pvp-arena

[crystal flicker]

It's obvious, you ain't beating my 1.6RL

[onyx scaffold]

this ACE guy is gonna win CA with my teams. whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[jagged mesa]

Two more to go

[onyx scaffold]

it should have been me, not him

[nimble swan]

What happened to your scarlet???

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel feels like I lose next one

[umbral belfry]

that makes you a winner by default

[hollow lagoon]

Out sped slightly

Prob rng with the feed

[nimble swan]

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-cow-gif-19489323

[shell hazel]

oh damn that was your 1.6RL lol!

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel slow Cindy dies to indom vesti no?

[shell hazel]

mine is nowhere near it not enough CS

[shell hazel]

yes vesti in general is not a good match for slow cindy

[hollow lagoon]

Welp dies at top 4

[nimble swan]

Depends on the vesti but indom vesti is a bit worse so might happen to die rarely

[shell hazel]

I need to roll CS at some point I will do but other prio still

[hollow lagoon]

[nimble swan]

No i mean indom vesti is worse against it, but other one should almost always win

But indom should still win if invested enough

I’m not too sharp today lol

[hollow lagoon]

I thought for sure I was defending

I’m I derped?

I thought for sure I was on right

[shell hazel]

I always dislike fighting moran guy as well btw so even if I win next I'm likely going to die to moran in the final 🙁

ah well, is what it is, I won't check my next matches either just rng it

[nimble swan]

Don’t tell me it will be moran vs you finals again?

[shell hazel]

it looks like it's very possible

I need to beat slipknot guy first

[nimble swan]

:doro:

[coarse solstice]

Wasn't as bad as I thought, not unexpected though. 2RL 2B beating Poli/Rosa SG was definitely a highlight

[shell hazel]

but moran guy just won 5-0 on def and is on def again lol

[umbral belfry]

for this, your rocks will be spared

[tulip quest]

Just think of that team are your babies and you will be happy

[jagged mesa]

I was looking at that matchup and thinking to myself "I'm not good enough to judge a 2b comp"

[onyx scaffold]

My daughter leaving the home for a random guy. Im so mad

[hollow lagoon]

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-daddy-care-protect-help-gif-4685099714314961614

XD

[coarse solstice]

Lol, 2B gets debuffed by Rosa, biscuit counters SG, Laplace out damages SGs

It's a weird one for sure.

[umbral belfry]

lap best girl

[onyx scaffold]

I will take her back by winning next CA

[umbral belfry]

[onyx scaffold]

(I cannot cuz 15 rocks no ele on Vesti)

I need enough ele to kill Noah

U got c blocked by Noah twice

[nimble swan]

He’s just spurting out these 5-0s like it was nothing.
Btw don’t tell me he still runs that cook that netted him 3x CA wins

[onyx scaffold]

She shields up at 15% HP

[tulip quest]

We need some kinda judge like King Solomon to tell who real mother is

[shell hazel]

haha very possible. I may look at their teams after CA ends though as I don't want to know what they're running before I potentially fight them

so after final I can post what they ran

the elephant of surprise is what I want

[tulip quest]

Isn't it RNG anyways?

[shell hazel]

sure but I like not having any pre-conceptions

[tulip quest]

what's the odds you meet them

[shell hazel]

pretty reasonable

[tulip quest]

Alright

[shell hazel]

top 4 next

if I win then very high chance I face them in finals

I don't want preconceptions of I win or lose based on teams before I fight I'm enjoying the experience more without the idea that I should win or lose before I even see the results

[tulip quest]

C.A can actually make 4x 2RL right now

potentially 5 depending on some characters thats gonna be release

[nimble swan]

What a man of discipline. Hippo bushido

[shell hazel]

indeed

[onyx scaffold]

Tbf the teams are not from me but I adjust it to the point you can copy without rolling charge speed

[shell hazel]

@crystal flicker ended my slow cindy 12 win streak 🙁

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1428469251504865341/11b4852fb9389b50a6e85045c335e5dde7116e7d.gif

[shell hazel]

not beautiful!

[tulip quest]

WHATS eMMA PROPAGANDA?

Like Jackal Emma?

[nimble swan]

Whats yellow?

[hollow lagoon]

vesti comp kills

[umbral belfry]

[nimble swan]

Makes sense

[tulip quest]

Shudn't we just name it Rossana sacrifice or somethin?

[hollow lagoon]

u can sac anything to rosana

but emma in sg is more unique

[nimble swan]

It’s Zan we are talking about, for him it would be too straightforward

[tulip quest]

Interesting can I ask why?

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/emma-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-emmatacticalupgrade-gif-10728105447423497311

[gaunt pulsar]

taunt i imagine, even if you attack and attack sg she gonna get shot first

[tulip quest]

yea same

or he just loves seeing hot girls sacrifice or somethin XD

[dense kindle]

[crystal flicker]

And you're the one who cook my stall this season

[dense kindle]

Not like this

[tulip quest]

As soon as the battle starts, Emma will also attract all enemies permanently until she dies. As any Tia user can abide by, this is incredibly painful to deal with, and unlike Tia, there is no way to stop or control this effect on her own. This is bad in PvE, but it might have its uses in PvP with Rosanna. nikke.gg

[hollow lagoon]

@nimble swan updated

killed more vesti comps than i thought this season

[umbral belfry]

I have failed

radeki said 4-1 wasn't enough last time I need that 5-0

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-vs-vision-thanos-vision-stone-gauntlet-gif-17162364

[dense kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-gif-19335672

Oh yea forgot to ask how come no nayuta in teams? @umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

she's 4 atk

do you know what would happen if I put her with my baby sgs jsasor

[hollow lagoon]

u can, u just need to put her whole squad

[dense kindle]

No

[umbral belfry]

would strip her down (dispel)

and as my baby sgs are currently, that would be a brick for me

[dense kindle]

You lost me at strip

[umbral belfry]

I gotta feed my sgs some atk veggies first before I can use nayu

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

@tulip quest

use tu eunhwa for no taunt

[dense kindle]

Oh I just see everyone else do it so I copy

[tulip quest]

Yea I know the FULL Tactical team Vesti right?

[nimble swan]

Yeah, pretty nice. That’s why I have a secret vesti cook.

[tulip quest]

Kill before B1

[hollow lagoon]

no vesti required

[umbral belfry]

what you need to do is copy my win vs the last cc

[dense kindle]

I went to 401 still not enough

[umbral belfry]

I forgot what level for me

[dense kindle]

I need to be around 830k for lowest clear

[tulip quest]

alright

[nimble swan]

Unbuffed vesti bay if low core,lb /or low ATK OLs dies to many stalls.
That’s why I’m pouring so much investments in it, and have some new cooks that provide buffa

But even indom version can die to a good stall if not invested enough

[hollow lagoon]

idk many stalls

i dont see many stalls living it

i only see my stall live it

[nimble swan]

Moran,noah,helm,rapunzel,lap+

for example

[hollow lagoon]

that's gonna be a fun one

my stall is fighting that next

[nimble swan]

Really? I need to see

[hollow lagoon]

oh no its ada version

[tulip quest]

you made 2 accounts for testing purposes?

