

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-rice-fried-rice-gif-15126117275146411567

[tropic summit]

i've actually seen worse

[shell hazel]

actual footage of rail ^

[hollow lagoon]

Help Blanc (non guarantee) live if vesti splashed

[light saddle]

Damn i wont comment on that but i appreciate you helping with my jank dude

[cursive storm]

Guys, is Label created for PvP?

[tropic summit]

for attacking she directly counters scarlet and cindy 2RL
for defending she can be bypassed/dealt with

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit do u think this is superior to the mana version?btw need 8% vesti cs and or 15% last cs

[tropic summit]

hmmm resistant to a few more things, yes

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit remember yesterday i said the first guy was 500+,actually he was almost 600 with 1.700bil cp average.🥲

Oh and your team worked,thanks

[tropic summit]

[warm monolith]

THE SECOND GUY IS 625 WITH 1.8Bil

Sorry 1.9bil*

[tropic summit]

they spend the same amount of money you spent on bayT but on all of their units

[light saddle]

Just one thing chef cook, i dont have jackal, what could i use instead?

[warm monolith]

Nah,he is lvl 625 but im merely 451

Almost 200 lvl diff

[tropic summit]

wishlist her and run a w/e team instead until you've her

[upper grove]

I'll let you know how far I get

[hollow lagoon]

Ur running a superior version of my set I’m doing a weirder one

[light saddle]

Since i dont have much pvp units, should i get label?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/cursed-dean-winchester-jensen-ackles-supernatural-spell-gif-20357067

[upper grove]

Btw is there a reason why noir is p1 in SG

[hollow lagoon]

It would help u cheese scarlet comps when u attack personal opinion is yes

[hollow lagoon]

Die for the greater good (rosana sac)

[upper grove]

[hollow lagoon]

My origional plan was to sac even faster with sucide scarlet

I also tried Emma sac

idk if worse

Honestly donno

[upper grove]

It's whatever I'll just yolo with your teams

[hollow lagoon]

I usually make to top 16 for my own bracket

[light saddle]

So does it matter what her teammates are when i attack?

[upper grove]

I either don't make it out of groups or get lucky t32, 16 at most. considering I don't invest for CA just for SP it's fine

even by copying winner teams from my bracket

[hollow lagoon]

But this set is a bit on the experimental side I would say 4/10 in the crazy’s, my own set would be 6/10 , if u swap Swha and HelmT u would have my set, if u want to go crazier for the 7/10 cursed experience replace noise with rapunzel

[hollow lagoon]

Yes and no u want prob biscuit and some counter nuke or sustain

[upper grove]

guess I'll stick with the current version

[hollow lagoon]

For the 10/10 change noir for scarlet

On top of the 7/10 crazies

[light saddle]

So in general is label a good pvp unit or just a counter to another unit

[hollow lagoon]

Idk I think she can be used to cheese storm bringer on deficit as well

[light saddle]

[hollow lagoon]

Team lives till part break and then down hill from there

Down hill for the boss that is

[eager brook]

Where does Label fit in terms of rate of burst gauge generation assuming she has her burst gauge generation buff on?

[eager brook]

Thanks, that's meh

[swift mango]

I'm too lazy to rebuild my teams.

Maybe I will just use my team that I built a few days ago.

[ancient sun]

What is overall verdict on Label so far? CA and attack unit mostly?

[hollow lagoon]

Ca didn’t happen yet so no clue

[ancient sun]

People hoped that she is gonna be as survivable as Moran but oh well

[hollow lagoon]

If u want my personal experience

If opponent deals 1 damage to me

That 1 damage is reduced by 60-70%

And game still makes me take 1 damage

So she’s useless

[tropic summit]

welcome aboard, been like that for over 20 seasons

[ancient sun]

What kind of CP deficit we are talking about?

[tropic summit]

yes situational unit

[tropic summit]

just ignore him, his wallet is bigger than his bedroom

[ancient sun]

Noted. Have a nice day

[hollow lagoon]

My wallet bought my bed room so technically true

Still I really need to cut down spending it’s getting way to scary

I need another hobby

[tropic summit]

get grills to cosplay nikke for you

https://klipy.com/gifs/same-different-1

[hollow lagoon]

Grills cost more than nikkes

[ancient sun]

Btw how to deal with Cindy, Rumani, Buscuit, Mihara variants? As I understand once I kill Mihara it’s game over

[tropic summit]

lib with sustain

[hollow lagoon]

Lib nuke with noise heal

[tropic summit]

example

[hollow lagoon]

Back to p5 Mihara for trying something new

[ancient sun]

So basically enough heal to survive but why lib nuke? Wouldnt biscuit invuln be still active?

Or is it to avoid invuln from triggering in the first place?

[hollow lagoon]

No trigger if 1 slammed

[tropic summit]

1hitko prevent biscuit from casting invulnerability on targets

it's also easier to lib because she barely needs buffs to be lethal

plus has self burst gen

[ancient sun]

Oh that’s smart. Basically you dont want to deal dmg at all untill Lib nukes

[tropic summit]

sort of

[hollow lagoon]

Also cuz if the label version Cindy works then scarlet nuke is dead

[tropic summit]

you can still procc invulrb on blanc and rumani, DoT is mitigated by noise taunt + HP and DoT heal

so even assuming you gotta tank it for 10s, you'll be fine

[hollow lagoon]

My scar set died last ca to Mihara

Rail I think imma become scar sac over Emma sac

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/shame-bell-2

[hollow lagoon]

[noble hatch]

Holy people do loving Label

[ancient sun]

I am getting THelm finally closed next week. And then I am gonna wait to see what new treasures have to offer.

But if we dont get anything groundbreaking, I am struggling with into who I should invest into. I am trying to push campaign as much as possible so I didn’t want to invest into PvP unit at PvE detriment. Option that balances both PvE and PvP would be the best

[hollow lagoon]

We kissed “in my imagination”

[hollow lagoon]

T helm IS ground breaking tho

[ancient sun]

I know man. She is goated

[hollow lagoon]

Just invest units that does both PvP pve

[ancient sun]

[hollow lagoon]

Swha lib Cindy Thelm DrakeT

Nayuta

The occasional Siren

[ancient sun]

I mean fav item

[hollow lagoon]

Then dab a bit into defensiveanlike jackal balanc biscuit Noah

The only favor items that matters for PvP are helmT and Laplace, and LapT have alternatives

[ancient sun]

I got very lucky to join in 3rd anni because all those units I got are good in PvP

[hollow lagoon]

Oh wait

BayT as well but bay is useable without favor item

[tropic summit]

indom vestiTU 2RL

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit swha helmt rumani

[tropic summit]

scarlet trina rh 2RL

[surreal citrus]

I dont have vesti OL

[tropic summit]

bench this one

[tropic summit]

too slow

[surreal citrus]

Yeahhh that one was a scrap team

I'm out of RL

[tropic summit]

1. take away SWHA from moran noah, use a clip RL instead
2. team is decent but lib is way too situational
3. siren weak, SBS indom is also on the weaker side
4. too slow, remake with SWHA available
5. scarlet is weak to a lot of things, reconsider rosanna for an SG team or early pressure team instead

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-if-death-gif-23334862

[surreal citrus]

Bay has fi if that matters at all

So does laplace

[hollow lagoon]

Bay fi would replace anchor

[surreal citrus]

Ok, so is that good for team 1?

