pvp-arena

[hollow lagoon]

sad

[tropic summit]

even more so on wind code anyway

[glacial haven]

Send it?

[tropic summit]

either way T1 and T2 look solid from hippo's cook

T3 will just go ultra cope mode

[shell hazel]

yeah send

[glacial haven]

Bruh.....

The coping hits hard....

[shell hazel]

lmao

wtf went on with t2 then?

[tropic summit]

think i know what happened

[glacial haven]

I will record the replay. Hold on.

[shell hazel]

if we can link noise that archtype for t2 should be a lot easier

[tropic summit]

did he have the CS% on vesti?

[shell hazel]

both teams would be 2RL though

[tropic summit]

if he's 2.5RL and cindy is 2RL, he still can get hit on 2 units

if those 2 units are either noah or vesti, that can change a lot of things

[hollow lagoon]

which one was the t2

[tropic summit]

cindy team on 2RL

@shell hazel good thing we had plan B on T3

[shell hazel]

literally any CS on vesti should get that to 2RL + minimal feed

[hollow lagoon]

i take credit i baited him to purp doll rosa

[tropic summit]

he needs 5%-8% iirc

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-take-credit-for-that-irv-gotti-ruff-ryders-taking-credit-claim-credit-gif-18240010

[tropic summit]

we can see from the record soon anyway

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-earned-it-alexis-rose-alexis-annie-murphy-schitts-creek-gif-20774332

[tropic summit]

in theory, on same speed, hyperbuff vesti shouldn't lose in DPS to that team so it's gonna be interesting

[hollow lagoon]

wot

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[hollow lagoon]

there's nothing buffing vesti dps, shoulda ran ada

[tropic summit]

he has ada

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

yeah we ran the ada version

[tropic summit]

that's why it's curious, he was on lifesteal even

my guess atm is that he was 2.5RL and got cinderella'ed

[shell hazel]

without rapu/noise buff maybe cindy just chomped through anyway she can hit pretty hard st

[tropic summit]

jackal with noah generally does stall very well, but on lifesteal it should be a different story

[quick lake]

Weak vesti, or sniped

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/tobiichi-origami-anime-date-a-live-sniper-gif-17353119

[shell hazel]

even with no CS at all on vesti should basically be 2RL

this does not account for any jackal feed either

[tropic summit]

indeed, that's why it's quite curious

if he doesn't upload the video, we shall consider finding him and kidnapping him

the science must come to light

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel grab the popcorn

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

[glacial haven]

[shell hazel]

god that t3 was clutch lol

[tropic summit]

yeah jackal killed that team

[shell hazel]

I actually think the doll upgrade did it

[tropic summit]

that helm must be pretty high on ele atk tho, link got killed so fast

hitting poor vesti for ele weak

[hollow lagoon]

literal doll difference

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon the doll man, unreal

literally the f*ing doll saved this match

zant mvp ultra chad

[glacial haven]

Alright... It was worth it upgrading the doll... I give you that....

[shell hazel]

3 times winner for a reason 😄

good news is that t1 was like I expected

[tropic summit]

didn't even get to sacc anis in the end

[shell hazel]

t2 needs a re-think that was not safu

[tropic summit]

bench jackal

[hollow lagoon]

indom vesti on t2 it is

[tropic summit]

stall with proper noah biscuit and you'd be ok

[shell hazel]

we can't use biscuit she's on t1 unless we try out the moran/trina thing

[shell hazel]

or re-think t1 a bit more fundamentally

[glad meteor]

I think this shoulf be consistent wins

[hollow lagoon]

i mean u can techanically just jackal

and indom

[glad meteor]

Quantum on jackal. Vesti target indom

[shell hazel]

I think my original suggestion of noise linked rapu version would also work but means rolling noise a bit

[hollow lagoon]

id if that would work ur still having vesti linked that helm will pop vesti regardless

noise does giv mroe health

[shell hazel]

I face exactly the same comp here and they have way more sync etc than I did, with noise and rapu it's pretty safe imohttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/inyFv164o2A

[tropic summit]

it's overcommited, you can't run that in SP arena

jackal and noah in same team is generally unsustainable

[hollow lagoon]

why are we over thinking this couldent we just slow cindy it

[tropic summit]

we're lucky their vesti wasn't lethal on blanc buff somehow, ultra brickeroni saved the day

[shell hazel]

works fine if the opponent has a standard 2RL scar at least though typically yes I would agree jackal + noah on same team not always a good plan

I think we need to consider the alt options anyway if opponent gets it back, def need a change as the t3 was extremely clutch here

[hollow lagoon]

why dont we... try the salad comp

[shell hazel]

science worked

[tropic summit]

yeah i don't know how consistent is T3

[shell hazel]

I dislike slow cindy for consistency

[tropic summit]

he pulled a zant

[shell hazel]

too much rng

[hollow lagoon]

i demand the salad comp

[shell hazel]

with the caesar dressing!

[tropic summit]

truly popcorn moment we got out of this

the more i watch it the more hilarious it is

[shell hazel]

it was the team of all time

[tropic summit]

there's so many lucky variables in here that are insane

1. scar surviving
2. rosanna staying alive up until jackal reloads on the very last hit

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

The funny part is last ca finals the opponent team had more invest than I did

Max doll sr anis yeesh

Max doll 150k soda

[rustic sandal]

Oh nah. No way a whale lost to my half baked team.

[shell hazel]

not sure I want to max doll soda tbh but SR-5 seems OK as a goal

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mustang-nikke-nikkemustang-mustangdance-entertainment-gif-16613130428471801958

Well. At least i could give you all some....

[hollow lagoon]

He won because gib Rosa doll cuz hot

[tropic summit]

[glacial haven]

I saved this this, but it's not reliable at all.

[hollow lagoon]

Truly rewarded cuz I’m a degenerate

[glacial haven]

Too many variables.

[tropic summit]

Waifu over meta triumphs.

[shell hazel]

if you get same again you can try the teams that rail posted above, or that K posted

[hollow lagoon]

Imma nominate my salad team for t2

[tropic summit]

Zant has the right to call dibs on this.

he's the one who made t3 possible

go with zant cookeroni if you face the same teams again

[glacial haven]

My SPA is has too much equal teams. But even if i run the same comp in one player, it doesn't work on another one.

It's kinda messy.

[tropic summit]

that's normal, once you climb to upper ranks it should always need adhoc tailoring

[glacial haven]

I should save those teams you guys send me.

Sure this was too damn close, and if i run it again, i certainly would lose.

Any case, this guy will take me out a few hours from now. But in any case, can i tag you guys and send the replay when the time's come?

[tropic summit]

when you're unsure what to run, just post your box and matchup here, someone will definitely help if we're not on

[glacial haven]

I know. And I TRULY appreciate the community good willing and knowledge. But I must learn the mechanics too and be more useful here.

[tropic summit]

that's a good mindset, you can always give it a shot yourself and if it fails post record and ask why it went wrong and what you could've done

trial and error can work to increase your experience

[glacial haven]

I just got a folder here with plus 100 comps here on what works or not. But the intrinsic details and the deep mechanics is what my knowledge lacks. Just learned theses days what means (kinda) 2RL, 2.5RL.

