pvp-arena

[placid bloom]

pretty sure he is building for water SR

not PvP

unless he greeding and building both at same time

[pure moss]

Am I winning this season, chat?

[placid bloom]

@jagged mesa are you a greeder

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[placid bloom]

Idk, seem like he greed

[tropic summit]

disgusting perfect rolls

[noble python]

What should I do if I don’t have Ada Wong built?

[jagged mesa]

no i didnt change my pvp at all

i used my remaining 18 rocks on water units

worth though, black ele on sdoro

[placid bloom]

okay he just retire PvP like me

I might actually be able to build SElegg

now that I don't need to spend rock on Cinderella for title

[jagged mesa]

oh selegg is really far for me, i need to roll one more ele on swha (im like 30 rocks deep chasing this), and i need at LEAST 2 ele on helm (0 ele lines)

and hopefully a little something for qeq too

actually sdoro also needs one more ele line, and it's a line 1 ammo line 2 atk piece so it's hard to fix

[haughty mortar]

So 18 rocks = I can't beat you no more?!

Dafuq were your teams?

[jagged mesa]

well im gonna commit on water SR because my existing water units are so bad, we're gonna be engaged in fisticuffs for a while

[haughty mortar]

Naw I think you won. I will have rail to kindly regenerate me for pvp. A triple loss!!

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

we're in the same spot surely that's good luck

[haughty mortar]

Can I please request a new defense team dish for spa?

#pvp-arena message

[sinful breach]

Hey Rail! I finished an initial vestiTU build(decent OL lines but ran out of rocks for now), and put noah, biscuit, emilia, jackal dolls to SR5 as asked, what changes can I do to the teams now? Those initial teams you made were already a awesome change btw thanks a lot!

[wild hemlock]

1. I have no clue how noise/bay works vs lib burst tbh. I'm bursting with both for sure just a matter of do I live or not
2. I'm much more worried about Noah dying to vesti. Can you actually kill moran? I think I'm too fast for that but Noah might die
3. Do you have 21%cs on rumani and biscuit? If not I would burst faster
4. I think if rumani gets indom I just win cause blanc gets it for sure. Since it's vs lapalce I'm thinking I win this one actually but it's still rng
5. Still idk funny sg mirror is funny

[tropic summit]

good, upgrade to the teams to the right

you could keep using the old teams until the def is broken though

[nova ermine]

I’m looking for teams for the regular arena and the special arena. I made a Snow White build but I have no idea how to use it

[sinful breach]

Yeah it stopped a lot of people that were attacking me but someone managed to break it already after wasting a lot of tries lol lets see with these new teams, thanks for the help!

[tropic summit]

Rookie:

• jackal SWHA laplaceT blanc ada (SWHA and laplace linked, SWHA lowest HP in link)
  Note: if SWHA remains linked, can put helmT instead of Ada for extra CP gain

SP arena:

• noise noah cindy helmT rumani
• jackal scarlet lib blanc centi
• moran SWHA laplaceT bay trina

Notes:

• vestiTU in synchro, build her
• get rosanna built on medium term
• once vestiTU is ready, can make a different indom team (T2) and likely change T3

[valid inlet]

Good luck to both of you 🤞🏼

[sinful breach]

Question, with these new nikkes lately is scarlet out now in SP? I imagine she's still used in CA

[tropic summit]

she's easy to deal with on def, at this point anyone should know how to counter her

she's still very meta and very strong, especially on atk

[sinful breach]

I see, fair enough

[placid bloom]

she can still be menace with counter RNG if you are strong enough

[swift mango]

You could still win at 20-25% deficit. And they have lots of feeds.

Jack+indom vesti is your friend

[valid inlet]

1. It won one noise bay team this season, so that's my guess
2. Sometimes when I tested it in SPA but it's rng, Noah will die for sure tho
3. My Rumani is 23%, Emi 22%, Biscuit 18%
4. Agree
5. I dunno neither

Do you think you can win the cn guy (our previous champion?)

[thorny sequoia]

PVP GODS 🙏🙏🙏I NEED YOUR HELP

PLEASE GIVE ME A HARD COUNTER TO 2/3 OF THESE TEAMS

THANK YOU PVP GODS 🙏

PRAISE BE 🙏 🫡 🫡 🫡

[versed mesa]

70 pulls into SWHA, zero SSR until today. Little Mermaid dupe Not the worst thing to get, but just a small cp upgrade since she was already mlb

[umbral belfry]

gl to you too

[tropic summit]

pick w/e you're more invested in (updated to ensure noah isn't getting killed by early pressure from lap+xmaiden and scarlet)

[thorny sequoia]

Thank you sir, I will run it now

[tropic summit]

if you going option 2 move lappy in p5 to get feed from SG btw

would be jackal vestitu blanc centi laplaceT

[wild hemlock]

1. Then I probably lose 1 unless that guys invest was bad or if I somehow kill Noah but my ele dmg probably too low
2. I assumed Noah dying means I lose unless you think moran can solo? Is your vesti 4x atk x4 ele? My Noah will forever be p5 if you actually kill her pre burst
3. Yeah my B1 hits first then. So just a matter of who gets hit with the stun just rng

[haughty mortar]

Don't tell me he just shifted nikke around. How to beat?

[tropic summit]

it's time you learned to make teams on your own eh...

you should see an obvious pattern here

focus on T1 and T2

T1 is weak to DPS B3 behind noah biscuit, T2 is weak to anti nuke or indom... build teams on this logic

i'll give you a few hints:
**
T1 noah biscuit vestiTU ? ? (2RL)
T2 jackal SBS ? ? alice (2RL or 2RL via feed)**

[haughty mortar]

What do you mean by feed?

[tropic summit]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[tropic summit]

the enemy team feeds 76-80 bullets at 2RL, which amounts for nearly 25% burst gen assuming you've a jackal or linked unit that can use that feed

meaning... if you've a jackal team that is 2RL on 80% for example would've enough feed to be 105% 2RL... meaning you're promoted from 2.5RL to 2RL

[haughty mortar]

Going down is a promotion? Pvp confuses me.

[ruby iris]

Faster burst

[tropic summit]

take this example

this team is 97% to 2.5RL and 89% to 2RL, they're natural 3RL unless they get feed

what happens if you get fed 25% feed from the enemy team above?

you're promoted from a 3RL team to a 2RL team

that's what feed means...

[haughty mortar]

I will have to take a look at it at home later.

[tropic summit]

take the time you need, it's about time you learn about these basics on your own

then you can deal with those simple enemy teams on your own

[haughty mortar]

How do you know if you are getting fed?

[tropic summit]

you always get feed in p1, by any enemy team

the only exception is SGs that shoot p5 when you attack

[placid bloom]

Jackal has a proc that triggers every 10 hits taken, and this proc has the same burst generation as her base generation on 1 target (3.55%)

[tropic summit]

so if there's at least 1 enemy SG, one of your linked units needs to be p5

[ruby iris]

Guys now that SW is out, is there a team that can reach 1.5RL by default?

[placid bloom]

the calculator tells you how many bullets you're eating at every point in the fight

[ruby iris]

Or is it still impossible

[tropic summit]

not without feed or with cindy helping

although you can get to 1.7RL via CS%

realistically while still being a somewat OK team this is probably the fastest atm

assuming opponent has heavy feed units, this one can be 1RL or 1.5RL

[placid bloom]

if you have 21% cs Emilia you can get natural 1.5RL but none of these Nikke have good burst other than Helm on linked units

so you are not actually benefiting from the extra 0.5 speed

[tropic summit]

would be a different matter if they release another unit with same or greater burst gen than SWHA

then 1RL would actually be possible

we're only 32% away...

[placid bloom]

32 is a lot though, since it's not like you're replacing a 0 gen char you're replacing a 27+ base gen char

well I guess it's only like 14 gen at 1RL for 1 shot, so they'd need like 46% base gen at 1RL

[tropic summit]

and you really think SU isn't capable of such an "accident"?

