pvp-arena

[fast nest]

This is the start of the game. you can see only Max hp is boosted

This effect is not similar to hp cube effect.

[swift mango]

They have more max HP thus heal more.

[fast nest]

At the start of game, rapunzel's hp is already 91%.

The amount of hp she need to lose to become 30% is lower than without this buff.

[swift mango]

Her first attack already heal her to full before anyone hit her.

[fast nest]

Simple math
100/100 -> 30/100 . you need to lose 70 to be 30%.
100/110 -> 33/110. you need to lose 67 to be 30%

[swift mango]

Rather than you wasting the first heal on 100% HP. You basically got healed back to full so the 10% from soline effective pure max hp

[fast nest]

again rapunzel didn't have cs line and at p1. Their attack land earlier than rapunzel's attack. Your argument didnt work.

[umbral belfry]

my friend uses this comp and is able to reliably make rapu stun, but she's not OL. bc mine is OL and sr15 I stopped using

never stunned

even vs vestis, granted that will depend on the vesti too

[swift mango]

The bullet need time to travel. Your Rapu heal when she attack, same to Helm, not when their bullet hit. And your rapu has 2%.

[fast nest]

I think I gonna use SWHA instead of Thelm. It will let burst at 2.1RL

[fast nest]

No she heal when it landed. I checked the video.

[umbral belfry]

[fast nest]

mb, she heal a bit faster. but the video shows dmg came first.

[swift mango]

well, Could send video that's not mp4 file. well, helmT also heal.

[swift mango]

sreenshot Rapu HP before Vesti shot

right when Vesti shot and didn't land

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry did you post your full team lineups anywhere? I imagine we ran similar but I'd like to see 👀

[shell hazel]

@swift mango I know you like having the finalist teams I posted my bracket ones a bit ago #pvp-arena message
winner was left due to winning mirror 3rd match

[fast nest]

294345 sht

[swift mango]

yeah, her HP practically fine. Hard to go down from that.

[swift mango]

[fast nest]

I didn't check and just suspected no atk line.
125k x 2.66 x 0.9 = 299.25k
god damn literally no atk line.

[lusty gull]

next step is 10

[shell hazel]

god my rank is slipping

save me @lusty gull !

[swift mango]

while you are at it, send me your teams this season for safe keeping in the thread in another discord.

[swift mango]

Go irl and break the phone of all the winners in the ranking

and their laptop too Plus their fingers

[shell hazel]

that would include bas7ial

[swift mango]

sure

[fast nest]

but except 5th winner's phone. the rank doesn't change.

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

bas7ial where do you live?

[swift mango]

if they can't play no more they can't change the rank anymore

break their fingers ensure that. Maybe they could play with their feets so break their toe too

[fast nest]

I meant, is there any rank change after 5th win on the board?
If 10th winner came out, then does rank board change?

[shell hazel]

I see him 😄

[swift mango]

At least the lower rank cant go up to pass him and he could go up later on.

[lusty gull]

france

[swift mango]

He mean your address

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

absolute

[lusty gull]

southwest

[umbral belfry]

sending last 2

[swift mango]

yeah that team is rouge standard

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

🙌

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

Hime can I have your viper?

[umbral belfry]

no she's mine

[swift mango]

darn now @shell hazel would come to break your fingers

[shell hazel]

near Carcasonne?

[swift mango]

Thanks bro

[lusty gull]

not too far

[swift mango]

Better than me having her sr15 but zero dupe.

[shell hazel]

it's a cool place

[lusty gull]

yes, it's cool to visit that city

[shell hazel]

medieval structures very cool

walls and towers

[shell hazel]

I wouldn't SR-15 until I had the dupes tbh

[lusty gull]

fireworks there during july 14 is one of the best

[shell hazel]

prefer rapu scar over soda ver?

i'm hoping viper is hidden in here somewhere

[umbral belfry]

depends. if I'm able to use scar jack yes I prefer soda. if jack is elsewhere I prefer rapu bc I don't like lone b1 soda

rapu also helped me win vs a strong vesti by stunning their team

[placid bloom]

I voted ace so you could win, I accept your thanks

now you owe me 24 credit box

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

guessing your noise is not linked there right Hime due to the dual attackers?

[umbral belfry]

mhm

I had to intentionally make sw not linked

I got cores waiting for sw, but only using once I know I'll no longer use sw on that team

otherwise vesti and sw will be linked

[umbral belfry]

oh bvm I read wrong, noise is linked

[shell hazel]

difficult to do I don't think mine would link on a similar team anymore

[placid bloom]

you used your cores too early

not plan ahead enough

[umbral belfry]

noise being f2p max with atk lines helps

[umbral belfry]

that too gotta play smarter

when the time is right

[shell hazel]

🐳

[umbral belfry]

[cunning crown]

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

[formal quiver]

imagine if it had 6 ammo

[umbral belfry]

oh my god 2d let me have this!!!!!

[shell hazel]

yep my noise would no link on that lol

vesti and sw 😛

[umbral belfry]

[versed mesa]

Congratz to @lusty gull and thanks for the credits boxes

[lusty gull]

i clearly could win the r1 and if i did it would be 15/15 victories on champions duel

[swift mango]

I was using her as b2 in CA

[small gale]

Snow White heavy arms' burst is good for arena right?

[swift mango]

yes but she need Noah/Blanc/Bay to work

[small gale]

it's a team wide wipe right like scarlet/cinderella but with a 3.2s delay?

[swift mango]

Not exactly in one shot but like Vesti, multiple ones.

[haughty mortar]

@umbral belfry Remind me to NOT bet against you again

[oak hatch]

@swift mango could u take a look how his team got immune at the end? Did Noah somehow burst before dying?

[umbral belfry]

you should've believed

[haughty mortar]

FORGIVE ME YOUR HIGHNESS!

[swift mango]

Yeah, she did get out of stun before your wipe landed. But idk

probably that

[oak hatch]

Well that sucks, what’s the point of running soda if she can’t even stop Noah burst

[fast nest]

It seems b2 can cast burst at the same time of b3 after stun.

[oak hatch]

So soda is useless now?

[fast nest]

nah. just add swha. dps problem right?

[thin geyser]

Why she need them to work? Because their taunt?

[oak hatch]

Nah was just testing in that match to see if Noah will still burst

[glad meteor]

Noah has a cast time before her invul activates when she bursts

[oak hatch]

So typically against 2 rl Noah, if soda bursts, her team only gets to land in one shot before they go immune?

[fast nest]

I meant this can happen in CA. To avoid this situation, you have to kill them all oneshot. To do it, you may need SWHA to massage them.

I think this is a kind of similar situation.

b2 effect seems to come a bit later, when scarlet b3 and noah or blanc b2 timing is same.

[glad meteor]

Looks like it according to the video you sent

[oak hatch]

Ah I see, from what I thought, Noah would just die and not cast burst if soda stuns her

[thin geyser]

Finally after 6 weeks my def win against this Zeus, thanks @gaunt pulsar

[oak hatch]

Well the thing also is my team isn’t exactly 2 rl so idk if that has any effect on Noah bursting or not

[shell hazel]

soline scar rapu interesting 😄

[oak hatch]

Ig I’ll try again with faster and see what happens

[glad meteor]

Scar s2 will push you to 2rl

[fast nest]

That should be normal. The final was disaster. How could the winner not find a single atk and cs line on his vesti. Ironically, the winner's vesti's cp was 147k. I wonder what option was he had.

[placid bloom]

Wym, Vesti by herself is no good into Rapu

Lib is shooting p5

Rest of team is defender

That is always losing for Vesti

She does too much damage to not trigger Rapu but cannot kill

[fast nest]

This was the result of final.

