pvp-arena

[glad meteor]

Both have pros and cons technically. Xmaid could get indom, but a vesti with more sub dps could kill entire link if p1-3 is linked

[umbral belfry]

thats why you use vigor on xmaid

[glad meteor]

That’s why I use biscuit

[umbral belfry]

but that is why yes

[glad meteor]

Jackal blanc besti bisc helmt what I have been using

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chosen-one-you-were-the-chosen-one-gif-7521423

anyways today's rock was emptied

nayuta lost crit dmg and ammo got hit rate and crit chance

i mean

i do prefer crit rate a bit more

[oak hatch]

Is 4/7/10 the recommended stopping point for Moran skill levels?

[keen vapor]

Sounds good to start

[frozen belfry]

@radiant coral hey? Where you at?!

[radiant coral]

I’ll strike you when you least expect it

[frozen belfry]

Hahaha, I’m getting nervous. I’ve only ever had you attack me.

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/john-cena-im-watching-you-i-am-watching-you-wwe-watch-out-gif-25856329

[radiant coral]

https://tenor.com/view/grave-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-pilgrim-gif-3454342734429788093

I am the underdog

[frozen belfry]

Keep them at bay!

[radiant coral]

I got thrown into the wrong bracket

Just to get jumped

[twilit surge]

lmao what is this guy's problem?

[crystal flicker]

He's sending you a message: "Your Defense is RED"

[twilit surge]

The past week he has just targetted only me lmao

[azure star]

Maybe you won once

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit I broke something inside me I think

[ripe aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-stilgar-fremen-disbelief-gif-12317631084823747336

[vapid lake]

His problem = your face what did u do

[radiant storm]

Am Flabbergasted how Rosanna didn't negate Nayuta's Indom

[umbral belfry]

well tbf there's 2 attackers (mihara + helm). unless your attackers have low atk and nayu has high atk, nayu isnt getting dispelled

[gritty ridge]

Hello hime bo bime

[glossy canyon]

one other question, if you have time, what would be my best rookie team to run based on what i have?

[sweet gorge]

guys i never touch pvp but im now broke in arena vouchers for the first time in years 💀

can someone just help give me like a 'will work for most things' atk/def general team for pvp

assume most units near the top are well invested in skills/ol lines

if i need to ill invest in other units that aren't built pls help guys im BROKKKEEEE

[radiant coral]

Could be trying to get your attention? Check his status

[twilit surge]

Nothing worth noting

[radiant coral]

“It’s nothing personal”

[gritty ridge]

[hollow hamlet]

Could be trying out different formations? He's always losing so who cares

I somehow won against ch 5 (coincidentally the guy who was constantly attacking me a few weeks ago.) Instead of counterattacking me he went straight to ch 2. Dare I?

[trail pond]

these are my current arena def teams can somone help me make better teams

here are all my nikkes but only the few at the top are really invested so power might be a problem for the nikkes lower down (only nikkes till xdiesel have some investment and anything past line three has basically no investment)

[oak hatch]

You can make a scarlet trina team to replace team 1

[trail pond]

what would that team be and are the other 2 teams ok

[tulip quest]

That's Normal if ur the 2nd highest rank cause you give highest points or he just hates ur guts

[oak hatch]

Maybe this

[trail pond]

cp way too low w this team

[oak hatch]

Yeah still a lot of work to be done for your box but building scarlet trina and noise is a must for pvp

Just wait for dolls and progress campaign for now

[trail pond]

anis noise bring team cp way down can it work without noise taunt/healing

[oak hatch]

Yeah u can check the other b1s u have and a good burst gen instead of anis

[hollow hamlet]

FWIW, a few people here helped me build teams with much lower CP than what I had been using, and I'm doing much better in PVP. CP isn't everything.

[oak hatch]

Drake is probably fine to use instead of anis

[trail pond]

yeah but this is around 50% cp deficit for the sp arena I am in

[oak hatch]

Why’d u put the purple doll on poli instead of drake

[trail pond]

early game and had no idea what I was doing

[oak hatch]

But yeah u can try to build a scarlet team for now and use the deck website in the pins to make sure it’s 3 rl or less so it would be solid

[trail pond]

I know this is cope and 3.5 rl but I can't think of anything better rn for a scarlet trina team

[oak hatch]

Ye its fine if cp good enough and better than the previous team

[oak hatch]

If u use drake instead of diesel it would be 3 rl but no doll rip

[trail pond]

still pretty trash cp either way

[oak hatch]

Maybe u can steal characters from ur highest cp team to balance it out

[trail pond]

can't otherwise all teams cp too low bc the other 2 are just barely cutting it as it is

[oak hatch]

Prob just wait it out then since sr is in a few days

[trail pond]

people are coming in with 212k cp teams and I am barely keeping up w 2 170k teams

[trail pond]

will do

[short plaza]

is maiden ice rose a better flex unite than vesti?

[glad meteor]

Not really. Xmaid is just clip sg burst gen + biscuit synergy, vesti is a real threat

[gaunt pulsar]

took way too many attempts but finally found how to deal with 2.6 noah+biscuit without scarlet, siren or biscuit of my own

[glad meteor]

2.6

[raven plover]

vesti flex unit

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summit job is finished, message sent

[eternal sleet]

Anybody got any good counter comp for this Rookie Arena team?

[hollow lagoon]

Poke it with rosana

[tulip quest]

Helm dies but Vesti is a question mark

[hollow lagoon]

[tulip quest]

I think Slow Cindy Mihara good?

[hollow lagoon]

My friend ran dis

[tulip quest]

with blanc

[hollow lagoon]

But ur redhood/helmbetter not be linked

[tulip quest]

hahaha yea

3 carries

[hollow lagoon]

That’s what I would try if I were fighting it yes

But it’s not guranteed to win

[tulip quest]

That comp rarely loses I tried to use that vs Noise, Blanc Rap JACKAL + CARRY team

MIhara DOT IS JUST INSANE IT Cannot be out healed

[hollow lagoon]

The thing is their only b2 is in p1, could honestly try siren it

[tulip quest]

Siren lose

[hollow lagoon]

Oh wait there’s biscuit

[tulip quest]

I think Scarlet Jackal Soda good

[hollow lagoon]

I’m think my salad comp killed a vesti indom

[hollow lagoon]

Their biscuit burst?

[tulip quest]

Hmmm

[hollow lagoon]

If Noah block vesti burst

Blanc don’t indom

Then lib nuke all attackers

Ur left with biscuit and defenders

Ur lib gonna need to live with the jackal link tho

Mm

[tulip quest]

but siren stuns only B3 in 2RL Time

meaning jackal won't be stunned if that is 2 RL his opponent

[hollow lagoon]

Does siren only stun b3 in 2rl

[tulip quest]

Hmmm good shot I THINK

can try just that sometimes it stuns my scarlet before she burst

If blanc is stun = win if blanc isn't stunned = lose

not a bad try tho

[hollow lagoon]

@tulip quest

they need whole team on 15%+ chargespeed

[tulip quest]

My team usually + 15 cs or more

I just assume most do

[glad meteor]

Yeah if they have 11%cs on rls

[tulip quest]

team comp is good

can see opponent bla link to be sure

[hollow lagoon]

i dont

[tulip quest]

if not can just Try

[tulip quest]

if you rank 1 no need to make 15 CS RL

just main tain 1-3 pos so 3k gems every 14 days

[hollow lagoon]

but i wanna win ca again lel

[tulip quest]

you already 1-3 SPA?

[hollow lagoon]

so far yeah

[tulip quest]

good if you want follow ur heart

for C.A

[hollow lagoon]

eah didnt know buy most of my rls are 8-11 cs

[noble hatch]

Lets make Zantarath great again!

[hollow lagoon]

unexpected....

