pvp-arena

[worldly osprey]

i’ve been running scar-soda since the first CA season, and even before that i was already using her before trina existed. so yeah, i know about placing soda in p2. but a nikke only receives one taunt effect at a time. so the first beam will guaranteed-stun the taunter, and the other one will be random

i did upload a clip and ask why sometimes only one person gets stunned by soda, sometimes both noise and noah, and sometimes just one of the two in this discord - but that was a long time ago.

[umbral belfry]

well, if it ever happens again by all means feel free to ping me

[formal quiver]

hime doesn't believe it until she sees it

[umbral belfry]

2d just out here rage baiting 😭

[worldly osprey]

if i run into it again i’ll record a clip and show you

[umbral belfry]

[gray grotto]

maybe you can ask @swift mango ? he mention this before: #pvp-arena message

[worldly osprey]

i asked twice - once here and once in another discord (the one with mod skins). when i asked here, i think blood was the one who answered. and when i asked over there, delusion replied

[gray grotto]

hold on i have example from very old CA but both my noise and noah did get stunned like blood said, i don't think 2nd stun is random?

[worldly osprey]

that random on the second taunt

for example, if the taunter is in p1 then the first beam will always hit p1, and the second beam will be random from p1 to p5.
if there are two taunters, it still works the same way because a nikke only receives one taunt effect at a time

[gray grotto]

ok nvm i get what u mean

[cunning crown]

Brutal

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

This you could @worthy knoll if you wanted a more certified reply.

I said before that Noise+Noah both stunned now after an update few months ago. Before it was only one + one random.

---

About you think one nikke only getting taunt by one taunter. You could use S.Anis and see if her s2 hit both taunters.

[cunning nacelle]

Is there any new team to set for defense for SP Arena?

Just wanna set and leave it be for abit haha

[worldly osprey]

i’ve fought moran–noah with sanis before, and sanis s2 hit noah plus the other nikke with the highest atk. but it’s been a long time since i last used sanis so i’m not sure if the mechanic has changed or not

that y i said a nikke only receives one taunt effect at a time

[swift mango]

Yeah, try it again in Rookie.

[worldly osprey]

i’ll test it again tomorrow

[swift mango]

It's easily to check, just find a rookie with Noah+Noise, then put you S.Anis p1-2.

[worthy knoll]

It changed on whatever update prior to this date. The debuff taunt stacks with each other now causing for Soda to stun both if she was taunted by both of them

[worldly osprey]

yeah i know. but i already used all 5 tickets today

[swift mango]

Yeah, I did tested with 10 ticketed and posted video here around that time and we also @you for that. But now Hydra needed you to be convinced.

[swift mango]

And thanks.

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

What about P3 soda against Moran+Noah, I not sure about this one.
I think both got hit but not sure.

[worthy knoll]

P3? It depends when Soda bursts

[swift mango]

After Noah?

[worthy knoll]

Then both will get hit

Attract always had been stacking with each other.. well more like it becomes a separate group of target

[swift mango]

How about p2 2rl Soda against 2rl Moran+Noah?

[worthy knoll]

It depends if Moran burst first than Soda or not

[swift mango]

What if exactly same time.

[worthy knoll]

That idk, it prolly depends on the CS of each side

Noah at least surely gets stunned

[swift mango]

Both 2rl with 0 CS.

[worthy knoll]

While Moran, if Moran clicked first then Moran Noah stunned but if Soda clicked first then its random Noah stunned

[swift mango]

[worthy knoll]

Then most likely Random Noah

[worldly osprey]

i got out-meta’d by the very nikke i’ve been using all this time

[swift mango]

[worldly osprey]

but did u check cs of noise vs noah yet ? if noise noah have same cs and p1 p2 so they might get both stun

[worthy knoll]

?? CS and position for Noise Noah doesn't matter now

In terms of P1/P2 Soda stun

Both will get stunned as long they are full charging at Soda

[worldly osprey]

@median flare can u put soda/ros in p2 on ur def spa. i wanna test something

[umbral belfry]

so tldr it was a thing before but got fixed a few months ago?

i can't test either bc cp gap

[worthy knoll]

Doesn't need to be Soda

Can use Rosanna too

Place Rosanna P1 against a Noise Noah with an Attacker in it

If Rosanna hits the attacker, then only one debuff taunt works, if it hit both Noise Noah then debuff taunt still stacks with each other

[swift mango]

I mean you could trust Delusion on all Soda related stuff, he is Soda fan and the first guy who use Soda with Scar+Trina in Arena.

[median flare]

done

[worldly osprey]

actually i was using soda even before trina came out. but i guess i’ve been out-meta’d already. my scar–soda team wins most noise–noah or noise/noah solos so i stopped checking replays. i also don’t use sanis anymore. and as for ros, i keep her in p5 so she doesn’t take dmg and lose her s2

[worldly osprey]

[fathom rock]

[worldly osprey]

u right. nikke can get hit by 2 taunt effects at the same time now. don’t care whether noise and noah have a cs gap or not - both of them still get stunned. so noise can’t save noah from getting stunned anymore like before . and i got out-meta’d by the nikke i’ve been using all this time

[worldly osprey]

done. tysm

[wind kelp]

Frame drop 😄

[quartz vortex]

how do you make use of jackals burst?

[placid bloom]

you don't

there's very few characters that benefit from it, like Helm, but Helm's burst is so strong it will overkill anyway

[spiral onyx]

I only got 1 new frame this time lol

[swift mango]

[hollow hamlet]

What does it mean when people say chars are "linked"?

[gaunt pulsar]

it's usually in jackal link context, she shares 2 units hp + herself

[radiant coral]

If one linked unit is supposed to take 12 damage, that will be distributed across evenly between jackal and the other highest attack unit

So each unit including jackal that are linked will take 4 damage

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon

[shell hazel]

damn had to remove rapi for lib for a stage, crazy

[hollow lagoon]

Wot

Just use true dmg

I Laplace and Ein but u should ba able to vesti and Adanow that u have better tru dmg units

[shell hazel]

cp

also it's done, completed there

[torpid kelp]

looking to see if i can make any improvements. did my best w the advice here but would love some input.

[glacial hatch]

Guys i need help

[warm monolith]

@shell hazel still no rail?

[shell hazel]

no

@umbral belfry bring Rail back

[warm monolith]

I hope nothing bad happened to him tbh

[umbral belfry]

no

let the lad rest

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/capisce-owl-blink-tilt-head-huh-gif-8545571037777365101

[shell hazel]

oh I know that isn't true because

he's taking break from being pvp-arena main support in discord prob 😄

[warm monolith]

Phew,at least hes okay tbh

[shell hazel]

ah yeah I wasn't worried there I think it's just hard work trying to help everyone in this channel when not many do

[umbral belfry]

yeah just let him chill for a bit

[warm monolith]

Yeah,i understand

He was doing this for 25/7 lol

[placid bloom]

no chilling, there is mandatory daily erp session

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

the team leader cannot duck their duty

Daily 150 gem

should've been Noah

[shell hazel]

jackal gimme you skin

[rough aspen]

Just get Noah's cores with the silver mileage

[lone sequoia]

new treasures in a month

[shell hazel]

iku yo AZX

[warm monolith]

I still wonder why shift up made Bay's treasure only heal allies and not her why shift up

The only L in shift up history

[lone sequoia]

too broken in early fights and the ones that last long

almost same lvl as moran

[lone sequoia]

cindy bug they f-cked the damage after that

[glacial hatch]

I need help beating this person in sp arena

[warm monolith]

I know she is the best heal obviously but still wanted her to be broken more

[warm monolith]

A bug would give us some compensation at least(if im not wrong we got one?)

[quartz vortex]

am i just weak or am i facing swipers?

