pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

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[severe tundra]

"The enemy of my enemy is Railtracer"
-Sun Tzu probably

[tulip quest]

I don't think swiping harder makes it rain cash when there isn't anything inside anymore

[river dune]

How to defeat this guy?

[quick lake]

almost 100 sync diff and u're within cp range

Opponent teams are quite bad.
Any of the teams in pins should win them all

2RL Scar Trina
2RL Noise Cindy
2RL Vesti
2RL Liberalio

Just as long as within cp range

[glad meteor]

Sync 646 max core rh with only r doll

Midhood

[river dune]

Then how about this one?

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit im the bottom team and in 27% ish deficit, how did i win

[swift mango]

Call me to build those instead so you don't have to self fire.

All I see is that Japan doesn't have SSR but 5* instead.

I only care if it's Clip RL at this point. Clip SG I would need to be B2 defender.

[fierce totem]

got it, so basically need to CP pad now

[swift mango]

Nah, that's how they do Anti Arena discord counseling.

[shell hazel]

get Vesti TU btw you miss her

[fierce totem]

yea i regret no using tickets on her, gotta try via regular banner 🙁

[misty finch]

Any recs for improving my teams? Noah and thelm are 17% cs

Roster

[onyx scaffold]

your teams look so random

team 1 actually makes sense but easily countered

hmmm

not as bad as i think

[onyx scaffold]

try this site https://nikke-deck.web.app/ ?

[misty finch]

The idea was scar jackal, vesti imdom and fast cindy

[onyx scaffold]

not that fast

[misty finch]

This just does charge times but i don’t really know how to use the new units

[onyx scaffold]

u need 15% cs on rumani too

[misty finch]

Damn

What should I change?

[onyx scaffold]

no idea. i haven't done pvp for awhile

dead spa

when making teams. u need to know your speed
then imagine what your opponents use to beat you

like your team 1 can be nuke by scarlet or cindy + noah/blanc
team 3 noah can be killed pre burst with vesti ig

[quick lake]

Check pins for teams

[misty finch]

Yeah I used them but they’re getting beat now

Maybe I just build soda or something😔

[quick lake]

Soda is a pain to deal with if ur opponent is running them too

[misty finch]

Do you have any idea for how to improve my teams?

I’ve switched helmt to the cindy team

I might build up some PvP only units too if they’re good for SP

[quick lake]

Nero moran not built I assume

Gimme a sec

[misty finch]

Yeah not built

[onyx scaffold]

emilia can be replaced by liberalio

[misty finch]

Really I thought Emilia charged more 🤔

[onyx scaffold]

do u have her? use her if u own her

[misty finch]

No whole bracket doesn’t have her

[shell hazel]

ny selector incoming also in about a month

[misty finch]

Not having the keripo tierlist anymore is such a pain 😔

[misty finch]

What does the text say

[onyx scaffold]

it says "have a nice day"

i dont read cn.

[misty finch]

Do you think any out of Nero / Moran, bayT/PoliT, Rosanna or soda are worth building?

[ivory mango]

@tropic summit pls new def teams onegai

[misty finch]

And team 2 would I want to put mermaid p1 to not die to opp mermaid?

[quick lake]

Or this too

[misty finch]

What about team 3?

[shell hazel]

moran can be good - she's tanky and a defender but slow burst gen so needs good batteries
bayT can be good - mostly as anti-nuke on attack though you probably won't want to run her on def
rosanna can be good - attack or def option with b1 nuke and extra burst gen if someone dies
soda - low priority mostly troll/stun RNG option
I wouldn't build PoliT here or Nero for SPA usage tbh

[quick lake]

Soda is worth it. Great for attacks. But if ur bracket starts to use Soda on their defence, it gets reallyyy annoying. So I wouldnt introduce Soda in ur defence tbh

[quick lake]

Just auto or throw something tgt. Maybe all ur SG + CP units

[shell hazel]

all these units fit kind of niche use cases

you'd be better served building your main non-niche batteries to a good level

[quick lake]

And increase their CP. Some units cp seems low

Nero and Moran is decent, but is expensive. Both almost 7/10/10 with SR15, ideally with dupes. Need a rapunzel with cs% lines as well

[misty finch]

Yeah it’s weird they’re all ol0 with like 2 lines per piece but randomly some of them are just really low CO

[shell hazel]

you won't use nero on def necessarily gets beaten by vesti TU or lib nuke etc

[quick lake]

For reference, this an unorthodox defence im running that has seen decent success

[shell hazel]

and is expensive as well

better to buff up stuff like rumani jackal noah centi blanc etc

[quick lake]

Nero Moran team wants a good Nero, Moran and Rapunzel to work decently, so that's 3 units at high skil levels, and sr15 doll

[nimble swan]

Im stealing it and see if this can hold

[quick lake]

Hopefully it works

[nimble swan]

I literally tried almost everything and can’t hold C1

[quick lake]

Yeah, defence always near impossible

[shell hazel]

is your noah siren resistant on t2? if not I'd just siren it

[misty finch]

Like do the extra skill levels and OL lines really matter that much 😔

[quick lake]

Yeah, more than 11% there whew

[nimble swan]

There’s only one guy but he beat everything so far. There were a few days when he had teoubles but eventually found his way through

[shell hazel]

that is heavily CS required then, need to ensure noah can b2 before siren

if you copy it you'll need enough CS on your units

[quick lake]

True

[shell hazel]

for dps like scarlet yes it can do

for rumani no not so much

scar and ros etc need enough atk to be good

[nimble swan]

But all RL/SR needs minimum CS req to put Noah in P1, right?

[shell hazel]

11% CS yeah

can double check it on nikke.top

[nimble swan]

Even for RLs?

[shell hazel]

yes

[quick lake]

As in, u just need team wide 11% cs to avoid siren stun for Noah's b2

[shell hazel]

you can flex around your batteries with CS to do it maybe

[nimble swan]

Ah i see ook

[shell hazel]

if you have some with and some without CS

like my centi is 15% but my trina is like 5% 😄

[misty finch]

Moreso just the CP difference between the units

[nimble swan]

I was rather unlucky with default CS rolls on batteries, so I only have rumani, noah, helm and lib with cs req

[shell hazel]

you don't want to over-commit on every unit tbh

[misty finch]

Like this is a bit of an oof

[shell hazel]

nano if you have open blabla I can run a report on your nikkes from blabla link later when I get home see what your invests are like

may help you to see what to work on next

will be about 6 hours from now

[quick lake]

Honestly just run 2 strong teams is better. Ur third left over team would be killed by Scar/Vesti/Cindy either way

[nimble swan]

Btw hippo, when u were fighting Booba, were you able to defend sometimes, or it was endless loop of defeat -> attack back?

