pvp-arena

[gritty ridge]

Smh, need 24

[azure star]

Trueee, Still too new, every rock I get is used. So most units I take that I get

New Jackel outfit is a contender tho

[gritty ridge]

I wholeheartedly disagree

Jackal is cute, bay is another thing entirely

[tropic summit]

🍿

[tropic summit]

elaborate.

[raven plover]

diesel pvp unit?

[gritty ridge]

Jackal gives off daughter/pet vibes, bay gives off vibes i cant describe without getting banned

[tropic summit]

reasonable

[gritty ridge]

Id have to see her kit, is she out?

[azure star]

You see, tanline centi is better tho

[raven plover]

soon

[gritty ridge]

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit new best tech for behemoth, spamm burst asap no need to hold burst

[tropic summit]

what synchro was that

[hollow lagoon]

just did tower 930

[tropic summit]

deficit %?

[hollow lagoon]

let me find it

[hollow lagoon]

i ran out of time with my mast comp, but have no issue with this comp, killed it 36 seconds earlier

[tropic summit]

mmast powercrept, i like it and not because i don't have her

[gritty ridge]

Id assume nayuta is good for the rocka

[tropic summit]

what's the rotation like btw? is nayuta always bursting or crown alternating?

[hollow lagoon]

always nayuta burst

super safe

[tropic summit]

oh that's noice

hmm got it will give it a shot once i'm 501

[hollow lagoon]

i dont think u need 501 now

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

i think u should go for it

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

my old mast team couldent do it with 3 whole minutes has liek 100-50bars reaining

but my new tech killed it with 36 seconds to spare

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

oh that deficit a bit rough

[tropic summit]

35% you're probably asking a bit 2 much

[hollow lagoon]

still it means u clear 501

[tropic summit]

hope so, will keep you posted

[hollow lagoon]

its way easier tech than the mast one

[tropic summit]

noice

[hollow lagoon]

literal spammm burst as fast as u can

like maybe hold a sec ish for qte

u dont have to fiddle cover, the entire right i was just using siren

[tropic summit]

well that sounds like easymode then

[hollow lagoon]

nayuta makes rocks easier to break

and kills the destroyable missles

[hollow lagoon]

Also Nihilister got dedage without using cover repair

[charred condor]

Anyone help with a good team comp to counter this? He’s been farming me for weeks 5x daily 😭

[hollow lagoon]

Rosana

I think?

[tropic summit]

got ross, emi, vestiTU?

[charred condor]

I have everyone except emi

[tropic summit]

whats rosanna skill lvl and atk%

[charred condor]

Shes 7/7/5 right now and no ol lines, but willing to invest more if it will make the difference

[tropic summit]

CP required: 734k minimun

method 1 - stall via noah + biscuit

noah trina rapunzel vestiTU biscuit
requirements: vestiTU at least 5%CS, noah quantum (any lvl)

method 2 - indom vestiTU

jackal vestiTU helmt blanc laplaceT/centi
requirements:

• if running laplaceT, ensure vestiTU is linked, p3 should be 2nd linked unit so swap as needed helmT and laplaceT
• vestiTU needs to be lowest HP between jackal and 2nd linked unit
• recommended at least x2 ammo OL on vestiTU to not run out of ammo during indom

e.g. if vesti + helmt linked, jackal vestiTU helmt blanc laplaceT
e.g. if vesti + laplaceT linked, jackal vestiTU laplaceT blanc helmt

you can confirm who's linked by simply running the teams above in shooting range, check buff "jumping jackal" is active on vestiTU and 2nd linked unit

[charred condor]

Awesome thank you! Will give it a go and hopefully stop their easy farm lol

[ripe aurora]

Inb4 he farms you with a completely different team

[charred condor]

He’s rank 1 in the group and he will hit me 5x even when I’m like 10

[ripe aurora]

That's pety

You took his spot in sp or something?

[charred condor]

I’m challenger 4 in sp he’s way higher but he does hit me there too but can’t win it, so maybe he mad about that idk

[ripe aurora]

Well, you can use it for your advantage, with some good ol psychological warfare.
Start hitting him there.
Beating will continue till attitude improves

[charred condor]

Omg it worked 🙌 Used gems to test one attack. We’ll see if he wants to repeat tmrw I guess haha

[ripe aurora]

Keep an eye out for him to come here asking for advice on how to beat your comp so you can feed him bad advice

[unique wagon]

Tf u mean used gem

[hollow lagoon]

lol what an ass

[ripe aurora]

Bought arena chips

[hollow lagoon]

An self respecting #1 should hit top 5 evenly

[unique wagon]

I know

[oak hatch]

@tropic summit can u take a look at this, confused why siren targeted Noah p5 here instead of p1 and why Noah bursted before stun without team wide 11%

[hollow lagoon]

Jackal fed burst gen, Noah burst which has aoe taunt which result in sirens switching target, and since Noah already bursted the stun happening slightly after b2 bursting is irrelevant

[oak hatch]

Oh I see, so my team got promoted to 1.5 rl, ty

[hollow lagoon]

Tis my theory

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit Good to go?

[tropic summit]

i don't think he understands you've T3 figured out because he keeps it on

[vapid lake]

Sanis in 2025

[tropic summit]

he's trying to make you indom s.anis somehow, as both rosanna and helmT will skip her for lib and laplaceT

although you've so much dmg for p2 that s.anis probably dies regardless

and jackal will still misindom on herself

wonder if he's gonna make it to indom s.anis, jackal and s.anis will both be fairly low

[tropic summit]

for T1 assemble this one

do you've CS% on lib?

[leaden canyon]

she has a black line and 4.33

[tropic summit]

how about trina and centi

we gonna make the MF get stunned or whiff

[leaden canyon]

centi 2.86 and trina 4.92+2.28

[tropic summit]

oh wow they're so low on CS% rip nvm

oh but lappy still available

[leaden canyon]

yeah have not sunk rocks into that

[tropic summit]

you had 15% on her right?

[leaden canyon]

with cs cube yeah

[tropic summit]

that could work

ye 2 quantum on lappy and centi with lappy on 15% it's 2.5RL

[leaden canyon]

lap cant have quantum sense she needs cs cube

[tropic summit]

then nvm let's throw a good indom in there, how's your Ada and RRH?

[leaden canyon]

rrh is fine, ada is invested for her skills, her cp not that high though

[tropic summit]

can your blanc survive vestiTU up to 2.5RL?

[leaden canyon]

His vesti has 100% ele that I know of, not including what ever his attack is

[tropic summit]

haha...

yeah 3rd team might be tough here

can go double threat tho

[leaden canyon]

I could roll for higher cs on lap

[tropic summit]

nah

we need to get scar on 2.5RL and indom her somehow

problem is anyone you put on p2 or p3 could be getting indommed instead

one of those spots can be covered by lappy

the 3rd should be blanc but i guess she might just up and die

[leaden canyon]

how much cs does lib need for burstgen increase

[tropic summit]

plus you're no longer 2.5RL anyway

[tropic summit]

don't have data but i assume 15% could work just the same as others

although since she's SR, it may be similar to RH and HelmT, which means between 8% and 12%

oh.

we could just deny their burst gen by running your team 4 man

give me your box

[leaden canyon]

nah if its a 4 man team its not going to have the cp with my box

But I'll show it

[tropic summit]

only need 171k

and we probably can be in deficit, just need to get the indom going

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmmm

[leaden canyon]

My lib is low because of bad luck with rolls

[keen vapor]

My nayuta even lower

[tropic summit]

show CP with this

wait nvm i just noticed something

[keen vapor]

With this RNG I don't I can build characters anymore

[tropic summit]

they're 2.5RL, you can punish with siren

[leaden canyon]

oh yeah hes running that at a 2.5 lul

[tropic summit]

give trina and scarlet quantum

oh we don't need quantum on scarlet

[leaden canyon]

keep cs cube on lap for the increase still?