[lone sequoia]

remember that she didn't have a heal and that thing fixed the dupes issue for team comps

[warm monolith]

Ik,im tryna fully memorize Bay's kit rn:D

I am so glad she heals now tho

[lone sequoia]

both probably, just check cp to play in range and avoid penalty

you still can play in penalty but there is a range for some units to work, same for some comps

[quartz vortex]

average cp 800-900+

[lone sequoia]

the compensation was to make the bug official and keep it, her damage supposed to be half of what it is now, she got the charge dmg bug that boost skills dmg and her burst did double, they didn't want to fix her so they decided to keep the bug; the next new units got a dmg boost just to make for the new "DPS standard"

[warm monolith]

Damn,i was kinda unaware that time:(

[placid bloom]

check their number of skins, that's usually good indicator of whether they spend

if they have low skin count then check their campaign progress

[gritty ridge]

The cp suck, I cany test this

[placid bloom]

maybe you are just behind in progression and you level slower

other indicator is their pilgrim core count

if they have high pilgrim cores then they are also big spender

[shell hazel]

[quartz vortex]

whats considered high numbers of skins?

20-30?

[gritty ridge]

[gritty ridge]

602

[warm monolith]

Can anyone help pls?

[lone sequoia]

depends in the account creation date, for some more than 100skins is a whale others around 20~50

[quartz vortex]

i think i might be behind in progression

[gritty ridge]

I have 44

[shell hazel]

[lone sequoia]

i think i have 32 (f2p)+a free scarlet skin

[warm monolith]

Im still looking for a scar skin btw,if anyone could:(

[lone sequoia]

today is the last day?

[warm monolith]

?

[lone sequoia]

for the codes(?

[warm monolith]

Fr? I thought it was for forever

[placid bloom]

if you didn't miss any free skin then just estimate 2-3 skin a month (2 pass, 1 gacha)

from your account creation time

more than that means they also buying shop skins and rerun skins

[lone sequoia]

where is the xmas in the xmas event?

[placid bloom]

but shop skin don't give resource unlike pass and gacha

[quartz vortex]

i wanted that anni crown skin but no crown i didnt get it rip

[placid bloom]

so mainly matters if they are buying pass + gacha to get extra stuff

[shell hazel]

I don't have any skins. f2p like @umbral belfry

[lone sequoia]

you can buy the skins and use them when you get the unit

[quartz vortex]

the question is when

[placid bloom]

[covert lintel]

20rocks spent on harran just to get a joke stat
rng

[placid bloom]

Harran investor

[quartz vortex]

people overload harran? huh

[placid bloom]

believer in the return arc

what would their squad be renamed to

[quartz vortex]

i forgot i had her so didnt use her during the re solo raid rip

[shell hazel]

harran treasure right?

[gritty ridge]

Please

[placid bloom]

she needs a new body entirely

[lone sequoia]

i want xrupee treasure

[quartz vortex]

heretic harran

[shell hazel]

nah I'm sure it's still good

[placid bloom]

Inheretic

[covert lintel]

Reincarnator

[quartz vortex]

so like noah gets indom + regen +invincibility?

surely

[hollow hamlet]

FINALLY GLOVES FOR SIREN with charge damage/attack in lines 1/2.

Anyone want to look at some SPA matchups to offer advice on whether I should try to move up?

[shell hazel]

you need to find Rail 😄

[hollow hamlet]

I'll look in the pizzeria! 😄

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry please can you get me to 34-25 for 102 cd/hour?

[shell hazel]

that's probably sensible

[worldly osprey]

@swift mango

[shell hazel]

0 rocks! I had that on one try :9

I'd swear that every full burst day gives me the same or less than a normal day

[hollow hamlet]

Mine gave me a gem as the bonus double reward, just one gem. No normal bonus award.

[worldly osprey]

i get 1 rock with last quick battle

[shell hazel]

we need to write SU some letters

[hollow hamlet]

What do you say? "This OL grind is anti-fun"?

[nimble swan]

it's ridiculous

i'm tracking my rocks income lately

last month was significantly below mathematically expected average

since this once/week thing came out i'm getting way worse drop rates

[shell hazel]

it sucks but they could improve it

give me some way to slowly gain stuff I'm happy, I prefer 100% boosts than 50% maybe works

[shell hazel]

I was but I stopped, I just decided I'm getting screwed no matter what lol

[nimble swan]

very based

i think every month will be below expected average

58% my ass

[covert lintel]

I'm fine with this if i can get the right stat

I got many rocks just to get trolled when rerolling the stat

[worldly osprey]

how about 6 rocks just get 1 the first line

[grand plaza]

May I ask how much CS Vesti wants?

[hollow hamlet]

Rail said 8%

[shell hazel]

Rail-chan!

https://tenor.com/view/crying-sad-no-tears-gif-6070432

doko Rail-chan

[hollow lagoon]

First attempt no mocking

[shell hazel]

you can do better zanta

I know you can

[hollow lagoon]

I prob can

[hollow hamlet]

What are my chances?

[oak hatch]

T1 1 probably lose, too slow and no stall, t2 also lose ur in cp deficit, t3 win

T1 meaning first pic

[hollow hamlet]

Everyone else is a bigger CP deficit (880k vs 650k) so I chill

[oak hatch]

U can beat this guy tho with the right teams since he’s same sync as u

[oak hatch]

Put jackal on team 2 instead of anis and see if ur still in deficit

U only need to win 2 battles

[hollow hamlet]

Jackal on team 2 gives me 245K CP so still a deficit

[oak hatch]

Nah that’s not deficit

[pallid gate]

how goes diesel alt is? the burst charging is bad?

[oak hatch]

Deficit is like around 15% lower, this is only 14%

[hollow hamlet]

hmmm if I tried that would I put Jackal at p5?

[oak hatch]

P1 should be fine ur 2 rl so siren wont stun in time

[oak hatch]

Might need to make team 3 a bit faster

Actually nvm 3 rl vs 3 rl there u should win it

[hollow hamlet]

The Moran-Trina-Cindy team? I have Ada and Centi...

But lose a bunch of CP unless I swap out Trina

[oak hatch]

U can drop ur Cindy team and skip his scarlet team, vesti vs vesti, nayuta vs nayuta

Does ur helm have her skill 3 treasure

[hollow hamlet]

Yup

[oak hatch]

Jackal, nayuta, helm, centi, rh against his team 2
Noah biscuit vesti Trina siren against his team 1

[oak hatch]

Did u win it

[hollow hamlet]

Yes

Thank you 🙂

[oak hatch]

biscuit dead fast maybe switch Trina and her position next time

[hollow hamlet]

Yeah, I was surprised. I'll try the swap and use it when he tries to take ch 4 back.

[oak hatch]

But Trina also prob dead quick they both need dolls badly

[hollow hamlet]

I need so many RL dolls it's not funny.

I had tons of them at one point, and then got Cindy/VestiTU/Jackal/Noah in a short period of time

[oak hatch]

What happens when u get too lucky

[hollow hamlet]

I asked this in questions but I have the SR doll selector, the main high level chars I have without an SR doll are Siren, VestiTU, Liberalio, and PVP only Jackal/Noah, thoughts?

the only DPS there is really Liberalio but I don't use her in campaign much yet, still in 31 so not a lot of wind enemies

[oak hatch]

Enrichedhippo told me to select rocket dolls mostly when my account was a bit newer cuz there so many rl characters so u can also do that if u wanna invest hard in PvP

Possibly vesti since she’s op for pvp and campaign

[hollow hamlet]

She's great against fire weak mobs but not sure how many of them there are post-31

[oak hatch]

She’s amazing overall for any mob stage, she only struggles on boss stages

[hollow hamlet]

Yeah I was leaning that way. Siren would really benefit from CP, I'm using RapiRH as my B1 just because of that, but someday I'll get hers too

[oak hatch]

Yeah just wait to get those dolls from rng and choose the rl dolls from selector

[hollow hamlet]

Wow Vesti with SR15 doll is now my second highest CP unit after Cindy...

[oak hatch]

good, she’s top 1 dps in PvP

[hollow hamlet]

I'm pretty happy with my PVP units, wish I had Scarlet though, that nuke is something else

[oak hatch]

Ye scarlet is op too can pair her with ur Trina once u get her

[spare nimbus]

would this win?

