pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

you can also sub anchorIM for any other flex unit on high CP that does not steal scarlet's jackal link

[placid bloom]

Lib also has some delays on her ticks landing, so it's not quite true speed

[haughty mortar]

Added resil cubes. Swapped blanc from the HP cube

[tropic summit]

swap anchor for mmast

[placid bloom]

you don't get the burst gen when she shoots, you get the burst gen when her ticks finish landing

[ruby iris]

I just hope I'll be able to tank 2RL nukes

[tropic summit]

@haughty mortar your other flexes are SBS and siren, if those don't steal scarlet link you probably get past deficit

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit can you do me a new def teams pls? Everyone seems to start winning against me:(

[tropic summit]

because your CP is low

[haughty mortar]

Weaker by 3k

[tropic summit]

run in union shooting range

jackal scarlet blanc sbs helmT
jackal scarlet blanc siren helmT

check if scarlet retains link in any of the 2

[tropic summit]

ye but first you need to check links

don't bother showing CP if you already know they don't let scarlet link

[placid bloom]

you're feeding Scar kinda hard with Viper and Moran, so they might be faster than 2RL. That's also assuming Viper doesn't off herself to ele dmg counters, if she dies before 5th shot you are dropping speed

other than Scar 2RL, your Lib can also die to Vesti 4 shot

before Moran can cast B1

[haughty mortar]

Well Scar ain't getting Jacked

[tropic summit]

then invest in your pvp core units and you can hit em

you need 571k

[haughty mortar]

So for now hit someone else

[tropic summit]

you could try

jackal sbs blanc anchor helmt if it kicks you past 571k

ensure sbs has lower HP than jackal and helmt

if SBS has higher HP than helmT give helmT vigor

[lone sequoia]

2nd b3 in p1

if jackal take too much dmg

[haughty mortar]

Well I am 583 testing link now

[lone sequoia]

no cp with a rosanna+sg comp?

[haughty mortar]

Scar is Jacked

[tropic summit]

good to go as long as HP requirement is met

[haughty mortar]

SBS*

[tropic summit]

ensure helmt and jackal have higher HP than SBS

[haughty mortar]

Oh yes

They both do

[tropic summit]

ok run it

jackal sbs blanc anchorIM helmT

[livid prairie]

which set up do you think is better ?

[tropic summit]

right side but noah taunting in p4 is bad
T3 is also solo noise p1, that's SG weak

[haughty mortar]

CRUSHED!

[haughty mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[limber patrol]

15% charge speed makes this team 2RL or how much charge speed do I need?

[tropic summit]

vesti needs 8%CS

[livid prairie]

you mean noise as the only b1 ?

[limber patrol]

do I have to get it before Champion Arena begins or can I do it while it's happening?

[ivory violet]

Have to do it before, any changes you make to your characters after CA starts don't get tracked in there

[slate falcon]

Can I get some help on beating this guy please?

[torn trout]

Had a friend ask me this regarding soline's kit but I really dont have a good idea on it

"Am I right to think that Soline is a pvp unit that can be used to counter vesti and cinderella (assuming friendly nikkes don't die in one shot) by just existing for 6 seconds?

Skill 2 reads that whenever a squad unit's hp goes under 15%, it will heal 12.27% based on Soline's max hp and will consume a ticket, but skill two states that these tickets won't be consumed for 6 seconds(as long as you haven't full bursted yet). "

[limber patrol]

it's so over then
no rocks.
idk what's wrong with vesti but I can't get more than 1 line per OL. Already used like 30 rocks

[tropic summit]

teams are snapshotted, you need to do it before

[tropic summit]

show your box, should be doable

[tropic summit]

assuming those skills work as intended and as you mentioned, any non lethal damage can be prevented (up to bursting)

[tropic summit]

show CP with this

RH in T3 is RRH btw

actually do me a favour and put siren in p4 instead of RH/RRH

[slate falcon]

I don’t have a Bay or a Drake built sadly

[tropic summit]

you're on the left

T1

• noah biscuit vesti rh centi

T2

• jackal lib blanc siren helmT

[slate falcon]

I see, so that’s how you’re to read it

[livid prairie]

ended up removing moran

[tropic summit]

hmm not too bad, if CP is gud those look pretty solid

good speed
resistant p1
resistant to siren
resistant to SG

and all have high threat

[slate falcon]

This is the cp now

[tropic summit]

ye looks good, run them

wait

you put them in the wrong matchups though

vestiTU goes against enemy moran noah
lib goes against cindy

[slate falcon]

I can’t record but I’ll tell you how it went

[fast nest]

What would be better?

1. resistance to shotgun and siren
2. possiblity against enemy noah

[livid prairie]

Cp is an issue since i have no built peppe, bay and rapunzel

[tropic summit]

fix it to be 2RL imo

[slate falcon]

Thank you, can I come back to ask for help again? I have a long beef with this guy and he love to change up his formations.

[tropic summit]

if i'm available sure else ask anyone

[livid prairie]

And i have no rocks lol

[tropic summit]

well pepper isn't rly worth investing for, rapunzel and bay can have usage

[slate falcon]

Could this formation also possibly be used for defense?

[tropic summit]

no those are tailored for attack

[slate falcon]

Thought so

[fast nest]

hmm??

[ruby iris]

Could any of these teams win against scarlet 2RL?

A good scarlet 2.0

[tropic summit]

looks good, siren resistant, SG mitigated, good threat, good speed

[quick lake]

probably needs more testing

[fast nest]

I meant, specifically, my moran has SR5 and 7/5/6 skill, no OL. I wonder if she alone can survive from shotgun. Of course, Im from low CA.

