pvp-arena

[quick lake]

But more likely ur team wasnt 2RL probably

[misty finch]

More likely both noah and helm had enough charge speed to reach 2.5 rl yeah

[steady sierra]

oh right 2.5 rl does cut with noah hm

[misty finch]

How do you even reach 15% CS helm 😭

[spiral onyx]

I don't have this covered in my PvP meta video but it's described in my tier list comments for the SGs (e.g. SAnis, MPrivaty, Maiden, etc)

[misty finch]

I thought the tier list was dead 🤔

[spiral onyx]

Will be covering it in my new PvP video though, whenever I get arrive to doing that

[misty finch]

I guess SG team is an old team so it would still be in there actaully

[spiral onyx]

Tier list contains valuable information that is still very relevant

It's not like we've had many new games mechanics

PvP has not fundamentally changed

The biggest change has probably been Tempering cube and Dolls, which made Damage Reduction become a significant factor, making stall teams actually viable

[misty finch]

But we have stuff like nayuta, lib, s.anis randomly falling off (I think) and these yeah

[spiral onyx]

But stall teams have always existed. They just weren't very good back then

[misty finch]

Though weren't dolls and tempering out when u were still updating the list?

[steady sierra]

Wait in that same concept. A 2.5rl noah will get cut by a 3rl noah team as well right?

[spiral onyx]

Nayuta and Liberalio introduces nothing new to PvP fundamentals

[spiral onyx]

Yes. I just meant in general, PvP now is no different from PvP at launch. Just we have more units and the balance of strat effectiveness has shifted due to those new units

Nothing has changed in Nikke PvP at a fundamental level

[misty finch]

Ye but the tier list is more about units and less about the fundamentals right

[spiral onyx]

Right, but the tier list comments section gives insight into fundamentals

[misty finch]

And new units = more possible interactions

Fair ye

[spiral onyx]

A lack of comprehensive fundamentals guide is the main reason why I say I need to make a new video

[misty finch]

Although I'd say stuff like little mermaid and vesti have changed defensive teambuilding

[spiral onyx]

The old video only covers some fundamentals, but like the tier list, it does this through concrete examples rather than generic theory

Ah yes, Siren is actually a shift introduction

It shifted the importance of burst speed

And positioning

Positioning was already kinda important though due to SGs

And speed was important due to trying to outspeed the opponent

But now speed is also important in that there's an actual timeline that needs to be respected or you'll get punished by Siren stun

Vesti, I don't see as a major changer. Death through RL AoE spam was always a strat with units like Emilia and A2, it just became much much stronger to the point where it was practical.

[scarlet adder]

who win this one ?

[glad meteor]

SG can be countered by biscuit, nayuta and noise + noah jackal 2rl linked

[swift mango]

well, Nayuta has the wipe before 2rl noah of same speed, but it's just grimmick.
Them both make Nero stall weaker.

[tulip quest]

Does Noah not block Nayuta?

[oak hatch]

Depends on whoever wins the cindy round

@gaunt pulsar kinda nervous about that vesti vs cindy matchup

[loud urchin]

Any tips how to counter this?🙏

[gaunt pulsar]

not gonna change my prediction t1 t2 t5 maybe even t3 because why not

[oak hatch]

Me too and just realized both 1 and 2 are vesti vs cindy I’m more worried about 1

Well time to

[gaunt pulsar]

1h

[oak hatch]

[keen vapor]

Same level range or under?

[loud urchin]

Under 5-10 k power

[short plaza]

keripo? I didn't know you were actually here I be watching your yt vids alot

[keen vapor]

Skip Vesti

[swift mango]

If same speed, no

[tulip quest]

you watched the video above from zero?

[swift mango]

Nah, you could check my chat history, I did a rookie video about that right after I got her.

Noah s3 has delay, while Nayuta is instant wipe.

Both burst 2. It's easy to guess even with just logic.

[tulip quest]

can you post here again?

[tulip quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7JDVO7ke1o 0:36

Noah didn't block in time same 2 RL

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

Maybe you need more CS, I only tested with my rookie guys and Idk their CS
Discussion around this time.

[oak hatch]

@gaunt pulsar let’s go!

It wasn’t even close

[swift mango]

Oh we have winner already! Thanks.

I guess since I wasn't very active these days my testing and teams weren't promoted enough.

[gaunt pulsar]

@fast nest ty for frame, and gj

[gaunt pulsar]

had a feeling about 3 being W too , gonna watch all of them

[umbral belfry]

@heavy hearth congrats on your losers frame

[covert lintel]

I can't test anything

[oak hatch]

Oops wrong replay

@gaunt pulsar so ye I wonder how scarlet healed on that match but not this match here

At the beginning they healed 40% instantly

[umbral belfry]

that's not healing, that's rosa dispelling trina on her

[oak hatch]

Ohhhh

[umbral belfry]

[oak hatch]

I guess me being on defense gave them an advantage?

Cindoro was on attack here

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/rosanna-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-rosanna-nikke-gif-15418906129048919105

[umbral belfry]

sg attacking v scar do tend to get far more counter deaths vs def (assuming no jack) yes

[umbral belfry]

I'm a little distracted blood

[oak hatch]

I see, that’s something to consider next time, thx

[umbral belfry]

she got a nuke nice and ready for your scar

[swift mango]

Try to test your teams before putting into CA. Or it would be hard to ever win it.

I tested a tons before but I'm lazy these days.

[raven plover]

nah just wing it and pray

[shell hazel]

no one to test on I just copy last winner teams if I need to and cba to think 😄

[hollow hamlet]

It's fun making someone spend gems to beat you up in rookie arena

[oak hatch]

Noah survived vs absolute squad but everyone else got insta killed so they couldn’t burst

[umbral belfry]

understood the mission but forgot the rest

[hollow hamlet]

One guy in rookie has the absolute squad on defense, not sure what the counter is

[oak hatch]

Probably a fast team with nayuta on the left side of the team to tank and b1 on the right side so they don’t get insta nuked

[umbral belfry]

@wild hemlock the multi winner I lost 3-2 won again

what have I done

[gaunt pulsar]

do the same rules apply in pvp as in auto pve, if you reloading - auto burst going to stall button press until you finished?

[oak hatch]

Ye that’s how scarlet with the right ammo count doesn’t get hit by siren stun

She needs to reload

[gaunt pulsar]

no sec what i was thinking about doesn't sound right

[heavy hearth]

Yay! Thank you so much for your help

[oak hatch]

Or u meant that pause even with enough burst meter where they don’t burst during auto

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah

[oak hatch]

I think they always burst with enough in PvP

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, think so too, otherwise scar would be stuck in reload when she tries to avoid stun

[oak hatch]

Imagine all those cs lines just to be stuck on burst reloading

[gaunt pulsar]

t5 still looks weird af, or we just dont see his scar burst because camera is on him, wouldn't have mattered because cindoro noah burst went anyway before stun landed but still

[fast nest]

[oak hatch]

Actually have no clue how scar team went ahead there, even anis didn’t die early enough

[oak hatch]

Congrats

[gaunt pulsar]

went behind you mean?

[fast nest]

Tyty. I gonna focus on Soloraid from now.

[oak hatch]

Ye went behind

There’s no reason for Noah to go before soda there unless lib team is stacked out on cs there

[hollow hamlet]

So fastest RL possible? Hmmm, Nayuta-Noah-VestiTU-THelm-Jackal or something

[fast nest]

Which team are you against?

