pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

the only one would be a full defender team, but at that point they'll just use her on the other 2 teams

or CS% enough to hit noise before enemy pops ros b1

but that's assuming opponent doesn't have CS% of their own, which is wishful thinkin'

[noble python]

So I may have jumped the gun and still won lol

Won R1 and R3

[tropic summit]

yeah you should be more wary of CP.

[tropic summit]

so R2 was afterall 2.5RL, keep it in mind for the future so you know you need 2RL noah

[noble python]

Kk

How do I get 2RL Noah?

[tropic summit]

as i said earlier, sub noise for rumani

[noble python]

Ah okay

[noble python]

Time to take back Challenger 3 me thinks

[tropic summit]

looks unchanged from before?

[noble python]

Yeah they just swapped the teams rounds

For the most part

The exception is now I have Rosanna so I don’t have to skip the Vesti Indom team hehehe

[tropic summit]

post your box maybe we can make a sacc team for T3

for now T1 and T2, you can start making the teams and we check CP

[noble python]

I don’t have Laplace Treasured yet

[tropic summit]

use w/e you used before in that team

drakeT or lib would serve the same purpose

[tropic summit]

was it this maybe?

[noble python]

No this was before I changed it

Bc Ada was too weak

[tropic summit]

oh oke

[tropic summit]

CP is fine, these 2 should do, box and we can make a pseudo T3 with ross

[tropic summit]

hmmm

killing vesti and ada will probably happen, killing lappy will be tricky

[rugged wyvern]

what does siren p2 change? didn't see any position stuff listed in her skills...

[tropic summit]

tauntable, meaning noah in any team position needs to account for that, adds difficulty to opponent

meanwhile siren in p3 or p4 or p5 they just need to avoid noah being in p1

[noble python]

Makes sense

[tropic summit]

3rd team

it has a chance assuming we manage to get lappy stuck enough on nayuta if she gets indommed

noir will need to die within 2RL

show CP anyway, let's see if we need to put siren instead of noir to avoid penalty

can also sacc lib instead in case

[rugged wyvern]

@tropic summit something like this maybe?

[tropic summit]

T3 is better
T2 is skipped
T1 is still kinda weak

[tropic summit]

yeah we need 388k, sub noir for siren

[tropic summit]

oof still deficit

[tropic summit]

sub nayuta for centi

[noble python]

Then who replaces Centi on T1?

[rugged wyvern]

would have thought blanc + biscuit would make it challenging enough for opponent... any recommendations? Should be fine to leave t2 right? Just need one other difficult to beat team? or is it better to change up the comp. Thought process was noah+thelm almost guarantees survival, and tvesti true damage helps against some of the tanks I see in opponents teams.

[hollow lagoon]

How tf is rail awake

[tropic summit]

trina

[tropic summit]

physical pain gets you to sleep 3 hours a day, very useful

[rugged wyvern]

cindy is too high CP to skip I think, so need to build something around her

[tropic summit]

i'd scrap scarlet team tbh

1 indom
1 stall
1 stun/early pressure

[hollow lagoon]

@hime went too hard on you again I see

[tropic summit]

then it needs to be 2.5RL or 2RL cindy

[tropic summit]

@rugged wyvern work around these skeletons

jackal indom flex blanc flex (2RL or 91% to 2RL is fine)
noise noah cindy flex rumani (2RL or 2.5RL via CS%)
moran noah flex flex flex (2RL ideally, at least 2.5RL)

[tropic summit]

all CP are in range, looks good, record it

give centi temperance if you've a spare

[rugged wyvern]

noah double listed?

[tropic summit]

it's examples, build around those based on CP first, then the worst team can be changed

e.g. if your noise noah is low CP compared to the moran noah one, that one can get changed into a nayuta or vestiTU early pressure team

[rugged wyvern]

gotcha

[tropic summit]

further example:

jackal VestiTU drakeT blanc centi (indom 2RL)
nayuta trina SWHA RH laplaceT (early pressure 2.5RL)
noise noah cindy helmt rumani (2RL cindy)

[tropic summit]

expected perfomance from T1 and T2, T3 ros still needs atk% and doll SR5

it was a good benchmark for you

[noble python]

Ye

[hollow lagoon]

Did he even change the sauce?, oh… Moran bay he prob noahless

[tropic summit]

no he's trying to get that team to survive

but marin has a good built vestiTU, last barrage still finished them off

[hollow lagoon]

I wanna finish things off too

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/my-dress-up-darling-sono-bisque-doll-wa-koi-wo-suru-sono-bisque-doll-marin-kitagawa-kitagawa-marin-gif-24637139

[noble python]

So probably still not worth trying to make good defenses is it?

[tropic summit]

with ross? nah until she's ready, as you saw unfortunately she can't lethal yet

[hollow lagoon]

I just did a normal ziz clear on a sync 305 account swha power creep Lel

[noble python]

Fair my Ros has two 11.81% attack rolls atm guess I need more lol

[tropic summit]

yep she's atk% thirsty

aim for 40% and SR15 to be fully ready

[hollow lagoon]

Poor fcker needs to get on discord, I’ll show him the way of the salad and suicidal Emma and he can use cursed teams on @noble python

Man my Ros can use some rerolls

[tropic summit]

go and fill her up then

[hollow lagoon]

Idk Ros is one of thous I’m scared I’ll end up like you

Like it would be a passionate session but I’ll end up with broken limbs

[tropic summit]

you never know, she might actually be gentle during the deed

some put an upfront only to show kindness and shyness when you don't expect

[hollow lagoon]

Well I won’t know I’m a virgin

[tropic summit]

you can charm the ladies if you really want to

just go out and meet one then show her your nikkepedia

she'll be 100% yours right away

[hollow lagoon]

Nah man they would shut down their minds the moment they see my CA comp

[tropic summit]

she'll be like "wow that's one big fat liberalio you've right there"

"how about you show me your nuke"

[tropic summit]

you never know, they might go "i can fix him"

[hollow lagoon]

Idk u and hippo tried to fix me

It ends up with a semi corrupted hippo

I think it’s contagious

[tropic summit]

yeah you've corrupted hippo... last time i heard what he wants to cook for CA was clearly zantism

[hollow lagoon]

Scarless comp is kinda brave

And here I thought I was derpy for doing SG less comp

I might bring my Sg comps back next CA

[tropic summit]

they can still punish some comps

and if opponents for w/e reason don't run a safe p1/p5 they'll get RNG'ed

[hollow lagoon]

I tried my weird absolute set, win rate is fine but gets punished by biscuit and nayuta sets

The scar Rosa set in running right now ends up with non lethal Rosa cuz things ain’t dead

Need me ded units

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-rosanna-nikke-goddess-of-victory-mafia-boss-gif-2757100756062724309

the last face you see before you reach shadow realm ^

[hollow lagoon]

Idk I think it’s D

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1298040594819584103/1451005120702713998/image_1.gif

[tropic summit]

many here would love to be chased by that one

[hollow lagoon]

I would tbh

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/manon-libelle-virgin-road-smile-anime-shokei-shoujo-no-virgin-road-gif-25736610

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1442625973458698311/1de24351352ac65c748db56bbdf2b21192138a81.gif

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-kaifuku-norn-smile-evil-smile-gif-20414933

[hollow lagoon]

I feel like I can build a more efficient comp for raid but brain lazy

[tropic summit]

honestly thought i'd feel way more tired with 3 hours of sleep a day for 4 weeks

not sure if my body is about to break or if it just got used to it

[hollow lagoon]

Ur losing brain cells for that sleep lack

[tropic summit]

at least i'm giving it regularly fruit, veggies, white meat and healthy sh*t as much as possible to compensate

and physical activity as far as possible

still pain wakes it up, but at least nerves and muscles are getting better slowly

in fact having dreams again lately is probably a good thing

[hollow lagoon]

Idk what u got

[tropic summit]

pulled muscle caused by an hernia on the cervical

it is pressing on the nerve for C6-C7, which makes me lose sensitivity on 2 fingers and obviously hurts af

[hollow lagoon]

Cervix? U need to be female

[tropic summit]

thing is supposed to slowly decompress and eventually get smaller with time, until essentially becoming clinically ignorable

[tropic summit]

cervical

not sure why i typed cervix, brain not braining without sleep afterall

[hollow lagoon]

For a moment I thought of all the time I shoved semi degen shit on you and all dis time you wus a female made me internally very lul