[tropic summit]

assuming single buff or siren vulnerable scarlet

T1 yes
T2 yes
T3 maybe
T4 yes
T5 likely not

[tropic summit]

moran will always survive SGs on 2RL or 2.5RL

[slate falcon]

Sounds fun would, have to build it to test

[tropic summit]

keep in mind she'll be taunting rosanna so she could although die to that (if enemy is 2.5RL rosanna or faster)

[umbral belfry]

the answer will differ depending if the 2rl scar is scar rh trina, scar soda, or scar rosa

[tight finch]

How does helm burst work with jackal link + biscuit invuln? will it still delete the unit not protected by biscuit?

[quick lake]

Siren still inferior to soda

[umbral belfry]

[gaunt pulsar]

was watching my replays counting lib frames, and found out that if she hits cindy on p5 into decoy her additional shots do not apply like they literally do not happen and you don't seem to get burst from that

[tropic summit]

@placid bloom since you were looking into that, FYI

[slate falcon]

Does leveling OL gear actually help in PvP?

[acoustic light]

yea this is why p1 cindy better than p2 now

screw over lib nuke counter

50/50

[acoustic light]

it does but who has gear exp

[placid bloom]

[acoustic light]

kuwon mind running blanc p1 cindy p2

[placid bloom]

ok, gimme a min

you want Mihara p3 to eat DoT?

ok go

[fast nest]

then rumani p5?

[placid bloom]

I actually have gear exp

but don't want to use credits

[slate falcon]

Are you guys like in the same server and testing decks on each other?

[fast nest]

can it survive from scarlet?

[placid bloom]

feel like I will need them for sync at some point

[acoustic light]

well kuwon doesnt pvp main anymore he evolved to pve main

but lots of pvp comps use pve units and vv

[placid bloom]

yes, though I don't really test that often since I have to defend against attack I just test on the guy I am defending

since he sometimes has real teams now

and sometimes not

[acoustic light]

wait didnt u also tryhard early game

[slate falcon]

I see

[acoustic light]

have always had a credit surplus

[placid bloom]

yeah but I know for sure credit is gonna become an issue at some point

we are nearing sync 450

maybe another 3 month or so

so I am not gonna waste crate just to +5 OL

[acoustic light]

future us problem

attacker u can do 3 helm 2 glove

def/supp can do 3 chest

smth like that

[placid bloom]

yeah I do +3 on some, like my campaign

but +5 cost too much

also maybe after 1 more chapter release we can reach 102 cd/h while stuck at MC

so credit will become bottleneck

[acoustic light]

[azure star]

Imagine being at 100cd I’m at 61

[placid bloom]

you need to mald more

[acoustic light]

scar matchup is rng based on her crit

[placid bloom]

do you need to test against Nayuta SG, my Noir kinda suk though

[acoustic light]

good idea we can try that

just hide noir in the back lol

[placid bloom]

hold on I need to sync her lmao

[azure star]

I see a lot of scarlets in p1 but my scarlet can’t survive p1, sad

When Laplace bursts it’s over

[slate falcon]

Y’all strat of testing decks on each other low-key sounds fun, too bad no one here is in my server for me to do this with

[fast nest]

that's why people started to use rapunzel for 1st burst.

[azure star]

She usually dies right after blancs burst

[placid bloom]

okay it's on team 3

[acoustic light]

tbh we dont test that much

but theres other pvp channels u can join if u want to see more testing/matchups

lots of pvp pies

[slate falcon]

Examples?

[placid bloom]

well you can see if your SPA has people that are in one of the pie branch

they can maybe use their network to communicate

[acoustic light]

yea our pie union discord

[placid bloom]

Idk if there's other big union sub branch in our CA bracket

if it's random straggler it will be harder to find

unless they are here

[acoustic light]

but if ur interested u can join the pvp pie channel

pretty sure its open for the most part

[slate falcon]

Idk even know what pie is

[placid bloom]

not famous enough

where your invasion crews

[tropic summit]

run that team in union shooting range, check scarlet gets "jumping jackal" buff

you've 3 attackers in there, scarlet rh and laplaceT, chances are laplaceT is taking scarlet's link

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

@umbral belfry

[tropic summit]

@umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

[slate falcon]

@umbral belfry

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

bothering my hsr time!!!

[acoustic light]

@placid bloom

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/989931904692285470/1425106201854611497/bed1a763c233e72c88b131d0b544a8a9104349118.gif

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

ruining your hsr rizz time

[placid bloom]

we are at war now

[acoustic light]

but yea theres a few pies in here

can always reach out

except hime when shes playing hsr ig

[umbral belfry]

[slate falcon]

Tell me what pie is

[placid bloom]

just ping, who care about what she is busy with

[acoustic light]

damn right kuwon

[tropic summit]

damn the disrespect is real

[azure star]

You are correct

[placid bloom]

pie is f2p bully group

filled with lots of f2p

[tropic summit]

welp, you found out the problem

[placid bloom]

[slate falcon]

lol

[acoustic light]

LMAO

[tropic summit]

[worthy sorrel]

can dm you an invite link

[quick pivot]

Still looking for assistant trying to get new Champion Arena teams. Currently overloading Rosanna, next on list is likely Nero

[slate falcon]

Yeah sure lol

[leaden canyon]

Rail that nayuta rosanna jackal helm vesti team is so consistent its stupid

[placid bloom]

but if you are looking to be bullied by wholesome f2p, you can ask around

[worthy sorrel]

server group that pushes a bunch of for high rankings but ended up with a huge pvp community lol

[tropic summit]

ikr, the timing is perfect to deal with indom and force misindom

[slate falcon]

Sounds good

[umbral belfry]

🥧

[fast nest]

lol. my CA server will get harder and harder.😭

[acoustic light]

not community but a bunch of pvp g**ns

and g**nettes

[umbral belfry]

but, out of all the current pies here one is not like the other

[placid bloom]

what if you join Scarlet

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

you can be Keripo disciple

[umbral belfry]

[worthy sorrel]

if she's in scarlet she'd be keripo's peer

[leaden canyon]

I also found out accidently that my vesti can kill at deficit unbuffed, I put rumani to the left to hood so vesti was unbuffed but she still killed

[worthy sorrel]

hime massive pvp spreadsheet when

[acoustic light]

rapture day tmrw

[azure star]

So does the game use an alphabetical list to dictate buffs or something , I guess I’ll have to replace rh in that team.