[gaunt pulsar]

[fast nest]

No OLs and SR1 rapunzel.

[placid bloom]

Well that one is naked Rapu

Not the same

[fast nest]

I understand what you mean. If invested rapunzel, it may not happen.
My case was almost naked one. So I made that gif case on purpose, so I said this should be normal. but at the final, the opponent vesti didn't have any single atk line and single cs line(rapunzel's burst was faster than his 3rd projectile).

[placid bloom]

He playing with fire

[swift mango]

Because without someone to stall she would just die before dealing any dmg

[thin geyser]

Difference between Lv 220 and Lv 221 really matters >.<

[thin geyser]

Ahh icic. She deals lots of damage on burst only?

[gaunt pulsar]

you get big cp leap every 20 levels so 221 241 261 281 etc, in between are quite small

[swift mango]

Before burst she deal some dmg but not much

[thin geyser]

Oh so it's kinda similar in some other games they unlock or level up skill every 20 lvl, here they boost the CP ya

[thin geyser]

Got it, maybe later I should pair her with noise or bay then when already built.
Thanks ~

[short moon]

Congrats 🥳 @umbral belfry, when's the speech

[umbral belfry]

the speech is that I will be scissoring rapu tonight (thanks)

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/scissors-gif-11511235885924031825

Hime I need more power for snek send me some levels please thanks

[umbral belfry]

no hippo let's be stuck together

I gotta build manchor

[shell hazel]

I was taking that another way after the scissor comments

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

we're building

snek army

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

🐍

your one is cooler :9

[glad meteor]

🐍

[shell hazel]

wait I can send it also

[shell hazel]

discord nitro at home

[glad meteor]

F2p method

[shell hazel]

you wouldn't be stuck if you used your cores on SW 😄

[umbral belfry]

tempting, but no

[shell hazel]

luckily my anchor was already a bit built but yeah gotta finish doing that

[umbral crown]

Go make rapipi water

[minor egret]

Easiest way to counter these? His Vesti always beat mine

[gritty ridge]

Wtf is that

[shell hazel]

snek army

[shell hazel]

you got it!

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

@gritty ridge where you been hiding?

[gritty ridge]

Where is bready

[gritty ridge]

Ive been busy taking care of my mom

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/grave-my-gif-24188992

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

Family first

[minor egret]

Shan't build Bready, I waited and Guren did the job just fine. I guess you can get it early now with SWHA

[shell hazel]

oh yeah 501 is proven clear if you got the cp/units

[glad meteor]

Did bro get muted

[shell hazel]

level 1 MLB bready

[gritty ridge]

No lol

[glad meteor]

Ah.

[gritty ridge]

Yucky

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/watching-you-observe-seeing-i-saw-you-gif-5740825

[gritty ridge]

Manchor helm rrh bready mmast is where its at

[minor egret]

I have only 1.4b cp on Ziz now, see you in 2 months

[gritty ridge]

Oh im on whale in hm lol

Ill see you in 3 years

[gaunt pulsar]

indom SWHA/vesti vs t1
2rl rosa scar vs t2? maybe, i dont know, there probably more options

[shell hazel]

just hit t3 with any 2RL noah/bay with defender main b3

xmaiden is best

[minor egret]

I'll try cooking something, I have a better maiden than rosanna

[shell hazel]

it depends what you need for the other teams, unbuilt bay can work but bayT is better

for scar example

[glad meteor]

I was think jackal vesti indom with ada buffer preferably, but need to ensure link and hp. Vs t1

Then hit t3 with noah bisc helm ciindy rumani

[minor egret]

I don't have Bay invested so Noah it is

[shell hazel]

trina/moran version if you need biscuit elsewhere

noah is better here than bay

but it depended if you had noah/needed elsewhere

noah has more burst gen than bay does as well

snow white (or helmT/vesti in this spot) act to attract the ros nuke and shouldn't matter if they die

[shell hazel]

for t1 yes, for t2 possible maybe also as I don't think it's 2RL

reckon to 3/3 you'd need bay and noah maybe

[glad meteor]

I think this could 3 peat

[shell hazel]

looks good to me

assemble the teams and check cp

[glad meteor]

But ensuring link and hp is important

[shell hazel]

yeah ada and sw on vigor for sure

though actually sw may be better indom target as vesti frontloads more and they have noah to block that

noah wears off by the the time SW hits mostly

[glad meteor]

maybe

[shell hazel]

think both work anyway once it gets going

[glad meteor]

I’m still new to sw bursting

[shell hazel]

it's big delayed nuke > mid nuke > shorter hits I think

this is mainly from using her in PVE

[glad meteor]

interesting yeah

[shell hazel]

but we had doppel team that could survive indom vesti but would lose to SW because of how the damge arrives differently

[glad meteor]

Fire rate?

Oh nvm

Yeah. Like emi

Ada burst is strong too because of how the damage arrives

[shell hazel]

ada generally decent flex off-burst also

[glad meteor]

Ye

[shell hazel]

SW also very good here if she doesn't die to opponent

mine did loads of damage sat there as battery lol

[glad meteor]

I used to win a team by letting p1-3 jackal linked units die to vesti emi autos and watch jackal >p4 blanc> p5 ada burst and enemy moran noah vesti team. Even with zero ammo

[shell hazel]

sometimes it gets down to what works haha

was beating my whale by letting my helmT and often my b1 noise die, but the team would generally win out 😄

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Moran noah is wall. And when vesti plus emi kills the p1-3, got take wins how you get em

[shell hazel]

differing deficits/builds and such can change the dynamics a lot

[glad meteor]

It doesn’t help i have, level diff and lb diff

One day. I just hit a wall where I couldnt kill moran anymore with vesti indom

[shell hazel]

i'm sure it will happen to me, shift up will isekai in a giant whale and I won't be able to touch em

luckily this season chill, but we get shuffle again in the not too distant future

I just keep pushing the campaign and things and progressing what I can without whaling sync

[minor egret]

Had to improve a bit because I didn't have all the nikkes overloaded. I have the feeling that for the first round his Moran is going to finish me off

[shell hazel]

I dunno vesti pretty strong tbh

but you don't have the teams set that kara said

[minor egret]

Missing Ada and Laplace yeah. They'll probably be here soon but I'm currently trying to fix my Dorothy for this SR

[shell hazel]

ada prob swappable with a reasonable burst gen b3

I guess lib may count

[minor egret]

That went just fine

[shell hazel]

yeah vesti is really strong can overwhelm moran due to the true damage

you'll proc both biscuit stacks and noah pretty quick so once they wear off it's easy

[glad meteor]

Damn. Your t2 won

[shell hazel]

guess helm nuked the link maybe?

prob mis-indom

[glad meteor]

Maybe nayuta killer link

[shell hazel]

opponent team I don't think is 2RL on that one

[minor egret]

Here's the clip. My squad in that second round minus the monk went 1%>100%>0% so hard lol

[shell hazel]

nice pretty clean work there

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

surprised nayuta outlasted opponent indom a little

[minor egret]

My SWHA tanked his Rosanna like a beast

[shell hazel]

even if she dies it doesn't really matter at that point

xmaiden has the b3 rest is just cleanup

it's mainly to ensure that one of rosa nukes doesn't land on anyone unexpected

[minor egret]

I'm just surprised she's didn't die, I'm guessing it's because of the +42% def buff she gets when she's charging

[shell hazel]

crit rng maybe also

another round she might

[minor egret]

but like you said it wouldn't have mattered. That was pretty clean

thanks for the help

[gaunt pulsar]

she outhealed it, when party is dead she heals 25% of her own hp because no split heal anymore

[ancient sun]

Does Jackal feed works when linked unit is attacked or only when Jackal is attacked?

