pvp-arena

[oak hatch]

how much attack do I go for

1 more line?

Also shouldn’t her s2 be buffed by red hood there

[gritty ridge]

@oak hatch this was my scar v sg in top 16

[oak hatch]

U have jackal keep her alive there tho, mine dead to two shots from somewhere and nayuta cleared her at 1 hp

[gritty ridge]

You dropped to 1hp cuz you didnt kill rosa

You want 40% atk on scar

[oak hatch]

Hmm yeah I guess the Rosa in ur replay died almost instantly

[oak hatch]

Welp rip my rocks

[gritty ridge]

Yeah my scar is fairly well off lol

4 atk 4 crit rate 1 ele 1 ammo

[oak hatch]

Breh that’s basically perfectly rolled

Got to fix her doll too

[oak hatch]

The cr not needed tho right

[gritty ridge]

Thats just a bonus on top, ask @umbral belfry how 0% crit rate scar is

[wild hemlock]

I have 21% cs on all RL's in that team with adju cube. If I take off adju on Trina it makes me slower yeah. Maybe it works out better here though not sure it was so close

[oak hatch]

Gimme those rolls

[gritty ridge]

I worked for these

[oak hatch]

how long

[umbral belfry]

how many frames would you lose going to tempura on trina?

[gritty ridge]

Idk, like a month

[oak hatch]

not bad

[quaint anchor]

what does this yellow lightning icon mean in nikke deck website?

[gritty ridge]

Aim for 4 atk, everything else is secondary

[gritty ridge]

It means the chargespeed breakpoint

[oak hatch]

Ye, thx

[gritty ridge]

For most rl its 15% cs. Vesti is 18%. Sr is 11%

[quaint anchor]

rip getting 18% cs is gonna be rough esp with atk lines

[gritty ridge]

Yeap

And dont forget the ammo

[quaint anchor]

🤮

[placid bloom]

you don't need to worry too much about Vesti cs past 5%

[oak hatch]

Feel like 11% cs a solid stopping point for vesti

[placid bloom]

it's a sub 10 frame diff

if we go by 30fps

[quaint anchor]

seems like if i click that on, i can manage to get 3x 2rl teams going for spa

[gritty ridge]

18% vesti is only for hardcore pvp malding

[gritty ridge]

Youre already at 2.3 rl most likely if vesti cs gets you to 2rl

Youre fast enough to avoid siren b1 at p1

[placid bloom]

there's very few scenarios where you actually lose because of the cs diff between 5 and higher

[gritty ridge]

Its mainly for killing a b1 pre burst

[wild hemlock]

I would need to check later once I'm on my computer

[quaint anchor]

yeah i think i'd be at 2.5RL, i p lan on getting vesti in new years so im just tryna pull up some teams i'll have ready to go

[umbral belfry]

[quaint anchor]

probs will have quantum cube at lvl 13 atp too gonna work on tempering cube after

[gritty ridge]

[wild hemlock]

21% cs Vesti or your pvp team is bricked

[quaint anchor]

tempering cube only at lvl 7 ill probs get it up to lvl 11 and stop there

[fast nest]

Who win? Def Slow cindy(blanc p1 rumani p5) vs Atk Moran noah libby ada

[placid bloom]

you need 21% cs to get Vesti 4th shot off before 2RL B1 casts, otherwise you're getting only 3 shots regardless of if you have 5% cs or 18% cs

[swift mango]

Yeah, her own atk. Whichever buff and OL she has on her at the time, just like all other skills.

[placid bloom]

so the extra cs doesn't matter

it's only a diff of whether you are getting an extra vollet off full indom duration

[quaint anchor]

so you telling me if i simply get 4x black cs lines, i'll be not bricked (along with atk and ammo)

little less than black lines ig since cs calculations are wack

[oak hatch]

Does this mean Noah stunned or not stunned? Mine vesti at 7% cs but if I get to 8% it lowers by 4 frames which lets my Noah go first

[quaint anchor]

so wait before i go back to work what lines would i want for vesti?

18% cs is break point

how many ammo lines do i need? I plan on using vesti only for pvp and no pve

dont know much about vesti

i'll probs end up shooting for the cs break point

[placid bloom]

I mean if they are p2 Mermaid they should just be dying to 4 shot Vesti no? Vesti 4 shot lands before Mermaid stun at 5% cs already, and if they are not p2 they are not gonna be taunted but you can get extra cs if you want to be safe

[fast nest]

Any opinion? Def Slow cindy(blanc p1 rumani p5) vs Atk Moran noah libby ada.

In my case, my vesti has 4atk 3ele code 2 crit dmg 2crit rate 1 cs.

[oak hatch]

I’m just curious if Noah goes before siren if Noah is right on top of the stun line

[gritty ridge]

Nuh uh, depends on your positioning

P4 and p5 take more speed to do what you do in p1-3

[fast nest]

If ur noah can cast burst before 196f ish, then yeah doesnt matter. If not, get stunned for 3sec by p1 or p2 siren.

[oak hatch]

@fast nest but in this picture it shows that siren stun and Noah burst are both at 228 frames so shouldn’t it be before 228?

[fast nest]

Red line is when siren stun the unit.

[placid bloom]

I would rather not have it on the line, sims use 60fps but the game runs at 30fps so you are gambling whether your B2 is given cast priority or the bullet gets stun priority depending how the engine resolves

you should aim to be 3 frame faster

[fast nest]

4f per smg hit. 50hit trigger stun. Siren start to hit from 0f. So 4*(50-1) =196f.

[placid bloom]

on sim

cuz that's closer to 1 frame at 30fps in game

with some room to spare

[oak hatch]

Oh wait yeah I mixed them up because my team was too slow

Nvm then even the cs increase wouldn’t help my Noah there @placid bloom

[wild hemlock]

Technically you only need one 5.51%cs roll or higher, don't actually need the black line. You will need 1-2 more 1% rolls depending on which ones you get though

[placid bloom]

I mean I think the sim does try to round based on 30fps but you can never be too safe

[oak hatch]

Ye better to go before the line but u are right 5% vesti should be solid then so I won’t reroll my lines

[fast nest]

Whatever. Any opinion? Def Slow cindy(blanc p1 rumani p5) vs Atk Moran noah libby ada.

I guess cindy biscuit mihara would be wiped out, but mihara chain would be left.
Moran heal herself and libby heal herself by ada's burst. Would it be enough to endure dmg till blanc's burst end? Or would mihara chain take them all?

[placid bloom]

sim only has even number frames so it is already accounting for 30fps in game, so 2 frame diff should be fast enough

[oak hatch]

I haven’t seen Moran Noah lib lose this matchup even at 2 rl - 2.5 rl, don’t think lib does enough damage to proc biscuit s2 so lib will insta wipe everyone

[fast nest]

That is usually when rumani is at p1. Now p5 so I am curious.

[gaunt pulsar]

if you on attack you triggering his rumani and blanc invul with your helm/lib because his rumani is naked, lib kills the rest at 2rl(actual hit at ~3rl), he is not even gonna start bursting

i dont think his mihara has enough power to kill anything on your side, you also noah protected and he is not gonna last 2 bisc invuls on 1 unit* or be under blanc indom

[fast nest]

In my view, indom gonna be on blanc and rumani because Libby helm would hit rumani, ada noah moran hit blanc. Mihara stack would be on moran libby team. Thanks to moran burst, it may sustain with heal but the problem would be after the full burst. I wonder if moran and libby can endure before blanc indom burst.

[oak hatch]

If u talking about the round 5 matchup, one thing is his blanc seems really weak so maybe u take the blanc to 50% hp enough to proc biscuit?

[umbral belfry]

me with 11 cs vesti but 4 atk

it's a sacrifice I must take

[fast nest]

Yeah. Invul will be triggered on Rumani and blanc both.

[placid bloom]

depends on Moran invest, Mihara DoT usually cannot kill Moran even if the rest of the team is dead

[oak hatch]

Dunno if lib will survive but id say Moran will for sure survive so she can finish the fight against rumani/blanc if it even goes that far

[placid bloom]

she has triple heal at low HP

and she has scaling def

[fast nest]

Yeah. The problem is that moran investment is low. just skill investment(7 7 10) + SR5. Damn I found I didnt use ada.

[oak hatch]

That’s pretty solid tbh, u also have her limit broken so she got extra stats

[nimble venture]

Hello! I need new teams for SP Arena since my team building sucks for PvP and I'm stuck on Diamond 2. Here are my nikke. I have everyone but S. Elegg and B. Abe. Don't have some favorite items (like Tove's). I'm working on building S. Dorothy, Siren, and the new AZX crew rn.