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

run these

[quick pivot]

Bless

[tropic summit]

ridicolous

SU still not aware they created 2 anti whel units

nayuta and vestiTU can trivialize even high deficit

[slate falcon]

Should work no?

[tropic summit]

nice unprotected blanc

10/10 would 1tap her

[slate falcon]

I sense sarcasm, I might be imagining it

[tropic summit]

because it kinda was

[tropic summit]

just run blanc in either of these ways:

• blanc indomTarget rapunzel flex flex
• blanc indomTarget biscuit flex defender
• indomTarget backupIndom blanc flex flex
• jackal indomTarget blanc flex 2ndlinkedunit

DO NOT run blanc without revive, biscuit or in positions different than p3 or p4

[slate falcon]

You should have doubled down and say it wasn’t sarcasm

[tropic summit]

to be even more specific, p3 is still punishable via vestiTU and emilia, so actually p4 is prefered

[slate falcon]

Thank you , though it’s not a team i plan to run, I have some free time currently so I’m messing around with some decks.

[gritty ridge]

Whosat

Chat how do I learn to play nikke

[slate falcon]

Im kind of inexperienced but I’ll say you learn by playing the game

[quick lake]

very nice photo shop skills

[cunning crown]

👉 💳

[slate falcon]

Goated advice

[azure star]

Can I use siren as a replacement for red hood here, she pretty much the only comparable combat power character I have -which a lower final atk , not to take the buff from Scarlett

[gritty ridge]

How do I do that

[cunning crown]

👉 👨‍💼

[tropic summit]

by getting a job that doesn't involve touching the ladies

[tropic summit]

scar blanc rh is lethal
scar blanc siren isn't necessarly lethal

opt for

scar trina siren laplaceT jackal, instead

[acoustic light]

@placid bloom can u move nayuta to p1

on sg team

[placid bloom]

sec

Ok done

[vapid lake]

[leaden canyon]

almost have enough mileage to c6 noah

[gritty ridge]

Can I touch rail for money instead?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-frieren-no-not-nope-gif-5781751025776721420

[fair pivot]

Can I ask for help for my first CA? I tried to make some teams but my roster is limited and it seems like I have barely enough for 2 and a half teams.

[acoustic light]

tyty can u go back to blanc p1 cindy p2 one last time lol

[azure star]

Thanks!, took back challenger 1 briefly , that frees up Blanc since my other team is
Noah, centi, vesti, helmt, noise. Need to cook up the 3rd since siren was in that initially

[placid bloom]

Ok done

Good thing this game load fast now even after I close it

[unique wagon]

So she doesnt work in PvP

[placid bloom]

Soline? She works but just not good

[acoustic light]

ok thanks kuwon should be it

[unique wagon]

what is wrong

[gritty ridge]

Phoric you wanna cook me teams?

Shes a sg

That has low gen

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/do-your-best-anime-gif-25753335

[gritty ridge]

And her kit isnt very useful

[tropic summit]

post it here and we can give you feedback

[acoustic light]

I could but the other pies dont like my cooking

[gritty ridge]

Why not

Are they bullying you?

Ill fight hime

[tropic summit]

@umbral belfry look at this grunt

[placid bloom]

Her element bad into fat Scar counter, can die from above trigger threshold. Also don’t think we have confirmation that her heal can trigger on individual SG pellet, so can die from above threshold to SG shot too

[tropic summit]

little dolphin wants to challange one of the biggest f2ps

[acoustic light]

Ping her! ping her!

[gritty ridge]

@umbral belfry are you bullying pookie?

[azure star]

[umbral belfry]

he's gonna be in my pools tomorrow trust

[gritty ridge]

Youll lose

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge start runnin'

[gritty ridge]

5-0 sweep

[umbral belfry]

[fair pivot]

here’s what I tried to cook. For the 5th team I think I may as well use mass produced nikkes

[tropic summit]

hime has got something that is bigger than yours and it isn't synchro gap

[gritty ridge]

Id beat keripo if he was bullying phoric

[azure star]

I just pray I don’t get a 1m+ combat gap in league

[tropic summit]

there's no CP padding in CA, deficit won't matter

try to make at least 3 teams that are 2.5RL or 2RL.
if not possible, aim for a minimun of 3RL, don't bother with teams over 4RL (unless they're slow cindy)

[glad meteor]

[fair pivot]

There’s no deficit penalty in CA? Ok then I’ll try to squeeze more batteries together and sac the other teams.

[gritty ridge]

@acoustic light this is what im planning to run

[glad meteor]

No moran

[gritty ridge]

She aint built yet

Shes sr5 7 7 7 no ol

[umbral belfry]

k

[leaden canyon]

Should I change anything here? my slow cindy team lost against ever team it went against because apparently everybody was putting noise noah teams in p1 and mihara was getting the dots taunted

[tropic summit]

t1 and t2 archetype are fine, you can potentially run a pseudo slow cindy but you'll need rumani, 4th team you might pull off a 3RL with lib rapunzel and leftover, 5th team just run a generic 4RL with nayuta in p1

[glad meteor]

Why is nayuta not p1

[leaden canyon]

B.soda dies for burstgen

[glad meteor]

Ah

I thought that team was 3rl on base. I was running same ish team. I might need to change

[gritty ridge]

I hope my bracket switches to nayuta sg too

It would help me alot

[leaden canyon]

3.5 as base, so killing an enemy unit and having one of yours die makes it 2RL

[acoustic light]

looks good, for t1 would be worth dropping siren for a burst gen to get vesti to 2rl since siren doesnt do much against invested ppl, and for t4 I cant speak to lib comps since I dont run her