[tropic summit]

man 10% from scar counters alone from 0RL to 2.5RL is gonna ask a lot

[leaden canyon]

it does make it 2.5

?

oh blanc

[tropic summit]

yeah without CS% we're not gonna be near close to 2.5RL

either indom scarlet without stunning noah

you eat both their stacks on nuke at least

but then she has 5ish seconds to kill whole team, with a moran in her face

although if we remove noah via stun... lib can try wiping

problem is how keeping lib alive against vesti

[leaden canyon]

Pretty sure his moran will still die to my team after scar nukes

with the drake lap set up

[tropic summit]

so you wanna try glass cannon? moran will be on biscuit stack

you need something to stay alive to finish moran

[leaden canyon]

siren can still shoot of stuns after burst

[hot shuttle]

hey @tropic summit I thought I should let you know the defense team that you gave me on Friday the dude beat all three of them within days. so clearly this dude knows what he’s doing or he’s getting help. you’ve got a good defense team. That’s pretty difficult to beat? Or has a low win rate or something like that?

[tropic summit]

let's assume you burst at 2.5RL with noah pants down, you wipe

vestiTU biscuit centi

you're left with noah and moran on biscuit stack

scarlet then dies, lappy will be low HP and drake low HP

[leaden canyon]

yeah and I should be fine

[tropic summit]

i guess siren could solo

i guess it's worth a shot for science

@leaden canyon final draft, record for science

scarlet temperance
drake quantum
lappy adjutant
trina quantum
siren any

[leaden canyon]

qunatum actually not needed, they hit 2.5 anyway

I put temp on drake

[tropic summit]

it depends on a lot of things:

• is your oppponent gapping those teams? that'd invalidate any effort
• is your opponent pvp main? if he knows what he's doing, on same invest, you should never win a defense

unfortunately there's no foolproof defense, although you can try and make it as hard as possible for the opponent

stun, stall, indom, early aggresive teams etc

[hot shuttle]

Yeah, I know I won’t win a defense. are the teams that you gave me the hardest as possible to beat? Or is there something better?

[tropic summit]

you refering to these:

#pvp-arena message

if you tried all 3 and he beat all 3, either he knows what he's doing or he's gapping you

you can keep trying change them up and see if he falls for other gimmicks, we can still try slow cindy for example

[tropic summit]

@hot shuttle

next up, try:

cindy rumani nayuta biscuit midhara/RH

[tropic summit]

LMAO T1 LOVED IT

[hot shuttle]

ok if he beats this, what he very likely well I’ll probably rotate maybe between the three teams and this one

[tropic summit]

amazing popcorns omg

[leaden canyon]

We forgot about S.anis sg into emilia p5, should have put jackal p5

[tropic summit]

he did get s.anis indommed in the end eh

oh right

your links are in p2 and p4

[hot shuttle]

Just wanna double check midhara is mihara os right?

[tropic summit]

ye the alt mihara, not the SR one

[leaden canyon]

yep

[tropic summit]

although getting hit by ele code could be painful

man T1 was beautiful

[hot shuttle]

All right, got it thanks man! I appreciate the help!

[leaden canyon]

nayuta ros helm emilia jackal should be fine right?

not like I need to worry about splash

[tropic summit]

yeah exposing helm in p3 is actually fine, that works

forgot there's no more vesti/emi in there

[leaden canyon]

yeee

[tropic summit]

that team was so used to be abused i forgot it's easier

tbh i was fully focused T1, too gud

the lappy 1hitko moran at the end true cinema

@shell hazel watch this with popcorn at hand
#pvp-arena message

@leaden canyon trina healing on very low HP actually can diff quite a bit

[hot shuttle]

oh btw @tropic summit I wanted to ask the team my opponent is using which is jackal/noah/vesti: tac/biscuit/t-helm is that difficult to beat in general?

[tropic summit]

it's wasting biscuit stacks on p1 and p2 on you bursting, it has weak stall, good nuke, good dps

since it has weak stall, although, it will lose against any proper stall anti nuke

to answer your question, is OK, but not good

[hot shuttle]

oh I see good to know thanks!

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit Welp i got over my paranoia

[swift mango]

I don't even sure if 18% is exactly 2.5rl. But so long as it works, even 11% is fine.

5th SG is about Emi 25% lol

Oh you already said it but still

[quick lake]

https://tenor.com/view/jfk-clone-high-i-like-your-funny-words-magic-man-jack-black-gif-18659433

[tropic summit]

nicely done, 10/10

[tulip quest]

Nice comp

[quick lake]

ClipSG, solid B1/2 surely

[tropic summit]

clip SG buffer could be useful

[quick lake]

Better B2 is SG teams ig

[tropic summit]

although B1 clip SG would be the first atk% buffer who actually contributes to speed

liter, RH, siren, RRH are all low burst gen

the best B1 burst gen buffer is xmica atm

[quick lake]

Hmm, smells like a B2 clipSG

[tropic summit]

if B2 a bit more meh then

[quick lake]

I was thinking replacing the B2 in SG CA teams

But B1 good buffer would be great as well

better pepper

[tropic summit]

i dunno nayuta/poli/xanne are already doing good work as B2

[tropic summit]

yeah that's what i'd wish for at least

many times you want to make a team but your B1 is holding you back on burst gen

[quick lake]

That's true

We'll have their full kits today iirc. So we wait

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/onimai-anime-sleep-mihari-oyama-gif-27609322

[gaunt pulsar]

kinda weird to make them both fire when we had whole absolute squad being fire not that long ago, and they also all elysion

oh, and maiden rerun my gems

[quick lake]

defender doesnt scale as well with dupes i think

[gaunt pulsar]

new player, so i dont even have her

[quick lake]

just 1 copy and dip

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, if she decides to grace me

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit See how he tweaks every team that lost but leaves the one alone that won? for sure spies in here

[quick lake]

Time to triple win

[narrow sentinel]

how do i improve these 2teams, usually end up being my sacrifice teams Last team works most of the team so I'm not changing it (rd02)

[merry patio]

hi! I'm reivisiting my pvp teams cos lately I'm starting to fail too many defenses vs lower score ones and I'm wondering if I can improve them (I'm missing all collab units and some limited ones), they should be 3RL, 2RL and 2RL if I'm not wrong

[quick lake]

What is this Moran Noah Helm propaganda recently

[quick lake]

Better to send ur full roster. Alternatively can refer to pinned teams for more ideas

[merry patio]

I've been using this teams for quite a while now, so recently...

[quick lake]

Teams 1 and 3 are kinda weak

[tropic summit]

tbh he needs to stop being a p*ssy trying to gap you out of a team

check CP on T1, we want a scarlet on indom with as much flex as possible, i think she'll be fine on even just blanc buff if need be

T1 needs 1992k CP

T2 cubes

noise vigor
anchorIM temperance
cindy any
helmt any
moran temperance

notes: check who are the highest atk% in order in the team, ideally you want noise 1st or 2nd, helmt can be 1st, anchorIM 3rd or lower, rest 4th and 5th

T3 cubes

quantum mandatory on noah for 2RL
trina any, temperance
rapunzel vigor temperance or any
vesti any, adjutant
biscuit vigor or any

he wants to burst with s.anis? fine, MF gonna have to eat through noise + anchorIM HP buff, hitting cindy on decoy + HP buffs and moran on full HP refil stacks and HP buff, all of that in 10s

[merry patio]

what's weak exactly? or how can I make them stronger?