I feel like missing dps

Anis has OL lmao

[hollow lagoon]

For defense?

[surreal citrus]

For CA

[hollow lagoon]

Oh standard 2 cycle prob good

[surreal citrus]

Does that mean this deck survives for 2 rounds of bursts?

I guess helm can heal

[hollow lagoon]

It try’s to live to second burst round

[surreal citrus]

How do i set up a SG team in pvp?

[hollow lagoon]

A lot of meta teams run it but it’s dated in my personal book but I’m not about to teach u the cursed stuff u prob don’t have pieces anyway

[surreal citrus]

Im guessing drake

[hollow lagoon]

Noir Nayuta Bsoda rosana drakeT

Likely In that order

And if ur missing a sg for some reason replace p1 with naked Emma/deltaninja/scarlet no investment needed

Does base gulliotine also sucide?

Oh she does but too slow

[surreal citrus]

I crave the void

Give it to me anyway

[hollow lagoon]

Yes? You called?

[hollow lagoon]

No clue if this team good but it’s the team I rolling with

[surreal citrus]

So is sw supposed to just supply burst Gen or is she bursting?

[hollow lagoon]

Def stack Snow White and Moran on life leech

Snow White burst

So she get Ada’s life leech buff

And she self stack def up

[surreal citrus]

Ahh

[hollow lagoon]

Moran also leech and get tank buff from Trina

Noah buffs whole team with def

U have a tanky 10 seconds team with sustain post Noah’s 3 sec

No clue if it work good but yolo is yolo

[brave silo]

If there any for the special arena?

[hollow lagoon]

Damage is prob enough, attack boosted sw from Ada and Ada side dps with true damage proc anyway

[versed mesa]

I think my luck has ran out. Out of the 3 opponents for top 3 in SP arena, now even the guy who I used to be able to just swap C1 and C4 with, who never used gems, I just went to look and in my Rookie arena he just spent 400 gems to push me down. I doubt he would do that and then not be willing to use gems in SP too

[hollow lagoon]

I didn’t check mine yet

League ain’t even up

Oh you are talking about spa

[versed mesa]

Lol I always talk about SP arena, it is the only thing I care about

He has now used 800 gems in Rookie arena to push me down. I don't understand.

Been in the same group for both Rookie and SP since the last shuffle, he has only used gems one time before this

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/starcraft-hatred-artanis-amon-blizzard-gif-18151834

[austere obsidian]

is there a way to see all of your atk and def teams in one glance?

[lunar pawn]

40min left

Someone send me their OP setups for this season

[shell hazel]

who cares? it's rookie

if they want to waste gems on literally nothing that's on them

[versed mesa]

I know, but they are in my SP group too, so if they suddenly are willing to burn gems in Rookie, why would they then not do the same there?

[covert lintel]

I have a draft team
Do you want it?

[tropic summit]

5x5 crow

[shell hazel]

if they want to earn less gems by gemming then that is also on them

[covert lintel]

Nah, it's a stun festival

[tropic summit]

T1 siren
T2 soda
T3 rapunzel
T4 privaty
T5 who am i missing

[shell hazel]

stun-fest 😄

[shell hazel]

well t5 label she can stun herself

[versed mesa]

True. Oh well, got a top 3 for each season post shuffle, I guess one 4th won't kill me, still 2700 gems in the bag

If I still have the same 3 opponents vying for top 3 after the next shuffle, or worse 1 or 2 even worse opponents get put in I'm giving up

[swift mango]

Yeah, I'm using teams I built a few days ago. Label wasn't built enough for my taste

[lunar pawn]

just saw this

[swift mango]

[shut seal]

Any suggested counter to Swol White-Blanc-Ice Maiden-THelm-Jackal in rookie if CP is about equal?

[drifting schooner]

the rule to any blanc counter is just a slower blanc with survivability

[swift mango]

Slow cindy

[drifting schooner]

so hows label looking?

[swift mango]

Like this

[lunar pawn]

can label block the entirety of cindy's nuke at 2RL?

[shut seal]

Slower with survivability... so like Noise-Noah-Cindy-Rumani-...uh Red Hood?

[shell hazel]

I either cooked or I'll get cooked, we'll see lol

[lunar pawn]

[lunar pawn]

nice

[shell hazel]

pepper cope team 3 lol

that team is slightly slower than 2RL it's like 2.1 ish

1/2/4 should be native 2RL unless someone dies

[cedar sorrel]

Shes good right

[shell hazel]

ye

[cedar sorrel]

What levels for her skills?

[shell hazel]

4/4/4 is ok

she's mostly b1 burst gen

[cedar sorrel]

I see I see

[lusty gull]

you get the jackpot group number @onyx scaffold

[dim escarp]

22 for me

gl king

[shell hazel]

I'll need it 😄

my only team weak to scarlet (team 1) is facing two scarlet teams in quals lol

[dim escarp]

this CA I couldn't put blanc in any team lmao

[onyx scaffold]

tbh this scares me. im checking

[onyx scaffold]

wtf jackpot indeed but i dont have nayuta in p5

it means im countered by everyone using nayuta p5

actually i still prefer this
many teams of mine are so weak against shotgun

[wind kelp]

Welp, it's what i went with. Woke up late, rush, so had to just wing it. See how it goes, probably ends at premi. Good old "No thought, only pew" approach.

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit what do you think of my cursed cook? I'm learning from Zanta #pvp-arena message
the teams #pvp-arena message

[hybrid fox]

fellas
dont u tihnk its cruel for us to send Label, la ultra neet to pvp , which in lore is full of audiences from tetra kek
it might be better for us to send her to surface to fight raptures

[onyx scaffold]

i put scar on team 2
and i have seen many label there

[scarlet adder]

why people run emma in absolute comp in p2, if she taunts? so sure they will kill enemy before burst that they don't care?