[hollow hamlet]

If you're asking me: moran/EunhwaTU/VestiTU/EmmaTU/THelm

[gaunt pulsar]

with faster maiden could have been even faster, they like 4 frames apart, while scar probably didnt countered enough and he had not enough quantums on team

[oak hatch]

I don’t think that maiden has even 1 ol gear

[oak hatch]

Most likely ur spa guy forgot 1 quantum cube or 2

[covert lintel]

With the same def team?

Only regular noah biscuit in my rookie

[fast nest]

Rumani Cindy biscuit Any Nayuta

[hollow hamlet]

no Rumani

[oak hatch]

Weird how the scar team doesn’t need any quantum on nikke top while Nikke deck needs two quantum

[gaunt pulsar]

very likely could be scar ammo, and her counters + quantums maybe, she is on 20 ammo while nikke top assumes you have infinite so he is missing at least 2.7% energy at 2rl just because he was not shooting with her at all

[gaunt pulsar]

nikke deck doesn't count counters

[scarlet adder]

bottom team won

[gaunt pulsar]

if they do they do it differently*

[oak hatch]

Yeah makes sense only way is quantum or ammo here, he had to follow nikke deck and go with the double quantum’s to be safe there

[fast nest]

Put any B1 defender launcher at P1 and put HelmT at P4.

[umbral belfry]

my job is done gl next ca, maybe we'll meet

[hollow hamlet]

Jackal then? Jackal Cindy Biscuit THelm Nayuta?

[oak hatch]

Iirc ennor had some weird nayuta pepper team and it won vs absolute, team wasn’t very fast either

[fast nest]

yeah doesnt matter.

[fast nest]

yeah but that deck's burst is fast because of helmT. So, the deck I suggest is safe way.

[swift mango]

That's enough. Your test if it works against Noah. And test if the speed of the team is lining up as you expected.

For all 5 teams. Not the best way to test but better than nothing. There should also be Scarlet in your rookie.

Even if lower CP.

[covert lintel]

200level

No one uses scarlet anymore ever since vesti take over the nikke world

[glad meteor]

I miss vestiless days

[swift mango]

remove nikke or unsynch them to match cp

[swift mango]

I wish my rookie and SpA actually use Vesti for me to test.

[signal hull]

Noah+Noise vs Scar+Siren, I thought there was a way to make sure that Siren's stun will go to Noise, wasn't it, something about charge speed?

[swift mango]

Noise P1 and has less CS, 1 tier lower, check CS tier comment in pin.

[swift mango]

Take your 300 gem

[umbral belfry]

[heavy hearth]

I think I need to update my arena teams any thoughts?

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/uma-musume-umamusume-rice-shower-grab-punch-gif-1869699318709638202

It's all your fault

[heavy hearth]

This is what I’ve previously used

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

racing off to lunch but you could always do 2rl scar, 2rl vesti indom, 2rl cindy (I wouldn't personally do lib on def as she's easy to counter)/your current 3rd team is fine too

[unique mountain]

Da thread is up

[heavy hearth]

Is this ok or can I do better than this? No rush on responding to me. Enjoy your lunch 🙂

[viscid urchin]

Is there a way to achieve defensive victory against someone who has Nikke at 30+ levels higher than you and keeps hunting you specifically?

[quaint anchor]

probs difficult since they have advantage in seeing your teams before attacking

[viscid urchin]

Dammit. Yet I CAN take their team down but ugh. It’s this guy

[quaint anchor]

it gets even worse when someone is willing to spend 400-600 gems a day to hunt you (theres a guy like that in my bracket who hunted me, but he's like 10 levels lower than me though)

guy has negative gem income from pvp'

[viscid urchin]

Siiiigh so what, I just have to take it?

[dense kindle]

30 levels is a lot, im not pvp expert but would seem pretty easy to just CP pad teams to victory

[quaint anchor]

i ended up doing like two teams that are charged before 2rl and one on the dot to get that guy to beat me

unless they use some crazy unoptimized teams, probs gonna be hard, i beat this one guy who is 50 level shigher, but his pvp teams are like pve teams

[viscid urchin]

Ugh…I don’t like this

[quaint anchor]

i try to change my defense team everytime im beaten though, sometime that just makes them give up

[umbral belfry]

putting anis with blanc isn't a good idea due to her low base stats. it's very easy to misindon. these are easy examples.

scar b1 can be siren or soda but you risk being cp gapped if you had a unbuilt soda alongside anis

jsasor

[dense kindle]

hime taking over for rail , the student has become the master

[umbral belfry]

I am but a noob

and now i go back to doggo work

[dense kindle]

What does that make me

[umbral belfry]

🐤

[viscid urchin]

Ok then can I get input on how to improve my DEF team? This is what I got atm:

[heavy hearth]

Thank you! I’ll give that a shot

[quaint anchor]

i use pretty janky no buff lib team to fit into 2rl

but cindy with noise/centi/helmt/xmaiden
and scarlet team with emi instead of la place

rest into lib team for 2rl

[viscid urchin]

Was this referring to me? Or just someone else?

[quaint anchor]

you, your team and mine is kinda similar

[viscid urchin]

Oh…I uhh don’t have Emi

[quaint anchor]

probs can replace with whatever cliprl, i just used her since it lets me go at 2rl

[viscid urchin]

And this is for team 3?

[quaint anchor]

let me show u one sec

i use these three teams

at least for defense, i use something else for attacking

that lib team is janky

probs don't need that many quantum cubes either

[viscid urchin]

Ohhh…but how would I arrange that then?

My Team 1 is pretty damn strong so I can leave that be.

I DO have XMaiden…albeit unbuilt because only one copy (not MLB).

So how should I approach teams 2 and 3 then?

Ooops somehow misquoted. How the hell does that happen?

[quaint anchor]

uh my xmaiden is very not built too (1 copy + shit ol lines/ sr0 doll) i just use it to give cindy buffs, my helm cp pads instead since she's max core

[viscid urchin]

Alright then in that case, how would you suggest I approach this? Should I remove someone from team 3 and 2?

For the record I DO also have Vesti TU and Biscuit. Admittedly not built because I left it be for months trying to progress in Hard mode

[quaint anchor]

i think if u invest in vesti, you can just overhaul your 2nd team

i have no vesti

[viscid urchin]

Oh? I am intrigued. Please elaborate and who do I deploy? No need to worry about rocks too much I think I can spare a few

[quaint anchor]

Noah Centi VestiTU Helm.T RH (2RL)

Jackal Rumani VestiTU Blanc ClipRL (2RL)

thoughts

once i get vesti i was planning on using moran team with scarlet and moving jackal to vesti team

[viscid urchin]

Wait wait wait, is that just for team 2 or teams 2 and 3?

[lusty gull]

take care, since a silent update, it seems rl and sr hit 2 frames faster @quick lake @spiral onyx @umbral belfry

[lusty gull]

i ping you @umbral belfry because it seems @tropic summit is missing

[rich ledge]

Lol what is this

He hit me 9 times

[gritty ridge]

That was me, my bad

[gritty ridge]

The update changed how the position affects frames

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

New years unit rl/sr confirmed

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

wait what

[swift mango]

Could I bother you to send the 5 screenshot shot of your winner?

[coarse lake]

is it related to the reduced cover/aim time that I've been hearing about

[swift mango]

If everyone is faster, no one is.