[quick lake]

Anything slower than 2RL Cindy is quite bad these days. To 2RL Blanc Scarlet, u need to have a very stacked Scarlet for it to be successful

I recommend just doing the standard,
Scarlet Trina Siren/Soda 2RL
2RL Cindy or 2RL Liberalio
random team 3 (or Nero Moran stall)

[narrow sentinel]

Any thoughts on my first 2 teams and swaps?

[tropic summit]

attack is based on what you facing, a team may perfom bad or good based on that, so you could have a strong situational team but use it in the wrong matchup it could be utter crap

either way, stable general purpose teams

SP arena

• jackal siren scarlet trina drakeT
• noise noah cindy helmt rumani
• blanc emi rh biscuit lapalceT

Notes:

DO NOT run blanc team against 2RL teams or siren teams
DO NOT run noise noah cindy team against indom DPS
DO NOT run scarlet team into non noah taunt priority team with noah or bay present

[narrow sentinel]

unfortunately i don't have trina. i guess i need to build rumani, but this pretty general

Is there a sub for trina?

my roster is above

wish me luck gonna use 300 tickets

[quick lake]

maybe wait

till when Liberalio/Nayuta added to standard, which is in a few days

[narrow sentinel]

I have both of them

[quick lake]

Also, ur sync is rather low compared to ur competitors, so pvp will be tough

[narrow sentinel]

well

[tropic summit]

427 with emilia is a bad sign indeed

[quick lake]

He has 2B

[narrow sentinel]

i kinda took an on off mo break

[leaden canyon]

I recently got blanc to SR 15 so I'm actually in range lol

[narrow sentinel]

still no way to get more dust/xp

[tropic summit]

eh then that moran is very ded

you get to 1.5RL via 2SG feed + moran

[quick lake]

yeahh, nikke pvp is quite brutal to those who leave for a while

[narrow sentinel]

i mean it wasn't even for a while

like i said chill when i core 400

now 500

[quick lake]

Hmm, honestly pvp will be hard. A lot of core units not built as well

[tropic summit]

run this until you unlock trina

[narrow sentinel]

i still keep tot 50-30

[tropic summit]

T1 is fundamentally unchanged purpose

just weaker compared to the trina variation, but it will do

[leaden canyon]

oh wait I need 199, damn I'm actually in deficit, but I have still won in deficit before, I just need trina on that team actually

[tropic summit]

nah trina stays in T3

can nayuta it

[leaden canyon]

centi can go there in t3 instead cant she

[tropic summit]

if you wanna die sure

you need 2 stacks on noah to stall enemy vestiTU

[narrow sentinel]

i'm gonna finish campaign i guess :/

[tropic summit]

who's higher CP than RH and laplace

[leaden canyon]

Actually scar isn't even linked there because of hood and lap

[quick lake]

Just be casual and enjoy story

[tropic summit]

uh that can be used

we sacc'ing scar

[leaden canyon]

and to answer this, sbs, alice, drake

[tropic summit]

check if with this you're in range

[narrow sentinel]

I have 600k tickets from pvp. It's kind of stupid. I always get 9999

[quick lake]

U should be buying the ele skill mats

[narrow sentinel]

I do

[quick lake]

Oh well. Can wait for them to update pvp shops eventually

[leaden canyon]

195

its jackal that weighs it down

[tropic summit]

you need 1992k

[leaden canyon]

shes 321005

[tropic summit]

check this

and tell me who gets helmT snipe of those above

i'm assuming RH or drakeT or laplaceT

we kinda want RH to live so we need a sacc for that

[narrow sentinel]

i just dunno when to use this stuff, nikke 2? + shop

[tropic summit]

or just raise jackal CP tbh, why isn't she higher already

she's core of your matchups

[quick lake]

I'll probably use them once New Year Pilgrim is added to standard banner, for pilgrim molds

[leaden canyon]

I'm sorry to say that nayuta is basically in the same boat as jackal, actually jackal has a little more cp than her lol.

[quick lake]

Cna hoard or use them

[tropic summit]

nayuta at least prevents you from dying

[leaden canyon]

because of my luck

[tropic summit]

you only need to tank moran, trina and helmt

[narrow sentinel]

so just rip everything else

[leaden canyon]

it looks like it will hit lap, hood has 1% more attack overload but lap has higher base attack because core 7

[tropic summit]

then there's hope

but deficit and indomless, you're f*ed

put jackal to be increased in CP as your n*1 priority

else he can just abuse that against you

the other 2 teams will have to do

[leaden canyon]

thats jackal

[tropic summit]

there's so much CP there

line 1 are sh*t and line 3 is open

also boots is rerollable on line 1 and line 3

you want higher %

[quick lake]

Rolling lines for higher CP

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon either way T1 is f*ed unless you get indom going, we doing double sacc

if you're in deficit at least we can get sacc easier

[leaden canyon]

thats actually 203k lmfao

no longer in deficit

[tropic summit]

you kidding me

all that effort to get it to sacc easier

now check lappy is still highest atk%, if it's ros or SBS you've a problem

[leaden canyon]

its because rosanna is at 380

oh rosanna for sure has more attack

[tropic summit]

for the love of-

how is jackal so f*ing weak in your box

[leaden canyon]

believe it or not she was weaker

I just got like 2 more dupes of her in the past week

[tropic summit]

you know what, this is a good time to find out if helmT can target through conceal

T1 will serve science

oh wait a min

alice has more atk than rosanna?

alice or SBS or laplace

[leaden canyon]

Rosanna is 42% att and alice is 31.92% which is basically what lap and hood have. but alice is core 7

so rosanna still being targeted

[tropic summit]

my god so cursed

[leaden canyon]

lol

I mean we have won against that team is deficit before with scarlet blanc hood trina jackal

but then t3 cant have trina

[tropic summit]

well it's what... 15-16% deficit^

17% ish

[tropic summit]

no forget trina

[quick lake]

i dont think enough dmg

[leaden canyon]

The scar one with trina? its won before at deficit

kills everything but moran

then moran just dies eventually

[quick lake]

That's surprising

[tropic summit]

it's not, scarlet s2 outdamages moran sustain, especially if blanc debuffed

i can win against nero moran with scarlet on blanc's buff alone

[tropic summit]

final draft, if anything i want to see T2 and T3, T1 will cope

[leaden canyon]

blanc and trina also keep scar alive long enough for s2 to hurt enough

[tropic summit]

ye but i don't really need T1 data

we already know it works

the juicy one here is T2 atm

and if anchorIM can survive up to 3RL B2

since opponent is promoted to 2RL

anchor gonna tank 4 shoots of laplace 1 of which is blanc buffed

on the other hand you could put helmT in p5 to tank 0RL to 1RL of SGs shots

then s.anis is taunted by noise

[leaden canyon]

should I just throw on temp 14 on her instead of vigor?