[hollow lagoon]

nope

[nimble swan]

Ada and noise

[hollow lagoon]

mmm

its prob dead

[nimble swan]

Yeah u should win

[tulip quest]

cope?

[nimble swan]

Mid team

[lone sequoia]

gz

[hollow lagoon]

unless the ada can yeet my helm

[lone sequoia]

do you know enemy vesti ammo? looks like he doesn't have the dmg

[hollow lagoon]

i'mma spread salad team propaganda now

[tulip quest]

who knows Noise may have 120% Ele 49% ATK XD

[lone sequoia]

or just your units were stronger than the random videos i have seen of that match up

[nimble swan]

U should trademark it

[noble hatch]

o7 see ya all
https://youtu.be/8RRFWPkuPto

[shell hazel]

it's a fair trade 😄

[tulip quest]

CAN I ask what is salad team btw?

[hollow lagoon]

#pvp-arena message

[nimble swan]

Fair question 😂

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

14 bullet vesti but died before it gets to fire them all anyway

[nimble swan]

I foresee spicy finals between you and nayuta guy

[hollow lagoon]

only if i win

next one

[nimble swan]

U should imo

[hollow lagoon]

bad matchup for 1, 3, 4

salad is the gift that keeps giving

[lone sequoia]

it was team diff, enemy bay tank the minimum 5 sec after that was just helm b3, vesti 3 hits didn't kill wind p2, interesting fight

[tulip quest]

The answer I'm salivating from gimme?

[hollow lagoon]

that wind p2 havent died to 3 vesti, its not gonna die after i level up the gear and skills next round

[lone sequoia]

lib also tank a combo in p5 (vesti burst)

[hollow lagoon]

vesti burst on noah immune wouldent matter

[lone sequoia]

after noah burst end

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/violence-is-always-the-answer-gif-8672550270316158501

[hollow lagoon]

vestis dont last long enough, and even if they do they cant kill helm

[tulip quest]

C.A Rewards sucks but watching different teams kill each other is fun

[hollow lagoon]

u saw an indom version, they have all the time in the universe to kill helm

they cant do it

[lone sequoia]

i think it was an average vesti also your cs range was good to tank with helm

[hollow lagoon]

average vesti or not its a 2 ele helm

on a level 8 ada buff

more damage helm do harder for vesti to kill

[versed mesa]

Me while reading all this strat talk. "Ah yes, I understand some of these words"

[nimble swan]

@hollow lagoon you are 2 - 2 until round 5

But u will win last round

[hollow lagoon]

my scar and sg looks dead ye

[nimble swan]

Nope your scar wins

Soda will kill herself

[hollow lagoon]

assuming that happens

[tulip quest]

I never understood the salad team XD still wondering what it is

[hollow lagoon]

my scar is not very strong

oh 76k soda

yeahhhh./......

[tulip quest]

Pray you crit

problem solved

[hollow lagoon]

soda p2 is a bit yikes

[nimble swan]

Btw i still don’t understand anchor in vesti indom

[hollow lagoon]

i dont either

but i'm trade marking the salad

[tulip quest]

Nani?

[nimble swan]

It needs high investment

[nimble swan]

Guys either stupid or a genious

[tulip quest]

Anchor gives Reload speed +30% atk of caster

[tulip quest]

part of the plan I guess?

[nimble swan]

But she’s off burst

Doesn’t give anything on first cycle but heals

[hollow lagoon]

that soda might not have

like.... gear

[nimble swan]

Yes

I killed sr15 soda with gear

So… this should die imo

[hollow lagoon]

this my anis, so basically orange gear

[tulip quest]

XD Im confused about anchor in that team

[hollow lagoon]

anchor heal requires another squadmember

[tulip quest]

Yea same my Anis SR5 Also

[nimble swan]

There’s helm lol

[hollow lagoon]

right

i was gonna ask

helm is truly the gem of the pvp

[tulip quest]

Yes

[hollow lagoon]

the salad team cements it

[tulip quest]

broken treasure

Nikke needs to make another broken treasure pvp character

except I don't have mats n dolls anymore

[nimble swan]

Treasure Privaty, trust

[tulip quest]

Nayuta and Lib ate them

[tulip quest]

uhhhh -80%ammo this time?

I wanna see last bullet comps hahhaha

[nimble swan]

5s stun on burst

[tulip quest]

Broken that's like Forever

[hollow lagoon]

nah

make privity also reduce other team ammo by 50% but make their reload 50% longer instead

[tulip quest]

ahahaahha toxic

cause I mean some characters REALLY NEED TREASURE They on display in Like Forever since Release

Look at CROW Forever alone in Prison

Not that I want her out XD

[nimble swan]

I don’t think she’s too popular lol

[versed mesa]

Even if they gave her a treasure that makes her immortal and able to one shot every boss and Tribe tower in the game, I would not play her

[nimble swan]

Yeah that’s what i suggested

[tulip quest]

I hate her also

but seriously some characters just gathering dust Treasure solves it bay got her use because of it too

[gaunt pulsar]

sugar/flora treasure would be nice

[hollow lagoon]

i hate crow but

[versed mesa]

Epinel not even in intro anymore

[tulip quest]

hahahahaha

[hollow lagoon]

next year phantom thief Epinel Runaway Thief trust

[tulip quest]

How bout 5% to one shot character per hit Trick shot or somethin

[tulip quest]

Well police can be a phantom thief what could be worst?

https://tenor.com/view/catchfly-plant-gif-12141263

For Flora TREASURE

TOO Graphic I guess?

[placid bloom]

I can rehabilitate her bro, believe

[hollow lagoon]

crow treasure?
Improvised explosive: on crit deal 444% explosion damage to targets in radius
Collar shot: on enemy crit, deal 100% of your final maximum hp as true damage to you and adjacent squad members

[tulip quest]

XD How bombs for terrorist or something XD

I still won't use her maybe I think

[hollow lagoon]

she has explosive collar so getting crit=boom

[tulip quest]

HAHAHAHHA

[placid bloom]

every full burst she shoots one random Nikke on your team

[tulip quest]

Lore accurate XD

[tulip quest]

Lore accurate also XD

[versed mesa]

Straps a bomb on them and throws them at enemy team

[placid bloom]

Crow should have passive that makes her unable to be played manually

[tulip quest]

It would be funny if Shift up made a MEME TREASURE that is LORE ACCURATE For her XD

[hollow lagoon]

crow treasure part 2
Burst: everyone hates me, me hates everyone - switch position with 1 enemy unit (you hate your team so u leave to join the enemy, but ur enemy finds this disgusting and joins ur team)
critical chance against self+50%

[tulip quest]

People would hate her more XD

IF Shit up will Cook something for her and put it on April Fools would be really funny

[hollow lagoon]