Maybe you would need to adjust 1-2% from other weapon types like AR getting 1 less hit in I guess.

[placid bloom]

Mermaid become worse

[swift mango]

Are you opening your game Agent? Could you send 5 screenshot of your winner?

[placid bloom]

don't think Rosanna affected much

[swift mango]

Send it in 2 comment

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Their name too.

[coarse lake]

it would have been me if I didn't lose both a 50/50 and nayuta tie

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Thanks

[oak hatch]

Is this u as well

[oak hatch]

I can send if u want

[swift mango]

Sure. Thanks.

[coarse lake]

the first shot is the same time right

I heard it's a cover time reduction, so applies to 2nd shot and onwards

[quick lake]

I cant think of any changes if everything’s 2 frames faster. Siren stun less useful, 5sg is relatively slower now, vestiTU full TU team more viable

[coarse lake]

I don't think vesti gonna be affected

[quick lake]

[coarse lake]

since she doesn't go back into cover until first volley is over

[gritty ridge]

Ofc

[swift mango]

Their name too please.

[oak hatch]

[swift mango]

Thanks

[oak hatch]

[swift mango]

Could you send me your Japanese account Champs 5 teams, I would love to see a Japan champ for once that's not Neko.

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/point-gif-2450101530054484962

[quick lake]

i got no jp account

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

Then any account is fine too.

[umbral belfry]

all I ask is a single rock

[swift mango]

Share me 10 fragments.

[umbral belfry]

never

[swift mango]

Share me your champ guy teams then.

[quick lake]

Clie, the winner
Almost exact same team lmao

[swift mango]

NA or Global?

[quick lake]

global

[viscid urchin]

Any lineups I could use for teams 2 and 3? They could definitely be stronger

[swift mango]

And hey, do you guys screenshot the same way or there are some community resources for Champ teams that Idk.

[quick lake]

pretty sure I sent u before

[umbral belfry]

I mean i couuuuuuuld

[quick lake]

https://nikke-tools.netlify.app
All JP teams for the last 16(?) seasons

[umbral belfry]

ok nvm my winner was literally this but no emi

here blood

[quick lake]

[umbral belfry]

the cn strike again

[quick lake]

copy machines

[swift mango]

JP only? Or they record champion from other region too?

[quick lake]

i think jp only. i think

no eng translation, but database is really good.All the stats u need

[viscid urchin]

@tropic summit any tips mon ami? If it helps, I finally have the resources to build Biscuit, XMaiden and Vesti TU

[umbral belfry]

I got bad news for you my friend

rail still plays nikke but likely burned out of pvp chat, you likely won't get an answer

[glad meteor]

i ran these teams one, and got plppd

[umbral belfry]

I would try to help but I'm busy with doggos at work

me being busy

[viscid urchin]

Awww…well you know what, the man deserves a break. I’ll keep asking around here. I’m just a tad too stupid to make a good decision on how to improve the teams so I’d like to avoid wasted resources

[swift mango]

Doesn't really help. What's that no Emi team? And what order?

[viscid urchin]

Oh my goodness I just wanna hug and squeeze that fluffer! Must be an absolute darling

My sister’s little rascal that I got to meet recently

[umbral belfry]

I said no emi bc we literally don't have emi. so it's still 2rl. but fine I'll show pics

[umbral belfry]

awww

[lusty gull]

after, @tropic summit, you seems popular here

[lusty gull]

from what i read, yes

[swift mango]

Thanks

[umbral belfry]

OHHH BROTHERRRRRR

[swift mango]

https://discord.com/channels/1314994208691589190/1454155498780889269

You could check the Champ team archive on @unique mountain 's union Section discord. And contribute if you could help.

[umbral belfry]

there

[swift mango]

Thanks.

[umbral belfry]

I still have much to learn

[swift mango]

Must be the first champ I had many record.

[quick lake]

damn really like exactly the same

[umbral belfry]

he won 5 times

[umbral belfry]

I told blood but he didn't believe me!

[swift mango]

Well, it's better now that I have another champ records this CA.

Totally 8 records.

@unique mountain where is the Discord link on your account description?

Maybe only six.

Okay seven but I miss one somewhere

There

Thanks guys for the help

[swift mango]

She is a rare female player in this pervert game.

[oak hatch]

@swift mango is cr and black hit rate worth keeping here or do I lock l3 and go for attack/ele

[swift mango]

Only Vesti needs OL reroll. The rest can make do with base OL.
Vesti: 71010. At least 5% CS and 2 Ammo. But offensive stats help.
Biscuit: CP pad. S2 if wanted more heal. S3 if used with S.Anis. 477 for preference. Try getting 11%+ CS if you could.
XMaiden: Same to Biscuit, S2+3, and some CS. But you may want some Ele on her for PvE.

[wild hemlock]

Does scarlet really have enough dmg to wipe with just Trina buff?

[swift mango]

If you need the CP and have other to OL then could keep. But you need 50-60% Ammo anyway so you probably need to reroll attribute. So that hit rate is not worth the lock. Try getting ATK on her if you could.

[umbral belfry]

g o o nette

I gotta find more of my people

[oak hatch]

Rail told me that ammo % is perfect to avoid siren stun before

[lusty gull]

well, you are almost as popular

[umbral belfry]

blood a girl

[umbral belfry]

from personal experience yes unless noise/moran bursts first

[viscid urchin]

Oh hey, thanks dude! Sorry was doing my dailies. Any then lineups for teams 2 and 3? I feel they’re my weakest

[swift mango]

I'm just yapping too much for a year.

[umbral belfry]

my scar is 4 atk but baby crit

[oak hatch]

So does 60% max ammo scar still avoid siren stun

[wild hemlock]

The scarlet, rapu, emi, Trina, TLaplace team confuses me cause it feels like that wouldn't be enough dmg. If enemy moran/Noise bursts will it not be enough or is that rng

[umbral belfry]

idk how much that is in shooting range but lemme see mine

[oak hatch]

Thanks

[swift mango]

20-32 ammo dodge the stun. 60% is 20+12
You want 30-32 if you want that AtK buff from 10 hit.

[umbral belfry]

I ran scar rapu trina lap centi and could wipe everything but a noise hp buff, but i expected that

[ripe aurora]

You need to be under 32 ammo to avoid it

[umbral belfry]

emi rerun where

[wild hemlock]

Is it time to be a meta copy slave... Everyone has that scarlet comp maybe I join the cult

[umbral belfry]

yeah you're good. I'm at 31 ammo with this much

[umbral belfry]

join us in being filthy meta slaves

your scar is likely better than mine, so if i can do it so can you

[ripe aurora]

Hey, we're not filthy! We just following hygeine meta

[umbral belfry]

[oak hatch]

no wonder my scar seemed so weak

It was bricked the entire time

[wild hemlock]

My RH/Scarlet usually never loses though except that 1 match recently but I already fixed it so Trina will have temp cube now. But maybe not worth if that scarlet comp just works better hmm

[umbral belfry]

trina temp cube

speaking of temp, I put tempura on centi expecting potential sg back shots and it saved me bc centi didn't pie + rapu hraled

[swift mango]

20 ammo is viable. Just need 7-8 Crit and 60% ATK to help

[wild hemlock]

Is it though

[umbral belfry]

I'll trade you some crit rate for some of my crit dmg

[swift mango]

Gimme 1 Crit dmg I will give you 1 of my 3 Ele.

