pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-smash-keyboard-streamer-twitch-gif-27138844

[gritty ridge]

Label onz mys fsve nows

[umbral crown]

thats around CA S3 or so, one of the funniest matches i ever had

[tropic summit]

whoever was the reiT team did NOT have fun

[umbral crown]

hahaha, reloading so cover could take all the damage

that was the boi who won against me in S4 in finals

[versed mesa]

Oh wait you saying Label a hottie? If that is the case, I concur

[gritty ridge]

Man issz label

[tropic summit]

dafuq that's not drunk, it's almost sober

[gritty ridge]

Hehe

[tropic summit]

bigboi probably the type of drunk whos brain still works somehow while drunk af

[gritty ridge]

Esys dont eorkx

[tropic summit]

[gritty ridge]

Nor finzger

Run tahtz teams

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-speak-words-we-can-all-gif-20169864

[gritty ridge]

Mansa is label

[gritty ridge]

Win mirror and mazye agsonet labez

[umbral crown]

what you said rail haha

the video even had a semi pause in that moment

like: check this out everyone

[tropic summit]

yeah pure comedy

[radiant coral]

why is it coherent

[gritty ridge]

Rums taht

Now!

[radiant coral]

what do i uh do if i dont have uh

some of the units

[gritty ridge]

Lose

[radiant coral]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-accepting-fate-tiktok-at-peace-gif-567488341419321713

[gritty ridge]

Who you misint

[radiant coral]

mihara, rapunzel, TBay, TPoli, TLaplace

[gritty ridge]

Wtf

You camt run zhot

[radiant coral]

I can run uh

i have nero

[lavish urchin]

you can run Noah m.achnor soline lib x.annie

[radiant coral]

uh

i uh

i dont have annie either

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit

[umbral crown]

update is ready, its smol 403mb for phone

[swift mango]

@keen vapor

[keen vapor]

[coarse solstice]

I leave for 5 min and @gritty ridge Is drunk af smh

[gritty ridge]

Hiii

[sudden drift]

its up yáll

time to reclaim 3rd place in SP

[graceful grotto]

now let's see how many pvp-ers will get her kewk

[quartz rover]

New nikke looks like a pvp thing

[restive heart]

ignore the huge level gap

Label - lvl5 T9M, 7-7-4, SR5, lvl10 tempering

[tight finch]

Naked label = rest of team take 1 damage from scarlet ulti

[swift mango]

Probably not me ofc

[unique wagon]

How much dmg reduce is doll 15

@tropic summit

You can run 4 SG with her since Scar counterattack deal nearly 0 dmg

Insane stuff

[swift mango]

And lose to everything else

[unique wagon]

Lmao

Just use Rosanna too

[graceful grotto]

my poor baby scar

[unique wagon]

Whats Label's burst gen bois

[graceful grotto]

getting shaft real bad

[north brook]

Scar is rip bozo

[quartz rover]

Ar gen probably

[graceful grotto]

probably mana gen

[unique wagon]

She has burst gen up

[north brook]

Label prob same deal as moran

[swift mango]

The dev decided they didn't kill her enough.

[unique wagon]

Label being used as deterrent on defense how effective

[quartz rover]

Label will be my noah

[swift mango]

Then I wipe with ReiT

[unique wagon]

U havent seen the rest of the comp though

[quartz rover]

I don't have noah so label should do (if I get her)

[unique wagon]

That TVesti:

[swift mango]

ReiT p4

[unique wagon]

Nu uh

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

Moran Nero x x Label letsgo

Wipe with Scar? Nu uh

Moran Nero HelmTr SWHA hmm wait not enuf Nero healing

Oh shit Moran + Label mean Damage Taken Blanc gets countered too Lmao

[leaden canyon]

so scarlet and cindy are super dead on defense lmao

Time to switch my defense around, RIP

[tight finch]

Slow cindy is fine

[unique wagon]

Moran Label HelmTr Rapu Label?

[tight finch]

Only last 5sec so 4rl I think is safe? around abouts

[unique wagon]

Nero*

[leaden canyon]

what do you guys think, pull for pvp or too niche

[unique wagon]

She can also slow down Rosanna sac

[leaden canyon]

Basically blocking scar or cindy for free seems insane

[leaden canyon]

fr? interesting how does that play out

[unique wagon]

She gains concealment when shield gets broken so she can absorb 30% dmf

If the team depends on someone dying

[leaden canyon]

[unique wagon]

She can slow it down

[leaden canyon]

my current sac defense with scar is cooked, oop

[tight finch]

Can use her to try eat a rosa hit as well probably

[unique wagon]

Also she kinda somewhat blocks PrivM and Maiden (who use them anyway)

[leaden canyon]

her damage reduction against electric is only 5 seconds so I guess moran can still kill the whole team in situations

I'll pull her, hopefully I dont get super unlucky and waste a lot of pulls

[unique wagon]

No, cus Moran cant kill Label

[leaden canyon]

easy

First 10 pull

[unique wagon]

Label can solo against Electric

[leaden canyon]

thats kinda crazy actually

now I need rocks and credits to overload her ffs

Does she even need a doll?

[covert lintel]

She need

The strength of the shield is from her hp

[unique wagon]

She and the whole team LMAO

[leaden canyon]

Just me trying to be cheap

Even though my whole team does have SR15 besides centi

[unique wagon]

Where do u run her even though

[leaden canyon]

Centi?

[unique wagon]

Ig Label allows newbies to run 4 SG + Label into Scar comps

Which HAS NOT BEEN POSSIBLE if not invested and other is invested

[leaden canyon]

if you meant label I'm just going to do slow cindy

[unique wagon]

I think Label is awesome for beginners and retain some usefulness for late game

[leaden canyon]

yeah at least lets you put blanc some where else for slow cindy

[placid bloom]

Label Cindy is still in theorycraft phase don't know how her self stun timing will line up with burst time in actual combat

[covert lintel]

Is label's burst gen similar to mica?

[unique wagon]

Heh one is SMG

[leaden canyon]

think he meant the skill burstgen

[placid bloom]

should be a little better than Mana I think

[swift mango]

Doubt, should be similar to noise

[unique wagon]

Good eniug

But why pvp unit

SU?

Ur CA is still in beta

[swift mango]

They make anti Elec, as if Elec wasn't beat up enough already

[covert lintel]

They might be trying to make another pvp mode

[quaint anchor]

im hearing that label is useless if your opponent team bursts after 5 seconds

[swift mango]

That's slow cindy

[sweet obsidian]

she definitely wants doll, damage reduction is additive

[covert lintel]

Yeah
She just specialized for 2rl electric counter

[sweet obsidian]

also, that's only vs slow cindy. other elec units besides sAnis are hard countered. slow scarlet doesn't exist, rosanna is b1, fast cindy is within 5s

[covert lintel]

Maybe even 2.5rl would be useless

[sweet obsidian]

xmaiden as well

[swift mango]

Rosa can dispel so it's only partial countered

[sweet obsidian]

she dispels one of two highest final atk units, but with enough s2 levels, one of them's gonna be label, in spite of defender status

[swift mango]

Slow Xmaiden exist. No one use 2rl Xmaiden Aside from attacking

[sweet obsidian]

and since buffs are continuous as long as shield is up, she wastes one of her dispels

[swift mango]

Her ATK need to high enough to bait the dispell

[sweet obsidian]

ya, and at 93% self atk buff from s2 at start of combat, that's not that hard, even for a defender

[swift mango]

She is defender

[sweet obsidian]

that's only a 33% difference from attackers, no?

[placid bloom]

hmm might be close? If say Label shield survive until enemy B3 cast at 4s, self stun 1s, unstun at 5s and rebuild shield with auto means opponent needs to 1 tap shield in 0.4s to stun her again before she can burst at 5.4s ofc Label burst gen a little better than Tove so maybe faster, but also her shield might not last until enemy cast B3 either

[swift mango]

So if your b3 has 40% they still higher than her.

[sweet obsidian]

ofc, it'd depend on bodies too, but label's atk buff is still very sizeable

it's not that much effort to make her bait out one of rosanna's dispels

[swift mango]

That's if she isn't stunned before Rosa dispell at 10th attack

[sweet obsidian]

that's true, cuz shield broken does dispel it

[covert lintel]

Did you calculate already?
Or just saying?