[quick lake]

Run like 5x SG, so you bait ur opponent to waste their Scar Jack there, then make ur other teams resistant to the remaining units

[misty finch]

Damn you’d think I’d be able to field 3 good teams at lvl 400 thought 😔

[quick lake]

But yeah, if ur opponent is savy, all defence will be cracked

[shell hazel]

had the odd defence, even several in a row but I have no idea how or why

they probably screwed up

I also copied their defence once and it beat them for one round as well which was funny

[misty finch]

I think they only recently learnt the quick swap team feature so it should be fine 😭

[quick lake]

unforuntately not. I think I only start semi-investing into pvp ard ur sync too. "Completed" my investment at like sync 560+ (i started pvp qiute late though)

[misty finch]

How tf do you use blabla

[nimble swan]

Hmm. This guy clearly isn’t going for C1. He doesn’t do CA.
His only goal is pissing me off.
We are together for almost a year now and he is kinda my arch enemy

[misty finch]

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtMTYyNDgzMDkwODE4NzI4MzIyMTk%3D&openid=MjkwODAtMTYyNDgzMDkwODE4NzI4MzIyMTk%3D

Nope that’s not right

[shell hazel]

no that looks good I think

[nimble swan]

Doesn’t matter what position i’m in, he always attacks me…
Mental illness level

[misty finch]

Oh ok cool

[quick lake]

Could try some funky Nayuta + RH nuke

[shell hazel]

I'll run some stuff for you later, ping me 6 hours from now if I froget 🙂

[misty finch]

Ight ye might be closer to 8 hours I’m in a weird time zone

Tbh I probs need help with investing in campaign and raid units too 😔

[nimble swan]

Well, I might just try that at this point

[shell hazel]

tbh to some degree once you have SPA units kind of done you may want to invest more for pve/raid than more niche pvp units, unless you're in CA (and even then it's kind of RNG mode anyway) you likely won't be able to build everyone for both modes

still worth checking the core ones

[quick lake]

oh lmao, brid is not clipSG

Sleeperinos

[glad meteor]

Is 16 ammo enough for 2rl indom to not reload

Vesti

[hollow lagoon]

Yes

[quick lake]

barely enough iirc

[glad meteor]

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/planktons-army-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-i-can't-read-can’t-read-gif-15669249772939774248

[quick lake]

i also cant read

[glad meteor]

Does anyone have vesti indom vid

Where she doesn’t have enough dmg to kill

[tulip quest]

That's kinda rarer than Vesti wiping every1

[quick lake]

Only against Nero Moran, if Moran is super tanky afaik

[glad meteor]

#pvp-arena message

Need bastion

[quick lake]

Weak Vesti

[tulip quest]

That's rare also it's the same as vs an unupgraded Vesti no OL or lines

[glad meteor]

Moran noah bisc

[tulip quest]

Could hold I think tho not sure if wont die

[glad meteor]

I’ve failed to kill moran with vesti against moran noah with indom. But didn’t record

Sync diff issue

[tulip quest]

Yea Vesti on burst ignores 50% of defense because of true damage

Hard for Vesti to lose on moran in normal circumstances

[glad meteor]

I was winning completely fine to it just stopped one day

[radiant storm]

@tropic summit how to bypass this team without using Mihara/Nayuta comp

[tulip quest]

Synch diff maybe

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-rosanna-nikke-goddess-of-victory-mafia-boss-gif-2757100756062724309

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-sorcery-icicles-duke-of-weselton-gif-16946370

[quartz vortex]

dont now why but ive never managed to beat this guy

[hollow lagoon]

Think dis can do the job?

[hollow lagoon]

Both of your teams are kinda cringy but atleast ur opponent has aoe

[quartz vortex]

my team is 2rl tho

[glad meteor]

Rh is single target dps so it takes more time to kill

[hollow lagoon]

Yeah and ur single target ur redhood’s gonna shoot his jackal for 10 seconds while his rapi blows ur Noah and redhood to kingdom come

And then ur just dead

[quartz vortex]

i could replace her with sbs

[hollow lagoon]

Then you might win

[glad meteor]

You have blanc?

[quartz vortex]

its mainly in case noah dies

shes the b2

yeah i have blanc

[hollow lagoon]

Why don’t u just do a 2 rl lib nuke

They don’t even have Noah

[quartz vortex]

my lib has like 1 or 2 ovrload piece

[hollow lagoon]

Scarletnuke?

[quartz vortex]

same there

[glad meteor]

Scalter blanc helmt centi jackal should win

[quartz vortex]

if i want to keep noah off dying is it better to use endurance or vigor?

[hollow lagoon]

If u wan Noah to not die it’s better to biscuit

[glad meteor]

Noah bisc helm rh jackal shoulf even win

Jackal has no doll

[glad meteor]

This wont win

[hollow lagoon]

Anything with a aoe nuke and jackal that keep the b3 unit not dead should in theory win

[raven plover]

[hollow lagoon]

Ty good sir

[tulip quest]

Jackal can tank red hood for days becuase of biscuilt passive INVUL 5 SEC and it triggers 2x

[tulip quest]

but SBS has no damage if jackal has INVUL?

[hollow lagoon]

I forgot how distributed dmg works

[tulip quest]

It shares damage to all Jackal P1 so if biscuit passive activates 0 damage shared to all is 0 damage

[hollow lagoon]

Oh well then

[tulip quest]

Scarlet wipe would be good

just have to kill the carry

[hollow lagoon]

What if rosana break jackal link?

[tulip quest]

Jackal can't win matches alone

[tulip quest]

hmm haven't tested that

but Rossana prioritize attacker I think

[quartz vortex]

so a burst team would work better against them?

[hollow lagoon]

That’s fine rosana just need to dispell link

[tulip quest]

I scarlet Jackal good

Rossana scarlet also good

with jackal

he uses biscuit as P2 no shield

[hollow lagoon]

@quartz vortex do u have Cinderella?

[quartz vortex]

not yet

[tulip quest]

yea cindy also good

[quartz vortex]

what does she do?

[tulip quest]

just a wiper

team will kill that

[hollow lagoon]

She makes me thirsty but that’s besides the point

[glad meteor]

She targets lowest defence. Depends if jackal has lowest defence i think biscuit will so she can die

[hollow lagoon]

@quartz vortex better make that lib/scarlet not bricked

[tulip quest]

Yea better Lib I think

[hollow lagoon]

Can’t give solutions if u don’t have tools to solve the problem

[tulip quest]

both PVP AND PVE WORTH investing

[quartz vortex]

yeah im working on lib

need that glove and boots to drop tho

[tulip quest]

Noah Lib RH HELMT Jackal

even if lib is not strong will still wipe

[quartz vortex]

at least i got her all her skills to 10

might actually work

[hollow lagoon]

Friggen lunatic

[tulip quest]

thats good enuf RH will buff her

[hollow lagoon]

2ol on a 10/10/10

[tulip quest]

good enuf

with RH

[hollow lagoon]

I know

Unless it’s like boots chest ol kek

But it prob still will kill

[quartz vortex]

to be fair i think its fine since ill be getting her up anyways right

ripping that band aid off early

[hollow lagoon]

U have to be a lunatic if u have lib and not invest

[tulip quest]

Well Rookie just for testing comps

better test there than in SPA where you lose gems each mistake

[hollow lagoon]

For the upcoming ca

Do I go for cursed, or turbo cursed

[tulip quest]

I always have different comp I wanna test on C.A

more fun for me that way

rewards MEH anyways

[hollow lagoon]

I want the next win frame eventually

If I get it I can cosplay Morgoth

[quartz vortex]

also bastion is better than resilience for pvp right?

[hollow lagoon]

Depends on context and build

And unit

[tulip quest]

Resilience for most units

like RL n stuff

[lone sequoia]

onlyif you are low on ammo for indom fights or you need some units to attack at some point in long fights

most of the time the highest cube lvl is better

[hollow lagoon]

If u wanna invest a single cube only (bad idea btw) you can go resil

[lone sequoia]

all the cubes at7- then 11~13 for resi or bastion and tempering then you wait, easy but resi as lv15 cube work in pve for more units and is fine in pvp

[tulip quest]

Resilience - Bastion - Destruction 7 N other cubes -Damage% my rating for relevance PVE AND PVP

[lone sequoia]

destruction was pierce or parts dmg?