[umbral belfry]

no deal I want crit

[wild hemlock]

[umbral belfry]

[noble python]

Ok so these are my current PVP teams and wanted to know if there’s any upgrades I could make

[umbral belfry]

t2 and t3 are fine, I'd personally take away drake for a clip rl/better burst gen bc she feeds a lot

t1 I'd consider removing lib for a better burst gen myself. and getting siren out of p2 because she's very unsafe from vesti

but those teams are doable more or less yes

now I drive home

[noble python]

Where would I move Siren too then and give examples of units like that

[umbral belfry]

a vesti can only hit p4-p5 enemies once she bursts, pre burst she can't. you're saving your siren from dying beforehand

[noble python]

Gotcha

[umbral belfry]

since you're likely 2rl via feed I guess you don't really need to take out lib? your choice

I'm assuming scar and lib are linked

[noble python]

I have no clue lol

[umbral belfry]

an easy way is going into shooting range with this team, pausing and then see who has the jackal link

if it's not scar and lib that means you need more atk rolls on them bc the link goes off final atk

but yeah more or less for your sync those aren't bad teams imo

[noble python]

How do I tell their linked is it like a status effect?

Also what kind of unit would replace T Drake/Lib just give some examples XD

[umbral belfry]

if an unit is linked it'll say the jackal flash skill

[tribal hollow]

Something to the tune of this skill

[noble python]

Gotcha

[umbral belfry]

Clip RL options such as rumani, centi, sr anis as they're better burst gen. but, because 9 times out of 10 you'll be reaching 2rl, imo taking them out for lib isn't needed

but you will be faster if you do so

okie I poof for realsies gl

[noble python]

They are both linked

[umbral belfry]

that's good then. at this point it's up to you whether you want to exchange lib for one of the clip rls options I mentioned to make sure you're always at 2rl vs maybe 2rl due to feed

personally I would

[noble python]

Thing is Centi is on T3 and Rumani is on T2 so then I’d have to find another replacement for one of the two

[umbral belfry]

also I noticed your team order late, but I would recommend moving noah from a dangerous spot (again for vesti lol). noise might save her but no need to take an unnecessary risk.

I suggest putting winds in p4 (e.g blanc noah). nayuta is an exception due to her 9 sec indom

[umbral belfry]

then your last option is anis, but she would no longer be linked and either trina or siren is. due to that, yes lib is okay here

[noble python]

If need be I can send my Nikke box but it’s gonna take a bit I have a lot of SSRs lol

[umbral belfry]

it's all good you don't have to. at your sync what you have is doable. if you had other big pvp units such as vesti and LapT that'd be different

but you should be fine for your def unless your opponents know what they're doing or your sync gapped

tldr, decent teams yes some improvements can be made but nothing drastic

[noble python]

I’m working on getting Lap T

[umbral belfry]

I would say replacing DrakeT for sr anis (or LapT if you have) is the most important

do you have xmaid?

mhm

[noble python]

You mean Ice Rose Maiden?

I do

[umbral belfry]

actually

maybe I'm bias to 2rl vesti but imo you do want her faster

[noble python]

Oh?

[umbral belfry]

but to do so (e.g vesti indom) jack would have to leave scar

I think you're fine now. but if you find yourself struggling to maintain def I would suggest it

[noble python]

Ok

[umbral belfry]

I'll show my def as example

something to maybe work towards if you really want to. vesti indom is busted

siren can also be other b1s (rh, rosa, soda)

ideally you do want siren p2 due to taunters, but you also risk her dying vs vesti. so for def siren p2 is risky

[noble python]

You must be Challenger 1 surely lol

[umbral belfry]

[noble python]

I was right lol

[umbral belfry]

in f2p

but yes, unless someone else in your bracket knows what they're doing you should be fine

[noble python]

I’m currently Challenger 7 semi F2P

[umbral belfry]

unless you get cp gapped then alas

[umbral belfry]

not bad

[noble python]

Yeah the 6th and above are pretty good tho

[umbral belfry]

for you, you might benefit in your rank due to learning what teams beat what

so even if you want to be a higher rank, you can use what you have now for help too

[noble python]

Fair enough

This is my Top 6 bracket

[oak hatch]

Challenger 3 best for practice and most gems

[umbral belfry]

get em

I can't test teams anymore CA is my new testing ground

[noble python]

I can’t battle Challenger 3 until I beat at least Challenger 4-6

[umbral belfry]

is it a cp gap issue or their teams are difficult?

[noble python]

I think maybe both

[umbral belfry]

bc if the cp gap isn't too bad it's possible to win

oh

[noble python]

But again I ain’t no expert you’d guys would have to decide haha

[umbral belfry]

I'm interested in seeing now

[noble python]

This is Challenger 6’s Defense

[umbral belfry]

oh yeah this is winnable

gimme a sec to get cozy

[noble python]

Will do

[umbral belfry]

remember what I said about winds in p1-p3? that's vesti food

[noble python]

Yeah

The only exception is Nayuta bc Indom

That’s what you said

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

(unless rosa dispels her but yeah)

[noble python]

Yeah

I should move T Vesti to Team 1

For this fight

[umbral belfry]

that is the right move yes

gimme a sec

[noble python]

Will do

[misty finch]

Why is rumani p2 in the pinned jackal vesti team?

Isn’t she at risk of stealing the imdom

[placid bloom]

it depends. In theory it's not a safe spot but it's actually not that easy to make a team that has good burst gen and hits p1 + p2 equally.

[tribal hollow]

Is there any sense in trying to navigate this defense without T. Bay available? Round 1's a simple counter, and I don't really want to deal with round 3. My hack job Vesti indom team in round 2 results in burst blocked by Noah and Emilia getting indom buff xd

Just kind of need an idiot check

[umbral belfry]

i'm personally someone that goes for only 2 teams vs all 3. helps me save up units

t1 is noise team
t2 skip unless t3 is cp-gapped
t3 scar team

show a pic of your cp vs theirs before fighting

[quaint anchor]

me who is never gonna hit challenger 1 due to gap so big it'll never get closed

will i win against 200 level gap

[umbral belfry]

you want to use lib vs t3's slow cindy

[worn ridge]

Why u dont use emilia in your def ?

[umbral belfry]

bc i don't have her LOL

i joined the game too late

would she be on my def if i did have her? maybe

[umbral belfry]

you're cooked

[quaint anchor]

at least it's only one guy ig

it used to be two

[placid bloom]

even in a set up like this, depending on how much damage the opponent's Vesti takes, there is a small chance that indom still doesn't get taken by Rumani if she is tanky enough

[tribal hollow]

Oh really? That's interesting. I was getting annoyed at that team always being able to burst because of Biscuit and Nayuta indom despite being slow as molasses. Will try in a few hours. Thank you

[untold tapir]

Does anyone have a good guide or suggestions for building teams for PVP cause I do not understand how to build teams and why would be losing to those with far lower level and cp than me.

[quaint anchor]

there are some team comps in the pin you can refer to - helped me out a ton

[umbral belfry]

also your emi stole indom. you need to put vigor on her

[placid bloom]

if you just want teams then you can copy the ones on the pins, if you want to learn the mechanics you can check the pinned resource links and read about how burst gen works as well as matchups

[quaint anchor]

just making sure teams get fully charged before 2RL point helped me win a lot more ngl

[placid bloom]

you will need to understand the mechanics at least a bit if you're trying to build your own teams

[umbral belfry]

try this with these cubes. skip t1

[untold tapir]

So how do I understand?