[tropic summit]

i am female though?

i'll post a real life picture of me

[hollow lagoon]

Oh noes

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-oomf-cute-anime-girl-vtuber-vtuber-cute-vtuber-anime-girl-vtuber-gif-12472768549309900353

see, totally female

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-zarkith-explosion-shining-animation-gif-17787527

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-adeptus-mechanicus-mechanicus-warhammer-tech-priest-gif-14919800332216808310

[tropic summit]

bah jokes aside the mere fact i can put my left arm and hand again on a keyboard is a good sign

used to be painful within minutes

also most postures that require a bit of stretching are now easier and with little to no pain

the only real problem is sleeping cuz the body and nerves do wtf they want during it

[quick lake]

Take care and gws @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

I had a jaw nerve messed up thing that messed me up for couple days, gave me pulsing headache, didn’t stop till I made a makeshift ice pillow and just put my head on that shit for like a entire day

[tropic summit]

oh ye those can be painful af too, even more so when it's teeth or judgement teeth

[hollow lagoon]

Suffered like poor sleep for like 3 days straight

[tropic summit]

nasty crap nature comes up with

[hollow lagoon]

If I was a 40k tech priest I’d make my army pretty like NIKKEs

[tropic summit]

we're close to get androids that can perform certain tasks, don't worry

[hollow lagoon]

Do I order a Cindy or a fish waifu

[tropic summit]

even more so with AI anyway

give it 2-5 years they might seriously become a thing, although at first it will be expensive af

[hollow lagoon]

Didn’t some girl in Japan married a AI

[tropic summit]

some dude in japan married miku, that's for sure

[hollow lagoon]

Turn your self into a AI and u’ll have a harem of people in this channel

“O great rail beat this mfker’s spa and my soul is yours”

[rugged wyvern]

@tropic summit

T1: Not sure how important a second dps is for this team, so maybe burst gen instead of lib? Only ones that fit to get 2RL is thelm or swalt though.

T2: I feel like noah's better with 2.5 to counter 2rl burst, no? Without thelm though, I can't get faster than 3RL... I see how each of the other units fits in the comp though... would it make sense to move Cindy into another team ( e.g. pad with swalt)? maybe have thelm burst?

T3: rosanna adds early pressure, but then we're not hitting 2RL unless we get a kill...

don't have most of the treasures except thelm, but maybe could push for laplace.

[tropic summit]

T1 vestiTU has 4%CS or more right? then that team is 2RL, looks good
T2 looks ok, if you worried for noah dying to early pressure, can noise rumani cindy helmt noah
T3 looks like good early pressure, 2.5RL with ross is acceptable

i'd say overall these are good improvements, good job @rugged wyvern

[hollow lagoon]

T1 second dps don’t matter, if u want more vesti pressure use Ada instead of lib, u will need to compensate for speed
T2 looks standard
T3 u won’t sucide a unit so u won’t likely get stronk rosana but tis up to you

[tropic summit]

sacc on def is abusable, opponent just needs to run low p1 pressure

[swift mango]

Wtf I'm I reading?

[rugged wyvern]

if anything, I'm most worried about T1 jackal getting stunned from a 2RL, no?

Also, no CS on vestiTU, though I don't mind rolling a few rocks

[hollow lagoon]

Oh it’s def

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/birthday-gif-14366415797241127037

[tropic summit]

no p1 B1 on 2RL is siren immune

[swift mango]

You can't sleep or didn't want to sleep or no time to sleep?

[versed mesa]

I got a blue doll for Rumani from SR. Now just need mats to get it to max and swap it to purple

[tropic summit]

read above i explained to zant a bit
#pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Pain medicine? Sleep medicine? Did you try any?

[tropic summit]

haha... yeah none work

all types and sort, but the nerves just won't keep quiet

[swift mango]

Go to the doctor to ask for prescription of stuff that knock you out.

[tropic summit]

the good thing is that i healed from a chronic pain of 2 years before so i've some pain tollerance

[tropic summit]

nah i'm already in therapy since 4 weeks dw, emergency care day 1 i spent 15 hours in there

got all the exams done and they know what they doin', matter of time now and patience

[hollow lagoon]

I had a 3+ year pain shoulder and couple years dry itchy ear sad , better now tho

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

Yeah, but lack of sleep is bad. If it's in the hospital then still okay I guess.

[hollow lagoon]

Gib rail your lap pillow he will sleep

[tropic summit]

can't be helped unfortunately, but it's getting better slowly

[rugged wyvern]

why is p1 specifically safe? Wouldn't they get targeted by siren and thus be in bubble status? Though I guess 50 bullets won't hit before b2.

That said, I'm more worried about a soda scarlet 2RL for that team specifically

[tropic summit]

i can catch some ZZZs during lunch break or late afternoon too

[swift mango]

It you were in pain at home and are in the US you could try weeds I guess.

[tropic summit]

siren just doesn't fire enough bullets in time for p1 B1 to not go off before stun proccs

that's why p1 B1 is siren immune

on the other hand, any team that is 2.5RL (or slower), is no longer siren safe even if p1 B1

[rugged wyvern]

what about soda 2rl?

I guess that's RNG tho

[tropic summit]

that's CS% dependant, you want soda to be in a team with high CS% to cast B1 before enemy B1 goes off

else you've reduced chances to land stun on the units that'd break the chain

which decreases the RNG in your favour

a soda on 1.7-.1.8RL is drammatically stronger than a soda on natural 2RL

simply because you're effective on B1 aswell instead of just B2 and B3 at that point

keep in mind all the above can be negated if opponent is on same CS% ofc...

truly RNG arena

[rugged wyvern]

awesome. thank you so much for the tips!

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/nico-wakatsuki-thum-thumbs-up-gif-4461477765598255921

[swift mango]

Now that you had free time. Use your knowledge to build a new CA team to win champ. With SW around you don't need Emi.

[tropic summit]

i got beaten by a dude that is now in finals at least this time

if he wins finals i can at least say my teams lost to the champion

[swift mango]

Well, it doesn't really matter in the end unless you got the frame as achievement

[rugged wyvern]

earning tickets for your union

[swift mango]

They need to revamp that arena shop system first.

[tropic summit]

nah keep CA as flex mode

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[tropic summit]

don't wanna invest/deal with something that rewards RNG and invest only

rather they should revamp SP arena and rookie, make it less attacker oriented, give more tools to the defender

fix ratting and camping

fix gemming indefinitely

they could do a huge amount of QoL there

[swift mango]

It's kinda bad that RH is no longer needed in Arena....

[versed mesa]

How would you feel about logs showing which of your defense teams lost, even if not showing what they lost to?

[tropic summit]

to an experienced player that's actually useless, you can already guess which teams lost

[swift mango]

I wanted to bring RH but couldn't find the slot. In Moran team even with SW it's either RH or Nero.

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-i-see-think-thinking-pondering-gif-4994872

[tropic summit]

a gimmick i mentioned before for defenders would be to be able to hide 1 or 2 units from being visible to the attacker

at that point you increase difficulty without still making the attacker rely too much on RNG to win

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-pikachu-whos-that-pokemon-gif-1594688352208299494

[tropic summit]

it will make attacks more expensive, as you've to account for more variables, increasing the odds of defense without nerfing the meta

take this for example

opponent no longer knows what kind of indom he's dealing with

he now needs to account for many more variables

but it's not like that match is impossible to win

[swift mango]

Then turn out he is dealing with Noah.

[tropic summit]

absolutely

which gives defense finally more tools to actually work with

is it a trap? is it indom? hell is it even 2RL at all?

you test knowledge and skill, rather than rock paper scissor

[versed mesa]

I would do that and not even put a B3

[tropic summit]

additionally, i'd reduce the amount of same opponent attacks attempt a day to 2

you miss twice, that's it for the day

pick someone else if u wanna gem

that way you nerf brute forcing

[kindred blade]

Anything to change here? It's my defense teams btw.

[tropic summit]

T1 too slow
T2 abusable, albeit higher on CP
T3 somewat OK, but s.anis is a weak choice for indom

[versed mesa]

I had someone not only spend 900 gems in a single day to hammer at my SP teams defense once, but I even saw his synchro jump like 8 levels

[kindred blade]

Could you suggest some changes? I’d appreciate it.