Nikke deck, didnt know that existed. Just googled image and found out.

[tropic summit]

that's progress

[shell hazel]

wait I told you about it here
#pvp-arena message

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/only-war-reason-gaming-warhammer-gif-17304554

[glacial haven]

Keripo's spreadsheets, Pryden's and Nikke.gg. I keep reading it all, just to try to know what I'm doing. (And failing miserably.)

[hollow lagoon]

i wouldent trust prydwen and nikke.gg

[tropic summit]

theory helps, but directly learning by trial and error can be more effective

[glacial haven]

To the point i spend 800 gems on ONE guy.

[hollow lagoon]

ok that's excessive

[shell hazel]

some common concepts around how you use jackal link effectively

how to biscuit lock a defender to tank etc

[hollow lagoon]

how do u biscuit lock

there's a way to lock?

[shell hazel]

🔒

[tropic summit]

i'll lock you up in the basement

[hollow lagoon]

i own a basement u cant lock me

it leads to the garage

[tropic summit]

time to build a wall

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-donald-trump-our-cartoon-president-our-cartoon-president-gifs-gif-11157399

[glacial haven]

She can lock me up....

[hollow lagoon]

Choose your loyalty

[glacial haven]

Dont do this to me.....

(I do have this art too)

[hollow lagoon]

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[hollow lagoon]

anyway here's the salad comp

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/kowalski-noted-penguins-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-1306663699157096677

[hollow lagoon]

as fo what to use it on?

i have not a clue

[tropic summit]

stall comp with lifesteal, just a variation of the better 2 cycle stall comp with moran noah

would work against enemy T2 btw

[hollow lagoon]

list of things the salad comps has killed

[tropic summit]

was helmT bypassing bay anti nuke?

[hollow lagoon]

one did one didnt

if ur asking about the 2 vesti comps

[tropic summit]

the one that didn't was 2RL, the one who did was 2.5RL i guess

ye those

[hollow lagoon]

the one that did by pass, shot the jackal or vesti and vanished that team

[tropic summit]

you nuked link as they were on B1 while you were on B3, makes sense

[shell hazel]

was noise linked?

[glacial haven]

This comps are for Blanc-Vesti comps?

[shell hazel]

I noticed that not everyone figures out that noise p1 is unlinked in that comp 😄

[hollow lagoon]

@glacial haven list of things the salad has died to

given i cant test my own teams

[tropic summit]

how much % does your salad feed

14%... makes sense

unfortunate, you fed them just enough to get them to 2RL

[hollow lagoon]

[thin geyser]

Help, she atk me 5 times in an hour

Can you make me better Def? This is the current one last Def that won then lose

[glacial haven]

Didnt know CA was this cool.

Anyway... Saving the battle

[hollow lagoon]

would not trust it completely on indom vesti

[glacial haven]

Kinda way too close.

It could gone wrong very easily.

[hollow lagoon]

tbh the life steal was making helm very healthy

going wrong is hard but stronger vesti could overwhelm me?

[tropic summit]

can you post their 3 current defs?

[glacial haven]

She chomped a pretty good chunk of HP, but your Helm hold on.

[hollow lagoon]

my helm is also a 4 cs helm

[glacial haven]

Maybe if she had better lines, maybe?

[hollow lagoon]

i wouldent know

you think i test my teams before i send it?

[thin geyser]

They always change but I always manage to beat 2 defs.

[glacial haven]

Same as me....

[tropic summit]

ok you can't defend against this one

they can gap your defenses and win any other remaining

that team with anis is gapping up to your 145k CP

[glacial haven]

That's why i spend +800 gem only on one player.

[tropic summit]

meaning they can push that CP even higher without using anis

[hollow lagoon]

i figure typically u figure out by trial 4 lel

[tropic summit]

you need 3 teams on average 145-150k CP, to at least prevent 2 teams from being gapped and at that point they can just commit to the weaker of the 2

esssentially, you cannot realistically defend against this one

(unless you increase your CP)

[glacial haven]

That's why i dont like PvP. I'm way too competitive, and if i start to get a loss streak, i start to get frustrated and do this kind of stuff.

My stubbornness don't let me slip by.

[tropic summit]

this is not the kind of game you should bother with pvp at that level to be honest

it's a trap to get you to spiral back and forth

the game is skewed for gemmers and attackers

you're not meant to deal with that sh*t

[glacial haven]

And i know this. That is the worst of all.

[tropic summit]

my tip is, use your attempts and then close the game till next day

[thin geyser]

Ahh icic. Yeah before she uses 180k CP def with anis, although I can beat it too. But as you said it can be much stronger without anis.
I can't increase CP yet, usually I push on my pc. This 2 week I'm away.

[hollow lagoon]

u get as good as @tropic summit to murder everything with intelligence and experiece, or u play the way su intended

[glacial haven]

Even more if you have the lowest CP on the challenger tier. It makes you a target. Well.... there are day i take 5+ attacks.

[thin geyser]

Thanks anyway~ I'll keep this in mind. i think I'll still be on top 3 anyway (hopefully)

[tropic summit]

yep, essentially you're best avoiding this opponent until you can play on equal ground

[tropic summit]

ye looks good, keep it up

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/bullying-tolerated-bullying-is-tolerated-is-go-away-gif-23261696

But nevertheless. I know i shouldnt bother with pvp...

[hollow lagoon]

If ur union have some one that can get to champ arena for rewards ur not missing out much

[glacial haven]

There is. Well. At least i get those arena tickets. Which i run out constantly.

[hollow lagoon]

Never have enuff

[glacial haven]

Well, if I'm not abusing from your good will, mind give your opinion on my defense teams?

[hollow lagoon]

Rosa replace lib I would

Vesti team will indom incorrectly

[glacial haven]

By the stats, Ada is recieving the indom

[hollow lagoon]

No

Rumani gets indom

Blanc gib indom to character with lowest hp percentage?

[glacial haven]

Yes

[hollow lagoon]

So rumani at p1 getting hit = rumani indom

[glacial haven]

But Biscuit is holding out Rumani, while vesti keeps taking damage

[hollow lagoon]

Oh ye doing one of thous

Vesti unlikely to get hit much

[glacial haven]

P2, maybe?

[hollow lagoon]

Since preburst aoe tends to not touch p3

[glacial haven]

Try to force it by splash damage?

[hollow lagoon]

U can

Blanc vesti rumani biscuit Ada/rapun

Ada is buff for dps, rapun can be added and switch place with rumani incase ur vesti dies

[glacial haven]

Both options are really interesting.

The impression I got is, Ada doesn't buff Vesti at all. I didn't notice any considerable change in damage.

I will run Ada a little. If i continue to lost some defenses, i change to Rapun and give it a go.