[lunar pawn]

no labels in my group

if they're running absolute they're committed to a kill before burst

[scarlet adder]

so they really don't care for that potential extra burst for RLs

[fair pivot]

Label on my Scar, it's ogre

[gaunt pulsar]

in full absolute comp she doesn't taunt at all

[covert lintel]

Isn't full rl like lap+, emi, vesti, bay, rumani enough?
P2 blanc would die within 1-2rl anyway

[tropic summit]

kinda weird but also has potential, you're getting both very creative

[gritty ridge]

Morning rail

[shell hazel]

I wanted 4 x 2RL teams but hard to reach. also one is naturally not really got any AOE def :9

[gritty ridge]

Morning hippo

[shell hazel]

afternoon Bigboi

[gritty ridge]

4 "natural" 2rl or 3 2rl +sg

[shell hazel]

yeah check my teams it's pretty close

[gritty ridge]

That... didnt answer my question

Ill look tho

[shell hazel]

what question

[covert lintel]

Why did you remove scar
Who else countering sg then

[shell hazel]

they counter themselves

[gritty ridge]

Scar doesnt counter sg silly

[gritty ridge]

Whether youre trying 4 natural 2rl or 3 2rl + sg

[shell hazel]

I was trying for 4 x natural 2RL and 5th one on SG + ros comp

[gritty ridge]

Its certainly interesting

[shell hazel]

it may not be good but I figure I went out last 2 CA in quals lol can't get worse 😄

[gritty ridge]

Im not even in this CA

[shell hazel]

[placid bloom]

welcome to retirement home

[gritty ridge]

No im back in next CA wdym

[umbral crown]

@tropic summit im gonna avenge you along with @glad meteor

Cook this season looks promising

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/mfg-raceday-its-race-day-pr-drift-gif-18370749170714712756

Last ep was peak, i was screaming like a fangurl

[shell hazel]

damnit I need to start the new MF ghost

amongst others

[umbral crown]

Also hippo, have to teach the same leason to asia again

[umbral crown]

Initial D you mean

[shell hazel]

when did you join asia Rosy? 😮

https://tenor.com/view/asus-msi-obi-wan-sith-destroy-gif-18039908123598928186

[umbral crown]

When i was in top 8 last season

Is the winner cooking?

You know whars funny, my team 3 is 2 RL libe

[shell hazel]

interesting cooks anyway haha

did you see mine Rosy?

[umbral crown]

No yet

[covert lintel]

I'll spill my kekw cook for you

[umbral crown]

I shared my cook in prydem ser er

[umbral crown]

Show

[shell hazel]

this links both#pvp-arena message

you so close to 5 x 2RL 😄

pepper cope too I like it

[tropic summit]

wows

go get em i guess, although i don't really care

[shell hazel]

noise + anchor hp buffs = chad units? 😄

https://tenor.com/view/draco-malfoy-harry-potter-mewing-mew-slytherin-gif-8263298459687914233

[umbral crown]

I will carry your will, trust

[tropic summit]

trust the process [c] Rosy

[covert lintel]

That's why i asked if there is an offburst def buffer yesterday

[umbral crown]

@shell hazel this the cook that has the chance to carry Rails will

[tropic summit]

le absoluteeeee

[tropic summit]

the kitchen has spicy ingredients this time

https://klipy.com/gifs/castorice-honkai-star-rail-7

[umbral crown]

Was about time to do some real cook

[shell hazel]

we need more def units, more spicy cooks

[umbral crown]

Also T1 wins against standar vesti indom

[tropic summit]

meanwhile my cook:

• move T3 to T5
• move T5 to T3

https://klipy.com/gifs/onimai-anime-sleep

[umbral crown]

But but...

This is your season, we can fight in finals

[covert lintel]

Noise scar trina
Will they survive?

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/shrek-some-of-you-may-die-but-thats-a-sacrifice-im-willing-to-make-lord-farquaad

[shell hazel]

lots of changes

[tropic summit]

a whole 5 seconds of my time

wow we goin' be rich

<@&946725432554836008>

[shell hazel]

my chance at riches.. gone!

[umbral crown]

Yes, last season till top 4 team never lost

[gritty ridge]

Whe have specific mod tags?

[shell hazel]

get rich = engoldedhippos

[gritty ridge]

Lmao

[shell hazel]

I'll just have to wait for the ads to come back

can't miss my chance for ez money

[gritty ridge]

I need my mr beast dollars

[tropic summit]

damn didn't know hippo was a businessman

[shell hazel]

the best, every opportunity I see, I take it, no matter how too good to be true it is

[sharp lagoon]

I’m cooked again

[shell hazel]

bot-chan!

[sharp lagoon]

This is unfair

[noble python]

Challenger 3 defenses

[glad meteor]

[gritty ridge]

Brother let me in your bracket please

[noble python]

Lmao

[gritty ridge]

Shuffle is after reset, lemme in

Im lower sync than your c3 its fair

[noble python]

What Sync?

[gritty ridge]

336

[noble python]

You higher than me lol

[gritty ridge]

Thats ok

[covert lintel]

https://x.com/Chikasada_Kato/status/2011706647790698733?s=20
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[noble python]

Just don’t try to think about taking Challenger 2/1 those guys are 394 Sync and 409 Sync lmao

[gritty ridge]

That sounds like my bracket lmao

[noble python]

What your ign?

[gritty ridge]

Bigboi57

[noble python]

Just need help making some teams to beat them

[noble python]

Ah yeah your not in my bracket

[gritty ridge]

Not yet

Scar siren t2 indom vesti t3

Should work

Scar siren as in scar trina siren flex jackal

[noble python]

Neither worked

[gritty ridge]

Hmmm, what was your indom vesti team?