[gritty ridge]

I am 2rl

Or close enough at least

[leaden canyon]

it won against every team it went against, other sg teams, scar teams, noise noah vesti teams, blanc teams, it only lost against biscuit teams

[gritty ridge]

I need to make a "wall" edit of poli

[leaden canyon]

sense biscuit teams are just the natural counter to it

[gritty ridge]

Cuz she is the wall

[glad meteor]

My SG cant break through nero moran

[acoustic light]

oh I see well what are u trying to counter with siren

[glad meteor]

Too weak

[gritty ridge]

I see the occasional noah or blanc p1

Shes also a backup b1 if noise somehow dies

[glad meteor]

Blanc p1 is usually biscuitted and slow cindy

[acoustic light]

p1 blancs in slow cindy comps shouldnt be affected by siren

and noah usually in 2rl team

[gritty ridge]

I mean like, blanc sbs

[placid bloom]

in his bracket there is a lot of worse comp

it is basically our old bracket

[acoustic light]

but tmrw is rapture day

[gritty ridge]

I dont think there is anyone in my bracket with enough cs for b2 siren proof

[gritty ridge]

Im hopefully below the cutoff

[leaden canyon]

need to buff up your sg then

[gritty ridge]

Mcfly is much higher level than me

[acoustic light]

u mean server #?

[gritty ridge]

Both

[acoustic light]

okok tbf vesti should be killing sbs comps too

[gritty ridge]

Vesti kills everyone

[acoustic light]

unless they hiding her and blanc in p4/5

true lol

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/vesti-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-gif-6999906611543065394

[gritty ridge]

I think i may have the best vesti in my bracket

[acoustic light]

40 atk

not sure what the lib comp wins against but not all teams can have high wr

[gritty ridge]

My lib comp sucks

I just dont have t.lap

[acoustic light]

or maiden im assuming

[gritty ridge]

No xmaid

Before my time

[acoustic light]

soon

[gritty ridge]

I wanted x.lud too

[placid bloom]

Lib only beats slow Cinderella, and it has to be 2-2.5RL

if you are 3RL Lib you actually lose

[gritty ridge]

I beat sg

[placid bloom]

her matchup spread is so bad

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna run nero moran lib most likely

Its just gonna take time to build

[acoustic light]

yea since ur missing gen stall would be the way to go

esp since u can replace helm+siren in the vesti team with 2 other gen

[placid bloom]

even that one is not that good, she doesn't get Nero passive so she is missing a lot of dmg reduc. She can die before her burst lands if you are unlucky

[shell hazel]

similar, you got more atk than me

[acoustic light]

it did decent in toddler bracket but I dont plan on running lib anyway

[vapid lake]

Run her as a battery

[acoustic light]

forget if it won against mana version or not but bigboi u can check the pvp logs should be in there

[acoustic light]

tried she has 18 cs too

[placid bloom]

LapT, you have not failed my faith

Idk how I will fix her other 3 piece

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

I invest in ele for raid. Need atk OL + ele for pvp

And dupes are nice

[fair pivot]

Thanks for the help. What is a pseudo slow Cindy?

[tropic summit]

cinderella blanc rh biscuit rumani

rh can be any attacker, you want someone who can bait helm nuke on themselves

since the team doubles as defender team it will be SG resistant and opponent needs to run lethal nuke

[leaden canyon]

Vesti just got black attack lets goooo

[shell hazel]

damn besto nuker

[fast nest]

[hollow hamlet]

I know there's no way to know what someone is attacking me with, though his defense squad is pretty good. He went after me a bunch of times - four in one day. I'm at a 50K CP deficit with my current lineup. Is this something I just have to deal with and recover the next day, or can I try to make myself less of a target?

[tropic summit]

how close are you in synchro with this person

check their profile or defense team

[tropic summit]

meaning you could attempt defending succesfully

show your box let's see if you can make something complex

[hollow hamlet]

I pasted their defense team. Profile team is TVesti-TEunwha-TEmma-Siren-Cindy.

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?lang=en&openid=MjkwODAtOTY0NjM0NzMxMTQ0MTM0MjkwOQ== - currently I'm running Noah-Jackal-[Cindy or TVesti]-THelm-RH

[tropic summit]

that's a team that won't burst and can be isolated with p1 and p2 defender unit + biscuit and anything that nukes in 3RL

i wouldn't run that if you want to attempt winning def

[hollow hamlet]

Biscuit better for defense? I do have her.

[tropic summit]

@hollow hamlet can't see it from blabla link but i assume your helm is treasured, at least phase 2 and s1 lvl 10?

[fast nest]

she make defender class invincible.

[hollow hamlet]

Phase 3, s1 is still 7, can make her 10 easily.

[tropic summit]

make it s10

[umbral crown]

verily moment

[hollow hamlet]

Done.

[tropic summit]

does your vesti have 8%CS?

(charge speed)

[shell hazel]

I have 55 rocks I'm itching to spend some but I need to wait to beat MC

[hollow hamlet]

5%. I can show the lines if you want.

[tropic summit]

it's fine found em

[gritty ridge]

Lmfao

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/on-the-case-search-detective-on-it-hat-gif-26966323

[hollow hamlet]

I usually run Cindy on offense due to better lines/more CP.

[umbral crown]

rail mode:

[tropic summit]

get vestiTU on 8%CS when you can, for now run this and see how it does next time he tries to hit it

nayuta vestiTU helmT RH jackal

[hollow hamlet]

He just hit me before the change, I'll keep watching.

Second time didn't go so well for him 😄 Thank you!

[tropic summit]

dayum that was fast

[hollow hamlet]

Maybe he's watching from inside the Discord So Nayuta better on defense?

[tropic summit]

it's situational

defense only works when opponent makes a mistake

he's running the wrong approach to beat it atm, until he discovers it you'll be ok

[hollow hamlet]

What's a good resource to learn this, or just better to lurk here?