[keen vapor]

@tropic summit I did it

I giga brick Vesti

[hollow lagoon]

@glacial haven

[nimble swan]

that's very interesting, my vesti got noticeable stronger

but it all depends on investment

[covert lintel]

Weak

[keen vapor]

So mean

[glacial haven]

SR 15 - 10/10/10 - OL 5 x4

[tropic summit]

that's a nice pve vestiTU

[glacial haven]

Rapunzel looking fine

[tropic summit]

replace charge dmg and def with atk% and you could turn her in pretty gud pvp vesti

[keen vapor]

Is PVP she obliterates Noahs and Blancs

[glacial haven]

T1 Mihara's is just to sacrifice her, right?

[hollow lagoon]

Ye

[rich quail]

no atk

[keen vapor]

I tried

[rich quail]

Bro it’s ok
Just keep rollin

[glacial haven]

Was reading Mihara's skills (and trying to understand it), it's basically a DoT, right?

[hollow lagoon]

Ye

[nimble swan]

probably your vesti is strong enough so it's not a huge additon to something like that

[glacial haven]

After she dies, she keeps damaging in 50% whoever she 'marked'.

[radiant coral]

that purple mihara

do you even need Mihara BC to work a slow cindy

[quick lake]

wins more match ups

[keen vapor]

Rheax, you don't like my Besti?

[quick lake]

Its okay. Nice ele, but no atk

My Besti needs work too

[vivid basalt]

Hey guys i need to fix my team, cant beat him after hes changed

Any guides of this?

[zinc flicker]

Is Noise even good in arena? I’ve only ever used Siren, Jackal, and Rapunzel for my burst I’s

[ivory violet]

Yeah noise is pretty good

[zinc flicker]

For her Taunt or…

[ivory violet]

dmg reduction, taunt, buffs max hp, heals a little bit

just ok burst gen tho

[zinc flicker]

I see

Wait can’t I just use Helm and Noah for that

[thin abyss]

Use the Helm team to win against their Scarlett
And I think team 3 should win always

[ivory violet]

If you have other units invested for SP Arena she's not necessary, nice to have for CA tho

[zinc flicker]

Alr will do

[obtuse dagger]

man i feel shit this dude just cook something new to me and then all i can do is copy him and tweak it a lil bit to win where's my originality maaaannnnn

[spiral onyx]

Does Bay's block have a delay of sort

Doesn't seem to block the Scarlet nuke

[hollow lagoon]

Slow Cindy….. kill with 2rl nuke

[tropic summit]

same speed bay catches scar nuke, but only if you've remaining cover

e.g if you're 2RL but opponent is 2.5RL and your cover died between that timeframe, your team doesn't block it but distributes it

[tropic summit]

he's on deficit on T3

[hollow lagoon]

Oh hi tracer of the rail

Do u ever sleep 😎

[tropic summit]

you're on deficit on T3, T1 and T2 are both doable, T3 you just need to pad it out a bit

post your box and we can probably make a plan

[tropic summit]

i woke up 1 hour ago

[obtuse dagger]

wouldnt that make me die by mihara passive because biscuit proc'd?

[hollow lagoon]

2rl lib nuke

Hit so hard biscuit don’t get to proc that’s all

[hollow lagoon]

[spiral onyx]

Her cover is full HP at time of burst and at time of Scarlet nuke in the video recording

[tropic summit]

were you on B2 while enemy was on B3?

[tropic summit]

you're not 2RL (or at least opponent was faster than you)

bay B2 didn't cast before enemy B3 cast

whole team was with pants down

as you can see bay cover is intact, if you caught it, you'd lose her cover

note that heavy CS% difference can make scarlet fast enough to hit before enemy is on B2

i rewatched it slowly and that's not 2RL but probably 2.2RLish

if opponent is also on CS%, it seems likely bay wasn't in time, which matches to her still holding cover

this thingie here is probably the root cause

you're 2%ish away from being natural 2RL

maybe vesti whiffed because you killed trina too fast

suffering from your own invest again

[spiral onyx]

Ok, there is a delay

Between Bay's B2 and the effect actually taking place

[tropic summit]

you removed laplace and put centi instead though

if you're natural 2RL, this works

[spiral onyx]

In that screenshot, we are already on B3

So the issue is, just like Noah, there's a slight delay before Bay's effect actually takes place

[tropic summit]

there's no delay, you were slower in the previous

you were 2.2RL

B3 was cast before your B2

[tropic summit]

laplace shoots twice and you're still not bursting

[spiral onyx]

Bay already cast

And I'm in B3 selection phase

[tropic summit]

opponent has already cast B3

it's a matter of speed again

this is typical for speeds that hit before B2 is applied

it's like running 2RL against 2.5RL

if you're non natural 2RL, but say 2.2RL, you'll eat the nuke

[spiral onyx]

This is also where Nikke Deck is wildly inaccurate lol

[tropic summit]

i agree with you to a degree, because we know of a certain delay (like blanc casting heal but not applying indom)

but this is consistant with non natural speeds

bay needs to match instant nuke speed to ensure she catches them

[tropic summit]

1.7RL (or similar faster than 2RL) against non natural 2RL will end up making it eat the nuke

[tropic summit]

nah nikkework is inaccurate when vestiTU is involved sadly

the lad hasn't updated it either recently

[spiral onyx]

I think I just have to replace Laplace with Centi sadly

[tropic summit]

yeah that probably fixes it as long as you're on natural

[ivory mango]

arigatou gozaimasu

[shell hazel]

that's why we nikke.top now

[ivory mango]

this guy wants me ever since I was top 1

[tropic summit]

he wants some french baguette

[tropic summit]

interface looks quite similar

[shell hazel]

it's 100% the same just has actual updates and stuff like lib is there

[tropic summit]

naruhodo

next tests i'll probably use this one instead

[vapid lake]

nikke.top?

[sand crest]

real pvp

[glad meteor]

nikke.bottom

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit 8% vesti cant natural make 2rl

yeesh need 20%+

[tropic summit]

put the links correctly

but this was tested already with another lad, 8%CS is generally enough

[umbral belfry]

nikke.top is the new updated version of work btw

[tropic summit]

e.g. a 2RL vestiTU via CS% can be equivalent to natural 2RL

[umbral belfry]

https://nikke.top

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

go to bed k

[hollow lagoon]

i know, its like 2 and 1/4 with 8% pertty guud

[tropic summit]

although 20%CS would be wild in a different sense

[glad meteor]

[hollow lagoon]

i dont have the money to roll that

[tropic summit]

i dont have the sanity to roll that*

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

salad is actually sub 2rl

[glad meteor]

Time to start the day

[hollow lagoon]

i see how it is

centi is a bit of a waste maiden better, just enough to feed with siren to prevent stun

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit is the charge speed rounding pvp only or pvp and pve

[tropic summit]

think it's for both, although i never bothered checking for pve

[hollow lagoon]

bro u telling adjut cube level 7 is almost completely useless

[tropic summit]

adjutant is useful... if you missing that 2% on something

say you want that juicy 21%CS helmT... and you're 19%... adjutant and boom, done

[hollow lagoon]

but the upgrade from 5 to 7 is useless

[nimble swan]

Im sure rounding is the same, devs wouldn’t bother handle them differently

They are lazy

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

...more slots?