[noble python]

Rosanna, Rumani, VestiTU, Blanc, Centi

[tropic summit]

there's a rosanna there

[gritty ridge]

You should be fast enough regardless of rosa

Scar is in p1

[tropic summit]

all enemy teams are 2RL

[gritty ridge]

Thats an interesting team

[tropic summit]

they all counter scarlet

[gritty ridge]

Tahts why I said scar siren

Stun noah and nuke

[tropic summit]

scar siren dies to rosanna

[gritty ridge]

Anyways, please address the indom vesti team they sent

[tropic summit]

@noble python show CP with these

run T2 in shooting range and check rosanna is linked

T1 cubes

noah quantum (2RL)
biscuit vigor
vestiTU any
centi quantum (2RL)
rapunzel vigor

@gritty ridge additionally you can now counter rosanna by revealing her with SWHA and sniping her with rosanna

as long as she's not linked

[gritty ridge]

I just dont see how rosa doesnt sewerslide to scar counters before burst

[tropic summit]

2RL rosanna against 2RL scarlet is direct counter to scarlet, assuming she retains lethal

which seems to be what happened to marin

also you didn't check her CP

[gritty ridge]

Kids these days and not having 50 atk scar

[tropic summit]

do not ever assume ppl box are as well built as yours when building

[gritty ridge]

But yeah, I should've checked cp

[tropic summit]

even more so when she's clearly lower synchro than opponent who's spender

[gritty ridge]

I made a mistake

[tropic summit]

aye

the idea wasn't wrong per se, but you went in without info

[gritty ridge]

Yeap

[tropic summit]

and marin has the bad habit to NOT give you any info

so it's not just your fault

[fathom rock]

label useless against slow cind........

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[tropic summit]

5 seconds or cya

[gritty ridge]

Rail rate this team

[tropic summit]

situational

[gritty ridge]

CA

[tropic summit]

eh what are you planning it to encounter

[shell hazel]

winners counter-scar 😮

[gritty ridge]

Scar, maybe label

Its a big kid bracket idk what goes on up there

[tropic summit]

if they've a 2RL without feed that team is at best 2.5RL btw

kinda iffy scarlet

[gritty ridge]

You only need 3 feed

[tropic summit]

considered you're wasting helmt and jackal on that too

and blanc... yeah no bench it

so expensive for so little gain

[gritty ridge]

I made sure the other teams had their bases covered

Nayuta slow cindy etc

[tropic summit]

well i'm not one to tell you to absolutely not run it

but i'll tell you, you're wasting 3 core units from 3 different teams for a scarlet 2.5RL without feed

[gritty ridge]

What if, quantum on jackal and scar

[tropic summit]

ye i guess that reduces the odds

1% or 2% you're gold

[gritty ridge]

Oh I was basing it off of mana

Label is a bit slower than I thought

[tropic summit]

this is okish

2.5% to 2RL is a given, any enemy has at least 3%ish

but uh... bench it

[gritty ridge]

Rail what abt this

[tropic summit]

le miranda waifu appears

ye that's good, good synergy and good lethal

[heavy hearth]

Has there been a lot of testing with label yet? Only useful for attacking 2RL Cindy and scarlet that aren’t running Rosanna?

[tropic summit]

rosanna only targets 2 units, so it's mitigated at best

for the most part you're correct, she's a situational on attack unit

if set on def, opponent can work around her

keep in mind most experienced players won't be running scarlet or cindy 2RL on def anymore

so at that point she's kinda out of a job if not just a flex B1

[heavy hearth]

Yeah I haven’t seen too much of that these days. Good one less unit to build

[gaunt pulsar]

doesn't seem like my bracket pulled for her, even if they did it would be hard to match sync with unbuild one

[tropic summit]

doubt ppl in ur bracket needs label to deal with scarlet anymore

any experienced player already had the tools to clear that

bay 4/4/4 is all you need most of the time

[worthy knoll]

Yet not a single crit happened.. can prolly just use link Liter or Label and still be the same

[shell hazel]

miranda moral support

[tropic summit]

miranda is his waifu

passively increases win ratio

[hollow lagoon]

Sucide rosana without rosana?

[gritty ridge]

The crit was blocked by noah, the followup killed

[tropic summit]

sometimes he's more cursed than you are

[worthy knoll]

Was kinda expecting the followups crit too

[tropic summit]

the man was cooking indom bready back in the days afterall

[gaunt pulsar]

yea wouldn't call people in my bracket the most experienced, but they still use scar there, it's indeed not like she is the problem though, there enough tools to deal with her already

[hollow lagoon]

[worthy knoll]

Sadly it does not

[hollow lagoon]

I’m cursed I don’t claim to be most cursed

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/homer-homer-simpson-6xi

[gritty ridge]

I just be putting shit in a pot

Stir it up, pour out a team

[tropic summit]

you were a believer

a man with a dream

[gritty ridge]

That team counters rosa

[tropic summit]

...until you met 38% deficit whel

it hits even harder when you're "f2p" yourself

[gritty ridge]

I love 38% deficit whales

Also label is 100% a whale unit

[hollow lagoon]

Can I even gap @gritty ridge By 38

[tropic summit]

anything that makes a team harder to kill, is even better when on deficit advantage

[gritty ridge]

Throw it on your campaign pvp team and now you have 2 less units to worry about

[gritty ridge]

No

Not for 1 team at least

[hollow lagoon]

[gritty ridge]

2 teams? Yeah

[hollow lagoon]

Welp I’m screwed @tropic summit gib me teams

[tropic summit]

wut you already cooked em

[gritty ridge]

Yeah zant, you better run with your meager 87% deficit

[hollow lagoon]

Sad

[hollow lagoon]

not my spa def I didn’t

[tropic summit]

just auto it

they can't even hit you

[hollow lagoon]

Gotta prepare for @gritty ridge

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

Im joining his bracket at c2

[hollow lagoon]

Honestly the 641 whale could get shuffles into my bracket then I’m just screwed

[tropic summit]

he kills things at 38% deficit

you better be 40% gappin' him

his lib and vestiTU are raid boss material

[hollow lagoon]

What’s his sync

[placid bloom]

You just need to rush to sync 1000

Beat his ass

[gaunt pulsar]

if Zanta team is electro Bigboi could run his label against him with even more deficit

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/anime-scary-1

[hollow lagoon]

I think my teams are water dps heavy

[placid bloom]

What if Label get 1 tapped by Jackal rocket through shield

[hollow lagoon]

What defender gets tapped by defenders

[tropic summit]

at 40% that's 80% reduced stats, jackal probably can 1 shot actually

[placid bloom]

At 50 deficit

[hollow lagoon]

[hollow lagoon]

True but 50% deficit gaming is a job for swha

[tropic summit]

50% deficit gaming you fold upon taking your first breath

[hollow lagoon]

Not really they still live 1RL+

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bart-simpson-the-simpsons-4

[hollow lagoon]

Swha needs to full charge

Unless I break out the full smg team again but idk if it’s faster

[gritty ridge]

Lemme in there

Ill do my best

[tropic summit]

next time there's deficit cookin' to be done i'll just forward them to you

[shell hazel]

that will be in about an hour or so then 😄

[gritty ridge]

Theres literally only 2 teams that work

[tropic summit]

solving a dude matchup yesterday took an hour, ended up having to use DKW as flex B1

[gritty ridge]

Unless you have makima

[shell hazel]

you're too nice Rail

I'd just run off and eat some food or watch some anime or something

which is what I will do now

[tropic summit]

i mean i kinda was

i never only chat i'm always multi tasking

[gritty ridge]

Yeah, like talking here and dming bigboi

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-strange-sorry-but-i-was-never-here-goodby-gif-24333933

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sorry-who-rohit-shetty

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sailor-moon-but-you

[gritty ridge]

Dont hide our love pookie

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/door-close-sam

[gritty ridge]

[signal hull]

So just went against this team: Noah/Noise/SwoleWhite/Biscuit/HelmT
used OG Soda against them
and she stunned SW and Biscuit, NOT Noah/Noise - this is first time I see it, did I miss some game changes??