[shell hazel]

linked unit

[shell hazel]

RH buffed helm heal as well

[ancient sun]

thank you

[shell hazel]

if scarlet is in the link her counters also work on any linked unit being hit, unsure of other weird interactions with linked units

[gaunt pulsar]

that too, but yea i just meant that her indom ended but libe solo couldn't bring her down, if vesti got indom instead of libe he prob would be dead

[steel barn]

anyone knows why you would use the right setup over the left one in ca?

[fast nest]

if p1 cindy, decoy let enemy's burstgen filled faster.
if p5 cindy, when liberalio and helm attack p5 because of atk position, additional dmg by helm and liberalio doesn't work because of bug. then their burst gen is filled less and their burst frame be slower.

[haughty mortar]

Is this a response to the above?

[teal ledge]

Hey dude, can anyone tell me why Snow White would have indom in this line up? I think dude is cheating

[steel barn]

Oh yeah thanks completly forgot about the extra burst gen cindy gives

[haughty mortar]

This makes more sense now

[fast nest]

if p1 cindy, then enemy attack p2. then their launcher attack p1 p2 p3 + cindy decoy.

[haughty mortar]

SW has lowest HP. Blanc applies indom

[shell hazel]

more accurately certain weapon types skip cindy at p1 due to her decoy

[heavy hornet]

any teams i can do with these? or i'm too cooked? i can get another one from the new year box

[shell hazel]

but stuff like Helm and her SR don't

[steel barn]

Is there any chance this would stop cindy from doing her burst tho?

[shell hazel]

still p1 cindy will likely speed up your opponent

p2 cindy also a bit (but less than p1)

because her decoy counts as an extra target for RL splash

[shell hazel]

noah at end of 2nd row on b2 is sad 🙁

besto shieldo relegated to reserve team

[heavy hornet]

wasn't even in reserve...

[shell hazel]

reserve reserve team then lol

she's the best b2 in pvp and you ignored her

[heavy hornet]

dude, this is my FIRST chat in this channel, give me some time xD

[haughty mortar]

Chillax fellow PVP pro bros

[heavy hornet]

i was mostly in team building

[shell hazel]

no you have to be up to speed instantly

there is no time

notably you lack rumani b1 but she isn't as good as jackal - I'd say show all the units you're missing which are available to get

[gritty ridge]

@shell hazel you missed the news yesterday

[shell hazel]

because frankly you may be missing a pve option that is better for progression

[fast nest]

If p1, then enemy will fill the burst gen faster than their burst frame you expect.

[shell hazel]

you're not pregnant are you? 😮

[gritty ridge]

Nah

[shell hazel]

good 🙂

[gritty ridge]

I may be forced to retire from pvp

[haughty mortar]

Awww

[heavy hornet]

i'm missing several options tbw...

[haughty mortar]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/not-an-option-avengers-nick-fury-samuel-l-jackson-i-don't-think-so-gif-2985106550560254625

[shell hazel]

show them all

[gritty ridge]

Im stuck in c5 atm, so unless I get shuffled out or I can magically catch up in levels im done for

[teal ledge]

@haughty mortar thanks man, god damn that sucks lol

[shell hazel]

screw it? 5 is still 2.7K gems

[fast nest]

You have noah. To safely use cindy burst, b2 should be done.
It means your noah is supposed to use her burst before being wiped.

[shell hazel]

not like CA matters anyway really

[gritty ridge]

CA is the whole reason I was investing pvp

[shell hazel]

you may get shuffled eventually

[gritty ridge]

Wtf do I do with my sg team now

[heavy hornet]

here, those i can get from NY box

[shell hazel]

solo raid main? 😄

[gritty ridge]

Where does poli fit there

[heavy hornet]

damn i'm sleepy and cooked...

[fast nest]

there is 32 frame between bursts. 60frame per second. 1RL = 76frame
So, usually enemy's 3rd burst should not be faster than noah b2. It means if their burstgen is fast enough to make frame diff more than 32 frame, then yes your cindy dead.

[shell hazel]

DKW
Soline
Rumani (pvp)
Ein
b.Milk

You could just wait and see who you wind up missing later

I think Ein has some campaign use later on out of all of those

personally I'd be tempted to wait or if you're desperate pick one, Rumani is the premier pvp pick imo even above ros

[heavy hornet]

meh, i can wait for campaign

pvp is an issue

[shell hazel]

you won't really be going wrong with any of the 5 I mentioned

[lusty gull]

[fast nest]

Again, assume enemy's team has 3RL team and ur clssic cindy team 3RL but p1 cindy. Then enemy may fill burst faster than usual and it could turn out 2.5RL, 38 frame faster. In this case your team gonna lose.

[shell hazel]

problem with rumani is that she is mainly just burst gen and not much else

[heavy hornet]

so Rumani for pvp+tetra tower? sounds good to me

[shell hazel]

soline dkw and b.milk are more solo raid. ein is campaign, rumani is pvp

[gaunt pulsar]

partially joking, i did use her for that, but rouge is still better b1 there

[shell hazel]

you won't go horribly wrong picking rumani anyway

[steel barn]

Okay thanks alot for the heads up! Guess I would have to invest into this to make it work a bit better in that case

[heavy hornet]

i still need to make 3 teams for pvp...

[shell hazel]

rumani would help a lot with that anyway

1 team for jackal another for rumani

she is 26% of 2RL burst speed on her own

jackal beats her a bit though

[steel barn]

I saw a guy in ca with the other setup lose to shotgun so that's why I want to make this work

[heavy hornet]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

got the hottie in standard banner just now

[shell hazel]

oh lol

[heavy hornet]

along a Flora

[shell hazel]

so you can just wait on the selector prob and see who else shows up naturally

[spiral onyx]

PvP runs at 30fps btw

[shell hazel]

should post to #gacha-rolls and link to here but yes 😛

[heavy hornet]

damn those were the worst and best 30 tickets used xD

[shell hazel]

I have a lot I think 300-350 tickets burning a hole in my pocket

[heavy hornet]

ik, but it's still hilarious to me how u guys said Romani, then pulled for the lols and got romani

Rumani*

[steel barn]

My brain too fried to understand what differences that makes

[heavy hornet]

but the gift selector doesn't add more units, right?

[shell hazel]

is partially why I said to wait a bit as you don't know what you'll get or be missing later

[haughty mortar]

Half damage for MGs

[shell hazel]

no it doesn't, the list you see is final

[heavy hornet]

then i can just go for b. Milk and the rest will go through wishlist

[shell hazel]

imo Soline or Ein have the most value

Ein you'd want for MC boss (chapter 32)

[haughty mortar]

Do you have VestiTU?

[shell hazel]

Soline for SG off-burst CDR for solo raid

[heavy hornet]

yep, got her on tickets

[shell hazel]

they do I checked 🙂

[spiral onyx]

1RL = 76fps, so ~2.5s per rocket

[haughty mortar]

Was the list of nikke they don't have been posted? You got it covered though.

[shell hazel]

yes it's above somewhere feel free to check it

rosanna in there also but she's a bit niche/high cost

[heavy hornet]

here the ones i don't have beyond pilgrims

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-rosanna-gif-13235111528686501510

[heavy hornet]

and the ones i DO have included pilgrims and excluded the new additions

[haughty mortar]

Yeah saw, scrolled up. BMilk or Ein are good picks. They are lucky to have all the good ones already.

[shell hazel]

think for me is b.milk is literally niche iron raid unit

[spiral onyx]

This is also why lots of charge speed matters but small amounts of it doesn't. PvP runs at 30fps so you'll have to do the math to see whether the amount of charge speed you are adding actually changes the frame at which your rocket fires

[fast nest]

Is this correct? wasn't charging taking 1sec=60frame and shooting and turning back and aiming taking 16 frame?