[river dune]

POV:-Scarlet

[tropic summit]

SP

• nayuta anis swha rh xmaiden
• jackal vestiTU s.anis blanc trina
• noise rumani cindy helmt centi

Notes

• wishlist noah
• build your utiltiies (centi, rumani, biscuit, jackal... etc)
• get lappy treasured on the short/medium term, build rosanna
• finish your main B3s, especially SWHA to SR15 asap

T2 and T3 will need to be fixed once noah and other units are better built,

• s.anis will leave for a different flex clip SG or better burst gen unit (drakeT, lappyT... etc)
• centi to replace anis in T1 and be replaced in T3 for noah

[kindred blade]

Thanks alot man ♥

[swift mango]

You hit a guy.
He hit you.
You hit him.
He hit you.
You are out.

1st guy hit you
2nd guy hit him
You hit 2nd guy
2nd guy hit you
You hit 2nd guy
2nd guy hit you
Now you are out

[tropic summit]

starting to fix the fact that the same opponent can attack you more than twice a day is already a good bonus to me

[river dune]

Can someone help me with this please?

[tropic summit]

you need to reach 1.6kk CP to not be hit by deficit

fortunately enemy team seems to be 2.5RL or 3RL

which allows you to pad a bit

[rustic sandal]

@tropic summit I have HelmT now. Any alterations I should make?

[river dune]

So he just CP gapped me?

[tropic summit]

i'd say let cindy burst and out trade with DPS B3 behind noah shield

[tropic summit]

ye atm he sure does

[swift mango]

Nah it could be exploit for group bully you down to rank 20 and you couldn't come back up even if you had gem. Because all 3 guys above you, you already hit twice.

[tropic summit]

is she phase 2 and s1 lvl 10?

[river dune]

That's the problem with being f2p everyone picks on the little guy

[rustic sandal]

Hell ye

[tropic summit]

i see your point, but what are the chances those opponents all work together?

kinda unrealistic

[swift mango]

There was group bully in @hollow eagle SpA with 7 guys in same union.
You just gave them more tools to work with.

[versed mesa]

Tbh at that point I would just not even bother

[rustic sandal]

3 ele
2 atk
2 cs

on her OLs.

[hollow eagle]

old pic but I alr steamrolled all of them

lucky for me none of them play pve, so their progress are just hilariously bad, so my sync eventually gapped them all

[tropic summit]

can form a 3rd proper team
go with that for now, if it starts breaking, could collapse on 2 good teams and run a 3rd CP pad with nayuta p1

[rustic sandal]

Two Red Hoods.

[tropic summit]

@rustic sandal forgot to edit, RH in T3 is siren

[rustic sandal]

Unfortunate no Siren.

[tropic summit]

hmm gonna need a flex B1 then

lemme see ur box again

#pvp-arena message

oh liter can fit for now

run this @rustic sandal

[rustic sandal]

Aight. Was thinking of Rouge or Rosanna but Liter works

[tropic summit]

ye but ross needs to be invested

until then run a unit that buffs and gives you CP

[rustic sandal]

B.Soda already in T1

[tropic summit]

flex clip SG, can fit any

drake
bsoda
maiden
xmaiden

pick any leftover of these

you retain 2RL with any of those, example with maiden

can balance CP by switching bsoda with maiden if CP on T3 is low

getting a centi/trina/rumani built would help subbing anis here

for reference, assemble all these 3 teams and show CP @rustic sandal

we can decide to run 2 proper teams and 1 CP pad if they're too unbalanced

[rustic sandal]

Let's see if this can last.

[tropic summit]

can you show each individual team CP?

[gritty ridge]

I basically have no choice but to retire from pvp now

[tropic summit]

yeah T3 is suffering, let's go for 2 teams and 1 cp pad

[rustic sandal]

Aight. Cook, master chef.

I think I can beat this guy as well now. He's been bullying me in Rookie Arena for far too long.

[tropic summit]

show CP with these instead

[tropic summit]

yeah synchro wise it looks like you're in range, plus with unlocking helmT you can go for very fast teams

[tropic summit]

oof nuked T1 CP now

[rustic sandal]

I hate those two. Passing me around like a volleyball.

I can finally have my revenge.

I have lots of blue and purple skill manuals... just in case...

I can stick with minimum investments.

[tropic summit]

guess we gotta keep rh and bsoda, but we can move around grave and liter, gonna nerf T3 into 5RL for now until you unlock more batteries, but should retain high CP

[tropic summit]

ye looks better balanced

run with these for now

[rustic sandal]

I gave T3 my highest cubes to compensate.

Hopefully they can brute force it.

[tropic summit]

they can put enemy teams in penality as down as 165k

for example your meta teams would be in deficit against it

[rustic sandal]

I see. Well, as of now, no one tried to attack me at Ch6. What about my Rookie Team?

Surely there's an easy defense team to make that can counter both of their teams, assuming their attack and defense teams are the same. Which probably it is.

[tropic summit]

run this, should be well stacked on CP while retaining speedy early pressure

[rustic sandal]

220K CP.

Hell yeah. I won't be bullied anymore.

[tropic summit]

hmm specifically against those teams:

• opponent 1 you might prevent them from bursting altogether
• opponent 2 will still burst via nayuta and drakeT
• opponent 3 you outspeed them

[rustic sandal]

No more losing to these mfers... hopefully.

[rustic sandal]

I only care about 1 and 2. They're the ones tossing me around like a salad.

[tropic summit]

if anything that's probably the best team you can pull off for now

jackal, blanc, noah would add a layer of resistance

[gritty ridge]

Rail, what do I do now that all my invests are for naught?

[tropic summit]

sounds dramatic, what happened?

[gritty ridge]

I cant enter top 4 of my bracket anymore

[tropic summit]

you mean CA right?

[gritty ridge]

Pvp in general

There is 7 whales in my bracket other than me

[tropic summit]

hmm i'll be honet and upfront with you, pvp isn't a good game mode in this game

it does not reward effort and does not reward skill/experience enough

so don't pressure yourself, retain the highest rank you can comfortably and just deal with it like any daily

[gritty ridge]

I have better invests than everyone but rank 1 in my spa, and im demoted to rank 5 or below

[tropic summit]

tried changing up defs?

maybe they just learned all your current patterns

[gritty ridge]

Def doesnt matter when im sync gapped every match

[tropic summit]

oh oke that's the problem uh... nothing you can do about it

[tame vessel]

[tropic summit]

that's a core problem with this game mode... p2p...

[gritty ridge]

2 people are 60 sync above, 1 is 80 sync

2 more are 40 sync above

[rustic sandal]

I should attack NCC later evening.

[tropic summit]

you've 2 strong standalone teams, should be doable

[rustic sandal]

T2 and T3 seems beatable.

[tropic summit]

CP a bit tight on T1 and T2 although

[rustic sandal]

I can switch around Nikkes if needed.

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

156k for T1
157k for T2

[umbral crown]

SU telling you: close the gap

[tropic summit]

speedwise if anything they're not too concerning

for T2 you can snipe lib and probably just lifesteal it out
for T1 you could 2RL nuke
for T3 pretty much anything can work, just need to beware of p1 p2 p3 pressure and p5 sg pressure though

[primal escarp]

Where should i put biscuit? itll be a 20 to 30k drop in power

[rustic sandal]

Only 2 teams need to be beaten.

T3 is easy. T2 can he countered if faster.

[gritty ridge]

Im not gonna have a chance in pvp unless I get shuffled, which i know wont happen

I was put in a retro bracket

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

cinderella in p1 gives enemy RL units 1.75x increased burst gen
in p2 gives enemy 1.25x increased burst gen
in p3 gives vestiTU and emilia 1.25x increased burst gen

so first of all, you should work around that

[gritty ridge]

So time to abandon all of my time and effort I put into the game and switch to pve

[primal escarp]

this chat is what told me to put cindy there.....

[tropic summit]

@glad meteor @placid bloom we've another one joining us

[tropic summit]

who told you to put cindy in p1?

sounds like trolleroni

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/yui-hirasawa-k-on-gif-23894518

[tropic summit]

it was YOU uh
just kidding

[umbral crown]

[primal escarp]

i dont remember. it was originally Jackal/blanc/helm/RH/cindy

[tropic summit]

that's way better

[rustic sandal]

@grand plaza how we beating this mfer?

[primal escarp]

god damnit. so i should have just kept it as is. so who is biscuit replacing? or is she still too weak?