[heavy hearth]

What is the investment on BayT? 4/4/4?

[tropic summit]

it will happen, it's just a matter of time

[placid bloom]

RL that splash all 5 enemy and cover twice

in 1 shot

[glad meteor]

SWHA has 1.2charge time though, so its eh when trying 1rl

[placid bloom]

she has proc timing too

her last proc don't land until like 1.5RL even though she shoots earlier

[tropic summit]

natural 1.5RL? sign me up

[placid bloom]

the issue is still who gonna be the B3

[tropic summit]

the new unit, SWHA or HelmT

still hypothetical anyway

[placid bloom]

I feel like SW is just better to be on slower team

[tropic summit]

depends on what you need to kill before it gets going

[placid bloom]

if she is main burst

[ruby iris]

Peak team

[placid bloom]

tbh I am pretty sure 1.5RL Helm still cannot nuke 2RL Noah or Blanc in time

her burst actually so slow

[tropic summit]

test it to find out

[placid bloom]

cuz I know my 2RL Helm cannot beat 2.5RL Blanc before

natural 2RL

it's only a little faster than Cinderella

[haughty mortar]

You'll have have to hold my hand for a bit if I'm being plunged into the deep end. I know nothing about pvp, hence why I ask the pros.

[thorny sequoia]

@tropic summit THANK YOU PVP GOD 🙏 PRAISE BE 🙏

[glad meteor]

Handholding in pvp arena

[tropic summit]

that's fine, that's where we all started

[haughty mortar]

Lood I know

[tropic summit]

i gave you hints, it's teams you should be familiar with since you used them before, put a bit of effort on our own then ask again when you unsure

that's how you learn slowly

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-holding-censored-anime-girls-gif-1776535236623083391

[versed mesa]

Only problem I have is if my enemy has characters built that I don't, so I'm not aware of potential synergies I need to look out for, since I have no experience with those charas.

[haughty mortar]

Moods! We have inappropriate handholding in chat!

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[versed mesa]

Never

[haughty mortar]

And me being at work and on phone doesn't help much.

[tropic summit]

good.

[versed mesa]

If I can't win with what I already got, I don't deserve to win

[haughty mortar]

But out of curiosity what DID he do?

[swift mango]

You only use 1 attacker on noise/Jackal team.

[wild hemlock]

I think the odds vs previous winner are good but I would need to check nikketop later. Either way I think our match is very close but I think it's in your favor

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit @shell hazel i got rocks today @umbral belfry let me have 6, i used it to gamba empty line 3 into a low roll charge dmg on my helm so her CP eclipse sbs, i'm so degenerate

[umbral belfry]

I was being nice

[hollow lagoon]

love u too

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

it was actually my rock that she gave you

stealing from my basket

how dare you

[hollow lagoon]

paid my hamster support the whole week its your turn

2-3 rocks per day on full burst week is yikes

[glad meteor]

I only got one. How am I supposed to get more black/blue lines on snow

[rain dagger]

Gotta quick question trying to optimize my PvP units to push up into challenger on my server what overload stats should I put on my units idk if I trust prydwen so want real advice

[wild hemlock]

[tropic summit]

it's dependant on the unit

Batteries want CS%
DPS/nukers want atk% and ele
some want ammo to keep up the DPS without reloading too early

then you've very specific units that actually DO NOT want specific OLs, like s.anis

finally very few specific units that can benefit from def%, namely moran and nero

[valid inlet]

I hope you will win then, my odd against him is very very low, we need to stop cn guy hegemony in our bracket

[wind kelp]

Oooh, we close again, So far all guesses correct in League matches. It's gonn hit red i'm sure, because someone pulls sonem miracle win XD

[rain dagger]

I can send an image of teams I copied them from a challenger rank guy on my server

[glad meteor]

Your rh is off burst

[placid bloom]

@tropic summit do you believe

actually I can even put Noah in p1 to not let Helm get Mermaid stunned

[noble python]

Also I may need to change my defenses I keep losing to the Challenger 6 guy after I beat them back to 8th and I’m sure that shouldn’t be happening lol

This what the lineups look like

[radiant coral]

no one replied to you. now you must go finger yourself

[heavy hearth]

I got excited when I saw a reply to me

[radiant coral]

edged

[heavy hearth]

I guess I’ll go stuff myself now

[radiant coral]

blue balled even

[heavy hearth]

Oh I won’t have blue balls that’s for sure

[noble python]

@hollow lagoon

[hollow lagoon]

why i got summoned

oh

u can give it a go but the vesti one looks rough

cp wise

[noble python]

Yeah that’s my worry

May want to rework that one

[hollow lagoon]

too much work lel

[noble python]

Lol

[hollow lagoon]

let em check

[noble python]

You mean let you check or?

[hollow lagoon]

switch helm and swha

[noble python]

^

[hollow lagoon]

what if lib over ada

[hollow lagoon]

what if noir over lib

[hollow lagoon]

send the lib

@noble python hopefully ur lib has less atk then vesti

other wise we looking at dead comp

[wild hemlock]

[umbral belfry]

[wild vine]

Can someone revamp my def teams I keep losing to some guy who is 600k combat power lower than me idk whats wrong
Scarlet/Blanc/RH/Emilia/Jackal
Noise/Crown/Cindy/Noir/Helm
Noah/Rapunzel/Biscuit/SBS/Laplace

[shell hazel]

where vesti tu?

[wild vine]

Oh i think I have her she just isnt in the synchro

[wild hemlock]

[shell hazel]

the new vesti?

lowly patzer is a chess reference right? I recall that patzer is like noobie or so

[wild vine]

ye ur the second person in two years to recognize that lmao

[shell hazel]

so your problem is a bit that you don't really have the built pvp units to make 3 good teams

I'd focus 2 good teams and 1 cp pad team

crown has no business being in your team there for example, and SBS as main nuker is easily countered with Biscuit

[wild vine]

Here's the units that dont fit in the synchro

I have lots of mats i just dont know who to invest in

[shell hazel]

vesti is pvp meta

[wild vine]

Tragic

Ill stick her in the synchro then

[jagged mesa]

@tropic summit my classic random team swap worked

[shell hazel]

you have access to some good batteries you just need to focus a bit

[jagged mesa]

i saw that chat above

[shell hazel]

vesti TU
snow white (new one)
helmT
Emilia

3 good batteries / b3 options for pvp

you should focus on 2 x 2RL teams around these units and then cp pad team 3 with a Nayuta at p1 maybe

[haughty mortar]

I had a feeling you bamboozled me!

[wild vine]

Noise/Centi/Cindy/VestiTU/HelmT
Is this middle team better than what I had?

[shell hazel]

you could eventually make 3 teams but I think you need to invest a bit more in other units

how does this look cp wise?

vesti needs a lot of build

the problem with your noise team is she is your only b1 and she's sat at p1, so if your opponent has good SG units she dies you lose

this version will be 2RL as long as vesti has some CS (I think 5-10%)

and rapu acts as backup b1 in case noise dies

[wild vine]

U think I should ticket for the new snow white then? I tried pulling but its been 40 and no drop

[shell hazel]

yes 1000%

sorry I thought you had her but I realise now it's the wrong one lol

Keripo did a pvp showcase video of her have a watch
https://youtu.be/WW5eTb6klUU?si=7-sMKqE622Rycr4T&t=84

[wild vine]

alright ill get her and build her a little and then ill try to make ur comp and see what the cp is

[shell hazel]

in the meantime if you can't build out both vesti and SW we can move a few things around maybe

but I'd prio snow white, she's best water dps and meta for the upcoming raid for sure

[swift mango]

sometime they fail against same team, doesnt need to swap

[wild vine]

This is what we be lookin like, what cubes am I supposed to put on snow white and vesti though?