[gritty ridge]

Maybe

T2 looks sus

[spare nimbus]

team 2 was so close

[gaunt pulsar]

33 and 34 is full wind weak, also you could use her on MC, she is good to invest, not sure i would open box with doll just for that though, unless you have a few laying around, was talking about lib in that context*

[tardy bone]

What is the best shotgun team?

[vapid lake]

theres one guy in my rookie arena bracket that keep scopying all my def team cooks

Unfortunately for him i know how to beat all of my own teams

[ripe aurora]

Could be that bummed by just you is better than being bummed by whole server 🤷‍♂️

[mint kite]

What happens if the player I'm trying to attack changes their team before I press "Start Battle"?

[hollow hamlet]

Thanks, by the time I get there hopefully I'll have an SR doll for Siren and Liberalio

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

[shell hazel]

iku yo AZX!

[vapid lake]

[shell hazel]

oh man that song whilst I was in MC recently 😄

[covert lintel]

エイ ゼット エックス

[umbral crown]

hai

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

[vapid lake]

[cunning crown]

[quick lake]

The big 102/h

[shell hazel]

verily!

I thought I was going to get stuck on 33 hard boss 33-34 but retro gave me a tip to beat the crystal shoulders with - vesti lmao

still the fight was pure chaos, nikkes died, I had little control of much, but made it work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpROLLo2mKY

[covert lintel]

New meta screenwipe
*Still no brid in the nikke deck or work

[umbral crown]

The wheel

I would never

[umbral crown]

Whats does brid do

The new one

[covert lintel]

630% screenwipe when entering full burst

[umbral crown]

B2?

I uave to read her kit

[shell hazel]

she's not clip SG though

[umbral crown]

Waos

[covert lintel]

Just think of mpriv as brid

[umbral crown]

might be bricked, no gold tix and no jims to pull

[shell hazel]

get wheelin!

🐋

[umbral crown]

but but

[shell hazel]

no buts, wheel!

[umbral crown]

[rich quail]

Do it for her

Do it for Brid

[umbral crown]

[hollow hamlet]

To counter Scarlet/Trina/Centi/RH/VJackal, I'm thinking of using Rosanna to counter Scarlet's nuke. What about Cindy/DrakeT/Rosanna/Liberalio/Bay?

[umbral belfry]

you're extremely dead due to being too slow and you're feeding them with sg and rosa

in order to beat that team you need to match their speed (2rl) with your own bay or noah

@umbral crown stop

[umbral crown]

Imagine not able to see the besto shieldo in action

[rich quail]

I was hoping Shifty Up would ‘ship Noah and Neon

[spiral onyx]

It's ok, thanks to her sacrifice we will get Noah Kai and she will be glorious and save PvP

[umbral crown]

waos

that would be op

[raven plover]

you indom brid?

[terse flume]

I've just started trying to seriously update my arena teams and I found this site from here, but I don't understand these 2 icons.
That lightning icon on rumani and the book icon on Emilia that also when clicked changes to 8%, 16%, or 25%

I clicked the info icon on upper right and it just says S10 for the book icon. Does it mean if i have max s10 on her? And does 8%, 16%, 25% means her charge speed?

For the lightning icon, I assume I click that mark to mark that I have achieved charge speed of at least15% for RL or at least 11% for SR, is that right?

What I'm actually trying to do is copy this SP arena defense deck from a jp channel but I don't know what does icons mean

[umbral crown]

one of the first things yuo need to keep in mind before copying someones cook is asking yourself: do i have the same investments to get the same results? if nop, then you need to work with what you have cuz the thing is not having the unit but the investment

to get a better idea you can Start sending your nikkes,at nikke tab on lobby, in-game settings > nearby > horizonal if on mobile and sort by power only.

[umbral crown]

yeah, S 10 means the unit already have it and the lighting icon means 18% or higher but if you wanna get more details yuo can use the site called: nikke.top

[terse flume]

Got it, screenshotting now
Also I started NIKKE since it's release date, around week 1 or 2

[umbral crown]

waos

here you get more info around when you burst and also you can put enemy team

[terse flume]

My currently equipped and levelled charas, I got all NIKKEs in the game but the other nikke past summer anchor is ungeared unlevelled

Yes I didnt gear nor level Rumani, Trina, nor the new Vesti bcs I didn't know their pvp meta now

[radiant coral]

I’m thinking that’s meant to be a placeholder for the new brid

And the indom won’t be active since brid will be bursting

[terse flume]

also forgot to ss but I also have makima but barely geared and unused bcs i thought she fell out of meta at some point

And here's my current very outdated sp arena def team

[raven plover]

yea Im confused if xbrid busting what blanc doing

[radiant coral]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-head-scratch-hm-hmm-gif-9190273016569542229

[spare nimbus]

does mihara tick still do damage while noah shield is up?

[radiant coral]

Moral support

All damage are negated

So ticks won’t do anything

[spare nimbus]

so would this work?

I wanna make sure rumani gets stunned incase mihara doesn't die fast enough, that's why viper is there

[terse flume]

btw my aim is just to make an atk and def team that can generally win most matches to stay in my top 10 bcs currently im kicked out of top 10

[jagged mesa]

he did it !!

proud of you osprey, if ur in here

[radiant coral]

Take it back and change your defense

[jagged mesa]

i got a brand new noah to play with

this defense is literally like 4 months old

@placid monolith is that you

[hollow hamlet]

Persistence is an admirable quality

[timber cliff]

can anyone help me build a good pvp comp?

i have been playing this game for a year

and still hasn't understand jack sht about pvp

pleas anyone?

[covert lintel]

If i get so many def stat on her, i might do it

I'll put her in p5

[radiant coral]

It would, but with treasured viper, you’re bursting much later with Noah

If that’s intentional go for that slow Cindy team, go for it

But defense wise you want her protection asap

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woody-toy-story-sora-kh3-kh-gif-27223516

[jagged mesa]

im reviewing my SPA teams, anybody know what the * signifies

[quick lake]

quantum cube needed

[jagged mesa]

ah

assuming level 7 too right

[jagged mesa]

noah doll not going well

[rose meadow]

Anyone knows new Brid burst gen ?

[wise horizon]

I tried this a few times and it worked but it doesn’t anymore. Any advice? @tropic summit

[radiant coral]

Basically a regular shotgun unit

[noble hatch]

You must ask Master Keripo

[tribal nebula]

Hello Rheax, I'm getting back to you because after two days, the results aren't good; two or three different guys manage to take me out of second place every day... Before, there was only one

[covert lintel]

until lv9
It's crazy

[clear depot]

Damn, those arena brackets where you are, d3ad as f, that's so boring pvp style xd

[tulip quest]

Keripo rarely answers and I mean rarely he kinda busy always

[shell hazel]

we already know anyway, it's just normal SG not clip

[tulip quest]

Focus pvp ? skip PVP AND PVE? Fire Raid SG meta 1 copy at least

[hollow lagoon]

i have done it, the one comp to rule them all, 3 comps super safe and easy, 1 maldy and 1 comp semi-maldy

[covert lintel]

Her skill that is similar to drake doesn't generate burst?

[tulip quest]

Bruh it's maldier to people who don't have core 7 n stuff

[hollow lagoon]

[tulip quest]

Tho the mechanic is pretty easy this time

[hollow lagoon]

ye

[tulip quest]

just need damage nuf to kill parts

even no heal comps viable

people tested diesel pvp btw?

is she good?

[covert lintel]

Skipping this SR just to build her

Hope i can get it to 10710 by the time ca start

[shell hazel]

nice stuff I will be mocking some stuff in a bit, not sure if today, but I want my 3% again 😄

I'll dm you when I do

[tulip quest]

????? wut is harran for?

[shell hazel]

behe waiting room

[covert lintel]

Just screenwipe

[tulip quest]

don't we have Meta screen wipers ady?

[vapid lake]

[tulip quest]

Meme worthy

[marble saddle]

Finally got 9% CS on My Testi
had to change to Adjutant cube tho

once i get more CS ill change cube back to Resil

[keen vapor]

We will never recover redtracer

[shell hazel]

[marble saddle]

hes in a better place now

no longer has to deal with our shit

[keen vapor]

Yup

[tulip quest]

He quit?