[hollow lagoon]

I raise my resil bastion and destruction equally

[tulip quest]

yea

7 is okay for that

[hollow lagoon]

I cheesed way too many things with destruction

[lone sequoia]

which one? right now i'm trying to make teams with assist cube

[hollow lagoon]

Destruction is parts

[tulip quest]

aight gl discussion boiss me out

[quartz vortex]

do i open a selector for lib?

[hollow lagoon]

I envision pierce being a good cube eventually but is kind young most people can just make do with higher level cube and not lose out as much

[quartz vortex]

im thinking

[lone sequoia]

there are no selector for lib (?

[quartz vortex]

gear

[tulip quest]

yea u shud

she's META

[hollow lagoon]

Give me a reason you shouldent

[quartz vortex]

its my last one

[tulip quest]

RAPI RH, Cindy, SBS, Lib

[lone sequoia]

yeah, she is a good unit, i hate it but she work in pvp

[tulip quest]

Meta dps even in neutral elements

[lone sequoia]

SU f-cked the game with cindy bug and now again with lib base dmg

[hollow lagoon]

Ur next meta unit is new years anis, look at ur tetra gear list

[tulip quest]

and you will 100% use Lib in SPA

They said they will FULL burst

DECEMBER

[quartz vortex]

i thought annis wasgoing to be overspec

[hollow lagoon]

Nah man we should tell @quartz vortex to not invest lib, that way his solo raid dmg will be bad and pasta us better Lel

[tulip quest]

Hey at least they 2x her Burst damage XD

FROM X6 hits to x12

[lone sequoia]

power up probably, not a overspec- (in terms of main story)

[tulip quest]

Mine is core 5 cindy ady XD

[tulip quest]

Bro thats over spec she uses Miniature railgun from Ark

[lone sequoia]

naa, the double dmg on cindy burst make all the next units get more dmg, at this point they can just delete old units and DEF stat

[tulip quest]

Defense stat only relevant on Moran XD

[hollow lagoon]

I’m okay with more Cindy glazing

[lone sequoia]

but that is not the meaning of overspec

still a 1% banner

[tulip quest]

GOTTA SAVE for new year

[hollow lagoon]

Cindy’s kinda mid to play, need a rework to make her shoot straight with actual instant landing lazers

[lone sequoia]

i hope they nerf her dmg, same for lib

[tulip quest]

she's not for manual play just let ai use her

[quartz vortex]

i doubt we'll be in the same bracket tho i only started playing during stellar blade event

[hollow lagoon]

But Cindy butt

[hollow lagoon]

Are you on global?

[quartz vortex]

yeah

na is global right

[hollow lagoon]

I’m sorry to say we are same bracket

Oh na is na, na is not global

We are not same bracket

[lone sequoia]

to make anis overspec they can cheat saying the ark got technology from the surface (eden) and that is why anis get the overspec tag, but eden technology is just ark old cancelled projects

[hollow lagoon]

Well know when she’s released

I’m leaning towards she’s overspec just cuz SU can’t be bothered with coming up with a new term for her to be a 1% unit

[quartz vortex]

well at least shes got 3 pieces now

[hollow lagoon]

can u imagine ur pilgrim mold thing being called pilgrim/overspec/overclocked/overboosted mold in the future

[quartz vortex]

les hope that the spider drops me a pair of boots

[lone sequoia]

yeah, remember they changed the date of old events to make the story gaps more reasonable, the time is not right for the lady in soline event

[hollow lagoon]

looks like we'll have a official timeline of events next update

[lone sequoia]

rgb

i was having fun attacking a cn guy in my sp bracket, he used to change DEF teams every day but now just push lvls

[quartz vortex]

btw is it worth to try to get laplace treasure?

[hollow lagoon]

non priority

helm treasure first

[quartz vortex]

helm is done already

[hollow lagoon]

lib doll maxed?

[quartz vortex]

yeah

it was only the gear missing

[hollow lagoon]

mmm

lets see ur boxc

[lone sequoia]

laplace is like a clip RL +laser unit really good for burst gen

i would say campaign units need SR15 first then you go for key units in pve/pvp

helmT-tove- drake(but brid is fire SG)-laplace- the rest of treasure units

[quick lake]

Focus on pvE

[hollow lagoon]

Tove treasure done as well Eah, Laplace treasure if fair

[lone sequoia]

what is your campaign team?

[hollow lagoon]

Looks like hood Nayuta Rapi Sbs Lib

[quartz vortex]

thisnusually but i can swap units out

[hollow lagoon]

Personally feel like u can max rapi doll

Rapi more used

Than Laplace in pve

[quartz vortex]

i was saving it incase there a good treasure unit that comes out

[lone sequoia]

then you can wait for the next update(?

but those can wait, you only need the dupe

campaign push is critical

[hollow lagoon]

rapi prob get banner rerun

gonna prob pull her a bit to core 3 or 4

[quartz vortex]

worth try to get dupes?

[hollow lagoon]

rapi?

absolutely lol

[lone sequoia]

if you need her or use in campaign/solo raid

1 copy is enough

[hollow lagoon]

low cp rapi= low pushing tho

[quartz vortex]

how much increase is each dupe anyone knows?

[hollow lagoon]

if u dont plan to spend too much mlb is the typical recommendation

[lone sequoia]

as a f2p i have dupe problems; sync cap (dupes) and cp against the whales in my sp bracket, but those are just a problem because i'm day 1

[hollow lagoon]

if u dont wanna spend at all then dont pull her since u have her

[lone sequoia]

is like 2% stats boost per core, should be a bit less for lb

similar to cp

[quartz vortex]

i think im like casual spender ill get something from time to time

i think this team looks a bit better now

[shell hazel]

well if you think about it unless the treasure unit somehow power creeps rapi then you should max rapi out for your campaign

[quartz vortex]

well did and done it

[shell hazel]

we'll get a new solo raid soon, so will get more doll mats

[quartz vortex]

hopefully i get some purple ones

keep getting them blues

[lone sequoia]

R15 is fine for most units, you only need the cp

and the stats don't change a lot to SR5

[quartz vortex]

oh

i got it to 15 lmao

[lone sequoia]

R15=SR5≠SR15

[tropic summit]

that's a team you generally skip, noise noah biscuit and helmt in the same team means the other 2 teams are far more weak

although if you badly need to face it, vestiTU + rosanna will kill vestiTU from the enemy side, making that team weak on their DPS after shield is down

[lone sequoia]

@tropic summit can you check the other pvp channel and think about the teams i said?

[tropic summit]

uh which one? link it here if you wanna

[shell hazel]

Rapi is worth SR-15 imo

same for most meta campaign units like Crown etc

more CP = more potential progress, won't be wasted as you use them a lot

[quartz vortex]

damm whens that crown banner need her so bad

[lone sequoia]

fire weak solo raid this month

[quartz vortex]

every team i look up has her in

[slate falcon]

Bro won against me once and thought I’d let it happen again

[quartz vortex]

good thing my strongest unit is alice

btw can i sit on sr5 for sdorothy?