[sweet obsidian]

i mean, that was just regular math, but realistically, he has a point

this is only true if shield is intact.

[placid bloom]

can estimate based on Poli shield tankiness maybe how many shot does Poli shield take from SG team mirror before breaking

divide by 3

[fallow nebula]

is label the new scarlet killer

[sweet obsidian]

elec defender

[severe nimbus]

so am I correct in assuming Label is mostly going to be a CA unit? the teams she seemingly counters already have several counters already in terms of SP so its not like a whole lot changes?

[placid bloom]

well she beats Soda Scar better than current variant

[sweet obsidian]

label as a defender in non-CA is questionable

[placid bloom]

no RNG involved anymore

[sweet obsidian]

cuz people can just not send their elec units vs her and her biggest selling point is gone

[placid bloom]

also beat Rapu Scar

but Idk if people blind def Rapu Scar in SPA

[sweet obsidian]

i was hoping her shield would be annoying to deal with even outside of elec dps, but in retrospect, shields being glorified overheals in pvp make it not that good without her biggest selling point

in spite of the shield spam, she's a poor p1 cuz her s1 has her redirect single target attacks from her whenever it breaks

something to note is that dmg reduction buffs are additive

so tempering+sr15+max s2 gives like 97% dmg reduction vs elec

[cunning crown]

yeah I hate her already

[sweet obsidian]

reminds me of ludmilla, but better and just for elec

[grand plaza]

How does she performs against Cindy with %70 DMG reduction?

Ppl were wondering if it would be enough

[sweet obsidian]

should be massive if all is taken into account, aka, team dolls and whatnot, but something to note is that vs blanc, it's less effective, as dmg taken debuff subtracts directly from damage reduction

i.e. 70% - 40% (both max) makes it just a 30% reduction

[grand plaza]

I don't think she will be p1, too random

[sweet obsidian]

she shouldn't be, unless you know she'll be up against elec (impossible as defense) cuz upon shield break, aside from self stun, she also redirects attacks away from her

[placid bloom]

well Centi p1 is fine too if you are not scared of Mermaid

[covert lintel]

Emi at lv400 *2 lb with 40% atk is 181.132
Label at lv400 *0 lb with 133% atk(93% atk from skill + 40% atk from ol) is 151.769

[sweet obsidian]

is gear equalized?

that sounds too low

[covert lintel]

No

[sweet obsidian]

best to consider base stats

[grand plaza]

How about just Noisep1 and her P4 or sth, basically invincible against elec

[covert lintel]

I only look at blablalink stat

[sweet obsidian]

all things being equal, a defender has about a third less attack than an attacker

yes, bodies should be taken into account too, but in general, this is true

[covert lintel]

Maybe safe to assume you need to mlb her to make a higher atk

But 40% atk wasn't ez

[gaunt pulsar]

and sr15 for a good measure

[sweet obsidian]

sr15 is valid at minimum cuz that dmg reduction stacking

albeit, there's definitely other priorities before label

since she's just gonna be an attacker vs elec defenders mainly.

other capabilities are up to debate, but that's like, the thing she does obviously well

[tropic summit]

looks like we can remove fast cindy and fast scarlet from defense

don't even bother

[sweet obsidian]

yeah, pretty much

[tropic summit]

gonna be vestiTU/SWHA fast teams + indom/stall era for a while

[sweet obsidian]

though slow cindy is countered by way more

is label alone enough to justify switching from fast cindy

[grand plaza]

I am wondering if I should remove Scarlet from my wishlist

[tropic summit]

she can punish things on attack, you could need her

albeit there's plenty of tools for attack, like lib and vestiTU

[sweet obsidian]

yeah, realistically, label will haunt people that can't switch right away

people that can afford to just don't send out elec defender anymore after this, besides sAnis

[grand plaza]

I just rearrange my pvp teams as well

[onyx scaffold]

are we back with stall scarlet?

[unreal dawn]

can someone help me build team for pvp, thankyou so much @-@/

[forest oar]

Would like some help for teams for sp and rookie arena, since its kinda overdue for me to change them. And might as well with label's release. Have almost all nikkes but the ones not in the screenshots aren't really built. Any recommendations? https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMTMzMDgxMjIxNjIwODMwNjkyNTg%3D

[unreal dawn]

I upgraded some of my Nikkes, based on prydwen's recommendations, but I'm still losing and stuck in the top 10 🙁

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren cindy bay vestiTU
• nayuta anis swha rh noir
• blanc lib biscuit liter rumani

Rookie

• nayuta lib rh swha jackal

Notes

• finish helm treasure asap
• wishlist noah, noise, trina, centi
• build up SWHA and vestiTU once you can, finish campaign team 1st

[storm hearth]

hows her battery

does label having gauge speed really zooms
is she even good in the first place

[rich ledge]

So label is a must pull?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi helmt rh emilia
• jackal vestiTU laplaceT blanc centi
• noah swha biscuit drakeT noise

Rookie

• SWHA vestiTU helmT siren noah

[forest oar]

tysm 🙏

[unreal dawn]

can i change anis,liter and noir to other nikkes since i have not built them yet, they dont have favorite items and i still have other nikkes to use though

i also have noise

[tropic summit]

liter is flex B1 buffer, suit yourself
noir is flex clip SG battery, any similar unit or faster speed is fine
anis is clip RL burst gen battery, you need to ensure team still hits that threshold, else you'll lose out on speed

for reference:

[indigo mist]

Is Liberalio a good replacement for Cindy due to Label?

[unreal dawn]

ohhh, but i have noise, where should i put her

[tropic summit]

they serve completely different purposes, also lib on defense is mild as a noah on 1RL slower can still nullify her

cindy can be used in slow cindy variants, but don't use her in 2.5RL or faster teams

[indigo mist]

Oohh.... I was using one of the fast Cindy teams that is pinned...

[tropic summit]

ye you can bench that if you using it on def

you can keep using it situationally on attack and as long as she doesn't face equal speed noah or label

[indigo mist]

Best bet i prob just replace her with the SW team that is pinned

[tropic summit]

atm prefer any team that has vestiTU and SWHA as main B3, 3rd team can be indom or stall

scar trina ros still has situationally strength, but still nerfed so don't bother if you got the above

[idle prairie]

tracer could you build me 5 teams for pvp ?

[fair pivot]

So one team indom, one Noah, with SW/Vesti. What's a good third, slow Cindy?

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[unreal dawn]

wait, i have noise, where should i put her in this team
-jackal siren cindy bay vestiTU
-nayuta anis swha rh noir
-blanc lib biscuit liter rumani

[indigo mist]

I got indom with vesti and noah with SW. I mean vesti without indom and sw without noah kinda ass isn't it? As for stall team, are there other varients for stall beside Nero Moran?

[heady peak]

Sooooo I was reading the new girl Label.... is she a possible anti-meta pick in pvp champs? helps burst charge speed as well? could be used to counter into scarlet/cindy/etc teams. sorry I was too lazy to actually read up all the posts.. so yes she can... but she's awkwad and needs testing. Got it.

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

moran noah flex flex flex
noise flex flex bay flex
moran bay flex flex flex
noise noah flex biscuit flex

build any of these, aim for 2RL or 2.5RL, any slower and assume it loses
refer to #pvp-arena message in case

[idle prairie]

Possible to replace rapi for any b3 in any of the teams ?

[tropic summit]

no, you'd lack speed

those teams are already stretched thin, as you're short of some pvp core units and batteries

[indigo mist]

I see that team pinned for snow white has helm as main b3, could I switch snow white as main b3 is that fine or will it ruin the comp

[tropic summit]

which comp you building specifically?

type the units you going with

[indigo mist]

I just show my box, but I was going to use the Vesti INdom team and snow white team pinned, but I noticed Helm as main b3 pinned. Also I pulled label, so would she be included into a stall team then or is it possible to have her in one of the vesti/snow white teams for proection

This just for SP arena

[tropic summit]

label is attack specific unit, not defense

enemy will just bypass her with proper counter team

[indigo mist]

Ahh ok

But yea could I build a snow white comp for main b3? Or is the pinned snowwhite comp just better with helm as main b3

[pallid gate]

i wonder if there is counter for moran >noah> helm> sw > trina?