[keen vapor]

Five

[hollow hamlet]

He attacked and lost again...

[tropic summit]

we've some material you can read, start with the basics/fundamentals
#pvp-arena message

getting familiar with burst gen will also help you, for that use this
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[keen vapor]

What are the findings of the last days @tropic summit

[tropic summit]

that you should do your surface content this time before sunday hits

[shell hazel]

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

Echo 🧱 as usual 😄

[oak hatch]

How do people make ca decks like this on the website?

[hollow hamlet]

I am, but definitely need to learn more. Question, the notes say you gain more points by attacking someone stronger - does that mean more CP or a higher position on the list? Because I'd think he'd do better by beating someone closer to his own CP.

[keen vapor]

: blancry: I'm brick, nitroless and even missed raid

[shell hazel]

it's rank based for points

attack someone way lower rank/score you get nothing almost. can see they only get 8 points for winning

[keen vapor]

Higher position

[shell hazel]

it's closer to 20 near rank

this is also only rookie arena - it doesn't matter much

[tropic summit]

whoever is rank 1 in your current ladder doesn't necessarely have highest CP, as long as they're within CP distance that is no hit by penalty anyone can beat anyone

[hollow hamlet]

Explains why, the times he's gone after me is when I've done rookie first, and have gone up to just below him.

[tropic summit]

you can calculate what is the minimun CP needed to beat an enemy team by multiplying its value for 0.846

if your CP is at least equal or higher than that, you won't be hit by stat penalty

[keen vapor]

I'm not within

[hollow hamlet]

Yup, but I'm also trying to build a better special team by using what I learn in Rookie.

[shell hazel]

also if your rookie shares people from spa you shouldn't run any of your actual spa def teams in rookie

let's your spa opponents test them for free

[azure star]

Mine is 80% the same

[hollow hamlet]

In does in this case. My SPA teams are a mess and I need to sit down and make them somewhat effective.

[shell hazel]

aim for 2 OK teams and probably one Nayuta based cp team for 3rd

you won't have invested enough pvp things to make 3 good teams yet

[north brook]

Its not optimal anyway tbh, since for spa u usually split helm, jackal, or noah off

[trail inlet]

how much charge speed should i get on clip RLs i forgot

is it 18%

[north brook]

More than ur opponent

[tropic summit]

15% for 0.5RL thresholds, 11% for siren resistant

[north brook]

If more is 5% thats fine, if u need a lot more or want to do ca can minmax more

[trail inlet]

fml i am 1.3% off 15%

AAAAAAAA

[keen vapor]

@hoary maple how are you going? Back at Challenger right

[unique wagon]

can tickets be dispelled by rosanna

[tropic summit]

if soline is the owner of the tickets, no
if the tickets are buffs applied on the 2 highest atk% units, yes (although up to 3 or 4 buffs per unit can be dispelled iirc)

[hard isle]

@tropic summit hey i got the helm favorite item just now like you mentioned to me before and some new people, can you help me figure out my teams again and what my best team is?

[unique wagon]

incl. first train discount buff right?

hmm maybe buff overloading can counter rosanna?

[tropic summit]

it does

but eh... that's going through a lot of effort

[tropic summit]

helmt phase 2 s1 lvl 10 reached?

[oak hatch]

What’s the best way to order teams for ca? Throw strongest team towards the end?

[tropic summit]

it's all RNG

[hard isle]

phase 1 and skills all level 7 on her sadly

[tropic summit]

in general

T1 is your strongest team or bait team (slow cindy or noah teams)
T2 is SGs, indom or scarlet
T3 just like above or stalls
T4 typically stalls
T5 SGs teams, cindy, stalls, less likely scarlet

[tropic summit]

then don't bother yet, get her to phase 2 and s1 lvl 10

[hard isle]

ty ty

[nimble swan]

Then you make a lineup to counter all these and 4 of your teams gets hard countered

[tropic summit]

ye, a classic

[nimble swan]

I speak from experience

[tropic summit]

better just throw a dice tbh

and shuffle em up

[nimble swan]

Yeah i do that lately

[oak hatch]

Seems like stall more common on t3-5 then and since they’re prob not very invested at low level i thought it would be a good idea to throw my good teams there for some easy wins

[tropic summit]

could be worth a shot

anything works, do what you think may give you better win ratios

[oak hatch]

@tropic summit could you take a look at my ca teams and help with cubes and maybe nikke positions

Last one is just throwaway team since don’t have enough invested characters

Cubes aren’t that high level so they’re very limited

[tropic summit]

T1 ok
T2 use nayuta in T5, find a flex B2 (naga, xanne, bay, anchorIM)
T3 if helmt and vestiTU are linked, that's on point
T4 biscuit locked, albeit 3RL cindy, still decent
T5 nayuta instead of crown, make this team 4RL or 5RL

use clip SGs that you don't have invested to hit 4RL on T5 btw

[oak hatch]

Vesti and lib are linked

[tropic summit]

sugar, pepper or neon even, nayuta on 4RL can still win you scrap matches

bench crown rrh, can keep ada, liter will do if you got no pepper available

see if you've something like this

[oak hatch]

Lemme check if I’m able to make those changes

[cunning crown]

it's over

[oak hatch]

I have no rapunzel and pepper, maybe somewhat invested sanis better than sugar here?

[cunning crown]

nero finally went back to the cat shelter

[oak hatch]

Should I swap lib and helm position if this is the case

[tropic summit]

go for this

[tropic summit]

no you want to indom vesti, indom target in p2, 2nd linked unit in p5

[oak hatch]

Second link is lib tho and she’s p3

[tropic summit]

then yes swap

also ensure lib has higher hp than vesti

[oak hatch]

I can also use lapace or sbs if they’re any better than sugar here

[tropic summit]

is laplace trasured?