[tropic summit]

hmm that team is a bit on the slower side and without any nuke, plus your indom with blanc is gonna be sort of useless if not just to stall it out

change placement to this to at least have a cindy B3 without being punished by any unit beside vestiTU and emilia

[primal escarp]

im working on scarlet as we speak. shes still too weak unfortunately

[tropic summit]

even assuming they kill blanc at least you fallback to rh b2

as for biscuit she'd need to sub either rh or cindy herself, but it would kill your CP or threat

[primal escarp]

cindy is 147K and Biscuit is at 112k. biscuit needs her collection upgraded

[light cliff]

Who should I put in 3 teams?

[tropic summit]

biscuit and rumani in synchro for starters, they're good for pvp

[primal escarp]

Biscuit replacing RH would be a power drop of 43K......i should probably upgrade her collection first, huh?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta anchorIM SWHA RH rumani
• jackal vestiTU drake blanc trina
• moran siren lib anis laplace

Rookie

• nayuta crown SWHA RH lib

[light cliff]

Thx

[tropic summit]

post your box, that way i can have a full picture, maybe you're not running the best team you've available

[tame vessel]

[primal escarp]

Anything above mprivaty has had significant investment

[tropic summit]

run these 2 in shooting range/campaign and check who gets jumping jackal buff

1. enter shooting range with that team
2. pause, click on the units, check jumping jackal
3. do it for both

[light cliff]

Is defense matters?

[tropic summit]

yes, use the teams i gave you earlier for defense

attack is based on what you facing, but if you don't know what you're doing, you can use the same teams for attack

[light cliff]

Ok

[primal escarp]

first team Lib and Thelm have jumping

[tropic summit]

perfect, lib is who we wanted

[tame vessel]

hi

[tropic summit]

test the latter and then you're set

[astral turret]

@tropic summit Can you help me with new teams for SP arena?

If you need OL stats https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?openid=MjkwODAtMjU5MjQyMjc3NTAzNDU5NDQ2NA%3D%3D

[tropic summit]

can you show me your current 3 def teams?

[vapid lake]

Help me too

[tropic summit]

if you need help we're screwed

[primal escarp]

TDrake and THelm. Im assuming first team is attack and the second is defense?

[vapid lake]

Me noob

[tropic summit]

so drake steals jumping jackal from lib and we can't use her together, good to know

[tropic summit]

it's actually just 2 variants of indom teams, one with added stun pressure from siren, the other with natural 2RL and overall faster

[primal escarp]

So stick to the first team?

[tropic summit]

run this one, ensures lib is picked for indom and you've stun pressure for p1

cubes:

jackal quantum
lib tempering
helmt tempering
blanc vigor
siren any

[worldly osprey]

[primal escarp]

Jumpin jackal is still lib and THelm. thank you

[tropic summit]

hmm i see... let's take a different approach, change to the teams to the right, ensure you've those 4 quantum lvl 7 cubes, else lemme know

[primal escarp]

what if the cubes are shit level?

[tropic summit]

bastion/resil will do if they nuke your CP too harshly

quantum stays on jackal tho

[primal escarp]

ill test temper on lib and helm for a bit to see how it goes

[tropic summit]

they add a degree of protection against early pressure ele weak

but if your CP is tanked it's better to run your other higher lvl cubes

[astral turret]

Ty again!

[primal escarp]

team is a 46k drop

[tropic summit]

you can run higher CP team but it will have weaker indom/threat

if anything give it a shot for 24hrs, if it breaks can change approach

[primal escarp]

ill see how this team does. i havent been able to touch ranks 1 through 8 in a while on Rookie so it wont hurt any thing

[gritty ridge]

Rail you wanna make me 3 teams for defense?

[tropic summit]

if you're gapped they'll be meaningless, you know that

regardless i can if you wanna

[gritty ridge]

I at least want to stay top 10

[radiant coral]

you’re no longer in CA?

[fleet peak]

Trying to overcome this rookie arena team. We're about the same sync level, seemingly similar levels of investment, and I've got a complete roster, minus Chainsaw and Re:Zero units, though Vesti isn't fully invested yet.

[tropic summit]

his bracket is filled of whels

[tropic summit]

the worst part is that he's not even f2p

[tropic summit]

many approach to this

1. any indom 2RL
2. if enemy isn't 11%CS team wide, noah in p1 is siren stunnable, you can get rid of their shield
3. rosanna loves this team, 2 water code units? free kills

[radiant coral]

Dang…

https://tenor.com/view/fat-guys-fight-fat-fight-fat-people-fighting-fat-fight-gif-27397764

How cooked is that bracket if they’re all whaling

[gritty ridge]

Im the 3rd lowest sync in the top 10

[fleet peak]

I'm unfamiliar with current meta archetypes - haven't built for PvP in ages until this guy started attacking me. What would an indom 2RL team look like? (I know the meaning, just not the comps)

[radiant coral]

How bad is the deficit lookin

[gritty ridge]

Level deficit?

Big

[radiant coral]

Combat power wise?

[gritty ridge]

Even bigger

[gritty ridge]

Im hitting 40% deficit on alpt of fights

[radiant coral]

Damn

[rustic sandal]

Yeah it worked.

[radiant coral]

Surely they’re just PvE units and no PvP builds right

[rustic sandal]

Helm bursted instead of VestiTU. Worked out well because Nayuta could've wiped out the rest.

[tropic summit]

try these 2 for now, i'm not using rosanna yet

vestiTU in pattern 2 T1 is actually 2RL, put it in nikke.deck in case

(assumes vestiTU has 4%+CS but u likely do)

needless to say, put tempering and quantum as needed on batteries and indoms

bay, noah, moran tempering

pattern 2 helmT and SWHA you can swap them around to mess with opponent

[quiet fiber]

Who's winning this matchup?
Wrath is attacker

[tropic summit]

jackal indom flex blanc flex (prefer 2RL or 91% to 2RL)

example video attached for classic indom:

indomtarget blanc flex flex jackal, but the logic is the same, indom in link should've the lowest HP (e.g. in video SBS has lowest HP between helmT (linked) and jackal

[rustic sandal]

I wish we can friendly battle our friends or union members in Arena.

Imagine the team building possibilities.

[radiant coral]

They need to rework arena as a whole

[tropic summit]

that's something that has been suggested before, but SU never bothered... they probably see it a way to reduce the gem ppl would waste with regular attempts as they could just practice instead

[glad meteor]

[radiant coral]

I still have high hopes for CA since it’s still in (Beta)

[rugged wyvern]

Still having issues. nayu, trina, swalt, rosana, tlap doesn't stop scarlet jackal. Might just be an issue of CP at this point - 650k vs 760k

Same with blanc+tvesti vs noah moran. vesti burst gets blocked. If vesti had more dps, I think it works though. 670k vs 836k

[tropic summit]

i'll be honest with you, that's not beta, it's final already... they won't invest a cent on a game mode that brings them no income

[rustic sandal]

Make it 60 fps.

[tropic summit]

hmm i think you're using the wrong tools for the job, can you post enemy matchup? we can pinpoint the counters

[radiant coral]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[tropic summit]

@rugged wyvern also 760k needs 642k and you're in range there
836k needs 707k and you're definitely gapped in that one

[rugged wyvern]

More of a - if that's my defence team, their posted defence team still can beat me so we're just trading positions back and forth

[tropic summit]

oh that's what you mean, that's reasonable

as far as CP goes, you don't have many options, they'll gap if they can and they sure will

for the counter wise, again if they know what they doin', you're screwed, attacker ALWAYS should win unless opponent lacks the tools, is gapped or just unskilled

[rugged wyvern]

I know it's atk favored due to matchup knowledge, but would be nice to have something that's tough to contest

yeah

thinking was rosana kills jackal link, and early pressure might kill enough for nayu to finish. Don't think I can break burst chain...

tvesti vs noah moran

noah vs other cindy

[tropic summit]

oh linked soda p1, opponent sure knows what they doing

[rugged wyvern]

yep

[tropic summit]

slow cindy and typical lib CA Team, this guy is pvper for sure

yeah i don't think you gonna win on def against this lad

[rugged wyvern]

we've just been win-trading with my previous team

but he's somehow always online. I'm back to original position within 30 minutes 😑

[tropic summit]

pvper 100%

i know another individual who strikes back within 30 minutes... @umbral crown

now noone bothers even fighting him at all

wonder why

[gritty ridge]

Thx rail

Btw, I could beat oishi if I could get 22% deficit scar to oneshot a cindy

But alas, only 60% of her health

A crit wouldnt help me there iirc

[tropic summit]

try indom her instead

[rugged wyvern]

any suggestions to improve rookie team?