Here are some pics just so you know my top nikke

[shell hazel]

copycats I wonder who would win

[umbral belfry]

me

I would win

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/she-aint-wrong-roman-alexander-over-me-song-shes-right-she-is-correct-gif-25144469

in the end Hime always wins

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[nimble venture]

I am once again calling for the aid of the PvP people, as it is reset soon

[radiant coral]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-lock-in-nah-id-win-amenathus-gif-1889648742143147519

[quaint anchor]

That Korean union name is crazy

[gaunt pulsar]

#pvp-arena message check pins, as you have almost all of the nikke

[dense kindle]

I believe

Which matchups are the questionable ones

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

t1, t2, t5

I should win t3 and likely t4

well t4 also depends on mihara not trolling

but t3 is a win

but there's hope

[dense kindle]

Time to go see and pretend I know what I’m looking at

[nimble venture]

I'll try with the teams there. My brain just has trouble with replacing nikke when they in another team, which is why I asked. I always worry that replacing a nikke due to being in another team will mess up the comp somehow

Also, what's rl?

[gritty ridge]

Rl is the speed, 2rl is best, 3rl is mid, everything else is usually bad

Lomarion is right tho, you have the invests to run pinned teams

You can run replacements through me as needed

[nimble venture]

Thank you. I'll make the teams and see how it goes now

[wild hemlock]

Whynotboth

[umbral belfry]

bc I want high ele too

I can't have high atk high ele and high cs all at once

not without saccing ammo

[lone sequoia]

perfect balanced vesti... probably cs-crit rate for ele if pve value but looks really good (need higher ammo tier)

[wild hemlock]

Ammo is ok I think it's 18 ammo. 2 more ammo would be neat but doesn't actually matter majority of the time the fights already over before I even shoot that much

[umbral belfry]

yeah I'm at 18 ammo

but I'm not 12/12

but also I don't wanna go back to reroll hell so

[wild hemlock]

Yeah I want to reroll the crit into ele and try for a higher ele roll on the other one but it's 3 rocks a roll and I think getting other things on other units is better spent rocks

[lone sequoia]

you need like 2 blue lines for 20 (?

[umbral belfry]

anyone got blue lines I can borrow

[umbral belfry]

that's why I'm paused on minmaxing vesti. my sgs needs love

[wild hemlock]

Well the blabla cs% for pvp is not accurate. I actually have 21%cs but blabla shows 20%

[lone sequoia]

only low tier 12 here; bad luck

[umbral belfry]

baby sgs...

one day they'll grow big and strong

[lone sequoia]

it is fine... b2 p1 can skip siren in 2RL if you need 2 shots

[wild hemlock]

I just finished min maxing my shotguns actually. Well I don't have much ele but I got my noir and drake to have more atk than my rossanna and all my sgs have x4 atk rolls. I might minmax nayuta more though she basically only has x4 atk

Have almost no ele rolls on sg team

[umbral belfry]

just make sure to be careful and don't make nayu too high atk so she gets

[lone sequoia]

i'm trying to get 1k rocks again, after the rocks lib ate for 1 ele and diesel scam... i don't want to use my resources

[umbral belfry]

oh nvm you have 4x atk on sgs

[wild hemlock]

Won't be a problem all sgs have x4 atk and ros as well is pumped

[lone sequoia]

you already fixed the mirror? how is your rosanna?

xd

need more crit rate, ammo and ele is fine, DEF help a bit

[umbral belfry]

one day I too will have strong sgs

[wild hemlock]

But I did do the math on all my sgs just to make sure they had more atk than ross

[umbral belfry]

[wild hemlock]

Think it's fine tbh. I don't think I've ever lost a match with my sg and been like man I win this if ros crits. Feel like that's never the issue

[lone sequoia]

that happen often if lb0... but i'm not sure because most people who play CA have bad units and don't play pvp

[wild hemlock]

Idk how worth ele is on nayuta though. Like it's good obv but not sure if it's worth a bunch of rocks to get like x4 atk x4 ele

[umbral belfry]

I got 4 ele bc I know I'm using her in pve so

4 ele and 4 atk

[wild hemlock]

Makes sense

[lone sequoia]

for pvp? almost none... but for pve is great, still you want your nayuta to work in campaign/pve so a normal build is fine

[umbral belfry]

[wild hemlock]

How much atk do people go for on mihara. Surely 43% atk is good or is it worth to min max it more

[umbral belfry]

I think mihara wants high atk overall for pve purposes

as for the exact %, idk. I personally end up stopping at 10%+ rolls

[wild hemlock]

I recently fixed my mihara atk was only x3 atk before . My slow cindy been losing a ton so wanted to see if that would help

[umbral belfry]

[lone sequoia]

all you can get+ dupes

[umbral belfry]

alas

[wild hemlock]

I'm conflicted on maxing doll on her ngl feels kind of counter productive

[lone sequoia]

i go for 1 copy

my dmg test in CA was like... c3 is the sweet spot for dupes (for my units against other max core units)

[lone sequoia]

for her DoT or sacc? you can change positions if you use her in pvp

[wild hemlock]

I only care about pvp

[lone sequoia]

against some teams she will not die, it doesn't matter

just get the stats boost and check positions

[wild hemlock]

I know the setups but I haven't maxed doll on her yet cause it felt like it might not be ideal depending

[lone sequoia]

i do that or i used to with my SGs

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-spongebob-gif-6081957

[lone sequoia]

a weaker p2 was better if p1 can still get the aggro and make a RL team lose burst gen

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

hime help me take out only one

[umbral belfry]

no

[hollow lagoon]

[lone sequoia]

but if you use mihara in a cindy comp you have to understand that mihara DoT is just a safe against some teams, cindy will kill most of the teams

[umbral belfry]

I'm but a pvp g o o nette, nothing I can do

[hollow lagoon]

i died in ca nothing to do

[lone sequoia]

enter the time chamber for next CA

[hollow lagoon]

ill just run my previous set

[elder harbor]

does anyone know the current meta teams for both arena modes?

[oak hatch]

How should this be calculated? I only checked the attack on stat page before

[wild hemlock]

Multiply your atk by your total atk overloads and add that to your atk stat to figure out your actual total atk

[oak hatch]

Thanks, does this apply to every character?

[wild hemlock]

I don't see why it wouldn't. The overloads don't update the main stat screen unfortunately

[oak hatch]

Ohhh I always thought they increased the stats

[swift mango]

Well, you actually want to hit before 2rl B2 not b1.

[placid bloom]

if you have chance to kill B1 it's fine but I think it's not realistic

[shell hazel]

Rail

[oak hatch]

Btw even if nayuta has highest atk, does rosa target her if there are two attackers on the team?

[shell hazel]

doko?

[formal quiver]

rosa in mirror is almost always stripped cuz s2. ig if nobody dies before that time shes not but unlikely

and ig some ppl run scar rosa

[gaunt pulsar]

it doesn't have to be attacker, attacker condition is only for burst, and even there she still can attack others if there not enough attackers

[hollow lagoon]

sad only one spanking me noises

[oak hatch]

Does that mean sgs are more likely to be dispelled since they get huge attack buff from Drake?

[gaunt pulsar]

doubt you will see such massive speed difference where one sg team gets drake buffs and other one only on rosa burst yea, like Painless said, her dispel isn't on burst, so this doesn't even apply to what i was talking

[wild hemlock]

Nah Ros skill 1 activates really early into the fight. As long as other sgs have more atk you're good

[formal quiver]

it's after 3 volleys no? I don't think attackers getting hit last that long

unless you have p1 nayu vs p5 nayu

[wild hemlock]

1.6secs into the fight. So you got bigger problems if your dying before 1.6sec

[oak hatch]

Okay welp guess I’m forced to build my sg team properly now

[wild hemlock]

As long as your sgs have more atk than your Ross you're fine

[gaunt pulsar]

his nayuta has more invest and attack than his sg, so she probably gets dispelled at p5 on def tmrw

[formal quiver]

don't think I've seen a SG mirror where they're not dead that fast

[oak hatch]

Rosa too, I’m double cooked

[wild hemlock]

[umbral belfry]

@heavy hearth you may want to reconsider the cheer bc the pie gang thinks cup wins

[open jewel]

Does treasure Laplace or ice Maiden have better burst gen?

[oak hatch]

Laplace

[shell hazel]

you can see this for yourself on https://nikke-deck.web.app/ if you just put an empty team and add each one on their own

[gritty ridge]

For her debuff yes

[shell hazel]

bigboi send Rail

[wild hemlock]

Unfortunately I can't view the replay anymore but I'm pretty positive my ros did not get debuffed here. But I was on defense so he started P1 anyways

[formal quiver]

idk I just don't see a world where an attacker lives 3 volleys

must have some really weak sgs on both sides

[gritty ridge]

What if he hates me and doesnt wanna talk to his former student

[shell hazel]

no it would never be true

[gritty ridge]

I can cook, but I dont have the motivation to fill rail's shoes

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-honkai-star-rail-star-rail-rice-fried-rice-gif-15126117275146411567

this could be you ^

[umbral belfry]

@short moon please bless me for tomorrow

[short moon]

the wall is high :x

i almost got dPX :C 2/5 fights

[umbral belfry]

may the rng gods be kind to me

and may I hopefully avenge u

[hollow lagoon]

More like you

[vestal wigeon]

what can I do to win round 1 or 2? for round 1 I lose to burst gen speed, but round 2 I just get mauled

[hollow lagoon]

Use ur t1 team to kill their t2

But u might need to to something to stop the siren stun

[gaunt pulsar]

you in deficit on all

[vestal wigeon]

yeah I did try to swap those two teams around and scarlet got stunned right before burst

[hollow lagoon]

Roll u scarlet’s ammo to below 32

[heavy hearth]

Oh man this one is making me anxious. Idk how I could pick all the winners but not all the losers

[vestal wigeon]

I sea, would that make her less prone to being stunned?