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

[lusty gull]

[glad meteor]

[keen vapor]

Me when loading doesn't loads and I'm still waiting:

Oh finally

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren scarlet trina lib
• nayuta anis helmt rh drakeT
• noise bay vestiTU biscuit rumani

Notes

• wishlist centi, noah
• consider treasuring laplaceT
• invest in your utilities

[keen vapor]

Rail finished cooking again before I could even start

[tropic summit]

i ran out of oil, beer and dish soap
also short on fruit and red meat

gonna stock up

time for le groceries and touching grass

[umbral crown]

Rail too op

[tulip quest]

It's also good to eats lots of different cooks

If I was a newbie asking for help I would consider both cooks

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

For example, that Vesti should go- BAY TREASURE ON THIS ECONOMY?!

[tropic summit]

he's noahless

[keen vapor]

Where's my Liter treasure

Now that Naga gets the bench I'm getting more Liter copies instead

[tropic summit]

give me blanc treasure

[tulip quest]

She's already strong tho I think shift up gives treasure most times to characters used way less by players

I want 1 on My Guillotine tho TREASURE

And Crow to give her suicde skill

[glad meteor]

Just wait till hell is unleashed

[tropic summit]

you know of things you shouldn't

[glad meteor]

Imagine the possibilities

[tropic summit]

[keen vapor]

I still struggle with it

[glad meteor]

[keen vapor]

On one side, we have the Helm treasure that adds nonsense to her kit just to make sellings with it

On the other we have Tove that adds smalls QOLs to her skills

[glad meteor]

It has to be some bait to milk people kits before new year pilgrim/os

[tulip quest]

Tove pretty broken in pve btw makes her 3 stacks for SG Guaranteed instead of just chance

[keen vapor]

They don't release treasures before the year ends

[glad meteor]

What if they pull a viper

Weird timing

[keen vapor]

Viper was before standardization happened

Else we could have got Miranda treasure early

[tropic summit]

chime treasure and surprise everyone

her treasure: naked crown

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Doing it this early seems more like a waste/scam

[tropic summit]

you think SU isn't familiar with scams?

[keen vapor]

I'm still waiting for my Sora No Otoshimono collab

Shift Up wouldn't scam me by putting that option once

[tropic summit]

damn that's cute af

[keen vapor]

Maybe nymph VA doesn't wants to do that character anymore

[silent sonnet]

what are the best OL lines for Vesti?

[keen vapor]

A combo of attack, ele, 2 max ammo, and charge speed

[silent sonnet]

is ele necessary in pvp tho?

[hollow lagoon]

8% cs 12ish ammo rest attack and ele

13ammo=16 shots? with bastion?

[keen vapor]

Look at mine
And yes

[keen vapor]

I suppose...

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/kaiba-kaiba-pen-gif-9147447525895601167

[silent sonnet]

i just rolled 20 rocks, idk if i could find any worse lines placement

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Vesti is fire code while Noah and Blanc are wind

They get obliterated so early is so fun

[hollow lagoon]

mine's serviceable

[keen vapor]

Almost happened to me the other day

[swift mango]

Actually happened to me every 3 days now.

[keen vapor]

Job making you busy or something?

[silent sonnet]

should i keep this

[keen vapor]

At least for now

At the very least you will lock ammo to fish for more attack/CS

[silent sonnet]

😭 the other pieces

[keen vapor]

Man

[silent sonnet]

i hate third lines not coming up

it's such a scam

[swift mango]

I only log in once a day now. So easy to miss an hour or so.

[umbral crown]

sounds like me

[swift mango]

Btw, can you send me the Champ of your bracket?

[umbral crown]

sometimes it goes to 36-48h

[keen vapor]

It was nana

Sending at section if it's still up in game

He won this

[swift mango]

I mean the screen shot of his 5 teams.

[keen vapor]

That's what I meant by sending at section

[swift mango]

That's bad. You might need to buy resource to get to CA soon.

[umbral crown]

nah

[swift mango]

https://discord.com/channels/1314994208691589190/1361204166919458896

Or another channel?

[glad meteor]

[umbral crown]

@swift mango

[quartz vortex]

how good is that guys team

[umbral crown]

most likely they need to

[swift mango]

A bit better than unusable. But you burst with RH so you lose.

[quartz vortex]

whod be better?

[swift mango]

Burst with Cindy and you win easily

[umbral crown]

Im safe at the top watching the action as people fight for C4 only

[tropic summit]

you're on deficit btw, you need 240k CP minimun

[swift mango]

For now. My be reshuffle would change things

[umbral crown]

even before, i was c2 all the time

people in this bracket can not really match my investment

[quartz vortex]

yeah jackal nad noah dont have overload

[tropic summit]

it's a peaceful life indeed

[umbral crown]

we doing c1 bizzness

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/dio-stone-ocean-wine-jojo-part6-gif-24021336

[umbral crown]

[quartz vortex]

is it prio to overload noah and jackal or i can just sit on it

[tropic summit]

they just happen to be core units, you want a chance at pvp, you'll want them overloaded and SR5

[quartz vortex]

[quick lake]

Chill SPA is greaaaat

[keen vapor]

And Blanc, and centi, and Biscuit....

[quartz vortex]

at least blanc can be used in other content too

[keen vapor]

Not for newbies with bunny Ade out there

Unless

[clear depot]

Also that's lucky that you dont get paired with some heavy spenders, but i give you credit for no one trying to fight you lol

[tropic summit]

the problem with Rosy is that even spenders/gemmers fear him

he has whels/spenders who could beat him, but they don't bother because they know he'd be gemming them out of their existance

[umbral crown]

I was once with a mega wheel who gapped me 112 levels or so but the rest could do much against me so i ws C2 the whole time

[tropic summit]

rosy is the raidboss of his bracket

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[keen vapor]

Why #pvp-arena is bricking

[umbral crown]

C2 is 521, C3 501 and the rest over 461

So 481 but im still 461

[clear depot]

wdym? on his bracket i can not recognize any whaler/heavy spender? Maybe guy #2 kind of yes, i may see that, but everyone else seems average to me? Or i have my vision of a whale a bit wrong?

This is my bracket, which comparing to Rosy, mine looks like has many whales (?
i had my few hours of #1 here just because i tested my strength, but normally i am in #5 and being constantly attacked so i dont go usually for the top to minimize my spendings for arena battles

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

by the gods

[keen vapor]

You're whale as well

[clear depot]

Wait wat? Because my SBS skin? XD

[keen vapor]

Yes

[umbral crown]

[clear depot]

Well, she's my fave, the one and only ever got gacha skin in my acc ❤️ for the rest i am very average

[hollow lagoon]

[umbral crown]

I could handly all but the 4m guy

My teams are 1 to 1.1m cp

[clear depot]

The 4M guy he uses mainly shotguns on all his teams, so maybe you could cook something against him as well

[umbral crown]

[clear depot]

Could anyone remind me the way to calculate deficit? x 0.846?

[glad meteor]

I remember your discord name. Is skuan not inyour bracket anymore

[clear depot]

Wait, you are Skuan?