[idle prairie]

team 1 replaceable with what unit i dont think i have her

[gloomy robin]

cant you just mermaid stun moran?

[tropic summit]

noise or any b1 flex mag RL

[tropic summit]

yes, noah biscuit vestiTU helmt/SWHA jackal

[ancient sun]

Can someone explain to me how his Nayuta bursts faster than my Blanc?

Sorry for video quality

Vesti is 10% CS

[tropic summit]

enemy is slightly faster on CS%, but also because nayuta B2 is applied faster than blanc B2

approach that team with a 2RL noah instead and use the indom against another team

[ancient sun]

Thank you

[unreal dawn]

Can you explain to me what is this please

[tropic summit]

burst gen %, bullet feed, tier of bursting

refer to this as it's easier to understand:
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[unreal dawn]

Ohh

So the higher -> the better ?

[tropic summit]

2RL is faster than 2.5RL, 2.5RL is slower than 2RL but faster than 3RL

[unreal dawn]

Ohh

[leaden canyon]

2RL b3 will go off when 3RL b1 goes off, 2RL b3 goes off when 2.5RL b2 goes off

[unreal dawn]

If i can get helm to treasure in the next solo raid, where should i put her in your recommendation teams

[tropic summit]

actually incorrect

2RL B3 goes off when enemy 2.5RL is on B1
2.5RL B3 goes off when enemy 3RL is on B1

it's still CS% dependant, if enemy 2.5RL has good enough CS% and attacker 2RL has 0 or low CS%, opponent 2.5RL may get to B2

[leaden canyon]

Well thats what I meant

[pallid gate]

is this against anything that have moran in it?

[unreal dawn]

Compare to the top 10 player, they have more better pvp nikke than mine 🙁

[tropic summit]

moran direct counter is teams with blanc debuff and strong DPS or teams with heavy standalone DPS, vestiTU excells at this job

[wild patio]

wtf this guy doesnt even have a life

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-toy-story3-gif-25030026

[restive willow]

so any label testing? can the shield protect her from vesti s2 dmg?

[tropic summit]

you change T2

from nayuta anis SWHA RH noir to nayuta helmT SWHA RH noir

[unreal dawn]

I don't have trina,moran,noah,centi and scarlet,and they have all of them :((

[unreal dawn]

Nice ⊂((・▽・))⊃

[shell hazel]

120 pulls 1 label, def not got the tickets to try for more copies 1 will have to do

[tropic summit]

attack him when he's logged out, you can check that by clicking on his profile and checking last login time
some ppl literally sit with their pvp arena screen on, in that case you're best just sniping them at reset or ignore altogether

[quick lake]

Whats the verdict after testing

[tropic summit]

when are you even gonna use her, she's sp arena attacker team

unless chinese friendo comes back to haunt you

[tropic summit]

a very unhealthy unit, attack oriented

#pvp-arena message

@quick lake my personal opinion so far

[idle prairie]

any replacement for this ?

[tropic summit]

b2 flex mag RL

[wild patio]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-there-menacingly-houou-super-gif-8045438273797915427

I have been with this guy for 2 years

[quick lake]

Damn, scarlet barely tickle Label teams

[shell hazel]

I am not sure lol but I had 0 mileage so sometimes I'll just pull to get some of that

[quick lake]

Has anyone tried RH + Trina + Scar against Label

[gaunt pulsar]

prob need blanc instead of trina

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/city-hunter-ryo-saeba-shrug-i-dont-know-i-dont-care-gif-14623021

[quick lake]

Blanc buff wouldnt be enough

[gaunt pulsar]

it's better in this situation imo

[idle prairie]

whats flex mag rl sorry ><

[quick lake]

I dont think so. Blanc RH has fallen out of favour for a long while

[tropic summit]

you don't have bay?

[idle prairie]

these are my b2s

[quick lake]

Damn, surface mode is back?

[tropic summit]

@idle prairie don't replace units that you've in your box, just use them

they're best in slot, so don't replace those i gave you in the teams unless you literally don't have them

CP does not matter in CA so you don't need to worry about them being not fully invested

[gaunt pulsar]

if they are on sr15+tempering+label you are not doing to them anything even with 5 buffs because they are just stacked on dmg reduction, need dmg up to counter it at least somewhat 🤷‍♂️

[idle prairie]

ah so sorry too many units i struggle finding em thank you so much <3 yea im using your exact units other than the ones i dont have

i used noise instead

[unreal dawn]

Can you give me the best 3 pvp teams rightnow, i want to focous to built them, even if i dont have them yet,but i trust my luck(づ｡◕‿‿◕｡)づ

[quick lake]

Trina + RH + Scar buff is bigger than Blanc RH

[unreal dawn]

The best pvp team you can think of

[tropic summit]

throw centi and rumani in synchro and build them up down the road btw, i see they're sitting on the lvl 1 bench

[tropic summit]

there's no such thing, aim for any 2RL SWHA, vestiTU and stall teams in #pvp-arena message

most defenses will break after opponent attempts multiple times so you'll need to keep shifting them around

[unreal dawn]

The team in dream that can help me to be top 1 (つ✧ω✧)つ

[unreal dawn]

Oh 🙁

So i just need to built them anyway huh

[quick lake]

SPA teams should be 3x 2RL teams or bust nowadays

[idle prairie]

noted will do so !

[restive willow]

from the looks of this, I see that the shield immunity does not block splash damage either

[crystal flicker]

A new PvP Nikke?

[quick lake]

Actual pvp nikke

[restive willow]

likely won't protect vesti s2 either, and doesn't block anything that can hit the actual nikke instead of the general targeting

[tropic summit]

i don't think scar blanc rh can be lethal against label B1 + any HP increase or defensive B2
even then, scar can be used only on attack, as on defense she'll get directly countered by the above

time to bench her for defense teams

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[unreal dawn]

This is the top 1 in my pvp right now

[quick lake]

If Trina RH Scar doesnt win Label, Scar is benched. She had a good run

[crystal flicker]

So basically just Noah with lifesteal

[unreal dawn]

Should i copy his build ?

[tropic summit]

time to retire, she's old... but at least still has a purpose situationally on attack and on CA?

[quick lake]

yeahhh

[sweet obsidian]

it's been 3 years

scarlet had a good run for sure.

[coarse lake]

so did anyone come up with a ca comp for label that's actually worth something

[unreal dawn]

So i shouldn't, can you guys tell me why

[coarse lake]

bc I'm struggling

[spare nimbus]

Nero moran label maybe

[quick lake]

Label + SG team maybe

That was what gatrix suggested

I needa read her kit again

[coarse lake]

I don't get this one

who you replacing

[unreal dawn]

Sometimes i think build alice is a stupid idea, but right now she is the strongest of my nikkes :((((

[quick lake]

I think the idea was make SG more resistant to Scar nuke and mirror Rosanna SG

idk, ask Gatrix tbh

[tropic summit]

you need to understand what you're doing first, give this a read
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

then i suggest you get familiar with pvp core units, you can use this, has most important units detailed https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[unreal dawn]

Oki i will

[coarse lake]

does sg nayuta's nayuta burst 1 shot iron these days

[quick lake]

should be possible yeah

[coarse lake]

then you would lose to mirror

gen too slow, nayuta 1 shots label, no b1

[unreal dawn]

I did all of this in 2 months,did i do good ?

[coarse lake]

unless both nayuta block perfectly for no sac

[quick lake]

Bless my Label pulls. Gonna pull mommy now

[crystal flicker]

Whats even her gen? Grave level?