[quick lake]

sdoro mostly for pve sure. Sr5 is fine. Better to focus on ur core campaign units

[shell hazel]

I dislike using Alice too manual/fast click etc

what is your normal campaign team?

[quartz vortex]

it weird how im max charge speed with her but still need to hold it for a bit

this for pure cp

[shell hazel]

rapi is better as a b3 most of the time but I guess you may not have siren?

lib/sbs may do better than alice/sbs long term if you have her

guessing the helmT is treasured here?

[quartz vortex]

yeah

i guess i could swap in for lib once shes got those boots

and i guess i also have to lvl up the ol gear

[shell hazel]

yes, cp does matter

[quartz vortex]

rip no boot today either

[shell hazel]

you can get t9m selector from doing the co-op mode when it comes up

at 200 you can swap for any item/class

[quartz vortex]

yeah ive been buying some 80 left

[shell hazel]

useful for the odd slot you need

I don't +5 max OL my gear yet, too expensive. +2 or +3 on the main units for now

so gear +5, add a rock to OL, then +2 or +3 is relatively cheap. For off units I'll not use much I probably just +0 em

[quartz vortex]

i wasted some mats on the boots cuz back then i thought to be able to get 3 lines you needed to have lvl 5 😭

[shell hazel]

instead it's rock hell 😄

[quartz vortex]

i was farming kraken during the anni event so that helped

whens x2 coming back

i need it

[shell hazel]

we get 4 weekends of it in a row basically all this month

[quartz vortex]

i thought it was a weekly thing

guess i was wrong

[shell hazel]

no that would be nice

it's usually on events

[quartz vortex]

new regular character event doesnt count?

[shell hazel]

no

colabs/anni etc

in this case winter event, anything a bit more out of the ordinary I suppose

[ripe aurora]

X2 drops should be the base rates anyway.
Game's way too stingy with mats

[shell hazel]

how else will they make 🐳 spend $100 for 40 rocks?

[ripe aurora]

By bumping it to 60 rocks.
Whales gonna whale

[shell hazel]

but they're less likely to buy them to begin with

[quartz vortex]

buying mats always felt like dumb to me

[shell hazel]

I think at a minimum 3 runs of kraken s7 should always give a single rock minimum, doing 3 runs and getting 0 bonus rocks just feels sucky and it happens quite a bit

the crates aside

[slate falcon]

Could a team like this work?

[shell hazel]

the crates are trade off for direct gear crates so wouldn't count

[quartz vortex]

rip my peak kraken is still stage 4

damm 4rl and a shotgun is 2.5

[tropic summit]

unprotected noah is a bad choice, SG feed is a bad choice

[slate falcon]

If put biscuit in there over SAnise and swap her position with Maiden could it work then?

[tropic summit]

siren weak

noise noah cindy biscuit rumani, 2.5RL

with noise taunt priority

that's the passable cindy team you can aim for with those units

[slate falcon]

Im running this team currently but I’m just trying to see if I can spread out my units a bit.

[tropic summit]

change archetype then

if that team is siren/SG weak it loses purpose

[slate falcon]

I see.

[tropic summit]

make it 2RL moran noah instead in case

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit he's strangely insistent to run s.anis there

im guessing I just do noah biscuit vesti hood rumani for round 3 and the rosanna misdom team for round 2

[shell hazel]

you going for a sniperooni given it's last day of SPA season today?

[lone sequoia]

last day?

i already used my free hits xd

[leaden canyon]

Just a counter snipe incase he goes after me because he usually hits too early to snipe

hes in first place right now. he knocked the mega whale down

mega whale will hit back because he only logs in once a day

[shell hazel]

yep is last day today, ends at reset

[lone sequoia]

no emi?

[leaden canyon]

I have emi

[twilit bay]

What are the best SP teams now? I have pretty much everyone built and have a good amount of cs on most batteries
This is what I was using right now (made before the anniversary):
Blanc/ Mihara/ Rumani/ Biscuit/ Cindy
Scarlet/ Rosanna/ Trina/ Centi/ Jackal
Moran/ Noah/ Vesti/ Helm/ Laplace

[tropic summit]

again CP gapping? i guess t2 and t3 win

[covert lintel]

i have a higher level than him but my cp is lower than him

[tropic summit]

can refer to these
#pvp-arena message

prefer 2RL and 2.5RL teams and those teams that make use of your highest CP (invested) units

[covert lintel]

My highest cp

[twilit bay]

I've heard that Nayuta is really good, but none of the teams there seem to feature her. Is she not worth running in SP?

[tropic summit]

she's really good... on attack

on defense you can either kite or indom against her

her burst gen is crappy and she feeds, so that's also an advantage for the attacker, while if used as main B2 she takes away the chance of having a noah or a bay or a blanc in that team

[twilit bay]

I see, thank you. Though that Nayuta and Liberalio would have stirred things up, but it seems like that's only true in champs.

[tropic summit]

they do, but on attack

as for CA, nayuta adds value to slow cindy / SG teams, liberalio can be a direct counter situationally to slow cindy and some teams that lack lethal

[hollow hamlet]

What would be a good team to attack EmmaTU/EunhwaTU/VestiTU/Siren/Cindy?

[quick lake]

Those are good teams imo. I replaced Scar teams with libby nowadays

SPA teams are still the same few

[quick lake]

Noah biscuit cindy 2rl

[slate falcon]

I wanna say hello to my 2nd place holder, could I beat any of their teams? (I just want to say hello before the 2week reset is up).

[quick lake]

Definitely possible

T1: Noah Noise Cindy 2rl
T2: Use ur at T1

As long within cp range, should be possible

[slate falcon]

Like this? But think this 3rl not sure

[twilit bay]

Something like this:
Jackal/ Lib/ Maiden/ Emilia/ Bay instead of Scarlet?
Not sure how to make it 2RL (with nuke protection) without also rearranging my other teams.

[quick lake]

cp gapped, and wants 2rl

[quick lake]

Honestly ur current teams are fine

Food for thought

[slate falcon]

How to make it 2rl(with pic I showed )

[twilit bay]

I'll give it a try thanks.
Only reason I wanted to change them is because someone finally broke through after attacking for over a month.

[quick lake]

Noah Trina Biscuit Cindy THelm

Then replace T1 THelm with Centi or rumani

[slate falcon]

No B1?

[quick lake]

Oops, replace trina with rumani

[slate falcon]

Didn’t work they still burst first

Can Moran tank Scar?

[glad meteor]

but isnt it 2rl vs 2rl

[hollow hamlet]

ada and jackal it is, i'll try after reset. thanks!

[slate falcon]

Oh wait i just rewatched Rumani died before she got to burst

[glad meteor]

wdf

[slate falcon]

Yeah

[glad meteor]

Yeah, Cindy prob bisc s2

Its prob deficit

[slate falcon]

Most likely

[glad meteor]

Technically this is a p2 cindy moment

[slate falcon]

How would the positioning look like?

[glad meteor]

Noah cindy bisc helmt rumani?

[quick lake]

Weird p4 targeting these days

[gritty ridge]

Hey rheax youre smart right?

[quick lake]

im ok

[glad meteor]

Scar s2

[slate falcon]

Is there any chance I beat their SG team?

[gritty ridge]

Can you analyze a match for me? I dont know how i won

[glad meteor]

Nayuta in p5

[quick lake]

sure

[glad meteor]

Then build around that in case of rosa aoe and dispel

[slate falcon]

This my first time facing a good SG team idk how to build around it

[gritty ridge]

Sg is fairly simple to counter

[quick lake]

is it not just you being the slower indom?