[tulip quest]

crazy comps

[hollow lagoon]

just compiling my rl%

[noble hatch]

I dont think this team has damage

[hollow lagoon]

just showing the cs on my rls

[tulip quest]

he was just compiling is RL he said

[hollow lagoon]

irs ok

my defences are this team anyway

[tulip quest]

Vesti good enuf minimum 8%

[hollow lagoon]

she was 8 but become 10 when i did a roll

if i get 1 more lkine she can hit 11

or i can use adju cube

[tulip quest]

I can reroll my Vesti good high roll ATK AND Ele

[tulip quest]

and in pvp She EATS WIND WEAK

[hollow lagoon]

my vesti is 1 ele

[tulip quest]

i wanna try running Absolute team comp

it just works vs most teams and just add Emi +Rossana

[hollow lagoon]

I put dis but people not attacking me

[tulip quest]

cause some1 dies or team mate dies = Rossana b1 boom

then 3 instantly dead before burst

3

[tulip quest]

The cp difference too much XD and they know u just trolling

[hollow lagoon]

on dont have to explain to me

i'm the sucide lord

thing with absolute comp is the defences are kinda non existant ish

i havent tried it because i never needed to

[tulip quest]

If you kill 3 Nikke before burst 2 because of Rossana do you even need defense?

I can do something similar in Vest T Emilia LapT comp vs a whale 51 levels above me

so it works More in C.A which is similar level

[tulip quest]

Saitama One punch man Issues XD

[hollow lagoon]

i would try it but i would need to slap ol on eunhwa

right now i have a gear exp issue

[tulip quest]

Can just make Eunwha NO OL AT ALL Sacrifice for Rossana

[tulip quest]

hmmm I guess Issue of being too strong you can't test it out yourself

different comps

[steel meteor]

Oh my god I forg to ask to where I sub in LaplaceTr and/or ros cuz do I need to sub them in tgt?

And also I see ppl in the roaster are like what 60-80 levels above me idk if I can beat them

[tulip quest]

60-80 whales kinda normal right now wait till you see 150 or 200 levels above you with 128+costumes or more

but you have a Savior

https://tenor.com/view/maniwonders-cascadewallet-rfid-rfi-dwallet-wallet-gif-13938739

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[ripe aurora]

At that point ship already sailed.
You ain't catching up with that spend. No matter how much swiping you do

[versed mesa]

For the more experienced, does Sirens stun work on any target once she has fired 50 shots? So for example if she is shooting at my P1 which dies before she stuns and she switches target does the stun go off on the next target right after 50 total shots? Even if she fired let's say 45 on P1, who dies, then she fires 5 more on new target?

[glad meteor]

Should be on the 50th hit

Shouldnt need to hit 50x on each opponent

[noble hatch]

WELL WELL WELL!

[noble hatch]

F THE DOUBTER! EAT THIS!

[noble hatch]

NOT EVEN CLOSE! F to the 86%

[umbral belfry]

underdog wins are always the way

[shell hazel]

yeah mine was also like 87% against me 😄

[hollow lagoon]

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-spongebob-gif-6081957

[late tiger]

a fraction of the community plays the game seriously and a fraction of that plays pvp seriously
you are just a notification they wanna get rid of @noble hatch

[tulip quest]

I know some1 who did XD

but not suggesting it really just memeing on it

Unless ur rich

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

i'm amazed on how the extra cursed comp is doing so well

even in your bracket

[noble hatch]

W, hearts in the chat!

[hollow lagoon]

maybe

i'm i actually not derp

maybe i'm actually good

[shell hazel]

nono, derp confirmed 😄

this was the most fun one to watch I think

watch your teams in action @hollow lagoon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jW6Tt55qn0

[noble hatch]

Actually, I feel its the blind follows the blind, when I did the cheer it was 3 votes, since i voted myself the ratio was 66% to 33%. so my intelligent guess is, Isorokun cheered for herself, and the next person see its 100% so he followed, so the rest of the people who comes later, seeing Isorokun getting high % thinking she would win and thus the % is skew towards Isorokun. I even doubted myself until I did my check on various method and test and I am sure to win team 2,3,4.

[shell hazel]

once I'm out I generally just follow the highest % I don't care if it's right or wrong anymore 😛

[noble hatch]

Yup, thats what i'm saying

I did that too, im guilty of it hahaha

[versed mesa]

I pretty much just check which player placed higher last season and if they are both placed around the same, I check their previous fight and how well they did in that.

[noble hatch]

Thats smart, I told one of my friend that I would do that too if im lazy, I had a deeper run and had a better track record, so I wonder why the skew ratio. Very interesting

[late tiger]

a mix of both i would say
also, shuftup should revamp the comparison interface
unless there is a trick, comparing both teams is tedious

[versed mesa]

Since I have never gotten past the advance stage, do people get to switch around their teams, or are they fully locked to whatever they were at before the preliminaries start?

[shell hazel]

it's why I don't even try to do it lol

[shell hazel]

lock in

truly the rng arena

[noble hatch]

People do ☝️ @late tiger

[versed mesa]

Damn So if you placed teams badly, you might be stronger, but if the opponent had different team order you could just lose to that?

[noble hatch]

I think im too into PvP, I could guess which team win just by looking at first glance (not checking online etc etc)

[shell hazel]

is why it's rng arena 😛

[late tiger]

you prob just know the names

[noble hatch]

Its the meta of your CA's bracket

We are all in different bracket, so we have different champion or winner, everyone is trying to beat the previous Champion or Winner with the current team. (I think i've spoke too much)

[noble hatch]

Idk your track record so I dont want to say too much. I think theres a word, Basado ♥

You are based

Anyway, ultimately the best tip i can give is, Enjoy!

If you find no fun in PvP then no point try harding in PvP

Kus kus kus, kussy on all the bussies~♥ with love

-Ohnepixel

[versed mesa]

That's my secret Captain... I never find fun in PvP

[late tiger]

i will give a feedback regarding the interface

didn´t seem to find this being nudged toward the devs yet

[hollow lagoon]

i erm

if u had mana the hood could resurrected and t1 would be even scarier

[swift mango]

Better than this maybe

[hollow lagoon]

[sharp lagoon]

Little more to get to championship arena?

[hollow lagoon]

need to get to 4 and hold

[umbral belfry]

you also need to be lv200 synx level

and its rank 1 to 4 in points

i dont remember if that low commander level was around the 200 sync range

[steel meteor]

Don’t think this can help much

[noble hatch]

Me too, I gave all my feedback when they asked about the various game mode.

[noble hatch]

Look at you~

[worn ridge]

Any good def to beat this guy ? He's easy to beat but pretty annoying my def teams are too bad

[noble hatch]

Hi tlsl23, hope you still remember me @sharp lagoon
Looking good on your Special Arena climb.

[noble hatch]

https://youtu.be/Bz7yQu8Vi5Y

Fresh from the oven just for you ♥

[wind kelp]

Well it was a really nice run, but i do believe this is where it ends. I think i can win 2, barely, but otherwise i'm A: out-united and B: my 1 and 5 teams weren't great to begin with 😄

Last BP was top64, so quite an improvement still.

Obviously i voted aginst myself, so that if tomorrow i see a red notice, it's yay

[quartz vortex]

what you do when you got 2 sp arena left and cant find anyone you can beat? do i just skip?

[umbral belfry]

if you cant find a way to beat them (either due to cp gap or unbuilt units), then yes

better off saving those hits in case someone attacks you

[quartz vortex]

actually surprised of the cp gap im like 660 and they are like 800+

[onyx scaffold]

do i mlb xmaiden?

[placid bloom]

do you think her lobby is sexy

[strong hull]

[quartz vortex]

does she get used in other content?