[hollow lagoon]

She would reload and dodge stun, ammo would need to be between 27 and 32 I recall

[rich quail]

Avenge us, Hime

[hollow lagoon]

Their t2 is real easy to kill tho

[vestal wigeon]

damn this will be costly to do, I currently have +35 on her in lines

[hollow lagoon]

Just set a unit at position 1 to take the stun and ur good to go

Like jackal

U could die through link tho

[vestal wigeon]

I'll see what I can do

[hollow lagoon]

Have u tried a slow Cindy setup?

[vestal wigeon]

no, I haven't made any other teams with cindy besides this one

is this the positioning you meant?

also, is there any tangible benefit to maxing out the dolls on these units besides the huge cp jumps? like is the def bonus they gain worthwhile or something. I've been mainly reserving upgrades for raid teams

[umbral belfry]

it's p2, stan has rapu vs rumani, so less gen

[umbral belfry]

believe in the pvp g o o nette

[hollow lagoon]

Try scarlet Nayuta Cinderella redhood rosana for science

Wait don’t

I didn’t think it through

[vestal wigeon]

[heavy hearth]

Alright switched to Stan. Hope he loses! 🤞

[hollow lagoon]

I won’t claim this would work but it would be very funny if it did

Scar counters and dies triggering rosana, if Nayuta get stunned she don’t burst but Trina burst anyway

Lib bursts while Nayuta won’t die until post 5rl

[umbral belfry]

(if cup loses blame @formal quiver )

[vestal wigeon]

doesn't lib have a CS threshold for increasing rl? I've been trying to roll her lines for that purpose, currently at 14.75% CS total

[hollow lagoon]

Idk but her cs don’t factor here

[vestal wigeon]

ic

[hollow lagoon]

I like making cursed comps you will find safer stuff else where

[vestal wigeon]

considering the constant CP gap I find myself in, obscure teams is a plus in my eyes

[hollow lagoon]

The funny things u can proceed to use ur t2 on their t1

U feed their jackal resulting in them burst faster on Rosa scarlet but Cindy comp have less feed

[vestal wigeon]

holy sht they got nuked

[hollow lagoon]

So it worked?

[vestal wigeon]

yeah though I didn't see exactly how, it says scarlet has highest damage so I assume she bursted but she died so maybe at the same time as her burst? I need to watch the replay

[hollow lagoon]

No if u bursted then scarlet died

Scarlet’s damage come from the countering

That whole team is rapid fire

[vestal wigeon]

okay yeah scarlet died before B2 even went off, what the hell

I recorded the full thing so skip like a few seconds in for match 2

[hollow lagoon]

Looks like they got countered enough that Nayuta aoe and rosana finished them off

Well another cursed comp for the history books

[vestal wigeon]

this is what the stats looked like

[hollow lagoon]

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

nice one zantatracer!

[quaint anchor]

i thiink i should always use scarlet in my pvp teams

[hollow lagoon]

Take your rightful place when

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-gif-15924925438049872161

[hollow lagoon]

Ur the red name here

[shell hazel]

no I'm not

its not red it's more burgundy

[hollow lagoon]

See I’m color blind I can’t be trusted

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/1PfQUoI6YhI?si=EZAIvXNhagTrItIT

[quaint anchor]

on one of the pinned teams for vesti

Jackal VestiTU xMaiden Blanc LaplaceT

can i just replace xmaiden with emi or does xmaiden serve a specific purpose here (my emi is 101010 with SR15 doll with 5553 equips while maiden isn't as built)

[quick lake]

yes emil works

[quaint anchor]

can't wait to get vesti in new years and finish my pvp teams

just gonna. have to roll 18-19% charge speed for 2RL

[gritty ridge]

New years is my laplace dupe day

Perchance shiftup will be nice and let me get another

[hollow hamlet]

New Years is my Ein day unless there's a better option

Best PVP units I'm missing are Noise, Blanc, and Rumani according to Pyrdwen but Ein is better for tower + MC

[gritty ridge]

Missing noise? Brick

[raven plover]

new years I finally get emmatu

[hollow hamlet]

missing a lot. Pulled a ton for the winter exclusive units and got garbage.

Cocoa dup, Moran dup, D (original), BAlice, MPriv, Rupee, Sora...

[gritty ridge]

Would, all but cocoa

[hollow hamlet]

BAlice? Oooook...

[gritty ridge]

Shes an adult

[hollow hamlet]

Her non-bunny bond story has someone thinking she's a kid so we can get the "don't take candy from strangers" lesson

[gritty ridge]

Listen man, I like em dumb

And iirc she overheard there was candy and asked if she could have some

I read through it again, he doesnt call her a child

[umbral crown]

Same but also missing Eunwha

[raven plover]

fortunately I got her from mold

[umbral crown]

waos

[wild hemlock]

I lose 4 frames

What actually confuses me is that his noise didn't burst until right before my Scarlet hit which implies he has... 0 cs% and not even a quantum. And he has all of those CA wins

[oak hatch]

Think they failed their jackal link so they got burst slower than expected, maiden linked instead of noise there

[wild hemlock]

That would make more sense I actually wasn't paying attention to that

[oak hatch]

Same issue happened to me this ca but with Ada variation

[wild hemlock]

Ok yeah if I assume 15% on all and like 21% on vesti it's around there somewhere

Ok if Noise is linked I lose for sure I think? I'm assuming Trina+Redhood buffed Scarlet can't break though Noise/Bay

But I have no clue

[oak hatch]

Blood told me that in order for bay to block scar here, enemy team needs to have scar+ another feeder like soda/siren which then feeds the team into 2 rl

But this is for ada variation, so I’m not sure, maiden variation is a few frames faster than ada

[wild hemlock]

Idk nikketop here with the enemy having 15% and vesti having 21% with quantum on jackal implies Bay bursts before Scarlet, maybe Bay has a delay on the burst?

Cause it looks like if the link was setup correctly I lose this everytime assuming I don't have enough dmg which I have no clue how much redhood/trina buffed scarlet does to noise/bay

[oak hatch]

Maybe without a second feeder they can still block but not the whole thing

Is scarlets burst one hit only or counts as multiple quick hits?

Whatever the case is, feel like not worth investing more in cs just to try to beat it cuz they’ll probably still win like u said if they set up everything correctly

[wild hemlock]

It's ok I already rerolled my trina cs with 1 rock and now she has 21%cs base so I can just give her tempering

[oak hatch]

Also when I tried increasing cs for Trina on your team from 11 to 21 cs it didn’t lower the frame either

[wild hemlock]

What it def gets lower if you lower it below 21%

[oak hatch]

I remember messing around with some scarlet teams earlier and trying it, lemme check again

[wild hemlock]

It's because my team has full 21% cs so if any one of them go under 21% it's slowed down

[oak hatch]

Ah that makes more sense

[fast nest]

I feel like Scarlet team became useless. It seems almost no use.

[quaint anchor]

my scarlet team almost one shots the other team usually

just need her to burst

[unique mountain]

Rosywaos not rupeewaos

[umbral crown]

[worn ridge]

Bro what's the name of that tool?

[oak hatch]

Why

@wild hemlock btw ur vid makes me wanna change my vote to myself for tomorrow lol

I previously thought I was surely gonna lose because I messed up the jackal link but seeing how ur scar did basically nothing without Trina, I might actually have a chance

[ripe aurora]

Come on now, believe in me believing in you

[oak hatch]

I’m starting to believe

[oak hatch]

U know I might actually get screwed over by soda

What if soda hits my vesti I’m basically cooked if my ada bursts instead

[ripe aurora]

We'll see.
You have 40% chance of that happening.
And you know by using doll mats 40%=0%

[oak hatch]

[umbral belfry]

surely nothing bad will happen during those 4 frames if you use tempura instead

[umbral belfry]

surely he has at least some cs on all those RLs

try to peek in blabla

[wild hemlock]

He did have a max core noise that bursted though, but yeah uh that's an interesting 0 buff scarlet setup

[wild hemlock]

nikketop

[wild hemlock]

Oh we figured it out his jackal link was messed up. His noise wasn't linked

But I already rerolled my Trina with 1 rock and landed the CS I needed so she has 21% cs base now anyways

[oak hatch]

Yeah interesting for sure if I win that round, I’d just need to make sure I can win this so any thoughts?

Won this type of matchup a few times already but this guy has better investment than my previous opponents

[wild hemlock]

Think I'm bad at predictions I get my own predictions wrong all the time. If rumani and blanc get indom you win if cindy lives but I feel like noise buffed cindy burst is going to blow you up

[oak hatch]

Chances are his noise will live at least until burst

[upbeat dock]

I’m new to pvp, only started playing about 2 months ago. I’ve got two SP arena teams that I’m somewhat happy with but my third team is just random leftovers and loses every matchup.
Can i get any recommendations on building that third team? Am i over investing in one of my first two teams, maybe worth shuffling anything?