[oak hatch]

No

My unused b1s

[tropic summit]

SBS can fill, team is still 4RL

as for B1 no, they'd kill speed

[oak hatch]

I see, thank you so much for the help also any nikkes that needs any particular cubes on those teams? Want to put the important ones first and then fill the rest that don’t need any particular cubes

[tropic summit]

you're sitting on natural thresholds in all teams

i guess you could give temperance to vesti, scarlet, noah
vigor on noise, biscuit, blanc
rest just run cubes that give you best stats

[oak hatch]

Thx really appreciate it

[tropic summit]

jackal can use quantum as you may be promoted to 1.5RL against SG teams or high feed fodder

[gritty ridge]

Rail so when are you gonna respond to the aligations

[severe tundra]

having trouble vs this set up

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-waiting-for-text-waiting-for-your-reply-gif-14108959

[gritty ridge]

The allegations that youre a boykisser

[severe tundra]

what im working with

[tropic summit]

do you know if opponent T2 (cinderella) is 2.5RL or 3RL or do you've a record of a last attempt against them?

[severe tundra]

no 🙁

what do you use to record

[tropic summit]

OBS

i'm gonna go with the assumption they're 2.5RL

[tropic summit]

post this matchup, your teams are on the left

we can confirm CP before launching

[tropic summit]

ok so you're in range... well i just noticed they're running 2 cycle lineup aswell, might wanna take it safe with siren afterall

[severe tundra]

replace who w/ siren

[tropic summit]

conditions for T3:

• RRH has lower HP than drakeT and jackal
• if drake doesn't, give her vigor

as for T2 change team to moran noah lib helmt siren

T2 will stun noah and let your lib land the nuke, you're likely promoted to 2RL

(cindy p2 gives you 1.25x burst gen on noah)

as for T3 it's indom RRH, she should wipe the entire enemy team and finish off nayuta during indom

[unique wagon]

Is she B or C tier

[tropic summit]

@severe tundra cubes:

moran temp
noah temp
lib any
helmt any
siren any

jackal quantum
rrh any
blanc vigor
centi quantum
drakeT quantum (or vigor if you need the HP for indom)

[severe tundra]

rrh has less hp than jackal and drake

[tropic summit]

yep looks good, run them

[severe tundra]

t1 doesnt matter

[tropic summit]

suggest you record so i can confirm to you if they running 2.5RL or not

[tropic summit]

auto with w/e

[severe tundra]

I don't have obs, sorry

[barren onyx]

best sp arena team?

[severe tundra]

holy shit
You're doing God's work, Railtracer

[severe tundra]

Got any def team suggestions?

I'm just running these at the moment

[acoustic raven]

Its good team? Or any recommendation? Im skill issue,and l dont have vesti tu

[tropic summit]

try these

• jackal siren scarlet trina drakeT
• noah bis cindy lib rapunzel
• nayuta helmT RH anis centi

[severe tundra]

cool

[tropic summit]

no rumani available?

nvm found her

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• nayuta rh helmt emilia centi
• noise noah lib laplaceT rumani
• jackal siren scarlet trina drakeT

Notes

• build up vestiTU, can improve one of the 3 teams once she's ready (potentially we'll remove SG feed or improve T2)

[barren onyx]

thank you

who would i replace after building vesti?

[tropic summit]

probably bench lib, vesti offers more threat

make sure she has 8% charge speed on OLs

[barren onyx]

just scraped some guy thats been beatin me for a while lmao thanks

quantum cube worth on any?

[tropic summit]

jackal, trina, drakeT

lvl 7 is enough

[barren onyx]

sounds good ty

[rustic sandal]

Hmmm...
Lemme try and cook without burning the kitchen.

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/dorohedoro-nikaido-anime-cook-gif-17290047

[rustic sandal]

Okay I didn't cook.

Tried
VestiTU Nayuta RRH Bay Anis

on Rookie.

2W 2L

[dense kindle]

Should I make any changes? I feel like I should be using Nayuta
I also see Laplace in noise noah team now but then idk how to change nero moran team

[tropic summit]

use nayuta in SG team instead of xanne, other teams look fine

[dense kindle]

My goat ty is she fine p3?

[tropic summit]

p2 to let sacc p1 or p5 to counter mirror SG based on side

[covert lintel]

Doro has hidden pvp potential

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon i found your guy

[terse abyss]

im guessing the new unit is relatively fast in pvp?

[covert lintel]

Global always jealous

[tropic summit]

liberalio? in terms of burst gen, she's clip SG burst gen tier, in terms of nuke, it takes 1RL-ish to land

[terse abyss]

nah i mean this shotgun unit

feels like noise, if its faster than noise maybe it has a spot

[tropic summit]

it's regular SG, same speed as naga

[terse abyss]

oof

ez skip then for me lol

[terse abyss]

was hoping for a non wind unit like pepper

tfw pepper just get wiped by vesti

[covert lintel]

But water just gets wiped by scar even faster than pepper vs vesti

[hoary maple]

@keen vapor I'm between rank 9 and 11 pretty much every day. That 541 boost is real but the others catch up quick

[terse abyss]

i did not experience the scarlet era tbh

but my wind units are just dropping before they even get to drive lol

i gotta stop spending money on every costume gacha in this game

[umbral crown]

im waiting for noah gacha skin

besto shieldo deserves everything

[covert lintel]

You should spend more so a 3d dorm would get implemented quickly

[keen vapor]

But how is this possible I wouldn't be able to compete if I was there

[terse abyss]

im already such a shiftup simp, stellar blade was my first game i bought thats not on sale

then i spent 80 bucks on that scarlet skin when next time ima just wait for the pc version

but im sure when stellar blade 2 come out ima be such a simp again smh

[deft pelican]

Can i get some SP def potential help

[onyx scaffold]

Noah B2 might be nuked by Vesti + Emi

[tropic summit]

meanwhile if he moves noah in p5 she can get SG'ed

[umbral crown]

P4 then

[onyx scaffold]

P6

[tropic summit]

PG13

[umbral crown]

si

[dense kindle]

My bracket doesn’t have to worry about Emi teams at least for now

[spiral onyx]

[unique wagon]

All right, what's Soline's tier:

@tropic summit @eager mountain @placid bloom

[leaden canyon]

for slow cindy in ca should I do blanc rumani mihara biscuit cindy or put rumani p1 and blanc p2

[cunning crown]

[terse abyss]

wot in the gawwdamn 9 hells is this

[unique wagon]

What thou doing

[tropic summit]

he cucken'

[unique wagon]

C or B tier.

