pvp-arena

[hollow lagoon]

[lone sequoia]

that reminds me... f-ck lib

[hollow lagoon]

On 10/10/10 mast no less

[glad meteor]

Laplace s1 doesnt do anything in pvp does it

[lone sequoia]

s1 is the explosion range?

[haughty mortar]

Tower

[lone sequoia]

those skills are just more cp

that is the reason we full 10 jackal

[shell hazel]

gimme all your skill books and dolls maybe I will 😛

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

oh and gear xp

[haughty mortar]

NO WAI!

[lone sequoia]

you need to get cp in some way if you don't get dupes

[hollow lagoon]

@haughty mortar Prydwen makes rolls like crit damage and crit rate seems like trash value, and massively advocate ele, but in reality it dosnt matter as because some one like a regular whale won’t be able to 4/4 ele attack new units every raid, at the moment the way the meta is going it’s more effective to build hyper carries not totally leaned into 4ele and run strong neutral comps instead of half invested ele advantage

[lone sequoia]

do not use prydwen.... unless you want to compare information so as data base should work

[hollow lagoon]

Prydwen’s way of advertising rolls can apply to day one players that have resources piled up, not people like me who’s constantly running on fumes

[shell hazel]

but it's still fine from what I can see for skill levels

and that was my main point

[hollow lagoon]

Skill levels is kinda moot, hyper carries 10/10/10 meta supports slap as much as u can

That shit’s a work in progress even for me

Is my mast even 10/10/10?

[lone sequoia]

and when it doesn't work just boost your sync

[lone sequoia]

my wasuka is still 4~7

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel I think this guy out skill me

[shell hazel]

no chance lol

[hollow lagoon]

How my wasuka is 9/7/7

[haughty mortar]

I 10 across her before Libby and Nayuta for Crack

[shell hazel]

I got a number of 10 units as well but your skill count massively higher than mine

this was true last time I checked and I think it would be true now if your blabla is open still I can check

[hollow lagoon]

Cuz I’m happy running many units on 7/7/7 and 8/8/8

[haughty mortar]

I save skill books. I can technically get 1 more nikke at 10 across but am saving for Cindy ( Cindyless )

[lone sequoia]

give golden books

[shell hazel]

7/7/7 is still mostly good, I have stuff stuck here

[hollow lagoon]

Always open

[shell hazel]

but I lack even that in many places

[hollow lagoon]

I feel I’ll regret not investing Bready

But I’m giving up on 0.5% bracket

[shell hazel]

I think I can OL soline a bit just for the extra dmg it may bring

[lone sequoia]

base OL and full 7 is enough

[hollow lagoon]

Her skill levels is what made me decide to not invest

[lone sequoia]

no soline and no bade, can't use the selector or pull before new treasures

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t have water books to make 7/7/7 and I had a 1 OL 6/6/6 core max phantom lying around

So I just invested in phantom

[haughty mortar]

I too lack Soline. Damn SG team ><

[lone sequoia]

i have like +5k water,+3k of the rest and +12k for selector

[hollow lagoon]

I didn’t even OL tove

[lone sequoia]

but stuck at 2m pvp currency

for like +1year

[glad meteor]

i started splurging some stats on arena units and ran out of doll mats for new treasure

[hollow lagoon]

I can whale the other skill books but the elemental code books is what limits me

[haughty mortar]

Code?

[versed mesa]

I have everyone expect Soline, but don't want to use the selector on her just yet, hoping I get her with wishlist

[lone sequoia]

you can just merge, exchange some puppets or try luck with the 200 mat box

[hollow lagoon]

Lacking Soline just use Bsoda

[haughty mortar]

VIRUS SHARE!

[lone sequoia]

the elemental items, yep

[glad meteor]

Yeah, i have a lot of r dolls

[jolly dune]

what was it

[shell hazel]

what is it you mean?

[lone sequoia]

i always buy the 3 + selector if i already have more than 5k (only water)+ the sticker item

[jolly dune]

Even if I press and enter, nothing comes up

[shell hazel]

does it work for you @hollow lagoon ?

[tropic summit]

she has niche usage

[lone sequoia]

water overclock next week

[hollow lagoon]

Why is my A2 so strong I don’t remember 10/10/10 her did I get hacked?

[lone sequoia]

rail alive?

[tropic summit]

he was already a lost cause, priscilla corrupted him long ago

[hollow lagoon]

[versed mesa]

Legends never die 😎

[haughty mortar]

Rail sensei!

[shell hazel]

oh sorry zanta something gone wrong lol

[jolly dune]

What file is it?

[shell hazel]

me fix

[jolly dune]

oh ok

[haughty mortar]

If y'all interested I can share my spreadsheet gaming file as well? Very detailed with macros

[lone sequoia]

i play the game

[haughty mortar]

Also when receiving a file via discord, make sure to go into properties and UNBLOCK it

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/england-america-hetalia-aph-anime-gif-14259098450968121933

[jolly dune]

Please mention me when you're done fixing it

[lone sequoia]

is that hetalia or something?

[tropic summit]

sassuga

[shell hazel]

that should be corrected now

[tropic summit]

hippo spreading trojans via macro in xlsx files on the net i see

[swift mango]

Well, I don't think soda can stun Rosa unless she gets hit and be out of concealment. HelmT nuke couldn't target Rosa either even if she highest ATK.

[lone sequoia]

1 target; 2 target, i think soda can stun if you are lucky

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/couplegoals-peachmad-peach-and-goma-gif-22393884

i think i need to recruit some one for my union again

[swift mango]

Okay, my bad, the description for concealment specifically listed 1-target skill

Sorry, @median flare for misinformation

You still need to burst fast enough over me ofc, not that hard to do unless I sac'ed 2.

[shell hazel]

there you go @hollow lagoon and some headline stats (don't know if anything else here means anything really)

Skills  2210
SR-15   45
SR-5    34
R-5     2
R-0     17
None    71

Hippo
Skills  1716
SR-15   32
SR-5    16
SR-0    1
R-5     5
R-0     33
None    75```

[hollow lagoon]

rip

[swift mango]

It could happen but they could play Libby.

[shell hazel]

skills is sum of s1 + s2 + burst

[shell hazel]

tbh no regrets - it's volume lol

someone I doubt I'll ever build more with more CDR being released slowly

[hollow lagoon]

oh........ my volume core 7 she has the bulk to live

[shell hazel]

we have 5-6 CDR b1 now with addition of soline

[hollow lagoon]

i shoved a 0/7/7 on her

[glad meteor]

Just wait till treasure comes

[shell hazel]

sure if so then I'll live with it 😄

it's my only SR-0 though so I'll worry about it later

[glad meteor]

I have sr0 for fasuka

[hollow lagoon]

prob wont matter untill she gets a treausre, and then the burn will hurt

[glad meteor]

My fire raid invest was pretty weak then

[hollow lagoon]

i have no ol no skill fasuka s-0

[shell hazel]

cores are interesting

Zanta
Cores  1072
Count  170

Hippo
Cores  523
Count  163```

[glad meteor]

Fire raid doesnt have core anyway. No need invest

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

each nikke is 1-11 cores, so 170 nikkes will be a min of 170 cores

[hollow lagoon]

core max privity when

[shell hazel]

your fish waifu only c6 shame

[hollow lagoon]

do i even like privity?

[hollow lagoon]

which is why i didnt pull core 7 rapi

and why lib and nayuta and sbs stuck core 5

[umbral crown]

Besto shieldo indeed

[hollow lagoon]

[deep kayak]

can anyone suggest me some defense team comp for sp arena? ik there is some on pin but i suck at making comp

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel so my favored waifus are first row

[swift mango]

Maybe it's time for Aha to finally get his revenge against me after he keeps losing to me.