[shell hazel]

your best pve cubes

resi prob?

way too low cp on t1/t2 really. what were your cp's like on the previous teams?

pro tip btw you can set the teams on the attack side so you don't brick your defence whilst you mess with it

snow white and vesti would both want SR-5 minimum with 7/7/7 and full set of OL's on them (not +5 necessarily but base OL with a rock)

[wild vine]

These were the previous teams

[shell hazel]

yeah 1.2 ish makes sense, that should be your sort of target

which units are tanking the CP?

[wild vine]

This is with cubes fixed

[shell hazel]

we need more still for sure

[worn ridge]

Snow clutch

[shell hazel]

cp per unit in vesti team? what is tanking it?

[wild vine]

I got it up to this by OLing noah on chest and vesti on helm and chest

Noise is the major drag now at 167k

[shell hazel]

167k is far too low to be usable here, have you overloaded her?

[wild vine]

Noah 194 Vesti 203 Helm 275 and Rapunzel 203

Noise has overloaded chestpiece

[shell hazel]

if a unit is not on 4 OL it's not usable imo

[wild vine]

haha if I did that on all my teams I would be number 2 in my bracket

I got like 300 rocks but my credits are draining every time I level up

[shell hazel]

doll materials and gear xp is the key here along with skills

though most of the pvp stuff works fine on 4/4/4

some exceptions

[wild vine]

Aight let me check my doll situation

[shell hazel]

thing is with the pvp units is you need to balance cp and speed

you can have a bit less cp than a fully built pve unit and it's fine but if you tank too much you'll just get cp diffed

[wild vine]

All the units have purple level 5 dolls except Thelm

[shell hazel]

that's a reasonable start on those at least

I SR-15 my long-standing units, especially the dps

[haughty mortar]

Is Rail Sensei here?

[shell hazel]

not that I see atm

[haughty mortar]

OK

[shell hazel]

let him rest

[haughty mortar]

I realized my mistake and have rectified it. At least for this instance

[haughty mortar]

Could you be able to give me a quick rundown @shell hazel ?

Not a team, just have a question for my understanding

[glad meteor]

No noise skin

[shell hazel]

main pvp B1's:
jackal
rumani
noise
rapunzel (niche healer less burst gen)

jackal is the best one here tbh, but if you want to run at least two good teams you need to build two of them or have the rest of the team on extremely high gen

[shell hazel]

I can try, shoot

[haughty mortar]

Why does this not work? #pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

most of the skins without the pass system aren't worth it for me lol

[shell hazel]

bro you said not a team then proceeded to link me to 3 teams 😄

[haughty mortar]

No no, this team lineup doesn't work and is fine. I don't want you to give me one. Just let me know why my lineups lose to the defender one.

[shell hazel]

well where is the video? 😄

[haughty mortar]

Not available. Please try your PVP match again!

I will record it soon

[shell hazel]

which teams won or lost?

if you say all 3 lost then

[glad meteor]

besto noise

[haughty mortar]

Yes triple loss

[glad meteor]

Siren stuns Noah, scar nuke kills you?

Wind weak p1-3, sg pressure + vesti hitting jackal. Link is dead, blanc in p3 maybe dead too

[shell hazel]

yeah so my take is similar

t1 - you're way too slow, what is this grandpa pvp team?
t2 - you get siren stunned at p1 noah gg
t3 - all the wind weak at p1-p3 vesti fodder

[haughty mortar]

BESTY

[shell hazel]

for t1 you also lack any def once that cindy b3 you're gone

[umbral crown]

When noise gacha skin

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-noise-gif-7413223906284060383

[shell hazel]

even if you successfully siren stun the p1 noah, you need a way to catch cindy nuke

or to nuke before they use it

[haughty mortar]

So I am blown outta the water

[umbral crown]

Thats the rerun im also waiting

[haughty mortar]

Why? Noise is just PVP. You'll only ever see this either if you purposefully put it on your wall, which there are better choices IMHO, or record your matches every time and watch the playback.

[shell hazel]

erm no dude

[noble python]

Oki

[shell hazel]

I run my noise in my tetra tower

[umbral crown]

noise besto unit

i even use rosanna in tetra, she allowed me to pass mw 340

[haughty mortar]

Dafuq

[shell hazel]

I can't show it but in missilis today I have trina

[glad meteor]

Bust gen

[shell hazel]

I figure blue cp lol mostly it's easy if I have the cp

[haughty mortar]

Yes HUUUUGE Bust gen

[shell hazel]

yeah my ros also there 😄

[haughty mortar]

Here enjoy one of the best wallpapers

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-rosanna-gif-13235111528686501510

[umbral crown]

besto helm skin

im kinda tempted to buy but i already have gacha skin

[shell hazel]

it's great but I have her gacha one I can't justify the extra $20

[haughty mortar]

Tell no one, but this CC bill I raked up $140 for nikke outfits.......

[glad meteor]

$

[shell hazel]

[haughty mortar]

I only have a few outfits left to buy

[umbral crown]

thats why i skipped naga gacha skin

[haughty mortar]

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

I wish naga got a fav item so she gets back into the meta some more, she's fallen off a bit

[haughty mortar]

That's why I am skipping Cindy Gacha skin rerun

[umbral crown]

i have normal skin for cindy but if cindy gets her gacha rerun , might get it

[shell hazel]

none of the gacha re-runs really tempt me tbh, not the ones they posted on the questionnaire

[umbral crown]

where i can see the gacha reruns

[glad meteor]

The olden days, where crown naga was op

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

it was in the survey in game not sure if it's still up

[umbral crown]

oh, that. remember noise was an option

[shell hazel]

it was like SBS crown cindy doro drake etc

yeah I prob won't get it, gacha skins for pvp units aren't necessarily always on the top of my list

I'll get the normal ones sometimes like the moran one was very cool

[umbral crown]

doro gacha is op nut .. just for profile or lobby

pvp units needs gacha skin, it provides moral support

and it makes you invest more in them

[haughty mortar]

I am getting Crown FOR SURE

[shell hazel]

I kind of like her other outfit I got happy with that tbh

same for cindy one

[haughty mortar]

Crown and SBS gacha getto

[shell hazel]

SBS is probably the best of them

[haughty mortar]

Dat Crown shenanigans doe

[noble python]

Won R1 but lost R3

Anyone wanna help me make new defense teams? These are my current ones

[noble python]

Here’s my box

[quick lake]

These are good. At most replace Liberalio with Drake

[fresh onyx]

who to put in here?

trying to make a team with the leftovers/scraps

[quick lake]

T1: Jackal SW Centi Blanc LapT
T2: Noise Noah Cindy xMaiden HelmT
T3: Moran Trina Vesti Lib Siren

Reference pinned teams if needed

[fresh onyx]

I did use the pin, was very helpful

ah wasn't sure about lib/moran/lib, thanks

[hollow lagoon]

sad

[noble python]

Yeah

[hollow lagoon]

wanna describe how t3 died?

[noble python]

Really just replacing Lib for Drake T on Defense???

[noble python]

I have a video

[hollow lagoon]

420?

[hollow lagoon]

oh u poor thing

[noble python]

Also thoughts on how I can make my defenses better? My box is below this message

[hollow lagoon]

switch to this then

[hollow lagoon]

aint much of a choice but its the once chane u got]

why i'm i making proper ass comps

its rail's job

[noble python]

Lol

[hollow lagoon]

send it and let me know if u ded

[noble python]

The video speaks for itself 🫡

[hollow lagoon]

finally lel

i shall name team 1 "vesti bra pad" and team 3 "taste the lazer"

[noble python]

XD

[charred wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-surprise-mf-can't-prove-it-gif-7408854170742055240

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit i done it

i made some one win with not cursed comps

[noble python]

I believe Rail is asleep/busy rn

[charred wedge]

Well deserved vacation for Rail, Yipeee

[noble python]

I’m just guessing tho

I could be wrong lmao don’t take my word for it

Also Rosanna and SWHA have 3/4 OL gear

So getting closer and closer to being Max OL gear on both everyday

[pure moss]

Just use any of these besides SG team

Replace Emilia with Swolwhite if you don't have Emilia

[fringe lodge]

Thank you! I have had Noah wishlisted since day 1 after seeing how good she is in PVP. What would THelm replace if I had her? I'm just waiting on the doll, already have the mats required to rank 2 her favorite item.