[coarse lake]

mana

[crystal flicker]

Ah

[coarse lake]

unless she loses shield, then it's a goose-egg

so gl with that

[crystal flicker]

I can guess the next PvP unit is a dispel passive

[coarse lake]

no need, rosa already dispels label's stuff 90% of the time

[crystal flicker]

lol

[coarse lake]

if the dispel target is the same as snipe target, label isn't saving them unless in comps with a ton of start of battle buffs

[sweet obsidian]

oh, rosanna still dispels label's stuff?

i thought continuous would have it reapply, wasting a dispel if she is targeted

[coarse lake]

scar/label/trina/helmt/jackal = scar keeps jackal link, loses dr
scar/jackal/trina/label/helmt = scar keeps dr, loses jackal link

[crystal flicker]

Scar Rosa is back

[coarse lake]

first scenario loses to nayuta sg

second scenario easily wins, but now you're jackal b1

[quick lake]

goth girl took 80 pulls

[coarse lake]

the only thing that isn't dispellable is her own shield

but her self gen increase can still be dispelled anyway

[sweet obsidian]

yeah, but as long as shield is active, s2 should still be active, right?

[coarse lake]

no

if she's dispel target she loses all 3 of these

[sweet obsidian]

i was thinking the issue was it breaking before 10 bullets, but a full dispel happening anyway, that's kind of a shame (not that rosanna burst could target her anyway, so it's still a net positive)

though she can just get it back by recovering her shield, but that's a different matter.

okay, that's good to know, ty

[wraith knot]

Rosanna dispel only highest attack right? She won't dispel label herself

[coarse lake]

if you build her strong enough for rosa dispel to target her instead, so that one of your dps keeps dr and lives snipe, that could work

but I still can't figure out a way to build a good comp around that

[sweet obsidian]

label gives herself 93% atk from s2

[leaden canyon]

oh so scar and cindy still work on defense against her as long as you run rosanna, cool

[spare nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/picayune-subarashiki-hibi-subahibi-sucks-mamiya-mamiya-tomosane-gif-10355512772193600232

[coarse lake]

depends on team setup

[sweet obsidian]

so if label is built for it, she can eat up a rosanna dispel

but the issue is doing that without it being weird

[wraith knot]

Is it enough to beat attacker tho?

[sweet obsidian]

it is, ya, all other things being equal

[coarse lake]

she can't beat my 40% atk attackers without cores and atk lines and stuff

[sweet obsidian]

93% is huge, defender attack isn't that crap

[coarse lake]

so that's high invest on this trash unit

[crystal flicker]

93% of defender atk is very small

[quick lake]

Thats 56% atker buff

[sweet obsidian]

all things being equal, isn't defender atk a third lower than attackers?

[quick lake]

Its alot. Liter buff functionally, with more gimmick

[coarse lake]

her base atk is like half of your cored attackers

[crystal flicker]

And your attacker gonna have tons of line + buffs

[restive willow]

defenders generally have 2/3 of the atk of attackers

[sweet obsidian]

so ya, if things were equal, it could work

but rn, label won't be doing that any time soon

at lb0, low gear and low doll

[quick lake]

Her buff is not bad. lb0 is just mid ig

[crystal flicker]

I mean her entire existence is Noah B1

[restive willow]

193% for defender is just 128.7% for attackers, so if your attacker has 3 atk OLs, they can easily beat out label with her own atk buff at max lv

[sweet obsidian]

then... just get label atk OLs?

it's not that complicated.

as mentioned, though, the feasibility of this is tbd.

[wraith knot]

I see

[quick lake]

atk OLs dont work for castor atk buffs

[coarse lake]

if label gets dispelled, she's losing her gen increase also, so your comp needs to have excess gen to begin with

[sweet obsidian]

the point is for the regular self atk buff to bait rosanna dispel

[coarse lake]

and in the first place, you gotta find a comp where you can utilize label dispel aggro while also being a good comp overall

[sweet obsidian]

nobody here is talking about her caster atk buff

[coarse lake]

I'm not even beginning to think of using her for her atk buff, she got way too many issues to sort out, if I want just raw b1 buff I run rh

[sweet obsidian]

which, i mean, is good, tbh, but for pvp, there's more important things

[restive willow]

raise label with 4 atk, that'd work consistently yeah as long as there aren't complications with core diff

[unique wagon]

damage reduction doesnt apply to shield is wild

[crystal flicker]

50% ATK line on label is just 30% ATK line for Attacker so

Oh

[restive willow]

it's literally 2/3 multiplier for attacker -> defender, and label with max s2 and 40% atk OL would require 62% atk from an attacker

[sweet obsidian]

assuming everything being equal, ya.

[restive willow]

ye

[sweet obsidian]

the point is, label baiting a rosanna dispel isn't that unreasonable

[sweet obsidian]

yeah, shield has always been its own entity.

[unique wagon]

the point is she su

[restive willow]

sounds decent for a b1 pick given the atk buff at b1 position, plus free blockage against scarlet and partially rosanna

but i don't know how to fit her in a team

[sweet obsidian]

she's pretty much just for offense. maybe CA defense, but that's still being figured out

attackers in other arenas can just not send elec vs label defense and her big gimmick is gone

[coarse lake]

If you run her any position that isn't p4 you already introduce instability in your comp, lost gen, skipped or delayed b1, giving enemy gen, etc

[sweet obsidian]

i was hoping her shield would be more annoying to deal with, but rip.

[coarse lake]

If you do that, rip biscuit invuln

[sweet obsidian]

and yeah, cuz of her redirecting attacks away from herself when shield breaks

[coarse lake]

Too many conflicting things

[sweet obsidian]

her as p1/2 is so unreliable

[coarse lake]

The only good thing I can say is at least she doesn't cause enemy to target skip

[indigo mist]

So Label just auto wins against scarlet / cindy comps by herself, or theres still some units that need to work with her?

[unique wagon]

Fast scar and cindy only

[sweet obsidian]

basically, yeah, if you encounter them in defense, label's got a good chance of hard countering them

[crystal flicker]

I bring Rosa

[sweet obsidian]

and guaranteed neuters rosanna cuz b1 (at least, partially)

only sAnis isn't hard countered by her

cuz 5s is too little

[onyx scaffold]

slow cindy doesn't care

[coarse lake]

I'd say most Rosa won't care

You gotta build a comp to either stack buffs or aggro the dispel

[onyx scaffold]

rosa is main dps tho

[sweet obsidian]

eh, that's fair, especially atm. too few people don't have a built label to bait a dispel with how built their attackers are

it'll take time for labels to be built for the average player to reach that point

[coarse lake]

And you can build around Rosa anyway when attacking

[unique wagon]

no, its instant if u got rocks

[onyx scaffold]

i dont think a built label can have much atk

[coarse lake]

Easier than building label

[sweet obsidian]

she can, but body diff is the big issue rn, lol

[onyx scaffold]

like if u can build label, your dps should still be better

[unique wagon]

68% * (1.9 + OL)

[sweet obsidian]

what matters is the raw atk stat

as long as she has a higher raw atk stat than the attackers, she'll bait one rosanna dispel

[indigo mist]

Whats the min amount of investment for label for her to counter the fast ele comps, does it have to be 10/10/10?

[sweet obsidian]

burst is trash

[coarse lake]

1/7/1 should be fine tbh

[unique wagon]

base maxed with s2 10, sr 15 doll, max cube is around 1.292 of Attacker's ATK which is MORE than enough

[coarse lake]

60% dr at 7

[sweet obsidian]

like 4/7(10)/1

[unique wagon]

I think it shud be 70%

[sweet obsidian]

all the good stuff is on s2

[quick lake]

Replace Moran with Label in this team Maybe got better chance to win 2RL Noah opponents

[coarse lake]

70 is at 10

[unique wagon]

yes u need 10 cus with doll 15 and temper , u get nearly 100%

[coarse lake]

Against what do you need that tho, live scar nuke, hit back, gg

[sweet obsidian]

i mean, that's just to herself, tho, not the whole team

[crystal flicker]

I think I wont pull Label from this banner

[unique wagon]

whole team

[sweet obsidian]

unless you're gonna give the whole team tempering cube too

ah, okay

[unique wagon]

yes of course tahts standard

[leaden canyon]

[coarse lake]

You live scar nuke already at 60

[leaden canyon]

If I could overload my label I would try lol

[coarse lake]

She's not worth the gold books

[unique wagon]

the only team thats weak to scar is Moran Nero and Label fixes that

[restive heart]

ohh so all in s2 10?

shiiii 🥀 💔

[wraith knot]

I meant, if you need extra cp

[coarse lake]

Stack ol lines for cp...