This is my current lineup.. im willing to invest in PVP units since my arena group are all around my level, so the competition is very even

[oak hatch]

U could add siren to your scarlet team which frees up jackal so that you could make a indom team consisting of her and blanc

[upbeat dock]

That sounds feasible, the main reason why i have jackal in that scarlet team atm is because my scarlet+trine are low investment and died too fast so i tried to increase the survivability with jackal.
Once i get some more investment into scarlet I'll give that a go, thanks.

also, the nikke.top calculator looks amazing, is there some kind of indepth guide that i can watch or read to understand how to best use it?

[oak hatch]

Would be solid making a glass cannon scar team, a Noah Cindy team, and vesti indom

[placid bloom]

Cinderella p1 is no good

most likely you will have to swap Rumani and Jackal if you want to actually make a Blanc team

[upbeat dock]

how are we ensuring indom goes onto the right target? Would you put Vesti up front to tank the damage?

[oak hatch]

Jackal ensures that but u need vesti to be lowest hp of the 2 links

Jackal links with 2 highest attack characters and shares dmg taken with each of them

[placid bloom]

something like this maybe.

not too happy about the Cinderella team but eh

lazy to fix

[upbeat dock]

If only i had more than 7 chances to test teams each day.. well, im currently rank 1 in SP arena, so i don't even get a chance to attack anyone so -2 attempts

[placid bloom]

the Cinderella team gets annihilated by Mermaid though

this better

[upbeat dock]

Are you guys overloading all of SR Anis's gear?

[placid bloom]

I did but you don't have to

she'll get kicked sooner or later

by LapT or someone else as you get a more fleshed out roster

[ivory violet]

If you want to be competitive in champion arena, but I wouldn't rush to overload her you probably havel ike 20 other units you'd rather OL

[oak hatch]

Just put on free teams for ur spa and then hit them back with 1 team at a time to test

I stay rank 2 like that just to test my teams

[placid bloom]

if you had pulls to spare XMaid feeds less than Drake but most likely you're saving the rest of your pulls for NY banners

[oak hatch]

Noise p1 prob not good at his level, dead way too quick

[ivory violet]

Here's what I thought of for more ideas for your teams, the higher the cp the better ofc

[oak hatch]

Just recently got mine to ol gear sr5 and still going down fast

[placid bloom]

well there's different variants you can go with, this one would be around 2.1RL even with 0 cs on Vesti

but you really want taunt priority on Noise which means adjutant cube

but it would have to be at least lv4 I think?

[upbeat dock]

Thanks everyone, I appreciate the tips. I current have all of these characters with 4x OL, and currently working on Scarlet, Cindy and Biscuit with 1-2 pieces OL.

its pretty brutal.. only 1 OL piece per day

[placid bloom]

yeah needs lv4 adjutant or 2% cs on Noah for Noise to have taunt prio

lv1-3 adjutant won't work

and if Noise rolls any cs on her OL then

but I also don't really like Noise prio with Biscuit, it don't make that much sense

unless you are scared of Vesti 4 shot on Noah

[ivory violet]

Oh yeah and just as a heads up, you don't want cinderella in position 1 or 2 because her decoy gives the enemy 1.25x burst gen.

[upbeat dock]

oh snap, didn't realise. I just slapped her there because i assumed she could tank some damage and survive the initial burst

[placid bloom]

p1 is worse because RL shoot p2 and splash p1 + 3 so it's 1.75x

p2 usually okay tbh, most strong people will 2RL regardless of extra gen

[upbeat dock]

Do you guys know if arena groups get any major shuffles? I have noticed that new names do pop up once in a while, but so far everyone in my group is around the 200-240 sync which has been really nice, lots of fairly even competition amongst the top 10 players. Would i eventually get suddenly thrown into a lv400-600 group?

[placid bloom]

well it depends on player retention rate, if too many people quit then you have chance to get shuffled into way older bracket than expected

SEA does have some population issues so can't say you are safe for certain

[upbeat dock]

SEA does seem a lot smaller than global

[placid bloom]

but usually you can expect the shuffle to be players within a few weeks of your account creation time if playerbase is active

if everyone dies off that's when the unfun shuffles happen

[half grail]

How do I attack this guys teams I’m losing the 3rd team now but my 2nd team still good

[noble hatch]

Welcome to PvP. This would be your number one visited website for the next 6 months:
https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/tier-list/

[noble hatch]

TLDR, get'em all. @upbeat dock

[noble hatch]

This is my latest video. You can check them all out in the channel. @upbeat dock

https://youtu.be/k2bNIcc91vM

[gaunt pulsar]

you in 28% deficit on t3, that's a huge stat penalty, how high can you get your cp if you replace your weakest units in t3?

[half grail]

I’m not sure should I show my characters again?

[noble hatch]

Hi, can you please show the video of the match up?

[gaunt pulsar]

#pvp-arena message this still correct?

[half grail]

I usually win when I’m like a level higher

[half grail]

Yes

[noble hatch]

W call, I was thinking how his team lost, his team should win, but if its CP deficit... I suggest replacing your emilia with your best PvP CP

[gaunt pulsar]

how much is something like this? you can tank them with nayuta no problem and they are very slow so you dont really need biscuit protected noah, might as well just bloat your cp higher with better invested units

[tame vessel]

[noble hatch]

Alright I'll let Lomarion handle you. @half grail

Thanks @gaunt pulsar

[half grail]

That’s my cp with that team

[gaunt pulsar]

eh still low, was expecting higher cp jump sec

[stuck hearth]

what is the meta def comp for special arena?

[half grail]

I can try invest more into my characters

I’ll show any updated roster if needed idk how old is that one

[spiral onyx]

There's unfortunately no guides afaik covering frame based timelines for Nikke. Prydwen also generalizes it using the RL system but doesn't go into any details. It's on my topics list though for the PvP 101 video I will (eventually) do

[gaunt pulsar]

you need 1.571.322 for it not to be in deficit which i doubt you could reach, but getting higher still better, you should be able to win this at deficit but you still need strong dps or higher cp for it no to just scratch them
easiest solution is to just nayuta tank at p1 on deficit, she also has ele advantage over his rapu/rh/maxwell so will help kill them, stronger nuke is preferable so it's either cindy in your case or libe, maybe rapi but she is too slow. sbs is better not to be used but i was expecting she would help you reach higher cp

[tiny scroll]

Are there any good guides for Harmony Cubes in PVP? I never seem to know what cubes to use on my teams. All the guides I find online seem outdated or just wrong.

[half grail]

Here’s my updated roster

I didn’t realized how old the other was lol

[spiral onyx]

This is a useful reference for understanding frame based calculators like nikke.top. But in most cases you don't really need to understand how it works under the hood, just the high level and how to use it

[spiral onyx]

Quantum (conditional) > Adjutant (conditional) Tempering > Vigor > whatever

PvP cubes are very different from PvE cubes. PvE is optimizing damage over time. PvP is optimizing timeline and damage during a very small window (e.g. ~5 seconds)

[tiny scroll]

Thanks for the information. Seems like I'm on the right track at least because I mainly do use those cubes you mentioned.

[gaunt pulsar]

maybe something like this still would be low I imagine though

scratch that, drakes gives ammo

, forgot

can try soda instead

[half grail]

Okay I’ll try that lol

All good I lost

[gaunt pulsar]

[half grail]

I’m jus tired of whaling back to catch up to these mf’s lol

[gaunt pulsar]

< back to the cooking school

cp is your bane here, you need at least 1.45kk power i would imagine and his t1 you definitely not touching for a while, just too high

[half grail]

I could attack him if I level up 1 level but Idk if I should buy I’ll just leave it 😂

Fighting for 4th slot but I’ve been maintaining that rank for how long

[gaunt pulsar]

your next cp jump is at 561, could bump you higher, not sure how much though

[half grail]

I’ll just farm missions and stuff

Or I could invest into someone more? Any recommendations? I got 30 blue rocks rn or triple 10 someone

[gaunt pulsar]

nah, leave as it is for now, i wouldn't recommend to go crazy and spend resources just to breach the gap

how much your team cp was at the end anyway?

[gaunt pulsar]

oh, so it was close to 1.45 and still loss

[half grail]

I realized my gear on Soda is 0 but OL’d

[gaunt pulsar]

how is she so high on the list then?

