pvp-arena

[kindred blade]

Thanks. brb

[hollow lagoon]

depends on the scaling but noir+ siren build i guess

[tropic summit]

make it happen

[hollow lagoon]

will never reload

[tropic summit]

MG team with infinite ammo and a nikke that buffs damage based on shot count without reloading

https://tenor.com/view/triage-x-anime-hitsugi-sayo-shooting-machine-gun-gif-17054411

[hollow lagoon]

has to be siren if u wanna prevent reload during qte

[tropic summit]

looks good, your new CP is above 229k?

(with SWHA)

[kindred blade]

almost

[tropic summit]

maybe you got something to upgrade SWHA, blanc vestiTU jackal or helmT?

especially SWHA and helmT since you using them for SR and campaign

a bit of doll upgrade probably does the job

you could take away tempering cube from helmt and give her higher lvl cube too

[kindred blade]

yeah HelmT and VestiTU is already maxed. Blanc and SWHA is not tho.

[tropic summit]

blanc would love SR5 or SR15 doll

and maxed s3

[kindred blade]

Okay, thanks. All that’s left is just some investment, right?

[tropic summit]

ye you need 230k then that team should win during indom phase

the only variable is if they've CS% to hit nayuta B2 before you apply indom, but you should still survive it

unbuffed nayuta won't hit for link weak as you not running iron code oops you've jackal, so ye link hit also on ele weak

should be around 40-60%hp gone at their B2 and you've HP then recovered by blanc at B2 right after

you're still taking ele weak damage from swha and helmt although

tempering should keep you alive

[kindred blade]

Thanks alot for the help!

[tropic summit]

no problem, worst case scenario if it's still too much early dmg we can remove fire code for a different code that reduces ele dmg on link

[glad meteor]

Save mats to exchange

[tropic summit]

let him 🧱

then we can laught at him together

[haughty mortar]

So smexy goth gf is pvp viable?

[haughty mortar]

I mean she got bubble and attack buffs

[tropic summit]

@swift mango

i'll still take the ASMR

[gritty ridge]

I didnt like makima

The entire manga

[versed mesa]

I will never in a billion years understand this shit.

[tropic summit]

she's one of those characters that make you change your opinion, well built on that front

[tropic summit]

very fragile human beings, they do exist sadly

[gritty ridge]

Reze>>>power>asa>makima

[tropic summit]

10/10 would get my tongue bitten off by reze

[gritty ridge]

Power is only below reze cuz I genuinly dont think I could be in the same room as her

[tropic summit]

she's either gonna play cards with you or murder you, no in between

[gritty ridge]

No not that

Shes gonna reek

Wait, put kobeni on the asa tier

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/kobeni-bomb-devil-reze-chainsaw-man-kobeni-higashiyama-gif-11416772460106406484

[gritty ridge]

Shes a stressed out queen

I would play ddr with her

[winter kraken]

next season/ tomorrow, gonna just chill in no. 4 spot. gonna be bliss not dealing with this arena. which is funny to be number 4 bc only two people in my group can beat my defense so you'd think i can chill in 3, but no, the targeter puts me to 4 perm using gems since like 6 people in the group can beat him. very annoying lmao

[lunar pawn]

meanwhile me not following CSM

I did read fire punch so I know what to expect of the writer

[shell hazel]

I mean how dare she get married and find happiness?

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-gif-23610255

[radiant coral]

Dang they stripped the doll’s clothes off

Fans be doing some wild shit just to express their hatred

[gaunt pulsar]

first time won against 1.6 rl team(with my feed) just because someone didnt finished OLing/leveling their doll for jackal, she just died right as she was about to press the button

[signal hull]

Never really used Bay in SpA - I'm trying to figure out her absorb mechanic

• does she needs to burst to absorb aoe burst or is it just one first "overkill" damage that she automatically absorbs?
• is OG Scar the only character she can counter like this? I never really bothered to research Liberalio, who's burst seems close to Scar.

[gaunt pulsar]

she needs to burst to absorb but at the same time she should burst ideally slightly before enemy nuke because when she bursts she starts to share dmg that whole team receives, and 92.9% of that damage goes to her cover, so if you burst and just sit there waiting before enemy burst happens you get a bunch of damage that could potentially destroy her cover completely ruining her utility. And vs Liberealio nuke i've never seen her hold agains't and block properly

best block against lib is noah or reverse nuke indom

[glacial haven]

@tropic summit @glad meteor The results are in...

[versed mesa]

Less than an hour for those juicy Core Dust boxes from Story 2 Hardmode

[umbral belfry]

juicy

[lean ore]

Do y'all just hold core boxes indefinitely or do you drop every time you reach 10 additional levels?

[ivory violet]

Usually only if ppl can hit certain breakpoints like 361, 381 bc they give big jumps in cp. Or for example next month we're getting new story chapters so some people hold until then

Over a few years in your account it'll add up to like, a level or two

However there is a coredust jump where you go from 93/hr to 102/hr it's pretty worth it to hold them for that jump

[shell hazel]

no rocks today thanks @umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

[wind kelp]

Someone hit me 5 times in rookie arena, had a test case SW:HA team on defense, and i felt like "Eeeeh....i don't wanna bother" 😄

[nimble root]

Woo I've locked down Challenger 6 now @tropic summit the absolute GOAT

[shell hazel]

you chicken out I see?

https://tenor.com/view/they-were-right-you-are-a-chicken-i-knew-it-scaredy-cat-dont-be-a-chicken-gif-16062099

[wind kelp]

I'll throw their team here tomorrow, should be fine :p Just at 2300 your brain goes "Iiiii dun wanna" 😄

[shell hazel]

we don't raise no chickens round here

[arctic jewel]

Cringe

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-gif-7202518248086882735

[arctic jewel]

So apparently the VAs are supposed to be the same fictional character that they voice... and also have a relationship with all random fans... sigh...

[rustic sandal]

Uh... how?

[rustic sandal]

Delusional animals.

[tropic summit]

very

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor was he supposed to be on deficit? i don't remember

[arctic jewel]

Damn right you're goated ❤️

[tropic summit]

@glacial haven for reference can you show the CP of matchup in T1?

#pvp-arena message

feels like you were in deficit and might be able to pad it out to fix it

[arctic jewel]

I just wished I could get the necessary resources for upgrading faster xD

[open jewel]

Does anyone know a team comp that would counter Jackal/Vesti TU/ Xmaiden/blanc/ Treasure Laplace?

[versed mesa]

I feel ya, two of my opponents got to a breakoff point for that big CP boost, right on the cusp of next season too. I'm not too far off from mine but first few days might be rough.

[tropic summit]

bayT will nullify any 1hit nuke, as far as i know that'd be

• Scarlet, pmaid, reiT, bsoda

bayT won't nullify specific unit or multi hit nukes like:

• emilia, liberalio

cinderella can be fully or partially negated depending on cover and timing, although realistically on same speed she tends to deny the first hits but not followup hits

cindy full absorb: #pvp-arena message

[arctic jewel]

I'm really lucky that I haven't been contested for almost 3 months from my 2nd placement, I'm just not gonna bother for the 1st placement until I get 3 very solid teams for SP

Also... I would love to upgrade my raid Nikkes some beautiful day...

And for Tower as well

[versed mesa]

I was like that for 6 months, but the 3rd Anniversary reshuffle put 3 of my worst opponents all in the same group. Hoping atleast one gets shuffled elsewhere and of course that no one worse gets put in their place

[arctic jewel]

At least I've got past Mother Whale in Missilis Tower pretty recently, so I have the 1st placement for now

[arctic jewel]

Oh? That's a thing? I didn't know that

[versed mesa]

Yeah every 3 months or so, end of this month will be next. Of course if there isn't enough people in the same range to fill multiple groups...