[noble python]

Ok so I only have 2 of these teams semi ready to go missing Bay T and Laplace T

[pure moss]

which teams?

[noble python]

The one with Moran and the Blanc one

[pure moss]

You can replace red hood and tlaplace with something else like centi and rapunzel or soda for now and the scarlet comp will still work. Make sure it's 2 RL tho

[noble python]

I have RH just missing the treasure girlies besides Drake and Helm

[pure moss]

you can also run rumani nayuta siren biscuit cinderella as an alternative to my slow cindy if that's better for you

[noble python]

This would probably be better for me ye

[pure moss]

You should not put trina or RH in p2 so if you replace tlaplace with centi, you'll need another b1

[noble python]

Oki

[noble python]

So Rapunzel would be P2?

[pure moss]

yes

[noble python]

Kk

Also what can replace Moran/Xmaiden? I have them but I don’t have em built

[pure moss]

Noise and another defender, make sure it's 2 RL

[noble python]

Cause I’m working on finishing up building SWHA, Rosanna, Blanc, Laplace T and Bay T atm

Don’t really wanna have to add Moran and XMaiden to that list rn

[noble python]

How can I check if it’s 2 RL?

[pure moss]

google nikke deck app

[noble python]

Oki

Last question does it matter which Round I put the team in defense for or will they work in any round?

[pure moss]

doesn't matter

enemy will always see your order and work around it

[noble python]

Fair enough

[frank ingot]

I did this, still the attacker won

[noble python]

The deck says this isn’t 2 RL is that intended?

[pure moss]

Yes

slow cindy comp should be more than 4 RL

[noble python]

Ok

[pure moss]

one of the best defend comps

[worldly osprey]

but i actually want to run 2. like vesti + helm, or vesti + lap/xmaid, etc

noise vest lapt bay jack is 2rl with some feed

[noble python]

You see the thing is I’m closer to Treasuring Laplace than Bay but I need another copy of Laplace to do that bc I need Affection 30 but this game doesn’t wanna give me another copy of Laplace

[rugged wyvern]

atk should win here, right?

what kinds of comps beat these?

[misty finch]

What are some good S:P arena moran teams not counting stall?

[tropic summit]

he needs to learn archetypes and actually using his head, i'm only gonna give him tips from now on, he's been getting too comfy getting spoiled

[tropic summit]

can probably scratch and remake T3 once helmT is available

[tropic summit]

you might be dealing with someone with pvp knowledge, at that point no defense will work if they play their cards right
you gotta make a defense that throws them off, typically add gimmicks like stun, rosanna or peculiar indoms

get creative

[tropic summit]

moran shines in stall teams... it's like asking for a bird to start walking instead of flying, so not sure what your expectations are here

[tropic summit]

scar-soda is a peculiar team as in it always has some RNG factor, the "easier" way is to kill scarlet before you get stunned, typically a 2RL rosanna should do the job, that way even if you're stunned, they're without any real DMG source and you can finish them off

moran noah lib, looks like a 2RL, you can run a 2RL or 3RL noah to catch the nuke and a dps B3 to out trade them, since it's a moran noah you'll want true damage to reduce moran's effectiveness, that's vestiTU.

[rugged wyvern]

was planning to use noah for the comp against rumani, blanc, tvesti, swalt, biscuit. Any recommendations for that instead if I pull noah to here?

[tropic summit]

the indom vestiTU is a comp you generally want to skip, because it's expensive.

from testing that we've carried out, reliably you've a few approaches:

the "kill her before she gets indommed" via rosanna and splashers, vestiTU being p3 and a water code attacker being p4 can be killed pre blanc B2, assuming same burst speed and CS%

e.g.

a team on 2RL with vestiTU + rosanna, on same speed, will allow you to drop enemy vestiTU in range for rosanna to be lethal, while water code is always lethaled by rosanna (this assumes rosanna is 7/10/10, SR15, 20-40%atk and 40%+ ele atk)

actually facetanking vestiTU for the length of indom, this is a risky approach that may work if your moran is very thick

moran noah trina biscuit helmt (hyper charge moran)

slower indom, this can be RNGy, as it depends on reload speed and ammo count, in general an indom with high fire rate, if on same speed or slower, will win the duel. (e.g. RRH or Scarlet)

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-that-what-is-happening-sam-neill-remove-sunglasses-gif-15770358

[tropic summit]

the world is healing

[glad meteor]

Does rail sleep

[tropic summit]

3 hours a day thanks to physical pain

this has been going on for 4 weeks i'm getting tired

[glad meteor]

[tropic summit]

tomorrow i get exams back let's see what's happening

[raven plover]

Ive been doing this for years

[tropic summit]

that's rough

the good thing is that i healed from a different chronic pain since around 2 months tho

[misty finch]

I was told she could be good in non-stall teams too when I built her 🤔

Stall as in nero team

[tropic summit]

situationally sure, but at that point there are better cards

[misty finch]

Like?

[tropic summit]

for situations where you need a p1 or a p2 that can survive early pressure or you need a redirect taunter

or even just double tank

[misty finch]

Welp guess I'm building nero eventually if I already have 1 half of stall 😔

[misty finch]

So moran noise?

[tropic summit]

moran flex flex flex noah
flex flex flex flex moran (nayuta p1 moran p5)

those are typically deficit situations though

[tropic summit]

noise and moran should never go together

moran noah
moran bay
noise noah
noise bay

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/hmpf-hmph-baka-mad-madge-gif-2458389057923387916

[tropic summit]

situationally there's also the HP stacking approach, which can work to survive non buffed nukes

noise anchorIM
noise trina

[misty finch]

Doesn't trina only buff electric ARs or something?

[tropic summit]

read her kit again

meanwhile the buff for elec AR units is applied upon entering, so moran starts with enhanced max HP

[misty finch]

Oh so that's why moran goes in scar team sometimes 🤔

[tropic summit]

moran trina was actually ran a few times before in CA, but ppl quickly noticed it was a shame splitting trina from scarlet and moran trina was still subpar to other pairings

[misty finch]

How do you actaully restore the HP from trina to survive the nuke?

[tropic summit]

that's what stall does

[misty finch]

SO moran trina helm/quiry flex flex?

[tropic summit]

take this situational anti nuke team:

noise trina helmt vestiTU jackal

take a generic 2RL scarlet on single buff (trina)

noise will prevent lethal on at least vestiTU, while helmT will likely die to elec weakness, at that point you just slowly heal up from lifesteal and passive DoT heal

[tropic summit]

ye that's also an option

[misty finch]

Huh 🤔

But moran instead of noise wouldn't work there?

[tropic summit]

realistically, you'll always use these pairings

moran noah
moran bay
noise noah
noise bay
noise jackal bay/noah (overcommit, rookie)
moran jackal bay/noah (overcommit, rookie)

[tropic summit]

moran adds DR, if the DR is enough to make you survive the nuke, then she can sub noise

it's always best having DR + HP increase, that generally ensure nuke resistance

noise can do both at B1 and assuming you're dealing with even just tiny bit of feed

[misty finch]

Overcommit? Generally ass?

[tropic summit]

it means you're taking away pieces from other teams,

[misty finch]

I'm at 2.5rl without the burst gens but idk who else to put vestiTU def feels like an overcommit

[tropic summit]

meaning somewhere else you're weaker

with the addition of SWHA and if you've emilia, you can actually commit a bit harder now

[misty finch]

Do u know why rumani is p2 in this team actually:
Jackal Rumani VestiTU Blanc ClipRL (2RL)
From pins

[misty finch]

Bracket doesn't have emilia

[tropic summit]

that's a decent stall team, would be better with a different offburst, possibly a better DPS

[misty finch]

Who you thinking? Rapunzel?