[tropic summit]

or put cindy in p5 and burst with helmT in p4

frankly, i dunno if she lives

but you need something to tank p5

bursting with helmT should still be lethal on link anyway

and you're on anchor atk% buf

yeah let's take the safer approach i guess

submit this

cubes unchanged, keep vigor on anchor

[leaden canyon]

ok

if we sacking scar in t1 I guess she doesn't need temp cube on her

[tropic summit]

ye can remove that

give anything that boosts CP instead

[leaden canyon]

yep

[tropic summit]

only cube you want in that T1 is quantum on jackal

[leaden canyon]

well actually is it still sacking scar since we have jackal there now?

oh wait shes not linked nvm

yeah

ok cool, I'm sending it

[tropic summit]

rip T1

[leaden canyon]

yeah it probably wont win

[tropic summit]

buffering

[leaden canyon]

yeah same hold on

[tropic summit]

[leaden canyon]

There now its working

[tropic summit]

wait what, how is vestiTU shooting p4?

mother of god that was way too close

she was supposed to shoot p1 not p4

i don't understando

[leaden canyon]

yeah I was confused as well

[tropic summit]

there's no taunter in p3 p4 or p5

what in the world

the good thing is that even if you got critted, noah wold've finished off vestiTU

but that's not how it was meant to go

[leaden canyon]

having that temp cube on vesti actually mattered lmfao

[tropic summit]

that doesn't feel as intended tho, really sus

targetting on p3 p4 p5 is very fishy

[leaden canyon]

actually biscuit and rapu and vesti all had temp cubes

[tropic summit]

maybe it's a replay bug

there's no reason to why noah should be ignored when taunting and on attack

plus vestiTU defaults to p1 on both sides

and p1 is clearly alive

[leaden canyon]

Is it possible that noah taunted noah with the burst

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon i think your curse goes beyond your rerolls, this game actively trying to kill you

[leaden canyon]

it could have bugged out like that

Because both noahs would be taunted on eachother when b2 burst goes off

[tropic summit]

hmm even assuming there's taunt conflict, what happens is:

ally noah taunts p1 and p2
enemy noah taunts p1 and noone (p2 is dead)
rumani then taunts everyone, but not on your side, your side is still taunting and defaulting p1

there's actually no real explanation to this aside from bugging out

[leaden canyon]

yeah weird

[tropic summit]

what is clear is that at B2, enemy vestiTU decided to shoot p4

but with no clear taunting/reasoning

[leaden canyon]

did my vesti do the same?

[tropic summit]

oh you're right

you're hitting p5 p4 p3

what in the actual f*k

nvm kara explained it to me, all gud

#pvp-arena message

[vapid lake]

[leaden canyon]

champion arena forever beta

[tropic summit]

"beta"

they aint spendin' any effort or time on that mode, better just fix that horrible surface content

[vapid lake]

Diesel is fire RL dps with focus on sustain dmg

There is potential here

If the kit something like --> apply sustain dmg to all enemy hit by normal attack

And if bigger aoe

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge bready indom has a chance

[tropic summit]

what burst tier is she again?

[vapid lake]

Patch notes doesnt say

Only vague description of kit https://nikke-en.com/newsdetail.html?content_id=254d33c5af95fa4a26aa933a5020c508da59

[glad meteor]

Isnt that just vesti burst so hit 5

[tropic summit]

nah both teams are 2RL

it's the autos that hit all 5 units afterward

in general she should hit p1 up to p3

[glad meteor]

Yeah. Once vesti bursts she hits p1-5

With autos

[tropic summit]

first time i've seen this

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

mystery explained i guess, thanks

[leaden canyon]

funny enough I could have got a triple win with centi in t3 and trina in t1

[tropic summit]

yeah if teams stay like that you won't need trina anymore in T3

just need sustain diff via rapunzel or any other healer

e.g. noise

[leaden canyon]

Should I stop trying to get higher att% rolls on vesti now?

[tropic summit]

get jackal fixed asap so he can stop abusing your lack of CP

[worthy knoll]

Say what?

[tropic summit]

kara explained it, i never noticed

#pvp-arena message

[leaden canyon]

k. also I have had such bad luck rerolling this 6% line lol

[tropic summit]

that is actually insane as is

[worthy knoll]

I know, I mean first time seeing Vesti hit 5 on autos? Say what

[tropic summit]

i thought from p1 her explosive range wasn't gonna splash all the way to p5 yet it does all along

(after bursting tho)

[gaunt pulsar]

well if s2 makes you hit up to p3 with just 20% range buff, from burst she gets 100% radius

[leaden canyon]

thats probably why emilia burst hits the whole team

[tropic summit]

ye with emi i was familiar, with vesti i never actually bothered checking and assumed it was same splash range as pre burst

[worthy knoll]

The thing is, Vesti has been out for a long while now.. feels weird for someone who always assist in pvp to see it first time like

[tropic summit]

this kinda ruins the purpose of that T3 we ran

good thing it had rapunzel regardless

[tropic summit]

opponents like the one Dair faces are rare, most i help out tend to wipe enemy teams within a few seconds of indom so i never bothered i guess

ya learn somethin' everyday

[worthy knoll]

I mean CA wise you see Nero Moran vs Vesti

[leaden canyon]

I shall make rail grow more powerful in knowledge and reap the rewards

[worthy knoll]

No way you don't know Vesti kills Rapu without their normal explosion range reaching Rapu at P4/P5 which she is usually placed

[gaunt pulsar]

what makes vesti hit up to p3 pre-burst again? re-reading her skills and i dont see anything that gives her explosion radius on s1 or s2, it's on burst only

[worthy knoll]

Nah she just has high innate explosion range, like A2 and Emi. Nothing says too on both of those

[gaunt pulsar]

was so sure that it's a buff on her skill, but it was dmg buff

i see

[tropic summit]

and yet

[worthy knoll]

Same reason why those other 2 too can hit everyone once they have some explosion range buff, coz their innate explosion range is high already

[restive willow]

Is there info on what happens when an indom character gets lethal damage on the exact frame indom goes active? For example, blanc uses burst, then 3 frames later, the indom target "dies". Does the damage take precedence or the indom activation?

[tropic summit]

a classic

[worthy knoll]

and one of the reason Lap+ explosion range buff sucks coz she has low innate explosion range

[tropic summit]

imagine if she had same as emi and vesti

[restive willow]

I thought that happens in the 1-2 frame window after blanc activation, or is that only for same frame?

[tropic summit]

from what we've seen there's a pseudo delay with healing and indom being applied, healing takes precedence then indom is applied
if you're healed, killed then indommed, you're still killed but receive indom = useless

(as pic above)

[hollow lagoon]

did 50 blue tickets, 2rosana and a Vesti

[tropic summit]

that is actually after B2 and enemy B3

[restive willow]

Yeah, but if the indom activation is on the exact same frame as the damage, what happens?

There's the frame where indom starts being active, but on that exact frame, I wonder if damage happens first or the indom. The edge case

[tropic summit]

damage takes precedence, as you can see here

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit got a moment?

[hollow lagoon]

Zlaw gonna get converted to PvP main now

[restive willow]

Makes sense. It's also consistent with how the heal appears after the death, so the character dies with nonzero hp. Thanks

[tropic summit]

shoot

[leaden canyon]

[marble saddle]

need a check. i think ive done 80% of my homework but im feeling like im missing something based on positioning

[gaunt pulsar]

i doubt it's a bug, but visual one for sure, buff ain't even active yet and rapi already dead so indom went to rumani, most buffs take at least 6 frames to activate after burst image starts to go right, or when you see 9.61 on the burst timer
she did got healed for no reason on the 3rd screenshot though, could give you that, which we could count as a visual bug, because that flying cat tv screen ain't laying when something is already dead and it shows 4/5 way before indom activates

[onyx scaffold]

fk arena

i go back with my beloved fire weak raid

[tropic summit]

i'm awfully familiar with that T3

[onyx scaffold]

CA can go fk itself

[marble saddle]

maybe cause its something made from your past advice

[tropic summit]

T2 is overcommited
T3 is wrong

[marble saddle]

well i tried making t3 with jackal but helm will kill the link

[tropic summit]

the hint: you didn't use the archetypes i gave you

hint 2 blanc B2 happens before enemy B3

use the archetypes i gave you and fix speed as needed, post em again

noah + biscuit flex flex flex
jackal indom link blanc centi

it's lib on 2RL... so...