[wind kelp]

Oh right, reshuffle incoming at 21st. Have to see if i get more than 1 opponent in top 5 😄

[arctic jewel]

No wonder why this random guy that used to be 2nd placement a few months ago just disappeared from my group

[tropic summit]

a few options on that one

1) mirror indom with units that have higher firerate (ammo and reload timing dependant so beware)

• (scarlet, RRH)

2) overly invested moran to tank it out

• moran noah trina biscuit helmt

3) midhara sacc + indom

• blanc biscuit midhara biscuit flex (4RL or 5RL)

4) kill the 2 attackers and force an xmaiden B3 to be stuck on p1 invulnerable/indom

• nayuta rosanna jackal helmT vestiTU (needs rosanna 7/10/10, SR15, atk 40%, p5 can be flex burst gen flex like emilia, laplaceT, swha... etc, rosanna needs to be linked)

[glacial haven]

No defict.

[tropic summit]

wew that just straight up damage from scarlet and swha then uh

@glad meteor we require a new strategy

[arctic jewel]

This is the first time I've seen Quency in PvP

[tropic summit]

she's a good sacc target due to dual weapon and water code

as you can see at the start she near instantly dies to scarlet

[arctic jewel]

Let me take a look

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor maybe we can reach at least B2 nayuta to help finish the work?

[arctic jewel]

That went fast

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor or this but i dunno if SWHA hits in time for 2RL

can still deny with quency in p2 and nayuta in p1 some RL burst gen tho, at that point it's probably fixed

[glad meteor]

p5 vesti would have won, sw elemental too op ,

[tropic summit]

swha gave her a little too strong shower

[glacial haven]

I though that too. Maybe switch helm and vesti ?

[rustic sandal]

I guess I can't beat this guy? Geez. After dealing with Kiett, I thought I can maintain my Rank 1 in Rookie...

[glad meteor]

Can try that, or the nayuta team the other person gave earlier

[tropic summit]

noah or blanc would fix this but you lack both

[rustic sandal]

Exactly.

I guess I'm forever screwed

[tropic summit]

not far forever you're bound to obtain those units at some point

[rustic sandal]

Depends man.

[tropic summit]

just be patient till then, rookie is meaningless anyway

just a practice ground

[rustic sandal]

2 years ago, I went through 8 months without Noah and Scarlet, while having a Cored Isabel.

[glad meteor]

Maybe, matter of ros survival, if sw shot too late

[rustic sandal]

This was way before Crown and the rest.

So the pool of Pilgrims aren't that much.

And STILL. IT'S ALWAYS ISABEL WHO SHOWS UP.

[tropic summit]

cursed

[rustic sandal]

Also I noticed these two mfers are on the same Union. They're literally passing me around like a basketball.

Like bro, attack each other instead of me!!

[tropic summit]

ignore it it's rookie

do your 5 attempts daily and you're fine

[rustic sandal]

I know. It's just funny.

The two of them are overcompensating because they can't touch me in SPA.

[tropic summit]

that's normal pettiness in rookie, there always will be boolies

[glacial haven]

@tropic summit This team you say? Against T1?

[tropic summit]

that's a team that gets p1 and p2 invulnerable, while nayuta is unkillabled first 9 seconds

essentially ensuring you've at least 3 units alive and bursting

thing is that suggestion doesn't account for the units you're using in T3

[rustic sandal]

Truth.

It doesn't help that they're only targeting me specifically.

[versed mesa]

SWHA SR15! Let's go!

[glacial haven]

Don't tell me about it.

[tropic summit]

let them, it doesn't change a thing to you, rookie rewards are nearly the same

for all it matters you could let them stack points and hit them back only the last 2 or 3 days to get it all back

[versed mesa]

Yeah for me Rookie is just whatever, I do my 5 fights each day and leave it.

[glacial haven]

True. That T1 is proving to be a quite headache. What about T2? Think we could have better luck?

[tropic summit]

i wouldn't change approach, T1 and T3 are now solved

just go with kara suggestion and T1 should be fixed

[rustic sandal]

Yeah. But I can't counter that Jackal team yet.

[tropic summit]

then simply ignore, you're not gonna lose out on anything

[tight finch]

Is the cindy tanking if your faster? I was surprised sw didn't die 🤔

[rustic sandal]

[tropic summit]

@rustic sandal here's reward based on daily ranking and season ranking, as you can see you could just hang around top 12

[rustic sandal]

The fights are getting closer. The fact that I'm only winning because of Helm burst sustain is crazy.

[glad meteor]

Holy speed

[tropic summit]

oh they actually managed to survive cindy B3 while on midhara DoT? dayum

[rustic sandal]

Shouldn't jackal be in between Scarlet and Soda?

[quartz vortex]

can i win this?

[rustic sandal]

Something about 10 shots.

[tropic summit]

yeah you're faster, prefer an instant nuker or just snipe link with buffed helmT

[glad meteor]

Jackal in p5 to get feed from sgs

[rustic sandal]

Oh okay. I forgot what her kit is like.

[glad meteor]

Sgs have 10 pellets so each sg shot equal 3.55bg

[glacial haven]

Sorry to bother, but i cant find their suggestion. Is this the one you're saying? @tropic summit

[quartz vortex]

wow its the first time i win against this guy

[tight finch]

Idk if its because I slowed their burst from stunning rumani. Want to try swap LM for soline once she has OL. love my Moran comps just need more rocks to give her

[glacial haven]

Yes it is.

[tropic summit]

@glacial haven confirm with kara but i think it would be this

[quartz vortex]

used to run this

[glacial haven]

@glad meteor Is this alright?

[tropic summit]

ye that helps a bit, still wild swha lived, moran makes sense

[tropic summit]

lib slow... she takes 1RL to land nuke

[glad meteor]

Yeah. I was thinking that change would do it

[quartz vortex]

eventually ill get to scarlet surely

[tropic summit]

or vestiTU

[quartz vortex]

oh true theres her too

[rustic sandal]

After

Libe SR doll
Nayuta SR doll
SWHA R doll

I'm broke

[glacial haven]

Alright. When the opportunity comes, may I ping you both again? This 'blessed person' isn't in challenger 3 right now, so I'm unable to attack him. @glad meteor @tropic summit Same deal as before?

[rustic sandal]

How do dolls affect PvP?

Other than more cover HP, and the other boosts.

[quartz vortex]

im actually surprised i got to 3rd the two others i dont even want to try

[glad meteor]

Feel free to ping

[tropic summit]

damage reduction and increased stats

also extra CP

[vapid lake]

@glad meteor

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

synchro 242 against synchro 358 and 478 is essentially impossibru

[rustic sandal]

Most of my PvP units have dolls. But just R...

I leave the SR dolls to campaign units first.

[quartz vortex]

literally everyones 300-400 and theres these 2

[glacial haven]

Basically this. Depends on what doll you're levelling up, the stats change.

[rustic sandal]

So SR dolls give damage reduction.
Yeesh...

[glacial haven]

Just for the sake, this is a SG doll.

[glacial haven]

Cover, and if I'm not wrong, some ELE DMG. But take this damage with a grain of salt.

[rustic sandal]

Alright. Thank you.

[glacial haven]

For SR and RL.

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit stealing my roll luck again

[tropic summit]

who's dis @rail, sounds like a bad guy

[hollow lagoon]

7 rocks not a single ele

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/eat-eating-bread-tasty-delicious-gif-16892723735751026218

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cute-kitten-kiss-gif-6588078957197429086

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit should be good here, yeah?

[glacial haven]

Check burst gen for T1.

[swift mango]

Fan is weird sometime. I'm not really into the voice actress gig

[gritty ridge]

What abt it? Im 2rl

[glad meteor]

some people crazy bro

[swift mango]

I'm about 100 rocks in and 2 Ele 2 atk on different pieces.

[glacial haven]

Noah's burst must be up before rosannas kicks in.

[glad meteor]

How people treat idols and va’s there is kinda funny to me, they get mad they have personal lives

[tropic summit]

why mirror scarletto? you can indom T2, T1 is prolly fine

[gritty ridge]

Cuz its funny

Scar with no jack almost always loses mirror

[gritty ridge]

Rosa has a very hard time being lethal through noise burst

[tropic summit]

personally i'd go

T1
noah bis cindy helmt rumani

T2
noise jackal swha bay laplaceT
or
jackal vestiTU blanc centi flex (swha, laplaceT etc)

[gritty ridge]

I ran what I sent, the got moran to half health with first volley and then they did pebbles of dmg lmao

[nimble root]

Oof I really need to finish my SWHA

[gritty ridge]

Moran is so nice

Free sg wall

[covert lintel]

I can't 30% deficit
My best is around 23%

[tropic summit]

oh oke noice

[tropic summit]

it's rare to see you fight without deficit

[glad meteor]

Some cn peeps kill her with sugar and boda strong ele

[glacial haven]

It's simply good practice and ensuring nothing goes wrong.