[glad meteor]

Nah

Kara

[clear depot]

ahh

I remember you lol

My discord name is my 2nd account (F2P, no skins, anything) xD

[glad meteor]

2 acc

[umbral crown]

First 2 pay

[keen vapor]

Why so fancy just Enemy - 15.4%

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Is .41 iirc

[spark granite]

Hii what would be the best way to beat this team with my current level?

[tropic summit]

oldschool scarlet

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit vestiTU helmT jackal

any non feeding DPS B3 behind noah+biscuit archetype will shred that

[keen vapor]

Always Vesti never investi

[keen vapor]

With enough speed

[glad meteor]

So many max cores

[keen vapor]

Imagine having a single max core...

[tropic summit]

synchro 716 and that team are as old as nikke

[glad meteor]

Tomorrow is my 2 year anniversary of playing game

And i have no max core

[tropic summit]

at least drake or alice no?

[glad meteor]

No

[keen vapor]

Same

[tropic summit]

how

[glad meteor]

[keen vapor]

Same

[tropic summit]

mega brickeroni both of you

[glad meteor]

I’m humble peasant. Only pull on advanced banner.

Blue vouchers are scam

[tropic summit]

indeed, rebel against the system

silly scam game

[keen vapor]

My Novel is same core level as Drake, I'm still waiting for Novel treasure@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

did novel do anything remotively useful in the past year of nikke?

[keen vapor]

She did in first year

Was used on coop ranking iirc

Her damage taken debuff is greater than Blanc, but was so hard to keep up

And slow to build up

[clear depot]

This is my bracket with Skuan, i think he just got bored from the constant fight and he decided to chill back on #8 place xd

[umbral crown]

Do not you?

[keen vapor]

No

[glad meteor]

He plays cn nikke more

[tropic summit]

oh? so if they were to treasure her and fix that... she could be usable

[keen vapor]

I know it won't happen

Just like they crushed my dream for Guillotine treasure with mid alt

[glad meteor]

Chris and sky being same cp is interesting

[umbral crown]

5.7 KR

[clear depot]

i am not used to use percentage and i mostly go for the multiplication, thanks xD

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor but 0 C7?

[glad meteor]

[keen vapor]

I'm so used to percentage bc I have no brain

[glad meteor]

The whale is here to show

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Whale

[clear depot]

Ahhh that makes sense now why his sudden sp "inactivity", does he still connect and do UR and SR and things like that?

[umbral crown]

Not me

[glad meteor]

He does ur, dk about sr

[keen vapor]

Emi

[umbral crown]

Everyone does for the kits

[clear depot]

I used to beat Sky till 3 weeks ago, till he decided to do a speedrun from 520ish to 541 for a CP power up, now sadly i cant bully him with my F2P acc anymore

[glad meteor]

Sky showed me mercy for some reason in the other bracket

[umbral crown]

Just bully him

[versed mesa]

What is everyones favorite PvP unit?

[clear depot]

I think he was just chilling in the old bracket, it was a tough one for me in those days, i got pushed out from challenger even

Today i chill in the #4 and no one trying on me anymore after few times i won defence on them

[glad meteor]

Yeah, that ads guy was doing some hefty hits

[versed mesa]

In my grouping the top 4 is pretty rock solid, one whale, us other 3 light spenders only.

It's practically just us fighting for top 3, everyone else is just, there

[glad meteor]

Noise

[keen vapor]

Helm?

[versed mesa]

Just wondering in general, like if there is one you particularly like to build a team around or to fill a flex spot with

[clear depot]

For PvP I think I would say Noise. After her, Noah xD

[glad meteor]

Vesti blanc rumani centi jackal?

vesti may need ammo lines

[spark granite]

It almost worked, scarlet lived long enough to kill everyone. Is it because of the leveling? My vesti is lbm and not core max.

[keen vapor]

Helm or jackal

[versed mesa]

I still don't have Vesti, only non-limited character in the current pool I have yet to get a single copy of

[keen vapor]

Always happens to me, that's why I always do Healer comps against scarlets

Happens bc Scarlet has a counter attack in skill 2

[wind kelp]

This person really has it out for me, every day, 5-6 times. Then goes to SPA and hits there too :p

Mind you, they're not even at the top, they just refresh and hunt me down.

(Then again, i'd be angy too if i was losing by 1200 points every round in SPA )

[spark granite]

What’s your main dps with that healer comp?

I don’t have any more turns but I’ll try during reset

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

did u farm him before?

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/helm-nikke-helm-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-gov-nikke-gif-8334186728823707982

[spiral onyx]

Nice, thank you

[ivory mango]

@tropic summit sir I need new def teams

onegai help me

[quartz vortex]

how big of a differnce is 2.5 and 3 rl? cuz if i go down to 3 i can up my cp by 20k

[wind kelp]

I fight fair, i only hit back 😄

[hollow lagoon]

there was a guy who farmed me for 2-3months straight

guess what happened when i synced enough and then broke his comp

oh boi

i dont update my defense so he dont know what i used to break his

but every day i see him go first i pull him down

i dont care about my position infact the lower the better it means i can pull him more

he gems to get back to 1st?

i gem to pull him down

he update comp? its ok i test and the moment i break it again ill gem to pull him down more

[glad meteor]

Oi. Don’t copy me

[late tiger]

Need more variety in PVP

[swift mango]

[late tiger]

Any unique attributes that can be rolled outside OL lines

Reflect dmg 20% against fire units

Heal 15% against wind dmg

Life drain 10% on normal attacks

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

on crown death, enemy team explodes

[late tiger]

Or that, a bit overkill though

Kamikaze bomber on death dealing 100k dmg

[hollow lagoon]

[keen vapor]

Helm, Vesti or Laplace off burst

Can be bursting with Ada in the team ig

[gritty ridge]

For the most part 2.5rl b2 can burst before 2rl b3, because most 2.5rl arent actually just 2.5

Scar is a notable exception

[quartz vortex]

was thinking of swapping from first to second pic

[hollow lagoon]

Lib nuke

Second one seems more solid of a comp but check speed

[quartz vortex]

first one is 2.5 second is 3

[hollow lagoon]

At your sync 3 is prob ok

[quartz vortex]

at what sync do i need faster?

[hollow lagoon]

Depends on your opponent

[loud urchin]

Hey 👋 Can I ask advise on team composition in this channel?

[severe tundra]

The current rank 4 in my SPA bracket with a 30 level synchro gap.

I don't know how to beat them. What I'm working with:

[loud urchin]

Any ideas what's effective against this comp?

[glad meteor]

How’s this

Helm s1 10?

[glad meteor]

Vesti blanc redhood centi jackal

Vesti lower hp than redhood

[severe tundra]

helm is 10/10/10

[glad meteor]

Team should be 2rl.

siren out of p1/2 range, so noah wont get stunned

Helm vs scar

Lib vs nero moran

[glad meteor]

looks safe

[loud urchin]

Nope
I tried. Did you mean new vesti tk?

[glad meteor]

Yeah

Fire vesti

[glad meteor]

vesti team lost?

[loud urchin]

Yeah

[glad meteor]

You used fire vesti?