[marble saddle]

kk

[hollow lagoon]

T3 can Mis-indom

[marble saddle]

what if i put vesti on p2?

[hollow lagoon]

I don’t comprehend

[tropic summit]

when you ready to give up

can take this chance to debut your ross

T1 is gonna be cope but worth a shot

[tropic summit]

yes if opponent has better CS% he'll lose T3

at that point he can indom T2 and noah T3, would be safer

[hollow lagoon]

If it were up to me I just do a 2-2.5rl nuke for t3 with a noise or maybe vesti and Ada to sustain thru the Nayuta

[tropic summit]

let's see what he comes up with anyway

[marble saddle]

t3 vesti is on pos 3 so the chance of mis indom is high
what if i put her on pos2 so helm kills her then rapunzel ress then blanc indom?

[hollow lagoon]

I’m stupid when it comes to indom, I feel like Rapunzel could get indom just from being in p2 taking splash

[marble saddle]

i think i got t2 correct at least

[tropic summit]

no his current T3 is wrong so ignore that

[tropic summit]

ye on point

now T3

[marble saddle]

the archtype you said includes scar
does that mean only Scar or SBS as well?

[tropic summit]

oh good thinking go on

[marble saddle]

hmm if SBS is on the menu then hold on

[tropic summit]

there's only one problemo that zant rightfully mentioned earlier and your pve box currently faces but we'll get to that once you make T3

[hollow lagoon]

Feel like could gamba 2rl siren for enemy t1

[tropic summit]

they're on noise taunt prio and 2RL

what are you planning to do with siren against that?

[marble saddle]

i think i did okish

[hollow lagoon]

Seems about right

[tropic summit]

that's on point too, now one last bit, what do you see with that team happening at B2?

say your enemy has better CS%

[marble saddle]

his burst will start slightly faster than mine?

[tropic summit]

and blanc has a short delay

would you take that risk?

e.g. helm 8%CS and emi 25% against your 0% CS team

[marble saddle]

so you are saying blanc might indom the wrong target?

[tropic summit]

rather than just misindom, they can nuke link with ele weak (lappy is iron)

[marble saddle]

yeah which was why i was hesitant to use jackal against his helm
without a noah

[tropic summit]

fortunately for you although your teams are almost good to go as is

what happens if you swapped them around, what do you've to fix?

[marble saddle]

swap as in teams or positions?
wait swapping positions makes no sense so you prob mean swapping teams

[tropic summit]

they're bursting with helmT

[hollow lagoon]

Well if lappy can die to Nayuta then just not use lappy

[marble saddle]

yeah so most likely they will kill my vesti whos linked with jackal and 1 more so 3 prob dead from my side

if i swap teams then his t3 helm should kill my helm

but the problem i see with that is will i be able to kill his entire team and outlast his nayuta

since its a buffed emillia nuke i should at least be able to kill his helm emi and rh

[tropic summit]

the answer

there's a new mechanic here you're not familiar with

you want to prevent killing helm in p2, else you deal with an emi nuke which is direct counter to noah 2RL

to ensure helm lives, you reduce p2 pressure, SBS is perfect

[marble saddle]

[tropic summit]

what happens at 2RL? you absorb their helmT nuke and SBS starts dealing widespread distributed dmg, as nayuta does not invulnerable

you will inevitably out trade as noah will stall longer

[marble saddle]

and thanks to my noah i tank their helm burst

[tropic summit]

ye they won't be able to heal either

now since it's an emi on RH b1 although your B3 in p3 is exposed

[marble saddle]

i mean they prob can heal with nayuta burst but thats negligible

[tropic summit]

and since helmt and emi are water code, how can we punish them?

[marble saddle]

by electric?

[hollow lagoon]

Sanis Lel?

Oh it’s unprotected

[tropic summit]

this fixes your issue of main B3 in p3 and increases your lethal with cindy

cindy in p4 will also prevent emi from gaining extra 1.25x burst gen

the other team, T2 is a no brainer, indom vestiTU will wipe after noah shield expires

[marble saddle]

yeah cause of p1-p3

for t3

damn..... i dont know how you make these teams from the fly of your head but i guess experience is the answer

[hollow lagoon]

I would prob slow Cindy t3

[tropic summit]

that's also doable

you can abuse helmT B3 for that

[hollow lagoon]

Helm wiuld kill Mihara

[tropic summit]

nayuta midhara rumani biscuit cindy

[marble saddle]

my mihara is def not even close to top atk stat

[hollow lagoon]

Wot

[tropic summit]

it can be any attacker in this case, both nayuta will die at same time and you'll have killed the whole team anyway

[marble saddle]

shes not even in the top 10 fire units

[tropic summit]

e.g.

nayuta rh rumani biscuit cindy would end up the same

[hollow lagoon]

The only way ur Mihara is low er in stats in a slow Cindy is if ur biscuit has a lot of attack lines and cores

[tropic summit]

midhara isn't even needed here anyway, you need her when enemy has sustain or tanks

[marble saddle]

biscuit is c7
mihara is lb1

[hollow lagoon]

Check stats

What’s with these people who brick their biscuit

[tropic summit]

can't believe i'm hearing this from the guy who was complaining he can't run indom because of his cores

[hollow lagoon]

No it wasnt’s indom

[marble saddle]

biscuit left vs mihara on right

[hollow lagoon]

It was a nice af cursed comp I wanted to make work

Looks like Mihara has more atk

[marble saddle]

mihara with 10% Ol stats
biscuit with 11%

[hollow lagoon]

Why tf do u have ol on biscuit

Do u people have infinite resources

Oh wait I also oled my biscuit

[marble saddle]

its something of a thing with me
i max out all things on units i use

[hollow lagoon]

I’m derping

Just take off biscuit cube problem solved

[marble saddle]

i didnt bother min max biscuit tho

anyway coming back to the atk.

[hollow lagoon]

Wow crit dmg biscuit

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

Wait my biscuit is almost 15% cs since when

[tropic summit]

show me the anis sacc as it's the most curious

[marble saddle]

will do. i need to save the deck first so gimme a min

[hollow lagoon]

I’m the type to gamba siren on the t3

[tropic summit]

hmm scar-siren on T3 would be effective

although you still need to survive nayuta B2 once she comes out of stun

[hollow lagoon]

I leveled my Trina’s heal

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit just fyi both your t1 and t2 have centi so im changing t1 centi to trina

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

ye that's fine

centi is my generic clip RL

[hollow lagoon]

Weird, 4% cs lib makes huge difference compared to 3%cs lib when trying to full auto kraken

[tropic summit]

lmao even the sacc worked

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/perfection-perfect-michael-fassbender-magneto-x-men-first-class-gif-2260686001358167676

[marble saddle]

cause rossana killed vesti before indom

[tropic summit]

ye the target was prevent vesti and force an xmaiden B3, xmaiden can get stuck on nayuta long enough

then she ended up reloading inevitably against rosanna

[marble saddle]

what i learned is
nothing beats experience

[hollow lagoon]

Now that u know rosana can yeet their attackers u know the kind of shit u can pull on them now

[tropic summit]

@marble saddle rejoice, your rosanna debut went well and she's clearly usable now

[hollow lagoon]

If means any attack on that opponent right now is simple as yeet by Rosa

[marble saddle]

id still like abit more Atk stat on her but seeing how uncooperative Vesti is being about her CS i might have to put some effort on rossana

[tropic summit]

8%CS vesti would be nice, then ye you can focus on ross 30-40 atk%

[marble saddle]

i keep getting ele and ammo for some reason

[hollow lagoon]

My 15% atk Rosa does the job , (now core7)

[marble saddle]

oh...... wait a min

[tropic summit]

@marble saddle recap on what rosanna does and you need to know about:

• she breaks jackal link at 1RL, as you can guess, this means she's a direct counter to any jackal lineup
• she targets 2 attackers, from left to right, if less than 2 attackers, she targets p1 and any attacker, if no attacker, p1 and p2 (she can be taunted)
• her nuke is lethal on water code, non lethal on FULL HP units, as such you want to weaken them first (like you saw we used emi to hit p2 and p3)
• she gives you burst gen when ally or enemy units die (33% circa), for example u saw once anis died you immediatly B1'ed. This is called sacc

[marble saddle]

guess i forgot about my rossana's stats

[tropic summit]

that looks already pretty good, get her 1 or 2 ele lines and 1 or 2 crit rate lines if possible, crit rate is just cherry on the top

[marble saddle]

no ammo?

guess the ol PVE rule of thumb that if MG = wants ammo does not apply for PVP

[swift mango]

How the heck do you QtE when auto kraken?

so you beat phase 9?