[marble saddle]

Dunno. He was playing the game last I saw. Just not coming here

[tulip quest]

maybe busy IRL

[marble saddle]

Maybe.

[tulip quest]

Prolly vacation to country side or somethin

or 24/7 Holiday work cause more pay 🙂

[hollow lagoon]

It’s up to

@marble saddle his student

To carry the burden

[marble saddle]

Bro be smoking that blunt.

[hollow lagoon]

Yo zlaw u gotta set people straight gotta warn them my comps are cursed and run at their peril

[marble saddle]

So basically tell em to copy you.

[hollow lagoon]

No tell them if they copy me there’s no clue what will happen

Let me check the rail tracer

Mm he was on 2 hours ago

[swift mango]

My closest claim.

[swift mango]

They will be champ

[unique wagon]

Is XBrid used iN CA replacing Poli?

[lone sequoia]

SG is SG, you can use her if you want

CA have been a dead mode for couple seasons, not even good for cheer

[unique wagon]

but she is a better Poli

[lone sequoia]

NA league 1 is full of mirror match from CN guys and 0 good (interesting) teams

[lone sequoia]

naa, she is just a "better" mari, if you need her nuke at b2 it should work, the team doesn't work after full burst, poli have chances to win after burst with her indom... but both are the same

i prefer viper or poli just to cover elements, or you use iron/wind for p1~p5

now... for team building against some teams... it should be better than poli like against bay comps or a slow lib (high elemental dmg or just rosanna+b2 nuke) if you burst faster than enemy noah, but in most teams is always the same; strong SGs to kill with cheap dmg

[glad meteor]

They do different things

Poli can tank on one side

[keen vapor]

My closest is past limit

[keen vapor]

Why we replace burst 2 every time

[glad meteor]

Only vipers exists as a b2 clip sg, and her kit is not good for pvp

Theres also product 23. A rare

[tulip quest]

Living THE EDGE

[fathom rock]

Vesti looking good, considering what to do with last few slots

Ele for splash or more crit or 1 more ammo

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

16 second pass the limits, so : 🧱

[placid bloom]

the resource gen tick once per min so it is safe until 24:00:59

this one still too early

[swift mango]

You think I have more chance getting any line 3 locking 1, than 1 rock until line 3 then lock for another CS?

[lone sequoia]

2 ele and reroll ammo for 2 black lines

[fathom rock]

That's just diabolical

[lone sequoia]

20 ammo is a good spot for vesti

[placid bloom]

pretty sure you will waste more rock trying to get cs again after getting line 3

than just double temp lock and fish line 3

[swift mango]

This 2 lines has been plague my Jackal CP for months.

[fathom rock]

I'll just use bastion now that I think bout it

I have a 17 mag

[strong hull]

Blood Kun

[fathom rock]

That's 20 after 1 bastion proc

And 23 after 2nd proc so prolly fine
Safer to get 18 mag by roll%

[swift mango]

[lone sequoia]

balanced vesti better than full CA vesti, you can still tank her with neutral dmg build, because for that build you also need really strong sub-dps- emi/laplace

[strong hull]

[fathom rock]

Then I'll get 3 ele thanks

[lone sequoia]

time to reroll for cs-def-ele

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hmm-pepehmm-table-council-gif-16396395487368552941

[lone sequoia]

why 3? 2 is good enough for pve/pvp

[fathom rock]

2 ele 1 crit

[swift mango]

I mean, any line 2-3 would do

[fathom rock]

Or even better 2 ele and get her cs to 18

[lone sequoia]

i need def+ammo to finish my jackal

[fathom rock]

My jackal has black atk and ele it's so suffering to fix her...

[swift mango]

Jackal only need CS and 12 lines.

[lone sequoia]

4DEF/CS and 1 ele-atk-chareg damage-ammo

[swift mango]

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

Gimme your jacks.

[lone sequoia]

really good, but need cs (? unless 3 black cs lines

[swift mango]

Nah 15% is fine.

11% already okay

[fathom rock]

3 rock roll for 2nd line or get high value on other lines

[lone sequoia]

it should reach around 21% cs in p5 (?

[fathom rock]

The what

[lone sequoia]

cs cube+position buff

[swift mango]

I mean, look at my Trina.

[fathom rock]

I'll fricking shut up sorry for talking

[swift mango]

She is my highest CP B2. Not counting RH.

I wished that was my Crown.

[fathom rock]

[lone sequoia]

scarlet-laplaceT-helmT in that order

[swift mango]

My crown is all the way here after 100+ rock trying to CP pad her.

[fathom rock]

So many doop

[swift mango]

I remember locking 1+3 then spent 40 rocks but no line 2 dropped.

[fathom rock]

Why cp pad crown

[swift mango]

Campaign.

[fathom rock]

Just accept her naturally

[swift mango]

She got 4 naturally 1 lines.

[fathom rock]

Just get any 3 lines then

Why dahell lock 1+3

If both good just let it be

[swift mango]

Just to get any line 2.

[fathom rock]

Live without it

[swift mango]

Well, no point to regret. I would come back for improving her CP later.

The gap is there.

[strong hull]

I meant

[umbral crown]

[fading ermine]

[eager brook]

What's the consensus for Vesti lines for PvP?

[swift mango]

4 ATK
2-3 Ammo (16-20+)
0 to 4 CS (5-11-15-21) (many prefer 15% or zero)
Crit or Ele

[wind kelp]

And there we go, 5th treasure unit done, not bad on stat side either to kick off.

[oak hatch]

Does going from 5 cs to 11 or 15 affect how quickly u get the first burst

I feel like with 5% cs vesti, sometimes when the site says 2 rl my team speed feels a little slower than 2 rl

[swift mango]

5% her 2nd shot at exactly 2rl.

11% her 2nd shot would make 2RL Noah that's hit 2rl with her 2nd shot ignore Siren stun

15% her 3rd shot would make B2 of the team bursting at her 3rd shot, catch exactly <2rl without CS>' B3. (Same time as Emi 38% 3rd shot)

21% her 3rd shot at exactly 2rl.

I would say 18% is pretty safe for Vesti 3rd shot, 15% not very safe because everyone that worth a damn in CA and not a whale has some CS in their teams.

[tulip moss]

Can someone help suggest a squad to take this team down? Can’t figure it out. I also don’t have vesti yet.

[swift mango]

Same team but Rapipi instead of Vesti

[tulip moss]

Ok cool. My Rappi is heavily invested in.

[swift mango]

Rapipi without Vigor and HelmT with Vigor to be safe

[oak hatch]

Oh I see, 11% seems pretty big and good stopping point then. For 15% why would that make b2 catch b3 burst? I mean normally if 2 rl vs 2 rl team, both sides use b2 then b3 goes so b2 would already be active?

[swift mango]

15%, 3rd shot isn't at 2rl, slower.

[oak hatch]

So it applies to teams slower than 2 rl burst speed?

[swift mango]

Pseudo 2rl if you must. You see Emi 38% (25+s1max) and Vesti 15% value increased at 2rl in Nikke deck. But actually it's only "close to 2rl"

[tulip moss]

Got em!

[oak hatch]

Ok maybe I’m still not understanding but the scenario where b2 is not able to counter part of b3 is when vesti has the cs boost sign on the deck? For natural 2 rl team without the cs boost sign, b2 already completely counters b3 right?

[swift mango]

Yes.

[oak hatch]

okay i understand now then, tysm

[swift mango]

If you had 5%, it's safe to double Vesti original burst gen without the CS sign. The CS sign triple it.

[shell hazel]

I'm not the only one then who says "yep we just copy that opponent team but change out one unit and it wins?" 😄

[oak hatch]

Thats probably the reason why my burst felt slower than 2 rl since its only “close to 2 rl”

[kindred blade]

What can i improve here?

[swift mango]

Well, we made that Rapipi team together remember?

[oak hatch]

So if I have 5 cs do I not use the cs sign and only use it at 15%?

[glad meteor]

Against vesti, there is no good counter teams

Vesti is op, against indom 2rl, I just mirror with ein

[swift mango]

Yes but if you wanted to be safe, use it at 18%.