[tropic summit]

oke that's reasonable then

[gritty ridge]

Ik, these whippersnappers dont know whats gonna hit em lmao

[swift mango]

I remember you used to did close to 30% with Miranda. It was long ago, against that siren+Noise CP pad team.

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/power-chainsaw-man-csm-glasses-smart-gif-27523744

[gritty ridge]

Scar killed siren btw

Counters alone

[covert lintel]

i think that was 21~22%

[swift mango]

Then my bad. @tropic summit

I'm a quack.

[tropic summit]

don't worry i think you're still right on the miranda approach tho

you showed me proof that you're really close with double buff + crit

and backed it up with video evidence so

[glad meteor]

I nuke a team with high deficit, but was a bum team and I had double buff cindy

[swift mango]

I lied and picked SW looks prettier than before and got 100 points.

[tropic summit]

next step building your moran so that she does this
#pvp-arena message

who'd win, a ex-heretic on full HP who could probably wipe earth on a whim if she wanted to, or a literal fool with glasses that increase her -1 intelligence to 0?

[swift mango]

@leaden canyon maybe buy this if you lack Credit ?

[tight finch]

What are ideal moran lines? just atk+crit? 🤔

[tropic summit]

def% atk% ele atk%, SR15, tempring, C7, max affection, max stats, max skills

[gritty ridge]

Defense, atk

[swift mango]

Her best line is SR15 doll

[tight finch]

Def actually work 🤔 I always hear bad things about that stat
I already have her max outside lines/core

[gritty ridge]

It works on moran

[swift mango]

Def kinda helps her getting a bit faster to 1 dmg mileage.

[tropic summit]

only on very few units, nero and moran being those

[glad meteor]

Give her 1 intelligence at least

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-too-much-excessive-enough-crossing-the-line-popbuzz-gif-17243040

[pale knoll]

Im almost done with hard mode fully

[tropic summit]

you gonna need a cane once you're done

[pale knoll]

4 stages and final boss, then I'll never have to mald hard mode again

[tropic summit]

living the dream

you'll then be able to play the idle game even less than you're already

[brazen pilot]

the stall comp aint workin no more 😭

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

got rosanna built?

[brazen pilot]

i do actually

althought the rosanna comp i tried earlier didnt work, would need a new one

[tropic summit]

check le CP with this

you need 2668k

[swift mango]

For 3 months

[glad meteor]

Holy level diff

[swift mango]

It not easy to win against this team even without co gap.

[swift mango]

Oh wait if Noise isn't linked just make Blanc Indom her.

[brazen pilot]

261k

tried it anyway unfortunately was a bust

[tropic summit]

nah with deficit it won't work

[covert lintel]

With that much level diff I doubt rosanna can 1shot that team atker even if she has 50% atk

[tropic summit]

yeh if he's in penalty it's non lethal for sure

let alone if he has CS% to burst with noise B1 that's anti rosanna

ripperoni in pepperoni

[swift mango]

Just make Blanc Indom on Noise if possible then wipe with cindy

[brazen pilot]

ive been having fun despite the cp difference, but looks like im locked out from beating this whale any longer waaaaa

[tropic summit]

blood idea could work, show him your box

you gonna need some iron code nikke to push noise into low hp and force misindom

bsoda and lappy are usually good for that

[tight finch]

This is where noise is 50% atk and actually has link

[swift mango]

Ideally Noise isn't linked. If noise is linked it's harder

I rather not spend time on that

[tropic summit]

that's fair, gap is too wide to even have leeway to tailor the team afterall

[brazen pilot]

cp isnt great with my blanc either

[covert lintel]

Not to mention he's near 761
Even if you succeed miraculously today, tomorrow you'll cry again

[tropic summit]

[brazen pilot]

yeah thats how it goes lol

its still really funny to drag him down to 10th place on a whim

[tropic summit]

boolying whels is always fun

[gritty ridge]

I agree

[tropic summit]

"how does this ant still win against me"

the ant:

[brazen pilot]

well if you guys have any other comp ideas, i can post my roster

[swift mango]

I really wish my rookie bracket has Vesti team so I could test Vesti def. I don't have much experience against Vesti sadly

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-gif-22511058

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon @umbral belfry

[gritty ridge]

My standard whale killer doesnt work there

[shell hazel]

this is the best my rookie has to offer. snow white doko?

[tropic summit]

wait lemme call for her, she's in my bathroom

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

ah that's where she was hiding

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-girl-girl-smile-smug-gif-8645837818159986657

[swift mango]

I don't even have a siren now

So glad I already test everything I wanted against her stun.

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

The rest could be throw to Nikke.top

To check

[tropic summit]

did you test siren stun against siren stun who takes precedence

[brazen pilot]

me when i snipe whale

[swift mango]

I don't remember I tested that.
Only SG 2.5 RL b1 vs siren that is still stunned even though Nikke.top showed B1 a bit faster.

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

I remember I saw 2 siren stun at same time. But then I also saw screenshot of only 1 siren got stunned.

[tropic summit]

so it's inconsistent and RNGy?

shrodinger stunneroni?

[swift mango]

Need to test

No one did

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

@spiral onyx probably could with his friend whale

[tropic summit]

@spiral onyx did you ever test in a siren vs siren scenario if both siren attempt to stun each others who takes precedence

would siren stun siren or would siren stun siren?

[spiral onyx]

No, that feels dumb lol

[tropic summit]

it is haha

[spiral onyx]

Siren targets P1

Siren isn't even a tank

[tropic summit]

let's assume this siren linked in p1

[spiral onyx]

Why would there be two teams against each other with Siren in P1

[tropic summit]

for... science

[umbral crown]

@tropic summit

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[tropic summit]

MC time

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-die-dies-nekodies-nekodie-gif-21965693

[swift mango]

Obviously 2 linked siren p1 teams that you could only feed to 3rl

[glad meteor]

They stun each other

[tropic summit]

both stunned at same time and consistently?

[glad meteor]

Iirc. Ye

[tropic summit]

that's boring

[spiral onyx]

2RL is faster than Siren stun so at that point whether or not Siren stuns doesn't even matter anymore

[swift mango]

I mean 3rl, my bad

Editted

[tropic summit]

it's probably as kara says, both siren would hit ammo count at same time and stun each others

still would be curious to see it

[leaden canyon]

I always buy that

[swift mango]

Yeah, I remember I did it once. But Idk there would deviation after multiple attempt

[swift mango]

What about this?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/caroline-anime-beam-anime-smile-anime-cheer-do-your-best-beam-gif-17672281

[leaden canyon]

I always buy the core dust, unsure if credits from there would be better

[swift mango]

Rosy probably need 501

[tropic summit]

his ein is stonks and maybe he built ada?

[swift mango]

Roundly same value as governor box selector

[leaden canyon]

I just need to start selecting the x3 cases

[leaden canyon]

Btw he beat the defense now, would anything else throw him off?

[swift mango]

But he doesn't want to manual much. And Idk if his crown has enough cp

[tropic summit]

about time he did

[tropic summit]

try 2 early pressure teams and 1 indom

[leaden canyon]

I do have 1 indom and an early preasure, I guess I could try scarlet?

unsure what other early preasure could be

[tropic summit]

nah stay away from scar, she's too easy to deal with in 2026

[umbral crown]

601

[tropic summit]

pseudo absolute, swha + nayuta + rh, indom vestiTU

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[tropic summit]

for pseudo absolute i mean emi lappy ros

[small gale]

not exactly PVP, but when do you get a big bump with your CP? I noticed that sometimes when I level, I suddenly get additional 20000 CP

[swift mango]

Try at 501 at least.
Crown+Cindy+Ein+b1CDR+Helm

Cover everyone when the boss has 4 shields and the spiked mirror show up. Charge shot with Ein at it. Then uncover.