[gritty ridge]

I need indom vesti for a different team

The other teams are 30+%

[tropic summit]

team is OK but lacks DPS, prefer to B3 with SWHA or vestiTU if available

[tropic summit]

that's wild

[rugged wyvern]

most opponents have noah tho, so was trying to play the slow angle

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

if they've noah and they use a better B3, you're screwed

[gritty ridge]

Besides, if I was indom other than vesti, id indom snow

[tropic summit]

for rookie, if you wanna increase your odds, you need:

• early pressure (rosanna or multiple splashers, absolute also can work)
• stun gimmicks (siren p2 or soda)
• very well built moran for uber stalls (moran noah helmt vestiTU jackal)
• slow cindy variants with siren (not as common as other teams, may work for some time)

[gritty ridge]

The team im using is nayuta, scar, trina, rh, noah. Any thoughts on improvements? @tropic summit

Blanc, vesti, bisc, helm, jackal already used

[tropic summit]

post enemy matchup with all 3 teams

[tropic summit]

wow this guy really runs mostly campaign teams

[ionic rose]

Easy win no?

[tropic summit]

deficit is the problem, he's well over 25-30%

[gritty ridge]

Shiftup keeps dropping campaign units with good gen, which is killing me

[fleet peak]

So, something like

Jackal / SBS / HelmT / Blanc / Noah ?

SBS has the lowest base HP, and SBS/HelmT have the highest attack for Jackal, so nobody should get lower than SBS's HP. Noah is my highest CP unit that gets above 91% 2RL (according to nikke-deck).

[tropic summit]

don't use noah with this team, she'll taunt p1 and p2, enemy can use that to make you misindom

use a different flex p5 that kicks you into 2RL or 91% to 2RL

[tropic summit]

you're already using the hypothetical best approach here

the only thing i can say... double buff lib is stronger than double buff scarlet

have you tried that yet?

[gritty ridge]

I can try

I hope she nukes before she dies

[tropic summit]

should also swap around vestiTU for the higher deficit and scarlet for the lower deficit

since scarlet dmg is drastically reduced by deficit unlike vesti

[gritty ridge]

Scar is already hitting the weakest team

[tropic summit]

yeah you might be cooked here

[gritty ridge]

590k, 700k, 670k

[tropic summit]

outwheled

[gritty ridge]

Ill record a lib run

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge one attempt worth a shot is indom lib or at least double buff lib against cindy, vesti can be RH buffed for the other deficit team

[gritty ridge]

Wdym

How double buff if no rh

[tropic summit]

guessing this for now

the only problem is if lib is in time before dying to cindy

the good thing is that cindy is in p1, chances are that team is promoted to 2RL if noah gets enough splash

oh actually SWHA also gets that extra burst gen iirc

you might be 2RL there

[gritty ridge]

Snow gets extra cindy gen too?

Im 2rl with trina

[tropic summit]

think i heard someone mentioning it b4 in this chat, probably kuwon

[tropic summit]

go with that as benchmark i guess

without trina for now i mean

as long as you get lib to land nuke by 3.3RL i think you're fine

[gritty ridge]

I didnt see this

Video sending

[tropic summit]

🍿

[gritty ridge]

If I had atk on lib, I think I would win

[tropic summit]

sh*t so close

sassuga lib, fearsome

[tropic summit]

maybe try with drakeT giving her passive atk%?

any offburst atk% buffer

[gritty ridge]

Thats abt the same result as scar btw

[tropic summit]

noir also gives atk% or crown

[tropic summit]

oh oke rip

[tropic summit]

ye 40% atk lib hits harder than 8% atk lib

even just 20% might do

[gritty ridge]

Ill revisit after a week or so of rocks

[tropic summit]

sounds good, might work at that point

[gritty ridge]

Ive been working on snow

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/kamome-kashima-higeneko-pirate-we-can-do-it-gif-274952637162916095

[gritty ridge]

Scar being the monster i built her into just to match the performance of an 8% atk lib is scary

[tropic summit]

keep in mind lib pays that price by being catchable by 1RL slower noah

[gritty ridge]

True

[tropic summit]

makes her rather weak on def, but strong on atk

[radiant coral]

“I will try my best!” - Miranda before getting vaporized

[gritty ridge]

Yeap

Thats her standard experience

Sometimes she gets to shoot alot when its a 5rl team

[glad meteor]

Big boi booli miranda

[radiant coral]

Yeah she sure gets lucky from death by firing squad

That Nayuta team was close tho

[gritty ridge]

Indeed, a crit would most likely win, but im gonna roll her for atk

[radiant coral]

Woulda been an easy match up if it ain’t for that Snow White

[polar valley]

@tropic summit update, yesterday setup u give still winning, solid rock, hawk just tuah me twice yet lose, defense doing great

[gritty ridge]

Snow white, liberalio, and helm are a whales best friend in pvp

Theyre all fast and are pve units

Btw @tropic summit, I wouldnt be in challenger even if not for you

[radiant coral]

Barely hanging on in challenger

It just seems like everyone just collectively agreed to whale all of the sudden

[gritty ridge]

No, I have like 75 blue defenses from the bottom 5 in challenger

[radiant coral]

oof

[noble python]

So 3rd came back and now their 1st team is somehow surviving

Their teams didn’t change at all nor did the CP

So now I’m confused af

[unique wagon]

[noble python]

Prydwen mod :0

[gritty ridge]

[unique wagon]

[gritty ridge]

Are you not gonna kiss me back?

[fleet peak]

Switched to Centi, got beat. Looks like Helm outhealed SBS’s damage, and Blanc triggered Noah’s S1 enough times to basically nullify damage after their invulnerability ended.

[gritty ridge]

You took an sbs indom into a bisc locked team

@tropic summit please tell me thats not what you reccomended

[noble python]

@tropic summit

[unique wagon]

he did not recommend SBS

[fleet peak]

They recommended 2RL indom, not specifically SBS.

[gritty ridge]

Thank you kisenix

[gritty ridge]

If they are using biscuit and a defender p1, you cant use sbs indom

Use snow white or vesti there if you have them

Rrh would also work

[unique wagon]

no

[fleet peak]

Wouldn't a machine gun be a bad idea against Noah & Jackal?

[unique wagon]

they will outheal

[gritty ridge]

Her bombs still aoe

[gritty ridge]

Noah isnt linked, mg wouldnt matter

[unique wagon]

this team is hard to beat

[gritty ridge]

I would siren/soda scar but im assuming not an option

[fleet peak]

Siren and Scarlet are built, but Soda isn't.

[gritty ridge]

You can try siren scar, they dont appear to be siren proof

Noah will survive but thats fine, she does no dmg

[unique wagon]

time to whip out the Rosanna

[gritty ridge]

Rosa

She would also work, but i assume nobody builds her

[noble python]

Like their Moran is now healing through Indom Vesti TU

[gritty ridge]

That uh... shouldn't happen

[unique wagon]

yeah no shit Helm lifesteal

[gritty ridge]

Nah, vesti clears nero moran, she should eat that team

[unique wagon]

Different comp

[gritty ridge]

Similar lifesteal

Only difference is trina buffing her max health really

[unique wagon]

Bay likely hard carried here

[placid bloom]

PvP quitter

[gritty ridge]

I havent quit yet, its just highly likely

[unique wagon]

Hard to kill Moran if Bay spreads dmg

[placid bloom]

it is the way

[gritty ridge]

@noble python show vesti ol

[unique wagon]

and no enemy is weak to fire

[noble python]

Didn’t change Vesti OL at all I didn’t change anything and neither did they

[fleet peak]

Scarlet / Trina / Siren / HelmT / SWHA

Anything I'm missing?

[gritty ridge]

I know that, im just wondering what lines you have

[unique wagon]

probably crit differences

[gritty ridge]

That should work, is that fine for the rest of your teams batteries?

Or is this rookie

[gritty ridge]

Oh

Only 23% atk

[fleet peak]

Rookie. Low stakes, I'm just sick of this guy whaling on me

[gritty ridge]

Yeah that should work then

[noble python]

Yeah but she won last time

So idk what changed

[gritty ridge]

Like kisenix said, most likely crit dif

[noble python]

Wdym? Like she didn’t crit or smth?