At 5%, you could still add Vesti burst gen to double her original value. Math it yourselves

[shell hazel]

I just think sometimes the opponent can do most of your job for you 😄

yep same team beats this + rapi instead of vesti

or in the case of like cindy - vesti is a better cindy for sustained fights

so you can copy + replace cindy with vesti and you prob win

[glad meteor]

Yeah, since most people already put noah in cindy team

[shell hazel]

yup 🙂

[swift mango]

Slow cindy say hi.

[shell hazel]

sure but slow cindy is beatable with a good 2RL lib

or similar nuke that is able to burst it down

[swift mango]

Not really.

CS matter here.

[shell hazel]

5RL cindy blanc etc def can lose to 2RL lib

[swift mango]

Not 4rl version.

[glad meteor]

If cindy p5, she can get biscuit s2 if I’m not mistaken

[swift mango]

I mean 4rl Cindy would always b1 before 2rl Libby even hit.

[shell hazel]

but 2RL scar/trina/RH etc should work in that case

[glad meteor]

Depends on scar s2

[shell hazel]

in SPA you could just focus the other teams anyway and skip the slow cindy altogether

[glad meteor]

I think with vesti teams avaiable, i’d have to hit slow cindy

[swift mango]

ReiT is natural counter to any kind of slow Cindy.

[shell hazel]

not mine, she's naked as the day she was born

will hit like spaghetti

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/lewd-trinity-seven-anime-sign-gif-7407062

[shell hazel]

where's Rail damnit

he'd love this :9

[eager brook]

How does slow Cindy survive a 2RL nuke?

[shell hazel]

she doesn't, not really, if calculated right

[swift mango]

Slow Cindy counter 2rl Scarlet nuke by Midhara dmg while stalling with Rumani+Blanc. 2rl Libby Nuke purely because Libby too slow.

[oak hatch]

@swift mango btw do u know what the purpose of this team is for ca? Ive seen quite a bit of people run it, it’s 3 rl but goes to 2.5 after adding cs to a couple units. I thought it’s for scarlet but it doesn’t seem like bay at 2.5 rl team speed would catch 2 rl scarlet right?

[swift mango]

Just dmg with Vesti and stall with Bay+Noise.

Is used because Moran+Noah in same team.

[oak hatch]

So it still loses to scarlet but counters that specific team?

[swift mango]

There are lots of feeds in CA enough to feed that team to 2rl most the time.

[oak hatch]

Maybe scarlet team brings it to 2rl?

[swift mango]

Scar+Soda make that team to 2rl.

[oak hatch]

[swift mango]

But soda can stun Bay

[unique mountain]

@swift mango halp

[swift mango]

What is it?

[oak hatch]

Scar siren too?

[swift mango]

Yeah

[oak hatch]

Good to know, thx

[eager brook]

Is the team Rumani, Blanc, Biscuit, OS Mihara, Cindy?

[swift mango]

That's the most common team yes.

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel raid yet>?

[shell hazel]

sort of? I'm still playing about

[hollow lagoon]

i think

i'm done

[shell hazel]

bro it's like day 1 lmao

https://tenor.com/view/were-not-done-until-i-say-we-are-not-finished-im-the-boss-listen-to-me-stay-put-gif-14758694

I'm prob aiming for 3% here I had to spend resources on ada etc for MC, so I'm Ok with not beating my previous 2%

[glacial hatch]

I need help beating this person on sp arena

[shell hazel]

is it someone called perhaps @hollow lagoon ?

if so I advise running away

[glacial hatch]

No, not them

Just someone placed in 7th

[shell hazel]

nah @hollow lagoon is only 1st 🙂

[hollow lagoon]

@glacial hatch

why u wanna beat me up

i'm nice doro i dont hurt anyone

[shell hazel]

yeah! zanta never hurt anyone

maybe be less evil 😄

he just spreading fish waifu propaganda not hurting anyone

[hollow lagoon]

[hollow hamlet]

Any ideas on beating this?

[oak hatch]

Do u have noise

U can taunt siren stun with noise so that Noah can burst

[placid bloom]

I think they are just dying to double SG hitting p5

even if we don't include Noah getting stunned

[oak hatch]

Maybe something like this

Can use a different clip rl if u don’t have centi

[hollow hamlet]

No noise. Hmm I may have to switch around squads...

[oak hatch]

Oh it’s not rookie arena

[hollow hamlet]

Yeah it's SPA.

Rookie squad is noah/jackal/vesti/thelm/rh

His other two, I win 2, lose to 3

[oak hatch]

Team 3 is so weak just carried by cp, ur in deficit again like yesterday

Need to make cp a little higher then u can win it

[hollow hamlet]

I know. I can increase CP by OLing armor on Moran, or adding to her doll. Or Anis if I want to OL her. Only so much I can do. Want to see full squad?

[oak hatch]

Can u put in anyone higher cp than anis

[hollow hamlet]

Burst 2 - Bay, MMast, BAde, Naga... a few others but I don't think they're good in PVP (SRosanna, Elegg, EunhwaTU)

Mast has highest CP

[oak hatch]

How does the team cp look like with bay or naga?

[hollow hamlet]

Bay is 4RL so pretty bad

[oak hatch]

Their team is even slower

[hollow hamlet]

Ada instead of Cindy gets me to 3RL...

but I lose a ton of CP

208k CP

[oak hatch]

U can check here to see how to calculate @hollow hamlet if ur in deficit

[hollow hamlet]

285k vs 208k, it's definitely >15%. 25% or so

[oak hatch]

Where is ur Noah btw?

[hollow hamlet]

Noah is in team 1 with Biscuit

Wonder if I swapped Siren (in team 1) with jackal in 2?

[oak hatch]

so u can already win for team 1 and lose to those two?

[hollow hamlet]

sorry, I lost against his team 1 and 3, won against his team 2

[oak hatch]

So why are u leaving Noah on team 1 if u can’t win it

He can help u win against either of those two teams if cp high enough

[hollow hamlet]

I used to win against his team 1, he changed it up. His team 1 looks a bit weaker than team 3.

[oak hatch]

U can probably throw ur Noah biscuit team against his team 3 and win but check cp

Especially since it’s your vesti team, shouldnt be close

[hollow hamlet]

For CP what I could do is shift the noah-biscuit team from 1 to 2, he's 228k and I'm 193k, that's 15.07% deficit, then move Jackal team to team 3, that's 246K vs 285K for 13.6% deficit

[oak hatch]

Yeah that can work, if u want to be safe with cp, u can steal drake or lib from team 3 for ur Noah team

[hollow hamlet]

Who would Drake/Lib sub for, Trina?

[oak hatch]

Can u send the team

[hollow hamlet]

Sure

Noah/Trina/VestiTU/Biscuit/Siren
Jackal/Nayuta/HelmT/Centi/RH
Cindy/Moran/Lib/DrakeT/Anis

moving the order, nobody is past 15.4% deficit

[oak hatch]

Yeah it should work, hopefully siren don’t die

[hollow hamlet]

could move trina to siren's spot but she's even squishier

[oak hatch]

Nah Trina more likely to die but it should be fine

[hollow hamlet]

Siren barely made it but it worked

[oak hatch]

He doesn’t have treasure helm too so that team is also pretty weak

[hollow hamlet]

Yeah that's a weird team, I don't Alice too much in PVP unless it's just a giant CP sponge squad

[oak hatch]

Did Trina die or no

[hollow hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

thank you again

[hollow hamlet]

lemme check hold on

Trina made it. No deaths in either Jackal or Noah-Biscuit teams.

Cindy team didn't kill anything

[oak hatch]

yeah those teams arent really threatening, maybe beef up ur siren a little more to make sure she doesn’t die the next time u hit him

[hollow hamlet]

I finally got gloves for her I got gloves for Noah today too but I think Siren needs the help more.