[tropic summit]

moran helmt vestitu flex noah

moran helmt laplaceT flex noah

moran helmt swha flex noah

[misty finch]

True laplace

[tropic summit]

it's a nice DoT heal with potential resurrect for 2nd rotation, but with the current meta of high dmg output, you're seeing her more often used as p1 or p2 to get that lucky stun in

[rugged wyvern]

around what RL does siren 50 bullet stun kick in?

[tropic summit]

2RL B2 timeframe, assuming no CS%

[misty finch]

This maybe but that team 3 is kinda weird

It gets very easily countered by siren

There has to be some sort of goofy nayuta team I can run

[tropic summit]

that's because you're running the bad kind of indom

use the jackal p1 indom variation, blanc in p1 is no longer viable ever since siren got introduced

also b2 and b3 should never be p1 anymore, again because of siren

[misty finch]

So blanc on scarlet team?

[tropic summit]

the only exception when you've a 11%CS team wide noah in p1

[tropic summit]

scarlet can stay p1 as long as she meets ammo requirement to be in cover when siren stuns

and she can be jackaless

[misty finch]

🤔

[misty finch]

So I just run this?

[tropic summit]

indom is

jackal indom flex blanc flex (link should be p3 or p5 on the assumption you expect to deal with SG or with vestiTU)

[tropic summit]

that can misindom on p5 or p2

[misty finch]

I still don't get why rumani is p2 in the pinned team yeah

[tropic summit]

it's cuz rumani is unlikely to misindom

but not guaranteed

[misty finch]

Is she? I know she gets some max HP but it still seems very risky

[tropic summit]

ye as i said it's not guaranteed

but it allows you to p5 link unit

also reduce dmg on link if enemy has splash

[misty finch]

I've ran p1 jackal p2 blancs before where blanc has randomly died to opp's scarlet

[winter kraken]

SPA def team holding ground with ~20% deficit (baby server):

scar trina helmT liberalio moran
swHA drakeT jackal blanc Centi
noah biscuit vestiTU RH Rumani

thanks for everyone's ideas and comps

[misty finch]

I don't think I can run a 2rl scar team if I move jackal off

Unless I make the vesti team 2.5rl

[misty finch]

Is the noah 11% CS teamwide?

[winter kraken]

would it make sense to p2 the attacker since they get the jackal link

[misty finch]

Yeah idk probably

[winter kraken]

hmmmm
noah 8.95 CS
biscuit 13.85 CS
Vesti 9.7 CS
RH 2.8 cs
rumani 4.6 CS

on their OL gear

[misty finch]

So there's still a risk of siren?

[winter kraken]

oooo if i get them all to 11% cs, i can skip siren?

rumani and vesti have adjutants and noah has quantum

[misty finch]

Apparently yes

team 2 better right

[winter kraken]

what's the percent ammo u need for this?

[winter kraken]

imo yeah but by no means do i know what im talking about

[misty finch]

20-32 ammo, around 60% ammo line

My dumbass thought it was 20-32% ammo line initially and spent like 5 rocks when I already had the 60% needed

[winter kraken]

LMFAO

ty

[tropic summit]

define for better, both are counterable

in terms of being expensive, both are rather cheap to deal with

[misty finch]

Think there's better teams I could be running or would I need better units?

[tropic summit]

2RL scarlet is directly countered by many things nowdays

bay
noah
indom
anti nuke
rosanna

3RL cindy has very bad win ratio on CA but is also easy to counter

2RL instant nuke 1hitko (scarlet on double buff, lib on single buff etc)
3RL noah DPS B3
any indom 2RL or 3RL

[misty finch]

Not using biscuit does feel kinda weird

[tropic summit]

assemble any of these, prefer 2RL and teams that involve stun, early pressure or high meta units (vestiTU etc)

#pvp-arena message

keep CP high else it's meaningless ofc

[misty finch]

Yeah I've used them before but the people in my bracket know how to break them

[tropic summit]

biscuit is nice and dandy but you need to consider what happens if your team is wiped and only defenders are alive

[misty finch]

That's where that nayuta rumani cindy team is meant to work hypothetically

I need weird teams to be able to get a defence

Those were the days 😔

[tropic summit]

you're at a synchro where opponents, if they're not 🐒 , should always break ur def

this game pvp arena is attacker friendly

[misty finch]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

defense just gets sh*tted on

and the developer refuses to give more and better tools to the defender

so what they made is a loop of attacker wins over and over

[misty finch]

So if you can't get 60+% dmg reduction you want hp% instead for tanking?

Or do you still want to stack dmg reduction as high as possible

[tropic summit]

situational on what you dealing against

developer had the great idea to release a unit that can ignore DR, so that's no longer working very well either

[misty finch]

Vesti right

[tropic summit]

ye

[misty finch]

😔

Time to build hp cube 🤏

[tropic summit]

ironically, my best advise as someone who has played pvp for well over a year, is to play pvp the least possible

find a comfort zone where you can retain ur rank, play ur 2 attempts and leave it alone

it's a bad mode, poorly optimized and forgotten

let alone p2p friendly, as you can gem indefinitely

[misty finch]

Ye I was in a sweet spot before where I could swap my teams around slgihtly and get defences but they learnt now 😔

[misty finch]

Like swapping in nayuta into 2rl scar team was how I got this

Devs gotta release new chapters so I can actaully use my core dust 😭

[winter kraken]

ty i needed to hear this. monitoring strikes from this guy that hard targets me is giga irl int tbh

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

yes don't bother, it's not worth it

300 gems less or 600 gems less per 2 weeks is better than headaches of min/maxing or having to fight poison with poison via gemming, monitoring, ratting and the likes

[winter kraken]

is an example of ratting, knowing when they log off for the day and camping reset with last free attempt?

[tropic summit]

ratting specifically hitting 1 or 2 minutes before reset to get that extra free attempt in

camping until they log off is just monitoring

[winter kraken]

oh yeah im a rat lmfao

[tropic summit]

tbh it's not your fault, it's the system actually promoting that in terms of efficiency

players are at the end of the day just trying to use their attempts efficienctly and this game promotes using them slightly before reset

developer hasn't taken steps to fix or improve this experience, at all

[winter kraken]

the guy HARD targets me only. if he loses to someone else, instead of retaliating against them, he just puts me down, and takes a lower spot, like tf

[tropic summit]

and then you get these situations, because again lack of QoL

a classic, well known story

don't worry, you're not the first and won't be the last to experience that

[winter kraken]

so i use my attempts around him, either 1 below or 1 above. if i go one above, he will gem to go above me, so dum

like sure dude i'll take my slot 2 LMAO

[tropic summit]

ye either you dodge him/ignore him or you've to play their game, ultimately you're forced into inconvinience unless you ignore it

[winter kraken]

this is why i came here tbh. so far he's wasted multiple attempts finding counters. i swtich up my team based on all yalls recs daily LMAO

[tropic summit]

that's a way

unfortunately it also trains said person to improve and eventually reach a point where he can break all of them

defense is a lost battle thanks to this game design

[winter kraken]

i only syncro 266

yeah true... esp if he has no problems spending 1k gems daily on me

[tropic summit]

mental problems sounds like

[winter kraken]

yeah man this started in rookie arena too bc i had a defense team unbeatable so i just always fought whoever was on my list. him being second probably thought i was personally attacking him. then one day he decided to hard grief SPA for me

sigh. probably shouldve just fought the last guy on list in rookie, learned my lesson

[ivory violet]

At least you can make him waste his money, which is funny in its own way.

[urban mulch]

what happens when you give grown ass adults with fragile egos a credit card

[tulip quest]

🙂

[vapid lake]

how can PVP MA say that!!! U were supposed to be the shining beacon of hope for up and coming pvpers!!