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[noble python]

Well what should I do then?

[ivory violet]

Get lucky

[swift mango]

B3 DPS in Arena. Scarlet is still the most reliable and doesn't need Blanc/Bay/Noah to work. Maybe Vesti a bit better but that's it.

Even Cindy is better than Libby, SW without protection.

And your Scarlet is anything but a monster

[fleet peak]

No dice 😭

[gritty ridge]

Ok I was wrong, eyeballing is hard. You'd need rosa or soda to kill with scar

[gritty ridge]

40% atk 20% crit rate 60% ammo

[swift mango]

Get her 50% ATK then I'll call it monster

[gritty ridge]

No

I aint spending 9 billion more rocks on her

Also I wasnt saying scar is bad, I was talking abt that specific situation

[fleet peak]

I have Rosa, but she's not built. I put 4/4/4 on her and an R doll, but she's been shelved since. No OL. The rest of the team is hella built so CP is close enough I'm not worried about dropping to deficit though.

Anything specific she needs to succeed, or is just landing shots enough?

[gritty ridge]

40% atk minimum

[swift mango]

Scarlet could be stopped by Bay, Blanc, Noah, Biscuit so yeah she is kinda bad.

[gritty ridge]

7 10 10 rosa

[gritty ridge]

Shes fantastic on attack and in CA

Scar rosa/soda also is still great on defense

[swift mango]

40% atk Rosa and you will need to pair her with 2 41% atker in CA.
30% is enough.

[gritty ridge]

What if I have 4 50% atk sg with her

But yeah I suppose 30% is enough for standard use

[swift mango]

Then have it

[glad meteor]

Can you run

jackal snowhite/vesti(alt) blanc xmaiden helmt

Noah biscuit snowwhite helmt redhood?

[fleet peak]

I have both of those comps built - VestiTU is underinvested atm, but everything else is playable.

[glad meteor]

The second team should be fine technically, they’re helm bursting instead of sw bursting

[fleet peak]

Tremendous. Finally got it!

[gritty ridge]

This is why youre a better chef than me

[fleet peak]

Thank you all for helping - genuinely couldn't have done it without y'all

At least, not without having to buy chips, which isn't about to happen in rookie arena...

[tulip quest]

It won't work if it's the peak of 2 RL frames he uses SNOW H.A and HelmT 2 fastest burst gen + Jackal too fast 2RL for siren stun

[fluid lotus]

I don’t PvP, does anyone know who’d win this matchup?

[swift mango]

@umbral belfry

This match up is new, so it's hard to say. Whether Midhara dot or SW slow attack win it the end. I would bet on right because SW is very slow

Probably enough for Cindy to wipe and Midhara dot to finish them off during 10s indom

[swift mango]

@umbral belfry
Tell me the result of this match up when the result is in, thanks.

[unique wagon]

right wins

[swift mango]

It would be funny if the match ended in a draw of 2 Rumani shot out.
But Midhara dot should finish Rumani off.

[unique wagon]

left wins

[swift mango]

[unique wagon]

ok right wins

[swift mango]

If SW is anything like Emi right should win.

[unique wagon]

it actually depends on how fast Hime's biscuit charge gets used up

is SW gets 2nd shot off after both immune expire gg

also depends on who gets indomed tbh

[swift mango]

It doesn't matter. So long as Hime could burst she would have 10 sec indom as well and Cindy nuke most of left team for Midhara dot to finish the rest

[unique wagon]

Mihara might get indomed

[swift mango]

That's what's happened in 2rl Emi as well.

[unique wagon]

SWHA deals more dmg to Fire

[swift mango]

If Midhara got indom then Hime is kinda screwed yeah.

[tropic summit]

yes it's my fault, i've poisoned you

[swift mango]

Vote with your instinct. Btw Hime is a girl.

[tropic summit]

SBS is not the right indom for that matchup though, use vestiTU or SWHA or emilia or RRH
SBS is hard countered by noah + biscuit, as distributed dmg on invulnerable target deals 0 dmg

[tropic summit]

that is not...

[swift mango]

That's your recommendation

[tropic summit]

depends who's surviving, only moran? if so they might've invested in def% OL and/or tempering

[tropic summit]

it's not, he asked how indom is built and i told him how it's built and an example, i didn't tell him to use SBS

[swift mango]

So it was you.

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

what a booly this blood

[swift mango]

So you did recommend it. If you didn't say "no SBS" then it means it's possible.

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-dorothy-pipe-bomb-gif-4643514375044855612

[ancient sun]

What are good counters for this team? I was told that Moran Noah THelm Buscuit Trina works but I don’t want to remove Trina from Scarlet Jackal team

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-dorothy-doro-plot-gif-4212094118612625100

[swift mango]

A Rossanna

[tropic summit]

1) midhara slower indom

• blanc rumani midhara biscuit flex (4RL)

2) rosanna to assassinate vestiTU and SWHA, you then just stall vs drakeT

• noah biscuit helmt ros laplaceT (1 quantum needed on either noah or laplaceT)

3) facetank vestiTU with hyperbuffed moran

• moran noah trina biscuit helmt

[ancient sun]

Interesting. How does Rosanna assassinate those two? I am genuinely curious

[tropic summit]

rosanna B1 on 2RL happens before enemy gets to blanc B2
assuming vestiTU isn't full HP and rosanna is properly invested (7/10/10 40%+atk, SR5-SR15) she can 1hitko any unit
water code, such as helmt or SWHA, can be lethalled even on full HP as long as you've a bit of ele atk (20-40% generally sufficient)

lastly, rosanna is also a direct counter to jackal, as she breaks jackal link on 1RL, preventing enemy from sharing damage between 3 units

[ancient sun]

That’s very promising if you invested into her!

[swift mango]

You don't need 40% AtK, they have blue doll, and Vesti p2.

[tight finch]

Do you understand SW burst timing logic?
For example in mirror SW indom even if atk is slower both seem hit burst at same time and favors defense? 🤔
I assume its related to her fix charge filling both teams at same timing?

[tropic summit]

ye in this case a non invested ross can probably pull it off here

[ancient sun]

That sounds wonderful long term. I still don’t have laplaceT to support that team unfortunately

[swift mango]

Maybe some Ele in case SW isn't linked but I doubt he needed much investment

[ancient sun]

Is there a particular reason why laplace is there on the team specifically?

[tropic summit]

this works too in case, laplace is needed to reduce p2 hp, but as blood mentioned it's a blue doll unit, might not even need help from splashers

laplace also helps you hit 2RL

(vesti does the same here, with better p1 p2 p3 splash pressure pre burst)

[ancient sun]

Got it. I will try and tell you how it went

[tropic summit]

beware that team above needs vestiTU to be at least 4%CS

if you've 4% or more you're good to go

[ancient sun]

I have 10% no worries

[grand plaza]

You can try to use Bay to prevent Lib wipe, but you need good burst gen. Try to cook on

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[rustic sandal]

You're too late I already won.

And now I'm unceremoniously tossed down to Challenger 9.

[grand plaza]

Yeah its what it is without a solid defense team and thats hard to create while focusing on pve

[rustic sandal]

I'm not lucky enough.

I don't have the essentials

[rustic sandal]

This I used.

[grand plaza]

Slowly

[rustic sandal]

I can only compensate...

[tropic summit]

to encourage you, the average lad is generally stuck between dia1 and dia2
those who put effort, can generally hang around ch4-ch10

i'd say you're better than the average, and even then it's dependant on your bracket, e.g. if you're unlucky and have a lot of dolphins/whales, those will make your ranking drop inevitably

[rustic sandal]

What effort? You mean effort in spending money.

Dw. I'll get a job soon!

[grand plaza]

True

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/komi-san-money-gif-23666553

[rustic sandal]

Well, I can go toe to toe with the spenders in my bracket. They're definitely not whaling super hard. If they are, they'd be 250 already.

But I heard bracket is changing, so that means I might spend a year hanging out with 20 whales.

[ancient sun]

Very neat!

Thank you @tropic summit

[tame vessel]

[tropic summit]

very neat, went as intended, both attackers ded on B1 2RL

blanc then inevitably misindoms on jackal

[ancient sun]

I am also surprised to see that thelm can still heal on indom units

[tropic summit]

ye same goes for distributed dmg, if unit isn't invulnerable, lifesteal and distributed dmg still happens

[ancient sun]

Invulnerable isn’t the same as indom?