[umbral belfry]

if emi steals indom again even with vigor then

[untold tapir]

I don't understand the rocket launcher stuff and why they are so important for pvp.

[quaint anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-cooked-hes-cooked-you're-cooked-ur-cooked-gif-16603214519610947661

[tribal hollow]

Roger that, I hope I'm not cooked lmao

[worn ridge]

But the second team isn't that hard

[umbral belfry]

sec checking t3

[quaint anchor]

RL gives burst gen, faster burst = more chance for u to wipe the other team before they kill u

i think

[placid bloom]

the oldest pin is a post from Keripo with links to every guide, I suggest starting with the guides on burst gen calculation

[noble python]

Kk

[placid bloom]

then you can start reading his tier list notes since they give you an idea of what Nikke counter what matchups

[quaint anchor]

idk tbh i dont understand most of pvp, i just made sure my teams were all 2RL or faster on nikke.top and it was all bing chilling

[tribal hollow]

I was figuring that, hence why I said idiot check. I was like "this shouldn't be this difficult, but I may as well ask instead of just sitting here being stupid"

[placid bloom]

speed is easy to understand, but when you start needing to split your resources into multiple teams you need to understand what kits you need to put on which team

[umbral belfry]

t1 not cp-gapped
t3 not cp-gapped

get em

[placid bloom]

if you put Noah on one team that means you need to beat the 2nd team without Noah, and so on

so you need to understand other Nikke's kits too and their team reqs

[umbral belfry]

in a world where i did play earlier to get emi, she would replace xmaid on my vesti indom team if it mattered

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

emi rerun when

[placid bloom]

f2p with C7 Emi?

[umbral belfry]

or you can emi indom and noise noah vesti

[placid bloom]

sus

[noble python]

Challenger 6 Elimnated

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

we did it chat

[tribal hollow]

[spiral onyx]

Damn, I underestimated myself. The only team I lost with was the XSoline team where, as predicted, XSoline got Siren stunned. Will have that fixed for next CA

[tribal hollow]

I WAS HERE

[umbral belfry]

i believed

grats to you

[worn ridge]

If i was u , ill use 4 shotguns + laplace / 4 shorguns with rossana easy win even with gap a braindead team but it works mostly against my enemy teams

[placid bloom]

6 CA win

[umbral belfry]

i tried to warn about rh nayu not being enough for moran dr granted i didn't watch upload if it's up

[placid bloom]

actually Idk how many, it don't keep track after 5

until 10th win

[noble python]

We might be able to take Challenger 3

[umbral belfry]

how does it look

[noble python]

Challenger 3 defense

[placid bloom]

he have real teams

and 40 sync gap

no good

well maybe you can survive

[noble python]

Challenger 6 had a 37 sync gap

[umbral belfry]

he knows what he's doing

let's see

[placid bloom]

it depends on if he has real stats on his char

[umbral belfry]

eye balling it rn t1 is winnable

actually

[placid bloom]

cuz there's a real chance you just get annihilated by normals

[spiral onyx]

@vale fossil @swift mango As I expected, even RH buffed Nayuta nuke tickles in CA

[oak hatch]

Baron predicted correctly I thought 3 and 5 were the only bad matchups for u

[placid bloom]

[quaint anchor]

even if i get into CA in the future do i even bother in this bracket

[umbral belfry]

we taking c3 and we are dodging the absolute fk out of t3 lmfao

sec

[noble python]

Kk

[umbral belfry]

how's your bay?

[spiral onyx]

This season was interesting. Usually it's all CN players + me.

[placid bloom]

you have to Noah Cinderella for t1 most likely, I don't think your attacker b3 can survive Ros nuke if that's a real Ros

[quaint anchor]

when i see chinese player

i cheer cuz it's probs some whale

[spiral onyx]

Not sure what changed

[umbral belfry]

im thinking typical 2rl noise noah cindy team

[noble python]

Only 1 copy

[placid bloom]

and then indom Vesti t2

[umbral belfry]

but bay can work yes

[spiral onyx]

Naw, not all CN players are whales. But they do cooks sharing much better than the EN community lol

[placid bloom]

and dodge team 3 cuz that is death

[untold tapir]

These are teams built.

Kept RRH for last team to just give as high a CP deficit.

[umbral belfry]

vesti indom? i immeditately say nope LMAO

[quaint anchor]

yeah i assume those wechat groups be sharing all the sauce

[umbral belfry]

@noble python this is for you btw

[noble python]

Ik I replied

[untold tapir]

Cooks?

[umbral belfry]

oh sorry, i must've missed

does she have armor on?

[spiral onyx]

EN community has a single PvP channel... And it's a help channel lol. CN community has tons of subchannels in their Discord, and Discord isn't even their main social chat (WeChat is)

[quaint anchor]

theres chinese discord? time to find a way to get in

[noble python]

Like depends on if you mean fully leveled gear if so then nope

[spiral onyx]

EN used to be ahead, now we're far behind

[placid bloom]

they still use Tieba too I am pretty sure

[quaint anchor]

i wont understand much, but i'll figure it out

[placid bloom]

which is basically their version of reddit

[umbral belfry]

hm, gimme a sec

[spiral onyx]

Our Reddit is just full of SFW/NSFW fanart lol

And the occasional cosplay

[quaint anchor]

EN Nikke reddit is just straight up ass lmao

quite literally and figuratively

[placid bloom]

it's cuz the strong players don't use reddit

it's not uncommon to see high rank players on Tieba

[quaint anchor]

im tryna look into KR fourms for info these days

but pvp isn't their big focus it seems

solo raid on other hand though

[placid bloom]

tbh even blablalink have a lot of JP players posting guides

[tribal hollow]

I'll give it a shot if the other teams don't work out. Thank you

[placid bloom]

blablalink more credible than reddit

[spiral onyx]

My PvP posts are all the way at the bottom

[noble python]

Oki

[quaint anchor]

lmao nikke reddit users too busy doing uh...

[placid bloom]

why is your UR recommendation nsfw

[spiral onyx]

The entire Reddit is marked as NSFW

[placid bloom]

[quaint anchor]

not suprising though

[placid bloom]

but this is PG13 game

[quaint anchor]

surely pg13

was watching this korean streamer and his thumbnail was like

"its not important that i get 3k gems, it's more important that this other guy gets 2700 instead of 3k"

[spiral onyx]

That applies to all of Reddit lmao. The majority of my Reddit posts are actually guides or videos but none of them show up until the second page. People love up voting memes and cosplay pics instead lol

[quaint anchor]

yeah reddit isn't amazing to find info these days

i think i went to nikke reddit a few times and just stopped going completely lmfao

[spiral onyx]

6 CA wins now. 4 more to go
https://youtu.be/9EqixLz0Whc?si=eoeBoYuPLmGDR1vz

[umbral belfry]

a few ways to fight t2. show cp before going

idk who would be linked for t2 outside of vesti. maybe trina? if so put vigor cube

or you can switch rumani and trina

[umbral belfry]

oh lord t2 😭

that's a cp-gap sec

[quaint anchor]

fat gap

[noble python]

Kk

[umbral belfry]

i guess alt we could vesti t1 to remove rosa conceal

a bit risky though

[noble python]

Hmm

[umbral belfry]

check again

if you don't have tempuring you can either use vigor or endurance in case rosa can nuke

[noble python]

I have Tempering but it’s pretty low level

[umbral belfry]

still better than endurance imo

[noble python]

I actually have Vigor on Rumani and Adjuant on Noah

[umbral belfry]

adjuant is fine on noah, but tempering provides more protection defensive wise

[noble python]

What cube on Maiden?