[shell hazel]

soline is usable in all raid types potentially

dkw as cdr b1 also

and ein for MC

I'd put b.milk quite far down the list below any of the others I mentioned

[haughty mortar]

Personally I'd take DKW or Ein over Soline

[steel barn]

Okay so would that mean with 60 fps you almost do 1 rocket every sec?

[shell hazel]

yes I think that is valid

Ein then maybe I get a feeling DKW will get crept out the next good b1 cdr we get

[spiral onyx]

I'm not too sure about the exact breakdown of the stages but ~4s to 2RL sounds about right

[shell hazel]

but new potential elec dps could also appear

[haughty mortar]

She'd just be T3 or 4 rather than T1 or 2 though. She is too good

[haughty mortar]

Not "potential", she IS appearing

[spiral onyx]

No, the 76 frames is for PvP. I'm not sure what the PvE frame count is

[fast nest]

In ur statement soda stun has 30frame benefit, below 1burst.

[shell hazel]

siren, liter, rouge, soline for SG comp, dkw is already t5

[heavy hornet]

so... DKW?

[shell hazel]

you could just wait none of the missing will change your life fundamentally

[fast nest]

idk. I was explaining based on nikke top.

[shell hazel]

see what else you missing in 6 months time and get one then

[haughty mortar]

She still valid for Fire

[heavy hornet]

ok, gonna build pvp teams around what i have then

[shell hazel]

no harm in picking/waiting except rng

[steel barn]

Ah okay I get that it's based on frames and not real seconds now atleast

[shell hazel]

completely up to you 🙂

[spiral onyx]

Nikke.top has a toggle which switches between frame and seconds

[fast nest]

2RL is 152 frame btw

[heavy hornet]

i can go for more levels that way

i'm barely reaching the 250 bar

[heavy hornet]

so... anywhere i could check on pvp guides or build pvp teams?

[spiral onyx]

So it's kinda weird actually. Game data is in seconds. But the game runs in frames. The game converts seconds to frames in it's internal calculations first. Which can result in rounding error and is also the reason why there used to be a DPS loss bug when your device slowed below 60fps

My point was that sometimes charge speed can affect burst speed and sometimes it won't, all depends on how the rounding happens

[tropic summit]

basics:
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

recommendable teams: (prefer 2RL and use the units you've most built)
#pvp-arena message

keripo tierlist if you want some more unit specific guide: (not updated to the most recent units, but has most core pvp units)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[spiral onyx]

You would have to do the math to find out. Or have nikke.top do the math. But nikke.top isn't always 100 % accurate so the real test is to do it in game against an MG opponent and see ammo count

[heavy hornet]

honestly i don't look for a 100%... just get enough

i mean, my teams were trash at best

ignoring the core Siren/Crown/RRH oc

[steel barn]

Yeah okay too much math for my brain to handle so will just hope that nikke.top will do the correct math for me. Thank you so much for the explanation!

[fast nest]

Nikke top doesnt show everything correctly. such as burst gen by cindy's decoy etc. you have to do extra math for that case.

[steel barn]

Will cindy make rl hit 3 targets instead of 2 if she is p1?

[gaunt pulsar]

scar counter may be off too there, they calculate all hits she receives and turn 30% of those to counters, seen it go wrong when you rely on reaching exactly 100% at 2rl

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel @swift mango @hollow lagoon @glad meteor guy i lost to turned out to be champ for real... might copypasta their version of former standard cindy, the sacc is just crazy tho

[glad meteor]

We lost to

[steel barn]

Or can I always just add +1 on rl?

[hollow lagoon]

why is sacc crazy

didnt even use emma

[tropic summit]

cuz that team never won a single match

he played essentially with 4 teams only

[hollow lagoon]

where can i get into that bracket ill destroy it

[tropic summit]

he got carried by his 1.7RL soda scar, his take on standard cindy and standard vestiTU ada hyperbuffed

3 teams only regularly won his matches

the scar-soda tho he got lucky against me since he had better scarlet s2 mirror

kinda wild he got to finals and won

[gaunt pulsar]

did he won anything with 1 too? because that's a wild team in this day and age

[tropic summit]

mostly lose on T1, it's essentially expecting to deal with scarlet or SG team, if it doesn't it's bayonara

he gambled with his 3 strong teams and it worked out

[fast nest]

The thing I wanted to show is this. p5 cindy.
Def is 3.36RL
Atk is 1.68RL.
It looks Atk easily smash def team but reality is different.
I told you liberalio and helm burst gen have some issue when they hit cindy.
This happen in this case.
Bottom team(atk team) changed to 2.31RL and moran is stunned by siren. Before Moran burst, top team already use cindy burst.

[gaunt pulsar]

[tropic summit]

further remarkable he went emiless in an emilia bracket too

bro went full chad and gave 0 fks

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[fast nest]

you can test on ur rookie whether p1 cindy let enemy rl hit p2.

[gaunt pulsar]

what you expected from soda pfp, airhead all the way and it worked out

[hollow lagoon]

le quat is dis then

[tropic summit]

oh sorry thought it was a laplace

[steel barn]

Ah yeah that's true lols

[tropic summit]

he did use emi

[hollow lagoon]

me and @shell hazel might be going into the derp end but rail you are losing yare marbles

[tropic summit]

might've to do with the lack of sleep

losing focus and derping

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drop-spill-cute-colorful-balls-gif-16559632

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/balls-511-gif-60918381095966890

@hollow lagoon what were the teams of your champion?

anything original to propoganda with?

[hollow lagoon]

Is his new one

[tropic summit]

ballsy having blanc in p1 with siren around

[hollow lagoon]

He also has vesti Ada bay, soda scar, standard Nayuta SG

[hollow lagoon]

and moran stall with redhood cycle 2

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel did hime win btw?

[hollow lagoon]

very standard

[hollow lagoon]

hime won

[tropic summit]

yeah nothin much tbh

[tropic summit]

@umbral belfry

[hollow lagoon]

still funny i'm the only one ever beaten him

[tropic summit]

kind of you to let him win on purpose

[hollow lagoon]

@cunning crown yeeted me

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/rika-higurashi-furude-kawaiiso-pat-gif-26128254

[steel barn]

just going to share my whole ca team at this point

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/belly-rub-upside-down-cat-massage-belly-scratch-gif-16777099

[steel barn]

pls don't flame me to much

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-elmo-fire-gif-26388239

[hollow lagoon]

what's wrong with it

3rl cindy is a bit bad and the stall is dated but aint the worse i have seen

oh wait cindy p1

[tropic summit]

scarlet glass cannon without rossana, soda or siren
cindy p1 on 3RL without CS%
nero moran in 2026

wild...

as sun tsu would say:

"if you don't know what you doin', the opponent won't know what you doing"

we may be looking at the next season champ and we don't know it @hollow lagoon

[steel barn]

I pretty much copy pasted it from ca winner on my server except the p1 cindy

[tropic summit]

these are not bad teams per se

your take on cindy p1 kinda destroys the purpose of that team tho

while nero moran and glass cannon scarlet have more counters nowdays

[hollow lagoon]

Let me on that server bracket I’ll blow it up

[tropic summit]

yes, look at these fools without emma in their teams

[umbral belfry]

[steel barn]

mostly just chinese guys on global

[tropic summit]

@steel barn to help you understand about cindy p1:

• enemy RLs will gain 1.75x increased burst gen

cindy p2

• enemy RLs will gain 1.25x increased burst gen

cindy 3

• enemy vestiTU and emilia will gain 1.25x increased burst gen

realistically, you should use cindy only in p4 or p5
CA wise and if with biscuit, cindy p5 will double as biscuit locked team

[hollow lagoon]

U can Cindy p1 if u have Emma taunt

[tropic summit]

emma mvp

[shell hazel]

Hime won yep!