[tropic summit]

nope, different effects

invulnerable: hp does not drop
indom: hp cannot fall below 1hp

[shell hazel]

nice work

[ancient sun]

Damn I learn so much

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-okay-hand-okay-ok-gif-4805455976431926600

[tropic summit]

ye it's written in her kit, CS% is fixed to 1.2 continuosly
regardless, try to not mirror indom unless strictly no other cards to play, it can get very RNGy on reload timings and ammo count

[white compass]

Thank you. I appreciate you 🙏

[tight finch]

True I didn't think of ammo, mihara wont work at high def i also assume.
Trying help someone beat indom sw at 20% without vesti or rosa 6 vs 8 ammo so maybe can be rng with extra ammo line or bastion maybe

[tropic summit]

hmm alternatively use a weapon class with high fire rate and ammo capacity

e.g. a RRH or scarlet can shoot and hit more often than a SWHA would

since you dealing with SWHA, avoid links with a fire code unit in it though

[tight finch]

I considered scarlet but I dont think they can kill noise at 20% tho?

maybe rapi with ele actually

[tropic summit]

what's the enemy team like?

[tight finch]

noise, sw, vesti, blanc, rumani iirc

[glad meteor]

Vesti on deficit

[tropic summit]

oof that sucks, dot heal + blanc heal would suck for scarlet on deficit

RRH on deficit would also suffer against that team

in fact that team on deficit is actually pure evil if you're vestiless

[glad meteor]

Anything on deficit with vesti is pure evil

P1-3 is just dead unless biscuit proc or nayuta

[tropic summit]

even more evil if vesti is behind DR + max HP increase + DoT heal

[tight finch]

Yeah its blanc biscuit and jackal keeping p3 alive to burst, and without sw its tricky to get burst before dead

So sw charge timing annoying

[tropic summit]

[tight finch]

Might get them try bastion sw for 1 extra bullet to last to end of indom for gacha otherwise its just lost to cp i think

[tropic summit]

worth a shot

[tight finch]

Glad my sw roll ammo now actually

[tame vessel]

is there anything i can change guys?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[leaden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[tame vessel]

yes i know the hdr screenshot thing

[shell hazel]

if anyone wants to see your images and put up with that - then I respect them for it lol

[tropic summit]

the first thing to change is the brightness of that screenshot

[tame vessel]

[tropic summit]

as for the teams T1 and T2 look kinda weak

post a screenshot that doesn't blind me looking at it and i can take a look

[tame vessel]

here

[ancient sun]

Does Blanc 2.5RL bursts in time before Scarlet’s nuke?

[tropic summit]

change them to this

[tropic summit]

2.5RL blanc would not burst against scarlet 2RL, as you'd be already dead

[ancient sun]

Hmm

[tropic summit]

2.5RL is on B1 when 2RL is on B3

there are a few exceptions when CS% is involved or SWHA is involved

SWHA 2.5RL seems to be in time for 2.5RL B2 to be cast before natural 2RL (no CS%) casts B3

[ancient sun]

Yeah I am trying to build SWHA + Blanc combo

[ancient sun]

That sounds absurd xdd

I wonder why

[tropic summit]

because it's not a 2.5RL but closer to a 2.2RL-2.3RL

[ancient sun]

Yeah that makes sense then

[tame vessel]

thats gonna make my cp go down quite bit

about 80k

[ancient sun]

What are general rules teams? As I understand I need to keep SWHA in p1 and somehow alive

[tropic summit]

collapse 2 teams with faster burst gen then and keep a slow but very high CP 3rd team

you can use https://nikke-deck.web.app/ to check if you're 2RL or 2.5RL

[tropic summit]

that's a complex question to answer, because you need to understand arena general concepts, speed, meta and positioning
i suggest you start from here https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

then check pins for recommended teams to get a generic clue of meta units:
#pvp-arena message

finally check other guides that go in-depth for each unit merit and demerit

[tame vessel]

Can i replace lib for liter

[tropic summit]

then you've only pepper B1 and in p1, you'd need to re-arrange the team

[tame vessel]

also my scarlet is kinda weak

thats why i havent use her in pvp yet

[tropic summit]

thats fine, work around the units you intend to build and make teams accordingly, as it stands with your current teams:

• T1 will be skipped and noah is wasted there, also most of your CP is in there
• T2 is too slow to matter, doesn't have antinuke either
• T3 is easily dealable against because it's a lib B3, noah 2RL or 3RL can catch it, it also doesn't have indom so it will lose to indom equivalents

[quick lake]

SWHA doesnt like to be in P1/2 because she’s water coded and there’s alot of electric pvp nikkes in general. Ideally P3-5 if possible, otherwise squishy SW

Tldr for team building: Good Speed, good nuker (with sufficient buffers), watch out for positioning/taunt

[covert lintel]

Without 2 sac attackers, no matter where you put her, she's always squishy

[tame vessel]

[ancient sun]

I understand these rules. I didn’t convey myself properly. What I mean is I have problems to understand how specific synergy or Nikkes work. Before today I had no idea that Rosanna is able to assassinate two highest ATK units. I knew that she counters jackal and dispels buffs.

I could just ask for a better team here and people would build it for me. I actually want to understand what specific Nikke accomplishes in certain situations

[tropic summit]

ye that's why it's hard to answer it, you'd need to ask specifically for each single unit and how it synergizes or counters another, that's what pins are there for

[tame vessel]

u dont even know what indom is

[quick lake]

Good to ask here for pvp synergies. learning Pvp team building is mostly from yapping in this chat

[tame vessel]

[tropic summit]

@ancient sun highly suggest keripo tierlist, while not updated on the very latest units, it covers most of the pvp core units that are still in use

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

[signal hull]

Could use some help dealing with this. Always some shit preventing me from winning on literally last hit.

[tropic summit]

T1: anti nuke it, bayT or noah
T2: noah biscuit vestiTU, out trade it on same speed
T3: rosanna their attackers or slower indom (e.g. midhara slow indom with blanc rumani p1 p2)

[signal hull]

Don't have midhara

bay is also uninvested

[tropic summit]

skip T3 then and deal with the other 2 easier ones

[ancient sun]

I am trying to figure out how to trigger Blanc indom on SWHA since I need her at the lowest HP. But I need to make her survive till Blanc bursts. I want to use RH as burst 1 in the future for SWHA but at the moment I dont have her.

So my two issues: buff SW enough for delayed nukes and keep her alive.

[tame vessel]

i dont even know what u guys talking about

[ancient sun]

Thank you. I am gonna check it out

[tropic summit]

blanc alone is enough to be lethal on SWHA assuming you're not dealing with deficit

jackal SWHA flex blanc flex

flex units should ensure you're 2RL and the linked unit should've more HP than SWHA

example of indom

examples:

jackal SWHA drakeT blanc centi
jackal SWHA laplaceT blanc centi
jackal SWHA vestiTU blanc centi
...

[tropic summit]

bay needs to be 4/4/4 2OL to be already usable for all it matters

[signal hull]

Never really used Bay, is there some special positioning to her or something, I think she only works if her cover is up? Does she really completely soaks Scarlet nuke?

[tropic summit]

ye she can tank single hit nukers namely

Scarlet bsoda pmaid reit

[ancient sun]

It triggered on sbs because of all linked units she has lowest HP since link works in percentage HP?

[tropic summit]

ye SBS helmt and jackal are linked, SBS and helmt due to being the 2 highest atk%
at that point, link is the one with the lowest HP in the team, as blanc cannot indom herself... and since dmg is shared equally, the unit that starts with lowest max HP will still be the lowest max HP

that's the most reliable way to ensure you indom the unit you want

[ancient sun]

That’s genius!

[tropic summit]

you can enforce higher/lower hp further with vigor cube

although in general you should always have flex units with higher HP, typically treasured units

drakeT and helmT are typically high HP

same goes for laplaceT

or high core units ofc

[ancient sun]

I think I understand enough right now. I will build team with available units and see how it performa

Thank you so much!!!@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

rookie is a good place to test those, you can also check linking via shooting range, enter ur team, pause, check buffs

[covert lintel]

My besti team is finally breached
I bet he just uses new SW since she's weak against water

[tropic summit]

now you can use your superior intellect to devise a new unbreakable defense

unleash the privaty

[covert lintel]

I don't have an intellect like you

I'll use 2rl moran first

[signal hull]

Nope. Can't do shit to this guy. Scarlet team is easy (used my own Scarlet/Trina/HelmT/RH/Jackal - Scarlet always dies before the burst, but Helm finishes the job), but other two - loss after loss. It's getting really frustrating and he's about to make a 20 level jump...