521 if you couldn't, cover everyone and aim with Cindy instead.
561 you should be able to just auto.

[tropic summit]

every x21

[shell hazel]

did they change it? pretty sure the attacker siren had priority, but that might just be a rookie thing as it's not as controlled as SPA

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon maybe something like this, scarlet could be any good B3 with pressure that you've left (reiT or similar)

since you've 2RL via anis regardless she dies or saccs, you can drop to 70% ish with any B3 you want to sacc with

[swift mango]

I have a siren plus SW in one team now.

[tropic summit]

from what kara says they happen at same time, which could make sense, projectiles have a travelling speed

since both siren hit the last bullet at same time the stun happens for both

i guess...? don't have video evidence anyhow

[swift mango]

2 siren actually.

[leaden canyon]

man I really need to work on getting emilia 25% already lol

[swift mango]

Same

[shell hazel]

I feel like we did at some point but it was a while ago

#pvp-arena message

rookie unsure on SPA

[swift mango]

Ah I remember, Siren p5 should be able to stun siren p1 before she stuns their p1.

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor @swift mango spaghetti coderino

[rustic sandal]

Welp. I hope at the end of the day, I end up at Rank 10.

[swift mango]

Yeah, it was the screenshot that made me doubt

[shell hazel]

in the linked video both sirens are p1

[rustic sandal]

After 2 hours in Ch4, I got knocked back down to Ch10.

[swift mango]

Yeah

[glad meteor]

Interesting

[shell hazel]

but I've not seen this in SPA that could work diff if it's not client side like rookie is

[swift mango]

Maybe this was taken at the time when the new ammo options make rookie AR/MG/SMG shot faster?

[shell hazel]

this is an older video ofc

[swift mango]

It was too long ago so not sure.

[tropic summit]

well as keripo said that situation is probably unrealistic, noone should be running siren p1 let alone both teams at same time... i guess

[umbral belfry]

f2p

[swift mango]

Btw

[umbral belfry]

[cunning crown]

[haughty mortar]

Would this win?

[tropic summit]

T1 deficit, probably ded but might live to 2RL
T2 deficit, you're getting naga backstabbed and can misindom in p5/p4
T3 deficit, ded

make a nayuta team for T1 and a biscuit locked team for T2 or T3

[haughty mortar]

OK so ded

[tropic summit]

then you can win

or even better just deal with T2 and T3 as CP cost is lower and both teams are downright slow

T2 also gives you 1.75x increased burst gen on all RL units

[haughty mortar]

Thanks Imma give it a whirl

[blissful stream]

could someone help me form 3 teams for arena

[tropic summit]

check CP

[tropic summit]

sure post your box in this format, #pvp-arena message (4 pic max)

[haughty mortar]

So disregrad the previous?

[tropic summit]

your previous teams almost all likely lose

[glad meteor]

Guys, has anyone outsped 2rl noah without sacc and nuked with scar

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

is your helm treasure phase 2 and s1 lvl 10?

[blissful stream]

yeah

[haughty mortar]

Twas 0.82 of CP right?

Still in def but under by 10-20k each

[tropic summit]

your box is scary powerful for a synchro 152... holy crap you got most pvp core units already

[blissful stream]

yeah i got really lucky with standard pulls lol

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren scarlet trina drake
• moran vestiTU helmT anchorIM sugar
• crown anis swha biscuit RH

[blissful stream]

is there any dupes i should aim for?

story and raids mainly

[tropic summit]

looks ok, minor deficit in T2 and T3 but they're mitigate by biscuit lock and jackal link, should be win on T2 and T3, T1 is throwaway

[tropic summit]

siren, RRH, cindy, helmT would love dupes

but you're better asking that in #questions , more pve mains there can probably guide you better

[haughty mortar]

Cubes: Noah Blanc temp, Jack Quant, everyone else resil?

And yes your box is NUTS!

[blissful stream]

ty i quit for a while just wanna ask how many rewards we usually get a month? I'm at story 21 idk if i will get a lot more gems i only have 2k left

[tropic summit]

for reference if you sub nayuta for siren or mmast, how's the CP looking like?

making an actual proper indom team might ensure you don't fail to kill p4

ye let's take the safer approach, stacking CP for T3 for proper indom, i don't like alice locked in p5 behind nayuta p4

@haughty mortar assemble this, run it in shooting range and confirm SBS is linked

[tropic summit]

ask that in #questions

[blissful stream]

oh yeah is noah good with dupes in pvp? i'm planning to buy hers in the shop or noise

[haughty mortar]

CP goes up by 17k with siren

[tropic summit]

yeah she can benefit from cores but don't do that pre wall 160, focus on getting 5 MLBs to pass it

[blissful stream]

should i get hers or noise's? heard noise is good in pvp too?

[tropic summit]

sbs blanc rh SWHA jackal, should've SBS linked

@haughty mortar final draft if SBS is linked, this should increase odds on T3

with scarlet if p5 isn't lethaled there's a chance you get stuck on nayuta p4 on deficit that'd suck with alice still alive in p5

this new team gets you to hit all positions via SBS so less chances it fails

CP should also be higher

[swift mango]

Why ask on Arena chat for Raid mainly.
Raid doesn't need dupe, you aren't gonna compete anyway, but go for DPS. For story, Rapipi.

Get SW and Rapipi to MLB if you could if you are new player.

And have the luck

[blissful stream]

gotcha

[swift mango]

But like rail said, focus on 5 MLB. If you are unlucky and stopped at 2lb on a Rapipi or SW then it's on you.

[haughty mortar]

Sorry for the slow response, my pc is throwing a fit atm ><

[tropic summit]

and ye for cubes, give quantum 7 on noah, that team is then 3RL, rest of cubes for that team can be w/e
cubes for T3 if you wanna min/max

SBS tempering
blanc vigor
rh any
swha any
jackal quantum

[blissful stream]

i'm 1 away from mlb rapi, should i spend the tickets thing on it (i have 600) and already have 5 mlb

kinda gave up pulling on the banner

[haughty mortar]

Currently quant is 5 but is my next target to 7

[swift mango]

If you already have 5 MLB then you could do whatever you wanted.

[tropic summit]

quant 5 then you need it on biscuit and noah

[haughty mortar]

Should I do shooting range test with the scar team?

[tropic summit]

i doubt swha links over your sbs

but you should just to be safe

[swift mango]

Getting Rapipi to MLB is a good option here if you have the resources to spare.

[haughty mortar]

Also, can't have RH twice

Alice or Ein?

[swift mango]

Use the same Arena team to check. Why Ein or Alice.

[haughty mortar]

I mean, since I can't have RH in 2 teams, who is a good sub?

[tropic summit]

it's B1 flex buffer

you should know how to make those tiny changes on your own by now

[haughty mortar]

Also, tempering lvl 4 vs resil 15?

[tropic summit]

either way liter instead of RH in T2

you want SBS and RH linked in T3

[swift mango]

Ada in SBS team should serve same purpose as RH

[tropic summit]

if with tempering you're still out of deficit use that, if resil kicks you away from penalty run that

@haughty mortar also if by the end of the month i still see your vestiTU down in the bottom in gonna be under your bed at night

[haughty mortar]

How far up do you want her, good sir? She now does have SR5 doll!

[haughty mortar]

But Ada is not even closely invested

[tropic summit]

i want her at least near blanc lvl of invest

[haughty mortar]

SIR, YES SIR!

[swift mango]

Get her next to scarlet

[tropic summit]

that'd be good

[haughty mortar]

So T3 gets RRH

[tropic summit]

or near libby

[tropic summit]

dafuq

[haughty mortar]

Referring to this

[tropic summit]

T2

noah biscuit lib liter crown

T3

sbs blanc rh swha jackal

where did RRH come from

[haughty mortar]

Sorry >< RH

[swift mango]

Could go with RHH instead of liter for more cp

If you needed to

[haughty mortar]

OK Imma test linkage first

[tropic summit]

SBS HP also needs to be lower than RH and jackal, remember

if she doesn't your other indom candidates are ein, RRH and scarlet, so fit as needed (or you can sub RH for alice and move RH into lib team)

[haughty mortar]

Both SBS and RH are Jacked up

[tropic summit]

check le HP requirements and u good to go

[versed mesa]

I could have done without SP Arena drama on the last day of the season

[tropic summit]

generally shouldn't matter, i doubt they can catch up in points on last day nah?