[tulip quest]

That's right the Highest Winrate u can get is Gems

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

and this

https://tenor.com/view/hold-me-back-gif-11142522

CREDIT CARD MAKES IT POSSIBLE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946721308148920371/1400642636171448400/YuniSyuen.gif

UNTIL U get what u want

[spiral onyx]

Lmao wtf happened this season

I legit don't recognize any of these names

Did SWHA really screw up all the cooks?

[tulip quest]

future of pvp is 5 2 RL teams

[spiral onyx]

My best advice is my recommended 3 SPA teams:

1. VISA
2. MasterCard
3. AMEX

[tulip quest]

SPA is the PVP that requires you money if you can't build teams and just make meme teams cause you outlevel every1

I really dunno why SPA tingles peoples EGO It's fun I guess

some of them have fun

but most I THINK Hates you or somethin they sometimes GEMS On Rookie is what I don't get

But I guess it's more boring when people don't attack u at all

I shud have Stayed 2nd so I can test comps on 1st

Nikke shud make like Shooting range but for PVP you can create teams

and test them, even limited to 3 times a day or somethin

Evolution of pvp is testings

Solo raid is all about ROCKS,BLACK LINES and Expensive cores

of course skill also but can't really gapped whales

I mean how can you win vs top 1 with 37B total damage and top 2 being 29B when normal peeps that SR are just 10b 8b

even if you mald teams and have good rolls you get about 22b (But you are already a Dolphin at this point) unless u focus on PVE only

I guess C.A loses it's fun and purpose when they make Shooting Range for pvp testings

my bad on this XD

[rustic sandal]

I still got it in me...
I hate how I can't keep my rankings tho.

I don't even last a full hour in C7.

[tulip quest]

1 way to keep higher ranking is Pushing Hard Campaign bro

2 ways to hold rank/ Hard campaign or

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[onyx scaffold]

@tropic summit could u cook for me a SpA set without Vesti?

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, as much as i'm trying to be annoying in pvp and fight for places and not just sit there, i'm still having fun and no hard feelings if i'm moved, but that cannot be said for all, some clearly feel particularly attacked and hateful towards you for pvping them especially spenders

[rustic sandal]

I am trying. I'm this close to making a spreadsheet of other players just to see what time they attack me so I can attack them whenever they're offline.

I'm stuck with Harvester Boss in Hard Mode. I uh... where's my Water DPS gdi...

[gaunt pulsar]

reshuffle should be by the end of this month or so may all our situations improve and split into more groups

[urban mulch]

I need the reshuffle to hit good

my current bracket has so many tryhards

[crystal flicker]

You can just use VesTac comp with SWHA tbh

[rustic sandal]

The Top 6 in my brackets are whales that has all the good PvP units with investments.

I stand no chance, especially not with 80% of PvP Nikkes missing in my roster.

I sure hope the new bracket doesn't have whales.

[lethal karma]

Each season has different players each brackets? I thought you always fight with the same people since the start, since ive been fighting the same exact opponents for more or less 3 months now

[gaunt pulsar]

depends on the amount of players i guess that are close in range to your server, if there enough players playing then theoretically reshuffle could form 2 or more SPA groups but usually yea SPA is filled with the same players because there not enough groups to move you all around

it's still follows the rules of matching you only with players that started +- the same time as you

[tropic summit]

as Rin mentioned, you could replace indom or noise noah or noise jackal bay vestiTU variants with SWHA, she sort of serves the same purpose, albeit in a weaker form

[tropic summit]

solid defense strategy, unbeatable 10/10

[tropic summit]

you know that's the truth

https://tenor.com/view/keke-tang-love-live-superstar-liella-spitting-facts-anime-gif-22390278

[vapid lake]

Crushing the hopes of dreams of newbies

[onyx scaffold]

[agile moss]

Need teams for rookie arena and SP arena

[median flare]

majority was right in previous match, and this maybe right too

[tropic summit]

Rookie

lib swha helm noah rh

SP arena

• nayuta trina swha rh sbs
• jackal scarlet blanc centi lib
• rumani liter cindy noir noah

Notes

• finish building helmT (s1 lvl 10, phase 2 treasure), once she's ready 2 teams can be improved
• build your utilities
• wishlist noise, biscuit, vestiTU
• build rosanna and treasure laplace in the medium term

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit

[agile moss]

Noted, ty sir

[hollow lagoon]

I used to rat Lel

I also play mutually assured destruction

[limpid urchin]

you got to be kidding me, I cheered for the person I was sure to lose, and they won.

I'm never getting the unlucky frame at this rate.

[jolly maple]

ennui vs momo
I'll bet on you ennui

can't wait to be frameless again

[raven plover]

losing frame?

[jolly maple]

winning frame

I keep trying losing frame but always fail at top 4

now I'm trying winning frame

[raven plover]

good luck

I asked grok, said momo has high chance to win

[jolly maple]

I'll bet on cindy comp winning over swha comp

the last two just exchange of win and loss

[haughty mortar]

Can someone help me analyze this team? Seems slow right?

[polar valley]

@tropic summit hey there, im back, just to update you, your yesterday setup is truly an unbreakable wall now HAHAHAHA that hawk keep trying yet failed 😭💢

Anyways, does this nikke good for pvp any chance? @tropic summit

[haughty mortar]

Also Nayuta has not been added to nikke deck?!

[raven plover]

[haughty mortar]

The website doesn't have her.

[polar valley]

Maybe hobo found Nayuta from Temu?

[haughty mortar]

temu?

[polar valley]

Could be

[haughty mortar]

Whazzat? Not the chinese shopping site right?

[polar valley]

(Definitely not)

[haughty mortar]

I mean, unless it's just on the mobile version?

[polar valley]

I believe its some sort of bugs..

[haughty mortar]

..............

[gaunt pulsar]

she is on pc, dunno about mobile, check your filters maybe they are on

[haughty mortar]

CURSES

Hoboman is female with a man's name?

And I have no filters

OK fixed

[raven plover]

[haughty mortar]

Sup hoboWOMAN. Why you being fraud?

Also this team same idea. Indom SBS wins?

Or maybe vs this?

What is the site that shows the pvp matchup as a spreadsheet?

[shell hazel]

it's not a site it actually is a spreadsheet lol

https://tinyurl.com/gatrix-burst-calc

only really rail uses it much though here, I prefer the deck site for speed. you can compare decks on that as well if you save them

[haughty mortar]

Doing so now as we speak

[radiant coral]

You’re probably using your old link

Gotta search it up through google instead of your autofill

o you figured it out

[haughty mortar]

I refreshed the page. The site is bugged af. Works now. Bugs even after saving decks

[shell hazel]

works fine for me still ctrl-f5 it or try a diff browser

[polar valley]

See? Told you... "bugs"

[haughty mortar]

All bugs squashed! Site is coded by hamsters

[umbral belfry]

soon.

[shell hazel]

5-0 go Hime!

did the mega whale beat the bear I wonder, I need my credits

[lusty gull]

[shell hazel]

are you a hamster? 🙂

[lusty gull]

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

[raven plover]

[shell hazel]

ok this wins lol

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[tulip quest]

Not much both for PVE with Maid Mast SSS Team also vs BLACK SNAKE U need her on Hard campaign

[raven plover]

[polar valley]

How about quiry?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duckling-no-no-way-i-dont-agree-gif-4243311

[tulip quest]

hmmm Pvp I think HelmT the better Quiry

[tulip quest]

With Characters like VestT and SNOW H.A Quiry's heal is lacking

Pvp meta is mostly Wipe characters

or STALL

[haughty mortar]

Hime-chan won top 8!

So wait. Who is the sitre coder?

[shell hazel]

the guy you called a hamster above

[haughty mortar]

Futashi?