@worldly osprey you could do it! Get your revenge too!

[hollow lagoon]

if i copium gambled 15 rocks to get an derpy line 3 for helm to stay there i can do a lot to keep it that way

@shell hazel also ever since i core 7 cindy and then got a copy not long after i feel bad lol

[shell hazel]

you overloaded 59 units to my 46 as well zanta

it's harder for a direct compare on that

[versed mesa]

I've gotten Soda dupes like 5 times after already getting her to C7

[swift mango]

Me kinda bricked today as well

[hollow lagoon]

i over loaded niche stuff like ninja delta

also overloaded Bade cuz hot

[shell hazel]

yeah just a stat, just shows you're ahead a bit and probably will be that way for a while haha

[hollow lagoon]

and enuhwa just for the CA

[shell hazel]

I will overload b.ade basic one at least

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

I plan to overload anyone I run often in raids

[hollow lagoon]

i should overload soline and tove

but u know, no rocks lol

and as for liter........ she dont even scale caster atk i'm just not feeling it

[shell hazel]

I did OL liter way nearer start of the game

these are my water dps btw, I ol xlud and qeq but had no ele on initial, kind of garbage, especially xlud

initial OL on xlud is just charge damage and def 😄

[swift mango]

to me if it's dps 4/4 pieces. If it's support and not my favorites, 2 pieces.

[shell hazel]

I figure a bit more can't hurt, +0 at least

base OL + 1 rock and no re-rolls on random supports prob

I need to fix snow white + cp pad out anchor and mast for snek 🐍

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

your water dps def a whole lot better than mine

[hollow lagoon]

[gaunt pulsar]

kinda bricked doro 0 ammo lines, stuck in reload

[swift mango]

Snow White new appearance finally fit her voice. But I still like her old appearance more.

[shell hazel]

yeah no rocks :9

hime ate em as usual

[hollow lagoon]

crown on sg team @shell hazel

it aint pretty but its very valid for this raid

[shell hazel]

would be more bricks then prob

[hollow lagoon]

dont think so

i'm considering it

[shell hazel]

well we'll have to mock anyway

[swift mango]

rising from 0 to 5 cost credit

[shell hazel]

it does yes

[swift mango]

and one equipment which you may not have

[shell hazel]

also true

[swift mango]

or better saved

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel my black smith set anyhow

[shell hazel]

I'm slowly catching up anyway

in terms of getting my units ready I mean

like pvp is good don't need to spend resources there too much anymore

[swift mango]

Just go Helm+Body/Arm and you won't be missing much.

[shell hazel]

my campaign stuff is mostly done, so raids is next units to build

[hollow lagoon]

my pvp could be better but i dont wanna

feels like MG team is too much damage taken stacking but the solution aint pretty either

[swift mango]

I would still go maxing helm/arm/body + doll new units as needed.

[shell hazel]

yeah I mean I can start there and build out more later

as an optional thing

means I can get more units ready then

dolls are a big issue for me, I've got 32 SR-15 per the stats but that has taken me 13 months

we had the drake event as well, which added some, so I think still on average I could only SR-15 2 units per month

[hollow lagoon]

i max dolled modernia

[shell hazel]

I've been settling on SR-5 more but even then :9

I'm going to 7/10/10 anchor btw

[swift mango]

That's normal.

[shell hazel]

once that is done her skills are complete

[hollow lagoon]

btter than my 9/10/9

[shell hazel]

i'm out of everything though

[hollow lagoon]

you think i aint?

[shell hazel]

no gear xp, no rocks, no doll mats, no skill books :9

[swift mango]

better than my non existence 111. And future 777.

[shell hazel]

hime stealing all of them

[hollow lagoon]

u dont love maids

[swift mango]

@umbral belfry

[swift mango]

my mast is 101010

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/makima-stare-dont-care-didnt-ask-gif-27550700

where's your emma anyway, surely she can fit a pve SR team

how you gonna spread propoganda if she's not in there

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-eat-ticket-summon-dorothy-gif-6254959793726031037

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/emma-emma-tactical-upgrade-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-tactical-upgrade-gif-7321750377686884214

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-steal-ice-cream-gif-9705636

[worldly osprey]

i’m on the def side, and i’m the underdog in votes. x2 power buff i definitely have a real chance to win

[hollow lagoon]

now take emotional damage from non animu version

[tropic summit]

🫱 💥

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-gif-7072784515607921070

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-standing-gif-11190578825639642317

[swift mango]

good luck

[worldly osprey]

libby is a nuker not like swa need time to charge

[swift mango]

Libby has like 2 second delay. SW charge for 3 seconds.

[swift mango]

I mean libby would wipe bay and ignore her cover.

[placid bloom]

SW charge is a bit weird because she can be partially charged when B3 cast, it's not like she starts charging from 0%

I think natural 2RL SW charge shot is always blocked by natural 2RL Noah

ofc they will die to the AoE after anyway

[umbral crown]

This

100% true

Like all of them went to mimir

[worldly osprey]

yeah i know that already. but it’s actually not about ignoring cover. it’s just that her normal attacks hit so hard that the cover instantly drops to zero hp

[pale knoll]

[tropic summit]

gave em a shower

[noble python]

And Challenger 3 took the spot back but now it’s time to take my spot back against them hehehe

[swift mango]

@median flare yeah I got 2 sacc in at 4th SG shoot so your Soda wasnt fast enough.

[noble python]

Challenger 3 Round 1 and Round 3 Defense Round 2 defense is impossible to beat bc of Indom Vesti TU so I always skip that one

Box begins here if needed

[tropic summit]

invert the teams

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Soon

[pale knoll]

[noble python]

Kk

[hollow lagoon]

they switched order

[tropic summit]

0 effort just literally shifted them around

[hollow lagoon]

i know

[tropic summit]

they think marin is stupid

[versed mesa]

I've won defense a few times like that

[hollow lagoon]

he could be but we neurolinked here so hivemind take over

[versed mesa]

Opponent prolly just autopiloted without checking

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hivemind-gif-18388037206579404249

[tropic summit]

just too lazy to change his def

[tropic summit]

as for his vestiTU you'll need your rosanna built, once that's done you can actually take em

[noble python]

Oki

[tropic summit]

looks good, you beat them with these b4 right? @hollow lagoon

[shell hazel]

@umbral crown did you win?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hp-harry-potter-snape-always-stare-gif-17584635

[shell hazel]

rosy champ run confirmed?

[tropic summit]

jk

he didn't win lotto RNG arena @shell hazel, slow cindy into lib

[median flare]

i tested and sure that my soda is stun when my scarlet has 6 ammo or soda has exactly 700 ammo, so it kinda close. plus im too lucky with scarlet's counter

anyways good luck in next match

[noble python]

Challenger 3 has been defeated

[tropic summit]

now gem and hit ch1

[noble python]

I can’t do that lol Challenger 1 has massive CP advantage their teams are in the high 50,000’s and 60,000’s

[tropic summit]

then there's only 1 thing left to do

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[noble python]

Idek what I could buy to help that XD

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

it's cool, ch3 is pretty gud, hold it tight now

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/metajimcarrey-gif-23939340

[noble python]

I can try Challenger 3 is just gonna beat my Defense and come back tho lol

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown git gut and guess team ordering better next time, how silly of you to run slow cindy into lib

[shell hazel]

Rosy I feel like Railtracer is being fair and objective

do better next time

p.s. I didn't die in qualifiers honest

[tropic summit]

i mean i died kinda the same way, counteroni into counteroni, clear skill issued

[tropic summit]

improve your team ordering skills

[shell hazel]

I mean prediction skill issue clearly

we just need to invent time travel and correct any mistakes

[noble python]

This is what the Challenger 1-6 bracket looks like now XD

[shell hazel]

I mean they might be winning but you got gigatits so I'd say you winning

[noble python]

XD

[umbral crown]

Nope uwu

[shell hazel]

how is your commander level so low?