Is there really nothing safe and guaranteed to beat either of his team 2-3?

[tame vessel]

[hybrid bough]

Hello guys. How do you beat this type of defense in rookie arena with lower cp?

[tight finch]

blanc vesti/sw

[hybrid bough]

like blanc siren vesti helm jackal?

anyway thank you

[tight finch]

Dont even need siren just gotta make sure you get indom and they die. depending on deficit might need blanc + biscuit to survive. blanc/vesit/sw or helm /biscuit/jackal or similar should work

[hybrid bough]

Got it. Thank you!

[tropic summit]

T2 is dealt with noah biscuit vestiTU flex flex 2RL or indom vestiTU or rosanna their water codes, noah biscuit helmt ros centi (or laplaceT, or emilia, or vestiTU), any 2RL
T3 you need to kill blanc to prevent them from indomming, rosanna'ing this would be difficult as p4 will be full health, e.g. scarlet vestitu laplaceT blanc jackal (or rumani)

[umbral belfry]

slow cindy wins that

even if mihara got indomed, there's a result page of that happening and they won

[tropic summit]

blanc rumani midhara biscuit cindy (assumes midhara is highest atk%, you'll get helmt to kill her, DoT pops, you then nuke with cindy while noah pants are down)

[hybrid bough]

Will try. Thank you!

[tropic summit]

try to stay below 20-24% deficit

[hybrid bough]

Got the win. Thank you very much!

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-meme-knife-gif-13655503135447721047

[swift mango]

You will know in 13 minutes.

6

[umbral belfry]

but if rng dooms me so be it

YEAAAAA BABYYYY

[shell hazel]

[dense kindle]

@umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

oh i popped off

[shell hazel]

grats Hime!

[umbral belfry]

oops wrong blood

ty hippo!

[shell hazel]

makes sense a bit as your indom runs out later right?

so SW indom does not beat slow cindy indom

[umbral belfry]

I'll record

[pure moss]

[umbral belfry]

we did it

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/djkhaled-dancing-footwork-its-another-one-gif-12164541

[pure moss]

Shall we win our next CA as well

[shell hazel]

tenshi lost so I didn't get my credit boxes

[umbral belfry]

[pure moss]

I'm adjusting my comp for next CA. Will use swolwhite this time

[swift mango]

Nice to know you still win even with Midhara indom. Congrats on the champ.

[shell hazel]

tenshi lost mirror match 3 lol #pvp-arena message

[covert lintel]

How about you

[swift mango]

My 10 minutes cook got cooked yesterday. So I know I put Nero team in wrong order.

[pure moss]

my slow cindy lost to slow cindy

my cindy didn't even burst

[glad meteor]

Their team isn’t slow tbh

[swift mango]

It's just how that match up works. You only had a chance if you put cindy p1

[umbral belfry]

ty! as long as cindy bursts it's a win

[glad meteor]

Rumani died too early I guess?

[shell hazel]

an rSlash watcher as well?

[pure moss]

yes

[swift mango]

There is problem with their Rumani doesn't affected by biscuit but yeah..

[umbral belfry]

not in a long time actually LOl idk why i'm still subscribed

[pure moss]

methinks I'll get the frame as well

[swift mango]

Would be more interesting if their Rumani survive thanks to biscuit.

[shell hazel]

I guess despite all the max cores the attacker has the advantage in the mirror match

[fast nest]

damn lost at final😭

how the hell this lost

[shell hazel]

attacking SR's hit p5 where defending ones just get forced to hit p1 moran

I'll have to remember that

[fast nest]

Rapuzel's hp didn't go below 30%. its vesti's attack was too weak.

[umbral belfry]

looks like their vesti was too baby to get rapu low enough, i used to run that too

even though your rapu is also baby

[fast nest]

it looked no attack line.

[pure moss]

lost to underinvestment

oh I reached plat, nice

[shell hazel]

next step: red

[pure moss]

maybe in 2 years

[shell hazel]

nah you got this

[pure moss]

took me 2 years for blue

[swift mango]

purple first

[fast nest]

Even SR1 and no investment at all. How the hell they didn't let my rapunzel's hp be 30%.

[umbral belfry]

ngl i'm surprised she didn't go under 30% too 😭

when i tried my rapu was sr15 mlb (chest leveled), so i can understand why i didn't

but yours look low at least from cp

guess that vesti has no atk lines

[fast nest]

This was the hp right before my rapunzel burst.

[fast nest]

Even though no atk line, there were noise, jackal and noah attacking rapunzel.

[hollow lagoon]

can i haz rockz today

[umbral belfry]

yes

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel got a sekret cook?

[wind kelp]

Libby, Cindy, Rapunzel, SW:HA, Red hood. New meta. burns the milk on stove I'm a chef! (Maybe cindy libby 🤔 )

[valid inlet]

congrats @pure moss @umbral belfry ✨ ✨ ✨ ✨ ✨

[fast nest]

Congrate all who won at the final

[fast nest]

I found even no cs line. I wonder how vesti has 140k cp.

My slow cindy lost to scarlet + SWHA.
When this team is on attack, SWHA attack p5 Mihara and Mihara dead by counter.
The timing when she dead was right before SWHA's second shot.
Of course my low investment could be the problem(4OL R15), but in my opinion, it may not that different with SR15.

[umbral belfry]

ty nana! the star finally came to me after fishing for months

[swift mango]

Well, the problem is your p5, it keep your heal too high, too much healing, not their investment .

They only have vesti but you have 3 healers

[fast nest]

no. soline didn't heal rapunzel at all.

[swift mango]

boost Max hp. And heal if Rapu down to 15%

[fast nest]

just his dmg was too weak and his 4th missile landed after burst.

[swift mango]

that's not dmg but cs

[fast nest]

dmg + cs probem.

[fast nest]

soline heal just little. not that much.

[swift mango]

try to not bring soline next time.

[swift mango]

Rapu also heal herself

everything round up.

The HP boost rapu would heal to full before Vesti attack no?

[fast nest]

I will show you vid and what the hell happened.

[swift mango]

They maybe less invested but you also too much healing

[fast nest]

no atk line, no cs line. rapuzel burst was done before 4th projectile.

[fathom sparrow]

Does LaplaceT fit into any of these teams if I max her doll and skills?

Box

[fast nest]

hmm he may have cs line but still. The 3rd projectile didn't let my rapunzel's hp down to 30%.

[swift mango]

Vesti isn't that strong normally.
Like I said, your Rapu and HelmT have max HP buff from Spline thus heal harder.

[fast nest]

I saw vid again and it looks rapunzel burst was faster than his third projectile.
It seems he had no cs line but cs cube.

[swift mango]

Yeah that's normal. Especially if you had CS in your team

[fast nest]

my rapu didn't have any OL. I just gave her cs cube and it let this game lose

[swift mango]

OL doesn't really matter much it's more about dupe and doll

Vesti alone doesn't kill anyone. They need absolute or another dps to bring you down to low HP.

[fast nest]

my rapu has SR1 doll and no investment on equipment + 1 limit break.
Rapunzel's hp is very low so that her heal is also low. THelm has very low heal.

• Soline didnt have any active heal.

[swift mango]

Spline give Max hP to both Helm and Rapu, that already negate the lack in OL and doll, cube.

[fast nest]

wdym. Soline heal just 10% of her hp when ticket holder's hp become lower than 15%. Using this cannot make rapunzel's hp over 30% of her hp. Even my soline has R1 doll. Her hp is way lower than rapunzel.

[swift mango]

Activates at the start of battle and when using Burst Skill. Affects all allies.
Issues 1 ticket, up to a maximum of 2. This effect is continuous.
Ticket effect: Max HP ▲ number of tickets * 10% of the caster's Max HP.

[fast nest]

yeah. just 1. but number of ticket is not erased before 6sec. That's all.
The way that it let anyone alive from sg is it activated by pellet.

[swift mango]

It give everyone max HP boost. So your HelmT+Rapu effectivo equiped with 10% HP cube

actually more for HelmY ofc

So your effort of bringing low invested Rapu were negate by soli e

[fast nest]

it boost just "max boost.". not all hp