[tropic summit]

@marble saddle last bit that you learned, when dealing against emi + nayuta, always assume their B2 will be before yours, unless you've high CS%

if you ran blanc here, you'd have eaten the nuke on ele weak, very high chance for misindom if not dead on B2

you facetanked it safely here

B2 noah on 2RL was not in time for theirs

[marble saddle]

btw this only applies if we same RL speed right?

[tropic summit]

i think he has better CS% than you, on same speed you'd probably make it in time

[marble saddle]

if i was 2RL and they were 3RL then it be safe to use blanc right?

[tropic summit]

his emi and helm probably have 8% at least

well you can fix it by running safe approaches like this one, no biggie

down the line once you've more pvp invest and CS%, you'll no longer be punished by this

[marble saddle]

im working on my Vesti CS.
Assuming i manage to get 8% who should i fix next? Emillia?

[tropic summit]

emi on 25% becomes pretty powerful, enabling even faster teams

but it's expensive...

aim for 8% on both as starting goal

[marble saddle]

man..... 25% means 3 black CS%

[tropic summit]

it's actually just 4 4%CS lines

[marble saddle]

the rest from her S1?

[tropic summit]

it's with s1 aswell

[marble saddle]

kk

[tropic summit]

the keripo like emilia would be 38%CS

that's a whole extra threshold, but it's kinda unreal

[marble saddle]

would that be 1RL?

[tropic summit]

not 1RL, but it enables 1.7RL alright

[marble saddle]

or 0.5 RL?

oh..... guess i was off

[tropic summit]

essentially you hit B3 before opponent is on B2

i don't think you've to worry about that, it's ridicolous to even think 'bout it

25% is reasonable still

[marble saddle]

maybe if i manage to get this many rocks i can think about it

[ivory mango]

@tropic summit pls

[tropic summit]

this rookie?

[ivory mango]

sp

[marble saddle]

well ill leave you with your next patient dr rail

[ivory mango]

I still win t1

[tropic summit]

i only see 1 team tho, where the other 2

[ivory mango]

ignore t2

[tropic summit]

gonna use this box of yours
#pvp-arena message

[ivory mango]

t1 is winning
concern is t3 only

[hollow lagoon]

Auto kraken is to get 7 and immediately die

From first ele shield

[ivory mango]

also every pvp def have been breached
well, considering that I have 30 levels less it's to be expected

[hollow lagoon]

Which means auto kraken with crown is not recommends because crown might not die

[tropic summit]

do you know if their cindy team and s.anis team are 2.5RL or 3RL?

[ivory mango]

I'd say former

charto wa doko

[tropic summit]

run these

jackal quantum
scarlet any
vesti vigor
blanc vigor
trina quantum

nayuta any
noise vigor
helmt any
laplaceT any
rumani any

noah temp
biscuit vigor/temp
emi any
rh any
crown any

@ivory mango T2 is throw away so run this instead for testing

noise vigor
rumani temp
anchorIM vigor
helmT temp
laplaceT any

T1 and T3 (top and bottom) can stay as is

assemble the teams and show CP before running, unless you doing the check on your own

[tropic summit]

you're in deficit, cya

fight someone else

[ivory mango]

[hollow lagoon]

@swift mango

[glad meteor]

What if tho. Cook 🧑‍🍳

[shell hazel]

is nayuta ult usually that screen shakey?

[hollow lagoon]

Yes

Do I wanna turn it off? Can’t be bothered

[tropic summit]

played tetris already enough in the past hours

CBA making padded teams to meet barely passing teams

you're free to go ahead tho @glad meteor

[glad meteor]

Helm vs scar

Scalter vs nayuta. But need to check link and stuff.

Remove alice for clip sg

[tropic summit]

@ivory mango K is willing to help ya if you want to

[shell hazel]

is it the screen shake setting in the game? I had to turn it off when using RH it made my head spin lol

[tropic summit]

damn imagine benching crown

[glad meteor]

The Alice there is just cp pad

[glad meteor]

No

[glad meteor]

Scalter team vs cindy, but do you have clip sg high cp

[ivory mango]

lemme check

[glad meteor]

[ivory mango]

tdrake

[glad meteor]

Put drake in for alice, but now need to check link and make sure scalter gets indom

[ivory mango]

I won

Scalter took indom

[glad meteor]

[ivory mango]

thank you @glad meteor

ok now let's roleplay as a sitting duck on a hunting ground

[hollow lagoon]

crown likes to surive the final aoe making the fight longer

[tropic summit]

oh that's efficient even

[fickle jetty]

i wonder will this work

[tropic summit]

jackal isn't really needed there

[fickle jetty]

change to biscuit?

[tropic summit]

they've very little p1 pressure and mostly p5 pressure

they lack proper dps past 2RL nuke

which means, deny their p5 damage and out trade with your DPS past 2RL B2 shields down

[fickle jetty]

[tropic summit]

you can take the longer way with a stall approach

noah vestiTU helmT biscuit moran (this assumes vestiTU is 5-8%CS)

either way should work out

[fickle jetty]

7.19 CS

[tropic summit]

give her adjutant and you're fine

[fickle jetty]

ok thanks

[midnight marsh]

Is there a way to get into champions arena without whaling for combat power?

Maybe next SP season I will try harder This game is difficult

[glad meteor]

Get lucky on bracket reshuffle, or stay bricked

[neon cedar]

Still 1, defense goin strong @tropic summit thanks again 😁

[tiny scroll]

Anyone able to give me a hand against these teams? Here's my box.

[swift mango]

where is the phase 9.

[swift mango]

I guess it's doable

[hollow lagoon]

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

you're on the left, vestiTU is assumed 5-8%CS (or more)

these teams assume you're NOT in deficit, ensure you check by multiply enemy CP for 0.846 and checking your teams are above that number

T1
noah temp
biscuit vigor
vestiTU any
rosanna any
helmt any

T2
scarlet temp
blanc vigor
rh any
centi quantum
jackal quantum

T3
skip

[tiny scroll]

OK that worked great. I think I was pretty close to getting that one figured on my own. I got his T1 down and I shoulda known to scar his T2 since no noah or bay. Thanks for the help!

[frank ingot]

how to win this in rookie?

[tropic summit]

you need 1.501k to not be in deficit

[frank ingot]

isee, looks like I got 💳 diff?