[half grail]

Idk 😂

[gaunt pulsar]

we went from ~56-58% stat penalty to ~35%

[half grail]

Idk if I should level them up or roll better rolls

I’m just looking at Prydwen and maxing out PvP characters

[gaunt pulsar]

nah, gear levels dont matter that much, better to invest in OLing new units imo, at best i usually do lv3 helm/lv2 body/lv2 gloves/lv1 boots for gear, going more is affordable only if you have excess gear exp and dont need to get more OL's for other units

[half grail]

I’ll go check why else pvp characters that needs OL then

I’ll just see if I can reroll better for my SBS, VesTac and my Liberalio

[gaunt pulsar]

from your list all the batteries - rumani, jackal, centi, trina
for tank capabilities to win against those slow pve warriors - moran, noah, bisc, nayuta
for dps - you already have everyone

[gaunt pulsar]

dont invest in sbs for pvp really, imo she is bad at deficit and requires too much buffs to be good also blocked easily and her distributed dmg drives her chances down
vesti tu and lib is definitely a good choice though

[half grail]

I could go Triple 10 the batteries since they low cp, I already got them level 15 doll and level 5 OL geared

They’re mostly at 4/4/4 my jackals like 10/7/7

[gaunt pulsar]

batteries dont need triple 10, just 5 5 5 is enough + ol gear and sr5-sr15 dolls, in rolls on them you looking to have charge speed and thats all, other lines are bonus, the more you have the higher your cp will be
cp is raised based on tier of the roll and amount of those lines on the gear, so triple black line which is 45 total tiers = max cp you can get, but having even 20+ is good enough

[gaunt pulsar]

trina is the only battery that you could have high skill level, rumani and centi dont need them, even 10/7/7 on jackal is overkill
even invest in your units so that no one drives your cp down too much because they missing gear/doll/cube matters far more than small cp jumps that skill levels and gear levels provide

[upbeat dock]

Hey, thanks, I've gone through the pvp stuff on prydwen and nikke.gg many times. I was more so asking about the nikke.top website itself in case anyone had already written up something on how best to interpret the data, specific things to look out for when analyzing a matchup etc.
I'm able to bumble my way through it with my current limited understanding on pvp, but would be cool to see if there was existing writeups.

[half grail]

I’ll try roll CS on them I forgot to check that thanks

[spiral onyx]

One thing missing from Nikke.top is animation delay. For example, your Liberalio may burst before their Scarlet but you still lose because Scarlet has a 0 frame delay while Liberalio has like 50 frames or something like that

This is very critical for units like Noah, Noise, Cinderella, Liberalio

[upbeat dock]

yeh, i noticed that, its happened a few times to me in fights too

I've been playing with the site for a couple of hours now and i have a fairly good idea of what im looking for now

I suppose there's no way to account for OL lines is there, so this is more to map out baseline matchups?

[spiral onyx]

It's a really good tool though for cube analysis, aka figuring out when to use Adjutant vs Quantum vs Tempering

The tool contains charge speed OL drop downs

But there's no damage calculating aspect if that's what you're asking for

You'll have to do the math for that yourself. I have a partial calculator in my PvP spreadsheet but its still very manual and assumes everyone is C7 and full +5 OL gear.

So for 4x ATK OL, you'd just add +0.4 or whatever to the attack multiplier

[upbeat dock]

Yeh, i suppose ammo capacity wouldn't matter since its calcing 1 cycle, but charge speed would affect it right

[spiral onyx]

Ammo capacity really only affects 1) Scarlet if she runs out of ammo before burst and 2) VestiT for timing purposes to make sure she's not wasting valuable time at the start of FB reloading

As long as you have 1-2 max ammo lines on those units, it's fine

And yes, charge speed is the biggest timeline factor. It's the real reason Nikke.top is the "better" calculator compared to Nikke.works

It's like asking "how many steps did you take to finish the race"

Well, you can say on average it takes 500 steps, but Mr 6'7" only took 450 steps while Mr 5'2" took 600 steps

[upbeat dock]

Do you know what this lightning bolt button does? It seems to add a row to the timeline

[spiral onyx]

万能妮姬

I don't know what that means

[upbeat dock]

It translates to All-Rounder Nikke apparently

[spiral onyx]

Unless that's a skill name

[gaunt pulsar]

adds extra energy

[upbeat dock]

Wow, i just realised they even accounted for Jackal's linked target.. you can set it.. quite an impressive tool

[gaunt pulsar]

it's if there discrepancy between tool and actual game

you could add any amount of extra energy to the fight

[upbeat dock]

I see, thanks

Time to figure out what the best cube setup is for my teams now.. I've been slacking on that since they're so hard to unlock

[gaunt pulsar]

top is the frame at which you add energy, bottom - amount

[spiral onyx]

The tool helps a lot in that aspect by letting you see which unit is the bottleneck

[gaunt pulsar]

i wish they had full data on burst though and show what happens after, currently they only show you burst button press but not the actual effect happening, have to collect my own data what frame delay each unit burst has

not the fan that they cut out shots that happen after you reach burst, it still could matter

[upbeat dock]

whats also driving me nuts is getting enough blue RL dolls... so many rocket launchers required and no way to reliably get RL dolls

Is there a way for us to look at other users nikkes to see their OL lines? Any public api?

[spiral onyx]

No unless they have their profile set to public

[upbeat dock]

we can search for other players via shiftspad if they're public?

hmm, this is interesting.. i wonder if anyone has already built something to scrape profiles from blablalink

[gaunt pulsar]

https://enikk.app/player pulls users somehow, but i think they only have top guilds/raider profiles, and no data on their units or any way to access their blablalink accounts info

[spiral onyx]

There exists such tools, but they may not be public

[stuck hearth]

what is the current meta defense comps for SP arena?

[upbeat dock]

Yeh, im looking at blablalink right now and its definitely doable

[spiral onyx]

SR and UR are competitive modes mind you. There's incentive to not publicize all information

[upbeat dock]

we built tools for HSR to pull from hoyolab accounts, an exporter for achievement data and account data

and hoyolab and blablalink seem to be very similar

[gaunt pulsar]

you can pull out units data, people here done it, but they need to have their profiles set to public and link to it, and i'm not sure anyone done it at a scale where they just pull both users list and their nikke

[upbeat dock]

i think it would only be useful if we could attribute a UID to each account, since it seems the blablalink account name can be totally different from the ingame name. That way you can bulk scrape the data, and have it searchable by ingame UID to find profiles of your targets

anyway, something to look into later

[shell hazel]

I already did it totally doable but it depends on blabla settings

if someone is not on blabla = can't do anything

you also can't just find anyone easily at least not in a way that I saw which makes sense, but if union raid is on I can find the blabla profile ids for all union members for any union

privacy settings win in the end as well if someone has hidden their nikkes then no bueno

[spiral onyx]

It only works if the account's Blablah is set to public. You'll get access errors otherwise, as expected

[upbeat dock]

Yeh, as expected, but would still be useful to punch in a uid and see if you get a return

[shell hazel]

uid is not the same as nikke ones it's a level infinite uid

[upbeat dock]

it does seem to show ingame uid when i look at my own account, but its missing on other peoples accounts

but yeh, they also have their own blabla id as well

[shell hazel]

yes but you need their blabla open id or uid to see their profile

it never shows in game uid for other people

as the link is like blabla/shiftypad?uid=thing

which is a base 64 encoded value of their uid but not the same as in-game one, I tested that on my own

didn't yet find a way to browse or find people on in-game uid alone

union raid data seeps out though so I can find any union raid data by union id and then by extension all their members who participated - it's dumb

I can even see what scores everyone got

[hollow lagoon]

Evil hippo being evil

[shell hazel]

always be evil - my slogan

[hollow lagoon]

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chosen-one-you-were-the-chosen-one-gif-7521423

[shell hazel]

no with rail gone it's just chaos and evil now

[quartz rover]

How am I supposed to beat a 2rl scarlet team using jackal

I'll just exploit their 4rl p2 Cindy in their Noah team ig

I hate when people have scarlet and Noah while not having it

I probably can just put jackal in p1 for team 2 as well

Thankfully blanc burst in time

[hollow lagoon]

U can beat 2rl scarlet team with my mana tech

Nayuta redhood mana rest whatever battery

[quartz rover]

Are you just empowering nayuta then reviving her

[hollow lagoon]

Redhood dies then proceed to get ressed to have a field day

[quartz rover]

Ah

[hollow lagoon]

Nayuta can’t die anyway

So while scarlet team’s busy trying to kill Nayuta redhood comes back to b1 b3 and you have jolly dead scarlet

U just have to make sure ur mana is not gonna kill her self on counters

Cuz the goal is to res redhood

In which case if u have jackal left then its perfect

[wind kelp]

Happy holidays or other such things to my fellow pvp'ers😊

[umbral belfry]

@heavy hearth I might be out of ca now but I gotchu

@dense kindle @short moon

it's been an honor

[covert lintel]

8% vote won

[swift mango]

I didn't even vote.
Forgot.

Only 5 mins phew. 🤏

[gritty ridge]

Im out in top 8 again

[wind kelp]

Thanks for the vote reminder, I'm 2 away from full fail 😂

[swift mango]

My best score. If only I got a bit more time...

[heavy hearth]

Oh man you’re my hero! 2 more!

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

You won right?

Merry Christmas everyone

[umbral belfry]

no sir i did not

I lost to the 3 time winner

[shell hazel]

hello redboi

@hollow lagoon found new redtracer

[gritty ridge]

Hello hippo

[shell hazel]

as you're the latest one to be red you get to replace rail

and as his star pupil ofc

[gritty ridge]

Lmao

Im not even as good as eon

[heavy hearth]

What happened to rail?