[haughty mortar]

RH has lowest HP 289 vs 305

I can give RH vigor?

[tropic summit]

vigor probably fixes it, what about jackal hp?

[haughty mortar]

Jackal is higher than SBS

RH was the problem

[tropic summit]

aye, vigor it is then go for it

[haughty mortar]

Still doesn't cut it >< vigor level too low I guess

[versed mesa]

Nah my 3k gems are secure, but I'm already planning for next season and suddenly out of nowhere the C5 player managed to beat the lowest CP player of us in top 4 who can beat me now that he got out of deficit against me. So there is a small chance that he might flip me to 5th, before he punishes the guy who put him there

[tropic summit]

sub RH for alice, move RH instead of liter

@haughty mortar

[haughty mortar]

Yes Alice got higher HP

[tropic summit]

aye that should do then

[haughty mortar]

But now, Jack is lower than alice

[tropic summit]

that's fine

[haughty mortar]

OK

[tropic summit]

you need SBS lower than everyone else, rest can be w/e

[haughty mortar]

Yeah gotcha. Just making sure coz you said both targets should be lower than jack. I can add vigor to jack for test?

[tropic summit]

scenarios:

indom lowest hp
jackal 2nd lowest hp
linked highest hp

or

indom lowest hp
jackal highest hp
linked 2nd lowest hp

These are both good

what matters is that your indom is lowest in the link

[tropic summit]

you're 2.5Rl regardless of quantum so sure

[versed mesa]

Indom is finicky, but somehow I manage to get it on the right target (mostly)

[haughty mortar]

temper, resil, quant, vigor

[kind gate]

Any tips on how I can beat this team?Seems I always lose to them.

[haughty mortar]

We still good on CP? I am still under def even 0.82.

And I will record this time! I promise! As long as Nikke x OBS don't try to kill each other.

[tropic summit]

20 deficit on T3 kinda sucks

how higher does it go with helmt instead of SWHA?

[haughty mortar]

This have a chance?

[tropic summit]

they're both 3RL but it's gonna be iffy

move helmt instead of SWHA

i'd like to drop your defict to at least 18%

[haughty mortar]

HelmT is my #1 nikke. Went up 30K

[tropic summit]

15,5%, minor penality, much better

go with that and yolo

[haughty mortar]

YOOOOOOOLOOOOOOOO!

[tropic summit]

inb4 SBS is no longer linked

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/yolo-gif-15481464862381975278

[haughty mortar]

I won!

[tropic summit]

noice, went as intended

helmt links over alice btw, you can keep that in mind

1st helmt
2nd SBS
3rd alice

meaning you can use helmt or alice as flex linkers with sbs for the future

at that point you can still use RH as she won't steal indom as she's unlinked

[umbral crown]

@tropic summit guess worth a shot

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

the question will be, can your ein 1 shot slippers with that team

[umbral crown]

i will not know till i try

[tropic summit]

because my biggest issue back then was 1shotting those f*ers

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-bye-bye-bye-i-am-out-im-out-gif-14554602

[tropic summit]

good luck, my good man

[haughty mortar]

Saved for reference! TY

[umbral crown]

will need some time but i think i did fine

for now

[haughty mortar]

Also, helm has the most HP 331

So SBS is not Jacked with Helm and Alice, at least looking at the condition, but is indom.

[hollow lagoon]

481 ez clap

[gritty ridge]

Where is your pvp units

I thought you didnt have pve units

[umbral crown]

they are in arena, this is a team blood wanted me to try

[umbral crown]

[gritty ridge]

That explains why the dmg is atrocious

Shouldn't crown be the only weak unit there?

The other 4 are arena units

[hollow lagoon]

Cindy rapi Ein Mmast crown

But u PvP invested so u can slot Ada over Cindy or ein I guess

[umbral crown]

mmast is sitting in a corner with ada

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

how's your s.anis and liter

because it looks like you didn't break slippers

gotta find a team that allows you to break slippers first

[swift mango]

Try one fight then. If not working 501

[tropic summit]

the method to break the first slipper is to hyperbuff ein:

B1 buffer
B2 buffer
B3 ein after 1 full charged shoot, then charge shoot the slipper with any other offburst buff (s.anis, helmt etc)

the 1 full charged shoot is to procc ein's passive for next charged shoot

[umbral crown]

well, sanis is good, max skill and some ele with atk, liter i think 7-7-7

[tropic summit]

oke try this team next

crown/nayuta liter ein s.anis helmt

see if this one allows you to break the slippers, s.anis dmg will be bad cuz liter has bad synergy with her but the target is first seeing if you can break it at all

when you're facing the slipper it's important to procc ein's passive so your charged shoot is further buffed

[swift mango]

Basically let Ein on auto and only manual when the slipper show up. The 11+1 charge shot is just redundant

[tropic summit]

ye he can do it however is more comfortable with

the important thing is that ein has all the buffs in place when facing first slipper

ein's passive included

[swift mango]

Or 100 ele

[tropic summit]

ele helps... i think i had well over 80

oh actually less

[swift mango]

Her could Also hyperbuff Cindy. Doesn't need Ein in that case.

[tropic summit]

without breaking slippers?

[swift mango]

Hyper buffed Cindy can break slipper.

[tropic summit]

uh didn't know, guess that's worth a shot... although his ada is synchro 1 uninvested

[swift mango]

With Ada, I broke slipper with Ada or Cindy during their turn to burst.

People break with just Cindy in Liter+Crown+Anis+Mast/HelmT team

[tropic summit]

that's an option for him then, although he's also mmast-less

[swift mango]

Not really an option for Rosy because Liter uninvested

[tropic summit]

jesus

cope RH?

crown siren ein cindy rh

probably not enough buff to break slipper tho

[swift mango]

The only team for Rosy right now is

Cindy+Ein+Siren+crown/Nayuta/Helm

[tropic summit]

that's asking a lot to break slipper

he needs to fit s.anis in there

crown siren ein cindy s.anis

and benching cindy is probably not viable else he can't clear

[swift mango]

SAnis can be used in place of Nayuta/Helm/Crown I guess, he only need 1 b2

[tropic summit]

i think he needs both s.anis and helmt to be lethal on slipper

since siren buff is utterly poor

crown siren ein s.anis helmt for slipper but then lack of dmg... urgh

[swift mango]

HelmT helps with burst gen.

[swift mango]

Viable at 501.

[tropic summit]

yeah looks like he's out of choices

either he drops minimun invest in ada or waits

[vapid lake]

Crown siren sanis ein cindy, manual play ein for burst gen, forget helm

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown

[swift mango]

Yeah, I said that before but Rail disagree

[vapid lake]

If want to auto then have to build ada

[versed mesa]

I have nothing to offer here, since I just buffed Cindy until I could barely dps MC down without breaking slippers

[tropic summit]

i dunno if that's enough to lethal slippers, siren buff is not helping unlike a liter buff

[vapid lake]

Ein+ada until they can kill mc with true dmg without breaking any slipper still 501-521 clear angle

[tropic summit]

in my case when i was 481 i couldn't lethal slipper without liter in the equation

[versed mesa]

No recollection what deficit or synchro I was at at the time though

[swift mango]

I cleared at 485-6. So I can't relate

[tropic summit]

eh that's pretty similar CP prolly

[vapid lake]

Or just wait 3 weeks and the 102 cd goalpost will be pushed down to before mc so people don't need to clear mc anymore

[swift mango]

I should have way more CP.

[tropic summit]

with just 5 levels more? naaah

[swift mango]

My ada is top 3 CP of my box

[tropic summit]

i can probably fish out a screenshot of my CP back then

[swift mango]

She only built when I got to 484 or sth

So no clear at 481

[versed mesa]

Kinda sucks there is no logs for when you cleared what stage.