[shell hazel]

#pvp-arena message

[haughty mortar]

Must be a hamster

OK so for this lineup, I lose 2 and 3?

[shell hazel]

you should win 1 - where is your vesti?

[haughty mortar]

Not in-Vesti-ed enough

[shell hazel]

also put siren instead of RH in team 1 you can just stun their noah and win it more easily

your biscuit may also be an over-commit, noah should survive until 2RL without biscuit

if you free up biscuit you can use her on t2 against the sbs

[hollow lagoon]

Noah 2rl with no biscuit

[haughty mortar]

I didn't like that Doro smirk

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit world is healing but @shell hazel is getting corrupted

[shell hazel]

well they don't have top tier dps in that team unless noah is made of paper she should survive to 2RL

[shell hazel]

noise buff + taunt even would make more sense

[limpid urchin]

people always coming up with cursed things.

[shell hazel]

this is far less commit and should work just as well

also frees up helmT and biscuit for t2

if noise dies then siren backup b1

[jolly maple]

if swha die what then

[shell hazel]

then you can run this for t2

[shell hazel]

to what?

[hollow lagoon]

Swha can die to rosana but what’s the context

[shell hazel]

snow white behind noah shield won't die

quantum on jackal but siren will gigafeed you to 2RL anyway

[quick lake]

Indom SBS is back

[shell hazel]

no vesti

the opponent team would die to literally any b3 anyway

[hollow lagoon]

As long as not def team

It’s fine anyway

[shell hazel]

they posted the teams

[hollow lagoon]

Ya but I have to scroll

[shell hazel]

it's not def team rec no it's to beat the teams they posted

[hollow lagoon]

Zael salad died to defending SG

[shell hazel]

@cunning crown !

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-star-wars-obi-wan-gif-10973435

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chosen-one-you-were-the-chosen-one-gif-7521423

Only I can join them

I have to switch my language settings to Chinese and change my name

[shell hazel]

my multiple max core whale blanc guy won me 6h of credits

[hollow lagoon]

Who the universe?

XI?

[jolly maple]

streak lost
well next season again it is

[hollow lagoon]

Easiest way is to bet your self and win it

[shell hazel]

well you failed to listen to hoboman after all
#pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

He’s still better than me

Now I run cursed stuff out of obligation

[jolly maple]

already cheer locked

[shell hazel]

Zantuluwrath

[haughty mortar]

Sorry I am back. So what was that about noise? Just as FYI what I posted worked previously, but if there is a better config with why the changes are being made I am down.

[hollow lagoon]

Noise is hot

[shell hazel]

read up

[hollow lagoon]

Yes

[shell hazel]

I am not going to retype everything go read lol

[haughty mortar]

Yes

[shell hazel]

I presume you are bottom for attacker

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-noise-gif-15126552339815880638

[shell hazel]

I also presume you're in cp range in general > 84.6% of opponent cp with the teams I shared

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-noise-gif-7413223906284060383

[haughty mortar]

I thought higher % better

[hollow lagoon]

84.6 now? I just x0.85 cuz lazy

[shell hazel]

84.6% is the deficit floor

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/liberalio-nikke-goddess-of-victory-liberalio-lick-gif-699461167889558432

[haughty mortar]

Werk it!

[raven plover]

#pvp-arena message

wtf grok the goat

[hollow lagoon]

Do I go full pad for my spa for dramatic effect? I think I can go full prism teams so I don’t have any ele weakness

[shell hazel]

you may as well

don't even worry about being able to burst tbh

[swift mango]

Well not for me, 3 times this season they wronged.

Not sure about today, didn't check

[shell hazel]

mine wrong 3 x also but I voted for bear in one of them even though majority said other guy, as I seen them do well before :p

[swift mango]

Noise+SW?

[hollow lagoon]

Full pad vs old ass def team I didn’t update

[shell hazel]

I'm at 3.3M CP so on average || I'm unable to beat either version ||

[hollow lagoon]

I’m sure u can slip a vesti to kil the 3rl Cindy

[shell hazel]

deficit may be too great just do 1 dmg and get 1 shot lol

[hollow lagoon]

But the stall and scar Rosa is gonna be rough

[shell hazel]

well vesti may not but you'd prob just one tap me at those levels

[hollow lagoon]

1.67m?

[shell hazel]

yeah

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

35% deficit

with 1.1M cp per team which is my avg

I think it's more than 50% stat penalty then

[haughty mortar]

So give me a rundown now? T1 noise tunts, Noah links SW, even with Noise dead Siren survive and stun noah?
T2 Indom scar, moving Jack to 1 to get stunned, so that Scar works her magic? Biscuit shields?
One thing I want to understand is isn't higher % better? Both teams are lower here no?

[shell hazel]

jack won't get stunned on t2

give her quantum cube

that team will be > 2 RL due to feed from jackal link

[hollow lagoon]

I guess it’s worse for u since some of my units have the odd def rolls in them

[shell hazel]

b1 at p1 on 2RL avoids siren stun and will b1 in time

for t1 noah doesn't link anything, she just does team wide shield that will protect you from the cindy nuke

that is Noahs kit basically, besto shieldo as @umbral crown would say

noise will buff team hp + 50% and provide heals. Noah will shield the team, opponent cindy can't wipe you. Meanwhile your siren should stun their Noah (because she shoots at p1 by default)

[umbral belfry]

whale

[hollow lagoon]

I would be stronger if I ain’t feeding your hamsters

[haughty mortar]

And this is why I ask the pros. I don't have the time to get into the nitty gritty. I appreciate you!

[shell hazel]

you do need to check your cp looks OK though

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

prep the teams and check cp

[haughty mortar]

I am more of a template type guy

[shell hazel]

there is nothing too complicated here but it's good if you learn a bit about what works yourself

you can't arrive here daily and ask for teams always imo it will get tiring lol

[hollow lagoon]

Hime let me have 4 rocks today I need it to gamba helm line 3

[umbral belfry]

no

[haughty mortar]

Knowing every bloody kit is too much for me honestly

[shell hazel]

record/watch the matches play out so you can see what happens as well, plus if something doesn't work you can at least post the video

[haughty mortar]

Will deffo post

[shell hazel]

you don't need to learn every kit there aren't that many pvp units

you just need to know what the main ones do

[hollow lagoon]

Reading is good for you read and reclaim surface, do it now, starting with Privity kit

[haughty mortar]

I do plenty of reading as is at work tyvm!

[shell hazel]

if you know:

• Jackal links with 2 highest attack stat units for damage share
• Noah provides a team wide anti-nuke shield for a few seconds
• Biscuit will prevent a defender unit from being killed by making them immune when hp drop < 50%

then that is more than most will know and it's most of the potential pvp meta there is right now lol

[hollow lagoon]

Work stuff just get AI to read for you la

[haughty mortar]

[cunning crown]

[shell hazel]

you did well Zael, always next time

[umbral belfry]

your rocks are mine too

[shell hazel]

yep looks good

[cunning crown]

Our union can't handle this please be content with @hollow lagoon 's rocks

[shell hazel]

that is true, good thinking

[hollow lagoon]

Why I’m I the only one paying child support the hamsters ain’t even mine

[umbral belfry]

I'm hungry I will use both your rocks for fuel

[shell hazel]

I hope I get shuffled back in with you guys next shuffle

CA hasn't been as much fun since I got isekaid

[hollow lagoon]

Hippo’s come to destroy us

https://tenor.com/view/evil-spongebob-gif-6081957

[shell hazel]

or provide power of friendship support

[haughty mortar]

Eat the hamster

[lone sequoia]

older bracket/league?

[hollow lagoon]

Yes ain’t as exciting now days

[shell hazel]

zanta started near me for sure

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

I'm locked in with older players

people in my bracket 1-2K servers earlier than me

[haughty mortar]

OK can I get a quick rundown of the % values. What do they mean and isn't higher better?