[gritty ridge]

Chat im hiding from hime, lmk if shes coming

[shell hazel]

the trick is not to move, if you don't move she can't see you

[gritty ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/drax-drax-eating-gotg-guardians-of-the-galaxy-infinity-war-gif-15664323402186045812

[rich fiber]

She does get used as a buffer for Cindy teams in SR/UR but she doesn't require MLB for that. I have her at core 7, but I use her in CA. I would personally not invest in her if you don't consistently qualify for CA

[wind kelp]

"How do you stay at your rank in special arena?"
I just log in twice a day, hour after i know(from watching) my opponents have logged in, then if i lost spots, i fight the opponents that have the same exact defense teams every day. Switch my defense teams around, and if someone beat me last 24h(r if they didn't also), also switch 1 or two team comps. Honestly no clue. Must be magic

And if i'm feeling extra spicy, i copy their defense teams just to send a message 😄

[shell hazel]

[radiant coral]

Why hide when you can just do the opposite and just be as obnoxious as you can and get her to avoid you instead

[shell hazel]

we don't want hime to avoid us, we want to hide

she'll never see it coming 😄

@umbral belfry so she doesn't miss it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDw6xxIErK4

[umbral belfry]

[wind kelp]

🥫

[winged reef]

Hi there, I got a question. I just ran a PvP where the enemy went straight for my P2 and then P3 and then P4 and then P5 and only then did they go for my P1. Is that normal? Here's the team composition:

[placid bloom]

Cinderella's decoy passive makes her untargetable by normal attacks

unless she's the only character remaining

so she should never be p1

[shell hazel]

unless you're doing it on purpose and you know what you're doing

[winged reef]

THANKS!!

[halcyon lily]

no idea about pvp, can someone suggest 3 teams for sp arena

[cedar sorrel]

I actually have no business being here I just lose cuz of cp now

[gaunt pulsar]

fight with all you can, all you need is 2 teams and planned timed attacks

[wind kelp]

Well, i'm not a professional like these folks, but i can surely "suggest" something if there's nothing else 😄

1: nayuta, liter, alice, ein, scralett black 2: scarlet, blanc, jackal, red hood, noir 3: noise, siren, cindy, biscuit, helm.

And then watch as mine butthocks get spanked like the morning sun by enriched

[fast nest]

hmm. Just in case. if you have 1st burst, such as soda or rapunzel, then put her on p2 and bring trina to p3.
Then trina's attack at p3 will be faster around 2 frames than one at p2.

[halcyon lily]

thanks

[wind kelp]

No problem, when i was starting, i just ran whatever and knew close to nothing as well. Pick up thing here, learn thing there, progress is progress!

[mint kite]

nikke.work just update to include "penetration bonus charge" on Red Hood. What's that?

[glad meteor]

If she pierces cover, her gen has a chance to double

So far its been kinda hard to predict why it does and doesn’t trigger, since it’s not consistently piercing every shot

[raven plover]

the old "just get lucky" extra gen from redhood
https://youtu.be/Pa4-1MRck_Y?feature=shared

like K explained

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel didn’t see rail all day

Did some one deth note him?

[gritty ridge]

Yeah my bad

[hollow lagoon]

How could you

You jilled rail

His pelvis is probably obliterated

[gritty ridge]

He had it coming

[glad meteor]

Monday, bro prob busy so he can whale @tropic summit

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/kkblTv5u74s?si=dYjC4PaxfHLO0wlq

[gritty ridge]

@shell hazel

[peak halo]

just buy the gacha costumes for core dust and the 50 $ packs you will get out of there in no time

[cedar sorrel]

[peak halo]

my only competitor fighting for challenger 3 just lost to a person from rank 8 I'm glad and hope their rivalry continues

[radiant coral]

Guess you ain’t showing up to the finals either

We’re double ditching

[gritty ridge]

I never show up to the finals

[radiant coral]

Neither do I

[gritty ridge]

Top 8 is the best ive done

[radiant coral]

And that’s also the highest I’ll ever go

[gritty ridge]

Im trying to win, but im not invested enough to beat counters

[radiant coral]

I have my units spread across evenly for both PvP bossing and PvE

So any wins I have rn is just pure dumb luck

[gritty ridge]

Im steady investing pvp

I even have poli invested lmao

[radiant coral]

I only got helm and drake

I’m still missing essentials too like Rapunzel and Mihara

[ripe aurora]

May their feud live long and prosper 🖖

[gritty ridge]

The only essential im missing is 2 lap dupes

[radiant coral]

I could also use that

never realized how homeless I was until now

[gritty ridge]

Technically you only need 3 good teams and to get lucky

[radiant coral]

I could try that

but that's already difficult in SP for me atm

[hidden ore]

how'd my whole team insta die 😭
my nikkes are level 289, and theirs was 666
I also got destroyed by somebody using 2 level 4XX nikkes and 3 level 1

[gritty ridge]

Their sync is hwat

[north brook]

Her auto attacks oneshotted ur units

[gritty ridge]

Also countera

Oh youre using jackal

She shot your link and instakilled you

[north brook]

She didnt take any damage

[hidden ore]

Idek what Jackal does, she's just on the team cus Prydwen said she's good

[gritty ridge]

If you have people that sync in your arena, dont bother with pvp

[hidden ore]

I only recently started using my entries just for the tickets to buy code manuals with

[robust wedge]

Is there a guide somewhere I can follow for current meta team comps? I'm getting beat in arena used to be top 5 consistently and now I'm barely breaking 10

[rich quail]

Check the pins from this channel

Click the #pvp-arena header

Click on “pins”

Look for the guides there

[robust wedge]

Thank you 🫡

[tulip quest]

Crazy comp

[crystal flicker]

I already lose this CA, I'm free

[rustic sandal]

Something to beat this team.

Here's my box.

[radiant coral]

Cinderella, drake, red hood, liberalio, Nayuta against second team.

Some high CP with Vesti for third team

Can’t guarantee it will work, but hopefully it can have high enough CP with good damage and tank

[rustic sandal]

Oke. I'll try.

Good stuff.

[noble hatch]

I’m worried that my Rapunzel would die to TVesti team

[rustic sandal]

Welp, I'm back at C6.

I get attacked constantly. I hate it.

At least 10 attacks per day. And they literally do it when I'm away.

[urban mulch]

I had one guy camping my attack (he attacked back literally 10s later)

[rustic sandal]

Damn.

Must be nice to be an unchallenged giga whale just chilling as C1 all the time.

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit new def fine?

[quick lake]

looks great

[kind gate]

It worked! tyty

[sharp lagoon]

Ayoooo I’m challenger 2

[sharp lagoon]

thank you!

[sharp lagoon]

@noble hatch

[sharp lagoon]

oh really?

[lucid wave]

How can i counter this team comp?

[crystal flicker]

Rosa

[umbral belfry]

yeah you're gonna have to wait for a bit more until then

[noble hatch]

You did it!

[sharp lagoon]

[noble hatch]

I really hope to win Top 16, if so im gonna meet one of my PvP idol in Top 8, Coldstar

[hollow lagoon]

@umbral belfry looks like @tropic summit retired, it’s up to u to carry the PvP chat

[noble hatch]

Not sure who is Ikuyo, but Hime is a great person. Lets go boys!

Right now is the calm before the storm, in 10minutes.

[terse abyss]

try vesti, helm treasure, soda, blanc, jackal. you pretty much just want your blanc to activate slightly slower than theirs and soda is slightly slower than biscuit while simultaneously able to stun blanc or vesti

not sure if it depends on vesti's max ammo or not as well

[noble hatch]

yes max ammo does contribute to burst gen, no ammo no burst gen

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon @nimble swan @cunning crown me died

probably for the best my next match would be against moran/blanc guy if I won

[noble hatch]

Dont say that bro, ive been there and done that, any step further is definitely desired. You did your best, still a good result.