[steel barn]

okay the amount of burst cindy gives is insane I had no clue it was that much

[glad meteor]

I was supposed to win 1/3/4

1, scar too weak
3, he got sacc off, killed my lib
4, i won

[tropic summit]

it's due to her decoy acting as another hitbox for splashers, so she helps enemy team if you let em hit her with those

[tropic summit]

and yet, here we are, both in the place we belong

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-im-out-see-you-trash-hide-gif-16495676

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/zhah-liulangshenchai-zhlol-gif-4665390

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-gif-16827497663049161731

[brazen geyser]

Excuse my ignorance, but is there any guide on how to properly understand this information?

What I understand is that the lower the RL, the better (2RL), and being at that RL, the higher that specific percentage is, the more efficient the team is in terms of how quickly they charge the Burst, is that correct?

According to the examples, does the Burst charge faster with SW instead of Annis?

The little lightning bolt that can be added in the lower left corner refers to the Charge speed of the equipment?

[fast nest]

You can go nikke.top and put the team with ur cs and check. I think it would be better.

[tropic summit]

1st number on top is the team thresholds, right below is how much % you've to hit that threshold, for example scarlet hits with 101% the requirement to be 2RL

Then you've bullet feed count and burst gen feed count to enemy jackals

say an enemy team is 90% to 2RL, you feed them 28%, then that enemy team is no longer 2.5RL but 2RL with 90%+28%

[glad meteor]

I’m desperate

[shell hazel]

just run the snow white team

[tropic summit]

le wild soline

[hollow lagoon]

I’ll take it

[glad meteor]

Time to 10/10/10 scar trina

[tropic summit]

these look good, i see potential
||potential to get countered because we suck at team ordering ||

[hollow lagoon]

My Tria is like 7/9/9

[tropic summit]

you should see how strong is @shell hazel moan

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

oh you corrected the typo

[hollow lagoon]

My Moran is 7/7/10

@shell hazel moan

[tropic summit]

hippo will probably still get the reference

[hollow lagoon]

I just change it back to tria

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/vae-gif-15357506855217945854

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/zach-galifianakis-very-bad-trip-meme-very-bad-trip-blackjack-alan-counting-very-bad-trip-computations-gif-12177669

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/314-pi-pi-day-happy-pi-day-math-gif-4507352823269132871

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/irfan-khan-irrfan-khan-life-of-pi-left-india-gif-5755424

[hollow lagoon]

You still have much in common with my union’s other officer

[shell hazel]

we're both extremely awesome?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-eating-food-anime-girl-anime-girl-eating-eating-chocolate-gif-17625442621469847711

[steel barn]

is this hotter or colder?

[hollow lagoon]

That p1 Cindy

[placid bloom]

Nayuta stall

[hollow lagoon]

Too many quantum on t2

[tropic summit]

why you insist with cindy p1 after what we told you

[tropic summit]

T1 fix positioning
T2 ok
T3 ok but consider adding nayuta instead of xanne
T4 what is that
T5 ok

[shell hazel]

because it gives so much burst gen!
|| to the enemy lol ||

[hollow lagoon]

@umbral belfry thx for 3 rock

[tropic summit]

he wants opponent to hit this

[fast nest]

1RL damn

[glad meteor]

Centi

Was this recorded in the olden days

[arctic jewel]

Went against indom Vesti the first time today 😛

[tropic summit]

pre trina and helmt release

[glad meteor]

Sounds fun

[tropic summit]

did you wear protection

[arctic jewel]

Since I was in a hurry, I had to do the attempts before the reset

[glad meteor]

We old

[arctic jewel]

I never wear protection ^^

[shell hazel]

mythic 1RL

[arctic jewel]

Sorry, bad joke

[tropic summit]

pull out game stronk with this one

||then again nikke can't get pregnant||

[arctic jewel]

🤣

[arctic jewel]

Since I was in a hurry, I just used my Moran/Noah team, won once, lost once

[fast nest]

what was ur team's cs?

[arctic jewel]

The rest of the games I just had to pick whatever I got on the list

[steel barn]

not sure it was not my team it was the ca winner in my bracket

[arctic jewel]

@tropic summit so stalling is the right answer?

[tropic summit]

one of the many approach, albeit the riskier because a well invested vestiTU can destroy even a decently built moran

you'd need a pretty thick moran against properly built vestiTU, and if she crits...

[arctic jewel]

That sounds... like a gamble...

Is there a better way to deal with that?

[tropic summit]

rosanna her before she received indom or slower indom with midhara DoT

[placid bloom]

depends what their Vesti set up is

[steel barn]

I'm pretty sure it's 3rl tho

[placid bloom]

you can usually beat indom with indom

but you set up yours so you don't get Jackal feed

so yours expires after theirs

[arctic jewel]

The team is Jackal/Blanc/Vesti/HelmT/Biscuit

Rosanna sounds tempting

[tropic summit]

blanc is protected so you can't take that route
leaves rosanna approach or slower indom or as kuwon mentioned mirror indom without feed

[placid bloom]

this should be very winning

[arctic jewel]

Slower indom as in slow Cindy?

Oh, nvm

[placid bloom]

unless your Ros takes indom

make sure your HP is correct and SW gets it

[tropic summit]

there's a few variants, up to what you've built

nayuta cindy rumani biscuit flex (midhara less but invulnerable cindy)
blanc rumani midhara biscuit cindy (dot + nuke if cindy lives through B3)

[arctic jewel]

The Nikke with lowest remaining HP receives the indom right?

[placid bloom]

yes

[arctic jewel]

Hmmm, so I need to make sure that SW receives it

[placid bloom]

ofc if your Ros cannot one-shot Vesti it is better to use a different B1

[tropic summit]

reminder ross is an expensive unit to be lethal

7/10/10 ele ol for water code
7/10/10 40%atk OL for non water codes

[placid bloom]

or you can even do Rapi B3 instead if you don't trust your SW to carry

this is perfectly safe too

[glad meteor]

I usually try

Jackal blanc ein biscuit helmt against 2rl vesti indom

[placid bloom]

you always win the trade when indom expires

[glad meteor]

Maybe you can even put indom on their biscuit

[placid bloom]

yeah there is plenty of strat

you can use SR to shoot p5

cuz they didn't put Biscuit p4

[tropic summit]

they never fixed ein still shooting a few shoots with her drones after full burst ends

that does help in indom duels

[glad meteor]

This team is interesting. But it isn’t true 2rl

[arctic jewel]

Rip, she's currently 4/7/7

Rosanna has to wait then

Who the hell should I use then? Moran?

[glad meteor]

Rapu scar trina soline helmt works. But dont think you have soline built

[placid bloom]

there is also very courageous route

not for the faint of heart

this is true limit testing

[arctic jewel]

Eeeehhh... I don't think I wanna use that team 😛

Although my Rapunzel is decent

[tropic summit]

true gambler

[arctic jewel]

Maybe RH?

[placid bloom]

RH is not bad, she has ele advantage into Biscuit too so good chance she outdamages your defenders hitting Jackal link

problem is she cannot get over indom Biscuit so you have a hard timing wiping their team

it's not like Ein who at least has some AoE

so she cannot be your primary burst

it would have to be like a SWHA RH set up

[arctic jewel]

Not even as B1? Rip

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon where's your SR lineup again

oh nvm this was for blacksmith

[placid bloom]

this should be winning yes

SWHA's procs are split pretty evenly too

so as long as there's no random crits then Biscuit should be indom

ofc you can always crit proc on Vesti and end up doing a fat chunk to the links

especially if you have high ele dmg

[arctic jewel]

Alright, this looks doable, I just need to start building SWHA

[placid bloom]

which most people probably have if they're also using SW for PvE

[arctic jewel]

The thing is that I just like being resourceful, in this case, doing all the 20 Advises before using Gifts, and I pretty recently started building Nayuta, so I need to actually start upgrading SW's gear

[hollow lagoon]

Would still apply since water weak is water weak

[arctic jewel]

@placid bloom oh btw, the Jackal link, how should that look like?