[lone sequoia]

it will be hard to get in a newer bracket since that means hundreds of people have to return to the game

[hollow lagoon]

Animal cruelty, that ain’t my kids but they are still cute

[shell hazel]

for 2RL etc?

[lone sequoia]

%?

[haughty mortar]

Yes

[shell hazel]

you need 100% of 2RL to be 2RL, it doesn't really matter if you're 150% 2RL that is about as quick as you can get

[lone sequoia]

% in burst gen from nikke deck?

[haughty mortar]

So, the lower the better? In terms of 2vs3vs4?

[hollow lagoon]

U can get away close to 2RL if u have jackal feed/scarlet counters, but dont count scarlet counters

[shell hazel]

jackal adds some additional % you don't see due to jackal link feed (her skill). so you can get away with being slightly under 100% 2RL with her linked units at p1

[worldly osprey]

that’s pretty bad. with noise+noah you can at least stall long enough for swa to fire her ult, but with noise+bay that’s definitely not happening.

[hollow lagoon]

Not really, u want enough

[shell hazel]

2RL is faster

[haughty mortar]

OK that is what I mean

[shell hazel]

your 3rd team is like 8 RL no burst lol

[haughty mortar]

the lower that number the better

[shell hazel]

you can see that in the stats

[lone sequoia]

i still use kosmiu or gratrix doc (not for a couple of months since i just know the burst gen of my units)

[haughty mortar]

Any way to make t3 work as well?

[hollow lagoon]

8rl is ok if u have the deficit to back it up

[shell hazel]

no I'd skip it, make sure these work then consider perhaps

[lone sequoia]

or just nayuta+rosanna

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

but you need a better B3 than SBS for t2 as well prio vesti build

[haughty mortar]

So, T2 won't work?

[shell hazel]

it will work here but it's not exactly an ideal long term option

[hollow lagoon]

Ur t2 work its just not great

[shell hazel]

vesti here would be superior

no one really runs SBS anymore

if you have SBS in def then it's easy to counter

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/umm-awkward-say-what-what-was-that-gif-5424377

[shell hazel]

[haughty mortar]

What is a workable vesti?

[shell hazel]

SR-5 7/7/7 with full OL at least

[lone sequoia]

4atk+ something

[haughty mortar]

He ate the hamster

[shell hazel]

you'll want some ammo, atk, cs for her and maybe some crit/ele if you feel like it

she's expensive to build but worth it

[haughty mortar]

Currently, SW:HA gets top prio

[lone sequoia]

vesti OL depends in the comp, to me a balanced vesti is the best, 4atk-2ele-2ammo-2~3cs and crit rate

[haughty mortar]

Working on Vesti after

[shell hazel]

well after that, vesti then, but you'll want to build her to compete better in pvp for sure

[shell hazel]

yeah this is what I did

[lone sequoia]

you can go full neutral but need more AoE heavy dmg (4atk/critrate/crit dmg)

[shell hazel]

you'll want to fish for good line 3's

[haughty mortar]

7 across on skills?

[lone sequoia]

so your vestil will have to pair with a really strong laplace or emi or probably swha

[shell hazel]

more later tbh 7/7/7 is just good start

https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/vesti-tactical-upgrade

7/10/10 always check prydwen skill recs normally they're good

[haughty mortar]

Yes I am planning 7/10/10 as well

[shell hazel]

when are you planning to attack? reset?

[median flare]

you won T2 T4 T5 your soda stun my blanc, my soda didn't stun rosanna

[shell hazel]

can soda stun ros under conceal?

[lone sequoia]

i think she can

stun is 2 targets

rosanna only ignore single target attacks/skills

[haughty mortar]

Currently 7/7/4 I will check my resources and see if I can add more burst

[hollow lagoon]

My vesti is 1 ele 3 atk

[haughty mortar]

Yes

[lone sequoia]

good enough for a whale

what about the cs and ammo?

[hollow lagoon]

10% cs 25 ammo at base

[shell hazel]

ok cool let me know how it goes

[lone sequoia]

that is already good

[hollow lagoon]

So I put her on adju cube for 11

[lone sequoia]

p5 for more cs

[hollow lagoon]

11 is good nuff break point

[shell hazel]

I should really do that too lol

mine is on 9% so adjutant is good for her

[hollow lagoon]

U need ammo tu support it tho

[shell hazel]

my ammo is OK nothing amazing but it's 16

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

4 volleys

bastion doesn't help her loads think it gives her a weird odd ammo count, match is usually decided before she runs out of ammo anyway

[lone sequoia]

time to reroll for blue lines

[hollow lagoon]

I want more ammo but hime’s rock drain ain’t letting me have it

I wanna roll for more ele

But I gotz no rock

[shell hazel]

yeah I'd have to roll until I get that CS line to 5.5% or more, could be expensive, adjutant kind of solves that without spending rocks I lack because Hime eats them all

[lone sequoia]

this full burst event i got 4rocks every day

[hollow lagoon]

I wish

[lone sequoia]

and normal drops from kraken are less than before

[shell hazel]

I'm farming chest pieces this week I need some, and at least I may get some gear drops for future units better than 0 rocks

[lone sequoia]

SU reduced the drop rate because the surface beta and .6 daily rocks

[shell hazel]

I wish we just got a flat rate of rocks the gamba system doesn't make me happy lol

just gimme 3 rocks per day flat then I can plan stuff, if you can s7

[lone sequoia]

you know that you get the same ammount of rocks doing kraken or other bosses

[shell hazel]

yes bonus rocks are the same

[haughty mortar]

Vesti 7/7/7 with 1 OL piece (when I get rocks today )

[lone sequoia]

the only difference is that you get box mat instead of the drop

[shell hazel]

the only diff is the 1 rock crate vs the gear crate

but still in theory you get more rocks in time on kraken

[lone sequoia]

at least with the box i forget the amount of rocks i have

[shell hazel]

I need to try to improve snow white rolls by the end of the solo raid

[lone sequoia]

mine is 3ele 1 atk, bad for the rocks she ate

[hollow lagoon]

My sw is pertty done 3atk 3 ele what more could she need

[lone sequoia]

crit rate or charge dmg

[hollow lagoon]

Tru but it be expensive

[shell hazel]

charge dmg I don't think does much for her

[lone sequoia]

but.. i still don't test her in pvp, this week with the rookie season

[shell hazel]

prydwen doesn't rec it even on on the flex rolls

[lone sequoia]

i will check later if the charge dmg work with her multi hits

[hollow lagoon]

Prydwen’s been right about not much anyway

[shell hazel]

for flex they rec crit rate or crit dmg

[median flare]

didnt know she can't

[shell hazel]

it's not perfect but on this one I think I agree

[lone sequoia]

she lost her S1

[shell hazel]

I wasn't sure so it was more a question

[haughty mortar]

Who is a good source for at least skill levels? Nikke gg don't do it no more. Especially that little OL line breakdown. They stopped.

[shell hazel]

still prydwen imo

[hollow lagoon]

You can convince me to roll off charge damage into crit rate if you donate me 30 rocks

[lone sequoia]

the only way for rosanna to not lose her S1 and take dmg is with jackal link, still soda should be able to stun rosanna since her taunt is 2 targets instead of 1 and rosanna ignore single target attacks

[haughty mortar]

But if they suck then what alternative? I sometimes use Sefhi

[shell hazel]

I spent 100 rocks for SW slowly getting there but I think I need another 50-100

[hollow lagoon]

Read kit look at your material and make educated decision

[shell hazel]

I've not really seen them be wrong about skill levels just use it lol

no point to over-complicate it

[haughty mortar]

Sefhi or Pryd?

[shell hazel]

prydwen

[haughty mortar]

OK

[shell hazel]

zanta just creating chaos 😄

[haughty mortar]

I was recommended Laplace S1 to 7 here, but Pryd had her at 4

[hollow lagoon]

Well then out dmg me in raid you 4 ele/4 atk level 12 cube monster