[tropic summit]

soda in p1 or p2?

[signal hull]

P3

[tropic summit]

that's your problem then

she needs to be in splash range to be taunted

p1 and p2 are the positions noah and noise hit and will taunt

[signal hull]

huh... live and learn, ok thanks.

[tropic summit]

soda in p3 p4 p5 becomes RNG instead, as she won't be taunted

[signal hull]

Yeah that worked, naisu. Scarlet is not obsolete yet!

[tropic summit]

she won't be on attack

[glacial haven]

Hey @tropic summit, sorry to bother you, again, but mind to analyse this comp? Yes it's again with that blessed person, but..... It was a tremendous success. I just changed Rosanna with Label (since I believe Label's a Scarlet counter) and some positioning. I just don't know if this run was a strike of luck or it is a reliable team.

[gaunt pulsar]

it was crit and you survived, worst case scenario passed should be pretty consistent

a little close to comfort if swha crits alot too but seems survivable

[wind kelp]

That feeling when a commander 80 levels above you fails to crack your rookie arena defense

"Sorry bub, i was forged by the pvp channel" 😄

[glacial haven]

Wait until he learns that he can CP stomp you... Thrust me, I suffer with this daily.

[plain kayak]

Guys, vestiT 1 crit rate and 2 charge speed, or 3 charge speed, what is better in PvP?

[glacial haven]

I believe that my team dont got wiped cause Label's max hp buffs. But thats all...

[wind kelp]

Oh for sure, they'll find a way, they have all the tools and cp to do it, if they have the knowledge 😄

[glacial haven]

This was the team I was trying to make it work, but this run specifically, was a lucky shot.

[gaunt pulsar]

it's self buff though, she doesn't give hp to team

[gaunt pulsar]

yea new one is way more reliable i would say

[glacial haven]

I see. You're right. The only thing she buffs it's ATK when she bursts.

[gaunt pulsar]

surprised scar deals so much though, assuming that's high skill level 2 label or it's on deficit?

[glacial haven]

Is is in the kinda usable threshold i would say. Her CP isn't very high but her doll is SR 15, 7/7/7 with OL gear 2.

[tropic summit]

a bit far from comfort, but as mentioned it was a crit and you lived and you've water code link at that

maybe give tempering to helmt to reduce link dmg a bit

assuming that soda eventually stuns both of your B2, you'll be late on helmT lifesteal, that could be fatal at that HP though, dunno how consistant it will be but it may fail

[gaunt pulsar]

skill level 10 label + tempering + sr15 doll is 97% dmg reduction, dunno how much she gives at 7 but should help alot

[tropic summit]

the rosanna option kills scarlet before she gets going, so fix her atk% so u can get her linked and make it guaranteed

[tropic summit]

ye i guess this would work too, extra leeway on HP and he'll be fine even with 1s delay on burst chain

[gaunt pulsar]

might be not that high of a problem, they seem to be out of stun by the time he presses b3, so if even helm gets stunned she will be out in time maybe with slight delay

[glacial haven]

I dont have crystals to spare with rosanna. I'm really low with that.

[tropic summit]

get her invested down the road, less comps that can punish you by lacking her properly built

if anything label will ease your anti scar-soda teams

[glacial haven]

If anything... Label can help with that...

[gaunt pulsar]

oh it's only 10% increase from 7 to 10 still good though, but yea, better to run jackal linked units with tempering against that to make sure you survive, she wouldn't crit agaisnt you all the time anyway

[glacial haven]

[proud plinth]

Is there a site that shows the current SP Arena meta if you have most of the Nikkes?

[noble python]

Rosanna is linked

[noble python]

So T1 worked but Vesti died too soon so I couldn’t full burst and lost T3

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit do you reckon 3rl scar would be safe to run with label as b1?

For 2rl scar/cindy at least

[tropic summit]

you forgot the quantums

always check speed @noble python , i can't keep reminding you everytime

[vapid lake]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-scarlet-gif-2839282335838492550

[tropic summit]

3RL scarlet loses her purpose

just run her as usual, there's 1 label anyway, 20% chance

[gritty ridge]

Fine. Kilo burst it is

[tropic summit]

https://klipy.com/gifs/that-escalated-2

[tropic summit]

the solo B1 noise

[gritty ridge]

Kilo protects trust

[tropic summit]

just run scarlet 2RL if you gotta gamble anyway

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit

[cedar sorrel]

How does pvp deficit work?

[gaunt pulsar]

starts after 15,4% have different stat penalty than campaign one, deficit wise works the same - just reduces your stats

[cedar sorrel]

From how much% diff do u start doing like 1dmg and just lose?

[gaunt pulsar]

depends, considering you could be in deficit due to person being just higher level than you, or same level but way more invest, you deal 1 dmg because your attack stats cannot pass their def stat usually, and at 15,5% deficit you stats penalty starts from 20%

[noble python]

Sorry lol and I win

Also just won defense twice

Against the guy who was OG Challenger 5

[gaunt pulsar]

fighting at any deficit is bad idea unless you fighting pve warrior on 0 burst gen

[noble python]

I am on top of the world rn lmao

[cedar sorrel]

I am usually fighting at deficit cuz I usually win through better teams (that rail built)

So Im now in diamond 1 pool where most people have at least 100k+ combined CP over me

[gaunt pulsar]

combined cp doesn't matter, in sp arena cp is calculated per team on team, and numbers like 100k doesn't tell much

easies way to tell if you fighting at deficit or not is enemy team cp*0.846

[wicked burrow]

Who's better scarlet or sbs in mihara team? Or maybe I should change teams in general. Would like some help

I also just changed mihara team, before there was Laplace instead of mihara, I was doing fine for weeks, but yesterday one guy won against me

I guess my biggest weak point is team 3

Cindy team should probably be doing fine

So it all comes to team 2

[cedar sorrel]

Thanks!