[timber depot]

someone gemming to take C1 with 4h left on season 🥹

[glad meteor]

Since they using anchor. Something like this works as long as nayuta doesn’t have higher atk to be dispelled

But check cp

[quick lake]

Hmm both close to 2.5rl. Opponent feed might not have bumped u to 2rl though

[hollow hamlet]

I had someone go after me earlier in 8th place... but lineup change stopped that.

[slate falcon]

Def a cp gap

[slate falcon]

Not if it’s your first time facing a good one🥀

[timber depot]

yeah the only point is for my score but they already have #2 secured and I have #1 secured, its just spending gems for the love of the game 😭

[quick lake]

In the first place should avoid blanc vs blanc matchups where possible. U can see that u were slightly less than 2rl @gritty ridge

[glad meteor]

[gritty ridge]

That just happens to be my only team that can hit 27% deficit

I took a potshot at him to see if I can win, we're unionmates so im not trying to farm him or anything

[quick lake]

but yeah, abit of rng match up

[gritty ridge]

Its 3 for 3 atm, he wanted to see if it was rng as well

[quick lake]

U have 20 bullets from blanc,
and 5-6 bullets from the other units, so that doesnt push u to 2rl
technically

[glad meteor]

Centi barely took dmg

[gritty ridge]

Blanc doesnt hit my link at all?

If I had a link p1 I would die

[quick lake]

Oh ya. thats even worse, so u’re not 2rl

So its u being 2.5 vs opponent 2.5rl. and u happen to indom second and won

[slate falcon]

Treasure Centi maybe?

[glad meteor]

Did you put cs on their vesti

[gritty ridge]

I have more vesti cs than him

Ive directly compared, I have potentially the best vesti in my time bracket

[glad meteor]

But as long as its 2rl vs 2rl, just depends who has better timing when indom ends because vesti isnt a automatic weapon

[gritty ridge]

Would ein indom work as well in deficit?

[slate falcon]

Thoughts?

[radiant coral]

Absolutely not

[glad meteor]

Deficit

[timber depot]

is champion arena based on placement or points placement

[radiant coral]

Points

[timber depot]

figured just wanted to check ty

[slate falcon]

How about now?

[glad meteor]

You’re forced to tank scar , and they’re 1rl

[slate falcon]

Im on my last leg here

[glad meteor]

They’re 1rl

Can’t p1 Cindy

And still in deficit

[slate falcon]

Sigh…

[lyric dirge]

What can counter Noah Biscuit Cindy Siren and Helm T.?

[ivory violet]

Well idk your box but a 2rl team with a siren to stun Noah works. The problem with that comp is that it's slow to burst so you can just stun noah and nuke him before he gets to burst

[lyric dirge]

Thanks i’ll try it out

[quartz vortex]

i could burst him? hes 4rl

[lyric dirge]

It worked thanks! I used Siren Scar trina helmT. and jackal and it countered perfectly

[hollow lagoon]

@umbral belfry stole my rocks again

[shell hazel]

I only had 1 rock today so I think @umbral belfry and @tropic summit both conspired to take my rocks as well

[versed mesa]

You guys get rocks?

[misty finch]

🥺

[shell hazel]

I was actually running that before your message came in 😄

[misty finch]

Massive thanks 🙏

[shell hazel]

Noise 4/4/7 budget build, so you need some more skills there

7/7/10 eventually https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/noise

Biscuit also 4/4/7 budget build but I took mine to 4/7/10 https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/characters/biscuit

her burst I don't think is that critical, I'd maybe 4/7/7 her instead

[misty finch]

Really don’t you mostly just use her for the imdom yeah

And burst is just for s.anis which I don’t think I’ve seen for a while

[shell hazel]

her skill 2 is for her hp recovery, the invincible duration is the same at 4 I believe

[kindred blade]

Can Helm replace RH here for a faster team? She's 7/10/10. Or is the CP lost is too much?

[shell hazel]

Trina burst to 7 also should be done, you do actually use that for scarlet team

[misty finch]

Yeah idk if the extra hp regen is worth though

[shell hazel]

can leave biscuit, but noise burst is def used and so is trina

so getting both to 7 would be good

[misty finch]

Ight

Do you think I should SR 15 a bunch of my supports too I have a bunch of doll mats

[shell hazel]

otherwise I think many are OK on less invest like centi and noah etc still work at 4/5 skills

[shell hazel]

for pvp or pve?

[misty finch]

Both but I think I’ve SR 15ed the good campaign units already

[shell hazel]

for pvp ones it would mainly be units that take hits more or purely cp gains

[misty finch]

Yeah like I could SR15 all the clip RLs maybe

[shell hazel]

jackal and noah have good value here for this, you run them in all the pvp modes and they won't get crept out soon imo

noise is often tanking a bit as well so also good

don't forget though 1 month away from new 1% unit so you'll want to keep some stuff for that

and the winter limited are a maybe also but even if they're good I can't build them atm

[misty finch]

Yeah

I really do have a bunch of mats to spend though 😭

[shell hazel]

that is quite a lot

you should finish 10/10/10 helm then

nayuta would warrant a 10/10/10 as well imo

see how stuff looks after SR-15 on jackal/noah

anyone you run a lot in SPA is at least OK value here

[misty finch]

Ight

[misty finch]

10/7/10 good enough for nayuta or is she worth 10 skill 2?

[shell hazel]

nayuta 10/10/10 as I said

[late tiger]

i wasted 5.9k gems of a gemmer this season and 1.4k of it today

[misty finch]

Aren’t the self buffs from skill 2 kinda mid though🤔

Is she that good

[shell hazel]

is meta pilgrim may as well, you can hold a bit on skill 2 for now and 10/7/10 but I just 10/10/10 mine lol

[late tiger]

i take more pride and fun of it than the 3rd spot i could get nowadays, which is rice

[hollow lagoon]

lol i only had the pity

[misty finch]

Yeah I might hold off for now I still haven’t used her that much right now

[misty finch]

Ight everything besides nayuta skill 2 done

What now 🤔

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-early-birthday-now-gimmee-gif-15731324811646516558

[misty finch]

Do u want the link again or just roster or smth?

[umbral belfry]

3 days were up

[shell hazel]

you could up your other common clip RL to SR-15

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

the ones you actually use

[shell hazel]

I didn't even get 3 days

centi/trina/blanc etc all add cp to SR-15 them

[misty finch]

Guessing building anis not particularly worth it?

[umbral belfry]

you gotta win ca again to be free for 3 days

[shell hazel]

s.anis?

[misty finch]

Sr anis

[shell hazel]

not for SPA only imo

[misty finch]

I remembered Blanc was about a tier on the keripo list did vesti alt make her a lot better?