@tulip quest
crow treasure part 1
Improvised explosive: on crit deal 444% explosion damage to targets in radius
Collar shot: on enemy crit, deal 100% of your final maximum hp as true damage to you and adjacent squad members
crow treasure part 2
Burst: everyone hates me, me hates everyone - switch position with 1 enemy unit (you hate your team so u leave to join the enemy, but ur enemy finds this disgusting and joins ur team)
critical chance against self+50%

so she would sucide if get crit, so her burst is to switch team with 1 random unit with enemy team, get huge crit chance against self when burst and go boom

[tulip quest]

XD

I think just put Syuen as Nikke during april fools Limited Edition

Man I wanna SEE MEME TREASURE FOR ONCE

SHIFT UP Please cook

[hollow lagoon]

idk man i think my crow treasure cook is immaculate, nothing better than seeing my crow swap with your rapunzel, goes boom kill ur team

[radiant coral]

[tulip quest]

Lore accurate she is Kinda crazy narcissist for sure

[radiant coral]

The true damage is necessary

[hollow lagoon]

have to make sure she dies

enemy defenders can prob live it

[tulip quest]

Emotional Dmage if shift up makes that kinda comp and you meet 1 SR15 in C.A

[hollow lagoon]

this thing is counterable by enemy having taunter

to keep crow from being hit

also your crow can still get crit before burst and go boom

i think its a fair and funny treasure

[tulip quest]

Yea I wanna see MEME TREASURE at least once

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/who-dat-snoop-gif-15116696

[hollow lagoon]

speaking of epinel i have friend that perma locked in epinel for 160 wall

[ripe aurora]

Bottom won
The only match up he has lost was team 5.
Scarlett got Nayuta'd
Liberalio didn't even got to burst
Cindy did but didn't even kill anyone with SBS doing double her damage
Team 4 bottom's Scarlet dominated.
And well team 5 didn't really mattered.

[hollow lagoon]

this season is just weird shit after weird shit

bunch of unholy cooks winning

[umbral belfry]

kuwon you owe that guy lost credits

[placid bloom]

I told you he can win by luck

[umbral belfry]

scammer!!

[placid bloom]

His 4 RL Bay can beat Cinderella

And his 3RL Noise enough to let them live Scar nuke for Nayuta reverse wipe

Bad team can win by pure luck

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/kolow-gif-22856605

[placid bloom]

Maybe his 4 RL Bay will always match into slow Cindy

Then he wins every time

[wintry viper]

hello any chefs able to help with SP defense teams?

[lone sequoia]

admi/centi/epinel/privaty/xrupee (few multi but i lost all my gems for 0 xanne)

[placid bloom]

This remind me of that time my union member asked me about cheer in newbie bracket and one guy had C7 Vesti vs uninvested SG and still lost seem investment in that bracket is super sus

[lone sequoia]

vesti team lost?

[placid bloom]

Yeah

[lone sequoia]

all the cp in charge dmg and hit rate

[placid bloom]

I thought the SGs would get 4 shotted because C7

But apparently not

[hollow lagoon]

my friend is not alone

[lone sequoia]

we need a treasure for xrupee, the first pvp unit (banner)

[lone sequoia]

probably just enough dmg to tank vesti and snipe her

you can build lb0 units to face max core units, the stats and cp deficit is hard but you can play around it

[placid bloom]

That is 3.5RL SG Mermaid into double revive and they still lost

Nero stunned sad

All univested SG too

[lone sequoia]

1* revive, mana get like +40%atk in battle

[placid bloom]

I’m pretty sure it took like 4 volleys just to kill SBS

[umbral belfry]

that's my unionmate

our union mates beefing kuwon

[placid bloom]

[lone sequoia]

star is kuwon?

[umbral belfry]

that's means we got beef

[umbral belfry]

no

I assume star is in kuwons union

[placid bloom]

Not me, my union mate ask me for cheer advice

I told him Lova team better

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

And he lost

[umbral belfry]

kuwon big scammer

[lone sequoia]

ff

yeah, weird team, no rosanna

you have to check cp to know a bit more

[placid bloom]

Actually I found the teams

Maybe his Drake just that strong

And live 4 shot Vesti

[swift mango]

Cheer failed but at least my Slow Cindy won.

[halcyon zodiac]

anyone can help me cook pvp teams please, both of arena 🙏

[lone sequoia]

at that cp is just weapon diff

[placid bloom]

I would normally expect that Viper to die to 4 tap, but she actually managed to get B2 off which was the issue

meanwhile Nero stunned

[shell hazel]

I uploaded the matches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0IOceLf8ms
@crystal flicker that stall vs stall was interesting. Really seems like the difference here was lib on 2nd rotation. My moran got murdered (she's 10/10/10 SR-15 tempura etc) lol

but lib if she works will always AOE nuke uncontested, otherwise both our 2nd set of rapu | nero | b3 seemed to trigger at about the same time

[hollow lagoon]

@umbral belfry i deserve more rocks he's #5 in global

[umbral belfry]

I already spared you from eating today's rocks don't push it

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1428469251504865341/11b4852fb9389b50a6e85045c335e5dde7116e7d.gif

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-alter-the-deal-empire-strikes-back-star-wars-gif-15971205

lore accurate Hime ^

[umbral belfry]

[lusty gull]

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

@glad meteor SG won against slow cindy with blanc

[umbral belfry]

go rosy

[marble saddle]

anyone know the investment needed on soda?

OL stats, Doll Lvl, Skills, Cube Etc.

[gaunt pulsar]

should be basic OL 1/1/1 she is just stun wildcard, that doesn't tank or anything

[shell hazel]

was it mihara p5? I find it can lose because mihara dies then you nuke biscuit

I dislike mihara p5 version, not sg biscuit locked

[gaunt pulsar]

best for her would be atk% rolls, if you wanna focus on her burst a little bit more, but i doubt it worth it
someone here has her build

[marble saddle]

so 4 atk ol stats. got it

[gaunt pulsar]

i would just cp roll her, if you plan on using her in SP arena

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/RL5e8D0ordg?si=DuDvryNoWLI5yblR

[shell hazel]

thoughts on soline etc since you're running?

[spiral onyx]

She fulfils her purpose, aka preventing pre-burst loss to SGs and Scarlet. Post burst she doesn't really add any value

[shell hazel]

no possible 2nd b3 on rotation either

[spiral onyx]

That's only relevant in stall vs stall and if there's no investment diff

[shell hazel]

I had such a match earlier lib was good for 2nd rotation

[spiral onyx]

In other cases I just rely on my investment to kill during full burst

[shell hazel]

granted I think it's the only match so far I needed 2nd rotation on

[spiral onyx]

Being able to negate 1/5bvs SG and possibly another 1/5 vs Scarlet is worth imo until there is an even stronger stall passive unit

[shell hazel]

i'm planning to grab with ny selector I think way too much to build still :9

but good to know if I build her she can work here too

[spiral onyx]

Isn't her banner still up atm

[glad meteor]

[wild hemlock]

@valid inlet gg I cooked to hard with Noah p4 and should have left her p5
CN player is dead so surely you win CA this time

[cyan scroll]

i think i vote bigboss but just wanted some second opinions

sorry about the background audio my mic was half on

[hollow lagoon]

boss seems like the safer pick

[cyan scroll]

thanks im 2 away from the frame so im trying my best to get it

yesterday you all pointed me in the right direction

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit help plz

[tropic summit]

vestiTU CS% is higher or equal to 8%?