[umbral belfry]

any is fine, could go resi/bastion

[umbral belfry]

oof

[placid bloom]

T2 doesn’t need to be 2RL if you need to CP pad

[umbral belfry]

the problem is the cp tbh

[placid bloom]

Cinderella is slow even at 2RL

[umbral belfry]

i doubt they can cp pad/go over them

t1 is safe though (cp-wise) but potential danger of rosa nuking rumani and noah

hmm

[noble python]

Hmm

[umbral belfry]

so close 😭

[placid bloom]

You can win with some deficit on Vesti

Though it’s not guaranteed

[umbral belfry]

t2 miiiiight win

MU wise that's a 100% win

[placid bloom]

You can just get gunned down

[umbral belfry]

tiny cp-gap wise

it's risky

you can try it

but know it's risky

[placid bloom]

I don’t like Centi p4 though, would feel better with Ada or something

[noble python]

If it’s risky then why not come up with another plan

[umbral belfry]

fair. but that assumes they have ada/have ada

she would help much more though

my other suggestion was 2rl scar soda, but i assume you don't have soda built at your sync

unless you do

[noble python]

I do have Ada but uh same problem as with Bay and such not much investment

[umbral belfry]

scar siren can also work but it's a big question mark if it's noise or noah getting stunned. not to mention hoping your scar can nuke through a noise buff

[umbral belfry]

fair enough

[noble python]

Which Soda

[umbral belfry]

got sbs? we can try 2rl sbs idom

[umbral belfry]

OG soda, not the sg ver

[placid bloom]

If it’s Vesti Helm link you can RH p4 Jackal p5

[noble python]

Yes

[umbral belfry]

true

[placid bloom]

Just pray Helm don’t crit Vesti

[umbral belfry]

but who's to say vesti is linked with helm + rh

[umbral belfry]

is she built?

[noble python]

Yes

Was one of my earliest Pilgrims so I did build her

[umbral belfry]

hmmm

[worthy sorrel]

was just catching up on some chat and swear srg marin was green just a few minutes ago

level up in real time or is my dementia setting in

[umbral belfry]

hi cup

[worthy sorrel]

[placid bloom]

I don’t think Scar Soda can one-shot at that sync gap

[umbral belfry]

and he was LOL he leveled up

[placid bloom]

Especially through Noise B1

[noble python]

I did indeed level up in real time

[umbral belfry]

i agree. that's why i didn't suggest

[worthy sorrel]

[umbral belfry]

and scar siren is too risky

lemme go back to kitchen

[noble python]

Ok

[worthy sorrel]

glad to know i'm not going senile.. yet.

and grats!
certified yapper

[hardy bison]

Hi all, how do I deal with this team? I see three people with this set up. https://prnt.sc/4tshgidTHCI9

[noble python]

Ty and not just a certified Yapper a certified PvP enthusiast Yapper lmao

[umbral belfry]

again trina and rumani can be switched

pls no cp gap

then again

wanting to use vesti but fearing the rosa snipe

i think(?) noise can be fast enough

[umbral belfry]

my go-to

i see an unprotected wind in p1-p3 and i instant use vesti

lib can work too

[hardy bison]

Sadly my Noise is no good 🙁

[umbral belfry]

like not good as in you think she'll die before bursting?

[hardy bison]

yeah

[umbral belfry]

i'm still vesti-ing em one way or another

centi isn't needed though

if you have ada to ensure the kill you can, just make sure she doesn't steal link

[hardy bison]

alright

[umbral belfry]

[noble python]

Blanc is the problem

[umbral belfry]

[noble python]

Lowest CP out of all of them

[umbral belfry]

oof

[noble python]

I think we need a Blanc substitute

Only then can I be non Defceit

[umbral belfry]

bay would be even lower i'm assuming

[noble python]

Ye

[umbral belfry]

fair enough

hmm

[noble python]

Hmm

[umbral belfry]

bay is more or less an anti nuke, worse than noah though

but the goal is even if helm dies, xmaid is another nuke. but bc she's a defender rosa won't get her

bay doesn't need to be built that much, hopefully it's enough to not cp gap though

[umbral belfry]

😭

at least t2 isn't cp gapped

[noble python]

Yeah

[umbral belfry]

bad news is i'm running out of options

good news

[noble python]

Good news is??

[umbral belfry]

i still do think this is winnable, even if the tiny cp-gap on t2. i would put vigor on jack in case

but it is risky. but you're out on options in my opinion

maybe a better cook can try though

if you do run it, don't forget quantums on t1

[noble python]

I’ll try

[noble python]

Who gets Quantum?

[umbral belfry]

trina can

[noble python]

And?

[umbral belfry]

that's it. if you want to put quantum on xmaid you could, but you're same speed

the most important cubes is trina quantum, rumani + noah tempering, jack/centi/helm vigor. OR, helm can go on resi to try to boost the cp-gap

[noble python]

Kk

[umbral belfry]

good luck

[noble python]

Fail

[umbral belfry]

alas what lost?

[noble python]

Lost all 3 rounds

[umbral belfry]

jesus 😭

did you watch the fights?

it's good to do so to see what went wrong, i can only make assumptions

[noble python]

Last one isn’t surprising tho bc like you said Indom T Vesti

[umbral belfry]

yeah

[noble python]

I did not

Maybe I should try watch this time

[umbral belfry]

i would suggest that, for future matches too

sorry it didn't work out

you have the units to win, it's just cp was an issue

but for your sync i wouldn't suggest focusing on blanc. building her a bit? yes

[hardy bison]

Did a slight rework, Noah - Jack - Siren - Lib - THelm. Siren stunning the other Noah and me bursting first got me the win. Sadly the CP difference is what's hurting my team against other players with the same team.

[umbral belfry]

i'm going to assume rosa nuked rumani + noah, and t2 might've just been bc of cp-gap possibly

cp-gap is a cruel mistress

[umbral belfry]

wait didn't they have a siren themselves? you shouldn't be putting p1 noah vs them

[umbral belfry]

your vesti got indom. but that's still surprising

how much ammo do you have?

[noble python]

Rumani and Noah nuked then rest die T2 holds up a bit but then all but T Vesti die who then has to take a 1v5 and then dies

[hardy bison]

I did and I burst first before she gets stunned by the other Siren.

[umbral belfry]

vs siren you want jackal at p1 100%. once you're 2rl, she'll be stunning a jackal who already bursted. your noah is safe

now if you're cp-gapped then

[noble python]

T Vesti has 20 Ammo

[umbral belfry]

[tribal hollow]

It's so beautiful. Vigor cube on Emilia clutched, amazing call

[umbral belfry]

and atk? your ammo is good

[umbral belfry]

we did it chat

[tribal hollow]

Bonus Ra-stun-zel win

[noble python]

69117 Atk

[hardy bison]

I see, I'll do that next time, thanks for the help

[umbral belfry]

no, your atk. as in do you have atk rolls in your OLs?