[loud urchin]

Water one, I don't have the new one

[glad meteor]

water vesti is really bad, only fire one is good

[severe tundra]

Helm and Nero outlasted Biscuit and RH on 3

[glad meteor]

Didnt lib nuke them all

[severe tundra]

she did not.

[glad meteor]

[severe tundra]

she did burst tho.

and her burst is 10

[glad meteor]

If lib couldnt nuke then could slow cindy

[loud urchin]

Any suggestions for me?

[glad meteor]

Depends what dps you have invested, scalter blanc redhood centi jackal also works.

But need to check jackal link

And scalter need lower hp than rh

Could use vigor cube on rh

[worthy knoll]

Did you record it? I'm curious how Mana revive functioned in case of a nuke

[glad meteor]

I’m afraid cindy might fail to kill moran with sync diff tbh

Technically this wins too

[lone sequoia]

naa, sp stat diff depends in the team composition, stall or noise b1, the range for stat diff is like around+80 lvls, more important is the cp range before that

[loud urchin]

Didn't work. Noah absorbed everything
Not fast enough🤕

[glad meteor]

Do you have vid

[worthy knoll]

I'm curious how Helm survived given its a Lib nuke with RH buff and Blanc debuff too

[glad meteor]

That’s the team I used to use, did team die before blanc could indom

[lone sequoia]

that sound really slow

[severe tundra]

No sorry... no obs.

[worthy knoll]

Hmm slow? Wdym?

[severe tundra]

I have Rumani but she's really not built at all.

[tropic summit]

if you're on deficit that changes things, multiply enemy CP for 0.846 and check your team is above that number

[glad meteor]

I see

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[lone sequoia]

lib-rh-blanc, what are the other 2 units?

[worthy knoll]

Look up

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit took a while but i managed.
there were a few hiccups in my head

[ivory mango]

breached

[glad meteor]

Can you check if rapunzel is jackal linked.

[marble saddle]

i guess i underestimated my RRH. i thought she would die before my b3

[lone sequoia]

nayuta against blanc?

[marble saddle]

my t3? it was a skip team so i just made whatever

[tropic summit]

try this next

[glad meteor]

Scalter is scarlet alter

Scarlet black shadow

[lone sequoia]

yep, slow team...i don't know how the lib team didn't win if she have all that dmg (i still don't test lib) and the cp range is also good for the lib team, probably bad OL and low S1 lvls(?)

[severe tundra]

Her and Lib are

[glad meteor]

That looks safe against t1 then, the question is if cindy can full nuke on t3

Usually it’s easy win for slow cindy vs nero moran

[tropic summit]

T1 was correct
T2 was kinda weird, you didn't need to risk so much because siren wasn't there, coulda just gone 2RL indom scarlet
T3 i guess throwaway

overall 6/10

[lone sequoia]

you can get extra points if you test with your last team

[marble saddle]

after what happened to scar p1 i was too paranoid for t2

i literally read your msg like 4 times and in the end my paranoia won

[tropic summit]

better safe than sorry i guess

[loud urchin]

That worked! Thank you very much

[worthy knoll]

The idea was fine, it doesn't need to be quick all the time.. sacc Scar to HelmT, just weird that the nuke failed to kill the others. That was why I'm curious if Mana had a hand or not on HelmT survival. Its even Blanc B2 which is Nero's bane, feels weird they still survive Lib nuke, so I wanted a vid to know what went wrong

[marble saddle]

thing is after reviewing the vid i dont think it was as safe as i imagined.
my expectation was. RRH dies before my b3 comes up so scar wipe 3/5 of enemy team
what happened was my RRH was Over invested
i cannot tell you how fast my heart beat went when i saw RRH alive by my b3

[tropic summit]

ye tha's why it was kinda weird

[severe tundra]

Railtracer, want to weigh in on this match up?

[tropic summit]

what is the 3rd team

[severe tundra]

throwaway

[tropic summit]

i mean the enemy

[glad meteor]

On def. Noise noah cindy bisc rumani

[severe tundra]

my bad

[tropic summit]

ok, do you've your box too?

so i know what you can make

[tropic summit]

let's see

[glad meteor]

I’ve Only seen vesti and nero moran consistent against that cindy team, at sync diff that team is tanky

[tropic summit]

last info, is enemy T3 3RL or 2.5RL

or if you've a video i can check myself

[worthy knoll]

If not CP gap, you put a sync 1 in P2 and mess up their gen

[severe tundra]

Not sure, no video sorry

[tropic summit]

post these to check CP then you probably good to go

• jackal sbs lib blanc centi
• skip
• moran noah helmt trina rh

for T1

jackal quantum
sbs temperance
lib vigor
blanc temperance
centi quantum

for T2

moran temperance
noah temperance
helmt resil/adjutant/vigor
trina any
RH any

[worthy knoll]

T3 is Nero team iirc 🤔

[tropic summit]

i'm thinking of dropping that helmt team to 3RL though, 2RL if they happen to be 3RL is gonna get las0red

let's see CP first anyway

[severe tundra]

I... need more temperance space. one minute...

[tropic summit]

it's fine the ones that need temperance the most are blanc and moran

[tropic summit]

ok so you're in range with both, now a little final check

SBS hp is lower than lib correct?

[severe tundra]

yeah sbs HP lower than lib's

[worthy knoll]

Nero

[tropic summit]

ok then last change (make sure nero moran go agaisnt their cindy team)

sub trina for siren, we'll assume enemy cindy team is 3RL

[severe tundra]

oh whoops

[tropic summit]

ye looks good, sub trina for siren

afterward give it a shot

[worthy knoll]

Are you planning Helm to snipe Noah?

[tropic summit]

just outstall them with better DPS

although i hope they don't get 2.5RL or 2RL via noah taunting noise and noah to shoot p2

[worthy knoll]

Oh I thought you want to stun Noise so that Noah is taunt prio when she is taunting helm when she hits P2 Noah

[tropic summit]

i'd have gone with noah biscuit vestiTU helmt flex or noah biscuit rrh helmt rumani but he lacks rumani and vesti

[tropic summit]

eh that's also interesting

siren is there to prevent noise b1 buffing cindy and also reducing their stalling tbh

[severe tundra]

I have a 0☆ Rumani and a 3☆ Noise. Which should I invest in first

[worthy knoll]

Though this makes the enemy team a bit quicker coz Noah hits 3, about 1.5x quicker for Noah I guess

Well its Cindy anyway

[tropic summit]

rumani to 4/4/4 R15 is enough, 2OL
noise you'd want her fully ol'ed and SR5, skill levels as recommended on prydwen

@severe tundra for your noah archetype

noah biscuit rrh helmt rumani would be a tad safer, but you can run the team i gave you, should be fine either way
this team is only safe tho if opponent is 2.5RL, else you're 2RL against 3RL cindy and we back to square getting nuked past the shield

[eager brook]

When getting charge speed rolls on gear, what are the breakpoints to aim for?

[tropic summit]

vestiTU and helm 8%CS
emilia 8% or 25%
all other batteries 15%

[eager brook]

Thanks

[tropic summit]

which variation was this, the 3RL right?