[warm monolith]

One sec

[tropic summit]

assemble these and check CP (you're on the left)

[warm monolith]

Without adjutant 8.96 with 11.08

[tropic summit]

good you're 8% regardless, equip w/e cube then

[untold tapir]

Why does treasuring Viper ruin her for PVP?

[warm monolith]

No deficit

[tropic summit]

noah temperance
biscuit vigor
vesti any
helmt any
rapunzel vigor/any

jackal quantum
sbs any, don't vigor
laplaceT vigor if she has lower hp than SBS, else any
blanc any
centi quantum

once those are set run them

[warm monolith]

Alr,btw i started to build rosanna a bit whaddya think? 7/7/7 rn

[tropic summit]

4OL 7/7/10 and atk 20-40% then she's usable, keep it up

[warm monolith]

Got the teams already man thank you tho

[lone sequoia]

or emi-laplace

[warm monolith]

Cube?

[tropic summit]

she generally doesn't need a specific cube, highest stat will do

[lone sequoia]

tempering

hard mode after reset?

[vapid lake]

the random bots names are now in english?!

[coarse lake]

My homie

[placid bloom]

I am your Fadda

[tropic summit]

sienna chan

[vapid lake]

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit hey uh,so i was beaten down from the top 10 and i was trying again and again to retake my place and today i did,so can you make me new def teams pls?

[vapid lake]

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit any ideas? im taking these comps from someone's recc but i have doubts about T1

[tropic summit]

what in the world is that scarlet team?

who taught you to build scarlet teams, because everytime i see how you use scarlet i almost faint

[marble saddle]

to be fair thats not my cook so im alot more anxious

[tropic summit]

focus on T1 and T3 and build them again

T3 you need noah + biscuit stall with vestiTU, T1 you need either slow cindy or an approach that lets you out trade them, they're on helmT B3... so...

[marble saddle]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

that's K he's good at pvp, but he doesn't know your invest

build with your invest in mind and focus on T1 and T3

[marble saddle]

yeah which is why i wanted a 2nd look

[marble saddle]

dont worry i already got 2 teams

lemme cook a sec

[gaunt pulsar]

haven't seen anyone answer, but wouldn't call it ruin, she just becomes burst 2 re-enter after fully treasuring, so you would need to have second b2 in team and preferable not to burst with her by placing her after another b2 unit, otherwise you would be doing b1>b2>b2>b3 which adds is extra delay and can cost you fight

[marble saddle]

how about these?

helm should burst RD

[shell hazel]

it is yeah saving my tickets for winter limited

[tropic summit]

T1 is non lethal, dead
T3 is win

try again

[tropic summit]

hint:

T1 needs true damage and DPS
T2 needs p2 killers
T3 needs stall + DPS

[marble saddle]

what about this?

[lone sequoia]

why centi p1?

[placid bloom]

[marble saddle]

prob cause moran scares me a bit

[lone sequoia]

dead unit?

[tropic summit]

doesn't solve the issue, non lethal, it's moran on HP + from trina while on biscuit

cindy is not a DPS

[marble saddle]

btw ive fought this team before.
lost on cindy trade out.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1443104289449967668/20251126-0458-43.7151925.mp4?ex=692883da&is=6927325a&hm=d0f39300e24343e2e54e95ba09067c9423e7dd35888e68511d06056801386ae7&

[marble saddle]

then vesti can only be in t1

[tropic summit]

you getting there, go on

[tropic summit]

ye this team is wrong, you need stall not indom

when you see a defender + biscuit that means enemy will mitigate indom

unless you run something that is 1hitko and only needs 5-8s to kill w/e remains alive

(emilia, liberalio and the likes)

K approach that you had earlier was right on T1, but it lacks lethal, liberalio is countered by HP+ and DR stacking units

you'd need lib on 2 buffs to ensure you're lethal on moran HP+ buffed, on B1 and lifesteal... assuming biscuit doesn't procc anyway, then you're f*ked

[lone sequoia]

there was this team i said the other day, i wonder how go against that T1- nayuta/cindy/rh/helmT/clip RL-rumani

[marble saddle]

any luck?

[tropic summit]

you don't need rumani, what in the world is T3, although the units are partially correct, also where's your jackal...

[shell hazel]

this is like that game where you guess the right words and rail tells you if you have the right letters but in the wrong place 😄

[tropic summit]

hint number 3, emilia on same speed as enemy noah will hit right when shield goes down

[marble saddle]

i dont wanna use jackal for t1 since helm so i figured id move her to t3 but then i realize his t3 has full RL team so not much feed in hence why i figured id wait and see if that could work before i incorporate jackal in

[shell hazel]

hint number 4. Priscilla will be like Emilia but better

[tropic summit]

in fact noah needs to be at least 1RL slower to avoid emilia's nuke

[placid bloom]

you are not bursting Emilia, you are bursting RH

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/barielle-priscilla-priscilla-re-zero-rezero-gif-3462403062579551413

[lone sequoia]

rh main b3 xd

[marble saddle]

oh right.....

[lone sequoia]

is that enough dmg in your sync range?

[tropic summit]

hint 5, indom emilia on same speed

[shell hazel]

I like how hint 4 is now a canon hint

Rail did you see I made it to top 4

[lone sequoia]

hint 6 if rerun, emi c7 day 1(?)

[tropic summit]

@marble saddle hint 6

• stall vestiTU 2RL T1
• indom emi on double buff, same speed as opponent noah or 0.5RL faster (you've the videos to check their speed)

[shell hazel]

I kind of hope they don't re-run her a bit tbh because even trying to c7 emi is expensive

or we wind up with a similar ordinary unit I can at least wishlist for more copies on

[placid bloom]

double buff + debuff, do you believe

[lone sequoia]

vesti

[shell hazel]

like vesti yeah 😛

[lone sequoia]

right now vesti/laplace are in the same spot as emi...

[shell hazel]

the vesti thing doesn't really work though because people have both vesti + emi now

[tropic summit]

DoT heal + lifesteal she could perhaps recover from 1HP even, as she splashes on 5 targets

[lone sequoia]

laplace have the +8%cs because laser and SU fixed her damage to cover so more burst gen

[hollow lagoon]

delicious sync 15 on the chopping block

[placid bloom]

I think you should kill the believers

[shell hazel]

557! 2 sync since yesterday

that's 2 sync in 1 days

[hollow lagoon]

dude.... its hardmode for event story...

[shell hazel]

don't lie to me zanta

lying to make friends

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon busted

[opaque hemlock]

is the strat for sp arena to play once at reset and once at mid-way (through the day)?

[untold tapir]

Is she not worth treasuring?

[tropic summit]

sniping it's just to get ahead assuming you're trading 2 to 2 with someone
meanwhile if you just want a higher starting position, hit 2 attempts near reset to climb then stay defensinve till next reset

[placid bloom]

Viper doesn't even really see use anymore in PvP

if you are getting favorite item it's just for the lobby screen

[hollow lagoon]

do u not get these anymore?