[terse abyss]

thanks for supporting the game

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/sōma-yukihira-anime-planning-evil-smile-shokugeki-no-soma-gif-13658317

[unique wagon]

Context

[leaden canyon]

anything I should shuffle around?

[spiral onyx]

B tier. Has usage but is very niche and dependent on the team setup

Same as Sora

Which I'm also using this CA

[leaden canyon]

I hope I'm not in weeptrap bracket again

[terse abyss]

i dont even know who sora is

[spiral onyx]

The exhibitionist

[terse abyss]

thats like half the roster

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/you-right-chico-beans-bet-hip-hop-awards2020-bet-networks-gif-1851773471623939137

[placid bloom]

have you gotten killed by SG above the trigger threshold or are you living

[unique wagon]

God my Sora is C tier

[leaden canyon]

I called c tier yesterday

[spiral onyx]

She kept my units alive against SGs despite CP deficit and only 444

[unique wagon]

u assumed pellet didnt trigger individually

[spiral onyx]

That was enough to convince me to full invest

[unique wagon]

So she does trigger on each pellet

B tier then

[placid bloom]

so she doesn't have the Moran issue

[leaden canyon]

If sg have enough damage they can bypass like they do with moran right?

[spiral onyx]

The team still lost cause, well, CP penalty, but she showed her value

[placid bloom]

tempering cube?

I don't have a good feel for SG shot threshold, maybe most SG cannot actually kill from 16%

[spiral onyx]

Yes I think if you don't invest though since it does scale based on her HP and skill level

I didn't go frame by frame though

So don't know the exact mechanics

[leaden canyon]

[placid bloom]

actually if you were living full burst SG shots then each shot should be lethal from above threshold no?

[leaden canyon]

Probably

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren scarlet trina laplaceT
• moran bay helmt lib emilia
• noise noah vestiTU drakeT rumani

[wild hemlock]

Hmmm If Nayuta is in my SG team do I drop Poli... Kinda don't wanna drop Poli cause I just invested in it but

[terse abyss]

i stopped trying to test that scarlet on p1 to avoid the mermaid stun

was losing too much to the same guy lol

kinda sux i lost one of the black buffs

[unique wagon]

I think its per pellet, not per shot then @placid bloom

do u have link that proves its per shot?

by seeing how many times she heals, we can see it

he said with deficit so SG will almost likely oneshot

B tier then

Makima with more steps

eh maybe better than Makima

[leaden canyon]

I wonder if anybody in my arena is running something for me to test

[placid bloom]

the only vid in here so far is her dying to Scar counter

and tanking MG but that is more normal

[leaden canyon]

My arena is either scar, vesti or cindy teams

[placid bloom]

if her element was anything other than water she'd probably be better maybe

[leaden canyon]

the only sg guy I found is almost 200 levels lower than me

[placid bloom]

well you can try Soline solo team

[leaden canyon]

[placid bloom]

even then maybe base stat too high

I can imagine defense at the level being high enough to not let them kill from threshold

[atomic wolf]

@tropic summit i need your help

i'm about to gap every mf in ym rbacket

[unique wagon]

try Soline solo and see if she survives ngl
just rookie it wont harm

record for science

[leaden canyon]

Come to think of it I dont even have rocks to overload her

[unique wagon]

no need

[leaden canyon]

k

any skills I should level or is this just solo soline with no overloads and 1/1/1

Actually she cant really solo since she will be in deficit

[wild hemlock]

how much cs does Lib want

[placid bloom]

as much as you can get after you get 4 Atk/ele

and 1 ammo

[placid bloom]

what if you sync naked R units, does that put you in range

naked team should be enough handicap

[raven plover]

24

[placid bloom]

[leaden canyon]

lol

I remember somebody saying 5% for the first break point, is that right?

[unique wagon]

u cant even start that

just place units to the left

[patent sail]

Guys why my team is 2rl here?? It's just against this team ... when i fight different teams it's 2.5rl

[quick lake]

opponent Noah in P2 taunts, so gives u extra burst gen

[vapid lake]

Answered before i can answer

Mobile type slow

[quick lake]

Im on mobile too

[patent sail]

Why is that giving me extra burst?

[quick lake]

ur turn

[vapid lake]

Ur rl unit shoot noah and splash 3 unit instead of 2

[patent sail]

ooh ic thank u

Bro pvp so complicated

[vapid lake]

Just so u know u are doing the same thing as ur enemy so he is also getting more feed

[leaden canyon]

RIP, I cant find that guys team after refreshing a bunch

[vapid lake]

[unique wagon]

Hmm

[placid bloom]

[patent sail]

And it's not a good move to put noah p1 in this team right?

[vapid lake]

idk

If she can burst before she die she has done her job

[unique wagon]

F

[wild hemlock]

[unique wagon]

F

So no one can test

[leaden canyon]

yeah, somebody must have attacked him and sent him down further on the rookie list, I cant find him and legit refreshed for 10 minutes

[placid bloom]

[wild hemlock]

Can you run Poli and Nayuta in the SG team or does it slow you down to much

[placid bloom]

if you run Nayuta you already don't have reliable speed anymore, you must do enough damage to kill someone

[covert lintel]

Isn't this 2.5

[placid bloom]

and Poli being water (not very advantageous PvP element) and defender base stat adds less kill threat than other SG

[raven plover]

maybe if you have 40/80 (atk/ele) on your SGs

[covert lintel]

How will you win this time against fahren sir🎙️

[raven plover]

thats the neat part, I dont

[umbral crown]

CA shuffle is real

[mellow wing]

@tropic summit should i go for Soline: Frost or is she not worth as f2p player ?