[severe tundra]

the last set up you suggested.

[tropic summit]

oh wow so you went 2RL, i guess they were 2.5RL afterall uh

either way gud job

[severe tundra]

Went with this one

[tropic summit]

oh oki perfect, 3RL vs 3RL or 2.5RL then, good to know

[severe tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/im-awake-gif-5727273

[worthy knoll]

Who did HelmT sniped? Noise or Noah?

[severe tundra]

I dunno, did they take out the replay function?

[tropic summit]

he went the 3RL option, so helmT probably sniped immune target

[glad meteor]

You need to turn on quick battle for the option to show up

[severe tundra]

ohhhh

[worthy knoll]

So you didn't watch

[placid bloom]

[severe tundra]

I don't know what to watch for

[placid bloom]

then keep watching until you know young jedi

[glad meteor]

I’m still mad lib team didn’t win. Mana op wdf

[tropic summit]

there's a lot to learn by watching your matches tho, consider watching them or recording them

[tropic summit]

what was the team? double buff lib?

[glad meteor]

Yeah

[worthy knoll]

Mmh, I don't think Noah will be immune against those team. But regardless I just wanted to know if Siren stun time was enough for Noise to be not taunt prio in terms of Helm snipe

[worthy knoll]

RH Blanc Lib

[tropic summit]

oh now that's crazy, pretty sure lib on blanc + RH buff should be lethal on anything living

[placid bloom]

into Nero Moran?

[worthy knoll]

Yeah

[placid bloom]

feel like that is coinflip

[severe tundra]

now the hard part of not getting bodied by that same guy.

[worthy knoll]

I dunno, XAnne Lib was enough for me to wipe everyone except Nero and Moran

[tropic summit]

would it change things tho? assuming both teams are 3RL

• noise is stunned on 2RL B2 time frame
• enemy casts 3RL B1 rumani into noah into cindy

enemy B2 is faster than ally B3 helmT, noah if shot by helmT is already behind shield

no?

[severe tundra]

My next 3 rows of characters have no OL, are you suggesting 2OL on Rumani?

[tropic summit]

noise, rumani, rosanna would be your priority, i'd still treasure laplaceT first though

start with rumani 4/4/4 R15, noise into SR5 then lappy and rosanna

[severe tundra]

need another Laplace dupe

[placid bloom]

if you are gonna PvP seriously you will need to dedicate a few months worth of gear exp to getting all of them OL

no way around it

[severe tundra]

I'm trying. I just got Lib to 4OL

[placid bloom]

you cannot keep up with naked units forever

[glad meteor]

Diesel meta soon. Stay ready

[worthy knoll]

Mmh that didn't matter to me, what I wanted to know if the helm snipe was on Noise or on Noah.. coz even if Noah bursted, debuff taunt should be priority over attract taunt, and Rumani debuff taunt is still after full burst

What I wanted to know if Siren stunning Noise is enough to change the taunt prio 🤔

[tropic summit]

it needs around 2s iirc

that'd be around 1RL timeframe

[worthy knoll]

Yeah, but its not a 2 RL team right?

[tropic summit]

nope enemy is likely 3RL else we might've add issues

cindy 2.5RL against noah 3RL can kill 2 units

[worthy knoll]

I mean his team too

[tropic summit]

yeah both were 3RL i think

[worthy knoll]

Siren stun somewhere 5 SG time

[tropic summit]

if anything his team for sure, he doesn't have CS% invest

[tropic summit]

ye 2RL B2 timeframe

[worthy knoll]

Was that time to 3 RL B3 enough to change the taunt prio or not

That was what I want to know

[severe tundra]

I have a little CS% invest... how much to matter?

[tropic summit]

hmm if they were stunned at 2RL B2... taunt would expire around 3RL B2, so likely not

[tropic summit]

8%CS on helmT, the others would need 15%CS

[worthy knoll]

Or even, if Noah full charge already enough when Noise stopped is already enough to override it

[tropic summit]

oh ok that i wouldn't know

[severe tundra]

My numbers DID not matter

I added it up, my Helm does have 13.89 on OL

[tropic summit]

hmmm

which leaves the question then... were you 2.5RL vs 2.5RL or 2.5RL vs 3RL, if enemy was 3RL, you're on B3 while enemy is on B1, and if your noah taunted their noah, your helmT would be taunted to shoot their noah

@worthy knoll we'll never know

[worthy knoll]

15? Not 18?

[tropic summit]

helm with 8% is enough to hit threshold

(for 2.5RL)

[worthy knoll]

Nah, I mean the other RL ones

[tropic summit]

ye it was tested 15% is enough

[worthy knoll]

Coz iirc to match Emi8 it should be 18 🤔

[tropic summit]

the frames needed with 15% are enough

emi is appearently either 8%CS or 25%CS

[worthy knoll]

Yeah for other RLs to match Emi 8% CS

It needs 18 iirc, not 15

[tropic summit]

@swift mango @placid bloom was it 15% or 18% for clip RLs?

[worthy knoll]

This is 18%, Trina is slightly quicker than Emi 8, if it becomes 15% it is slower now than Emi 8

[tropic summit]

so 18% is the clip RL threshold to hit 2.5RL while 15% wouldn't be sufficient?

[worthy knoll]

Mmh not sure what exactly 2.5 you want though, but if we use Emi 8 as the basis for it, then 18% is needed if you want to match Emi 8 speed

If your 2.5 though means 5 SG time 3rd shot gen gain, then 18% is not enough, no amount of CS is enough for any RLs. Only Emi with max S1 and 25% CS could do it on the RL side

[tropic summit]

looks like it's 254F vs 248F, is that enough to make it different from 2.5RL with each other?

[worthy knoll]

Depends, but I remember we keep saying 17% before but it was actually 18%. Not sure what metric do you mean now if you say 2.5, in my case my metric is matching Emi 8%, should be same or quicker not slower. Not sure how the metric now for general people

[tropic summit]

yeah then i think 15% is enough for the generic RLs

we're probably talking about 2.3RL and 2.5RL based on the frames i'm seeing

18% is 48 frames with 12 reduced
15% is 50 frames with 10 reduced

both hit 2.5RL, one is faster than 2.5RL but not fast enough for 2RL

[glacial haven]

Hello people....

Ready for more?

[glad meteor]

The special cook

[glacial haven]

He attacked me earlier so, i can give another go

[glacial haven]

But with this time, i can use your science

So it goes like this.

[glad meteor]

Ah yes

Vesti linked and lowest hp?

[glacial haven]

Before i give it a go, i remembered. I used to run this T2 before. Honestly, it was a coin toss. It's not certain it would work. (This is my T1 and T2 before)

[glad meteor]

Maybe scar s2/rosa crit rng on t1

But t2, as long as you have ammo, ada plus helm buff should guarantee win i think

I’d put quantum on jackal maybe

[glacial haven]

Now that i'm thinking... I think jackal wasn't linking before because of Lib? But either way, it should because Besti and Lib has the highest attack.

[glacial haven]

Already has.

Welp, here goes nothing...