Now my turn to look at my result o7

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chosen-one-you-were-the-chosen-one-gif-7521423

[noble hatch]

Hi five, I've lost too o7 o7

[hollow lagoon]

Me too

[shell hazel]

F in the chat

[hollow lagoon]

Friendship gang wiped out

My scarlet comp died to indom rumani

lol

[noble hatch]

F to all the fellow fallen comrade xDDinside

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel used my rng to pull a siren yesterday on blue ticks so worthy trade

Fish waifu more important

[covert lintel]

you beat nozomu @raven plover

[raven plover]

very lucky vs his soda stun

[nimble swan]

Don't tell me it had to be Splirnok who killed you
But we both got killed by Nayutas, so many Nayuta pfps I can't distinguish, especially asian ones

[hollow lagoon]

ya my solw cindy died to it

[shell hazel]

yep lol. I'm running zanta random teams though haha

[nimble swan]

@shell hazel I know Rail knows all sorts of these things, but I haven't seen him but want clarification.
This team is 2.5RL and what is the requirement for it to block 2RL scar

is it enough if Noah only has CS req?

I know there's also scar counters rng

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry please release @tropic summit from the dungeon you have him locked up in

[hollow lagoon]

man scarlet teams just rough now days

[nimble swan]

I think if noah, lib, and helm has the CS req (RH not even needed) it will block scar, unless scar team clipRLs also have the CS req

[hollow lagoon]

i will prob always run my salad team anyway

[shell hazel]

you can generally check specifics on nikke.top site, see if b2 kicks in on time

add both teams and such to that

noah b2 just needs to beat a general 2RL scar time at least

[umbral belfry]

he's busy

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel how would u rate my cursed comp

[shell hazel]

it's done OK but I almost died in 1st time in quals haha

[nimble swan]

it's not 100% reliable for scar teams. You can only count in an average for scar counters, you can't compute with exact values

[hollow lagoon]

which team is the weakest link

[nimble swan]

but yeah that's the most accurate approximation

[shell hazel]

i'll compute the stats a bit when I get home later 🙂

[hollow lagoon]

evil

[umbral belfry]

are u guys still alive

[nimble swan]

NOPE

[shell hazel]

nope

[nimble swan]

lol

[hollow lagoon]

nopw teamfriend ship full ded

[nimble swan]

[umbral belfry]

then you are all joining rail

[hollow lagoon]

did t u die fist

man arcana pfp hime was better

[quick lake]

deaded

[hollow lagoon]

the pink one is too evil

[shell hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[umbral belfry]

shh

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

full auto?

[swift mango]

Who can do it auto

[hollow lagoon]

idk?

[umbral belfry]

I love my wife

[swift mango]

The problemnwas the usual 0 rock, not the phase.

[hollow lagoon]

0 rock is normal

nothing new?

if i get rock its like

[swift mango]

Yeah, but it suck first thing after weekly reset plus the outpost overfilled on top.

[hollow lagoon]

the over fill is a you issue tho

[swift mango]

And it suck.

I forgot to bet today.

Overfill at before betting reset so it's normal

[umbral belfry]

I don't wanna be a meemaw to u pvp bois tho

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

@tropic summit you retired?

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

How about write a Arena guide to left behind some legacy? I could help.

[umbral belfry]

dude is gonna come back to 999 pings

[swift mango]

Don't make him quit for real

[hollow lagoon]

some body set up a ai that makes nikke account and ping rail for comps

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

already pvp meemaw

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

I got 0 rock yesterday. @umbral belfry ate them as usual 🙁

[hollow lagoon]

typical

[quick lake]

Must be hime eating them

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

yeah bc I saw into the future and knew today you would lose so I started early

[shell hazel]

he'll love it

[hollow lagoon]

i got 2 and i spent it on sdoro, 2atk 2 ele 3 ammo, guud nuff, back to 0 rock

[shell hazel]

that is 2 more than me!

[quick lake]

my fullburst weekend was bad

[hollow lagoon]

i mean 2 including pity

[shell hazel]

Rail skipping work as usual!

@tropic summit get back to work

[umbral belfry]

his final message

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

he's giving support to the future

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/bop-bop-bop-shoebody-bop-squad-summon-dark-magic-gif-13983602502478731881

@tropic summit

[shell hazel]

well if Rail doesn't solve issues who will!?

[hollow lagoon]

certainly not jesus

did nobody map rail before gonezo? need to make an ai out of him

[swift mango]

Hey did he said he quitted or you guy just joking?

[quick lake]

back to dead pvp chat

[swift mango]

Nah, you just have to start working or call @keen vapor

[hollow hamlet]

Any thoughts on the immortal duel between Rzzzz and Shiro?

[hollow lagoon]

oh man

that's all she gonna get

[umbral belfry]

no rheax it's your turn

[swift mango]

@umbral crown

Maybe Rail quitted, Idk, time to start do your Arena MA job.

[swift mango]

Better than my Nayuta

[keen vapor]

Present at job

[shell hazel]

he disappeared before for a day or two maybe just real life things 🙂

I do the same sometimes as well

[swift mango]

Nah, he used to mia for 1-2 weeks

Once

[shell hazel]

i'm sure he'll be back, and in greater numbers

[swift mango]

With his wife and son

[warm monolith]

Wheres @tropic summit:(

Oh wait you guys are wondering the same thing

I needed help w this if anybody can help

[cedar sorrel]

I just pulled little mermaid. Is she any good in this mode?

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon as chief fishwaifu husbando please answer this one

[hollow lagoon]

niche stun, harder to use the more invested and knowledge your opponent is

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-laugh-four-gif-7446278225827837893

[warm monolith]

He wouldve beat it

[cedar sorrel]

Hmm I see. Im trying to invest ij camp + pvp units as much as possible like lib and tvesti so thats why I was wondering

[shell hazel]

no point you're massively cp gapped you'll never hold it anyway

[hollow lagoon]

she's the strongest burst 1 unit right now tho for pve

[upper grove]

Rail

[shell hazel]

Rail

[gaunt pulsar]

good on attack, on def not so much but still could work especially at early levels

[cedar sorrel]

Yea exactly so even then its never a waste

[hollow lagoon]

vredict is honestly invest immediately lel

[cedar sorrel]

Yea Im rn spending books on maxing rrh

After that Ill start levelling mermaid

[shell hazel]

she's campaign meta b1 anyway

[swift mango]

Yeah RH is meta b1.

[north brook]

Siren just brought along for cdr

But still works alright

[cedar sorrel]

What would early levels be?

[swift mango]

Siren is strong in campaign
-Stun counter lots of mobs.
-5% unconditional dmg taken.
-Burst gen sometime help speed up burst cycle.
-Her aoe dmg and burst isn't very good in Campaign but not like it doesn't help any.

[north brook]

Ya just best cdr option so that u can run rh - crown - rapi and then rh - crown - helm burst cycle

[swift mango]

And don't forget about her for us fire outside of bursting.

[north brook]

Siren b1 only gets used when rh burst on cd or for lining up rh burst for both rapi bursts

[swift mango]

Well, RH b1 isnt really the only meta option now, off-burst Maid mast is a bit better especially those who got many copy of her.

[north brook]

Ya rh just got better gen and more cp

[shell hazel]

I barely take RH only if I need fast burst gen or I absolutely need her B1 for the boss to die

[north brook]

If u core maxed mmast it works same

[wind kelp]

I lost my "guess correctly" streak....dayo

[north brook]

Meaty atk buff is just the meta for absolute lowest cp clears

[swift mango]

Well, some lucky guy could get maid mast to +7 by now and CP pad her high. Ofc not me.

[north brook]

But ya for auto mode easiest to run sbs and rapi no rh

[shell hazel]

you're the chosen one go win it

[north brook]

For me rh only unit i went all in on other than sanis for waifu reason so its no contest

But helps rh cp that shes a dps so she is good to give elem/atk high lines

[wind kelp]

Let's not go too far just yet

[north brook]

My mast tanks cp so much

[swift mango]

I CP pad units for Arena+Campaign. Campaign alone isn't worth it.