Could compare what worked for different peeps

[tropic summit]

found my clear, although i'm fishing if i took the screenshot for the CP
@swift mango #questions message

[versed mesa]

I don't even remember what synchro I was during 3rd anniversary chapters, even though I cleared both normal and hm day 1

[tropic summit]

the more i search my history the more the PTSD comes back

[versed mesa]

I only remember that I was stuck there for several weeks. Some bosses are just

[vapid lake]

[tropic summit]

@swift mango found it, sub RRH for liter but they were close in CP back then

[tropic summit]

this song for over 8 hours of maldin'

that was a fine afternoon

on saturday iirc

good times, 10/10 would do again...

[versed mesa]

I think my clear was almost exactly this team, except didn't have S. Anis, so RRH was my other B3 and Liter was my B1

[tropic summit]

oh wow that's crazy

[versed mesa]

More like I probably could have killed it much faster if I had any of the "proper" characters built

[tropic summit]

my RRH back then was still a baby, probably wouldn't have made it

[tropic summit]

yeah ein/ada or similar makes it way easier

losing my fingers manualing ein though was also great times

[swift mango]

I should be 1.2m

[tropic summit]

oh oki slightly less deficit

[swift mango]

I don't want to overestimated my dmg so

[tropic summit]

mine was kinda copium, barely made it in the end

[versed mesa]

I just waited until I got a synchro level, tried again, rerolled for more Ele on Cindy "Still so many health bars left??" wait until a few more levels, try again. It was that for way too many weeks

I even tried Scarlet a few times "But she's electric too!" had no idea about Trina giving such a boost, I don't remember if I even had Trina

[swift mango]

Scarlet could probably clear at 521

Main problem isn't dmg but she killed herself

[versed mesa]

Yeah, especially with Trina, I even tested a few times in Anomaly, it wasn't the best but did ok dmg

[tropic summit]

my very first MC was with scarlet

[swift mango]

I clear MC with scarlet too ofc, almost blue

[versed mesa]

Yeah that is why I ended up not having Scarlet on my kill, died too much

[tropic summit]

crown liter scarlet rh naga iirc

[swift mango]

Idk who I used in place of Liter and Naga lol

[tropic summit]

naga was trying her best to keep scarlet alive

[swift mango]

Liter is probably DKW

[tropic summit]

meanwhile scarlet wanted to commit sudoku

[swift mango]

Naga eh

[tropic summit]

maybe you ran tiga or blanc/noir?

[swift mango]

Maybe Noir but not Naga. I never OL Naga

Same to liter

[tropic summit]

i played a ton of crown naga, took a while to finally bench her for helmt

also because naga was synergizing so well for core sniping with hyperbuffed alice

[swift mango]

Took me awhile to build Naga to s1 max but she never seen much use. Maybe should just skill reset.

[tropic summit]

RIP naga in blood's hands, about to be benched in the corner

well tiga had its time for a while then crown naga until better options happened with duo maid and helmt

[haughty mortar]

How's my Vesti doin?

[swift mango]

Does current SR have Perma core?

Not sure

[tropic summit]

oh sh*t he gone and done it already

she's looking WAY better, good job

[tropic summit]

no it's alternating

you can hit it sometimes but it's mostly hidden

it shows when the boss alternates forms

[swift mango]

Hidden mean RH works

[haughty mortar]

Dat Doll heally helped

[tropic summit]

she's your best deficit pusher unit

together with libby and scarlet

keep her well fed and she'll deliver

[haughty mortar]

Yes sir! She'll be the TRUE FOODIE. Forget Snow White!

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Right?

[tropic summit]

you know i'm not sure i never checked, pierce probably still hits core?

[tropic summit]

you can probably run better teams than mine

[swift mango]

I don't have doro and play on phone. Plus only 44 Ele on SW

[tropic summit]

oof

yeah sdoro and SWHA carried me so hard in this one

without those i can dream of that score

[swift mango]

I probably could build better team 5 than your Alice ofc.

[tropic summit]

yeah that team was begging to just die and end the suffering tbh

[swift mango]

But I don't even have M.Anchir.

[tropic summit]

kinda surprising considered she's decent in pvp

as pseudo HP+ unit

[swift mango]

Nah she is not. If even Bay is benched then no slot for Anchor.

Someone deleted his comment

[haughty mortar]

Just made her officially 4x OL. What next?

I know she ain't getting SR doll up until SWHA is SR15

[swift mango]

I could get her with selector ofc. But I'm still lacking many units.

Maybe I should just give in

[tropic summit]

i'd like to find rouge it's been nearly a year she's wishlisted and found anyone but her

[tropic summit]

bay not gonna help you survive lib, anchorIM will

but ye too situational to have an actual spot, it's sp arena stuff

[tropic summit]

4-8%CS, 2-4atk%, 2-4 ele atk, 2 ammo

her doll SR15 can wait, fix her OLs slowly

[umbral crown]

i will have to reset nero, bay and poli

pvp evolved

[tropic summit]

nero and poli yes, bay i wouldn't

[short plaza]

the new snow white just demolished my team I knew she was good but I didn't she was THIS good at dealing damage

[tropic summit]

between emilia and vestiTU amount of damage

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

believe in bay matchmaking against scarlet

20% chance

[tropic summit]

ok it's 4AM, body is tired, surely even if in pain i'll fall asleep for a few hours right?

gotta trick myself being sleepy to fall asleep, so annoying

[vapid lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsv41zSvsNo

[tropic summit]

Not my kind of ASMR

[vapid lake]

She'll help you sleep ||forever||

[acoustic raven]

Any suggest team,and what the best cube to use

[noble python]

I have Laplace at Affection 30 now btw so once I get her doll to SR 15 I can immediately treasure her

[haughty mortar]

I know the lines and it'll suck >< Coz again, SW got prio dawg

[noble python]

Just need help beating at least 1 of these teams from Challenger 3’s defenses I already win R1

Box is right here if needed

Also Challenger 3 knocked me down to Challenger 4

Seems they attacked the OG Challenger 4 won and then attacked me

[acoustic raven]

Help

[quick lake]

What is this for? SPA? rookie? Also better to show ur full roster

[quick lake]

T2 can try:
Jackal Scar Trina Centi Siren

[noble python]

Can’t do that

I need Jackal Scar Trina for T1

[quick lake]

Noise Siren Lib clipRL ClipRL (2rl)

[noble python]

My T1 that beats their T1 is: Scarlet, Vesti TU, Jackal, Blanc, Trina

[quick lake]

This should win their T2.. hopefully

[noble python]

Kk

[quick lake]

Noise Siren Lib Centi Rumani

[noble python]

So funny story T2 lost badly but T3 won this time so I took back Challenger 3

[quick lake]

oh what lmao

[noble python]

Ig T3 is luck based on if I win or lose ig

T2 didn’t even kill 1 unit

That’s how badly they lost

[quick lake]

Welps. Rosanna nukes faster that Noise’s buff

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit

[wintry viper]

how do you beat this?

[tulip quest]

copy that just put blanc on noah

k wait

wrong 1

Jackal Snow H.A HelmT Blanc Maiden

put Vigor cube on HelmT to make sure she doesn't get blanc indom

[obtuse dagger]

i see a rosanna angle tho

as long as you have 2rl its done

[proven marsh]

I have the same problem like yours but instead of helm, they use biscuit

How do i consistently attack this successfully? I use the same comp but swap jackal to rosanna, SWHA to Cindy and swap their position with biscuit. It can only win if their SWHA suddenly dies after bursting but not if she survives.

[wild drum]

#questions message

HELP I NEED sp arena teams and also one team for recruit arena

@tropic summit you the man help me 😭

[glacial haven]

@tropic summit @glad meteor The RNG BS strikes again.... No luck.

[glad meteor]

damn

[glad meteor]

This should guarantee a win, they don’t seem to have crazy cs. But check for cp.