[shell hazel]

I got them but I only got 1 sync

I assume cheating

[hollow lagoon]

well ur evil

[marble saddle]

sorry but i cant figure out how to double buff emi. ik rh is one buff but my knowledge of buffers on pvp ends at rh and trina.

[untold tapir]

What about PVE she still have use?

[shell hazel]

[placid bloom]

no Viper also see no use in PvE

no space

[hollow lagoon]

viper sees use in bed tho

[placid bloom]

25 slot for SR and no space

only space on my lap

[tropic summit]

what's an indom looking like?

[hollow lagoon]

proof ur evil

[marble saddle]

either crap or crapppp

[tropic summit]

here hint 7 @marble saddle

[tropic summit]

that's not an indom, that's a dead blanc p1

[shell hazel]

see cheating

[lone sequoia]

xd

[hollow lagoon]

[marble saddle]

if i put emil on p1 then she will be dead no?

[lone sequoia]

there is a b1 unit that help

[shell hazel]

where jackal gone on indom team

[placid bloom]

[lone sequoia]

and a b2 unit that also help for double buff

[placid bloom]

you need to build team more to understand basic team req

[tropic summit]

yeah man... if only you had a jackal

[marble saddle]

man..... i should stop atking at reset. my brain seems to not be around

[tropic summit]

that way you could distribute dmg

[hollow lagoon]

breh dis aint pve, ye cant quit and readjust comp

[tropic summit]

@marble saddle hint 8

[marble saddle]

at this point i cant possible get any worse........can i?

[shell hazel]

see! nikke wordle 😄

[tropic summit]

i even showed him video of indom comp and he still uses blanc p1

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

whyyyyy

[lone sequoia]

railtracer pvp training camp

[shell hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[placid bloom]

[marble saddle]

prob cause i fixed it in game but not in the deck web site

[tropic summit]

kills helmt but his ross isn't finished iirc

[lone sequoia]

looks like someone is stuck in the class of how position matters

[tropic summit]

ok you're sort of there now, you need to confirm you're 0.5RL slower or same speed, if you're 1RL faster their noah catches your nuke and you're ripperoni in pepperoni

[shell hazel]

?

[placid bloom]

change your Centi to Crown or something, Centi does nothing

[lone sequoia]

now... imagine blanc have more atk than emi

[placid bloom]

Crow is close enough to Crown

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/come-on-in-elcome-enter-come-inside-come-gif-15903675

[hollow lagoon]

🍘 ?

[tropic summit]

@marble saddle where vid of their T3

[marble saddle]

uhhhh........ i wouldnt use noise if i were me

[tropic summit]

MF you're 8% with adjutant on vesti

why do i remember these things and you don't

IT'S YOUR BOX

[marble saddle]

no my vesti is 4.29 with adjutant

[tropic summit]

you kidding me

[hollow lagoon]

bro did i answer right tho?

[tropic summit]

why is she still on 4%

and with adjutant on that

[hollow lagoon]

what does a 8% vesti do again?

[marble saddle]

i dont think im lying

[tropic summit]

give her rocks already, 1 line of 4%

hell even 2% is enough with adjutant

[marble saddle]

i gave her 10 rocks today. mfer cs doesnt appear

[tropic summit]

hits threshold for 0.5RL

[marble saddle]

why you think i was using rumani?

[hollow lagoon]

2 to 2.5?

[lone sequoia]

2shots at 2RL

[tropic summit]

she's gonna steal 1 biscuit stack and reduce your team effectivess, can be ran but...

[marble saddle]

what cannot be cured now must be endured

[hollow lagoon]

3.16 and 4.63 rounds to 8% no?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/wise-gif-5472200

now check enemy T3 speed

then post video here so i can confirm you got it right or not

[marble saddle]

i wasnt kidding earlier as well
#pvp-arena message

[placid bloom]

how this take half an hour to figure out

[tropic summit]

he be learnin'

[marble saddle]

1 i dont have coffee. 2 my pvp is a mess after 3 years of pve

[covert lintel]

Holy moly my lib

[placid bloom]

wtf CP pad

[tropic summit]

and then it's not a crit

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit assuming i have left if i have 8% cs vesti can mmake 2rl like image on right?

[tropic summit]

ye right team is on natural 2RL

[covert lintel]

It's miranda time

[tropic summit]

noise linked + vestiTU has been used in CA by chinnits

[placid bloom]

5% cs enough

[hollow lagoon]

is 8% the required cs not 15 or something?

[tropic summit]

8% is to be consistently promoting to that 0.5RL

[hollow lagoon]

3.16 and 4.63 rounds to 8 or 7.5?

[tropic summit]

thats 3 + 5

[hollow lagoon]

just confirming

so i do have 8 didnt know

[tropic summit]

https://nikke.work/ confirm with this

[hollow lagoon]

and didnt know i'm promoted

[craggy pier]

in SP arena, is it okay to move jackel off scarlet team if we have trina keeping scarlet alive?

[hollow lagoon]

so my vesti not as crap as i thought

[tropic summit]

it's situational and depending what scarlet is gonna facetank

[craggy pier]

kk

[tropic summit]

scarlet + trina jackaless against non attacker pressure? she's fine
scarlet + trina jackaless against vestiTU and other pressure? bayonara

[craggy pier]

okay thanks!

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit can i get a check?

[tropic summit]

enemy T3 video for speed check

[marble saddle]

no point now

[spare nimbus]

Should i change this on vesti? My vesti would be left to have only 64%ammo

[tropic summit]

did you listen when i said you need to know if you're same speed or 0.5RL faster than opponent team with emi against noah?

[marble saddle]

yes but he added siren

[tropic summit]

because he's reading this chat

rethink your plans now, it needs to be double buff to be lethal

[deep summit]

No

You're also losing blue Ele

[spare nimbus]

ok

[marble saddle]

yes but now i either need to change emi out since her delay will conflict with noahs shield
so i figured if i sped up the RL i might be able to shoot before noah shield. guess not

[deep summit]

If line 2 was also attack or ammo I would say yes

[tropic summit]

no emi on 2RL doesn't hit 3RL noah

[tropic summit]

here's an example of 3RL emilia against 4RL noah

[covert lintel]

That was 2.5rl emi

[tropic summit]

if it was i'd be dead

their shield pops when my rapunzel is on 5 ammo

watch it again

[covert lintel]

Activating noah shield at 3rl

[covert lintel]

But why your noah 3 ammo

[tropic summit]

2.5RL hits a 4RL team, it really isn't that hard

if they were 2.5RL the noah shield from my side wouldn't be in time

[covert lintel]

This is 6/9 not 5

[tropic summit]

bro you really wanna make me lose further time just to show you?

i'm not doing that, test it yourself

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit im gonna be honest with you
idk what im thinking with my t3
im assuming he stuns my moran. i stun his noise my noise pops majority of my units survive his cindy
after that i kind of lost the plot

[covert lintel]

I tried in the past 2.5rl against 4rl
Noah still catches up

[tropic summit]

the point here is that he needs to be 0.5RL or same speed to hit with shield down

when i took that video both me and opponent had no CS%

[covert lintel]

Oh really?