[shell hazel]

you'd be better served building say Moran instead

than building SR anis

blanc is used for her indom ability, useful option for arena

you could also SR-15 mihara though it's not great on MG units, probably fire raid next

mine is stuck on SR-5 atm

[misty finch]

Yeah she’d probs just be for raid yeah

[shell hazel]

for mihara mostly yes but she actually works well in any raid

not just fire weak, she's decent on neutral also

[misty finch]

Ight I’ll sr15 her then

I wish prydwen had a doll prio list 😔

[shell hazel]

I think you did most of the important ones already tbh

I SR-15 my Mast: Romantic Maid as well

not that she does much damage, was mostly as she is good + she is used in some campaign bits and helps with the cp pushing at deficit

[misty finch]

Yeah I have seen her used a bunch sure

[shell hazel]

after that it's kind of down to supports like liter and rouge etc and for me those feel like super eventual ones to do, after I've gotten most to SR-5 that I want

[misty finch]

My mmast has 27k less cp than my helm right now though so idk if she’d be worth using even with SR15

[shell hazel]

dps gets the most benefit on the SR-15 dolls

[misty finch]

Yeah those I don’t feel do as much unless they have scaling based on their own stats like rouge

[shell hazel]

raids etc I guess, I just did it anyway lol but my helm is my highest cp unit

[ivory violet]

Yeah mmast gives caster's attack right? SR15 is pretty worth on her as far as supports go but it depends on how hard you want to minmax soloraid

[shell hazel]

yeah, they already SR-15 or SR-5 a lot and have materials

so it's spend on ones not at SR-15 now and/or save for new units

I kind of think I may as well spend my resources most of the time, I just save a bit if I want to get something specific

[ivory violet]

Lol I'm the same I have no golds atm. We are getting new years anis who's prob an instant SR15 as well as treasures next month so do factor that into your math of who you want to SR15

I saved up big time and instantly had Poli treasure ready for PvP... which made no appreciable difference in my performance. But someone like Helm is a big deal you never know what SU is gonna give us

[shell hazel]

yeah I'd keep some back for new units for sure, but shouldn't need thousands of doll mats for those

[misty finch]

I just sr15ed mmast in 4 blue mats lol

[shell hazel]

wtf no way

I never get that lucky

[misty finch]

2 for sr10 too

[shell hazel]

crazy luck

[misty finch]

It’s fine I nearly went to sr 14 on my previous one 😔

[shell hazel]

that is acceptable then

[misty finch]

Do you know if treasure bay is worth it eventually?

[shell hazel]

you're not in CA usually right?

[misty finch]

Yeah and I don’t care about CA teams either

[shell hazel]

my main use for Bay - good attacking option against Scarlet 2RL teams

[ivory violet]

I think the best part about her treasure is the lobby, but if you're not in CA I wouldn't really bother

[shell hazel]

lets me Noah elsewhere

but that is really the main time I use her outside of CA

Bay won't make a huge diff, but I do see people crit fishing with Miranda comps in raids

[misty finch]

Alright I SR15ed centi, mmast, mihara, Trina, jackal and Noah

[shell hazel]

so actually Miranda might give you a versatile raid unit

mine isn't built I dunno how she works exactly tbh

[ivory violet]

Miranda is prob one of the coolest treasures in the game for PvE, enables all kinds of interesting comps

[shell hazel]

also use these

[misty finch]

Yeah I can’t be bothered to Snow White tryhard with her if that’s her main use

[shell hazel]

it wasn't with SW as I understood it

[misty finch]

I think it’s funny to keep at least 1

[misty finch]

Yeah nayuta right

[shell hazel]

she could work with Nayuta and some other units as well

[ivory violet]

She's useful for SW and also Mihara for fire soloraid coming up next, do you know about the no shooting comp?

[misty finch]

No all I do for raid is copy from the skyjiv sheet as best I can

And still miss 3% 😭

[shell hazel]

wait your invests look better than mine for raids you should be getting 3%

[misty finch]

I think I can sr15 1-2 more units before not having enough saved do I just do rumani and Blanc/biscuit?

[misty finch]

Idk skill issue IG I don’t retry

[ivory violet]

You run smth like this in a team & Miranda gives an 85% crit rate buff for the next bullet. Except what you do with Mihara is just stop shooting. This causes her DoT to guaranteed always crit during full burst. It does more damage than if you were just shooting during full burst

[shell hazel]

that might be why

[misty finch]

Well I still retry if I die the main thing is probs that I always try to force a healer

[shell hazel]

I think you could spend the dolls on a miranda or other pve comp tbh your pvp stuff looks OK for basic SPA especially with the upgraded noah/jackal

[misty finch]

Ight

[shell hazel]

I malded the hell out of the last one for 2% lol

[ivory violet]

It depends on ur server for getting 3% too, on the last raid 3% on the KR server was like 19.3bill dmg it's pretty crazy

[misty finch]

Yeah I can’t be bothered to do that personally I’d probs just mald crystal chamber instead

[misty finch]

Global

[shell hazel]

this is how I started last raid (13.2B)

[misty finch]

Yeah I don’t remember what my damage was but I was like 3.02% or something dumb

[shell hazel]

this was how I ended it 16.2B

so I had to screw about a lot as half my stuff isn't built, like my supports especially

Tove not treasured so some cope after teams 1 and 2

[misty finch]

Damn 3 bil is a lot just from optimising

I really can’t be bothered to mald though and people aren’t bothered to cook raid teams for other people

[shell hazel]

yeah so it's more about knowing what works well for you but malding is part of it

though I think if you have well built teams and you know what works you can kind of wing it and not mald

[ivory violet]

It really just depends on what you have fun doing, I like malding till my hair falls out on soloraids. It also depends on how much ele & atk your key units have

[shell hazel]

yeah it's optional I was enjoying optimising a bit

though I'd have more fun if my units were better built so as not to die easily

at least 4 or 5 of my units had no OL etc

[misty finch]

Damn that sounds crazy

[shell hazel]

I'm a pvp main

or I was - I do more in pve now

[misty finch]

Yeah for me I’d probs focus more on malding hard campaign if I can be bothered to again

Should I build ein for when I inevitably get walled by hard mode mirror container

[shell hazel]

you will need to eventually I think - and/or Ada also

my units sorted by power you can see I put a lot into pvp and campaign stuff

[ivory violet]

It depends on how early you wanna clear mirror container, I have a 4 atk Ein but that meant she just got owned by the mc minigun.

[misty finch]

Earlier the better and she’s still good for electric raid as well right

Plus if she makes crystal chamber easier too

[ivory violet]

Yeah she'll be used for the next few years at least and is also a staple in missilis tower

[severe tundra]

How did you get your units in such a wide line

[misty finch]

Welp guess that’s where my last doll mats are going

[shell hazel]

widescreen

[severe tundra]

... fair.

[shell hazel]

[misty finch]

Do you think there’s anyone else I should consider before ein/ada?

[vestal wigeon]

what CS % does lib need to be for arena? I currently have her at 14.75%

[shell hazel]

you should be nearly at a point of being able to beat the 31 hard mode boss tbh, CC

[misty finch]

Skill issue 😔

[shell hazel]

MC is a whole diff issue

[ivory violet]

Yeah idk if you'd be able to beat MC at 461 just looking at your box

[misty finch]

Damn 😔

[ivory violet]

Even if you invest Ein or Ada (although I'm not too familiar with the Ada comps)

Personally I had to wait until 501 to beat it with Crown/Cindy/HelmT/RRH/MMast

[misty finch]

Oof

[ivory violet]

but I was never a hm hard pusher

[shell hazel]

I used this for CC at 31H - you can see my cp near the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di-SxrOSoAo

[misty finch]

Yeah I used to tryhard hard mode but now I can’t be bothered anymore

So not really worth building ein if I can’t clear container anyway?

I gotta spend these skill mats on something 💔

[shell hazel]

you should be able to eventually and you'll want Ein for it anyway

only thing that can change it is if anis overspec winds up being awesome elec dps maybe

[misty finch]

Yeah I guess I might as well hold off on ein for now

Unless she would make clearing CC easier?