[umbral crown]

If libe team was Team 2 i would have won

So far my T1 and T5 never lost a fight

[noble python]

Mine? I don’t push past CP deficit story stages XD

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[hollow lagoon]

seems like it, taste the lazer and vesti bra pad

[umbral crown]

Next time for sure, trust

[tropic summit]

and sent SWHA to the shadow realm

[umbral crown]

My libe team gonna be in a way she never will meet noah

[tropic summit]

i've heard this phrase since... 25 seasons?

[umbral crown]

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

although it's a good mindset

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/doro-dorothy-spin-washing-machine-gif-1366949080072669118

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-doro-dorothy-pipe-bomb-gif-4643514375044855612

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel prob core dust allergy

[umbral crown]

I will try to get ready absolute team before beta season ends on S30

[tropic summit]

give core dust to marin, be a good guy

[shell hazel]

commander level is mostly a product of outpost efficiency I think?

[hollow lagoon]

he allegeric he will die

[tropic summit]

i see, you're doing for their sake

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/marin-kitagawa-marin-kitagawa-bisque-bisque-doll-gif-24546949

[tropic summit]

what a good man

[shell hazel]

only if she looks like this ^

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/marin-kitagawa-kitagawa-marin-marin-kitagawa-season-2-gif-1795056254110549565

[tropic summit]

we were so close to greatness in the last ep

ultra baited up until the end

[hollow lagoon]

replace with viper

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-looking-up-willem-dafoe-willem-dafoe-blue-willem-dafoe-meme-meme-gif-10294496856248602941

nikkeart going strong as always

when are they releasing an alt version that is actually usable of this lass @hollow lagoon

or just give her a treasure that makes her actually playable

design is great, her kit is utter garbage, huge betrayal

[shell hazel]

not until I get the Marciana treasure I've been waiting for

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-marciana-whipped-burst-animation-gif-1478976720450571588

[swift mango]

Soda needs to be around 0.3rl faster (or whichever time Noah s3 shield delay takes) to stun opponent b1 before they burst. And my SG team bursted at 1.7-1.8RL RL thanks to 2 sacc, your Soda won't be fast enough.

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/smug-smug-anime-smug-face-gif-23056382

[swift mango]

Could @kind palm on that.

[hollow lagoon]

give treasure, make projectile travel 100% faster, and 50% attack dmg up on burst burst cooldown to 20 sec, good nuff for cindy slave also electric defender projectiles pierce

[shell hazel]

@lusty gull did we change ordering mechanic so that it's based on 2RL burst gen? I feel like maybe it should be 2.5 or 3

because vesti TU way down the list due to low 2RL with no CS

[hollow lagoon]

waiting for treasure

[lusty gull]

yeah, i already think about doing something about this but i don't know when
i would like to add a way to sort by rl we want and with or without cs threshold, also save the state

[vale forum]

Is there a good spot to slap SWHA?

[tropic summit]

T2 and T3 need to go

s.anis is long since out of meta, T2 what is biscuit even doin' there

post your box and let's remake those 2 teams

[wild hemlock]

Can you turn off the dynamic camera thing in pvp

[tropic summit]

4 at a time

[vale forum]

In hindsight, probably would've just been faster to say who I don't have

[tropic summit]

no this is actually better, i can tell investiment and give you further tips

[wild hemlock]

I can't even really see what happens on my replays with this pvp camera jumping around

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta trina swha rh noir
• jackal vestiTU laplace blanc centi
• rumani siren lib helmt noah

Notes

• invest in your utilities, especially noah, jackal, biscuit, rumani, centi (in this order)
• invest vestiTU
• finish laplaceT
• invest rosanna on medium term

Switch to these teams only when vestiTU and SWHA are done

[wild hemlock]

Surprised drake and sugar died at the same time despite all 5 hitting sugar vs only 3 hitting drake. Maybe core diff too good in mirror

[vale forum]

Hm. Ok. I'll do those teams and build what isn't done already

Thanks, I appreciate it

[tropic summit]

you welcome

[wild hemlock]

Guess they crit on rosanna burst and I didn't or something

[hollow lagoon]

Just need a damage buff to be amazing

Would become main sg b2 for fights requiring sustain immediately

Or do pellet count to make her bit more niche

[shell hazel]

let's do it

[hollow lagoon]

Make her decrease hit rate of squad but increase pellet count by 50%

spray and pray

[wild hemlock]

Man my slow cindy vs nana played exactly how I thought it would except Trina never got the mihara dot and they just didn't really take much dmg

[timid blaze]

Can I please have some help building both arena teams

[hollow lagoon]

Sad

[worn ridge]

What are u mihara stats?

[haughty mortar]

Railgun sensei are you here?

[wild hemlock]

I only have SR5 doll which makes me wonder if that would have somehow made the difference

But everything else is maxed

[swift mango]

make her finally combo with bay. and fix her

[wild hemlock]

Yeah only thing I could change is get doll to 15 but no clue if that matters here. Not sure why they didn't take that much dmg per tick maybe mihara died to fast to bad rng from scarlet counter

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/vhs-vintage-camcorder-video-spinning-gif-1073241402710629899

[wild hemlock]

And for anyone wondering like me noise+bay does in fact not do jack vs Lib burst

[wild hemlock]

Is that a no it's so annoying lol

[placid bloom]

to be fair Bay cover eating overkill damage was probably not intended to begin with

now it is truly just HP share

[wild hemlock]

[umbral belfry]

it is indeed a no

[hollow lagoon]

Yes

My bay swha comp died to a lib

[wild hemlock]

[haughty mortar]

So Bay overhyped?

[swift mango]

bay is bugged

[hollow lagoon]

Either bugged or fixed

Does bay still block a very buffed scarlet nuke?

[haughty mortar]

So........overhyped

[swift mango]

see was never hyped. But now she got shit on thanks to every single new dps ignore her cover even if their wording shouldn't like libby.

[north brook]

Shes always just been very mildly usable

I dont think anyone thinks shes that good just sometimes a barely functional poor mans noah

[umbral belfry]

what's your vesti stats

[wild hemlock]

It's 21%cs

[swift mango]

I think I won this exact same match this ca. but I use noise Noah Libby instead.

[umbral belfry]

your ele

[north brook]

Mostly thing with bay is we are desperate for defensive team support so shes sometimes the only option

[wild hemlock]

They have max core units they were not dying. My Noah didn't die vs their giga vesti setup either though

[haughty mortar]

Where is ele?!

[swift mango]

she at least give 8% dr on burst and healing even ifher cover doesn't work.

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

nah Lib definitely dies to 4th shot with enough ele, and Helm burst will be blocked by Bay

well you will have to sac all your cs to fit ele

[umbral belfry]

I agree

[wild hemlock]

Ask @valid inlet what their vesti stats are then

Cause they didn't kill me either

[umbral belfry]

think I only failed to kill one moran noah with 4 atk and 3 ele, but it was vs another vesti not lib

[swift mango]

there is no 4th shot with Noah s3. And there was Moran/noise S3 as well.