[gritty ridge]

He gone

[shell hazel]

assassinated

[swift mango]

The greatest Yapper of Arena chat is born.

[heavy hearth]

Too bad he was so helpful

[swift mango]

Just too burnt out by cooking.

[swift mango]

Oh wait, Me too!

[lavish urchin]

actually 5

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango i think i’ll lose tomorrow vesti is facing besti. my sg is weaker. i’ll probably beat team 1 and 5, and if i’m lucky i might win against team 3

[umbral belfry]

[worldly osprey]

i changed my mind. team 3 is a guaranteed loss because noah is in p2. she’ll die before she can even burst

[gritty ridge]

The humble white name lmao

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-clyde-lego-movie-gif-24881860

The Christmas spirit would guide you to winning this!

[quartz vortex]

how this team comp feeling like?

[heavy hearth]

Thoughts on this one?

[swift mango]

1+2 passable
3 pretty shit

[quartz vortex]

3 is filler

[swift mango]

Sorry In advance that if you met the guy on the bottom left I would vote for him. Just because he is the underdog and a whale in my SpA.

[quartz vortex]

do i win this?

[swift mango]

Probably not.

[swift mango]

But you could try. Record the video for science.

[quartz vortex]

whys the reasoning why i wouldnt just curious

[worldly osprey]

i’s fine, all good. since i’m losing tomorrow anyway sure lose in team 3 4. just wait team 1 2 if some lucky

[swift mango]

Didn't believe enough.

[worldly osprey]

that's besti for real

[umbral belfry]

pie wins

if you want I can take a look but iirc ace does

[heavy hearth]

Alrighty I will vote for ace to lose then?

[umbral belfry]

no I think ace wins

but I'll double check when I get a chance, I'm at work (surrounded by doggos)

irl biscuit

[heavy hearth]

Lovely job. You’re my new favourite now that rail is gone ❤️

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/point-gif-2450101530054484962

as one of rails disciples I will let his memory live on

[clear folio]

sus

[umbral belfry]

Ace quick tell @heavy hearth you win

[clear folio]

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

@wild hemlock talking to you must have jinxed me bc now i too lost and made the multi time winner have a chance of winning again

I done fumbled the bag

[swift mango]

@pastel narwhal

But this is our real Besti.

[hybrid fox]

I got rusty after being in safe pvp for so long may I get some help

[umbral belfry]

t1 likely cup

t2 ace

t3 likely ace

t4 likely ace

t5 it's hard to tell if cup is fast enough to have noah block scar, so this can go either way

ace has better odds of winning imo

and ace has very high cs and cup not so much, so maybe t5 can be ace's win

@clear folio there

[clear folio]

[heavy hearth]

Thank you for the analysis. Hopefully you’re right. That dunce frame is so clean

[umbral belfry]

if I'm wrong i think you should blame @clear folio

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-cat-cat-blowing-up-cat-explosion-gif-6096353006687676670

[umbral belfry]

at least a pie wins

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/who-wouldve-thought-not-me-look-at-us-paul-rudd-hot-ones-gif-16080041

[wild hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-wings-hotones-whowouldve-gif-20461815

[umbral belfry]

LMAOOOO

[swift mango]

The Spirit of Christmas is real.

I'm still not pulling in Nikke.

[oak hatch]

@swift mango somehow slow Cindy lost here against faster Cindy, do I just need to work on cindy more?

[swift mango]

Well, it's normal. If you put Cindy p1 you would have won.

Ofc you might lose other match ups lol

[oak hatch]

I’ve won the last couple same matchups but this guy just had better investment on his supports, so if I wanted to win like this i just assume cindy needs to do more dmg right?

[swift mango]

It's unlucky Blanc on Biscuit also.

[gritty ridge]

My slow cindy lost to sg

[swift mango]

It's rare case but could happen. Especially if Midhara p1-5

[gritty ridge]

Ill record it for you

[hybrid fox]

plz send help...? I need some atk team ideas

i forgor how to pvp kek

[gritty ridge]

Attack is case by case, you cant run 1 team and beat everything

[oak hatch]

I don’t think it’s really uncommon for sg nayuta to win slow cindy, I’ve seen it happen for different positioning too, this guy here basically had ur positioning since they skipped p1 cindy

[swift mango]

Could try. 1-2-3

[gritty ridge]

So can rosa not get targeted by mihara

[swift mango]

Yeah, it's normal with B.Soda wipe. Couldn't be helped.

[oak hatch]

Maybe from the replays I watched where cindy lost she didn’t get targeted

[swift mango]

It seems Nayuta offer enough buff for SG to have more chance against Slow Cindy now.

[gritty ridge]

If rosa had been hit by mihara chains I wouldve won that

[swift mango]

Rosa can't be hit by Midhara chain.b

[gritty ridge]

@shiftup this is unfair pls fix

[swift mango]

It's how concealment works

[oak hatch]

So the matchup is in favor of sg nayuta team usually ig

[hybrid fox]

i see Mr. Blood also enjoying the mihaha pvp meta
could team 1 be used as a def

[swift mango]

Not if Cindy not p1.

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna be running blanc rumani p1/2 next season, maybe that will work better

[swift mango]

I doubt it.

[gritty ridge]

Slow cindy bad in spa/rookie

[hybrid fox]

but my mihaha suicided worked awesome as a def before

[oak hatch]

My ca winner in previous ca lost that matchup with p4 cindy p1p2 rumani blanc, all the positioning loseable to sg nayuta i feel like

[nimble venture]

Hello. I came yesterday wanting help with teams in SP. I put together these teams with the pinned message help and I'm not sure if they're good. I know SBS isn't really much in PvP anymore, but idk who else to put with Lib. Any thoughts on the teams?

[oak hatch]

On p4 cindy the sgs kill mihara in p5 and then killed biscuit p3 fast so the invulnerability didn’t work as expected

[gritty ridge]

Swap x.maiden with a clip rl like centi, anis, t.lap, rumani.
Swap centi with noah and sanis with drake or b.soda

Id reccomend trina over blanc

Idr if you have t.bay but if you do, swap sbs for t.bay and put a different clip rl in place of noah for t3

[oak hatch]

Btw does scar soda have a better spread of matchups compared to scar rh? Saw quite a few people running rh change to soda this ca

[gritty ridge]

Scar soda and scar rosa are better than scar rh imo

@nimble venture it'll look something like this

[oak hatch]

May be worth a try next ca then, what’s the best positioning for soda? Full rng in p4 or better in p2?

[gritty ridge]

P2

I would reccomend making her not a link

[oak hatch]

If I run soda it’s prob gonna have to be the anis centi version since I got jackal somewhere else

[gritty ridge]

That should work

Just know its inherently weaker

[oak hatch]

Ye hopefully soda doesn’t die to vesti in p2

[nimble venture]

Unfortunately, my Trina and B. Soda are not invested at all

[swift mango]

Yeah, with BSoda able to wipe, it's harder to keep 3 defenders up and running with just Biscuit. You need to either kill bSoda, run Moran or Nayuta now for better chance.

[nimble venture]

They are in sync, but no good gear

[gritty ridge]

You can use drake over b.soda thats fine, id reccomend getting trina overloaded asap tho

[oak hatch]

Dang pretty hard if they don’t sac soda in the front

[versed mesa]

Why is PVP so stressful

[nimble venture]

Okay. I replaced RH with B. Soda in the Scarlet team and put Noah and Drake on the second team with Noise, Cindy, and Helm. Centi is with Lib team. I don't think putting in Trina or T. Lap would help since they are under invested since I ignored Laplace for a while not realizing she was good and Trina I couldn't get to building.

[umbral belfry]

me when I stress about CA everytime it happens

[fast nest]

But make sure you have enough investment on Scarlet and trina

[noble hatch]

Hahahahaha, totally

[noble hatch]

Thats why its good to have a break and play the mini game AXZ

https://youtu.be/_RUZDChEMGY

[umbral belfry]

are you still in ca jj?

[versed mesa]

Please no I can't for the life of me do well in the mini-game I hate it. I have barely reached above 100k a handful of times, meanwhile there are 5 of my Union members above me at 110-122k

[noble hatch]

Nope, im out T_T

gonna keep playing the minigame till the next CA

[umbral belfry]

[oak hatch]

Yeah I’m working on them, I’m more worried about soda tbh, my Trina usually survives well over the other characters

[umbral belfry]

it's okay we'll get em next time

I got out today so now I can sleep

[noble hatch]

hahaha, I've edit some of my team for next CA. I'll watch the remaining CA and see if theres anymore adjustment to my team.

[umbral belfry]

one day I'll add a shiny star to my frame

[fast nest]

At least you may need to give her SR doll if you dont want to lose at mirror match.

[noble hatch]

Sleep is important, I just got up from 3 hours nap and I took back my 3rd play in the mini game haha

[fast nest]

Soda can die by enemy scarlet's counter. At least SR1 is needed.