[placid bloom]

SW should always be indom

she is your win condition

[arctic jewel]

Yeah, figures

Ok, thank you! ❤️

Just a lot to take in as always xD

[covert lintel]

Not when you got 30% def line like me

[arctic jewel]

If I would go the Nayuta route, what would be a good flex Nikke?

[slate falcon]

👋

[noble python]

Yeah Moran

[ruby iris]

What's a goated pvp team for SW? Is there a better team than the Midhara-Bisc-Cindy one (paired with Scarlet and Vesti's teams)

Or is SW not able to kill

[noble python]

Also since last time we spoke I got Rosanna SR 5 doll, SWHA 4/4 OL gear, and got Blanc 3/4 OL gear I just need rocks very badly lmao

[ruby iris]

Is the last team bad? I can also use bay, but it would become a 2.5

Cindy is there for the CP lmao

[gaunt pulsar]

might as well switch positions for cindy and swha, swha not gonna hit anything if she is the one bursting without any protection, relying to much on the enemy to give you too much time

[glad meteor]

Yeah, sw burst is delayed. And she has no protection like indom or Noah

[gaunt pulsar]

you probably can turn it into a bait team by not changing much and just replacing anis with nayuta would kinda force attacker to think that they need to bring down swha and it's easy win, while your rumani and cindy get bisc stack but not gonna work against many and that's some reverse psychology with scry-eye predictions

[ruby iris]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-mad-skeleton-gif-10886506202898815019

Imma make them give up

[tame vessel]

[swift mango]

This team looks familiar, I have seen it before... Aside from SW that is. The rest especially 2 sacc Rosa I have seen it before.

It didn't get to champ where I saw it though. Luck is luck.

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel dropperoni

[shell hazel]

eh

I need to work on this for sure lol

my Ein out-dpsed my Quency lol

oh yeah there he is lol

[hollow lagoon]

Ein?

I’ll try to do higher once I get home

[shell hazel]

team 5 was random bs go lol

[fast nest]

What would 3% line be?

[tropic summit]

ye, even my teams could've won against him if it wasn't for order RNG, i'm surprised he got to champ, although good for him, some new names getting champ is appreciated over the same whels

[tropic summit]

marin pvp main soon

[tropic summit]

hayde teams are out

dafuq at ada tho

[hollow lagoon]

Sw hyper feed

[tropic summit]

i also see SG team ultra stonks

i can copy some of these

[hollow lagoon]

I’m going to reformat mine

Teams that is

[shell hazel]

you def want some healing here though imo

or be awesome at dodging the damage lol

[hollow lagoon]

Just my first attempt

Some stuff’s gonna get changed

[swift mango]

I wonder I could get top 10% this raid with my investment lol.... 80+ rocks in and still only 2 ele on SW. S.Doro and xlud just doesn't exists.

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

i'm reaching ultimate levels of copium

[pale knoll]

[swift mango]

maybe I should spend some rock to OL Quency or Phantom. But Ele though I doubt I got those so in the end, probably only Emi level dps. So just use SBS, Cindy, Libby instead.

[tropic summit]

3%-6% let's go

[swift mango]

I always go for 10%.

[tropic summit]

aim for 6% at least

[swift mango]

Some days

[tropic summit]

witness the ultimate copium

T4 and T5 have units that don't even have OL, guess who those are

[swift mango]

where's libby and SBS. oh well, At least you have Doro.

[tropic summit]

libby is in T2

SBS is... i've to figure out how to fit her in this hell

[swift mango]

I would probably get SW+Helm+Elegg in the same team to secure a 3m score. Afterward it's whatever.

[tropic summit]

nah i think you can get 2 teams to hit 5m, rest go ultra copium 1m average

2.5 + 2.5 + 1.5 + 1 + 1 should be doable

[swift mango]

I will see if I could get 3rd ele line for SW.

[tropic summit]

i've seen this before, i've a bad feelin' about this

[swift mango]

I got exactly 2 ele line thus far on all reroll I made for her.

I didn't drop a line 1 or 2 ele for optimal or anything

[wise horizon]

whats a good counter to this?

[swift mango]

Noah+biscuit+Libby+RH+Helm?

[tight finch]

@tropic summit a wingman cube won that high def SW mirror btw Its the little things

[tropic summit]

2RL indom vestiTU or any hard carry B3 as it's non biscuit locked (scarlet, SBS, RRH, SWHA...)
2RL noah biscuit vestiTU ros helmT (vestiTU needs 4%CS, you'll nuke both vesti and helmt pre B2)

[tropic summit]

wow it really worked out uh, guess you were right on the ammo count indeed

[tight finch]

Ideal pvp sw is 1 ammo 🤔 unless you just want fix with cube

[shell hazel]

i'm working with 3.6 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 0.9 ish I think

[tropic summit]

we don't talk to pve mains here

[shell hazel]

I'm not a pve main

[tropic summit]

go back to your pve cave, you pve dweller

[shell hazel]

I'm a shooting range main

[wise horizon]

Thanks

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-fuego-gif-12099368701239660790

[wise horizon]

SWHA, Blanc, Centi, HelmT, Jackal works?

[hollow lagoon]

noir on dorothy

[swift mango]

Replace Centi with biscuit
Then put Jackal p3 instead of Centi

[tropic summit]

ye that should too, blood approach is safer as libby bypasses bayT and buffed libby is lethal even on noise B1, you can try his attempt first

[tropic summit]

imagine having soline and rouge

i'm poor i didn't have gems

[shell hazel]

damn that is poor, I bet you got less gems than @hollow lagoon

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-dorothy-pipe-bomb-gif-4643514375044855612

[hollow lagoon]

i'm 150k...

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/office-doro-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-gif-10718979413983016388

[shell hazel]

pfft rookie numbers

https://tenor.com/view/s-afemoon-gif-shinobi-gif-22347958

[tropic summit]

BEHOLD MY WHALE POWAH

@hollow lagoon you're screwed, i'm coming at your synchro ||next year||

[shell hazel]

whalechaser

[swift mango]

I will probably skip one of the 2 mid anni Nikke to save for Collab.

[tropic summit]

that's foolish

you only need to do one thing

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-credit-card-debit-card-debit-gif-27376677

[swift mango]

Behold my hobo powder

[tropic summit]

i was that low in gems maybe in the first 2 months of the game

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

[swift mango]

My luck in gacha is often back load. Only having lucky pulls after around 3 years into the game. Sometime it's front load but only in the first month.

[swift mango]

They have learnt to make pilgrims all Arena relevant recently. It gotta be hard.

I should have skipped Grave

[teal ledge]

Brethren, what do you think of my slow Cindy team? It’s been doing well in rookie but it’s starting to fall behind with SWHA. I don’t really use blanc but I see that indom is the move

[swift mango]

It's not slow cindy .

Might as well swap SW with ASS and put SW p2 instead of Cindy

[tropic summit]

that is indeed not slow cindy, it's nuke me scarlet pls cindy

[teal ledge]

@swift mango slowish, I do swap in helmt and SW works well but anis helps Cindy finish the job with some on the stacked teams

[tropic summit]

fix it to this perhaps

you're no longer siren weak in p1, now siren needs to be p1 or p2, you retain the purpose of nuke + anti nuke and retain DPS via SWHA

additionally gain 1 RL threshold to prevent being weak to 2RL instant nukers

[swift mango]

5rocks

[teal ledge]

@tropic summit thanks playa, I’ll try it. What’s the benefit of putting jackal in p1 opposed to Noah?