[oak hatch]

Only if they have sgs in their team, otherwise Noah usually taking most of the damage

[hollow hamlet]

Yeah. I can OL helmet and gloves on Noah, of course as soon as I do I'll probably pull Crown who wants the same gear

[oak hatch]

If that can get u crown then it’s all worth it

[hollow hamlet]

Noah also rolls the best elem lines, she's 45% elem with only legs and torso. Too bad she isn't good in campaign

[wise horizon]

@swift mango are there alternatives teams to beat these teams? Or they are fine?

[oak hatch]

The first one prob won’t win

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel

i'm ded

i'm done

https://tenor.com/view/all-aboard-train-choo-choo-express-locomotive-gif-20501901

[wind kelp]

Hmm, tested out poli/bay/helm/frima/laplace treasure team, they're not quite there yet in rookie arena atleast (going against big teams), even if they do manage to take down 3 of theirs 😄 I doi have to figure out the cubes as well.

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-cat-dead-cat-depressed-cat-laying-gif-11402833644907079653

zanta live reaction

[hollow lagoon]

Me after spending 5+ hours testing comps and then do raid

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-7280845142657635823

[shell hazel]

I bet you got a good score and are just being hard on yourself :p

[hollow lagoon]

I can’t beat my last raid’s score

[gritty ridge]

Hello chat

[hollow lagoon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946719897390563328/1061709301716099133/scarlet.gif

[gritty ridge]

Im scared

[wild drum]

@tropic summit help me i got the core pvp units like you said

[gritty ridge]

He gone

[wild drum]

can u help

[gritty ridge]

Perchance, ill take a look

Ive noticed jackal isnt in synchro

Ok this is rougher than I thought

[shell hazel]

it's a harder boss than last time, less damage I think will get done overall especially if you didn't build all the fire units

[gritty ridge]

No noah and no t.helm

[hollow lagoon]

Looks rough

A biscuit teams and a Blanc team

But then

No Cindy

So box is still dead

No scarlet either

[gritty ridge]

This is what i was thinking but its rough

[shell hazel]

mate where is || bready indom || ?

[warm monolith]

Help pls?

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon looks like I can do maybe 13.8 - 14 atm, I need to mock more stuff and add some more OL to diesel if I can.

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit 😄

[warm monolith]

😦

He isnt back

[shell hazel]

team 1 just mirror it but run vesti instead of cindy.
team 2 it's 2RL scar just run 2RL with bay and some defenders

I'm sure we discussed similar stuff before

[warm monolith]

Probably,thanks for the teams btw,ill try it tomorrow,its currently 3 am:D

So i need to sleep

Also kinda off topic but ill appreciate any Bay fan art

[gritty ridge]

Call me captain ahab

[ionic rose]

anyone know why helm isnt healing after burst?

[vapid lake]

No lifesteal when hitting immune target

Then the rest die before helm can shoot after invul wear off

[ionic rose]

helm's heal is lifesteal???

bruh

[placid bloom]

[vapid lake]

Yes if the dmg number is 0 or immune u dont heal

[ionic rose]

like never heard of a lifesteal effect that distributes over 10 seconds to the entire team....

why bro why

[vapid lake]

$2000usd

[placid bloom]

Helm doesn't distribute, she gives everyone on the team a buff

[zinc lion]

executed again

[placid bloom]

the actual HP share lifestealers are Delta and Rem

[ionic rose]

like when i read this it doesnt look like lifesteal at all, it reads like a rapunzel heal but amount based on atk dmg

[placid bloom]

"Affects all allies" means applies individually to each character

[vapid lake]

Blame shiftup intern AI translator

[placid bloom]

so a shield skill that affects all allies applies separate shield to each character

[ionic rose]

im speechless, no wonder people dont read these days the more they read the dumber they become

[placid bloom]

this one applies lifesteal buff to each character

[ionic rose]

so if everyone except helm gets stunned and helm casts Aegis Cannon only helm gets healed?

[placid bloom]

yes until the others unstun and can attack

[ionic rose]

[vapid lake]

We live in the worst timeline

[ionic rose]

its ok John Titor already changed the worst timeline, which was www3 in 2015, time travelers and spirits are working hard everyday to make our timeline Steins Gate

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel big pain

[vapid lake]

Fr tho dont become like those kids nowadays that cant read or write

[hollow lagoon]

i can add shit to 10

[vapid lake]

The younger generation is cooked beyond saving

[ionic rose]

what was ur best score

[hollow lagoon]

131~

[ionic rose]

thats 131,000 right?

[hollow lagoon]

yes

[ionic rose]

[hollow lagoon]

LETS GO AZX

HAPPINESS FOREVER

MEOW

[ionic rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRXN3kTy6Wg

[hollow lagoon]

i hate it at first but it grew on me

[ionic rose]

[hollow lagoon]

i make the pvp squad proud

my 1 atk/1ele/1ammo modernia lelellele

and my 13% ele vesti

[oak hatch]

Which is the better choice for now?
1: quantum cube from 5-7
2: tempering cube from 3-5 and quantum cube from 5-6

[versed mesa]

I'm sitting at 0.91% currently, but gonna drop so hard later since a lot of people do it on the last few days

[oak hatch]

I get 1 more slot overall from 1 and 2 slots from 2

[ionic rose]

for pvp invest in tempering cube and then vigor cube, quantum cube is for special situations like a shotgun team where 3 quantum cube on your clip shotguns will make it go from 3.5rl to 3 rl so go with option 2

[shell hazel]

eh it seems OK to me lol. I'm at 14.5 but I forgot to include HelmT anywhere. I need to see where I want to use her, some cope as usual

I'm sure I can do a bit better before the end anyway

[hollow lagoon]

no helmT

dis lad's lost it

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

what evil are u running for teams

[oak hatch]

Thanks will go for 2, I heard that it’s good to get quantum to 7 which is why I was considering option 1

[shell hazel]

don't laugh

[hollow lagoon]

right u die hard crown mast fan

[shell hazel]

my alice/lib team did about the same as mast/anchor combo 😄

asukaW because reasons

[hollow lagoon]

alice is not real

its an illusion

[ionic rose]

https://tenor.com/view/ウッーウッーウマウマ-nikke-alice-goddess-of-victory-nikke-メガニケ-gif-2320802918362210249

[wind kelp]

I did 6.5bil by throwing random stuff at the wall, if it's good enough for 10%, it's good enough for me :p

[shell hazel]

is that brid on the crown/rapi team? 😮

[hollow lagoon]

what

anyone who can eat cookies will know it is the superior option

[shell hazel]

curious, I can try it

anyway I'll dm about this rather than consume the pvp channel with solo raid stuff

[onyx scaffold]

@hollow lagoon i overloaded ada for this raid and now she bricks the jackal link

[hollow lagoon]

meanwhile ym highest comp dosnt use her

[onyx scaffold]

i just copy top rank. they use her

[wild drum]

So can anyone help i just ngl 2 teams is fine for just sp arena

[noble hatch]

https://youtu.be/hXxLxtT42jA

[gritty ridge]

Better than me

[ivory violet]

Get your jackal in the synchro device this should do alright for you.

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

@shell hazel gonna prepare new cooks for next week?

we might see people cooking with brid inCA

[onyx scaffold]

my vesti doing as much dmg as asuka

[umbral crown]

is this a good thing

[onyx scaffold]

it means if i had emma and eunhwa

[umbral crown]

the dream

[spiral onyx]

B2 way too heavily contested imo. She has a potential slot as B2 for SG team but Nayuta might still be better

[gritty ridge]

Poli best

[umbral crown]

was also thinking that, people lastly using nayuta there an its giving good results

but wonder if her S2 works without her bursting

or S1

[spiral onyx]

Interesting point

[umbral crown]

if it does she could be in a good team without the needing to burst but since i do not have her can not test that

[spiral onyx]

Bonus damage is bonus damage

[umbral crown]

indeed

everything helps

[zealous gyro]

is there a burst gen calculator somewhere?

[quick lake]

2nd pinned msg

[zealous gyro]

ty

[dark olive]

can someone help me create 3 teams for the special arena?

[umbral crown]

Scarlet/Blanc/Red Hood/Noir/Jackal

Nayuta/Centi/Cinderella/HelmT/Noise

Rapunzel/Siren/SBS/Emilia/Noah

[dark olive]

thanks! should i use these for both offense and defense?