[umbral belfry]

p2 noah living absolute

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

or rather lib

[wild hemlock]

Yeah lol so like idk maybe they have no ele but my core 2 Noah lived vs that

[swift mango]

you just need enough CS so your moran burst and negate their ele

[wild hemlock]

Yeah probably what's happening

[swift mango]

it's normal for that team to survive Vesti alone. They need absolute, or synch shot or high dmg vest+lap+emi, or RH buff to able to kill noah p2 with Moran/noise 2rl

[wild hemlock]

Moran burst comes in before 3rd and 4th shot basically if they have 21% cs vesti

think impossible to block 2nd shot until they release another op pilgrim

[swift mango]

your team is barely 3rl what did you expected?

[formal quiver]

isnt everyone in your bracket a 6 month old account with 0 invest

[umbral belfry]

sir it was against dpx!

the noah living absolute is more if anything

[swift mango]

it's just visual trick, both bay burst effect and scarlet burst animation have delay. But it's mostly Bay burst.

[wild hemlock]

@valid inlet ggs no clue why i lost the slow cindy vs scarlet tbh my mihara did 0 dmg i guess. Also confused on how you killed my drake with 3 units as fast as i killed your sugar with all 5 maybe core diff or you have more invested sg's than me idk, i think your Ros crit as well and mine didn't?
Go beat the cn overlords for me pls ty

[valid inlet]

@umbral belfry @wild hemlock
I am a bit surprised too, maybe I should try squeeze another ele lines

[wild hemlock]

my noah is built diff

jk nana also has low ele like me

[umbral belfry]

you sillies with your low ele

[valid inlet]

It was able to one shot your Blanc before tho

[fast nest]

Mihara dead too fast. No time for her spreading chain.

[wild hemlock]

yeah was going to max her doll and then snow white came out, but now I'm thinking I go back to maxing mihara doll maybe she lives a bit longer then

[wild hemlock]

that was a while ago before I had blanc doll maxed n stuff I think

[valid inlet]

My SGs are having 3 or 4 atk lines

[swift mango]

it's purely your team building problem in this case because your team wasn't fast enough. Even if it was noah who burst you would still getting slashed.

[wild hemlock]

I don't think she even had tempering

[swift mango]

[wild hemlock]

was like sr5 vigor

[wild hemlock]

same as mine then, maybe just core diff I was sort of expecting to kill sugar a bit faster than you kill drake since it's 5 people hitting sugar vs the 3 on yourside but they died same time and then your Ross crit I believe so I got ripped

[swift mango]

Noah will get stunned, if siren p2 doesn't stun Noah the it's because Noise steal stun. Or their team has too much feed. Just put the darn team into nikke deck.

or nikke.top

[valid inlet]

It’s very likely I’ll lose tomorrow tho unless miracle happens , I’m better positioned against our cn lord at the lower bracket this time but I probably can’t reach final

It’s always fun meeting you, good luck next season

[umbral belfry]

believe

[valid inlet]

Are you still alive? Good luck too 🤞

[umbral belfry]

thank you

[swift mango]

if you wanted to invest in ade, invest in ade. But they serve different purpose and ade instead of Bay in this same match up won't change a thing

[placid bloom]

well it is 2RL is Noah is linked instead of Cinderella but Idk who has Noah that has higher Atk than Cinderella

that person would truly have strongest Noah

[valid inlet]

It was more cr% optimized but it's obvious now I should get more ele%

[wild hemlock]

My Noah will be P5 until further notice

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

I'm chilling with 4 atk 3 ele

[valid inlet]

I dunno maybe I got more crit, also I believe Sugar dmg is higher than Drake by default

[umbral belfry]

deciding to go 4 ele though at the cost of less cs

[placid bloom]

but even 20 team cs Bay does not burst before Scar nuke if it's not Noah link

[wild hemlock]

The downside I noticed is if you're too slow then even if you have more ele the enemy B1 like moran might burst before more shots. If my Emi had a bit more CS my moran would burst before nana's 2nd vesti shot even hit

[placid bloom]

it's time to go 8 ammo who need to plan for long fight

[umbral belfry]

yeah I'm trying to think if I wanna keep 3 cs 3 ele or 4 ele 2 cs

decisions decisions

[valid inlet]

personally I think ~10% cs would be enough so the first shot can still hit Scar after her invuln?

[umbral belfry]

true

[lusty gull]

you are speaking about tvesti ?

[valid inlet]

Yes yes

[haughty mortar]

BESTI

[lusty gull]

the optimal is 11%, otherwise 8% but yes avoid more than 11 except if you want to reach faster the burst

or if you don't care about hitting scarlet during immune with first shot

[haughty mortar]

So VS cindy nuke it's always Noah Biscuit?

And indom SBS is always Jack Blanc?

What was Centi's role?

What normally is used with Scar Trina?

[swift mango]

Ah you meant Ade not Ada. My bad. Ade also doesn't need much investment. Could bring her 444 sr0 and base OL to CA. Be careful that she could steal link from Noah though

[swift mango]

4 ATK 4 ELE 4 Crit/CS
Then use her with absolute and mast. Doesn't need to burst because you can't.

[haughty mortar]

Vesti?

[swift mango]

You won't

[swift mango]

Yeah, we have a smol whale in SEA able to win against Emi thanks to absolute disregard Burst speed.

[haughty mortar]

Wasn't her 3rd line ammo and CS?

[placid bloom]

you don't need ammo if fight end in 4 shot

[haughty mortar]

I mean, she's not JUST a PVP unit

[swift mango]

You don't really need ammo in PvE. Just need multi of 4

[haughty mortar]

Yes so 2 lines

[wild hemlock]

Yeah from messing around in nikketop I think 5% is too slow vs any fast b1 buffer teams. 11% at least I think is better. If my team was max invest in theory 5% vesti only gets 1 hit in before moran b1

[swift mango]

8 is 4 x 2.

Zero line

[haughty mortar]

You don't say, math genius

How do you get multiples of 4? Just no lines?

[wild hemlock]

In this team moran is 2.4sec B1 burst timing but it can be even faster with more Emilia cs or quantums

[swift mango]

What else

[haughty mortar]

She has other purposes. Why pigeonhole her into PVP only?

[swift mango]

Because only pvp need 16 Ammo. PvE needs none. So it's not PvP only.

To go with 4 ATK 4 ELE 4 crit

[haughty mortar]

So why is 2 ammo 2 CS recommended?

Lies?

[swift mango]

You lose regardless, if they got to 2nd round

[swift mango]

CS is for Arena. Ammo is to use her full burst timing in Arena.

Zero ammo in arena is because you win without using her full burst

[haughty mortar]

[wind kelp]

Just two more guesses correct for a frame in league. The next fight is 55 commander levels above the other, with better unit comps(at a glance), and more than 20k CP difference in most units. bet they lose somehow 😄

[umbral belfry]

gimme your cs

[versed mesa]

I need to build up Rumani, she fits in so many teams.

[wild hemlock]

My emilia only has 15% cs atm she's next on the list to get to at least 18% but after some of the new units I think I need 21% on her. All the other units are what I have though

[umbral belfry]

imagine having emi

[wild hemlock]

[umbral belfry]

[wild hemlock]

surely she comes back

[versed mesa]

PvP wasn't even a consideration for me during that collab, or to be honest for most collabs

[cunning crown]

emi brackets are without honour

[umbral belfry]

I wasn't even playing so I didn't didn't get a chance

[versed mesa]

I didn't even pull for collab units most of the time, unless hot enough

[swift mango]

for reference, my Vesti is the true Neutral Vesti build with

4 atk, 2 ele, 2 ammo, 2 cs, 2 crit rate

[haughty mortar]

NOT 4 ELE?!