[glad meteor]

Jackal and lib have same dmg taken there. So i think vesti and lib were linked

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mustang-nikke-nikkemustang-mustangdance-entertainment-gif-16613130428471801958

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-jam-stonks-stonk-jam-head-shot-hans-gif-21157324

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/koshi-torako-shikanoko-my-deer-friend-nokotan-dancing-girl-dance-gif-11199697744157962721

[glacial haven]

Some spicy food you guys cook.

[worthy knoll]

Mmh I see now, it depends.. but I still stand with my 18%. Coz I want to use Emi 8 as metric. But I guess that is fine if your opponent are 2 RL without any CS.. but if your opponent is 2 RL and is 18% CS while your RL (non Emi) is 2.5 as 100% kicker at 15% CS, you will be hit by B3 before you can B1.. while a kicker of Emi 8 will B1 same time as they B3. But yeah it doesn't matter as long as your opponent is not a pvp focus one

[tropic summit]

eh i see, that also assumes it's an emi matchup anyway, 1/5 in CA and 1/3 in SP, assuming they're even on an emi bracket

good to know though

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/salmon-gordon-ramsey-meme-punch-splat-gif-19430045

[spiral onyx]

I'll take it

[tropic summit]

[glacial haven]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-smile-enjeru-gif-26119496

Just because this double defense guy keep attacking me everyday. Finally he lost his attacks. All thanks to you guys. I truly appreciate.

[cedar sorrel]

Centi is good in pvp right?

[hollow lagoon]

also good in many other things

[cedar sorrel]

Making entire buildings

Rookie

• nayuta vestiTU lib trina RH

SP arena

• nayuta naga lib anis rh
• tove trina vestiTU anchorIM liter
• drake pmaid marciana sora bsoda

^ these are the teams Railtracer made for me. Where could I add Centi and over who?

[umbral crown]

Maybe?

[umbral crown]

Zant is blue

[tropic summit]

replace marciana with centi, turns that team 3RL from 3.5RL

[cedar sorrel]

Noice done

Thanks boss 💪

[tropic summit]

ye she is, clip RL burst gen tier, one of the few

[cedar sorrel]

Just a burst gen unit like anis?

[tropic summit]

ye she's a battery, has usage as p1 defender situationally to combo with biscuit but it's very niche

her main role is providing you with burst gen

[cedar sorrel]

I see so not needed to upgrade her skills then?

[tropic summit]

4/4/4 R15 or SR5, 4OL, is a good stopping point

[cedar sorrel]

Sounds good thanks 🔥

[hollow lagoon]

[umbral belfry]

[neon cedar]

any gamers wanna help me with new special arena teams :3

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

post your box here sure

[neon cedar]

box?

[tropic summit]

your unit roster

[neon cedar]

is there a better way to fit it all in one screenshot lol

[tropic summit]

this format is fine
#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

ye looks good, let's see

[neon cedar]

this is my current, seems kinda outdated lol havent changed it in like a year

[vapid lake]

Does rail ever sleep?

https://tenor.com/view/doro-thinking-gif-13015072109773951737

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren scarlet blanc lib
• nayuta centi helmt RH drakeT
• noise noah cindy biscuit pepper

(quantums as for provided SS)

Notes

• build emilia, vestiTU, rumani
• wishlist trina

Get teams reviewed when the 3 units above are ready, can improve some of the teams
Trina can improve scarlet team or boost a team RL threshold

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/onimai-anime-sleep-mihari-oyama-gif-27609322

[neon cedar]

i have trina

somewhat built 5/5/5 😅

[tropic summit]

if she doesn't tank CP sub blanc for trina

[neon cedar]

i could build her tbf

7/7/7 ok?

[tropic summit]

4/4/10 or 4/7/10 is enough for using her with scarlet

4/4/7 will do budget wise to be still somewat ok, the average opponent won't gamble if she's lethal or not

[neon cedar]

i did 5/7/10

[tropic summit]

oh that works

[neon cedar]

cause i already had 5 lol

[tropic summit]

as your next step i highly suggest building vestiTU next

as she can triviliaze most teams, even on deficit

[neon cedar]

well i got her from 203k to 332k XD

yea... my vesti is untouched haha

[tropic summit]

once your vestiTU is built, you can sub cindy for this faster and higher threat team

[neon cedar]

cool cool ill work on that next

[tropic summit]

and once and if they beat your def, vestiTU can be indommed instead, let them mess with your current setup and keep it as backup plan

[neon cedar]

should i invest in my quantum cube more? its 9 rn i can get it to 15 tbh

[tropic summit]

quantum 7 is enough

rather get your temperance to 7 if it isn't yet

[neon cedar]

my temperance is 5

didnt know that even existed

[tropic summit]

it's one of the most important cubes in pvp

as it gives you damage reduction, a very important stat, especially for tanks

[neon cedar]

oki i just got it to 6 gotta wait for shop to reset 😅

lets see how long that lasts thanks for the help:)

[tropic summit]

you welcome

teams are decent, but a skilled player should always break through, assuming they're on same invest

if they don't, it's because they're doing a mistake

[neon cedar]

figured my old teams were cooked, people with 500k bullying me 🥲

champions a whole nother ball game, i dont even bother with that

[azure star]

Are there any solid Moran comps I can run if

Noah,centi, vestiTU, helmt, Noise
Scarlet, Trina, Siren, LapT, Jackel

Are already tied up on other teams. I have Nero but has no investment

I’m also looking for a shotgun team to slip into occasionally as , in my group throwing shotguns in occasionally will waste daily free attempts

[tropic summit]

depends what you've, moran works well with helmT that can help with the little burst gen she provides... she needs to be combined although with an anti nuke, else only moran will remain alive, which means you need noah or bay

@azure star

[azure star]

I do have bay, it’s just I’m on mobile so posting nikkes available is unfriendly to say the least,

Taking out helmt from Noah’s team is possible but it still captures a siren stun as it is on Noah, I dunno if I can replace helmt in that comp

[tropic summit]

ok when you got the time post your box so we've the full picture

as for the occasional SG team, go with either nayuta var or blanc var

Blanc var

• bsoda drakeT blanc ros noir

Nayuta var

• bsoda nayuta drakeT ros noir

[azure star]

I can make all these teams,

[gritty ridge]

Hi rail

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gushing-over-magical-girls-maho-shoujo-magical-girl-surprised-disturbed-gif-13120696653143240502

[gritty ridge]

Rumani is gonna be my next sr15

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-anime-anime-clap-clap-anime-gif-27407498

[gritty ridge]

Then its bay

[azure star]

Bay in her bunny battlesuit

[tropic summit]

almost like a true pvp main

[gritty ridge]

Hey man, I have most of the pvp invests done now for base ol/skills

[gritty ridge]

I have bunny bay

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-moist-i-know-what-kind-of-mand-you-are-gif-4332896312672829230

[azure star]

My vesti is stuck on 10% CS cause I can’t roll it to save myself

And then I overshot max ammo

[gritty ridge]

?

Whats ur overloads look like

[azure star]

I have 18 rockets I was aiming for 16

XD