[north brook]

Ya that was forever ago, got core 5 on her banner 1st anni and she core max by now

[gaunt pulsar]

below 300sync i would say
from personal experience unless you have some giga whales in your group that bought every unit by pulling too much:

• at sync 160-200 you and people in your group still gonna build whatever you have best to work with
• closer to 220 it becomes better and people start to get more units, but still nothing you can't deal with, and generally you shouldn't find too many people that know what they are doing, even if they do they dont have every unit
• 240-260 you might start seeing some proper pvp teams build, but probably still not all three, somewhere here people might start get more aware that you use siren and what she does, and how to not get screwed by her, but she still might force them to change their attack team
  the higher you go though the less likely you can create a problem for enemy with her

[north brook]

But meta so different now its not worth it to all in meta anymore

The unit quality gap used to be way higher when we had units like marciana released and she had meta consideration because there was that low healing avail

[cedar sorrel]

I see thanks for the explanation 💪

[swift mango]

All in ele

[north brook]

I mean like going high cores on one major unit, need way more of the normal units now

Like only complete dud is mbe sora this year and shes not even useless

[swift mango]

Well, it's just solo raid that evolved more. Campaign and arena Meta isn't changing that fast.

Especially campaign is still the same ATK buff being king. Ele now only creeping up thanks to Meta DPS all has hugh ATK buff for self, but you just need one high Ele DPS for each Ele. Rapipi already doubled as 2.

[north brook]

Tbh in campaign rn its mainly just rapi even off elem still, sbs or bready cope for volleyballs

[swift mango]

You still need right Element for low clear boss.

[north brook]

Rapi just bit too broken at both dps down elites/bosses+aoe to clear most other mobs

Ya since what crystal chamber bosses have been the bottleneck

[swift mango]

Every 2 map we have a major boss now, if you wanted to low clear it you still have to bring right Element DPS. Ofc if you played long enough you could just grind it over since your CP high enough already

[north brook]

Ya only gluttony really gave opportunity to have normal stages be tough lately but ziz puts it back to hard wall

Iirc got to ziz at 541 and saw lowest clear at 581, very epic

Now i think theres some 561 but u need to hard invest absolute xd

[patent sail]

Who do u think will win this?

Blanc guy has a lot of dupes

[shell hazel]

blanc guy is a whale in @dim escarp union

[dim escarp]

and he's going to be ban soon

[shell hazel]

skipping raids?

[dim escarp]

yup, only one atk

[shell hazel]

I don't know why people would do just 1 atk seems dumb

[dim escarp]

maybe he was waiting wind to be up again then forgot next day

but well, 70lvl more than me and I do more than him every raid, dude is carried by his lvl

[shell hazel]

what did you get last raid? I managed 26 ish I think, was my best score ever

[dim escarp]

gg

godlike

[shell hazel]

yeah was happy, prob beat whale chan if he only did 1 try 😄

[dim escarp]

here's my 2 account x)

jawtao and drop

[dim escarp]

yes you certainly did

lil' bro did only 11B on fire

sync 570

[shell hazel]

some good numbers your sheet looks awesome

[dim escarp]

tyty

[shell hazel]

I do lazy version, just dump out of blabla 😄

it tells me only that all 3 tries were used and what the total was

[dim escarp]

yeaah lmao I use blabla and ai to resume all score very quickly

[shell hazel]

blabla api has a lot of the data, did you get the api working for the union raid data?

funny thing is with blabla api I can see all union raid results even yours 😄

[dim escarp]

damn that's crazy

I did not

[patent sail]

Normally vesti team should win this right?

[patent sail]

Do u trust ur whale guy in pvp?

I don't wanna lose my streak, i need that frame

[dim escarp]

he did invest in early CA then stopped invest (he did never update team until last CA) and he is carried by the fact he have everything max core

I haven't seen the team but he can certainly win

[patent sail]

It's close, i think it will ends up 2-2 and these 2 team will decide the winner

I don't know how much dupes matter in CA tho

[gritty ridge]

They matter in mirrors

[upper grove]

high sync hitting lower than much lower accs in UR piss me off so much

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel how cursed is this

[robust surge]

yes I'm here. but I quit, so goodbye 🙂

[shell hazel]

you can't bait me into running your cursed teams again : D

[hollow lagoon]

oh but u will, or u will atleast try them out next week

[placid bloom]

no Brid

nvm you using Brid elsewhere

[shell hazel]

oh lord no half this shit not built 😛

[void glacier]

im the higher sync hitting less than one million damage

[placid bloom]

no AbsTU believers

[obsidian tangle]

is 25% cp superiority an auto win?

[upper grove]

mihara diesel team is cursed af

[placid bloom]

not always. But by 30% usually yes, that's roughly the point at which you start hitting 1 dmg even in full burst

though with true damage even that can be winnable

depending on the matchup

[obsidian tangle]

so if I go with full pve team 25% cp agaisn't this team I might still lose?

[placid bloom]

you can die yes depending on whether or not you are able to kill through links. Triple HP pool is deceptively big

there's a decent chance Vesti lives to take indom

and then you get wiped

[stuck pike]

You won't hit 1 damage at 30%, but you'll likely die having roughly 1/3 the durability without using indom or invuln tech usually.

[placid bloom]

it's probably a bit of RNG, you won't have 100% win rate but you shouldn't have 100% lose rate either if you crit

[obsidian tangle]

I see, thanks, what would be a good team agaisn't this? 2RL indom vesti i got no clue how to counter

[placid bloom]

is this rookie or SPA?

[obsidian tangle]

spa

[placid bloom]

better to skip because beating it will waste a lot of units that could be on other teams

[hollow lagoon]

both need attack boost but Mihara need reload speed, or ammo manage ment of sorts and thus is the conclusion

[placid bloom]

it's beatable ofc

[obsidian tangle]

this are his other teams I pretty much have everything except Vesti and TLaplace

[upper grove]

mihara really hates bursting first

[placid bloom]

Moran team is 4RL so Scar Mermaid should be easy clear, Scar team should be beatable with 2RL Noah Cinderella

[stuck pike]

first team is 4RL. You can abuse that pretty easily even with Biscuit there.
second team is 2 RL, but just glass cannon. You can abuse the lack of staying power if you can build against the Rosanna burst.

[placid bloom]

actually I guess depending on how tanky his other defenders are you might not one-shot with 1.5 buff Scar

if you want to be safer you can go Lib Mermaid

well they're slow enough you can even get away with RH Scar

2 buff Scar should lethal easily

[obsidian tangle]

what would a lib siren team look like? never used one

[stuck pike]

LM would stun Moran.

delay the already slow burst a second longer or something.

Liberalio is the hardest hitting aoe, but it comes out slow. Won't matter here

She'll hit without any issue.

the fact that the Rosanna is p2 means Rosanna will lose 33% of her burst damage since she loses conceal. That's the first glimmer of hope in that second team.

[obsidian tangle]

if rosana is taunted how does her ult work?

does she target the tank?

[placid bloom]

hmm they're so slow you don't even need Mermaid tbh

even something like this should be okay, I didn't put Emilia since I'd rather not have Bay get Biscuit invin for no reason

Trina Lib is very overkill but it's w/e

[obsidian tangle]

will a RH+Trina 2RL scarlet work as well as the lib team?

[placid bloom]

Scar is maybe scary into LapT, Idk if they have enough ele dmg to randomly kill her out of nowhere

you never know

you can try it but if she dies then that's that

[obsidian tangle]

even with jackal link it's possible?

[placid bloom]

if you're on Jackal there's no issue

[stuck pike]

Even though Jackal does get delinked by Rosanna, I'd say she's still a better choice over the Centi tbh, if he has her.