[noble python]

I do not

[umbral belfry]

thats one of the problems then

but, that's okay. that will come in time but i do 100% recommend atk rolls on vesti

[noble python]

Kk

[umbral belfry]

still sorry it didn't work out though. i would suggest:

• building blanc (she comes in clutch)
• getting atk rolls on vesti

[noble python]

Will do

[umbral belfry]

i do think your c3 is beatable, you just lack the cp rn

you'll get em next time

[noble python]

Ty

Maybe we should have looked at C4 or C5 idk

[umbral belfry]

perhaps

got too excited LMAO

[noble python]

Lol

[worn ridge]

Whats the best cube for this kind of situation ? my lib always burst but once she tried to burst and died without bursting

[umbral belfry]

what in gods name is that top team

if i'm forced to use your team (pls don't indom lib isn't the greatest at all imo) , vigor on emi to confirm lib indom.

but i wouldn't use this team at all 😭

you want a linked in p1 for more burst gen

is that a p2 wind

tbh you could just scar rh jack

also another problem you're cooked from cp

[worn ridge]

My scar is trash

[spiral onyx]

I was thinking ... What if SW Rebuild turns out to be a RL and ends up as PvP meta?
Blast from the past?
https://youtu.be/GbB06aO2Qow?si=bwk3wDVylYTAGWTb

[umbral belfry]

[worn ridge]

I just need her to burst its burst wipe em instantly

[umbral belfry]

how bad we talking

[worn ridge]

The problem is she is always close to die

[umbral belfry]

the fact that there's a p2 unprotected xanne makes me instantly use vesti to deny their full burst

[umbral belfry]

you're an unbuffed lib on a pretty big cp-deficit. your stats decrease bc of it. i'm not surprised lib fails to nuke bc of those 2 things

or, your lib goes off, but then she dies before your nuke lands. assuming that happens, her nuke now hits like a wet noodle

either way, the odds are against you

[worn ridge]

I just got her after 3 years

[umbral belfry]

oh 😭

even if your vesti is built, your next challenge is cp-gap

if you're still cp-gapped = don't attempt imo

they got a privaty stun with your team's name on it

[tulip quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EqixLz0Whc

WOOOOO

Predictions all wrong LOL

This is Keripo just saying

[umbral belfry]

i couldn't tell

[tulip quest]

It's Kinda funny like Him and Zero making predictions

BUT ALL WRONG LOL well most wrong

XD

[umbral belfry]

i always believed in my goat moran

[worn ridge]

Yeah but i alredy beat him like 8 times

[tulip quest]

Cinema Ending

[oak hatch]

How is that bad

[umbral belfry]

for what it's worth? not bad at all

yeah this isn't bad. i expected much worse

[worn ridge]

The issue here is always leaving my fcking lib almost dead its like they only target lib

[tulip quest]

Yea Moran is Goated I also predicted it will win cause u know Moran + Mana insurance

[umbral belfry]

i mean there's not a crit to be seen, but not bad

i never was a fan of indom lib so by default i'm already

[tulip quest]

Indom lib is weird biscuit wrecks it

also moran

[umbral belfry]

i'm just not a fan of ST indoms outside of ada

[umbral belfry]

and there is indeed a moran on the other team

alongside cp gap

[worn ridge]

I mean i tried once against. His moran/anne and then their whole team above 20% health

[umbral belfry]

again this does not surprise me

unless you're cp-gapped out the booty, your scar should be enough

[oak hatch]

Just need attack on the arms tho idk if I’ll get it before next ca

[umbral belfry]

next roll trust

[oak hatch]

Do I just forget about the attack and reroll the ammo %

Feel like that’s more important for dmg

[tulip quest]

ATK more important for PVP Scarlet

[umbral belfry]

your ammo should be low enough to ignore siren. i would either aim atk or crit

[tulip quest]

Focus atk brotha unless u wanna use her also for pve Like I do

[umbral belfry]

[oak hatch]

Alright I focus attack then

Tho I only have 20 ammo rn, losing out on potentially 12 ammo

[umbral belfry]

i think the only bad thing about that is losing stacks on her

i'm comfy at 31 ammo

[oak hatch]

Well ever since I lost to some Rosanna at 70k cp I just felt somethings wrong with my build

[umbral belfry]

rosa vs what variation of scar

[coarse lake]

nothing stopping you from running doro blanc sw nuke rn

[tulip quest]

Moran + CP gap XD I HATE to play vs that

[umbral belfry]

bc if rosa doesn't die from scar counters, scar has a high chance of getting nuked

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

did you see 20 ammo Scar dodge technology

[tulip quest]

Scar always almost die vs Rosa

Rosa winrate if good team is like 80%

[umbral belfry]

i do enjoy watching my rosa nuke scars

attacking sg rosa? yeah it was 😭

im not surprised. sg say 'you got this' @ rosa as they sacc

and then rosa got it

even if she did baby dmg. nayu helped

you hate to see it

1% holding on for dear life 😭

[oak hatch]

So it’s normal to lose there? Even more ammo won’t save?

[hollow hamlet]

Thank you, this worked well, I'm ~17% deficit but beat him 3 of 5 times. And then beat him in SPA.

[umbral belfry]

with sg rosa nayu? it depends big time on rosa not dying from counters. bc sgs are gonna be gone quick from their own counters as you see

but if rosa does live to either nuke scar and/or down enough, their nayu will clean up

and then that's a loss

[oak hatch]

So attack% will help there more as compared to ammo right

For stronger counters

[umbral belfry]

yes

but counters is still rng so

you may counter a lot, you may not

[oak hatch]

Ye I understand, just wanna have the best possible chance at it even if it’s not a good matchup

[umbral belfry]

atk time

[oak hatch]

Somehow been defending always for the last couple cas tho

Being attack is usually better than def?

[umbral belfry]

in ca i prefer being on def for my sgs

[placid bloom]

look at this beautiful 20 ammo Scar dodging rockets

[umbral belfry]

weaved

[oak hatch]

Hmm there’s a tech for 20 ammo scar too?

Maybe I should keep my ammo % then lol

[placid bloom]

require opponent to have specific cs

[oak hatch]

ig not that reliable then

[placid bloom]

it's just funny

you can randomly lose if your cs too good and opponent Scar is ammo bricked

[coarse lake]

20 ammo also loses you a stack

[oak hatch]

If the rockets landed here would they even do anything? I mean it’s coming from the supports I assume they barely do anything

[placid bloom]

you lose a stack but your opponent lose 1 RL speed, fair trade

[coarse lake]

yeah you have to run b1 buffer like rh, and rely on dodging to slow their blockers

[oak hatch]

Oh their burst gen is cooked tho

[placid bloom]

yeah went from 2RL to 3RL

[umbral belfry]

31 ammo scar = comfy

[fast nest]

It seems 18%+CS can be dodged by no ammo option scarlet.

[gritty ridge]

32 ammo scar

[placid bloom]

I believe 15% cs can be dodged by Scar in p3-5

at 20 ammo

[fast nest]

disgusting

[placid bloom]

18 cs should land

should be just fast enough to land before she reloads

[fast nest]

Launchers shoot 14~16 frame before landing.

I saw p2 18cs noah didn't hit no ammo Scarlet.
and Noah shoot her beam around 114f when Scarlet used the last ammo.