[tropic summit]

noah no longer siren weak in any position but siren p1 or siren p2
jackal still can get invulnerable via biscuit

[teal ledge]

@tropic summit oh gotcha just saw that

[swift mango]

Wait, where's S Elegg?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/who-general-mark-r-naird-steve-carell-space-force-confused-gif-17484620

[tropic summit]

in your bedroom

[teal ledge]

@tropic summit sorry for being dumb but if they use won’t that stun my entire team. If there’s a specific stun order for siren I wasn’t aware

@tropic summit stall the b1 I mean

[swift mango]

He had phantom invested but no SElegg

[tropic summit]

siren in p1 or p2 will get taunted by noah and can stun noah on 2RL B2
any p1 B1 instead on 2RL is siren immune, as siren doesn't make it in time (bullet count) to stun

any p1 that is not 2RL (2.5RL or slower) instead will always get stunned before bursting, even B1

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

siren in p3 p4 p5 can only target p1 as she cannot be taunted in those positions

[teal ledge]

@tropic summit oh shit. I didn’t think of that. Right on

[tropic summit]

look at this pve main

that's potential 3%

[tropic summit]

you had bready actually built?

[teal ledge]

@tropic summit Damn I didn’t realize taunt worked like that. Super useful

[swift mango]

This is top scorer in SEA currently at 23b

[tropic summit]

oh it's not your account

now it makes sense

[swift mango]

Moran taunt

Tia taunt

[tropic summit]

emma taunt

[swift mango]

Smol Rei taunt

[shell hazel]

looks great!

[swift mango]

My last ditch effort for soline or Anchor. a 10 pulls + 2 boxes.

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

@covert lintel please send me your CA teams winner

Thank you.

[native cape]

Can someone help me make an attacking team that can defeat this team in pvp ?

[tropic summit]

so many ppl asking help for the same archetype, just goes to show how easily popular this team got

[tropic summit]

1. force helmT nuke by killing SWHA and vestiTU via rosanna

e.g.

• noah biscuit helmT ros vestiTU (alternatively laplaceT or emilia instead of vestiTU, needs quantum if laplace, needs 4%+CS if vesti)

2. indom DPS, avoid using fire or wind code linked unit

e.g.

• jackal SWHA laplaceT blanc centi

[native cape]

Okay, I either have to build rosanna or new snow white. Thanks !!

[tropic summit]

no problemo you welcome, rosanna will come in handy in a lot of matchups, as she's still very high meta

as for SWHA, she's good in both pve and pvp

[hazy shore]

I haven't been updated in pvp in a while, and while I'm doing well with my sp bracket, everyones been using the new snow white for their rookie. How does she work and what's her best team comp?

[tropic summit]

as a battery and offburst DPS she can fit any team
if used as main B3, she shines in indom or noah or bay teams archetypes

noise jackal swha bay flex
jackal swha flex blanc flex
moran noah swha flex flex
noise noah swha biscuit cindy
...

she's 2nd best battery currently in the game

her DPS dmg is between emilia and vestiTU, falling short to vestiTU due to lack of true dmg, but still enough to be lethal to most comps during indom

her nuke is not instant, so keep it in mind (faster than lib but not instant like scarlet)

[hazy shore]

wow thanks, is she a direct counter to any comps? would you say its better to use indom or noah on her more than scarlet and vesti in sp or better to keep her as an off burst?

[tropic summit]

water code so she's very effective to fire codes, namely vestiTU

[timber depot]

oh wow i didnt realize she was so good, I can replace pepper with her then as a battery

[tropic summit]

her main demerit is ironically being water code, as she's easily killed by elec nikke, especially rosanna

[hazy shore]

aside from rosanna, there wouldn't be anyone else to kill her off before indom procs right?

[tropic summit]

that's the biggest problem though, rosanna denies her entirely

since rosanna B1 on 2RL will always happen before noah, bay or blanc B2, that's a direct counter

emilia and helmT suffer from the same issue

this can be mitigated by running her with a 2nd B3 that can resist or ignore rosanna, best candidate being cindy as a defender

although at that point indom is out of the window, then again in general indom is always countered by rosanna, as she breaks jackal link at 1RL

safe to say if you run her behind a moran or noise team it's probably the best

[hazy shore]

I understand now, many thanks
are there any downsides running a noise-noah-swha-helmt-cindy comp on rookie?

[teal ledge]

@railtracer you’re a G

I invested in Rosanna early on but she kept dying on me. Probably cause the team was trash. I’ll throw her some more manuals

[slate falcon]

Question, on a scale of 1-10 how good/needed would y’all rate Tlaplace? (for sp pvp)

[covert lintel]

@tropic summit he said you're a gorilla

[shell hazel]

this will do for now

[wild hemlock]

Man looking at the CA finals how does this guy even make it to the finals ever if he's losing this matchup

Even if I make the scarlet team basically as fast as possible you would have to be so slow to lose this

oh some of the cs got mixed around when i swapped them from atk and defense but it's about the same either way

[waxen cairn]

is there a set way that some units need to be built for a defence team? like Jackal, Noah, BayT etc in regards to cubes and skill investment?
also i js got Noah but idk where to put her - BayT, HelmT (working on LaplaceT and DrakeT)

[waxen cairn]

was considering using Prydwen for the pvp investment guide

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[onyx scaffold]

congratz @lusty gull

[noble python]

Rosanna now has 40.9% attack Blanc is 4/4 OL Gear and Laplace now has a 2nd copy so I can finally get her to Level 30 affection slowly but surely for the treasure and SWHA plus Rosanna have SR5 dolls

[ancient folio]

Can someone gimme a team for pvp arena w snowwhite pls?

@quaint anchor ?

[quaint anchor]

i just use her for burst gen in my scarlet team so i can slot helmt somewhere else, not too good at team crafting

[ancient folio]

ohh kk yeah no thats good enough

[noble python]

Check pins there’s teams for SWHA there

[quaint anchor]

it's WIP

[noble python]

Yeah but better than nothing

If you want other teams could look on Prydwen

[quaint anchor]

indom swha is all it says

[noble python]

Yeah

[ancient folio]

hmm didnt find anything in the pinned ones

[quaint anchor]

use pinned teams as guide, i assume swha can be slotted in clipRL slots if you'd want

[ancient folio]

alrr

[quick lake]

~~Okay, I’ll update the pins ~~ when im back home

[umbral crown]

10

[noble python]

Considering Rail keeps bringing up me needing to Treasure Laplace almost all the time I ask for teams 10

[quick lake]

LapT is a very nice flex unit

[noble python]

I hear ya

That’s why I’m so happy I finally got her 2nd copy

[quick lake]

Moran Noah Helm SW flex
Noah Centi SW RH xmaiden/lapT
Jackal rumani SWHA Blanc Lapt/xmaiden

Otherwise just use as a normal battery

[ancient folio]

I feel like it's pretty solid like this tho. there a way were i can just substitue one for swha?

[quick lake]

Replace LapT with SW

[ancient folio]

aight thanksssss

[jagged mesa]

can someone remind me the impact of different cs tiers past 11% on SR?

[polar valley]

@tropic summit any counter?