[ivory violet]

Ein is a great option... but I like running this better because it requires way less malding. Every 3rd burst just burst with MMast instead of Crown and you can prob kill CC

[misty finch]

Ok this is a crazy take from prydwen

[shell hazel]

is exactly what I am running here #pvp-arena message

[gritty ridge]

?

[gritty ridge]

How

[gritty ridge]

Hi hippo

[ivory violet]

Oh hey I didn't watch the video haha good comp

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/sup-gif-25972346

[misty finch]

Isn’t she still really good as a B1 buffer in mobbing stages where you can cover and wait and better than Alice for pierce damage?

[gritty ridge]

Both alice and rh dmg is meh now

Rh is used for gen and her b1 and thats abt it now

[misty finch]

They ranked Alice as 9 though

[gritty ridge]

Cuz prydwen is silly

You can ask em

[misty finch]

Maybe RH really isn’t 10 anymore but below Alice is still a big 🤔

[gritty ridge]

@unique wagon

[shell hazel]

RH is a lot more useful than alice I think

[gritty ridge]

She is

No reason to use alice anymore

Not even for sbs

[keen vapor]

What's a 9

[jagged mesa]

@umbral belfry @wet crystal @placid bloom @tropic summit today is perfect pilgrim mold day aka noah day

[umbral belfry]

believe

[jagged mesa]

here goes

[covert lintel]

You'll get harran

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

OMG LOL

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

FINALLYU

[umbral belfry]

the end of an era

[jagged mesa]

ASDFJADOGUHSDFOG

i saw the animation and i knew it would be either noah or SW

[umbral belfry]

grats

[covert lintel]

[jagged mesa]

thanks 🥲

[jagged mesa]

dont me i saw your curse up above

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-the-frog-pepe-excited-gif-15591079

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[jagged mesa]

@tropic summit i need to rub it in your face

cant make fun of me anymore

the spare body before getting actual unit trick paid off

[wet crystal]

[jagged mesa]

youre the goat

you could say folian's trick is the reason i succeeded today

cant wait to use my new noah to stay exactly where i already was in rookie and sp with no change

[wet crystal]

ash pvp god legend starts today

[wet crystal]

wait till next shuffle, I'm tossing you to the wolves ( @umbral belfry )

[jagged mesa]

not yet

eventually

[umbral belfry]

lemme in

[wet crystal]

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

my offer is you take folian so you two can test comps again while i get to be c1 for a while

mom said its my turn to be c1

[umbral belfry]

remember when you were r1 in rookie for like 10 secs when we were together

[jagged mesa]

i havent been c1 since hime had her QeQ avatar

[jagged mesa]

[umbral belfry]

True f2p times

[jagged mesa]

i understand the desire sensor now though

the moment i dive into OSRS (afk level during work) the game throws me a bone

i see u SU, i see u

[umbral belfry]

yes

and now

I need to be seeing both you and folian next shuffle

especially folian

[wet crystal]

when is next shuffle? jan or feb?

[umbral belfry]

I think feb

[jagged mesa]

anybody else here possible bracket-mates?

sorter and anybody else?

[placid bloom]

guess I am the only Noah-less still

[jagged mesa]

i technically got both of my wishes from perfect molds right today
... technically

[placid bloom]

I think I should work on Cinderella again, I am so close

[umbral belfry]

[jagged mesa]

still waiting for rail to acknowledge my massive win today

[wet crystal]

yoooo, what this? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nniK7w9-Xp0

clip?

[jagged mesa]

doesnt seem like it

[tulip quest]

from reload nope

[misty finch]

9/10 prio as opposed to RH's 8/10 prio

[keen vapor]

That makes sense

Alice is unusable before max investing

And she still does better single target damage

Worse burst gen

[jagged mesa]

im of the opinion alice is doodoo if we're talking about campaign

ok not doodoo, but no longer deserving of SSS or even SS

[eager brook]

In the team builders, how much charge speed substats on OL gear does this icon assume when it is selected?

[jagged mesa]

theres also no way RH is below alice in campaign

RH is still meta for various reasons

nearly every single lowest-clear stage will be rh or vesti paired with RRH, except for special cases like electric weak and ein + ada

you wont ever see alice except for a single boss here and there

[keen vapor]

15%

Is stated on the i icon at the top ... Wth light theme

[umbral belfry]

neither brid or diesel clips, my gems are safe this Xmas

[uncut crown]

What makes you think the Red Hood is better than Alice? I am not disagreeing, but in my campaign pushing Alice has been the second most important nikke after Nayuta in me getting very far despite a big deficit.

[jagged mesa]

whats your deficit at

for the record im pushing 44-47% deficit and i would not be doing that with alice, no shot

[radiant coral]

so is Diesel just a huge nothing burger for PvP or am I reading something wrong

since everything about her is stage target and breaking parts

[placid bloom]

Alice sees close to no use for modern high deficit, even on fire weak. The amount of rocks you need to spend on her just for her to deal a fraction of Rapi or Vesti's damage makes her not worth.
RH's personal damage is pretty bad after a certain point too but her B1 gives you higher target burst potential than any other B1.

[uncut crown]

It has been bouncing around probably 26-35%.

[jagged mesa]

rh just gives a lot of options

[jagged mesa]

yeah if you make it to 40+ youll notice that alice just disappears from viability and rh remains

rh lets you change the way you cycle bursts, lets you burst gen for the stages that give you <1.5s to fb or die

for example, good luck beating 23-21 hard with alice instead of RH, wont happen

at the same deficit* i mean

[uncut crown]

Ok, I guess it would be noticeable at a way higher deficit than even I am at.

[jagged mesa]

and at high enough deficit, her b1 is necessary to even do damage/kill the stage target

without it you might be hitting sub 1000 dmg

and there are some stages that rh equals vesti/rrh damage, specifically pierce-favoured stages

for example stages with big shield mobs, since that shuts down vesti and rrh to some degree as well

if its a nasty stage with shield mob up front and 10+ oneshotters behind them, you wont clear them out well enough with alice

because RH is 1. easier to use, 2. no downtime on ammo, 3. wider pierce range

[placid bloom]

tbh 25% would be considered low deficit by modern standards because pilgrims are strong enough to auto at that deficit

modern ones anyway

[jagged mesa]

vesti too, yeah

on my alt i autoed up until like 35%

[placid bloom]

you are basically not playing high deficit unless you are pushing close to 40%

[jagged mesa]

the % ranges from before are a bit outdated because back then you didnt have nearly the same attack steroids you have now, ergo mmast

[placid bloom]

ofc high deficit is relative to your team comp

25% is basically high deficit for Tia Naga

[jagged mesa]

tia naga is still good for 35%+ from my experience

[uncut crown]

Jeez, and I thought I was trying really hard lol. I know I wasn’t like all time records or anything but I thought I was at least pushing more than other people around my level.

[placid bloom]

well it also depends if you're on normal mode or hard mode

because you have way less rocks to work with on normal mode

and some chars need basic OL stats to even function

[jagged mesa]

tbf i do currently hold a lot of lowest 1-5 cp all-time clears

[placid bloom]

MGs in particular, they have too high of a reload/shooting ratio without extra ammo

[jagged mesa]

i wish i invested more heavily into bastion. bastion just outdoes resilience in general in my opinion, especially on MG

3 ammo + bastion + siren = no reload at all

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/ichika-nakano-ichika-gotoubun-no-hanayome-stunned-reaction-gif-22562258

[uncut crown]

I have to admit, I was still looking at normal campaign rankings and manu tower because that is when I would notice I may pop up occasionally for like day/week/month.