This is interesting. But i might try ask someone to test it against scar soda first. We’ve lost too many times, don’t want to lose again

Scar s2 and soda rng

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta centi helmt rh bsoda
• jackal vestiTU blanc trina SBS
• crown biscuit vestiTU SWHA RRH

Rookie

• nayuta SWHA vestiTU Helmt RH

[tropic summit]

woa you're almost there, get her that 1 extra OL line in atk%

[tropic summit]

have you tried indom variants?

jackal vestiTU blanc centi helmT/SWHA (vestiTU lowest HP in the link)

[tropic summit]

noah in p1 may be siren weak and is definitely soda weak
alternatively you can try 2RL rosanna variants to try and 1shot swha, she also breaks link from jackal
lastly, indom variants on 2RL with hard carries (vestiTU, emilia)

[proven marsh]

OG Soda or the Bunny Soda? Haven't built them yet.

[tropic summit]

OG soda for guaranteed stun on noah and noise as she'd get taunted in p2

@proven marsh you'd be looking at this but guaranteed on noise and noah as she'd be taunted to stun them specifically as long as you run her in p1 or p2 (splash positions)

that leaves you 1s to instant nuke SWHA, scarlet would ele weak her for 1hitko

considering the enemy team you won't need to invest much in her

4/4/4 2OL (armor and legs) + tempering and R15 probably gives her enough hp as is

[proven marsh]

Ok, thank you for the input. I'll experiment with different comps with soda. I'm always having difficulty on dealing with that comp even if VestiTU variant.

[tropic summit]

it's a strong standalone comp

due to the nature of SWHA kit and noah allowing her to shine protected

noise will also mitigate rosanna

and rosanna cloak is revealed by SWHA pre burst unless she's linked

another option could be slow cindy with nayuta variant, you can protect rumani and cindy to let them attempt 1hitko once noah shield is down

rumani cindy nayuta biscuit flex (flex can be midhara for extra DoT dmg)

[proven marsh]

My method of dealing with that comp was emilia as main damage with her delayed nuke but i guess it is not enough these days.

[tropic summit]

they've noise giving them extra HP so you'd struggle a bit more

double buff emi would probably still be lethal post nuke

although she'd need indom

[tropic summit]

emilia blanc RH helmT jackal, emi linked and lowest HP in link

this is a natural 2RL so you can cube with w/e

if helmT steals like SWHA can also be used as battery in there btw

[proven marsh]

Thanks for the tips, I'll work on soda now.

[tropic summit]

99% to 2RL will get you natural 2RL via the minimun feed enemy is still gonna give you regardless of weapon class (3%ish)

[tropic summit]

try the indom emi variants and slow cindy, you won't need to invest in soda that way, but up to you

[gaunt pulsar]

can do the first one with swha instead of emi too, should be lethal even if her first effect and first shot still shoots into immune noah

[proven marsh]

I'll try tomorrow. Ran out of tries for today. I'll just build her anyways, just in case.

[tropic summit]

oki , lemme know if any of those lineups work

[proven marsh]

Will do. 👍

[gaunt pulsar]

https://youtu.be/Bx3tQozS8Js that specific one vs noah

[tropic summit]

do you've an example with noise instead of siren?

[gaunt pulsar]

nah, we dont have anyone running noise here

[tropic summit]

wondering if a team can survive 1 aoe nuke while absorbing the first with noah

[tropic summit]

same, oh well it will probably come up eventually, that team is spreading like wildfire recently

[gaunt pulsar]

siren variant is pretty annoying in itself too, because if she is not dead in 1 swha shot and there no nayuta or bisc protected blanc on your side to absord extra stuns you will just be pretty much perma stunned

[tropic summit]

yeah siren mitigates most indoms as long as she survives initial burst

if soda is available and noah is stunnable, single buff scar is probably prefered as she can hit for ele weak

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, the thing with swha too - just bursting b3 after noah might be not enough at 2rl's because she doesn't just resets her charging when b3 happens, she continues what she started prior, so usually at those speeds and timings her charge after b3 takes ~2.3s which guarantees noah catch of at least first part

[glad meteor]

Reached full burst gen before helmt second shot

[tropic summit]

isn't that team 1.5RL via feed?

[glad meteor]

Surely outspeeds bay right

[tropic summit]

yes B3 happens when enemy is on B1

[glad meteor]

Might be

[gaunt pulsar]

closer to 1.3 14 ammo on scar when you reach 100%, so 31-14=17*6=102 frames that's 76 times 1.34

[leaden canyon]

Rail did you get any sleep

[tropic summit]

3 hours a night due to physical pain

im catching some ZZZs randomly during the day

it's getting slightly better but it will take time

[leaden canyon]

Damn hope you feel better soon

[gaunt pulsar]

so fast you've reached burst before trina invul ran out

[tropic summit]

ye lomarion is right, it's probably faster than 1.5RL

then again it's situational to feed at least

else it's gonna start to be even worse for defense

imagine having to consider an enemy running 1.5RL or faster teams against you

may aswell just don't bother building defenses anymore

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

i wonder when and if this trend will ever stop tho

the more they release units like SWHA and helmT, the more it gets harder for def to matter

[gaunt pulsar]

^

[glad meteor]

I still need to beat that soda scar consistently without ade

[tropic summit]

the approch a guy suggested is reliable tho

rumani xmaiden nayuta biscuit flex

[glad meteor]

For me, its getting more annoying to attack. Raw stats on vesti is dangeroys

[glad meteor]

Yeah, need to see it

[tropic summit]

assuming xmaiden and rumani go invulnerable, you're gonna survive the slash regardless

[glad meteor]

Xmaid might not get invul. But nayuta should wipe

[tropic summit]

mhm

[leaden canyon]

So do you guys think the upcoming nikke might be a pvp unit?

[tropic summit]

kit looks like it could've potential but we need to see the numbers

[leaden canyon]

Somebody said the shield has the word invulnerable in it

[tropic summit]

uh

that'd change things

[gaunt pulsar]

i've already stopped building def for rookie cause it only selling solutions to my bracket they aren't completely hopeless and will just attack until it works, so i dont really want them to learn same for spa, building def that works is harder and harder, need to think outside the box and still missing some units to do even harder defs

[tropic summit]

absolutely agree, may give away better defs or even solutions to the opponent by running good teams

it's hilarious

if they wanna fix this, they need to revisit pvp arena altogether

add boons or defense specific buffs for the defenders

attacker has way too much advantage, a problem that is only getting worse with more tools to attack and less to defend

seasonal bans may also be healthy, although i think that's more of a workaround than a fix

[leaden canyon]

Label is a Defender who uses a shield to enhance her own attacks and survivability.
When her Burst Skill is used, her shield becomes invulnerable, and she boosts her allies' attacking capabilities.

Thats what one of my union members said

[tropic summit]

hmm so self invulnerability upon bursting

what B tier is she again?

[leaden canyon]

hmmm good question

[glad meteor]

B1 label b2 nayuta mihara somewhere flex flex. Surely

[tropic summit]

i mean if she can only protect self and steals a B1 or B2, that's probably not very cost effective for the team

especially if her burst gen is crappy, unlike rumani

[glad meteor]

Yep

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit do u even sleep

[tropic summit]

i would like to

3-4 hours then wake up sweaty and in pain

[hollow lagoon]

Oh u sleeped 10 pm and woke up

[glad meteor]

Pain

[hollow lagoon]

Take yo meds

[tropic summit]

i slept from 19:00 to 23:00 then from 6:00 to 8:30

[shell hazel]

then from 11:00 - 13:30

[tropic summit]

i doubt i can sleep until later afternoon

gotta sleep when the body stops aching

gradually regaining feeling in 2 fingers is at least motivating

[shell hazel]

let's go recovery!

[tropic summit]

in fact if i warm them up in hot water i almost regain it entirely temporarly

the nerve should be almost decompressed

hopes are in 1 or 2 weeks i regain sensibility

i regained strength near entirely on the other hand

can finally do push ups again without feeling like the muscle gives out

that was the scarier part

literally felt a hole and the arm failing

once you heal up from that you realize how lucky you're to still be young and able to recover

scary af losing control/strength of limbs/fingers

[shell hazel]

especially for something you literally have no control over

[tropic summit]

ye the day/week before i was perfectly healthy

but the problem was lurking unnoticed

that single bad movement during sleep/rising from the bed and boom, ded

[hollow eagle]

wish you a speedy recovery 🙏

[tropic summit]

ye the worst has probably passed, gotta be patient now

first 2 weeks were hell

[nimble root]

Same hope you get better soon

[ancient sun]

I am building team on defence. Is there a merit of using Ein over SBS or vice versa?