[tropic summit]

ye emilia was just released

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit are you proud of me?

[umbral belfry]

69

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/pervert-wedding-crashers-kitty-cat-gif-309690366813901430

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

all those buffs on poor moran in T1 and she still just tickled

lifesteal
passive helmT dmg
HP+ + trina passives
passive xmaiden dmg

ye good job on T3

@covert lintel you can all you want

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

[marble saddle]

well a 19% atk vesti isnt gonna do much. once i get her to 40% atk then we shall see

[tropic summit]

no she did plenty good enough

the whole point was to stall out moran, alone vs 5 she won't do a thing

[marble saddle]

not as good as a 40% atk vesti i guess

[tropic summit]

well that would help

[marble saddle]

help would be an understatment. im pretty sure battle would be over in 5 secs

well once again ty for tolerating me

[tropic summit]

you are already achieving your own results, keep it up

[marble saddle]

if you can call pestering pvp vets for help as results then sure

[covert lintel]

2.5rl emi vs 3rl noah sanis?
But i think that emi died before even shooting with s2 anis

[tropic summit]

no it was 2RL emi did you even bother checking

[radiant storm]

@tropic summit can
Scar, Laplace, Trina, Centi, Jackal win against
Noise, Vesti, Bay, Laplace, Jackal?

[tropic summit]

@covert lintel

i swear playing so much privaty has turned you in a troll

[covert lintel]

Oh right
I always thought emi helm with biscuit 2.5rl

[tropic summit]

privaty has taken your sanity, it's all gone

[covert lintel]

But i think even 3.5 noah can still catch it

[tropic summit]

2RL bay is direct counter to 2RL scarlet, assuming opponent has vestiTU with CS%, and they're using quantum as they should, they're 2RL

to run that team it would be gambling opponent doesn't happen to be 2RL

[tropic summit]

last time i ran a 3.5RL noah against a 3RL emilia i ate the nuke in the face

[radiant storm]

Hwbout Scar, Trina, Rosanna, Centi, Jackal vs Noise, Vesti Alt (Quantum and 8%Cs), Bay, Centi, Jackal?

[covert lintel]

No, i mean 3.5rl noah against 2rl emi

[tropic summit]

here's 2.5RL vs 2RL

#pvp-arena message

[covert lintel]

Just like this
My emi lost cause her shoot got immune

[covert lintel]

Are you sleepy?

[covert lintel]

How can 3.5rl become 2.5

[tropic summit]

maybe we're just talking about different things, i'll just leave it as is

my whole point is that 0.5RL or same speed hits past shield and i've proven it

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

show the video

i've given you videos.

[covert lintel]

I got reshuffled, can't atk him anymore

[tropic summit]

obviously

[covert lintel]

But i said 2.5rl against 4rl that mean 1.5rl diff
But you are talking 0.5rl or 1rl diff

[vapid lake]

? What reshuffle

So fast

[tropic summit]

the only data i've is that 1RL slower noah catches nuke, that's why i'm asking you for a video that proves 1.5RL difference

if you provide that i'll believe you 100%

but one of us isn't giving video proof

[vapid lake]

oh rookie arena reshuffle

[tropic summit]

@covert lintel here i'll help you

[covert lintel]

I became c1 this season
Can't atk anyone

[vapid lake]

Complaining about free bracket

[tropic summit]

let's isekai in his bracket

[placid bloom]

Wym, just unsync your team

[covert lintel]

It's not a complain, i just can't send anymore vid proof

[tropic summit]

sounds like excuses

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit is there any way to prevent whiff?

[placid bloom]

There is always ways to derank

[quartz rover]

Think this will work?

[gritty ridge]

No one faster than sbs?

[vapid lake]

Do this

[quartz rover]

Sure, but isn't sbs good damage

[gritty ridge]

She is but shes not a nuke

[covert lintel]

That's the previous vid?
I just said the opponent is 2.5 not 3rl

[covert lintel]

I'll be diamond 5 in a day

[quartz rover]

What if I helm

Nvm it'll probably hit rh

[gritty ridge]

You can replace centi with helm

They have no p5 pressure

[glad meteor]

Scar s1 will make scar highest atk

[quartz rover]

I'll just vesti helm and 2.5 them

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

centi is without RH buff at 3RL, once they hit 3RL she gets B1 buff

look at the buff applied on 3RL

(she's on 3/6)

[quartz rover]

Think rrh is ok here since she's linked?

[covert lintel]

I see

[quartz rover]

Ye she's ok there

[tropic summit]

convinced?

now give me your privaty

[quartz rover]

These whales just keep getting more and more power bro

I need 380k power to even reach their teams

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-movie-james-cameron-western-gif-17538858

[quartz rover]

And my best is 376k and that has 0 burst

[pale sage]

I can't find the list for best burst generation. ?

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-moderation-ban-mod-ban-gif-9351874248631360646

[tropic summit]

pins

[pale sage]

@tropic summit thank you . I appreciate ya

[vapid lake]

I didnt know

[gritty ridge]

I cry

[tropic summit]

don't cry, be strong and face your enemies

what doesn't kill you makes you stronger

[gritty ridge]

No I cry cuz I ask you question and you ignore me

[zinc flicker]

Rookie Arena season just started so I get enjoy my couple minutes of being top 5

[umbral crown]

Mihara was P3

[umbral crown]

[mint kite]

I think I went off the deep end with this defense

Siren killing Noah teams is very annoying

[tropic summit]

oh you mean the question about whifs

those are an unreliable mechanic, don't bother

[gritty ridge]

Im being negatively affected by them lmao

[tropic summit]

the most consistent was scarlet on reload, but even then now with everyone pushing their CS%, you'll have an hard time finding the right timing

[gritty ridge]

My vesti keeps whiffing 1-2 rockets per volley, drastically dropping my dmg

[hollow lagoon]

Have a Baha

[jagged mesa]

i cant handle all this intelligence

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1442625973458698311/1de24351352ac65c748db56bbdf2b21192138a81.gif

[jagged mesa]

scarlet working that abacus fr fr

[hollow lagoon]

I trust the process I dont question it

Time to check my win rate

[shell hazel]

mine is like 30% for me 70% against lol, ah well 😄

[dense kindle]

@tropic summit I finish OL on Moran and my Rosanna now 7/10/10

What should I do now?

[tropic summit]

you mean for SParena?

[tropic summit]

show your current 3 defense teams

[dense kindle]

Okay one sec lemme get for you, also the last teams you gave me worked really well they stopped attacking me

[dense kindle]

Here they are

[tropic summit]

oh wow yeah we aint touchin' these yet

they might solve scarlet and nayuta teams at some point

once they do we can add rosanna to scarlet instead of siren

moran can go with helmt to make a stall team

until they break, keep as is

[shell hazel]

whale alert 🐳

[dense kindle]

lb2

[shell hazel]

I'm f2p like Hime

[tropic summit]

you're less f2p than hime*

[shell hazel]

that does seem to be the case lol

[tropic summit]

if you were as f2p as hime is...