[jagged mesa]

or shooting range for example, lv 10 bastion outdoes lv 11 resilience on element

[jagged mesa]

[tropic summit]

have you checked twice that it's not a bug?

[jagged mesa]

dont u do this to me

thats bad vibes

[tropic summit]

pilgrim molds returning pilgrims is unexpected behavior

[placid bloom]

day/week rank is fairly inaccurate. Month is good though

[jagged mesa]

thats perfect mold from floor 300

i wished in chat for noah and vesti

i got noah and vesti (old version )

would have been NUTS

[uncut crown]

I was desperately running hard on Missilis tower because I have a rival in my server for rankings. He may pass me soon though (I don’t have strong missilis units).

[placid bloom]

well it's all luck

PvP needs even more luck

pray for dead server and for your rivals to have worse gacha luck than you

[jagged mesa]

tbh if youre still sub chapter 40 in normal mode, most people you're competing against arent pushing hard

you'll increase your gap over time

like at this point im pulling away completely from other people in my bracket

im probably 180 floors ahead of them and 11 hard mode chapters ahead

close to 40 synchro gap now i think?

and after new story chapters release, i think the 102 cd/h bp will be before MC

[placid bloom]

mine still competitive, this is the anni account creation time diff

[jagged mesa]

which means im going to gap them even harder from then on

[jagged mesa]

yeah thats true

[uncut crown]

I am Chp 27 Normal, but have been having a lot of fun pushing as hard as I can. My rival (at least for now) got stuck on stage in hard mode and I have gone past him there.

[jagged mesa]

to be fair though, im also pushed slightly ahead of you last i checked with an account about 2months younger, so i am pushed pretty far regardless of competition

and you're good at pushing too (when you stop being lazy )

[placid bloom]

yeah I am still stuck on farter base def

I can survive but I can't kill fast enough to keep the bar blue

I think the closest I got was like 40% blue by time out

or 40% red?

[jagged mesa]

i got stuck on this stage after 50+ tries , 31-21 hard wall

fk me

[placid bloom]

I can't fix my Vesti

I got blue charge dmg and I quit, just leave it there to CP pad

[jagged mesa]

my vesti is kinda doodoo, it's actually bricked in a 1-ammo-remaining kind of way

[placid bloom]

already spent like 30 rock fishing Atk on that piece

I'm just gonna wait on sync

[jagged mesa]

what sync are you now?

[placid bloom]

395

[jagged mesa]

dang

[placid bloom]

it's not that far away and it's faster to just sync to 401 than pray for rock luck

[jagged mesa]

just push to MC by next story chapter, if im not wrong that's going to be enough for 102cd/h

im legit going to be getting cd at like a 15% faster rate than others in my bracket

and now with noah im much safer in my pvp spots

[placid bloom]

tbh I feel like it's not even worth building Ein in January

I will probably be halfway to 421 at that point

and can just brute force

[jagged mesa]

my ein is 4x default roll i think, with SR15 and 7/7/7, so not EXTREMELY built

[placid bloom]

well there is other chars I would rather SR15

unless next round of treasure all suck

and AnOS also suck

[jagged mesa]

yeah thats true

i was kinda testing my luck and it worked

historically this account is terrible with dolls

but this time i got ein from sr5 to sr15 in only like 100 blue and 50 purple

[quick lake]

kit is outtttt

[jagged mesa]

i wish they would stop pairing sustained damage with part break

hate that mechanic

[placid bloom]

what if 5th shot Brid can one-shot wind

do you believe

[jagged mesa]

otk?

[placid bloom]

ohko

[tropic summit]

dis?

[placid bloom]

5th shot Brid with Vesti surely

[vapid lake]

She just randomly has a nuke as an attacker b2

Because reasons

[jagged mesa]

supporter

[placid bloom]

no she is supporter

[vapid lake]

Me blind

[placid bloom]

[vapid lake]

gacha player, pls understand

[placid bloom]

but this means SG team don't need to bring wave clear for MW museum

[jagged mesa]

SU hates water for real

we already had mari

[placid bloom]

but Mari don't get Tove buffed

and don't have randomly fat s2 proc every 5 shot

[jagged mesa]

oh snap shes SG

me blind

gacha player, pls understand

[fathom sparrow]

She seems decent

[placid bloom]

wait is this the 20s cd B2 Atk buffer that we need for high deficit

[jagged mesa]

66% atk is actually quite good honestly

[umbral belfry]

neither for pvp i sleep

[placid bloom]

Crown demoted to off-burst

[quick lake]

Only Diesel looks okay-ish for pvp

[placid bloom]

[vapid lake]

brid doesnt?

[umbral belfry]

nah imo

she works with parts iirc, no deal for pvp

[quick lake]

ya, barely usable

[vapid lake]

Diesel kit kinda trash

[quick lake]

oops I meant Brid

[jagged mesa]

brid poop on noah?

[placid bloom]

what Diesel does in PvP, 75% of her skill don't even work because needs part and needs stage target

[vapid lake]

She can nerf ur team hitrate by 100%

[umbral belfry]

brid is b2, if we're talking about her being used in her likely team (sg), there's better b2 options in nayuta or poliT

so that already rules her out to me

pvp b2s are stacked as it is

[quick lake]

Maybe my projectile now flies to another opponent

[jagged mesa]

oh nvm her debuff is on fb

[placid bloom]

actually more like 95% of her kit don't work

[umbral belfry]

hibernate until NY

[placid bloom]

no Brid not because she is B2

Brid because s2 5th shot proc

[quick lake]

ye that’s the only pvp

[placid bloom]

so you getting 8 shots worth of damage in 5 shots

[opal steppe]

Hello, I wanted to asked if the team below is good to beat the team above or it needs a change ? Also, thank you in advance.

[umbral belfry]

rosa p2 is a no no

say goodbye to conceal

and bc there's a vesti p3 is bad too

[quick lake]

where u getting all these emotes

[umbral belfry]

regardless, you likely lose bc you have no protection while they have a noah to block your vesti for a bit. but by then your team is likely dead assuming (safely put) rosa doesn't nuke vesti and helm. but doing that with noise buff is hard

[umbral belfry]

🥧 discord

oh wait, rosa isn't even gonna be bursting

bottom would lose

@dense kindle

[dense kindle]

Hi hime ,

I give up on CC cause banned

[umbral belfry]

you got WHAT

[radiant coral]

Her skill set is such a nothing burger that even her debuff does nothing in PvP cuz hit rates don’t matter

[dense kindle]

Got a 10 min ban so now I wait to blue cp

[umbral belfry]

jsasor cheating!!!

[vapid lake]

l2 hide ur macro better noob

[dense kindle]

I click too fast so sent to shadow realm

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

SU devs watching your gameplay:

https://tenor.com/view/goku-goku-angry-xenoverse-2-gif-7335905850737743765

[dense kindle]

Macro would be better for not getting banned

[umbral belfry]

dw jsasor

ill wait for you at mc bc i don't have ein and ada built

[dense kindle]

I’m close to beating just need a lil more dmg maybe if my anis was more built but not enough rocks

[tropic summit]