[unique mountain]

Just get it from recruitment thread

[placid bloom]

well it is very specific timing anyway, they have to shoot while Scar is on 0/20 or 1/20

if they are just slightly too fast or slow they will change aim

[fast nest]

So, it means that people who have used no ammo scarlet already knew this and use this kind of situation on purpose. right?

[umbral belfry]

i improved my scar ammo from 20 to 31 bc i lost a stack

granted atm my scar was very weak think she was also 20ish atk?

at that time at least

[placid bloom]

more like people just have no ammo on initial roll, especially newer players

but the more people roll cs the higher your chance to cheese wins

it's not like it's appealing for them to unroll their cs

[umbral belfry]

as a cs merchant i can confirm this

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Since your description has to be this way, I will assume that you are 67 years old oldman.

[swift mango]

That's pretty good against you under moran buff though.

Maybe if his Nayuta was 4 atk 8 crit and it crited he would win,

Congrats on your champ btw

[umbral belfry]

iirc zero's nayu was p impressive on both atk and crit

but i lost the pic. and am too sleepy to scroll waaay back up to find it

[fast nest]

I remember 4atk 4ele code 4critdmg. all black blue lines..

[umbral belfry]

[spiral onyx]

I actually wonder if it's a pure investment diff

[fast nest]

Question. How did your T4 wipe Moran?

[spiral onyx]

Remember that all my units are C7, SR15 doll, some Tempering cube, and lots of base stats from recycling room, so I might just have a huge raw stats + DR advantage over most

[spiral onyx]

Probably Rosanna?

[umbral crown]

But if ammo merchant

[umbral belfry]

rosy your vesti has 8!!! ammo!!!

i don't wanna hear it!

[swift mango]

hit rate merchant.

[fast nest]

As you know, Ros already used burst. I think her atk can't suddenly wipe Moran's half of hp

[swift mango]

FR though try to get at least 1 ammo on her.

[fast nest]

I wonder if Nayuta's burst dealt all the dmg on Moran by attention.

[umbral belfry]

he doesn't wanna listen

[umbral crown]

[spiral onyx]

Probably Nayuta then

[umbral crown]

There was a time ahe jad 11-12

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

rosy's one hit (8 ammo) vesti wonder

[spiral onyx]

It's Rosanna > Nayuta > BSoda. All while under auto attacks pressure. It's a lot of damage

[umbral crown]

but she nukes any blanc/noah before they burst

[swift mango]

Remember the time you lose against Nero stall because your Vesti reload mid burst?

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

not if they're safe in p4

[umbral crown]

I kinda nope

[umbral crown]

[spiral onyx]

Also someone figured out why my Noah died so fast previously against SG team. Rosanna stripped Mana of her buff so she couldn't rez Noah

[umbral belfry]

[fast nest]

Ur video showed Rosanna > Nayuta > Noir.
Noir, BSoda, Drake down in order and suddenly Moran exploded.
Only thing I could imagine is Nayuta's successive burst dmg, which was supposed to deal dmg on Blanc Biscuit Cindy, concentrated on Moran by attention.
Or the last Drake's auto + Nayuta's successive burst crit dmg

[spiral onyx]

Activates after landing 10 normal attack(s). Affects 2 enemy units with the highest ATK.

Dispels 5 buffs. Activates 1 time per battle.

No way for me to avoid this

[swift mango]

This was why I stopped using Mana and wait for skill reset but forgot to reset and missed the anni reset and had to bench her for another half year.

[umbral crown]

Then i see my nayuta with 44 atk

[spiral onyx]

She's still valuable in other scenarios, just not anti-SG

The only anti-SGs now would be Biscuit and XSoline but both are used in other teams

Something like Rapunzel ain't enough

[swift mango]

and Cindy too

and makima

[spiral onyx]

I meant for supporting a Noah sorry

[swift mango]

oh okay

[swift mango]

I saw people use New Emma to taunt

[spiral onyx]

Wait, I'm dumb

I can fix this

The team is Moran Lib, Helm Mana Noah

Rosanna strips 2 highest atk

Mana doesn't need to be 2nd highest atk

[swift mango]

Mana skill gives lots of atk

[spiral onyx]

Oh lmao you're right

[swift mango]

need to reset her skill 1

34% atk can be surpassed but 58% is just too much

[spiral onyx]

I'll think more about it after the new units

[umbral belfry]

do we get skill resets for NY? i forget

[swift mango]

ideally Mana want to be 1-10-x I guess.

[swift mango]

We don't, unless SU changed their mind to be generous suddenly.

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

or even 1-1-x if you wanted to use her with MirandaT

[raven plover]

sr15 anne

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-anne-gif-27702303

[fast nest]

It seems Drake's additional hit by 10th shot and 5th shot at skill2 erased Moran.

[spiral onyx]

Damn, Drake OP

And to think I was considering replacing her with XBrid

[umbral crown]

have not you seen a SR15 dolla?

[raven plover]

no

[covert lintel]

Have you ever tried this?

[glad meteor]

Crit build

[covert lintel]

Ignore cube

[umbral crown]

nope, i do not have emma and eunuwha tactical

[umbral crown]

there was a boi who showed that here some months ago

[raven plover]

[covert lintel]

I want to try it but it seems I won't make it in time for building emma and eunhwa

[raven plover]

I will have emmatu next year

unless we dont get the selector

[covert lintel]

Maybe you can still activate LT formation with OG emma?

[raven plover]

idk I never try / bother to read

[quaint anchor]

Scar Trina Helm.T Laplace.T/xMaiden/ClipSG Moran (2RL)

to make this work, do i need SR15/101010 on moran?

[oak hatch]

It would be nice to have but I think it depends more on how much resources u have, mine only at sr5

[worn ridge]

Man how do i beat this ? Rossana should be able to oneshot vesti right ?

[oak hatch]

She doesn’t have any survival issues but I’m also against lower sync players than u

[quaint anchor]

hm i see, i'll probs invest then, i assume others in my bracket probably did

[oak hatch]

Ye can always try it out at sr5 first and see how it goes

7/10/10 should work I guess

[umbral crown]

slow indom... could be a kinda expensive team : Ein/Blanc/HelmT/Red Hood/Jackal assuming ein is linked to get the indom

[oak hatch]

Btw anyone here reroll for maintenance kits on dispatch? Idk if it’s worth it but doll mats have been real scarce

[quaint anchor]

yeah im probs gonna get vesti and work on her before switching my scarlet team over

current team works to keep me top 6 so dont wanna play around with it for now

[umbral crown]

@worn ridge

[quaint anchor]

huge clutch W

[austere gale]

can someone help me build teams for both rookie and sp arena please?

[raven plover]

me since day 1, but yea idk if its worth it I only reroll if I see gems I can dispatch and min 6 items to reroll

[oak hatch]

Thanks I’ll try this method

[austere gale]

@tropic summit

[worn ridge]

That was a smart move , mast clutch

[umbral crown]

mast can be anything

[umbral crown]

rail retired from discord

[austere gale]

noooooo😭

[umbral crown]

he is now enjoying the real life

[austere gale]

if he left, who would help me build a team now

[wild hemlock]

Give you some of my scarlet crit rate if you give me some of those dups you got

[austere gale]

maybe you could help?

[umbral crown]

you can always trust our friendo @keen vapor

[umbral crown]

maybe

[keen vapor]

Supposedly you applied for MA cuz you cook

I can do it but

You were supposed to do so as well

[umbral crown]