[placid bloom]

you have stuff to sub in and out since it's just 2 teams to work with

seems safe enough, pretty low chance Noise dies but there's backup in case

[obsidian tangle]

alright thanks 🙂 I'll give it a shot

[obsidian tangle]

win and also won agaisn't the vesti team with a pve cp gap team 😄

25% cp

[placid bloom]

not bad

[hollow lagoon]

@swift mango 0 rock day

[high lava]

Wasn't sure to post this in #team-building or here but I'm having trouble coming of with 3 teams for sp arena. No idea how to build teams for this mode

oh, ive only treasured Helm btw

[ivory violet]

I can help you out. It's a mixture of using the right units, bursting fast enough, and having high cp, can you click on your nikke tab and show them in order of cp or post your blabla?

The meta teams would probably be worse than adjusting to what you have invested

[high lava]

Let me know if this works, I sent this to a friend in Australia and he couldn't view it

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtMTIyNzM4NzU1ODM5MTg4NjI3Njk%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTIyNzM4NzU1ODM5MTg4NjI3Njk%3D

[ivory violet]

I can see your nikkes over here in the states

[high lava]

okay, good to know

[void glacier]

Question, at what combat power does teams matter in pvp.

[gaunt pulsar]

no such thing as being viable after certain cp threshold, your teams just preferably should be out of pvp viable units and in cp range of other opponents

[ivory violet]

T1: 3RL Cindy team that’s hard to kill before it can burst.
T2: 3RL nuke team, lib isn’t ideal on defense but it’s probably the best you can do for now
T3: Slapping together leftover invested units of yours. This is your weakest team but it’s hard to do much better at this point

You’re good at figuring out which units to invest for PvE content which I’m guessing is your focus. If you wanna learn more meta team comps you can check the pinned & read up on some of the PvP guides. If you have a specific question tho lmk

[keen vapor]

Self sufficient channel

[high lava]

Thanks for even the descriptions to what you did, thats awesome of you

And yeah for the most part I am putting most of the resources into pve but I do want to start throwing in some pvp units to at least get somewhere going

[shell hazel]

what you done with Rail?

I sense a conspiracy to hide Rail from us

@tropic summit doko?

[keen vapor]

I send him to a better place

[shell hazel]

I figured Hime basement

[ivory violet]

I will say PvP gets you a better gem ROI than investing solo raid and the units change much less frequently. You can get pretty far just by overloading the PvP battery units bc that gives a good CP bump. You could start by overloading jackal, noah, trina, and scarlet in your box to get things going

PvE stuff like soloraid is way more fun though so you can take your time with it. I know level 400s who don't even have jackal invested lol

[north brook]

Invest gapping ur bracket goes a long way

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

ikuyo, azx!

[high lava]

Who's considered PvP Battery units?

[north brook]

The clip rls, helm, emi

[shell hazel]

other than scarlet they did list them

or at least some of them

[high lava]

Ah I was gonna say if that was the ones listed

[shell hazel]

+helm ofc

[ivory violet]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?usp=sharing

There's a more complete guide if you want to see every unit and their burst gen, there's more than what I listed but it's a good start

[high lava]

[north brook]

Since ur still lower level ull mainly just need burst gen speed, not so much dmg

[shell hazel]

keripo not really changed his list much

[high lava]

[north brook]

Ya at this point its a bit dated but shows how the meta doesnt move much

[shell hazel]

it's slow-ish but his info might be dated

for a new player I'd mostly say that building units that can work in both pvp and pve is king

[north brook]

Like its still 90% decent info

[high lava]

That was my first thought, then id be investing into both modes with less resources

[north brook]

Ya mainly its cindy and helm

[shell hazel]

HelmT, vestiTU, Cindy, Red Hood etc can work in both modes

[north brook]

Most pvp units u can just give 4ol for almost forever

[shell hazel]

but you can't escape at least needing to build a bit stuff like jackal and noah

[high lava]

Still no VestiTU but already got the other TU units

[shell hazel]

you can get her in a few weeks with 100% chance

new year selector on step up event

[high lava]

[shell hazel]

but you can only pick one of the standard units so pick wisely, she's more pvp than pve meta but she still can work good in campaign deficit stages

she's just awful on bosses mostly :9

[ivory violet]

Vesti is super nice for pushing hard mode campaign, which you'll want to do if you want to be competitive in pvp

[shell hazel]

yeah true damage screen clear AOE is good, I love running her with Rapi as everything blows up lol

imo HelmT is the best pvp unit to invest though and I wind up using her a lot

[high lava]

Ive got a good amount of Nikkes already, its Tetra im still low on and just missing Grave as far as high tier pilgrims go

[ivory violet]

HelmT is really a player vs everything type of unit

[shell hazel]

jackal and noah you can get away with just basic OL and 4/4/4 skills mostly

[shell hazel]

mostly b.ade just does what grave does but better now sadly lol

I had grave since a year ago or so and I never really got around to investing in her

[high lava]

[north brook]

Grave still better personal dmg + pierce unit dmg, bade better for general buff

[ivory violet]

The burst gen buff she gives mg units is rly nice too but that's solo raid only tbh. She's probably close to getting power crept out of the game except for fire raids

I think it hasn't been updated in 6 months or something. There haven't really been any meta defining units in that time tho so it's still a good place to start

[high lava]

Just saw the date

[shell hazel]

some stuff has changed though

imo s.anis is not really worth investing now

vestiTU 100% will be

I think in general scarlet (whilst good) is also usually easy to counter

[ivory violet]

Oh yeah huh it's missing vesti lmfao

[shell hazel]

helmT is probably a tier higher than shown, on par with noah jackal etc

cindy maybe a bit less as we got vesti who basically does her role but better

Ein is too high up no one really runs her now

Mana too high up

the further down the list you get the more wrong or irrelevant stuff seems to get

[void glacier]

Is being hardstuck bronze at 200k-300k normal

[shell hazel]

just start with invest jackal and noah

[high lava]

[gaunt pulsar]

no, unless you dropped the game and returned at some point

[shell hazel]

you can't go wrong. they won't be power crept soon

[void glacier]

Should I overload her?

Noah specifically

[shell hazel]

was for @high lava more so than in reply to you

but everyone who plays in pvp should invest jackal and noah so yes all the same

[void glacier]

I haven't, I just keep getting stay checked

[gaunt pulsar]

you prob mixing up her burst gen buff with siren, grave doesn't have weird ammo count condition

[high lava]

man now Im tempted to get the new skin for jackel even though im not sure how she performs outside of pvp

[north brook]

Sanis is a pve unit now yeah

[shell hazel]

she does not lol

[north brook]

Although tbh still very good for pve

[shell hazel]

I get it anyway as I want the pulls

[void glacier]

Usually I hit silver 3 if I'm lucky then get bought down to bronze 2-3 the next day

My combat power is 400k total

[north brook]

Tbh i think its free to get top 10 f2p if u invest optimally

[gaunt pulsar]

and top ranking players at what if you can see?

[void glacier]

I don't run into top players just grunts like myself

[north brook]

Top 20ish is where all the players are more casual

[shell hazel]

this is new

[shell hazel]

click ranking bottom right and see what top looks like please

[high lava]

yeah ive been stuck in Diamond for quite a while now

[void glacier]

Yeeeaaaaahhhhhh no

[shell hazel]

you left and came back

[void glacier]

This seems like ultra whale status

[north brook]

Yeah u stopped at some point

[shell hazel]

no it's that they left and returned, or played slow like an old woman 😄

[void glacier]

Oh I see what you mean by stopped, funny story

Years ago my friends and I have downloaded the game as a joke

[north brook]

Everyone in ur bracket started around same point

[shell hazel]

pvp is based on account creation date so perma 🧱

[high lava]

purple dolled Jackel and Noah
OL'ing these two might take awhile though

[north brook]

Yeah basically u are permanently behind

[void glacier]

Unless

🐳 🐳 🐳

[shell hazel]

hopefully you didn't go straight to purple doll

[shell hazel]

it would be far more efficient to re-roll and whale from the start on that

you won't have a million miles to catch up on to even get to even

[north brook]

Those players are like +300lvl on u lol

Cant whale to catch that

[high lava]

When they say I hoard, I hoard alot

[shell hazel]

I dread to think how much you'd need to spend to catch up, many thousands of $'s

[void glacier]

On the bright side

[high lava]

@shell hazel

[void glacier]

I have the same union bracket as those whales, very suprised they let me in

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-early-birthday-now-gimmee-gif-15731324811646516558

[gaunt pulsar]

solo raid museum v2 when i need free boxes

[void glacier]

Outside of pvp, what else is based on account creation

[ripe aurora]

That's a lot of kits.
Unfortunately I have to confiscate all of them.
Manufacturer recall, you know how it goes.