I thought Ele was the go to for Arena

[wind kelp]

I have Emi only becuse i started nikke during that collab, no idea what the game was, let alone pvp. And every nikke since now XD Just missing chainsaw.

[versed mesa]

My mindset was always "why would I waste pulls for collab units, since there is no way for me to mlb, much less C7 them so they will just be weaker than other characters." didn't realise at all that some characters kits are good enough even if you don't have multiple dupes to still be useable.

[swift mango]

who ever said that?

Attack is the most important stat for dps in Arena bar none

[haughty mortar]

Coz ele advantage no?

[swift mango]

you don't get to choice which ele you will hit but your opponent or RNG

[haughty mortar]

This is Bloody true

[swift mango]

Sometime you don't want too much atk on certain units thanks to interaction like Rossana dispel and Jackal Link, even Helm/Drake nuke. But still you wanted as much as possible. Then replace the missing ones with ele and crit

my rossana is settled for 3 ATK for example. Becuase she doesn't want to be dispelled by opponents rossana.

[haughty mortar]

Rosy O'Donnel

[quartz rover]

This bozo won't leave me alone

Also vigor on the swole white doesn't prevent her from getting indom 😔

[haughty mortar]

Vigor 15?

[quartz rover]

Hell no

Vigor lvl 5 or something

[haughty mortar]

That's why

STEP ON IT!

[quartz rover]

My resilience cube isnt even 15

[haughty mortar]

I AM 40 BATTERIES AWAY! THIS WEEKEND!

[wind kelp]

Oh and btw; the whiplash i got in the tone of the game going from the happy joy re:zero event into the nikke story, ouch 😄 (still have re:zero as my lobby music though XD)

[swift mango]

summer 2024 "take the first step" was the best BG music in this game. Fight me.

But yeah, I also use Re zero on another slot

[versed mesa]

Both of my rivals have figured out how to beat my current defense, but I don't know what I should change to maybe prevent them from beating me, or atleast slow them down a little

[swift mango]

Well, it would have been better if you won I guess. Because my teams won't win against that smol whale teams anyway.

[haughty mortar]

Sorry my fellow PVPers. I did say I would record, but Nikke was not cooperative with OBS ><

[wind kelp]

My holiday vacation teams, maybe something there?

[wind kelp]

I really should go through all the music, haven't in ages.

[versed mesa]

You have so many of the ones I haven't built that I can't really go for any of these, thx though

[shell hazel]

you don't really need OBS if you have an nvidia gpu and their tools it has a built in screen recorded function

did you win at least?

[hollow lagoon]

@umbral belfry gib me 3 rocks and milage, I knew it deep down you still love me

[umbral belfry]

[marsh fjord]

Hey did anyone else’s rookie arena get a hard reset? like a REALLY hard reset

[haughty mortar]

Team Red 4 Life!

[shell hazel]

this happens every season reset you won't see players yet, beat the bots and players start to show up

[marsh fjord]

Thank you fellow commander o7

[hoary maple]

I never noticed before but yeah everyone except me is these bot lvl 15 accounts

[marsh fjord]

And you’re pretty much alone in the rankings

[hollow lagoon]

Tf

My tove end up with unreasonable level of OL

2 atk 4 ammo

And all high rolls

Her power is right next to snowwhite with level 0 OL

@tropic summit

@shell hazel between soline and Tove I chose Tove to OL since she gets used in coop some times

[shell hazel]

i'll do both in the end tbh but I can't do both before raid ends

@haughty mortar we win or no? 😄

[fast nest]

so many absolute squad in CA

[wind kelp]

All good, we work with what we got 😄 These are scrounged together from other teams and then replaced with what i had as well. So always an option; for example throwing rapunzel in when there's a Emi etc. Ke i find is to find 6 def teams and rotating them daily, cause people are lazy and try to hit with same stuff without looking 😄

Finally got around to 999 OLing Serendoro. The initial stones...well...it's a "start"

[worn ridge]

Does rossana burst bypass bay skills ?

[rustic sandal]

Aha! So attacking at 8 PM means everyone's offline. I found my crutch.

[glad meteor]

No. Bay cover can tank ros burst depending on timing

[worthy knoll]

Err no.. it just means the actual players haven't logged in yet after the season reset. Beating the bots doesn't make players show up

[shell hazel]

oh it's signing in? lol I figured you had to beat em to get placed 😄

either way I just always fight the bots day 1 saves me bullying actual people for a day

[noble python]

I lost Challenger 3 this probably isn’t possible due to CP deficit right?

[shell hazel]

you're fighting at deficit. time to

[noble python]

I can take Challenger 4 probably at most

They have some weaker CP teams at the back end

[shell hazel]

you can get in range of those yes

do you know how to calculate the required cp? useful to know

[noble python]

Somewhat

I’ve seen others do it

But idk how to myself no

[shell hazel]

it's opponent cp * 0.846, use a calculator app if you need to, to check you understand let me know what you'd need to avoid deficit on left team

[shell hazel]

yep that is your min required, it's always per team

right team doesn't look very fast but you have to be wary of vesti damage to your p1 - p3 positions

[noble python]

Very true

[noble python]

^

[umbral belfry]

@dense kindle may rng bless me

[shell hazel]

you can try and cut down right team with scar jack 2RL, do you have Noah or no?

[dense kindle]

I already voted for other person

Jk I know you’ll win

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[haughty mortar]

[shell hazel]

oi sorter

you win or what?

[haughty mortar]

oi

YEAH!!

[shell hazel]

you never answered me just ran away 🙁

[haughty mortar]

Gracie

[noble python]

I do

[haughty mortar]

I DID MESSAGE EARLIER!

[shell hazel]

you just said you couldn't record not if you won or not lol 😄

[haughty mortar]

#pvp-arena message

Ohhh yes I won!

Can you give me a crash course in PVP?

[shell hazel]

good stuff, so that was without biscuit on the noah right?

[shell hazel]

see how this looks for the noah team, we could also try to get siren to stun the noah but scar is less lethal

[haughty mortar]

It was the teams you gave me. Noise with Noah

I need Doll kits for the SW:HA!

And for Besti

Is SR today?

[shell hazel]

it's overnight yes

you could also try this so we could see if siren gets taunted by Noah and manges to stun

[haughty mortar]

OK Great! Doll kits and batteries!

[shell hazel]

for the left team we'll just want a vesti with noah comp

[haughty mortar]

I was thinking about Scar x Trina and when to use that

[shell hazel]

it may or may not work on right team depends if they get noah b2 in time

scar is easily countered by noah if you hit wrong timing

[haughty mortar]

So Scar is out of commission?

[shell hazel]

the left team they have is pretty slow we may not even need noah tbh

[haughty mortar]

[shell hazel]

if you have any cs on vesti then you're 2RL

[haughty mortar]

I rather not risk getting nuked from orbit

[shell hazel]

if vesti bursts then rapu dies and they can't b1

this is for marin

[haughty mortar]

She literally has 1 OL and it's ATK

Marin?

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

same as the scar team

[haughty mortar]

Nayuta easily countered. Requires 2 nikke combo but still

[shell hazel]

no not really sorry, you'll have to study a bit on why the teams you get recommended work.

put them into the deck like you did earlier, see who is b1/b2/b3 and see why they get countered, don't quick play your matches record/watch them

everything I learnt was by doing this and getting some help here ofc, but I can generally cook my own teams now if I need to, the meta doesn't shift that quickly

[haughty mortar]

OK will do. But with only 2 attemps, it feels horrible basically gambling when I don't understand.