[wraith knot]

Heh

[restive heart]

i did s1 lv7

[unique wagon]

not enuf burst gen kek

[wraith knot]

Choose your devil i guess, rock or skill book

[restive heart]

idk if thats a bad thing lol

maybe 7-10-4

[unique wagon]

whats moran's job in stall team btw

[coarse lake]

Choose neither like a smart man, there are other ways around scar

[restive heart]

then ill settle

[sweet obsidian]

it's not, but it's overkill

[quick lake]

Dmg reduction mostly

[wraith knot]

Pretty much yeah

[sweet obsidian]

the shield scaling is not that big, and it's just the shield

though not as bad as burst hp scaling, so you had the right idea keeping that low

[onyx scaffold]

meh. i upgrade every useless skin to lv7 min for cp

[wraith knot]

And it breaks anyway, it breaks on p3 still from scar counter

[unique wagon]

what happens if I use label instead of moran in moran nero

[coarse lake]

You die to non elec nukes?

[tiny scroll]

Can pull because she's a goth mommy with big ones! But ya plenty of other ways to get around Scar.

[coarse lake]

Or just dps in general

[quick lake]

Not enough DR. Team dies to any nuke

[unique wagon]

define nuke

[restive heart]

so its needed to use label and moran together?

[wraith knot]

Died to vesti or sw ha

[unique wagon]

what happens if I replace nero instead

[wraith knot]

Who's your b2 then?

[unique wagon]

Idk

[quick lake]

Any Scar Trina equivalent nuke, will kill the team. I think Nero Moran is not as favored nowadays. Need high dupes and cores

[wraith knot]

There.. You can't b2

[unique wagon]

Label blocks Scar nuke so no Scar

[coarse lake]

Any of the other 4 teams really

Including Nero Moran itself

[crystal flicker]

I still choose Nero Moran

[restive heart]

any team suggestion to test my label

shii my rookie have the worst teams ever

[quick lake]

If my calcs are right, Scar Trina RH should still wipe against Label's dmg reduction

[quick lake]

Do we know where the ele DR is in the dmg formula? Same bracket as Dmg atk up?

[gaunt pulsar]

dmg reduction goes after all the damage

[coarse lake]

Separate

[gaunt pulsar]

it's final multi

[unique wagon]

damage reduction of ele is the same as damage taken reduction aka blanc's

[coarse lake]

Trina rh shouldn't kill

[wraith knot]

Nope, tried against 300k cp above, label still defend my helm

[unique wagon]

how much damage reduc is sr15

[coarse lake]

Rh herself needs to triple the DMG

[gaunt pulsar]

17

[quick lake]

Oh, if its same category as Blanc's dmg up, Scar Trina RH should still nuke

[unique wagon]

so 95% reduction is big

[quick lake]

Lemme test later

[unique wagon]

95% dmg reduc still nuke?

bro?

[wraith knot]

And my label s2 is still lv 8

[coarse lake]

If scar trina is just barely, adding rh won't kill even lvl 4 s2

[onyx scaffold]

blanc snow biscuit cindy label

[unique wagon]

idk

[storm hearth]

how is label?
is she there just to counter scar?

[coarse lake]

Basically yes

[storm hearth]

oh so shes pretty bad then lol
cus with her people will just cook another team without scarlet

[restive willow]

scarlet protection + b1 filler if need be? The atk up should still be decent

[unique wagon]

Moran Label shud work then

[coarse lake]

Just use bay as b2, label now has no job

[unique wagon]

yes she has, blocking Rosa

now ur helm doesnt get poofed because of ele adv

[coarse lake]

Sw does that unless linked

[restive heart]

just realized… he is bursting as helm instead of scar

[coarse lake]

And you gotta build label enough to steal dispel

[lunar pawn]

Anyone tested label yet?

[unique wagon]

rosa hits 2 targets. wdym swha can block it. both helm and swha will get poofed.

[coarse lake]

Or you just swap label for mana, also anti Rosa if low atk mana

[unique wagon]

that brings another problem

[onyx scaffold]

SSS tier against scarlet
B tier otherwise

but i dont use scarlet in Spa anymore

[coarse lake]

Sw removes rosa conceal, should give chance to live

[unique wagon]

Mana only revives 1 plus no defense against sgs on bad matchup

[storm hearth]

if shes blocking rosanna youre forced to have one b3 in the team and pray your label has enough atk for rosanna to at her

[lunar pawn]

So she's more of an attack rather than defense character

[unique wagon]

this label is so funny cus she blocks sg lmao because of weird concealment

[wraith knot]

Luckily my group still depend heavily on scarlet

[onyx scaffold]

if u use her with biscuit, it is already at least 40% winrate cuz scarlet and shotgun

[coarse lake]

Problem is if she blocks sg she's literally 0 gen

[unique wagon]

then just give more gen

[lunar pawn]

Guessing you're talking about CA and not SPA

[storm hearth]

so to counter her you basically just create a team without electric b3?
can she counter cindy?

[restive heart]

@onyx scaffold

[coarse lake]

And also if she blocks sg she can't aggro dispel

So you still get sniped

[quick lake]

Scar without Trina is useless tbh

[restive heart]

fr.
also didnt know that he bursting as helm instead of scar

[onyx scaffold]

how could SG team beat the team above -. -

[unique wagon]

good point

but rosanna doesnt burst faster

cus no fill so 2.5 RL at most

[coarse lake]

If unlinked Rosa + low ele sure might live, no conceal + Moran dr

[onyx scaffold]

so you are saying. SG team is not really a threat to be considered

[unique wagon]

3 RL actually

[restive heart]

[unique wagon]

if u burst at 2 RL u can get ur B2 to pop off too no?

[coarse lake]

What b2 tho

[unique wagon]

idk just pick one that doesnt kill u ig

[storm hearth]

nayuta

[coarse lake]

Still gonna need to find a way to beat stuff like vesti and sw and slow comps

[unique wagon]

ok what does rosanna do if there are 3 attackers

[crystal flicker]

This Scarlet Trina with 30% OL against Label-sheltered attacker, neutral ele

[coarse lake]

Although compared to Nero Moran, it's prob fine

Using up sw is very expensive tho

[coarse lake]

Left side prio

[unique wagon]

add tempering duh

[crystal flicker]

Tempering for Stall and P1 on CA only

[unique wagon]

no shit if ure using label u gotta use tempering just like moran

but on the whole team too just like moran

[storm hearth]

girl hits the first 2 attackers

[gaunt pulsar]

change to blanc pretty sure it will be higher

[crystal flicker]

Imma fix some stuff from this thing first

[swift mango]

Except in ca

[unique wagon]

Moran Label make ur team immune to fast scar
now blanc gets blocked too

[crystal flicker]

Oh ye Scarlet aint dealin nothing even with Blanc RH against Label

[onyx scaffold]

say again

[crystal flicker]

Crit tho

[unique wagon]

Label doesnt get damage reduc without shield

[coarse lake]

Block Blanc how

[unique wagon]

higher DR

[coarse lake]

You mean Blanc scar?

[unique wagon]

u have like idk 94-95% + Moran DR to offset Blanc

[coarse lake]

Blanc anything else beats it easily unless misindom

[unique wagon]

my msg says blanc scar though

[coarse lake]

I thought the Blanc part was separate

[swift mango]

But 3rl Scar+Blanc+RH though

[storm hearth]

can label tank vesti shots

[swift mango]

No

[unique wagon]

wrong element

[crystal flicker]

3RL Scarlet + Trina is enoughj

[storm hearth]

damn so shes really is here to counter electric
but how about cindy tho

[swift mango]

P1 label can give extra burst gen like Cindy when she is stun.

[unique wagon]

only fast cindy

not meta so

no one cares

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

3RL B3 hits at 5.44sec so Label's buff already gone

[coarse lake]

P1 label might be able to cause rl whiff

Min invest

[crystal flicker]

is this a sign to run slow Scarlet on CA

[graceful grotto]

How will she fit in CA I wonder

Maybe in HelmT team?

[crystal flicker]

HelmT is stall comp tho

[storm hearth]

oh ye how will label perform vs. a moran stall team

[swift mango]

This is 2024 we are back to 2.5rl scarlet+Blanc+RH meta allover again.