[fickle jetty]

need help to beat this

[oak hatch]

Try Noah biscuit instead of indom

[fickle jetty]

with who else

[oak hatch]

Temperance cube on the first 3

[fickle jetty]

Ok I will try later thanks

[river dune]

What cube for Diesel and Brid?

[stable temple]

@fickle jetty noise noah t.helm xVesti jackal

@river dune they not pvp nikkes.

[river dune]

I know but what should my cube be for them?

[stable temple]

for arena? Charge speed/burst gauge boost for diesel, and reload/burst for Brid, if you have enough slots

I can understand usage of xBrid in some teams, but xDiesel... why?

[oak hatch]

Noah is weak against fire/vesti, biscuit is the safer option here so Noah doesn’t die early

[river dune]

Not arena but in general

I haven't given them a cube yet

[stable temple]

@oak hatch you don't need all nikkes to survive for win

[oak hatch]

If Noah dies he loses

[stable temple]

@oak hatch nope

when xVesti fights against each other, wins one which can maintain alive longer.

[oak hatch]

You have one b2 on that team if Noah dies how else are you going to burst?

[stable temple]

@oak hatch they burst too fast to worry about surviving so early

[wild drum]

are ya sure?

[wild drum]

also what does the percentage mean

[oak hatch]

Not true

[stable temple]

@river dune for pve reload speed just fine or whatever with best stats

[oak hatch]

Noah can die in a few shots to vesti

[ivory violet]

That's how full your burst gen bar is, at 100% your units start bursting. The 2rl, 3rl are the time at which bursts happen

[river dune]

I see ty but this is for both?

[stable temple]

@river dune yeap, reload is universal cube

[stable temple]

I don't see team which I told.

[oak hatch]

lol what difference does your team make? Vesti splashes p1-3 in the first few seconds which doesn’t even give noise even time for damage reduction

[stable temple]

if you don't understand difference what a point to talk then?

[wild drum]

thank you thank you

[wild drum]

wait which of the teams is the strongest so i know which to put against yk the strong against the strong one

[oak hatch]

I just told you the difference. P1-3 wind is weak against vesti, which makes biscuit the better option so Noah gains invulnerability and doesn’t die

[stable temple]

@oak hatch sure, remove your Noah from the team then. Cause you against another xVesti

[oak hatch]

I had Noah in the team.

[oak hatch]

Can you read?

[ivory violet]

If I had to guess it's your ein team that'll be the strongest, but these are for defense mostly but can be used for attack

[stable temple]

by your logic she should die as well

[oak hatch]

lol I explained for the past few minutes about how biscuit keeps Noah alive and you still don’t understand, not my fault

[ivory violet]

If you want, I can look at the teams you want to attack and help you build a team specifically for that too

[stable temple]

sorry I noob on arena, just holding p2 in sp.arena for year+ by miracle chance. Who is biscuit?

and why you need to keep Noise alive btw?

[oak hatch]

They provide 5 seconds invulnerability to defenders such as Noah once they reach 50% hp and heals them up. So Noah is very safe here with biscuit on the team

Which also means for 5 seconds Noah can’t be damaged

[stable temple]

it's was sarcasm, but thx. Try next time against team which I mentioned exactly and not just against someone with Noah.

[oak hatch]

Sure you can keep thinking that, just because a team is 2 rl doesn’t mean everyone will get to burst before they die.

[stable temple]

that team works very well when I need to fight against another fast opponents.

[oak hatch]

Fast against fast doesn’t guarantee you the win, you need to think about which characters you need to counter specific teams

[stable temple]

@oak hatch thelm as burst if you didn't noticed, she will keep xVesti alive till she clean others

your xVesti as burst just die first and whole your team will have zero dps after that

[oak hatch]

You do realize if Noah dies, thelm won’t get to burst?

It doesn’t matter whether vesti or thelm is the main b3 here

[wild drum]

i need a team to attack?

i'm really bad at pvp so id have to ask every day

[stable temple]

she will not die, cause you need for that very strong invested xVesti on one side, and poor invested Noah on another side.

[ivory violet]

Well you can customize your attack a lot more than your defense, but you can keep them the same if you want. The teams I gave you should work well enough

[wild drum]

yeah hopefully to keep diamond 1, and if theres any improvement to the teams what would i do?

[oak hatch]

And you know the opponents ol lines and gear level and whether they invest in CA? How can you guarantee that she won’t die?

[ivory violet]

I'd say get Helm treasure that'd rly help your pvp

She's a player vs everything unit so she'll help your account in general

[stable temple]

never seen even 50% of hp lose on my noah against other xVesti on burst.

[oak hatch]

That’s just you. I’m sure the active players in this chat have seen Noahs die loads of times against vestis initial rockets

[stable temple]

you used moran + rh as example and trying to compare their burst gauge speed against noise + xVesti? Rly?

[oak hatch]

Noah got 3 tapped by vesti there, 2 rl is not saving you.

[stable temple]

try then talk.

[wild drum]

any other units that might change the teams you gave me for pvp?

[ivory violet]

The only other easy one to get is rumani, you'd benefit from having noah, cindy, and siren as options but it's not so easy to pull for them

[wild drum]

and rosanna? i heard she good pvp i thikn

[stable temple]

@oak hatch for old video against few times champion on our server, xVesti vs xVesti. Almost same team as mentioned. Still won.

[oak hatch]

Do you see the timer here, this is faster than 2rl b3 time, even if he makes his team 2 rl, Noah will not survive.

[ivory violet]

Yeah but she's super expensive to build, mostly only pvp mains have her invested

[wild drum]

oh i see... i mean rn i got spare resources and i need to be gemmaxing

diamond 1 rn and hoped i could get challenger.... but then they ave 800k cp and me only max 680k

[wild drum]

ok anyone i should invest in first btw

last question i s wear

[ivory violet]

Well for now it'd be good to get a doll and some overloads on your jackal, she's one of the best pvp units in the game

[oak hatch]

Vesti vs vesti in the finals… I wonder why his Noah couldn’t protect him team even though his team is faster… hmm maybe it’s because speed isn’t everything?

Oh guess what, they also have noise, the combo you were talking about

[stable temple]

I have another experience.

[primal escarp]

Hey so I just got Biscuit. how should i shift this around? this is from a few weeks ago and ive invested abit into the weaker members here

[oak hatch]

Sure you may have a difference experience, PvP depends on investments from both sides and rng. But to have the highest chance of winning you have to think it through and use counters to your opponents teams. Just a fast team alone doesn’t mean it will beat a fast or slower team

[stable temple]

can't share video, rn at least.

[spiral onyx]

His Noise and Noah literally died to the first volley of VestiT rockets lol. Pure investment diff

[ivory violet]

I've seen Noah die from 1 vesti rocket criting it's really funny

[stable temple]

@spiral onyx or cp if it's not from ch. arena.

[spiral onyx]

CP diff is technically also an investment diff... A synchro level investment diff

[oak hatch]

Yep many people invest hard into vesti for the purpose to be able to kill Noahs and blanc, even 2 rl team speed can’t stop that @stable temple

[stable temple]

@spiral onyx but for whole team and not single nikke

[ivory violet]

Could maybe try this, idk how much it hurts your team's cp though

[fast nest]

[primal escarp]

thank you. i will save this for later when ive built her up.

[oak hatch]

I wonder who’s team that is

[stable temple]

2rl / 3rl it's just simplified measure, real gauge values matters.

[oak hatch]

You’re the one going on about being faster to win, I’ve explained it logically that you need specific units to counter against certain teams

[stable temple]

@oak hatch what your position?

[fast nest]

Why is my team there?

[oak hatch]

I was trying to explain to this guy that fast team does not always = win, like your match for example where you don’t even need to burst

[stable temple]

nobody said always actually.

[oak hatch]

This is what you’ve said, which implies you use that team to beat other fast teams

[fast nest]

Okay, when my vesti do crit, noah get oneshoted. Not even 2 shot.

[stable temple]

can you show word always in mesaage?