[hollow lagoon]

do a indom

sbs and scarlet too dated to be def set

much counter not worth

[wicked burrow]

What's that

[wicked burrow]

Well, fair point I guess

[hollow lagoon]

team revolve around blanc making high output unit not die for 10 sec and ur enemy has to suffer for it

example

[wicked burrow]

Hmmm, I see

What about two other teams? Cindy one is still probably fine

But the last one is concerning

[hollow lagoon]

cindy one looks too invested

recommend a lib nuke that does similar but require less critical pieces

[wicked burrow]

That's for the 3rd one?

[wicked burrow]

Can I sub soline with biscuit here?

Or maybe some other unit

[hollow lagoon]

u can

[wicked burrow]

Well, that's leaving the last team

Maybe something with Moran Rosana or Nero, I can probably invest in them depends on how much they need

[hollow lagoon]

u can also do this

[wild hemlock]

I call this the "noise/bay" is a scam cook. Also that previous CN winner used the exact same teams in the exact same positions from his last season win crazy

[wicked burrow]

Interesting one, revive from mana may come in handy

[wicked burrow]

The electro sign is quantum cube right?

[hollow lagoon]

8% charge speed vesti

[wicked burrow]

Oh

[gritty ridge]

No silly

[wicked burrow]

Well I'm good, she has 9% for me

[gritty ridge]

Its technically 18% vesti

5% vesti is all you usually need

[gaunt pulsar]

you have so many units on correct cs?

[hollow lagoon]

why do i feel u sow more chaos thatn i do

[gritty ridge]

Im just telling the truth

[hollow lagoon]

u can try this experimental thing

[gritty ridge]

5% vesti is the first minor gen increase 18% is the next one

[wicked burrow]

Was kinda close but I guess sw is much better than maiden right

Don't have label yet

[umbral belfry]

@heavy hearth take this for not linking your noise!

[hollow lagoon]

use rumani over siren

[wicked burrow]

Got it

[heavy hearth]

Did I screw up copying your teams? Haha

[umbral belfry]

if you didn't put 3 quantums on your moran noah team you're not 2rl

take this

[heavy hearth]

I deserve it for being lazy and not using my brain last night

[hollow lagoon]

holy crap ur right about the 5%

[gritty ridge]

Lmao did you think I was lying?

[gaunt pulsar]

4% works too but need to be on right position

[hollow lagoon]

idk 8 and 11 does skipp a couple frames

[gritty ridge]

Now look at 18

[hollow lagoon]

[gritty ridge]

Whole extra rocket before b1

[umbral belfry]

it's okay I will still believe in you

[hollow lagoon]

no rock

[gaunt pulsar]

4% position dependant
5% true 2 shots at any
8% faster frames sub 2rl possible
11% same
18% 3rd shot close to 2rl
21% true 3rd shot inside 2rl

[gritty ridge]

4rd

[gaunt pulsar]

misstyping

[heavy hearth]

Haha at least one of us does I think borgar is going to beat me up

[gritty ridge]

4rd tough

[hollow lagoon]

wtf nippe top no frost ticket

[gaunt pulsar]

it's not 4th it's 3rd, 4th is unreal at any cs*

[umbral belfry]

as a fellow pie who I want to win champ one day I have no choice but to cheer for him

forgive me

[gritty ridge]

Did you hit the eye

[hollow lagoon]

ah

ty

[gritty ridge]

Np

[hollow lagoon]

didnt help anyway

[gritty ridge]

Lmao

Shes standard sg gen at least

[hollow lagoon]

so i'm 2and 1/3 ish rl

[gaunt pulsar]

yea they missing a few, like bunny ade and milk

[gritty ridge]

2.3 is fast enough that its essentially 2rl

B1 before siren stun, b2 before b3

[leaden canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1115188349754429455/1461623559100043470/deck_36.jpeg?ex=696be344&is=696a91c4&hm=fd1f154502ec3fea8e19cdae3a86f3d0e8bbded1f70da696aa20814ce68b1666& need a different defense

[hollow lagoon]

emilia

[hollow lagoon]

brain cant compute

linked miranda?

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[hollow lagoon]

waifu gaming

[gritty ridge]

C7 has its perks

[leaden canyon]

now i just need to overload my Miranda lol

[gritty ridge]

Also swap lib for emi

[hollow lagoon]

mine's not over load

i cant wait to see if my cursed stuff works

[gritty ridge]

Snow letting me enjoy miranda gaming has been peak

[leaden canyon]

oh really? alrighty

[gritty ridge]

Id burst helm over emi, use emi as battery/sub dps

[hollow lagoon]

i just realized, if i dont take enough damage on links there's a chance i indom soline if my jackal gets sirened

cuz of soline heal

shiet i need to pull more soline

[gaunt pulsar]

pray on meeting smg

[hollow lagoon]

unless i predicted this and vigor cubed her

[gritty ridge]

Its surprisingly hard making 3 defenses without using cindy/scar

[hollow lagoon]

2 proper teams and a mega pad

wont work if you are trying to hit up tho

[hollow lagoon]

if some how make a team where highest attack is rapunzel, team get wipe mana res rapunzel res xanne res whatever low atk attacker then burst

[gritty ridge]

That sounds questionable at best

[hollow lagoon]

mana res into rapunzel res b3 attacker into nayuta burst into attacker burst

mana res into redhood

redhood b1 nayuta burst then into redhood burst

worked on killing scarlet nuke before but its on the derpy side

absolutely cursed

[gritty ridge]

@hollow lagoon

[hollow lagoon]

blanc p3 ballsy?

[shell hazel]

@oblique gyro MC killing time have you tried it lately?

I saw you kicked off whale-kun from spot 3

[leaden canyon]

your jackal cant get sirened

siren feed into jackal would make you 2rl

[gritty ridge]

Its a c7 blanc with tempering on it, good luck

[hollow lagoon]

man i didnt need to run soline for the security then

[hollow lagoon]

here i found the cursed comp

[gritty ridge]

If its vesti youre worried abt, soline doesnt stop her

[hollow lagoon]

6seconds of rng difficult to killness for the team no?

[leaden canyon]

btw why vesti p3

[gritty ridge]

You can change team order as you wish

I usually have vesti p2 or p3

[glad meteor]

Is your miranda treasured?