[shell hazel]

it's better to try to cook your own teams then ask for help vs just ask for help without trying first I think

if that makes sense

the basic concepts I described earlier so if you understand how to use those mechanics you will also start to grasp how the opponent is using them
#pvp-arena message

[versed mesa]

I am the opposite, I feel too scared to ask for help so I tried learning the hard way on my own, and lurking the discussions in here from time to time

[haughty mortar]

What I can do then is like dry run. See the teams being faced, punch in a team I think may work, look at it and then talk here about it

[shell hazel]

yes exactly

but those 3 main concepts - if you get how/why you use them the rest is easier to work out

the left team that marin posted, what do you think the opponent is trying to do here?

[versed mesa]

Even when I did ask for help a few days ago, I just shared the enemy team lineup and Rail helped out with suggestions for archetypes, but I still built the teams on my own

[shell hazel]

yeah you will learn more that way for sure

[haughty mortar]

I heard Bay is a great defender, but not really appreciated in PVP. We got Cindy nuke, Rapunzel rez Bay, Biscuit shield. SBS just offburst

[shell hazel]

there actually aren't that many variants of attack options

[haughty mortar]

What was Bay's kit exactly? HP increase?

[shell hazel]

re-read the 3 points I mentioned #pvp-arena message
hint: bay is a defender

[versed mesa]

Only issue for me is sometimes if an opponent has an off meta character subbed into a team and I am not sure if there is a synergy there I am not aware of or it's just combat power padding or simple mindgames

[haughty mortar]

We are doing #3

[shell hazel]

largely off-meta is too slow to be usable, and would lose to a good 2RL as a result

right, so the twist here is you can't kill bay, rapu can't res bay (because bay won't die)

[haughty mortar]

Yeah

[shell hazel]

in pvp everyone attacks p1 by default unless taunted or otherwise mechanics change who they target

so everyone shoots bay down to 50% then biscuit kicks in and makes her immune for a few seconds

[haughty mortar]

Yeah, then if she dies she gets rezzed

[shell hazel]

but she can't die for like 5-6 seconds or so

by then the match is decided anyway most likely

[haughty mortar]

Coz Cindy nukes

[shell hazel]

it will take a few seconds to knock bay down to 50%

and then she gets a few seconds of literal invincibility

biscuit can do that twice, either to same defender, or to two different defenders, that is her per match limit

if opponent has bay at p1 and does not have a defender at p2 then bay can get immunity twice in succession

[haughty mortar]

So they are banking on Cindy immune

[shell hazel]

possible as well yes

as bay + cindy would both get splash damage and could therefore both go immune

the weak link in their burst chain is rapunzel as she is the only one who can b1, but even though opponent team is slow, she is harder to kill at p3

rapunzel is a supporter not a defender so she does not enjoy any special biscuit protection

you have two ways to win this fight:

• you go super fast AOE nuke (which vesti speciailises in for example)
• you slow yourself down and out-trade

Cindy is good for one nuke then it's just single target easy to manage

[haughty mortar]

So in this case, we have a taunter, an immune for 10 seconds at start, Trina buffing scar for nuke, and stun

[shell hazel]

they'd be too slow for siren stun to do much

by the time siren stun wears off bay can b2

[haughty mortar]

So not a good matchup

[shell hazel]

generally I'd just hit this with 2RL vesti, 2RL scar/jack

even 2RL lib should work

easiest solution is killing the rapu with the aoe

[versed mesa]

I am always so worried about the delay wit Lib hit, even if it seems like burst gen is fast enough

[shell hazel]

2RL lib is only slightly delayed

[versed mesa]

Usually tends to work out tho

[haughty mortar]

It would be AWESOME if they added a PVP simulator, or someone to create one.

[versed mesa]

Sure would, but it would cut into the bottom line

[haughty mortar]

?

[shell hazel]

they kind of do, it's just advanced tech and it doesn't show you who dies

[haughty mortar]

Where?

[shell hazel]

https://nikke.top/

you have to work out what it all means though lol

[haughty mortar]

Ohh

[versed mesa]

They hope people get into it enough to spend on gems and power to climb higher/faster, SU I mean

If they made a way to directly test ingame without that, well, they just wouldn't

[shell hazel]

lets use that team as an example

[haughty mortar]

The one you posted?

[shell hazel]

yes

this looks more complicated than it is
every unit is a line, the dots are hits
there is a line for burst ready => b1 => b2 => b3 chain

this is just opponent team, let's add a 2RL lib team on the attacker side

so we have even more lines now. but bottom set is attacker. top is defender

as you can see lib b3 fires miles before opponent is burst ready or even at b1

the dotted line separates the teams, the line you want to see for burst status is the "total charge" one

note that there is a small delay on each burst activating, which is why you see the set of 4 dots, the first one being burst ready, then b1, b2, b3

[haughty mortar]

So in this case the libby team should be well off right?

[shell hazel]

yes

this does assume perfect conditions, so no reloading by anyone, and no one dies before burst on either team

[haughty mortar]

It strikes more often allowin for faster burst gen

[shell hazel]

this is clearly not always going to be the case so you have to use this tool as a guideline more than a gospel

well this matches the deck in terms of overall speed

you'll note that the bottom one is 2RL becuase that is when it's burst ready, not actually b3 completed

[versed mesa]

Yeah, even if not in deficit, bad position on a weaker key character is rip

[shell hazel]

this is more advanced stuff but you can use it to fine tune things, or even like this to see how much of a lead the lib team may have in bursting

[haughty mortar]

I mean, the opponent team is slow af. What happens when the teams are closer in burst execution?

[shell hazel]

you can even add CS to units to see it change when the shots land for additional burst gen/speed

then it will be down more to composition

sometimes you can just clone the opponent team but change one unit and you win it lol

this is a popular old 2RL cindy team

[versed mesa]

I did that strat for far longer than I should have was always just that I had CS% diff or otherwise stronger team

[shell hazel]

do you know what wins? this

vesti just much better than cindy after noah expires

vesti nukes whole team, cindy gets stuck on one target

[haughty mortar]

You gotta stun the gremlin or kill it off

[shell hazel]

the point I was making

is that on a similar team comp/speed, better b3 can just win it

[haughty mortar]

I shall be back! I appreciate the insight!

[shell hazel]

np

[haughty mortar]

Time to work out!

[shell hazel]

a crash course of sorts I can't share everything I know but good to know how to use the tools a bit

placement can matter as well ofc

[shell hazel]

you may not be able to actually do that btw

if noise has taunt prio, and it's noise/noah instead, then noise will taunt siren

at 2RL speed b1 will never get siren stunned

[haughty mortar]

[shell hazel]

you can see it here because we already completed b1 before the stun

the stun line is static. siren does not get sped up by anything so her stun always lands at the same time

[noble python]

So this is R2?

[shell hazel]

yes

you could try the siren version for science as well
#pvp-arena message

curious to see if their tia or noah taunts her

moderate risk of vesti nailing siren though as she's wind code

[noble python]

Funnily enough didn’t have to try and take Challenger 4 Challenger 3 came back and took back Challenger 3 so I just beat them and got back Challenger 3 lol

They didn’t change their defense at all

[shell hazel]

just for illustration from the nikke.top site, I think you'd beat that noah comp with the scar RH

your b3 is instant and would trigger just after tia goes, but before their actual b1 or b2 etc

tia is re-enter b1 so has another dot to process and another delay

[versed mesa]

Would there be any diff there if RH and Centi were swapped positions? For splash damage or anything?