[tropic summit]

yeah they've more invest than you do, enemy is although 3RL or 2.5RL at best, if you could pad a 2RL scarlet or similar nuke on jackal link you might still make it

post your box maybe you've that option

[umbral crown]

Just getting lucky like me

[tropic summit]

assemble this team (you're on the left) and let's see CP

[tropic summit]

hmm you're in range at least, worth a shot if you wanna try it

scarlet temperance
helmt temperance
blanc temperance
naga vigor
jackal quantum

[frank ingot]

let me try once, last attempt for today

[frank ingot]

thank you for this

[frank ingot]

here is a recorded attempt. I did a first run but blanc died. its a bit 50/50 if my blanc will stay alive or not, will test it further. Thank you

[glad meteor]

Can try rosa sg maybe if you have cp in the team

[tropic summit]

that's already his maximized CP unfortunately

he could use noir drakeT and rosa, but he'd go back into deficit

[tropic summit]

SR10 or SR15 could fix that, ensure you're already on temperance lvl 7

[frank ingot]

can I also ask what is the temperance cube? I only saw one that says tempering

[dim escarp]

@tropic summit
might be pointless to run stall team next CA with a soline only SR5 right ?

mine is only OL

but the whole team is build

I wonder going soline like this or lap+ / maiden

[tropic summit]

you lose out on 2nd rotation with this setup

[tropic summit]

ye it's tempering

[dim escarp]

yeah right :/

[tropic summit]

soline idea is good but not in that team imo

[dim escarp]

might need another b3

I wish I had mana build

then maiden I guess

[tropic summit]

ye or lib

keep in mind that team was run by keripo so it's probably not weak

i just don't find it as useful as the standard 2 rotations variation

[dim escarp]

my whale account dosen't invest wind so no libe

that's the choice I made cuz game isn't build to invest in 5 elem (speaking of rock)

I did pull Libe but only lb0, not planing to invest

[dim escarp]

yeah that's why I was tempted

maybe I'll try to run it just this CA for fun

we have this guy at home so it's not like I'm about to win anyway

[umbral belfry]

just get lucky

[cunning crown]

common blanc enjoyer w unfortunately

[dim escarp]

I'm about to

[eager shoal]

Hey, can anyone help me with fighting this mirror match?

[umbral belfry]

step one for mirror match:

don't mirror match

[eager brook]

Are SPA brackets determined by account creation date? E.g. someone starting now would never be put in the bracket of the #1 whale of the region

[gaunt pulsar]

yes, SPA is consists of people with around 50-80 server range max. so if you server **100 you would only be matched with people that are around 100-180, it's based on account creation date, and you generally do not get people that started earlier than you. You can look up your server number in your profile ingame.

[eager shoal]

Well if you have a better way of clearing the opponents team I'm all ears

[oak hatch]

I usually hit blanc teams with Noah biscuit

[slate falcon]

Scar hates seeing a Noah so you can try some comps that consist of Noah

[umbral belfry]

I would suggest a 2rl noah bisc team to negate scar indom

sorry for late reply i had a meeting

[eager shoal]

I tried that, my units stayed alive for a bit, but eventually got sweeped by scarlet :L

[glad meteor]

Top assumes treasured lap+

[umbral belfry]

k

Alternatively if you have vestiTU built you can kill off p2 blanc before she bursts

[shell hazel]

Hime!

[umbral belfry]

Hippo!

[shell hazel]

@glad meteor K!

damn we have two poggers!?

[glad meteor]

Hippo!

Hime!

[shell hazel]

Hime!

https://tenor.com/view/darling-in-the-franxx-smirk-anime-vampire-gif-16632051

[north brook]

Id only mirror if u know u have better invest

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry can you beat this boss for me?

[umbral belfry]

no

also man i got ahead of you sync level wise quick

f2p

[shell hazel]

extremely f2p 😄

[umbral belfry]

[vapid lake]

[glad meteor]

Next time just use hime as example. It’s possible for f2p to catch up to old players

[shell hazel]

then you just need to catch the f2p players as well :p

[hollow lagoon]

that union is a chinese pvp union aint it

has to murder 2 of them to win

this ca

both were tough customers

[hollow lagoon]

cant, but atleast my research leads to a drop in behemoth's requirement

[thorn dock]

Can someone help me out with these teams? I can probably take out teams 1 and 3

Here is my nikkes list
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNjA1ODgxOTc5NzA2MjM2MjQz&type=combat&openid=MjkwODAtNjA1ODgxOTc5NzA2MjM2MjQz

[ripe aurora]

Is f2p stands for free to pay in your example

[ivory violet]

I wouldn't recommend leveling attack on tia, she isn't as worth it to invest anymore these days. You could try putting Christmas Soline there instead she might live a little longer vs shotguns

[real mantle]

Any suggestions for my 2nd Attacking Team? (and swaps for the teams listed)

Havent really invested much in pvp this entire time. The only meta units i lack are the TU ones

[tropic summit]

suggest replacing s.anis for clip RL, it will allow your team to be from 3RL to 2RL

adding rumani will also make your team SG resistant if you face SG pressure when defending

[glacial haven]

Here is the special cook for the day. Again, Rosana MVP

[slate falcon]

Should work no?

[tropic summit]

siren weak

you're with your pants down against siren in any position

also biscuit stacks are used on p1 and p2, so cindy is unprotected if they 2RL nuke you

you wanna run cindy like that, just run 2.5RL

noise noah cindy biscuit xmaiden/rumani (prefer rumani as you retain SG resistance)

[shell hazel]

score: 3-0

[fierce totem]

Need some help with team building now that I'm getting slapped around in SP arena. I've read a few guides but I feel like the calculators for burst gen and team building isn't making much sense in terms of practical application. this is what I've got so far and this is my nikke list. Anything helps TIA https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNjQ4MjcyNTk0OTE3NjAzNzczNg%3D%3D&type=normal&openid=MjkwODAtNjQ4MjcyNTk0OTE3NjAzNzczNg%3D%3D

[vapid lake]

Railtracer to the rescue

[shell hazel]

it's a lovely set of hidden nikkes you got there

ros doesn't work at p1 really unless you link with jackal then she can, but she has conceal and gets target skipped even so

noise being your only b1 at p1 is also risky because people can just execute her before you can b1

[fierce totem]

oops that's awkward, how do i make it public

[shell hazel]

settings top right in the lock bit

[fierce totem]

ok got it, public now

[glacial haven]

All thanks to you guys. You all are the MVP

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-spongebob-gif-6081957

[tropic summit]

stick to these archetype, aim for 2RL or 2.5RL

#pvp-arena message

use any archetype you're high CP on, as that also comes to play (if opponent can gap you, any meta team becomes worthless)

prefer 1 indom, 1 stall and 1 any variation

[vapid lake]

[cedar sorrel]

Who is the best tetra nikke to wishlist if I already have: blanc nero bay and already have: biscuit wishlisted?

I was thinking rumani or noise? Ive also seen moran is good

[tropic summit]

rumani, trina, biscuit, noah, jackal, cinderella, liberalio, nayuta, vestiTU, RH, helm treasure, blanc, noise, moran, rapunzel, scarlet, rosanna, laplaceT

any of the above should be your target if not obtained/built yet

[vapid lake]

[cedar sorrel]

Anyone who gets priority tho in tetra?

Otherwise Ill just do rumani cuz she seems flexible

[tropic summit]

i'd say rumani more than noise, situationally you'll need her more than noise

[vapid lake]

[cedar sorrel]

Sounds like a plan! I theoretically have passed the 160 barrier just need 60 more silver mileage but Im saving gems for xmas and ny so may as well update my wishlist

[shell hazel]

may as well get rumani and noise though?