[noble hatch]

YES WE WILL! We are the champion, just waiting for our time. haha

Uncrown champion

[umbral belfry]

[noble hatch]

Happy Merry Christmas ♥

[umbral belfry]

well i already had my time, but i will pray for your time one day

[oak hatch]

Yep trying to get her to purple doll rn, I wonder if red hood version or soda version will win in mirror?

[versed mesa]

Is there any strats in deciding your CA teams order, or do you all just wing it, hoping the opponents order matches in your favor, since it is locked in after set up?

[rich ledge]

Long time no see guys does this work?

[umbral belfry]

what I've noticed in scar mirror is that it's heavily reliant on 2 things:

• if they have jackal
• who has the higher cs on rls

[umbral belfry]

elkingjae

[umbral belfry]

put em in 1-5 randomly and pray

[fast nest]

I would say 60% ish of luck for soda team. If soda failed to hit scarlet or trina, then cs part.

[oak hatch]

My ca basically no cs or jackal on scar team

[umbral belfry]

True rng

[oak hatch]

Oh wow that’s pretty good

[umbral belfry]

soda as lone b1 (no jack) seems too risky for me rn imo

that's why I'm ran scar rapu lap

even with tempura my soda either gets close to death or dies in mirrors

and soda dead as lone b1 = gg

I'd personally only run scar soda with jack

[oak hatch]

I was thinking that too when putting her p2 maybe p4 better but idk usually against vesti scar team would lose anyway so may as well try p2

[versed mesa]

I think my very first teams had soda, but not because I thought she was good, she just happened to be one of my highest cp characters when I could enter arena Crazy to me she actually sees play in CA

And I had no clue about how to make teams

I mean I still don't, but I know a bit more than back then

[gritty ridge]

@umbral belfry hear me out

[umbral belfry]

• assuming vesti gets indom yes

• don't think you're 2rl eyeballing it, so you may get stunned

• you'd lose this imo. I would vesti here if she's strong enough to kill blanc preburst

no bigboi my lunch break is over I gotta go back to doggos

[gritty ridge]

Make them make the noises

[umbral belfry]

soda p4 = you no longer 100% stun a noise/noah

okie bye bye

[versed mesa]

What would a basic Soda including team be like?

And does she need specific rolls to make her viable?

[wild hemlock]

Wow my prediction was correct but I may as well have been wrong with how close that was

[oak hatch]

Ig any 2 rl team with insta nuke dps where u are against taunters can be good

[rich ledge]

Thanks for the checking

[oak hatch]

Yeah I assume it’s just cindy or support dif, I also doubted myself in winning that round so in the end I put the vote on my opponent

[umbral belfry]

good job

[oak hatch]

I noticed it always ends up being solo cindy vs cindy in those kinds of matchups so I’ll probably just have to buff up my cindy

[wild hemlock]

4x atk 4x ele or bricked

[wild hemlock]

Just max invest soda and pray (I don't even use soda anymore)

[quick lake]

4 atk soda?

[oak hatch]

Think I also need to throw in a couple crit rolls too

[wild hemlock]

Now you're thinking

Although I do think you really want x4 atk at least if you don't care about pve cindy but you probably should cause she's rly good

[oak hatch]

This seems like it would take a few months to roll

My account basically 4 months old, not even able to perfect 1 Nikke build yet

[wild hemlock]

Don't remember tbh I wish we could see how many rocks our units have used. But like she's been insane in pve and pvp since release after they fixed her bugs so it's pretty worth

[oak hatch]

Ye hoping I can get builds like those one day gonna work on her after I fix my scarlet

[ripe aurora]

Damn, you only really lose lose t3 match up.
T1 and t2 were so close

[wild hemlock]

Well if you're only 4 months in I would just focus on pve tbh

[rich quail]

[wild hemlock]

Or at least only focus on units that are good in pve and pvp if you have them

[oak hatch]

Got scammed out of the cindy win unfortunately or I would have won

[oak hatch]

I’m stuck on black snake in campaign, I have sbs to beat it but can’t work on her because she sucks for PvP

[ripe aurora]

I mean losing to 0% indom Vesti sucks too

[oak hatch]

That’s to be expected tbh I already gave myself the loss for that round when I saw the matchup, only way he loses that matchup is if he mistakenly has less hp on lib so that she gets indom instead

Blanc at 2.5 rl usually can get her burst off against 2 rl scarlet

I really thought I had a chance to win but then I did a last minute vote swap in the middle of the night

[ripe aurora]

Good run either way.
Hopefully next CA we both get further

[oak hatch]

So now I’m all cheers correct and need to get the last two correct

[oak hatch]

Ye hopefully

[ripe aurora]

You got Cindoro side for cheer?

Bracket wise I mean

[oak hatch]

Nah I’m cheering on bottom half rn

[ripe aurora]

Same

[oak hatch]

The dude that beat me probably gonna win

Both whaled out on cores tho so I may be speaking too early

[ripe aurora]

Mint guy from the top bracket is my ch2 btw

That's the first time he got this far

[oak hatch]

Feel like he’s got a pretty lucky start, they have some questionable teams

Ye just took a look at top 64 and they were pretty much all campaign units/teams he went up against

[ripe aurora]

His SpA teams

[radiant coral]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gojo-satoru-yuji-itadori-yuji-gif-1339140502158086600

[oak hatch]

that was the 500k cp u were talking about before

[ripe aurora]

Yup

[oak hatch]

Is ur rank 1 guy in ca too

[ripe aurora]

He's dogshit every time

[oak hatch]

cp gapping in spa then

[ripe aurora]

Last CA he got to the top 32.
His best result

[oak hatch]

[oak hatch]

Did u build up ur soda btw

[ripe aurora]

He is unhinged when guarding ch1 spot.
He spent 4700 gems trying to get back top1 from me two months back

[oak hatch]

Apparently p2 soda better but she takes more damage there

[ripe aurora]

So nobody really snipes him anymore

[oak hatch]

Leviathan behavior

[ripe aurora]

Yeah, I'm trying to get her ca ready

[oak hatch]

Nice I’m building her rn

[ripe aurora]

Mint is whaling harder now it seems

He's 315 while ch1 is "only" 301

[oak hatch]

Probably even 40 sync dif doable since they clueless about PvP teams

[ripe aurora]

But even Mint doesn't goes after spot 1 now

I'm just sitting there in 3, learning ch1's sleep patterns

One day

[oak hatch]

Wtf

How do u learn if u don’t let them attack u

I’d make him spend gems just for fun here and there tbh

[oak hatch]

I probably made my r1 think his def is unstoppable

[fast nest]

I would say that you have to invest SBS in the end for kraken rock farming.

[ripe aurora]

His teams in spa:

[oak hatch]

I’m currently on stage 6 on kraken so just one stage away from max rewards so it’s a small difference, just don’t want to fall behind on PvP investments

[oak hatch]

Too easy

[fast nest]

Nvm if you can reach 6 without sbs.

[ripe aurora]

I mean yeah, but if I take his ch1 now he will bang his head against the wall and eventually learn pvp.
Better delay this for when need arises.
Whole spa bracket in the cold war state right now.
Status quo exists but everyone arming themselves.

[oak hatch]

That’s actually smart u saving us the trouble

[umbral belfry]

you got any soda cores to spare a poor f2p like me

[umbral belfry]

LMAOOOO what dpx did to me

[fast nest]

I would like to use RH instead of soda. Keeping praying every match would be stressful.

[oak hatch]

Maybe don’t need to pray that much with soda in p2?

But she can die easy so that’s also one thing to pray for ig

[fast nest]

who knows

[oak hatch]

I just find it weird that all of a sudden everyone using soda in our bracket

[fast nest]

If my lose is clear, then I will not care for the match anymore. but if there is small chance, then I usually keep caring for it.
This situation is super stressful. For my real life, I gonna skip soda.

[oak hatch]

Relatable. I stayed up very late yesterday just changing my vote because I wasn’t sure of which will win, in the end I barely lost because of investment difference but at least I got my cheer correctly

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/fPZIVPyHtOo?si=vaJOJzlua3QqcVL0

[oak hatch]

Btw if u have time can u take a took at the bottom half of the bracket? Not sure who will win

[wild hemlock]

I'm basically f2p I only get the monthly pass. Got some skins forever ago but haven't gotten any more in years

[oak hatch]

Did u ever buy rocks

[wild hemlock]

Hell no

Thats sky's job

[oak hatch]

I thought uve at least bought some cuz those builds are actually sick

[wild hemlock]

Think it's pretty normal for anyone playing as long as I have which idk how long that is now that I think about it

[umbral belfry]

same trust I promise

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/f2p-sifas-all-stars-love-live-riko-gif-26963144

[fast nest]

It looks hard. It seems sit depends on soda's skillshot at left team.

[oak hatch]

Yep soda be confusing me like crazy

[oak hatch]

They even have mirror matchup in round 2 so I am so lost

[fast nest]

I just gave score to right because he had better doll.

[oak hatch]

Ye ill probably pick him since they have 400k cp advantage, thanks for checking

[fast nest]

that kind of thing is very stressful. If soda stun blanc, then left win. 40% chance.