[strange linden]

I didn't we'd get label now, thought it would be in a week

[swift mango]

2.5rl teams and pray no one use 2rl reiT

[spiral onyx]

[quick lake]

Goat is here

[onyx scaffold]

are you going to make a vid about her before CA deadline or I need to wait for later?

[quick lake]

There's a debate on where to slot Label in CA comps cant find a team for her

[spiral onyx]

No, she's not really easy to showcase

[leaden canyon]

I mean isn't it just the slow cindy team so you can put blanc some where else?

[swift mango]

You probably need CA match up to really make vid about her.

[onyx scaffold]

exactly. i need team idea to yap about her

[spiral onyx]

She's awkward to fit in for sure. Her burst gen seems to be less than Mana's

[swift mango]

Especially if you get her stunned.

[spiral onyx]

But she effectively kills Scarlet and Cindy

[swift mango]

Not slow cindy

[onyx scaffold]

not slow scarlet

[spiral onyx]

The stun mechanic is actually kinda interesting

She can become a pseudo P5 tank

Against SG teams

[gloomy robin]

I'm looking for some help building an sp def team. How would this setup perform? Noteable units I'm missing: Emilia, T.Laplace, T.Bay, Ada (though I could build up my laplace if needed)

[swift mango]

We only have not-so-slow scarlet. Slow scarlet doesn't exist.

[spiral onyx]

Cause when she is stunned, she becomes target skipped

No death = no Rosanna burst gen = no SG team nuke. At least not for a few more shots

If there were no self stun, her usage would be pretty interesting

I guess she can also be a P1 tank as well as long as you have a backup B1

[swift mango]

You could probably see her in 3-4-5rl Cindy. And 2.5rl Moran.
That's it.

Maybe 2.5rl Biscuit+Noah/Blanc

[spiral onyx]

It's interesting cause her high atk buff gives her dual buffer usage

But strong dual buffer instant nuke units right now are kinda scarce

And you have burst gen issues

Another strong B3 with high burst gen would be nice

[swift mango]

Yeah, she could replace Rumani in a Biscuit+Blanc/Noah team. Slower team to 2.5rl. 2.5rl counter SW, Emi, Vesti 2rl

[spiral onyx]

The main meta change is really rookie and SP Arena

Attack got even easier lol

As if attack needed it

[swift mango]

Meta in Rookie and SpA is always CP.

[onyx scaffold]

well simply stop using scarlet there

[swift mango]

She doesn't matter

[spiral onyx]

You can mitigate CP diff

With that fat reduction

Not fully, but much better chance

[swift mango]

40% and even if you could tank the slash you would still lose.

[spiral onyx]

OG Sakura and invuln teams let you do that if the opponent teams were poorly formed

[swift mango]

Maybe you would be killed by other unit normal attack even before scarlet

[proven marsh]

Thanks again! #pvp-arena message this lineup worked.

[spiral onyx]

But yeah, RIP Scarlet

RIP Scarlet
Nov 4, 2022-Jan 15, 2026

[strange linden]

Yeah but for those around the same CP it's hell
I feel like I'm always playing tag by winning/losing all day against the same opponent
It's really annoying

[tulip quest]

how is she in C.A rate 1-10

[strange linden]

Can Label be used in DEF at least?

[sage kraken]

what is the PvP skill investment for Label?

[onyx scaffold]

4-7/7-10/4-7

[quick lake]

Maybe can skip investing in her for pvp. Mostly an pvp Atk unit

[onyx scaffold]

u can. nobody is gonna stop u

[spiral onyx]

Not enough cooking nor data to tell at the moment

[onyx scaffold]

u get your ass kicked regardless

[tulip quest]

aight she is pretty interesting tho

[sage kraken]

I just like her, so I'm investing XD

[spiral onyx]

I feel like she is going to be similar to Siren in terms of CA

[tulip quest]

but I ain't pulling im poor and collab might come

[spiral onyx]

Aka not necessarily used, but a factor to team build around and deter using certain setups

[swift mango]

No one knows until after another 2 CA.

[umbral crown]

[spiral onyx]

Well you should pull 1 unit for SP/Rookie

Keep your options available

[spiral onyx]

Poop colored name

[umbral crown]

[strange linden]

I feel like it can at least be used to protect one team weak to scarlet but then I don't know how you can protect from other nuke team

[unique wagon]

But sbs

[strange linden]

SP really feels unwinnable in DEF now

[tulip quest]

sbs bad these days because of biscuit

[unique wagon]

Thats not colored like that though

[swift mango]

We are back to 2.5rl scarlet meta.

[tulip quest]

and she needs buffer to make sure to wipe 5

[spiral onyx]

My cat's poo is that color

[unique wagon]

Its whitish unless

But is it urs

[tulip quest]

isn't meta devolving?

[unique wagon]

Devolution

Lets

[swift mango]

It goes around like fashion

[spiral onyx]

I legit pulled out a bunch of old cooks to try out since I wanted to avoid using Scarlet or Cindy this time around. Most of them failed

[unique wagon]

Hmmm

[tulip quest]

yea Label has gotten me mixed feelings concerning pvp

[onyx scaffold]

well yeah
if u run
team 1 noah
team 2 bay
team 3 label
you pretty much giving a middle finger to scarlet

[spiral onyx]

Old Helm stall team, old Scalter teams, old 2B teams, old Kilo teams, even old Privaty teams. They are too outdated and lose to modern meta teams. The meta creep is starting to show, aka all the old comps had one win condition but all the new ones have multiple plus various gimmicks

[umbral belfry]

asking this 4 hrs after her release + when it's not CA time yet

[swift mango]

@umbral crown remember you won CA with 2.5RL scarlet?
Time to bring it back.

[shell hazel]

still considering just throwing an SR-0 doll on her to make her usable with no materials

[tulip quest]

well I'am asking from the GOAT of pvp and his research experience could still be worth it tho got nothing to lose.

[umbral belfry]

[lunar pawn]

so label worth getting for SPA? or only CA?

[spiral onyx]

My research experience so far is like 30 minutes at 2am

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

just gonna roll her, use for sp atk whenever need be and chill

don't feel like playing rng in CA and praying I fight a fast scar/cindy out of 5 teams

[shell hazel]

you got no one to fight though too much f2p 😄

[onyx scaffold]

it is CA time !

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

shh

[onyx scaffold]

hime. cook a label team for me

pretty please

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

With current Meta from last CA. 2.5rl with her+Noah counter most teams.

[umbral belfry]

not interested

[spiral onyx]

Half of which was spent go0ning pulling for Label and getting multiple double pulls

[umbral belfry]

nor do I have space for her

[strange linden]

So Rosanna can't dispel label's DR then?

[shell hazel]

god my pulls kind of sucked lol

[umbral belfry]

she's still gonna be sp / rookie def and atk for me whenever I need her until I see something different

[swift mango]

She can but only on 2 units

[shell hazel]

120 pulls - no doubles as usual. 3 SSR (vestiTU, old mast, 1 label)

my vesti now core4

[unique wagon]

Old Keripo

[strange linden]

Wouldn't that be fine if it's against their main DPS?

[unique wagon]

Hello

From the Prydwen side

[swift mango]

Yeah but it could be not as well

[spiral onyx]

Here's the current issue with the scaling right now with CA. Before dolls and before Tempering, all the blue units were feasible if properly supported with sufficient buffers. But now, only the green ones are sufficient. Continual damage units like SAnis and Ein also fall off hard cause if there's any kind of healing or mitigation on the other team, the damage falls short

[unique wagon]

Btw Keri did u win recent CA

[spiral onyx]

But of that green, Scarlet and Cindy are now oof'd

[swift mango]

My current SpA scarlet is with Rosa. So kinda counter Label if people don't know what to do with their team.