[shell hazel]

yeah wen next phase I want doll crates

[high lava]

[void glacier]

Outside of pvp, my server is a corpse

[gaunt pulsar]

[void glacier]

I'm top 20 in some of this stuff

[high lava]

Scarlet just ate so many blue kits

[void glacier]

I can aim for this

Nobody has it yet

[shell hazel]

in like 400 levels or so 😄

[gaunt pulsar]

well top 20 is usual, there like 100 people on one of this servers where 80% are just people rerolling accounts/bots

[shell hazel]

I'm sync 458 and I can't get that yet

[void glacier]

Nvm

I'm chopped

[shell hazel]

if you want to do better on the pvp have you considered re-roll?

you'll get put with other new accounts then

[void glacier]

I'll probably just reroll and have 2 accounts

[shell hazel]

what keeps you attached on current one? anything you can't get again?

[gaunt pulsar]

level 200-210 is like 2-3 month of game time if you lucky

[void glacier]

Primarily time

[shell hazel]

can be done quicker

[void glacier]

I'll just run like 2 accounts

[shell hazel]

nah I'd not bother you'll just burn out

[void glacier]

Been on this one for 6 months

[shell hazel]

stick with old = you are perma 🧱 so you can take as many breaks as you want

roll new = you can't take breaks or you become perma 🧱 again

6 months is a lot but also that is pretty slow for your sync

[high lava]

dam my power jumped up so much just from purple dolling 5 of them

[gaunt pulsar]

i had dude with 4 accounts all in one union in my rookie wonder which one he plays the most in the end, dont see him anymore much

[shell hazel]

unstoppable

[void glacier]

There is option 3

Catch up to this guy

[placid bloom]

just play casually and don't bother ranking

[void glacier]

I'm just joking, I didn't plan on playing competitively

Just high enough to buy from shops in pvp

[shell hazel]

you can still compete in solo raid/pve a bit

[high lava]

VS 810k power

death by VestiTU

[void glacier]

Older server with active union = free carry in union raids

[gaunt pulsar]

total power doesn't matter, make sure your individual teams are in range of what you attacking

[void glacier]

So it's not totally joever

[shell hazel]

unions aren't split they just exist

[placid bloom]

only PvP is split by account creation date

[gaunt pulsar]

and ranking based on your creation server

[placid bloom]

SR ranking is entire server

[high lava]

Thats true, I didn't even know you can flip teams around like that

[shell hazel]

you hit cp penalty below 84.6% power

this is calc per team

opponent team cp * 0.846 = your minimum to not get any deficit

[void glacier]

Cp penalty applies in pvp?

[gaunt pulsar]

yea and number is easy to remember because it's a perfect triangle on a numpad 8 4 6

[shell hazel]

your cp / 0.846 = when you start getting gapped in reverse

i.e.
100000 (opponent cp) * 0.846 = 84600
84600 (your cp) / 0.846 = 100000

so against a team at 100K you need 84.6K minimum ideally. and opposite of this is your 84.6K team can't really fight anything above 100K well

there is 0 loss above this deficit stat, but if you fall below it immediate 20% penalty and it scales from there

[gaunt pulsar]

reverse calc is good if you want to know how much cp you can take from opponent on def you wouldn't know what they attacking with, but anyway

[shell hazel]

the one I'd use the most is the other one but it can be useful to see what your team max can be

the game should really just show the deficit thing, it would make it much easier for people

[gaunt pulsar]

cn first, that's how it goes this days

[shell hazel]

probably true

[rustic sandal]

@tropic summit can you make me a new Def team? I'm getting cooked out here.

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit is out of the office right now

[rustic sandal]

Aww hell nah.

He cooked my def team that was doing well. But I need a new one cuz I got punched down to D2.

My dumbass changed my def team so the guy I'm attacking can't revenge attack me. Now I'm getting ganged up.

[cedar sorrel]

Moran is good in pvp right? When is she used?

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon some interesting fights, moran noah etc died because siren stunned moran at p1, guess not 2RL :9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYPEhbRb9wg

[hollow lagoon]

Depends on the cubes

[shell hazel]

I don't think any cube gets that to 2RL

may depend on the CS more so

actually this should be 2RL but it doesn't feel like it's anywhere close to it?

I think I ran it like this

[north brook]

Bit more ca unit than sp

[cedar sorrel]

Ah okay

[spare nimbus]

I have 121% ammo on vesti, does she still need bastion?

[north brook]

Shes still good but in sp noise norm used instead to protect noah from siren stun

[high lava]

What does RL stand for?

For pvp

[north brook]

Each rl is an rl shot

2rl = team gets full gauge after the rocket launchers shoot twice

Its basically an ambiguation for relative speed

Its only possible to get 1rl with bugs or your opponent giving u extra burst gen for free

[ivory violet]

It's a unit of time

[high lava]

Oooooh i see what you mean now

[north brook]

So 2rl is usually the main fastest benchmark

Note charge speed changes how fast the units get off shots so better investment can mean your team is faster than ur opponents at same rl threshold

[rustic sandal]

So ideally, you want to burst as fast as possible within just 2 RL shots?

[ivory violet]

most of the time faster is better, but it can depend on your enemy's team comp too

[north brook]

Most fast teams will hit burst at 2rl shots yes

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon the outcome, funny how I started as I finished same losses 😄

my moran team def was not 2RL it feels like the cubes may have been missing, I was sure I'd set them right but I can't tell once they're running

[north brook]

Faster is pretty much always better, there are less than a handful of relevant slow comps and they all require high durability units

[shell hazel]

they ran as if they had no quantums on at all, which I suppose is possible I overlooked it

ah well, at least they can deal with moran guy next match, I'm sure I'd have lost in top 8 anyway

[hollow lagoon]

[wild hemlock]

What's the slow cindy setup? I tried p1 rumani and I just so happened to go against the 1 guy running siren and lost instantly in group stage partially cause of that

[north brook]

3rl comps are pretty easy to make, 2rl takes several batteries usually

[shell hazel]

my fav is blanc cindy mihara biscuit rumani

blanc it doesn't matter if she gets siren stun she escapes in time to B2

[wild hemlock]

Yeah that's what I had before. Wanted to try other one and lost instantly so that was unfortunate

[north brook]

That team will just lose to stun yes

[shell hazel]

my record on this comp is very good

[north brook]

Thats why its a ca comp not sp comp

[wild hemlock]

See the thing is majority of people don't run siren especially in top 8 in our bracket but I just happened to walk into that 1 random guy

[rustic sandal]

Man. I need Railtracer to rail my team and trace them together so I'd have a good defense team.

Nothing really changed with my team except the addition of VestiTU and xMaiden. Lemme find the old team he made for me.

[shell hazel]

my slow cindy in this format I mentioned has a very good win ratio for last few CA seasons

19 wins 2 losses

[rustic sandal]

SP arena

• naga grave cindy anis liter
• nayuta bsoda drake viper rh

you're lacking most of the pvp core units, i'll list them so you can consider wishlisting them, keep in mind at your synchro pve remains your priority

wishlist:

• noah, biscuit, jackal, vestiTU, trina, rumani, centi, helm (treasure), noise, scarlet

He made me 2 teams. And I just made a filler 3rd team with what I had. It did well. But I do think it needs just a tiny bit of improvement.