[versed mesa]

The spooky thing is if your opponent suddenly increases cp a lot and makes large changes to defense teams. Somehow I've managed to work out 2 out of 3 wins in SP Arena, but it keeps getting closer each time. Someone better than me could probably easily find the solution to the puzzle, even with my mismatch of characters with less than optimal lines, but I am small brain

[shell hazel]

just grow big brain it's easy

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-try-okay-stan-marsh-south-park-holiday-special-season21ep03-gif-19429988

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-there-is-no-try-do-star-wars-dont-do-gif-5918158

[versed mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-ned-okily-dokily-gif-4289162988260002514

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/three-finger-salute-good-luck-jennifer-lawrence-katniss-everdeen-hunger-games-gif-7081804921374766481

[quartz rover]

Should I use ice maiden for my defense?

[gritty ridge]

Maybe

[swift mango]

Now

[quartz rover]

She's pretty decent right

[umbral belfry]

yes. a loss in CA = time to sleep until next one

[placid bloom]

me not even participate in CA

[fast nest]

loss in CA = free from getting stress.

[shell hazel]

what is CA?

I died in quals, super chill xmas CA 😄

[versed mesa]

That's my secret captain, I always die in quals

[shell hazel]

it's because your brain needs to be bigger

gotta lock in more

[fast nest]

I need to get out of this stressful cycle after this season.
I felt I better enjoy soloraid.

[placid bloom]

if there is no pilgrim selector in NY then I will give up hope getting Noah forever

[shell hazel]

trick is dw about it

[swift mango]

Use CN copy pasta or last CA winners comp. Remember to invest. Getting pass Qualify is not out of reach.

[versed mesa]

I've been losing weight recently, I feel like it backfired and I lost that weight from my brain more than from my gut

[shell hazel]

I moved to pve more lately - CA is a bit stale now after winning it sometimes, no reason to keep winning it

[gritty ridge]

Still no noah?

[placid bloom]

you think I have good char?

[swift mango]

Get the big star 10 times winners

[shell hazel]

I got my first 3% solo raids recently, and I'm aiming for 0.5% with bigboi assist

[placid bloom]

I gave up aiming for 1%, NA too hard

[fast nest]

10times big star... it is tempting

[shell hazel]

if I get it then I get it, I can't really force it too much rng

[swift mango]

This is why you can't even get to CA

[gritty ridge]

Yes I help you alot

[shell hazel]

personal finance advice appreciated as always 🙂

[placid bloom]

well I got gemmed to 5th so I am not gonna bother

[shell hazel]

should I invest in S&P 500 or go more for all world index trackers?

[placid bloom]

but this guy is going to CA for the first time, maybe after he realize the harsh truth he will stop gemming

[swift mango]

Invested more to CP padding and they won't gem you.

[gritty ridge]

[shell hazel]

that it's super hard to beat the best players and rng plays a large factor? you may be right 😄

[versed mesa]

I'll see what I can do, I'm only focusing on SPA for the gems, just happen to also get to CA everytime incidentally, I also don't either have, or have not built some of the units I see a lot in the winning teams and I don't know how much I would be willing to invest.

[placid bloom]

thing is the guy that gem me is PvE main

so I don't think he will make it out of groups

[shell hazel]

they should be enough to beat right?

[umbral belfry]

lemme in your sp I'll help u out

[shell hazel]

most pve mains don't have pvp stuff invested

[quartz rover]

We ball

[placid bloom]

well he has PvE char but only like half

and some PvP char half invested

[swift mango]

You don't need much pvp stuff to gem someone who doesn't CP padding. And maybe lower level.

[shell hazel]

just smash em with stupid stuff like rosa and soda pve mains won't have them built

[placid bloom]

beating him not the issue, it's just he spend gem for extra attack to hold spot so I

[swift mango]

If you co pad enough he won't be able to break your def. Let him gem.
Get 20 level over him too.

[fast nest]

I started this game to appreciate booba and ass, not to get stressed. I felt something go severely wrong as I play CA.

[placid bloom]

no I can't outsync him, he is PvE main and spend money and I am f2p

[swift mango]

Spending for skin is normal. Spending for core dust is when you lose to them.

[versed mesa]

My main rival clearly has whaled since he suddenly leveled much faster than just normal daily rewards and outpost would allow, but practically never uses gems for extra arena tokens.

[quartz rover]

My vesti very blessi

Wait I need charge speed

[fast nest]

It is ok.

[placid bloom]

no I mean he have more core than me too

[swift mango]

It's fine

[placid bloom]

so he is matched on campaign and have higher CP than me

[versed mesa]

I only tried this game as a goof when I saw that one gif on reddit. That damn Volume jiggle...

[shell hazel]

it's not a game mode you actually play it's all random

[placid bloom]

tbh I just need to pull Noah and I think I am okay

until then

[swift mango]

Start to gem claim. If you guys isn't mug difference in level you could pull out by 20 after 2 years

[shell hazel]

more of a noise fan ngl 😄

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-noise-gif-7413223906284060383

[quartz rover]

Does vesti even need ele damage dealt?

[fast nest]

Yes.

[quartz rover]

She probably oneshots without the boost on wind

[shell hazel]

0 rocks screw you octopus chan!

[fast nest]

No. You cannot without it against P2 p3 noah blanc with high core and investment.

[placid bloom]

maybe after I build AnOS I will get around to rolling cs on my batteries

[glad meteor]

my noise

[placid bloom]

or maybe I will not

I think I rather just work on SR

[glad meteor]

Anis who

[quartz rover]

I've got like 12 cs on vesti and jackal now

[swift mango]

Ayy

[versed mesa]

Just one more week of "LET'S GO AZX"

[quartz rover]

Jk jackal is 17cs

[warm monolith]

Help pls

[quartz rover]

My jackal is faster than light

[wild hemlock]

[umbral belfry]

IKUYO, AZX!!!

[quaint anchor]

this pvp game is serious gotta change my def team again so he spends more gems tryna beat me

[hollow hamlet]

What's a good team to attack: Moran (2LB), EunhwaTU (core+2), VestiTU, EmmaTU (Core+2), THelm (Core+2)?

Person in rookie who was going after me 5x a day is back at it.

Wait,6x, this guy is spending gems on rookie arena I may want a defensive squad too.

[worthy sorrel]

rail is gone?

rip to a legend

[umbral belfry]

rip to my pvp teacher

[worthy sorrel]

[umbral belfry]

back when I was but a lass who knew nothing of pvp

pour one out

[worthy sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/monyetguru-pour-one-out-regular-show-mordecai-rigby-gif-26736212

[keen vapor]

[broken quest]

can the defense list that is pinned be used for attack teams?

also what level of investment should those units have? Where to check?

[keen vapor]

You can do it blindly, or ask us

[keen vapor]

@gritty ridge Either you do your idea or it'll be someone else

[broken quest]

So you can't just use the standard defence teams from pin?

[keen vapor]

Like, asking what to use against [Enemy team]

[keen vapor]

You can

[broken quest]

I think I know which team beats which, but haven't updated my teams in a while. So i'd like to know on which 3 teams to work on rn.

and my teams ain't beating much these days, i'm stuck in top 13-8

[keen vapor]

include a Vesti team

Vesti is the besti

[broken quest]

Najs, wait I'll send my current teams

[keen vapor]

Vesti tactical up

[gritty ridge]

Ive since given up on it, anyone else is more than welcome

[hollow hamlet]

Is Moran-Noah-THelm-TVesti-RH better than Nayuta-TVesti-THelm-RH-Jackal?

[broken quest]

obviously, i heard she was good in pvp when she came out. also I just got her recently so it works out

[keen vapor]

Ask us

[keen vapor]

Tell me would have worked procrastinate on it

[gritty ridge]

My bad

[keen vapor]

Well maybe
What are you doing though

[livid fossil]

Someone have a good team for 1v1?

[keen vapor]

So, rookie?

[hollow hamlet]

Right now being attacked 6x (at least first day) by someone with a team I posted earlier, I want a good defense.

[quaint anchor]

i've. been changing every time he beats me now and it takes him at least two tries to beat me

he spent like 300 gems just today to be back into same pl ace within 40 minutes

[keen vapor]

Try the Moran Noah team mentioned

Don't expect to ever be unbeatable on rookie tho, unless you whale 100 levels

[quaint anchor]

just use scarlet rosanna trina team, but give scarlet like 47% atk like me

[livid fossil]

Noah is one of the only pilgrims I dont have

[keen vapor]

constantly making him gem

[keen vapor]

doomed

[quaint anchor]

ngl past week i've spent a loto f gems too i think i sp ent like 600-700 gems this week, it's not about 300 gem gain, but about breaking his will for future

[livid fossil]

For some reason they put me in the top 9, and I cant kill those guys that are like 60 levels or more ahead of me

[keen vapor]

Just give him a job, he won't be able to attack back

[quaint anchor]

my cindy team is like fully charged by 136F according to nikke.top

[broken quest]

Yo, I got the teams on the right side.

[keen vapor]

cool

[quaint anchor]

lib is just right at 2RL, and scarlet team is like fully charged at 150f