[gritty ridge]

Yes

The crit was blocked by noah

[leaden canyon]

she would be getting giga splashed then

[glad meteor]

Game said not even one

[gritty ridge]

Its usually fine, ive only had an issue with 2rl absolute

[gritty ridge]

Yeah it was crazy

[hollow lagoon]

in my champ bracket only absolute can consistently yeet p2 p3 core 7 wind defender units (any unit for that matter) if 2r

[strange linden]

So I got Label and tried, is this really 5sec only? I feel like it last for ages lmao
Scarlet did no dmg 💀

[gritty ridge]

2rl b3 falls under 5 sec unless delayed

[leaden canyon]

interesting no biscuit i just noticed

thats a lot of trust into noah living haha

[gritty ridge]

Oh put noah in p4

100%

I dont run noah in p2

[shell hazel]

mine is this season I'll see how it goes

[leaden canyon]

ahhh

im guessing the moran team all have tempering?

[hollow lagoon]

eah? ain't noah in theory tankier than blanc?

[gritty ridge]

Mine isnt

[hollow lagoon]

o

[gritty ridge]

Id reccomend it

Also put one on noise

[hollow lagoon]

i would all tempering but my tempering cube is 8 not much slots

[leaden canyon]

yeah all of noise and moran team have tempering on

I have 15 tempering

[gritty ridge]

Holy shit

[hollow lagoon]

my highest cube is 9

[gritty ridge]

But yeah, my noah is lb0 so she gets p4

[leaden canyon]

mines core 5

[hollow lagoon]

i bought noah to max core cuz she's in shop

[gritty ridge]

Im working on noise first

[hollow lagoon]

i pulled her pertty often to begin with

[gritty ridge]

I like to run noise as p1 solo b1

[wild hemlock]

All units are 18% minimum several are 21%

[hollow lagoon]

ballsy but me too

[gritty ridge]

Even moran?

[hollow lagoon]

i think bit by bit i'm corrupting @tropic summit

he already accepted the salad

then again my current version of salad has no lib, damage would be on the yikes end

[tropic summit]

eh that's good news, something is working

[tropic summit]

the bready comeback

[tropic summit]

that's fake salad

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/ofmd-our-flag-means-death-7sugars-you-came-back-never-left-gif-26890090

[tidal lichen]

where crits

[gritty ridge]

Is that layout viable?

[gritty ridge]

Noah eated them

[gaunt pulsar]

[tropic summit]

the bready team is actually lowering your win ratio, but you know what... just run it

nayuta slow cindy is weaker than blanc rumani but it will do
rest of the teams are OK, SG is weaker without nayuta

[gritty ridge]

I always run poli sg

[wild hemlock]

Yeah scarlet is 25% so I can cast my sword faster

[tidal lichen]

that can happen?

[gritty ridge]

Yes, the crit shot was invul

[tidal lichen]

the dots of the 100% crit hit should also crit but ig invul just deletes the crit

weird ass interaction

[tropic summit]

merry was commenting about that earlier too

[hollow lagoon]

as long as the letttuce (noah) soy sauce (ada) helm(sea weed) moran (chef) are there its still salad swapping lib (jelly fish) for trina (guarden vegetables) just turns it into guarden salad instead of seafood salad

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/programmer-developer-debugging-code-testing-fixing-gif-7663766

[tropic summit]

spaghetti code with extra bug salsa never fails

[tropic summit]

[gritty ridge]

It might be a pvp bug, does her followup in pve crit?

[hollow lagoon]

the way mihara works, SW missiles should be critting as long as sw didnt fire that shot no?

similar example would be ada

[tidal lichen]

missiles crit even after she shoots

[tropic summit]

essentially as long as she didn't burn miranda's stacks

[tidal lichen]

its just invuln somehow deletes the whole crit

[hollow lagoon]

interesting

[tidal lichen]

try it on shooting range, she crits on mobs

[gritty ridge]

Should I put in bug chat thing?

Or do more testing first

[tropic summit]

you can try but i've yet to see results from those attempts

[hollow lagoon]

i think fix for your case might take a while

[tropic summit]

ingame support ticket may be actually better

[gritty ridge]

It would he fixed before CA finals, no?

[glad meteor]

Bug bug bug !

[shell hazel]

good luck

[tropic summit]

if anything when i reported vestiTU "sync shoot" with video evidence, 2 weeks later they suddenly fixed it, albeit again could just be coincidence

[glad meteor]

Insider rail

[tropic summit]

the real intern kun

[glad meteor]

Tell us new treasures or else !!

[shell hazel]

+1

[tropic summit]

blanc treasure: entire team is indommed 10s upon entering

[upper grove]

stealth patch for tomorrow's reset for treasures right

[tropic summit]

sauce: trust me bro

[shell hazel]

nah we need proper gamba mechanic, it's blanc treasure but your indom duration can either end early or go way longer based on roll of a dice

add gamba into the game itself

[tropic summit]

ok let's be real, new treasures:

• fire damage is reduced by 94%
• water damage is reduced by 94%
• wind damage is reduced by 94%
• iron damage is reduced by 94%
• crow commits sucide upon entering, does nothing

[gaunt pulsar]

by the SU logic the next alt scarlet gets - gets dmg reduction unit down the line sakura vs sbs, label vs drunk scarlet, next?

[tropic summit]

i'll find that intern and put him at the stake though

[gritty ridge]

Heres 2 more tests with miranda snow

[tropic summit]

i mean it's one thing arena being rock paper scissor, it's another making arena into playing lego

[tidal lichen]

try it against a moran bay

[leaden canyon]

btw rail I tried this and it got beat, rip

[oblique gyro]

yooo i am trying MC right now, missing 100 HP bars for now

[gritty ridge]

I dont have that option

[tidal lichen]

me neither

[shell hazel]

damn that is close enough you got this

[tropic summit]

remove that liberalio on def, she's abusable as hell

[tidal lichen]

wish some1 had moran on my rookie

[shell hazel]

put the game into 30fps mode if you didn't it slows down the slippers a bit

[leaden canyon]

yeah its swha now

[tropic summit]

use as main B3s SWHA and vestiTU, vestiTU indommed, 3rd team make a stall with moran noah

you could play around also with triple threat teams with sacc

we've so much burst gen freedom now you can stack up

[leaden canyon]

is sac still strong with label in the game?

[tropic summit]

as long as you don't use an eletric B3 on 2RL

[leaden canyon]

the only one that would be free is lib then

[tropic summit]

i just realized that not only every single current eletric B3 on 2RL got nerfed, but even possible future ones as long as they don't have a kit that circumvents elec dmg reduction

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit did snow crit on all the followup here?

[tropic summit]

i dunno i'm shooting range main, ask the experts

[gritty ridge]

Whossat

Rosy?