[shell hazel]

I'd be like sync 500 almost

[dense kindle]

I'll screenshot this so I dont forget

I need to learn how to make teams like this you already have counters for the counter

[tropic summit]

the sad thing about defense, nothing is eternal

[shell hazel]

I'm building Ein and Ada for MC but I need more things

[dense kindle]

Since I have you guys here quick question, what would make Soda not stun during burst?

I tried out soda instead of rh in my Scar trina team but it was against nero moran team

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

Railtracer it seems lib version of stall is good for 2nd rotation indeed

[glad meteor]

Ade

[shell hazel]

LapT vs Lib flex stall https://youtu.be/l0IOceLf8ms?si=rtszKREAIFcTq13D&t=34

[tropic summit]

if you get to lib burst rotation, you can wipe right after

[tropic summit]

soda is RNG for the most part, unless you're against a noah and you can guarantee stun as noah will taunt soda in p1 or p2

she's annoying to deal with when you run her on defense, as for attack she needs specific scenarios to shine

[shell hazel]

yep that is how it went have a watch I linked direct to the match in question

even though my moran and lib both died on the way lol

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/death-note-keikaku-dori-keikaku-dori-death-gif-19559967

[shell hazel]

exactly 😄

[glad meteor]

Believe in ade

[umbral belfry]

jsasor learning pvp

[mint kite]

Makes me want to try it instead of what I have

Or course, my Scarlet is awful

[shell hazel]

you'll need built units

no good running without them being invested

[dense kindle]

I have to so we can finally meet in bracket

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel ur whale’s stagnant since ur gone, poor bastard is 457, he ain’t gonna threaten u no more

[mint kite]

My Nayuta is 46% attack

[umbral belfry]

[dense kindle]

Maybe I’ll start poking at these guys soon just to say hello

[mint kite]

But like, she just dies to siren so

[hollow lagoon]

Poking 514?

[dense kindle]

Yea your right Halley probably doesn’t bother checking Spa

[mint kite]

But if I do Noah Biscuit in one team and Nayuta on the other, they can't Siren both

...they kinda both need HelmT

Otherwise I'm running an unbuffed Lib behind Noah

[limpid urchin]

What are the 3 best teams to use in Special Arena?

[north brook]

Not really a guaranteed best defense but rn most flexible are scar soda, cindy noah, vesti blanc probably

Every team can be hard countered though, mainly u want each strong enough to win on opponents facing defecit

Ca teams are usually not great in spa because they aim for a higher average winrate at the cost of having an easy hard counter usually

Ie wins against many teams, instantly loses to scar

[hollow lagoon]

💳

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

prefer any 2RL or 2.5RL

[hollow lagoon]

Anyway

@tropic summit so it happens

[tropic summit]

the man saw an opportunity only to be betrayed by the expectations

[hollow lagoon]

[umbral crown]

[slate falcon]

Could I request one of y’all to cook me a defense comp please, they finally figured out to break through my previous comp and I’ve tried multiple different comps ever since but they still broken through so im kinda at a lost Rn.

[glad meteor]

I feel like some people just tap random names to fight, happens especially when it’s start of season

[slate falcon]

Probably to test who they can beat/bully

[hollow lagoon]

I think this one can do it soon

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[hollow lagoon]

No man do the math

1 more sync and he literally would be in range

[glad meteor]

But some people are hundreds of levels below

[tropic summit]

he'd need to use a defender team with noah + biscuit and cindy

[hollow lagoon]

[tropic summit]

and pray that he kills you with cindy burst

[crystal flicker]

Lib stall is good, but she has this big flaw

[hollow lagoon]

Dude it’s a scarlet it kills it self

[umbral crown]

[limpid urchin]

I was going through the pin guides and I'm curious, are there any def teams that go for outlasting the 5 minute limit?

[tropic summit]

there used to be, not anymore

thanks to vestiTU, you can kill the tankiest nikke via true damage

[crystal flicker]

stall

With QUiry

We're lacking a proper "healer"

[slate falcon]

Now that you mentioned healer, has anyone tested SG Soline?

[tropic summit]

ye bigboi did and showed her impact against SGs, will essentially turn units into moran until burst

[slate falcon]

Mhm interesting

[tropic summit]

just a CA niche unit, don't bother thinking too hard about it

[slate falcon]

so does that mean you don’t burst with her then?

[placid bloom]

well you're bursting Ros in SG

so she's not that easy to fit

[tropic summit]

ye she won't save you from rosanna, plus rosanna can dispel the unit if it happens to be 1st or 2nd highest atk who's targetted by SGs

[placid bloom]

you'd need to run BSoda DrakeT Viper Ros Soline to be 2RL on 1 kill

and BSoda + DrakeT are both getting dispelled in the mirror

unless your Ros is dispelled instead

I guess ideally DrakeT + Viper would be dispelled but

unlikely

[slate falcon]

So basically in simple terms, she not worth it.

Wanted to experiment with her in SP but I guess not

[ivory violet]

Idk how much you spend but Keripo is using her in the stall team you can see it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL5e8D0ordg

[tropic summit]

the problem with taking keripo as example is that you don't have his kind of invest

he's playing kind of a different game compared to the average lad

some of his matchups he straight invest diff opponents

[umbral crown]

Imagine full C7 team

[ivory violet]

Right but you can take inspo from his stuff, I think testing soline in sp arena would be fun

[slate falcon]

I just realized the C7 lamo with that kind of diff him would probably win most fights, plus if he c7 her already the investment is probably also goes insane

[tropic summit]

his CS% is no joke

so much that he said the numbers don't even match nikke deck anymore

[vapid lake]

He doesnt pve so on top of his 🐳 ing he dumps all his rocks into pvp

U aint gonna be like that

[slate falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1428469251504865341/11b4852fb9389b50a6e85045c335e5dde7116e7d.gif

[vapid lake]

U either pick solo raid or pvp to dump most of ur rocks into u can't have both

[slate falcon]

That’s actually crazy

[vapid lake]

After u're done building units that are used in both modes

[tropic summit]

i personally wouldn't recommend investing too much into CA gamemode, let alone CA only units... that gamemode does not reward effort or knowledge, it rewards a mix of invest check and RNG

[slate falcon]

True

[thorn pivot]

hii

[slate falcon]

I wish they’d at least put gems in there for those who got to top 5 and up to make the investments in PvP units worth it.

[thorn pivot]

can someone help me with pvp :3

[strong hull]

Rail chan

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gushing-over-magical-girls-maho-shoujo-magical-girl-surprised-disturbed-gif-13120696653143240502

[tropic summit]

is helm tresured, at least phase 2 and s1 lvl 10?

[thorn pivot]

yes

[tropic summit]

i don't see jackal, you don't have her?

[thorn pivot]

i do

[tropic summit]

nvm found her

[umbral crown]

You can

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren scarlet trina laplaceT
• nayuta centi helmt RH emilia
• noah noise vestiTU biscuit drakeT

Rookie

• nayuta helmt rh jackal laplaceT

[thorn pivot]

thank you so much omg

[turbid iron]

Im stealing this

[mint kite]

...this wants noise prio?