Update for special arena: still solid wall, undefeated

[unique wagon]

did hime win and is there a vid

[jagged mesa]

hime won yes

[quick lake]

Boosts 3RL to 2.5RL, allows u to B1 before opponent’s B3 nuke

[jagged mesa]

🤔 okay thanks

i think im at 21% on helm now (was trying to fish an element out for SR, not even one)

nvm 20%, 6.09 5.21 4.92 3.75

[raven plover]

use nikke.top

[jagged mesa]

i did but its like trying to find a needle in a haystack looking for specific breakpoints

like i get the frame difference but iwas looking for practical applications

[jagged mesa]

even more detailed yippee

[quick lake]

Team wide 11% cs is good enough imo. Aligns with SG 5th shot iirc

[upbeat dock]

I run that top team, sometimes i lose to stall comps. Jackal, Noah, biscuit, helm, cindy

Theyre slow enough that their cindy burst goes off after my noah burst wears off

No wait, i run jackal, vesti, swha, Noah, helm.. so a little different

[limber silo]

chat whats hime's name

[quick lake]

Hime

[limber silo]

u know what i mean

[quick lake]

cookie

[limber silo]

@umbral belfry CONGRATS ON SECOND CHAMPIONSHIP WIN

[lusty gull]

[gaunt viper]

How do I beat this comp. its tripping me up and I used my 2 attempts already so I cant exactly show the full thing . ty

This was the other attempt. oddly enough T1 and T2 won the last time but not this time

ik T1 is close but I figured the other 2 would be good

[tight lava]

is there any point to me trynna start pvp if im missing jackal? i have the other meta units like SAnis, biscuit, alice, noise etc

[quick lake]

T1: Scar Soda Trina Centi Jackal
T2: Blanc SW Biscuit Rumani xMaiden
T3: Noise Noah VestiTU THelm Emilia

[quick lake]

Still possible, but will be slightly tough

[gaunt viper]

Thank you, I sincerely appreciate it. I was sitting here racking my brain against it

[quick lake]

Edited the teams

hm okay wait

lemme edit them again

[gaunt viper]

Actually hold up I dont have a built Vesti and Soda

ill send what I have in power

Sorry about that

Jackal and up are built

[quick lake]

T1: Blanc SW Biscuit Emilia Rapunzel
T2: Noise Noah Cindy THelm Rumani
T3: Scar Trina Centi RH Jackal

Let me know if it works

Been a while since I cooked

[gaunt viper]

Thank you for carefully crafting this masterpiece. I will let you know but itll be at reset since im out of freebies for the day

[gaunt viper]

no worries if its been a while since you cooked btw, ill gladly take a second option, especially one as seasoned as yours

[random field]

any suggestions on what team(s) to run for rookie and sp arena?

[quick lake]

2rl indom vesti/SW

[gaunt bane]

Talking about 2rl indom vesti/SW how do you beat that

[quick lake]

You skip

[gaunt pulsar]

slightly slower indom, bring 1 sg to make them faster, or rosanna to potentially change who gets indom in their team/nuke their b3

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gorilla-god-unclephuc-depressed-gorilla-gif-13229348877244022011

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[tropic summit]

rosanna, slower mirror indom, midhara sacc, ultra buffed moran

[gaunt bane]

Hmm I see.. skipping for now but good to know lol

[tropic summit]

with your box? i don't think you've anything for that, you'd need indom 2RL or rosanna

if their p1 isn't siren resistant you could also stun noah and wipe with any nuker

but i think you said u didn't have her

[thin geyser]

What is midhara sacc?

[tropic summit]

any team that lets her die and then benefits from letting her DoT run

blanc rumani midhara biscuit flex

[gaunt pulsar]

your team 3 could be anything, probably just highest cp units in one team with one b1 b2 and few b3, potentially some sg team with doro/noir/naga/rosanna/nayuta+maybe vesti:TU instead of someone, nothing too pretty comes to mind

work on your pve units for compaighn I would say first anyway, finish nayuta cause you dont have crown, finish rapi and use her as b1, work on libe and red hood and snow white heavy arms
for pvp: vesti, jackal, noah, blanc biscuit, rumani, libe, nayuta, helm when you get 2 more copies and swha(snow white)

[thin geyser]

Ohh so the idea is letting her die and the other nikkes need to survive when her dots killing enemies?

[tropic summit]

ye 10s is generally more than enough to land enough ticks to wipe most teams

the sooner she dies the extra DoT you get early on

[thin geyser]

Ahh okay. I don't have her yet, I'll read her skill first >.<
Thanks

[swift mango]

you don't cook your ca team? I spend at least 5 minutes every 2 weeks.

[quick lake]

But CA teams isnt countering any specific team

idk, casual CA anyways

I've been playing more r1999

[tropic summit]

@quick lake

[umbral belfry]

THANK YOUUU YIPPPIEEEEEE

[river dune]

This new team is troubling me

[umbral belfry]

indom sw or vesti would save you

[river dune]

Can you please show the team?

[umbral belfry]

1 sec I'm getting ready for work

[umbral belfry]

put vigor on helm so she doesn't steal indom

sw is so delayed that she doesn't care about Noah's shield

[vapid lake]

So smart

[umbral belfry]

pick your poison

or really tbh

actually no noise noah vesti might die bc slower cindy on faster noah shield nvm

[river dune]

The 1st one , so what cube for SW?

[umbral belfry]

resi is fine

[covert lintel]

Take out redhood in oneshot

[umbral belfry]

if you really wanted to play it safe

[umbral belfry]

lib will be blocked by a 3rl noah

or 2.5 assuming their cs

[covert lintel]

Who will b1 then?

SR aim p5 remember?

[umbral belfry]

I said lib not rh

oh I see now

you're trying to take out their rh

[vapid lake]

Wow even smarter

[umbral belfry]

I mean you could do that sure, a bit risky if it fails though. but an option

[vapid lake]

But never assume random ppl asking for help have 90% ele

[covert lintel]

Well it depends on his lib investment

[umbral belfry]

well gl I g2g to work

[covert lintel]

But that team is 4SR, is it still not enough

[glad meteor]

Lib will be taunted by noah

[covert lintel]

Change position

[river dune]

Does the other helm have to be fully leveled up though and everything?

[glad meteor]

Wrong helm

[river dune]

Correct one as it needs apparently that one

[river dune]

Yeah wrong one LoL

[tulip quest]

Guys

I know next banner

save for hi.... I mean Her

[unique wagon]

Bro

[umbral belfry]

would

[jolly maple]

how to beat
scarlet noah rh emilia jackal
assuming cp barely around 84.6%

[tulip quest]

I'am Curious about this comp

Scarlet Trina SNOW H.A HelmT Jackal is this 1 RL

or still not possible

[tropic summit]

with heavy feed only

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit vestiTU helmT jackal (less odds and less CP, but if vestiTU isn't 4%CS+)
noah biscuit vestiTU helmT RH (better odds, needs vestiTU 4%CS+)

[haughty mortar]

TRANS.......FORMER!

[tulip quest]

Yea it was a dream FOR NOW

[tulip quest]

continues song ASTOLFO IN DISGUISE TRANSFORMER

[jolly maple]

I'll reroll besti when water raid done

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/sakuta-azusagawa-mai-sakurajima-seishun-buta-yarou-wa-bunny-girl-senpai-no-yume-wo-minai-rascal-does-not-dream-head-pat-gif-11620612559245250700

[haughty mortar]

TRANSISTORS IN NIKKE CONFIRMED!

[haughty mortar]

What is your wall?

Yo @tropic summit @shell hazel can you cook @lusty crypt something for his SPA?

[tropic summit]

make him post the box in the chat

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit hear me out

[tropic summit]

what's this supposed to be?

[gritty ridge]

Spa defense (I cant run)

[tropic summit]

T1 dead to vesti + rosanna
T2 dead to sniper team + noah/bay
T3 dead to indom

is it a good def? it's ok-ish, but you can do better, don't run water code with indom and absolutely not indom target in p1 p2 p3