[spiral onyx]

No lmao I got eliminated in the prelims due to unlucky matchups. Then that person got destroyed in the first or second round, I forgot

[shell hazel]

I guess Cindy can still work but yeah oof if you meet a label team, still 1/5

[spiral onyx]

The previous CA I won with a pretty solid record in most of my matchups though

[shell hazel]

rng arena ftw

[swift mango]

Add Bay+Blanc+Noah+Rosa it's 5/5

[shell hazel]

slow cindy still counters most of that though

[swift mango]

I mean scarlet 5/5 lose

[spiral onyx]

Truly. I did a quick check and pretty much every other matchup combo would have resulted in a 4-1 or 3-2 win for me

[shell hazel]

yeah I was already cooking ways to remove her from SPA before label was even announced

and CA

Hime - cook for me please

[tropic summit]

doesn't this tell you enough?
#pvp-arena message

[umbral belfry]

also I'm not sure how true this is at least vs my meta bracket

scar - you were winning anyways unless noah too slow. you confirm the scar soda win with label though

sgs - should win but without label this was likely a win too

slow cindy - dependent if lib was on your team / unchanged before label

vesti - if the vesti is good it's gg

moran noah mirror - side dependent (if rh dies)

not really much changes

[spiral onyx]

I hate the slow Cindy comp so much because it's so dirty and non-deterministic. Even if it has a high win rate, I prioritized replacing it first

[umbral belfry]

so my stance remains the same unless something crazy happens

[fiery parcel]

Is there an updated pvp tier list now?

[umbral belfry]

oh I forgot sw indom. you're cooked there regardless tho like most teams

[shell hazel]

yeah not a fan of it either though it was pretty effective for me

[strange linden]

Maybe they should change the win condition on SP to be 3 wins now
It might be possible now

[umbral belfry]

slow cindy is the key to beating sw indom though unless misindom

therefore its staying

[tropic summit]

hard to make an accurate one while SU keeps f*ing with units strong on attack and abusable on defense
plus you need to elaborate, at this point we've 3 tierlists

attack
defense
CA

your teams may perform differently based on the modes above

for a generic point of view you can still refer to prydwen

[fiery parcel]

I just got label and snuwhite

Are they replacing any of my defense team?

[loud sonnet]

[spiral onyx]

CA is still in "beta" atm

[tropic summit]

depends what your teams are, swha can add burst gen and add offburst dmg so probably there's something you can replace
label is situational, which means on def she'll be weaker

[onyx scaffold]

no cuz cp diff
2/3 wins allow u to focus on 2 teams so u can reach the cp req to avoid cp penalty

[spiral onyx]

I'll be revamping my tier list to be CA focused cause Rookie and SP is literally either attack always wins or credit card always wins

[onyx scaffold]

3/3 wins simply favor the whales harder than it is already

[tropic summit]

agreed, waste of time until SU decides to actually bother adding QoL to these forgotten modes

[spiral onyx]

They wouldn't though because the current system favors spending money lol

[onyx scaffold]

they dont forget them. they release label to bait the pvp whales

[tropic summit]

replace scarlet, she's useless on def now

jackal swha flex blanc centi
in flex spot put someone who helps you hit 2RL or 91% to 2.5RL and does not feed

[spiral onyx]

I'm convinced CA is level equalized only because the original mode was implemented as such and they never changed it

[tropic summit]

yeah obviously...

[umbral belfry]

I sense a lower rank building label rn to take out your t2 or t3

thanks label

[spiral onyx]

Twitter engagement numbers disagree

[onyx scaffold]

level equalized so they can sell dupes and rocks better

[tropic summit]

also agreed, also it's cost effective, took little effort to implement because it's literally simulated battle, which is what happens already to rookie and sp arena matches, just that teams are inputted once and then put against each others randomly

[spiral onyx]

Non PvP folks are gonna roll for her regardless

[umbral belfry]

g o o ns

[spiral onyx]

And doujinshi artists are gonna capitalize on that popularity

I, for one, very much look forward to C108

[fiery parcel]

Actually, eqsier for me to list what i dont have:
Missing csm & rezero
Missing xanne,xrupee, xmica
Missing crow, emmaTU, isabel and crust

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[fiery parcel]

Can build 3 teams for defense?

[onyx scaffold]

check pin

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[onyx scaffold]

but ignore scarlet teams

[tropic summit]

@quick lake gonna need to killeroni fast cindy and scarlet teams from the pin i guess when you got time

[spiral onyx]

Missing Emilia is probably a pretty major setback. The others aren't so important unless you cook a lot for CA and use niche units like Makima XAnne, XMica

[onyx scaffold]

it is not a setback if nobody in the bracket has her either

[spiral onyx]

True

[tulip quest]

FOREVER

[strange linden]

Is Emilia still used for her burst or just for her burst gen? I'm only using her for the latter lately

[gloomy robin]

could I get some help on this? Not sure about the 2nd team being viable

[fiery parcel]

I ahvent done pvp in the last 6 months. Need to read up again

[spiral onyx]

Could be worse. Could be forever alpha like Star Citizen

[onyx scaffold]

just try it and make a new set once u are beaten

[tropic summit]

double buffed delayed nuke or just emi behind noah team can still have usage, her indom option is also still decent as alternative to vesti/SWHA if you using them for other teams

[tropic summit]

pick 3 teams on 2RL/2.5RL with your most invested units

[gloomy robin]

aight

[tropic summit]

how many years has that been milking kickstarters

one of the best scams i've seen

[onyx scaffold]

even a shit mode like surface content is not here yet

[tropic summit]

can we just not implement it at all, please?

it's worse than minigames we get from regular events, in fact just make the best minigame into surface content and put a stone on it

[onyx scaffold]

i need that 0.6 rock daily

that is already my 40% rock income

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

that extra 0.6 rock daily income that gets you 1 extra def/hit rate line

[swift mango]

better than nothing

[onyx scaffold]

i use it to reroll %. cannot get hit rate

[strange linden]

Maybe with the full version we get a full 1 rock daily as well

[shell hazel]

I was sad when it wasn't open 🙁

[tropic summit]

ah yes reroll ele from 22% to 9%, a classic

[strange linden]

Also remember the hexacode stats

[tropic summit]

good i can push snek faster

[swift mango]

they want to milk campaign more

so nope

[spiral onyx]

The problem right now is there's too many delayed nukers who depend on sustained protection. There's Emilia, SWHA, VestiT, and Cindy but there's only Blanc and Noah. There's also units with continual damage aspects that could be made viable/more viable like Scarlet and Ein and even SSakura, but Blanc is better used with one of the prior mentioned B3s. What we really need is more Blanc/Noahs. Not immitations like Bay, Moran, Noise or XSoline.

[tropic summit]

that's nice and dandy for CA, but the other modes? attackers gonna do 3/3 everytime

i'd rather they focused on fixing the other modes over CA that gives 0 returns

the paradox atm is that the more units you release, the easier it gets to attack and harder to defend

they need to grow balls and add boons to defense or defense only units

[spiral onyx]

It's funny cause I was mentioning earlier to my guildies would be great if Label was a PvP B1 buffer with decent burst gen, we don't have many of those. Well turned out she is... but also turned out that wasn't really the missing piece in team building

[swift mango]

Vesti could be used with Absolute, no need bursting.

[leaden canyon]

Every time I use vesti absolute it never goes well

[spiral onyx]

Nikke is a casual game for PvP but this same thing happened with Etheria Restart, which is PvP focused. Scarlet there was undisputed R1 and we literally had a lookup table for each defence team to the point that GvG ties were more or less guaranteed given attackers had 5 attack attempts and could reuse gear but defenders only had 3 teams that split up gear. There were defence buffs but 90% of them did nothing meaningful and were clearly not tested

[swift mango]

it goes well if you are whaling enough. Bring Mast+Another off burst buffer/dps too. not just absolute.

[tropic summit]

jesus that sounds like hell

[spiral onyx]

I test matrixed this against my other teams. Literally went 0-4 lol

[leaden canyon]

Have not tried it with maids yet

[swift mango]

you should text it against guy lower investment than you.

[spiral onyx]

It won against all the scrappy old teams that didn't have fallback/defensive mechanics, but against most of the modern teams, it wasn't strong enough

[swift mango]

Normal mast

[swift mango]

did you build vesti with Crit and use her with Mast+Maybe Lappy full offensive as well?