[leaden canyon]

oh btw rail I need to show you his new defense, I cant Crack it

[tropic summit]

as long as you're not gapped to hell

[leaden canyon]

I mean its the usual 2 team gap

[gritty ridge]

@umbral crown look at this pls

[tropic summit]

look like crits

[gritty ridge]

Theres just so many numbers on screen

[ivory violet]

Another fun comp to run is miranda emilia

[shell hazel]

we not emi haverers

[gritty ridge]

That one's kinda limited access

[tropic summit]

blood ran that in CA, bad win ratio he said

[shell hazel]

blood stole my emi anyway

[ivory violet]

Yeah when I tested it in rookie and sp arena it lost to a bunch of stuff

[gritty ridge]

Now I need people to start running miranda snow

[shell hazel]

he said fun not good 😄

it's fun ... but it's lost

[tropic summit]

vesti wins against T2 already as is right?

[leaden canyon]

You know I wish I was recording because it actually lost a round one time

cindy burst

idk how

[tropic summit]

5RL, you probably needed to DPS them

if they reach 5RL they'll burst

[ivory violet]

I tried to make this work, Maiden gives herself +120% crit dmg if she's in revenge status. It's too bad Miranda crit buff doesn't apply soon enough to always ensure maiden burst crits though

[leaden canyon]

well vesti usually kills them all in time

I looked up and they were all healthy on his team

[tropic summit]

how's T3 losing instead? rosanna is linked right?

[leaden canyon]

Like I didn't vesti burst

[leaden canyon]

yes

1 b3 unit always lives

[tropic summit]

so you 1shot ein and ada, helmt shoots SWHA who's alive?

[leaden canyon]

I'm just going to run it and record to show you this shit lol

[tropic summit]

nah last thing

you running quantum?

because you only get feed in p2 via splash and from some SWHA hits

[leaden canyon]

yes

[tropic summit]

hmm

then you no longer misindom on jackal he fixed it

[leaden canyon]

I recorded it

[tropic summit]

we need to force swha to B3 or ada to B3, so you can use a faster fire rate mirror indom

[leaden canyon]

I also tried to out speed it with scarlet jackal helmT emilia trina

somehow he was fast enough to blanc in time

[tropic summit]

summon the indom duel expert

this is out of my field

[tropic summit]

@swift mango your mirror indom experiences of nearly 1 year of noah-less are required

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-i-summon-you-to-fulfill-your-oath-gif-15974785

[leaden canyon]

well I'm sure I win it actually with rapi indom dont I

[tropic summit]

ein is peculiar

her drones still shoot after indom and full burst expires

sometimes it can actually out trade even high fire rate nikke

but again i'll leave it to the indom duel expert, i generally don't mess with these setups

[leaden canyon]

I would probably have to 2.5 rrh then

[tropic summit]

ein is instant nuke

sort of

[shell hazel]

guessing you can't out-stall with label lowering ein damage by a load?

[tropic summit]

that's 5s only

he's gonna need to then lock ein on p1 with biscuit, which he has to use for CP pad

[shell hazel]

🙁

[tropic summit]

nayuta and label in same team are also expensive on burst gen side instead

this is one of the few situations where mirror indom is probably best

he's literally forced into it

T1 skip
T2 noah bis vestiTU helmt rumani
T3 jackal swha laplaceT blanc centi (SWHA indommed)
or scarlet blanc rh swha jackal (scarlet linked)

if you don't have units above post your box

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit I think I found out why I couldn't out speed him

He would need high cs on jackal

[tropic summit]

ye we did talk about the 1.7RL team before in this chat

[craggy pier]

Thanks!

[gaunt pulsar]

i would just remove the rosa personally and use lib instead, you helping him by extra feeding and damaging with rosa so much that his ein get's indommed, while with your emi shooting p1 p2 p3 you could very much solo force ada to be the target of indom due to ein cores, or sw at p5, and if ein bursts but dies while ada or sw is stays indommed you should win, it took him a while to dmg you with ein

[tropic summit]

he could lock ein in p1 via moran and a team that still can kill the rest of the team meanwhile

although it will be a moran blanc debuffed

[leaden canyon]

Looks like it could work actually

Is lib nuke instant?

[gaunt pulsar]

1s

[tropic summit]

no, 1RL

if cast at 2RL it will land around 3RL

[leaden canyon]

damn this wont work then

[tropic summit]

might srsly take the stall road with moran, she's well built right?

[gaunt pulsar]

i was thinking just the same position as on video but lib instead of rosa, but there alot to think about

[leaden canyon]

yes

[tropic summit]

keep this after @gaunt pulsar suggestion

[leaden canyon]

That would not work as well then

[tropic summit]

nuke link and tank ein with moran

would make some fine 🍿 if you she survives it

cubes for min/max

moran tempering
anchorIM vigor
helmt vigor
trina quantum
swha any

[gritty ridge]

Rail, snow multitarget crits in pve

She should've crit against the noah team

[shell hazel]

ein does true damage right? can't rely entirely on her def but stall/heal moran could be worth a shot

[tropic summit]

that matchup is pretty bad for moran, it's hyperbuff ein on ada buff too and blanc debuffed, testing the limits

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

LOOK AT MORAN GOOOOOOOOOOO

MOTHER OF GOD WHAT A TANK

how many f*ing buffs is that

[leaden canyon]

I'm actually curious if this would work for defense lmao

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon @shell hazel we got a new salad

[gaunt pulsar]

you could swap lib and thelm positions and burst with helm at p2, would kill all his linked units anyway, i just dont want him to indom ein and keep her alive, but you forcing indom on her with rosa which works against you here, rail suggestion already worked though

[tropic summit]

not even too committed, it's only moran helmt and swha realistically expensive in there

i think that team could still lose to double buff lib though

that nuke is powerful on 2 buffs

also i think vestiTU on ada buff and blanc buff should still eat moran alive

[silk iris]

need help with this one

[leaden canyon]

Interesting, if I have a chance to test it again I'll try it

[hollow lagoon]

Beeg hp

[hollow lagoon]

It would be true

I experienced my self

[leaden canyon]

Now just roll 50% attack on moran for solo carry

[tropic summit]

you're on the left

CP requirement:

T1 1190k
T2 1181k

quantum as for picture above for T1 to be 2RL

[tropic summit]

man tell your opponent to put a vestiTU instead of ein

we gotta test this against her actual real counter

[leaden canyon]

I mean I'm actually pretty sure anchor will fall over

[hollow lagoon]

Ein even good these days ?