[shell hazel]

you could switch them if you wanted to ensure that centi b2 instead of rh in case trina dies somehow

vesti mainly pummels p1-p2 I think, p3 only a little

[versed mesa]

Got it

[shell hazel]

link with jackal is likely scar/rh/jackal

opponent jackal likely vesti/doro/jackal

only way that differs is if someone has bricked rolls lol

[versed mesa]

Feels kinda wasteful to have a re-enter b1 in pvp

[shell hazel]

attackers have the most atk by default, then supporters, then defenders. for a defender to take a link they'd need lots of atk rolls, meanwhile the attackers/supports would need like 0

yes it's bad, it's a good reason to never run tia as main b1

[versed mesa]

I'm sure whoever made that team had a plan

[shell hazel]

most just won't know

eventually I think people wind up copying defences they struggle to beat

[versed mesa]

I sometimes do that, but only if I have the characters built and my power is higher than their equivalent, then again they would most likely know how to counter their own team

[shell hazel]

so yeah by sync 400+ most teams are tougher to beat, or don't run stuff like tia tbh

as a general rule btw I still just use https://nikke-deck.web.app/ most of the time for speed checking

and then https://nikke.top/ more for fine-tuning stuff a bit or checking what CS does to speeds

sometimes worth assuming opponent may have some CS as well, so if they're like 98% 2RL chances are they fulfilled 2RL with quantums, CS, or jackal link or so

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-theres-always-a-bigger-fish-the-phantom-menace-gif-15951236

[umbral crown]

[upper gorge]

Is this a sign that I have to get into PVP? #gacha-rolls message

[cunning crown]

jesus

[haughty mortar]

AMEN! JESUS IS RISEN!

@shell hazel Sensei!

[shell hazel]

jesus h christ lol

I've never had 5 SSR in a 10 pull, let alone 5 good units like that

I think I had 3 at best

[worn ridge]

Guys need help who win this n1

Or n2

[ivory violet]

ngl man you'd have better odds flipping a coin and going off of that than trying to get help these things are really hard to predict

[tropic summit]

doesn't that require cores? hmmmm

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/good-job-cute-kawaii-alright-gif-14515542

[tropic summit]

what a trip

[keen vapor]

Edward Elric

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/zero-two-yes-anime-zero-two-anime-anime-girl-gif-2704573795378408610

@shell hazel @fathom rock top clearers last month for 34-38, feel like i've seen these names

[shell hazel]

nah man couldn't be me

[tropic summit]

what's the strat with mmast? just got her from selector as she refused to come since months

i suppose you alternate between crown and her bursting?

[shell hazel]

I stole my clear comp off @upper grove

[upper grove]

Rail pushing campaign?

[shell hazel]

I recorded the run here but it's the same as his - except his clear was cleaner 😄
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnnJv3Zi5oQ

mind if I link your video also?

[tropic summit]

i'm finally 501

[upper grove]

Sure go ahead

[shell hazel]

manual burst with helmT is super critical on this run

[upper grove]

Mald snake you can do it

[shell hazel]

need to get back into b3 asap

[umbral crown]

retro

[upper grove]

Retro cp at 501 same cp as you at 481 is still funny

[shell hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmRmZb8irKo
the warudo clear

observe timings of bursts and use as checkpoints for how on track you are, I noted them down lol

you may have an easier time of it with 501 sync if you got more cp - but injured rail not peak condition 😛

[tropic summit]

the man the legend

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

@upper grove @shell hazel what's the logic with bursting with mmast and crown though?

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-should-been-gif-23901254

in other news, my friendo pelg 523 tried to do the thing after 68 days but i guess he is not ready yet

[shell hazel]

boost cindy dmg as much as possible

[tropic summit]

so mmast when bursting with cindy and crown when with helmt

[shell hazel]

there are certain bursts you want mast on, have a watch of the videos (mine is def ropier lol)

[umbral crown]

hippo, give me 3 levels,i need to hit 481

[shell hazel]

yeah mostly to boost cindy output here

[upper grove]

Mmast is higher atk % buff than crown at 2 stacks or higher, better to beat the atk down in deficit.
Crown still buffs atk off burst

[shell hazel]

c m c c c m

[upper grove]

Basically funnel all the big buffs on cindy

As hippo mentioned behemoth is mainly a helm burst gen check

[shell hazel]

keeping track of mast buffs can be annoying a bit haha on top of everything else but you kind of get it eventually as you learn it, biggest issue is timing the rocks and the manual burst needed

I ran the game in 30 fps mode as well unsure if you did warudo?

[shell hazel]

you got it!

[upper grove]

Auto gen is too slow/not optimal enough. 3rd burst (1st rock spawn) you'll never burst fast enough if you don't control helm except if you are really lucky

[upper grove]

Yeah 30 fps for both MC and behemoth. Snake works at 60

[shell hazel]

basically with 1s left on burst I get helm ready to charge/shoot asap

that was kind of how I ran it anyway

[tropic summit]

CP is in range? just maxed mmast out

[shell hazel]

you got more than I did but hopefully your fingers are up to the task

def switch to 30 fps mode though it helped

[tulip quest]

You need to time burst right

[tropic summit]

usual routine, getting down the timings and getting that run out

[tulip quest]

or you get rock punished

[shell hazel]

yeah, I could eat a single rock from full hp

[tropic summit]

i've already learned from 481

let's see the difference with mmast i guess

[tulip quest]

HelmT gives crit Mast + crit

so really good combo

[shell hazel]

I gave rapi tempura cube or she died to rock if I was unlucky

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

being able to eat 1 was useful as I couldn't reliably always destroy in time

[upper grove]

Rapi fire eating behemoth water dmg is real

I didn't think of giving rapipi tempura, it's good to eat the rock. I had to reset every time I failed

[shell hazel]

yeah it would have led me to a lot more resets than I had

[haughty mortar]

Quit trippin

[hollow lagoon]

I was summoned

[hollow lagoon]

Nope just ol and advise

Man, a year ago, when the universe was young

[rustic sandal]

Huh. My SPA suddenly gone quiet. I've been in C7 for 14 hours now. Great!!!

[rustic sandal]

It's the railer tracer!

[hollow lagoon]

Clear Behe

If i Can do it so can u

[haughty mortar]

🎉

[umbral crown]

[jagged mesa]

i see im getting tripled teamed

[hollow lagoon]

[jagged mesa]

u better hope i cant hit 3% without fixing my water units @haughty mortar

[hollow lagoon]

Once a 3% always a 3%

It means ur units are up to par and any further I invest will just push u further

[swift mango]

And you didn't whale enough

[jagged mesa]

i never hit 3% on water yet

[hollow lagoon]

It’s ok

You will make it

[swift mango]

I never hit 3% on anything

[swift mango]

It's more about finding the correct timing to burst so you don't get shot down by the rock to me. Which is super hard as is.
Yeah, you could maybe burst faster making the timing less strict with playing on PC I guess.

[swift mango]

Now push to snake before you camp again

[haughty mortar]

Did you hit me?

[umbral crown]

[haughty mortar]

Please don't make me relaunch the game AGAIN

[hollow lagoon]

Daring arnt we

[umbral crown]

Rank 2

[hollow lagoon]

Just had to do some trimming

[upper grove]

Yeah 3rd burst/1st rock is when burst gen is either just barely in time or fail and die to rock

[umbral crown]

zant did the thing

[hidden geode]

mfw my PvP hater rushes to target me 5 times right at reset instead of doing literally anything else in the game.