[fast nest]

In my calculation, if vesti has 4 attack and 3 elemental dmg inc, then she can kill noah at one cycle at any setting(cube and items) and at any core lvl noah has.

[oak hatch]

^^ Noah is very weak against fire as you can see here @stable temple

Also coming from 5x ca winner

[fast nest]

Winning was pure luck.

[oak hatch]

Nahhh 4x in a row is not luck

[stable temple]

still don't see word always

if xVesti one shot Noah, then other Noah can't burst as well and your biscuit will useless

[fast nest]

Yes like this

[oak hatch]

He can one shot Noah here because he has absolute squad which buffs Noah and crit, a well built vesti can 3 tap Noah without absolute squad, in the team toh was fighting it didn’t not have absolute squad meaning vesti will at least get Noah to 50% to activate biscuits invulnerability, making Noah unkillable there due to biscuit

[oak hatch]

Ur vesti is insane lol, mine also killed a blanc vesti team in league battle but i lost due to a mega sync 400 whale

[stable temple]

and what if his xVesti still one shot his Noah? Works not always? Change team then. You said we need always working team.

[oak hatch]

It won’t like I explained… please read. Vesti doesn’t get the tremendous buff in indom team compared to absolute so this argument is invalid here

[fast nest]

(2.66 x 140 x 1.45 +2.9 x 0.224 x (140 x 1.45-25 x 1.37)) x 2.0 x 0.73 x 4 x (1.5 x 0.15+1 x 0.85) = 4078k expected.
assumed Normal vesti comp. max core vesti and 45 atk inc and 70 elemental code, and cube lvl 15.

[stable temple]

you saing xVesti will need always 2 shots at least?

what if 1 will for 49% of noah and next one 50%+ as crit. Still not always.

[oak hatch]

How much vesti can do to wind characters depends on investment, I never said it will always need 2 at least

[stable temple]

you said before what you expected always working team. Your advice was biscuit, still not always.

[oak hatch]

Again, I provided a counter specifically to the team toh showed. Idk why you keep saying always when all I did was explain to you logically that biscuit is needed there so that Noah doesn’t die. You didn’t explain your team with noise at all besides saying that “it’s fast”.

And the team I provided is 2 rl the same as yours but it has a purpose for putting biscuit there instead of noise

[stable temple]

you mentioned always working team before, like I said it. But I didn't. So I guess you expected always working team and applying that condition on self as well.

As you can see team with Biscuit can't guarantee winning too. It's really weird to expect always working teams in pvp actually, but it's was your condition which you applied later.

[oak hatch]

Okay so explain this, your team has no backup b2, noise doesn’t even help keep Noah alive there, what happens when Noah dies? I put a biscuit there against that specific team so that it guarantees that Noah won’t die in that specific match. I never said this team will always work against all teams, idk where you get that from.

[stable temple]

your words. It's first time when word "always" was used in our dialogue.

[oak hatch]

Okay so find me where I said my Noah biscuit team will work against every PvP team please

[fast nest]

In my opinion, using biscuit will almost block threat from xVesti.
I think no one built like me. my setting is abnormal.
I even heard many times why I even invest flora.

[stable temple]

it's your task actually, cause you blamed me on same.

[oak hatch]

As you can see baron also explained why biscuit is better there, that was the main purpose of this discussion

[fast nest]

but In my team composition, if my noah be against xVesti, I let them win.

[oak hatch]

The first team on the bottom is my team, the second on bottom is aroch’s team @fast nest which is better for this matchup?

[stable temple]

still not 100% winning, but you decided to tell for me, like my advice guaranteed it. So maybe will use words more carefully next time?

[fast nest]

There is no answer for arena honestly. It is pure luck. what we can do is trying to distribute resources effectively and pray to win.

[oak hatch]

Idc for your words such as always or whether you care for mine. For this matchup specifically biscuit is better here to ensure Noah has the best chance of survival.

[fast nest]

He may think using biscuit on other team may be more effective in team composition.
Biscuit and noah are very costy units.

[oak hatch]

It is rookie arena

[stable temple]

rockie arena mostly for test, so let player who asked test it for self.

[fast nest]

In rookie arena or SP arena, this is better.
Everyone, grandfather players, will agree on it.

[stable temple]

he can try variants, it's never 100% chances of wins, and I can repeat, it's weird to expect it.

[oak hatch]

Sure, toh already said he will try it, but after you provided an alternative which may not even work and you can’t even explain why it does work in the first place

All your reasoning is is “I’ve experienced it”

[stable temple]

if his noah survive to use burst, and in my experience she survives then no issues to win after that.

[oak hatch]

But why gamble on whether Noah can survive when biscuit can ensure Noah’s survival in that matchup?

Toh was asking for how to win, not how to gamble with Noah

[stable temple]

cause it's rockie arena

why you should be so serious about it?

[oak hatch]

I merely explained my reasoning for that team with logic, you’ve provided nothing valuable here

[stable temple]

do you saing again what your team wins awlays? lol

[fast nest]

idk why this is on fire. It seems someone ask for help for deck. it is better to suggest team comp candidate and go away.
In my opinion, I would like to recommend buying core dust package in cash shop.

[oak hatch]

This match I mean, the bottom should almost always win

[stable temple]

true, frenzy just can't accept alternatives which can works better just by pure investment difference.

[oak hatch]

That’s like providing a random 2 rl team and having it based on investments to win, when you provide help they obviously want a team that can counter the opponent team and not because they have better investment and can use anything they want.

[stable temple]

setting noah in first slot not wise idea, if you want to use that team often

[oak hatch]

Using the same team often isn’t a good idea in the first place, you need to change teams to counter your opponents teams

[stable temple]

in r.arena? Nah. 1 team to win all. No other ways!

[oak hatch]

Sure because you can cp gap your opponents, when many players are around the same cp, 1 team can’t counter everyone

[stable temple]

still works in my case, without gap... probably my server just to lazy to counter attack.

[fast nest]

In my view, the bottom team can depeat the top because blanc burst may be on rumani.
Does it mean the bottom team better? No. it can be countered easily by siren.
There is no invincible team. If your team was depeated, then you have to change.
So, core dust package is the only way.

[oak hatch]

@stable temple Didn’t doubt you anyway… you can see the main reasoning for this discussion is that you said Noah won’t die to vesti due to team speed which I’ve showned that’s not the case when the opponent has a good vesti

[stable temple]

too rare to worry right now

[oak hatch]

Usually stall team with biscuit is good against indom team, the noise variation does not provide better stall so it has a less chance to win

[fast nest]

in my opinion, no. if indom is on xvesti, xvesti with indom win. If she lose, just ammunation issue.

[stable temple]

I'm prefer faster team in r.arena for another reason as well, to make quick battle faster and don't w8 to much result from server.

r.arena nowadays it's boring task against same teams..

and same players.

[oak hatch]

The team with biscuit will have all characters living vs vesti alone in indom while the team with noise can die to vesti early on because nothing to protect Noah, so u can easily see which is the stronger option

[stable temple]

would be nicer if they reshuffle r.arena each season.

[quick lake]

To add on to this:
0LB Defender is about 2800% worth of HP. Noise/Moran Buffed opponents are ~3200%. So Vesti definitely kills regular opponents

[oak hatch]

This just shows that it’s not unusual for Noah to die to vesti, if u can add biscuit to team to keep Noah alive it definitely increases the chances of winning @stable temple

[stable temple]

Noah much easier to Max than xVesti

[stable temple]

just put Noah on p4 then

[quick lake]

On some occasions, like double-invuln-Defender Noah, does Vesti not kill

[stable temple]

really, how long you will discuss it?

[quick lake]

Just some fyi for yall

aite, im out

[oak hatch]

I’m merely explaining why the team works when you’ve said my claim to be false.

[fast nest]

Whatever, my strategy to defend in r.arena and sp.arena is core dust package.
I am dumb, so I adopted easy way. Almost 90 lvl dff

[stable temple]

still biscuit can't taunt and don't help against sirens teams like Noise.

[oak hatch]

Double defender invulnerability is the team I provided too… and aroch thinks his team to be better with 2 defender no invulnerability