[north brook]

Ya the thing with the ca only comps is usually they will be on avg good but have a hard counter that easily wins, hence rng arena

[fast nest]

I think this is correct.

[shell hazel]

I can see it's not worked though 😄

[fast nest]

I remember someone mentioned lib's additional dmg is not activated againsit cindy

I saw your vid and I found lib additional attack was not there.

[shell hazel]

https://youtu.be/7jW6Tt55qn0?si=RuWiASsSx5ww3cLW&t=136
I beat a siren version of slow cindy here and you can see blanc getting stunned is no problem

[shell hazel]

actually that may be true, also HelmT used to gen less vs Cindy

if they didn't fix that then helm and lib both gen slower vs cindy

[fast nest]

omg

[wild hemlock]

Oh yeah I mean I usually run that variation. I lost to another cindy comp that was like 3rl or something. Rumani stunned and enemy cindy burst killed both of my b2's before stun expired

[shell hazel]

problem with rumani p1 is she gets stunned and you lose a ton of burst gen

where blanc not so much diff

I tried a few versions and this one worked best for me

and no risk of mihara b3 like I had with other ones

[fast nest]

This is the effect by liberalio's additional atk. In ur video, this didn't show up.
So, you lost 14% gen from here.(if with burst gen cube, then 14.5ish%)
The second picture is burst gauge at 2RL timing. It seems not-filled portion is more than around 14.5%.
It looks, as you said, HelmT also gen less.

[spare nimbus]

Is 121% ammo on vesti enough to remove bastion and swap for a better cube?

[shell hazel]

yeah just poor luck on matchup I guess :9

and them having siren meant it was doomed lol

[fast nest]

😭

[shell hazel]

we come back next CA anyway I'll adjust teams again prob

[fast nest]

SU was supposed to fix it earlier.

[shell hazel]

think they were supposed to fix a lot of things and prob haven't 😄

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna go to CA with 5 teams of blue and purple nikke

[fast nest]

How about filling one team only with Evangelion?

[gritty ridge]

I dont have eva

[dense kindle]

@umbral belfry It's done, i'm on my way 🥲

[radiant coral]

You will look back and miss crystal chamber once you reach Mirror Container

[umbral belfry]

finally

its been 6969 years

[dense kindle]

69 Nice , that was my plan

Now to give up at mc

[radiant storm]

Whats the recommended CS for Liberario for Pvp?

[raven plover]

||21||

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-we-out-peace-out-disappear-gif-15464202

[hollow lagoon]

Wot sync

[dense kindle]

415

[hollow lagoon]

That mirror container will be painful

[dense kindle]

It’s alright I’m just gonna wait for new chapters to come out and level far enough to clear easy

[fast nest]

Yeah. Park before MC and gather all core dust pack until new story open. Maximize efficacy.

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/rbu-HdFjIl0?si=qXqyhXiu9GN6lvK0

[quick lake]

Dont need. More than enough ammo. Would go for cs% cube imo

[spare nimbus]

should I just try and get 5.51% cs as well

[quick lake]

No breakpoints per se. As much as possible generally

[spare nimbus]

4atk 4ele 1cs 2ammo and what else?

[quick lake]

If u can Vesti often the limiting cs%, so as much cs as possible depending on build

[quick lake]

Up to u tbh
Im doing 4 atk 2 ele 2 ammo 2 cs 2 crit

Can possibly sacrifice ele for more atk/crit/cs also I think

[spare nimbus]

lol my vesti can't kill noah so I really need to fix her

[quick lake]

Yeah, some ele is nice

I havent tested whether mine is able to kill

[spare nimbus]

it's pretty embarrassing considering the dude is a lower sync than me by a bit

I'm 556 he's 531

[spare nimbus]

what is this

[quick lake]

[sharp lagoon]

Why cannot I attack anyone

[cunning crown]

you're suffering from success

[sharp lagoon]

[covert lintel]

Hope i make her in time for the next ca

[radiant storm]

@quick lake , @tropic summit can VestiTU 2RL team or Libe 2RL team win against Moran/Nero/Helm/Laplace/Rapu (2.5RL)

[quick lake]

Should be able to win. If opponent Moran is very tanky, ocassionally can lose

[covert lintel]

With libby definitely win
His rapun is in her range(p5)

[raven plover]

I never get harran dupe

[covert lintel]

You don't even wishlist her

[raven plover]

I do, well I feel like I only got 2 pilgrims so far after they release pilgrim wishlist

[quick lake]

Preparing for Harran treasure?

[covert lintel]

How can she get treasure when she's in heaven already

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-laugh-laughing-gif-10107777875102130969

[rustic sandal]

Defense team pls.

SPA

[gaunt pulsar]

i'm no rail, and your box is hard to work with cause lacking good b1 options, but here something

[shell hazel]

I'd probably throw in xmaiden instead of someone tbh

maybe instead of normal maiden

she's a much more useful unit to build for as well as she has good pve use for elec comp

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah could go in team 3 instead of any b3 sg, drake and soda hard to replace cause better cp, and in 1st not really need

[shell hazel]

I'd swap maiden for xmaiden

[gaunt pulsar]

that would be less pressure though, 3 sg could be a lesson to attacker, so idk

you can probably replace bsoda with xmaiden and place bsoda in p1 in team 3, should be better cp across teams like this

[rustic sandal]

Dang. Team 3 only has 60K+

[gaunt pulsar]

and other 2?

[rustic sandal]

100K each

101K and 109K

I'm willing to spend the bare minimum investment if needed.

[gaunt pulsar]

ic, yeah, it's what you have to deal with for now

[rustic sandal]

Sad. I'm already pulled to DIA 3.
But I'll manage.

[shell hazel]

not worth investing stuff you'll only use here really temporarily

especially the SG units, though you can use in solo raids as well they're normally a later thing to build

[rustic sandal]

How about cp padding using cubes?

[shell hazel]

you'll have to use higher cp units and suffer on speed like adding alice somewhere

low cp will just get you killed in other ways

aim for 2 OK teams and 1 cp pad/slow af team with nayuta tanking p1

[rustic sandal]

Man. Everyone's just so lucky with PvP units. I'm stuck in a limbo where I want out of 160 and want more units as well. I keep getting nothing but dupes.

[shell hazel]

you'll probably have to learn to use the nikke deck site yourself a bit because Rail is out of the office

so he can't cook you teams and not many have the appetite for doing it

[rustic sandal]

Idek how PvP teambuilding works apart from "make sure you burst faster than the enemy".

[shell hazel]

auto burst works left to right same as auto pve mode for bursting

so you need to consider position of units, most opponents aim for p1 unit, so you don't want to put your only b1 at p1

play around with the deck, the burst gen and speed is calculated for you https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[gaunt pulsar]

there isn't much you have to keep track of

• order of units so you correctly burst
• overall speed of your team
• learn what positions your units shoot when you defending
• learn what you can tank with basically and how much
• leave possibilities for yourself to burst even if you lose p1 and p2

[shell hazel]

also watch the battles

because you can see why you win or lose better then

[gaunt pulsar]

^

[rustic sandal]

I don't wanna see myself getting dogged.

[shell hazel]

if you don't watch you'll never learn

[short plaza]

how do you rewatch battles? is that for champ arena only?

[shell hazel]

as you've probably seen most people won't just cook for you on demand here, the main pvpers probably get tired of doing it 😄

[gaunt pulsar]

use rookie as testing ground, especially relevant when you cannot climb to the top or bored sitting there

[shell hazel]

you can't watch old ones, only as it happens

if you accidentally quick battle there is a replay button bottom left that let's you watch it then

[short plaza]

oh I see

[rustic sandal]

Man... I'll try.