[spiral onyx]

I remember when CA was first announced but there was no mention of equalized levels, my plan was literally run 5 teams of MGs/SGs lol

[leaden canyon]

damn another unit to overload

I still have not built soda

Need rocks and credits

[spiral onyx]

I've already dumped over 100 rocks on my Vesti to get her with all atk and cs lines. If I dump another 200+ for crit lines, my UR planners will burn me at the stake lol

We have a "UR bricked" investments checklist and my account literally has the longest list

[swift mango]

So glad I'm in a casual union. No one care even if I can't get Ele line to save my life.

[signal hull]

Am I understanding Label's burst right: she gets 10 sec invulnerability, like if Biscuit had cast it on her?

[quaint anchor]

Im UR bricked cuz mobile gamer

[swift mango]

for her shield, she could still die

[spiral onyx]

If she bursts and if her shield is still up

Two rough conditions

[signal hull]

U-huh, so unreliable af...

[swift mango]

You mean she won't die if she has shield?

[signal hull]

That's technically what burst says, no?

[lean sphinx]

Doesn’t she gain a shield whenever she activates her burst when not having the shield (Not in Delusion status)

[signal hull]

"The shield created by Label become invulnerable for 10 sec"

[lean sphinx]

The shield is invincible for 10s, not Label. Unless it was tested with pierce she would die from it still.

[spiral onyx]

No, she just has an infinite shield. Pierce and RL still goes through I think

[bleak shale]

Haven't tested but ^ also proc dmg like sanis sbs and SW should go through

[swift mango]

She automatically recreate shield if she burst anyway so she would always has shield

[bleak shale]

I'm pretty sure shield and decoy r different I that aspect where decoy actually stops some targeted procs with traveling projectiles

But I forgot

[spiral onyx]

They could have made her way more powerful

[signal hull]

I just run her in one game and even before burst her shield got depleted once and she got stunned x_x What a confusing character and she cost me so much, I regret everything already!

[spiral onyx]

Half glad they didn't

[forest zodiac]

so she is prettyy much skip?

[lean sphinx]

Yeah, should be the order of layers:
decoy > shield > cover > hp

[onyx scaffold]

if u need to ask, yes, she is

[forest zodiac]

or CA material at most?

[quaint anchor]

label seems like she could be used in attack but for defense, she can be worked around to beat

[spiral onyx]

I mean, yes, shields don't last very long against 5 units and her skill tells you that she gets self stunned

[swift mango]

could use some rouge/aniti meta CA build

[spiral onyx]

I plan to use her this CA but I don't think at her full potential

Not enough time to cook

Not enough sleep to cook

[lean sphinx]

30.4% hp shield, unless you have a lot of HP + something else to boost it

[quaint anchor]

you saying c7

[bleak shale]

If u place her in p1/2 u also give ur opponent free extra gen on rl cuz shield counts as extra entity

Iirc

[spiral onyx]

Her shield melts to the first volley of SGs lol

[bleak shale]

[lean sphinx]

At least she wont get targeted after that

[quaint anchor]

still waiting for xsoline to come home

got delta ninja during label pulls so i stopped pulling

[onyx scaffold]

Label counters Scarlet in SpA
Careful commanders will stop using Scarlet, so if you pull her, it is possible that you won't need to use her.

in CA, she might be considered as an improvement. like replace mihara for her and u can guarantee a win against scarlet but it is pretty all for now.
remember that we might get more electric dps in the future but i wouldn't cope on future proof,
sakura was a lesson

[bleak shale]

The first time I read the kit I read it wrong and was like wait she stuns the enemy team when it breaks? That can't be right. Then I read it again

[spiral onyx]

Enabling 1RL attack teams, LFGGGGG

[unique wagon]

Your fault for whaling too little

Whale more

[spiral onyx]

Game doesn't even put enough rocks in the cash shop

[unique wagon]

Yes

[spiral onyx]

And what you mean, I'm F2P

[unique wagon]

F2p BTW

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/mona-f2pbtw-genshin-impact-gif-19375013

[bleak shale]

Keripo has been f2p for the last 2 minutes he's been here

[spiral onyx]

See my Discord tag

[swift mango]

She is still a powerful b1. And Scarlet is the main thread for 2.5rl team in CA meta right now.

[quaint anchor]

f2p means free to pay btw

[forest zodiac]

hmm, that actually sounds kinda useful because I don't know much and use noise + noah etc against scar

so that could free them up?

[spiral onyx]

She's not limited so she can be wishlisted

[onyx scaffold]

if your opponent still uses scarlet, sure

[forest zodiac]

plenty of em

[spiral onyx]

People still use Scalter apparently despite Sakura existing

[onyx scaffold]

literally all of them. for now

[bleak shale]

I think scalter's bigger problem is biscuit dust dmg

[forest zodiac]

not sure if there will be people using her after shuffle, but my current bracket is filled with scarlet

[spiral onyx]

People also use Liberalio

[bleak shale]

Sakura is very limited in alot of people's boxes

[quaint anchor]

probs cuz most people's scarlet is built and during attack, it can easily just be shifted to hit different teams even if label counters it

i still use scarlet one of my strongest team

[spiral onyx]

She's in the common pool and can be wishlisted

[forest zodiac]

you mean actual sakura not ssakura?

[quaint anchor]

i plan on removing lib soonTM once i build my TUVesti so probs in few months at current rock income

[bleak shale]

I get my wishlist like a year later and they have to be actively trying to get her which pve players don't anymore

[swift mango]

i mean, Sakura offer less burst gen and atk buff. She is anti meta for a rouge option.

[bleak shale]

Wishlist very full with good units

[onyx scaffold]

from what i have recalled, keripo was the one who promoted sakura the most here

i have always known that sakura doing nothing cuz poor ppl like me cannot afford investing in her

[bleak shale]

I just ran my biscuit into sbs, blocked the shots anyways and more general investment

[quaint anchor]

im waiting for someone to make a team build for swha so i can copy and paste in spa

[spiral onyx]

Cause she straight up disables Scalter during a time when maincord was full of people whining asking how to beat X and Y teams but also not being willing to invest into new units to beat said X and Y teams

People straight up message me being like "this guy has 2x my CP and I don't have Noah or Noise or Jackal or any of the PvP units you listed, how do I beat him?"

Also, her summer version looks pretty

She wore it better than Rapi

[swift mango]

I would stop reading at "x2 my CP" and told him to give up.

[quaint anchor]

real

[onyx scaffold]

tell him to swipe harder

[quaint anchor]

can i beat someone with 200 level advantage over me

[leaden canyon]

I'm all about that summer rosanna

If only she was used more

[tulip quest]

Forced 2 Pay?

[quaint anchor]

im never beating this guy and i feel like he probs never got hit ever since he joined my bracket

[leaden canyon]

oooof

[onyx scaffold]

yes if he uses one single uninvested R unit

[quaint anchor]

hey on bright side, last reshuffle removed rank 2 who was 100 levels lower than him at the time

[bleak shale]

Oh it's jeff

[swift mango]

beat him irl

[quaint anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/trickcal-slap-gif-1280992943587882672

[spiral onyx]

That's the last piece of info they share.
"How do I beat Scarlet teams?"
"Use Noah"
"I don't have Noah"
"Use Blanc"
"I don't have Blanc"
"Use Jackal and some healer"
"I don't have Jackal"
"I dunno, run some faster Scarlet team"
"I don't have Scarlet"
"Ok fine, just run all your highest CP units"
"Ok, I tried that and still lost in 2s"
"How? Shouldn't you have higher CP than him?"
"No, he's 40 levels higher than me"
"..."
"Please help, I really want to win"

[quaint anchor]

time to swipe - literally the answer

[spiral onyx]

And this is why I never cook for people anymore lol

[quaint anchor]

im happy being in 4-6 getting 2700 gems

[tulip quest]

Nightmare of a helping session

[spiral onyx]

@graceful marsh You're being watched

[quaint anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-1878760417600646737

tell him im hoping he moves out of my bracket in the next reshuffle and no whales join in his spot

[torn obsidian]

guys should i run label

surely everyone benches scarlet right

[bleak shale]

I like Jeff 🙁

[quaint anchor]

before jeff and some other guy that's been shuffled out, it used to be skyjlv