[tropic summit]

go right ahead, keep in mind it's tailored to his box, ensure those units are invested on your side

[tropic summit]

nah that's just bait, it serves to waste a 2RL ideally

[turbid iron]

Is there a better SP team you would run?

[strong hull]

where echocho san

[tropic summit]

difficulty wise,

• 2RL vestiTU (indom or stall)
• 2RL nayuta/rosanna/early pressure (scarlet variants)
• 2.5RL stall (moran + noah or moran + bay)

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor they lookin' for you, you got lost?

[turbid iron]

[strong hull]

bro did 10% on raid

[mint kite]

I'm looking for somewhere to put my nayuta

[strong hull]

have to wipe his ahh

[tropic summit]

nayuta will not work against your opponent, he already beat that

[mint kite]

He already beat Nayuta?

[tropic summit]

wasn't it one of the first teams you ran and they struggled against?

2RL nayuta

[slate falcon]

Thoughts?

[umbral crown]

Go

[tropic summit]

is the team 11%CS wide?

[mint kite]

I haven't run Nayuta at all. I tried to run a bad scarlet team

[strong hull]

and havent see you a while

[umbral crown]

Im.almost in the other side

[tropic summit]

run a team with this then

[slate falcon]

No just vesti and Noah

[tropic summit]

then you're not siren immune, move noah away from p1

@mint kite is your vestiTU 8%CS?

[mint kite]

Yes

[limpid urchin]

Are there any teams built around Nihilister?

[tropic summit]

try these on def next

[tropic summit]

no she's kinda weak for pvp comps

[limpid urchin]

I'm reading that she has some Niche in pvp, through I'm not seeing any default templates built around her.

[slate falcon]

Something like this?

[tropic summit]

remove centi for rumani

you want a backup B1 to prevent being SG'ed

[tropic summit]

she's a flex burst gen on the lower end, cope unit if you don't have the meta ones

[slate falcon]

If I remove centi for rumani my cp will take a hit, should I still do it?

[tropic summit]

then scrap that team, is too vulnerable to SGs

[slate falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1428469251504865341/11b4852fb9389b50a6e85045c335e5dde7116e7d.gif

[keen vapor]

I'm hiding

[umbral crown]

But he can give a try, not like everyone uses SG to attack in SP

[slate falcon]

I have an x-ray goggle unlucky you🥀.

[keen vapor]

I'm in your walls

[slate falcon]

Come out for a cup of coffee

I have cookies as well

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/rocky-iv-dolph-lundgren-captain-ivan-drago-if-he-dies-he-dies-dies-gif-4956349

[umbral crown]

What if his rival have no investment on SGs

I have decent SG but i never use it on SP or rookie, i just rememeber they exist when im doing CA teams

[tropic summit]

sounds like something a fake pvp main would say

[umbral crown]

[slate falcon]

I doubt it I saw them used Bsoda and Drake and their Drake low-key a monster

[umbral crown]

Many people see my SG on CA but they have never seen the light in SP

For me sg team only exist in CA

[vapid lake]

[slate falcon]

They quickly removed that team and never used it again, but I have the knowledge that they do have a SG team at the ready

Does praying help PvP??.

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

see...

you underestimated their opponents because your opponents are spoiling you

[umbral crown]

Like my defense has no biscuit

Maybe im playing a different game like keripo?

[tropic summit]

no your opponents are just dumb as they're in CP range

[umbral crown]

i have the cp of a lv500 being 461

[slate falcon]

At what phase do T-laplace becomes viable in PVP?

[umbral crown]

Phase 3 for more pleasure

[slate falcon]

Oh I can just smell the good rock rolls

[umbral crown]

Since lv200

[slate falcon]

Thoughts?

[slate falcon]

If only my game stop letting me roll the same exact stats every time I try to get better ones🥀

[tropic summit]

cinderellable and rosannable, scrap it

[slate falcon]

…..My brain hurt now, I’m gonna go some Bluey and relax

[spiral onyx]

I wonder how many people have even seen Sakura being using in rookie or SP

It blew my mind how many servers run Scalter defence teams

Maybe not anymore but back when people ran Scarlet SAnis Scalter as their 3 defence teams

[eager mountain]

isnt like a short period after sbs and before emi

[umbral crown]

Well in my case i have never seen sakura being used in rookie or sp

[tropic summit]

barely got to see ssakura on defense myself

it was mostly s.anis scarlet and typical noah teams

[spiral onyx]

Oh I meant normal Sakura, for attack

[tropic summit]

for what?

[spiral onyx]

Against any wind DPS

[tropic summit]

and those were? aside SBS

[spiral onyx]

Her and 2B

[tropic summit]

oh 2B was a thing uh, that's before i even started

[spiral onyx]

2B is still meta today

Homescreen meta

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit you up for round 2?

[tropic summit]

use the SSS+ tier chef @umbral crown

i'm about to hit the bed, 4:30AM

[marble saddle]

ah k.

can you just rate my teams tho? nothing elaborate

no need to tell me what to fix

[kind gate]

Can anyone give me a tip on how to counter this team? my team is actually identical except i'm using Jackal instead of Rosanna. I know Rosanna counters Jackal but I'm not sure who I should build to beat them.

[crystal flicker]

Noise Noah Cindy HelmT Rumani

He's using Lib as sacc

[kind gate]

Is there a good replacement for Noah? She's the only pilgrim im missing

[crystal flicker]

Trina/Anis/Centi

Just don't kill Lib too fast, otherwise they can reach 2RL

[kind gate]

Okay thank you for the sugguestions. Looks like its time for me to start building PVP characters

[valid inlet]

Seems both of our predictions were a bit off
Agree about Noah p5 but it might not be enough, noah might not be able to burst
I think RH p4 in Scar Jack is nice, I didn't thought that it can counterattack trio that well 🫡

Every time I thought I can finally defeat him, he got knock out earlier

Good luck next season ✨

[dusk mantle]

I'm trying to fight this scarlet team with a Moran-Nero stall team, what do you think?

[wild hemlock]

I have 21% cs vesti and like 18% on everyone else so I burst on Vestis 2nd shot I think so I think Noah p5 would have lived and I burst pretty sure... but laplace dying killed my burst right before it finished

[marble saddle]

just asking someone who managed to get 21% CS vesti. how many blacks and blue CS rolls was that?

[crystal flicker]

Change Mana to someone else, and if you run stall, you want another B1 because Moran is 40s

[dusk mantle]

Mana for the res, cuz my helm wasn't able to survive scarlet's ult. I tried Rapunzel instead of Mana

[crystal flicker]

Change that Trina

[valid inlet]

Mine is more cr focused, not sure if I should switch to cs

[dusk mantle]

Btw, does this symbol mean that I need to have all the same CS on all my units in a same team?

not the same CS but at least reach the minimums here on all the units?

[crystal flicker]

Yes

[late tiger]

Isnt that below 20%?

4.63+4.92.4.92+ 5.51 = 19.98

Round up, sure, but still missing 1%
U using charge cube?