[tropic summit]

both teams are slow, although in terms of backup B3 ein would be a tad better as you've nuke over DPS

although that would be a non lethal ein nuke, as she's barely any buffs

[ancient sun]

Gotta work with what I can. I have best units on other two teams. I can make it 2rl with Anis if I want but I lose a lot of CP

[tropic summit]

considering your synchro, probably best keeping it padded forsaking speed for now

[ancient sun]

I thought about SG comp but I am not sure

They are kinda wild cards

[tropic summit]

SG comp has its own merit and demerits, if your bracket doesn't know how to handle them with jackal or biscuit or nayuta, you could opt for it

[ancient sun]

they are mostly either 2RL me anyway or heavily outwhale me

this one I used before a lot

[gaunt pulsar]

i would say sbs 5 soda p2 if you plan to do this one

[tropic summit]

if bsoda doesn't tank your CP over nayuta, you could opt for a 2.5RL

2.5RL gets you to B3 when opponent 3RL is on B1, might've a tad better chances of nuking safely

scarlet also needs to survive less longer than 3RL

[ancient sun]

this is what happens xdd

all my CP in Nayuta so I am kinda forced to use her

[tropic summit]

27k less

[ancient sun]

I am about to get blue maxed on both Scarlet and Trina so it's gonna be a tad better

[tropic summit]

nayuta would be better in a 2RL or 2.5RL team and as main B2, she can get around 25-30% of your enemy HP, assuming non buffed from B1 and against neutral element

buffed nayuta can be around 50%hp of enemy team

and lethal on ele weak

[ancient sun]

I have dilemma then. I am kinda forced to use one comp to counter specific guy and other one I built around Blanc SWHA

[tropic summit]

see if you can make any of these

[tropic summit]

oh those 2 are quite good on their own

[ancient sun]

they are usually always win

jackal one only dies to CP a lot

[ancient sun]

no RH 🙁

[tropic summit]

well makes sense to why your scarlet teams looks like that then

keep it like that until you get lappy treasured perhaps

[ancient sun]

I just wanted to make team 3 competent enough so either guy uses his CP advantage or sucks his another decent team

[tropic summit]

3RL scarlet isn't as punishing as 2RL, but it will do if you got nothing else

[covert lintel]

How much is a minimum OL stat for sw?

Currently i got 83%ED, 76% ammo and 9%atk

[ancient sun]

Btw about they guy who I had problems with on rookie arena. I found a counter without relying on Noah or Blanc. He has 4 SRs and they focus only on Nayuta. so his RH + Nayuta nuke doesn't wipe me anymore. And Helm lifesteal is strong enough to keep me alive.

[ancient sun]

Sorry I didn't notice your message. Is there a reason for Soda to burst over SBS?

[gaunt pulsar]

she is too slow, it takes time for her to charge and distributed dmg is easy to counter + it's not the most powerful source, if your soda isn't build though sbs would be better but i'm just not particularly a fan of sbs as main b3 especially without rh buff, bsoda at least can hit every unit regardless of their position with her burst which ties well with nayuta burst, but sbs would be shooting only at p1

[ancient sun]

Is that the case? I thought it's only if opp uses taunt?

[gaunt pulsar]

biscuit protected defender on enemy p1 and your sbs deal 0 dmg, but nayuta and bsoda will hit all, p1 and other defender still will be protected, but at least there a chance to deal dmg, noah will block all 3 of them unless you faster

[ancient sun]

I see. I was under impression all this time that sbs nuked all positions. I will try to experiment with Soda B3 and see how it goes

[raven plover]

just like any other dps 40/80 atk ele min

[gaunt pulsar]

sbs hits p1
if p1 is indomed = she will deal dmg to p1 and distribute it to others, all because dmg still goes though indom, you just cannot kill the main target for 10 sec.
if p1 is bisc protected or has other sources of invulnerability = your sbs will deal 0 dmg because she shoots at p1, p1 returns "immune" message and there nothing to distribute 🫡 while whole screen nukes still work against that, unless noah burst went off and protects all for 3 sec

[ancient sun]

So for clarity, sbs' nuke (not normal attack) always goes through p1 and depending on the status (invuln) distributed damage either goes or doesn't to p2,p3,p4,p5? Or you are talking about normal attack?

[leaden canyon]

#pvp-arena message

[gaunt pulsar]

her burst is just dmg buff, she always attacks with her basic and her basic attack has distributed dmg from skill 1
distributed dmg isn't screen dmg, it doesn't magically deal dmg to p2 p3 p4 p5, it needs the main target which is at p1 to recieve that damage first so she could do 100/5 and deal 20 to each, thats how distributed dmg works, her dmg to main target split on amount of target on screen.
no dmg goes through invul, but dmg goes through indom

[ancient sun]

Thank you. That makes it clear then. It's very gimmicky against a lot of teams

[leaden canyon]

That distributed damage explanation is in the pins also if you ever need to check back on it. Lots of other stuff in the pins

[ancient sun]

I can't believe I never realized how sbs properly worked till today. I have a lot to learn

thx for the pin...

[bleak shale]

Dist DMG is just codeword for weaker than affects all enemies

Even sequential goes through more

[compact lintel]

I need help with my sp and rookie arena team, can anybody help me?

[noble python]

I got knocked down to Challenger 10 just took back Challenger 7 and now looking to take Challenger 4 here are their defenses @tropic summit @umbral belfry

Start of box incase needed

[noble python]

You just looking for defenses for both I assume?

[compact lintel]

yess

[noble python]

If you check the pins there’s a pin for Defense teams for SP Arena

And those also go for Rookie the only difference is you only have 1 team in Rookie where as SP Arena you have 3 total

[tropic summit]

looks beatable

[tropic summit]

T1

• jackal vestiTU blanc centi drakeT

T2

• noah biscuit cind helmt rumani

T3

• anchorIM scarlet trina RH SWHA (if CP allows use anis instead of anchorIM, you need 437k else keep anchor)

[noble python]

T3 doesn’t have enough CP even with Anchor lmao

[tropic summit]

place lib in p1

[noble python]

Over who?

[tropic summit]

lib scarlet trina rh swha

[noble python]

Ah okay

[tropic summit]

she has to die within 2RL, if she doesn't...

[noble python]

Almost there but still not out of CP deficit

[tropic summit]

alrighty then you gotta nayuta afterl

change T3 into

nayuta anis trina lib rh

this team can stay in deficit

[noble python]

Ok

[tropic summit]

last tweak, instead of lib use SWHA, just check speed and you're not 3RL on that

nayuta anis trina swha RH (swha with quantum, rest you can equip w/e)

[noble python]

Didn’t even change Lib lol

[tropic summit]

good god the tia mvp that delayed them long enough with re-enter

[noble python]

Real

Welp time to try and take back Challenger 3

Challenger 3 defenses

[tropic summit]

you ran out of attempts today tho right?

[noble python]

I did but I spent 100 to get an arena chip

I make that back easily

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown new pvp main

[tropic summit]

i'll reply in an hour gotta go to the hospital first, catch you later

[noble python]

Kk and be safe Rail hope you alright

[tropic summit]

ye no worries it's the same thing of the past 4 weeks, just a check-up to see the progression on recovery

[noble python]

Gotcha well hope you heal fully soon homie

[covert lintel]

Is there an offburst nikke that gives allies def up other than crown?

[quick lake]

def is pretty useless stat tbh

OG sakura provides a lot of DEF buff i think

[covert lintel]

b1 huh
no b2?

[quick lake]

probably have to manually check from prydwen

[lone sequoia]

xrupee

[quick lake]

Last I calculated, its very very hard to have giga high DEF to reduce incoming dmg