[hollow lagoon]

Eww

A true pvper hits everyone

[haughty mortar]

I hit the spot that's right after me

[hollow lagoon]

Bolly

[haughty mortar]

I mean, if you're so high that I get to hit you 5 times if you're 2nd that's on you. But usually the 2nd slot rotates

[hidden geode]

I just hit whoever's at the top-most position and I usually try not to focus one person too hard unless they're acting like this particular guy. 😭 This dude has crashed out attacking me 13 times in Rookie one day once and also went on a 3 hour back and forth with me in SPA... I don't know what his fixation with me is.

[haughty mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-sragon-ball-super-broly-gif-12850163

[hollow lagoon]

I’m not second

I just hit everyone in top 5

The rest can figure their own shit out

They are also welcome to hit me

[haughty mortar]

If you are 1st and you hit the guy in 2nd you get most points

[hollow lagoon]

U assume I need points?

What do I need it for? To assert my position harder?

[haughty mortar]

The more you have the longer you stay at #1 even if you get hit multiple times

[haughty mortar]

EXACTLY

[hollow lagoon]

Why do u assume people hit me

[hollow lagoon]

Me and #2

[umbral belfry]

hey that's the guy I fought this ca

[hidden geode]

Hope you beat him. 😭

[haughty mortar]

HIT HIM!

[umbral belfry]

that'll teach that bully

[hollow lagoon]

Hit him once

[haughty mortar]

Way to go!

[hollow lagoon]

He can have fun trying to hit me back

[hidden geode]

Gonna cheer for you whenever I see you in CA now, real goddess of victory right here

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/trap-its-a-trap-star-wars-admiral-ackbar-gif-5740548

[hollow lagoon]

If he get thru it he unlock normal Mode

Which would be a random ass ca comp

And if he can get thru that I’ll have rail make me a hard mode team

[polar valley]

@tropic summit yea, he defeated me, any new tactics? Or keep it same?

Solid wall 😭🙏

[haughty mortar]

Did you record it? Do you have Jackal?

NM that is actually your record

The comp your Nayuta is facing is anti-Nayuta. Perhaps swap your T1 and 2?

[polar valley]

No luck.. total lost, only his T2 is Beatable, T1 and his T3 is solid

[haughty mortar]

Looking at your record you beat his t3

Treasure drake?

[rustic sandal]

Ch4.

Can I beat?

[fast nest]

Swap ur t1 and t3

[haughty mortar]

Swap your 1 and 2

[fast nest]

Oh cp gap. Nvm

[haughty mortar]

Why 1 and 3? He won 3

[polar valley]

I told u, i tried, my T2 sucks

[polar valley]

I won 2, not 3

1 and 3 total loss

[fast nest]

His t3 has siren. Thats why

[haughty mortar]

Wait are you defending?

[polar valley]

Im attacking of course

[haughty mortar]

Sorry I am getting confused LOL

[rustic sandal]

The Big 3...

Yeah they all have PvP essentials. I stand no chance.

[haughty mortar]

Grats!

[rustic sandal]

The fact that I made it to Ch4 even without 70% of PvP units is an achievement.

I cooked.

[haughty mortar]

GREAT THAT STUPID 🐳 (prolly a literal one too) is NOT in my rookie anylonger!!

No Moran or Jackal?!

And you haven't pulled for RRH?

[rustic sandal]

Yeah I think my bracket died. No one has contested my posting in Ch7. I'm literally an easy pick. I've been there for 16 hours. And now I'm in Ch4.

I might be able to reach Top 10 again.

[haughty mortar]

Nice!

[rustic sandal]

Oh wait I just jinxed it. Imma drop down to Dia 3 later.

[haughty mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-no-noooo-gif-7347380959994097336

[rustic sandal]

I hate this Kiett guy. Always losing against him.

[tribal hollow]

https://streamable.com/v9t192
So I feel like I just got done in by some massive BS here, unless I'm just uneducated on the matter. Can anyone explain why Rosanna burst hits my Noah in this fight? I've run this fight dozens of times and have never seen this behavior

[glad meteor]

Your Noah autos taunted ros burst since their noah is in p2

[tribal hollow]

Thank you! I learned today

[haughty mortar]

So just to confirm again, YOUR redhood team beat theirs. Ignore his T1. Too stronk. They are 2RLyou are at 3. Try this. Skip 1, you win 2.

[white compass]

Vesti with element make a big difference vs without? In pvp

[unique wagon]

Hello

Yes

[rustic sandal]

Still uncontested. 16H in Ch7 already.

[rustic sandal]

T2 and T3 seems beatable.

How?

[polar valley]

But the cp gap though..

[tame vessel]

[gaunt pulsar]

t2 is dead to sg or just to being faster
t3 almost the same but sg will get stuck on nayuta and they have vesti to constantly shot at your p1-p3
your main problem would be to be in range with those units you have

[rustic sandal]

Switch team pos or make new one?

[rustic sandal]

Oof.

[polar valley]

Thats why i say. No cure for this Hawk Tuah cancer, maybe only @tropic summit can do

[tropic summit]

from what i'm seeing, you used lib without anti nuke/anti snipe, which denies entirely the purpose of that counter if she's dead and the other team you put soline in p1? very weird approach

[polar valley]

So whats the solution? This is my current team

[tropic summit]

i dunno your box is like playing this game on very hard difficulty

very few tools to deal with this

[polar valley]

Damn.. so no cure? 😔

[tropic summit]

try this

you need to get helm treasured asap

at least she can give you 2 teams on faster speed

if you didn't use selector yet get jackal

you badly lack batteries

also get snow white HA built

essentially what i told you the other day

[polar valley]

Ive screenshotted

[polar valley]

Final arrangement, proceed?

[tropic summit]

T1 needs 268k... you're gapped, that's dead

[polar valley]

But to me, his T2 is easy to kill.. so isnt putting absolute squad to beat T2 is overkill?

Because i use my most useless team to againts that T2 is still a win, my problem is now his T1 and T3

[tropic summit]

absolute is nice and dandy but you can kill up to p3

they've jackal linked units which make them resistant to early pressure and noah is biscuit locked meaning you can't kill her

essentially, you're countered

T3 does sort of the same thing, p1 and p2 units are resistant to early dmg and they've a spare B3

[polar valley]

So where should i put this absolute team? Since i find that either of my team can kill his T2

[tropic summit]

you should just get helm treasured

you're penalized on speed because you're lacking the tools

[polar valley]

Take time.. 😔🙏

So rn no cure final confirmation?
Does
Nayu
Emma
Vesti
Eunhwa
Libe
Againts T3 winnable?

[tropic summit]

check CP with this next

[polar valley]

Noted

[tropic summit]

gonna try to get helmT to kill your emmaTU and give you time to kill their p3, if only drake is alive maybe you can somehow stay alive with soline but it's insanely copium

[rustic sandal]

So this is how being on top feels like.

[tropic summit]

hopefully you hit him when he was logged off for a while

[polar valley]

Wait, this time i use Centi instead of noah?

[rustic sandal]

Please cook me a defense team so I can actually last more than an hour in my rank.

[polar valley]

Final confirmation? Also what level 3 i noticed u said in that excel

[rustic sandal]

Bro probably won't check PvP because he always knew he's on top.

[tropic summit]

T3 is gonna be a mess.. record the match

[tropic summit]

ah ye give centi quantum

[polar valley]

What kind of quantum may i ask?

[tropic summit]

any lvl give her the cube

[polar valley]

Done

Initiate?

R1 total loss
R2 loss
R3 win, interesting.. should i put noah at R2?

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta grave SWHA RH bsoda
• lib vestiTU naga drakeT RRH
• auto (any high CP units leftover)

Notes

• wishlist noah, jackal, biscuit, rumani, trina, scarlet
• get helm treasured