[cedar sorrel]

I mean this is my current tetra wishlist do u think noise is better over who? (Already have blanc rouge sodab)

Maybe noir? Idk if shes good enough in pve compared to how good noise is in pvp

[shell hazel]

maybe b.milk but it depends what your focus is

once you get someone you can also swap her back in

all 5 are still pretty good options there and so you will need at least 6 in total anyway

[cedar sorrel]

Ill replace bmilk then because I think I have a better chance doing well in my sp arena pool than do well in raids and stuff lol especially cuz pvp gives a lot of gems

Thanks Rail and Hippos 💪

[shell hazel]

I don't even have b.milk she's about the only nikke I don't have

outside of limited ones anyway

it also matters on when you can build/use I think, even if I had b.milk she's about 30 nikkes down my build list 😄

[cedar sorrel]

Yea thats true at this time I havent even "built" my super meta nikke

[shell hazel]

exactly so you got time to re-add her later anyway I think

[cedar sorrel]

Good pointers 💪

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit HUHH?????
I didnt change my Def teams

[umbral crown]

[marble saddle]

My def teams since yesterday

absolutely easy to beat

guess ill go do my dailies instead

[tropic summit]

maybe you're gapping him? did you increase synchro or invest?

[marble saddle]

i was 649 yesterday
he was 630 yesterday
now hes 631 so idk man

now im 650 so make it make sense
as for invest im working on soda now so shes not even in the teams

[tropic summit]

hmm think he messed up with biscuit procs in T1 and skipped T3

meaning he probably beat T2 but messed up against T1

you should probably move blanc away from p2 tho

jackal vestiTU 2ndlink blanc unlinked

you don't really need p5 linked as SR feed is minimal

[marble saddle]

[marble saddle]

wait i cant move units from this team since my linked units are Helm and Lap
if i want vesti to be linked i prob need to remove Lap for Xmaid

[tropic summit]

you don't need helmT in vestiTU team

jackal vestiTU laplaceT blanc centi, you're on enough feed to be 2RL

5%CS vestiTU and you're 2RL

even assuming you don't have any CS% on vestiTU, you're 96% to 2RL, you get 3.7%ish from the lowest feed teams, you're 2RL

since you've p1 and p2 linked you gain a tad more feed aswell, so no matter what you're 2RL

[marble saddle]

k done

[tropic summit]

now with helmT free you better get another team 2RL or 2.5RL

[marble saddle]

would this work?

[tropic summit]

don't even bother with lib on defense, change B3 for T2

you can use lib as flex clip SG burst gen tier but not main B3

[marble saddle]

[tropic summit]

remember that if you want to use lib as main B3 it needs to be indom or stall, if she doesn't survive 2RL her nuke is nearly worthless

[marble saddle]

???

[tropic summit]

emi as main B3 is a bad choice, especially if unbuffed, scrap T2 again, T1 is too slow (cindy noise noah need to be 2.5RL)

[marble saddle]

then i prob dont have another b3 nuker thats even close to serviceable
i could go for rossana sac team type

[tropic summit]

you've a good B3 and a team you can make 2RL with it

also include either rosanna or siren in that team

[marble saddle]

who scar team? very flimsy on def iirc

[marble saddle]

i cant tell if you were refering to Thelm as the good B3 but just out of morbid curiosity

[tropic summit]

hmm passable but you need anti nuke

helm is deleted as main B3 in that

[marble saddle]

anti nuke is noah on t1 so you either mean to move her to t2 or you referring to use blanc who will reduce my 2RL

i dont think bay on def is gonna win me any prizes

[tropic summit]

centi in T1 is gonna need to be anis, and from what you learned with saccing... what could you make of that?

[marble saddle]

i knew it. scar was included in those 3 teams

[tropic summit]

you only have 1 indom and 1 antinuke, inevitably a team is gonna need to be:

• slow cindy (nayuta variant)
• glass cannon (scar-siren, scar-soda, scar-ros)
• sacc teams (ros with any variants)

[marble saddle]

didnt we want anis to die fast so Rossana could Burst asap?

[tropic summit]

yes but on defense opponent can use that at their own advantage, remember how we prevent saccing?

as such you'd actually want a standard team with early pressure instead, but having a backup B3 that can punish opponent if they kill or stun your scarlet

[marble saddle]

ah so a double trap

[tropic summit]

mhm

[marble saddle]

and considering anis's frail stats she might still die even at pos 4

[tropic summit]

to be honest the whole point of a scarlet or early aggresion team is to force a noah out of opponent cards

then they're stucking dealing with the other 2 teams without noah available anymore

[marble saddle]

these mind games man....

[tropic summit]

defense is fighting an hopeless battle, the best you can do is make it as hard as possible

or lay traps

[marble saddle]

so you mean like him? changing def teams to pre planned ones every 30 mins?

[tropic summit]

nah that's just being toxic

[marble saddle]

[tropic summit]

i meant matchup that appear 1 way but have hidden cards in it

like that nayuta 2RL you dealt with noah instead of indomming it

the trap was that nayuta hits B2 before noah shield is up

or the vestiTU indom team that had backup xmaiden B3

if you didn't have nayuta you'd still have dealt with vestiTU only to lose to indom xmaiden

that's where def has their potential to win, but it requires the opponent to miss those details

[marble saddle]

so that explain why im at a disadvantage

[tropic summit]

ye whoever was designing those defs just had knowledge advantage on you, at the end of the day

[marble saddle]

[marble saddle]

ok i did as you advised but i changed the team positions
aka t1 is actually t3 etc
that shouldnt affect the overall situation too much i think

[tropic summit]

meaningless against most opponents, works well against those who just auto it i guess

[marble saddle]

i mean look at my current battle report.
i woke up expecting chal 4
seeing chal 3 i thought hmm so he still hasnt atked
then opening battle report im like

you never know when someone screws up

[marble saddle]

also what do you think about Soda's invest?
x/x/10 skills
SR 5 doll
4 OL gears with as much CP as possible bar 4 atks

[tropic summit]

as long as you use her p4 she doesn't really need much

SR5 temperance ensures she generally won't die against scarlet s2

[marble saddle]

as always ty for your time

[tropic summit]

the whole point of a soda def is just to be annoying, because you've to account for RNG

[marble saddle]

yeah 2 units stunned

[vapid lake]

I want to do this but i also don't want people to copy me

[tropic summit]

then you've to face each others RNG setups

[vapid lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6cb13hrzQ0 at 0:43s brid is not a clip sg

[tulip quest]

Diesiel clip RL?

or not?

Man they didn't show her reloading aaaa

[umbral belfry]

we didn't see diesel reload so don't think we know yet

only saw brid reload and yeah she's not clip

[tropic summit]

everytime a new SG/RL unit is released

[umbral belfry]

[vapid lake]

Stop the diesel cope

Look at her reload anim, its clearly mag

[umbral belfry]

hey i don't want her to be a clip

need to save for NY

so works for me

[vapid lake]

U 🐳 just swipe harder

[tropic summit]

what if you're wrong? what if SU still releases her clip? how are you gonna take responsability?

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

we jump him

[vapid lake]

How she reload a gun like that that's mag fed then. take the mag out, put the rounds in the mag one by one, then put the mag back into the gun?

[tropic summit]

yes all of that offscreen so you can't see and get jebaited

[placid bloom]

double SR unit

[umbral belfry]

a good day for pve g o o ns

[vapid lake]

2 mid units that are only good for bedroom

The real good shit is next banner

[umbral belfry]

[severe tundra]

Random shoutout to Railtracer again for coming up with my def teams. Holding up against guys 30 synchro above me.

[vapid lake]

I'll tell those guys to come here and ask railtracer to build team for them

[severe tundra]

I wonder if he ever built teams against teams he helped build in the past.

https://tenor.com/view/geri-game-pixar-shorts-chess-gif-15967154