[quick lake]

If u have like 100k+ gems maybe. Niche pvp unit it seems

[keen vapor]

She ain't even PVP

[keen vapor]

NO

[unique wagon]

?

She is a better makima against sgs

She blocks SGs

[keen vapor]

SOLINE YOU

[mellow wing]

i just saw some people texting shes for pvp T.T

[unique wagon]

She also technically blocks all attacks that deal less than 15% dmg

Not only herself but also otherw

[keen vapor]

[tiny scroll]

I do like the idea of running a fully treasure SG team ^_^

Need Soline treasure and what one more?

[keen vapor]

Soline is not treasure, is alt

[tiny scroll]

Viper, Drake, Poli so far

Ya Im saying if they added 2 more SG treasures

[keen vapor]

Viper is bad as well

[marble saddle]

[placid bloom]

CP pad

[eager mountain]

didnt pull and test myself so depends on whether s2 heal has a cooldown between activations, and whether that heal is frame 1 instant or not... her little potential value lies on that, and even assuming the best shes quite niche since hits can easily align instead of being a "coincidence"(despite p1p2 rl has 1 frame delay over p3p4p5 rl without cs)... also rip sg w/ standard sg gen

[gritty ridge]

No

[unique wagon]

No CD. Sg counts per pellet iirc.

[eager mountain]

woah

gonna look for some clips myself then

27% is still the idealized max hp threshold so

[wild hemlock]

Is Rosanna better in P5 or P4 in SG team?

[keen vapor]

It gets same result either way

Someone aims at Rosanna P5? Target skip to P4

[stuck pike]

Always P5 unless youre using another b1

[wild hemlock]

[eager mountain]

likely B based on curr observation and clips, unless CA cooking results surprise me... tho still dont think she can slot in CA
even tho soda is clearly better then B and tove prob doeesnt belong A there for B1 comparsion

[trail pond]

For sp arena and rookie arena what are my best teams here

I don't really understand arena that well

[coarse lake]

did anyone test soline vs sg team

[wind kelp]

Question, even if i might've asked before: I'm at 470 sync level, there's a CP boost at 471, as there always is, would that help in League as everyone is 400deded?

Not sure if it's worth it to recube/etc everything again since i got +1 in defender, attack, pilgrim and abnormal as well 😄

[tropic summit]

CP does not affect CA, nor does synchro

the only things you can carry over is invest (OLs, gear, research etc)

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal scarlet trina drake ada
• nayuta poli vestiTU anis RH
• lib alice blanc centi rumani

Rookie

• lib vestiTU blanc RH rumani

[trail pond]

In that specific order for all of them?

[tropic summit]

ye

order in pvp matters

@trail pond if you're unfamiliar with pvp highly suggest giving this a read
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

[tulip quest]

December double Limited coming if you have xtra gems can but she's main for pve shotgun team

[trail pond]

I get the mechanics mostly but I don't really understand how to team build

[tropic summit]

the main points:

1. team needs to be either 2RL, 2.5RL(nuke resistance), 3RL (minimun threshold recomended)
2. team needs to have threat and/or a gimmick (nuke, stun, sustain, indom...)
3. p1 should be resistant, your burst chain should be protected and ensured to go off (no single unprotected B1/B2 in p1/p2...)

once you get more familiar and more experience with counters and meta, you can add your own flavours to defense, keep in mind you're not supposed to win defense, but you can try making it as hard as possible to break

[wind kelp]

Thankies, then i'll just leave it, 200 atk here there won't change that much 😄 Pain to swift cubes etc around.

[tropic summit]

SU and QoL cannot be found on the same dictionary afterall

[lethal estuary]

What would be best position for pvp?

(I just got tvesti)

[tropic summit]

nayuta lib/vestiTU RH lib/vestiTU siren

put your better built B3 in p2

[gaunt bane]

Imo put anis on sync and replace Siren

[lethal estuary]

Thanks that is working very well! Should I use same lineup for defense?

[unique wagon]

Railtracer doing gods work again

And hes still not MA

[coarse lake]

doesn't make enough guides

[deep kayak]

can anyone suggest me defense team? I dont have rumani,centi,noise invested at all so have to skip pinned msg team

for sp arena

[unique wagon]

Guide is a dumb criteria ngl

[strong hull]

I was mentioned that many time but bro always ignored it despite my nomination

[gaunt bane]

Yea, at your level not much else can be done.

[unique wagon]

I think he just never applied

[hollow lagoon]

[quick lake]

Rail single handedly carrying pvp chat

[onyx scaffold]

https://vxtwitter.com/yorha_exos/status/1991518085417955392.mp4

[quick lake]

Please change Surface Content into Dorm mode

[onyx scaffold]

no shit. i need both and all and more

[swift mango]

But what about selling speedup?

[quick lake]

[onyx scaffold]

noir better than viper?

emilia 101010* ?

nvm i maxed her already

how to beat this team

[crystal flicker]

Ofc Scarlet Soda

[crystal flicker]

Put Nayuta on P5 so you'll always win mirror

And Noir gave the whole team atk buff for ~10-15% of her own ATK

[onyx scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1302588263659212901/1438745788833337404/Nikke.Exe_2025.11.14_-_11.19.33.03.mp4?ex=69213a6e&is=691fe8ee&hm=f8fbe0963ba95e75eee4bf14d3358b08b9178be1df170c6cadbcfb8f0cdea56c&

[crystal flicker]

My network is ass, I can't play that

[onyx scaffold]

basically i ran nayuta p5

[crystal flicker]

That's just your Rosa being weak

[onyx scaffold]

[crystal flicker]

You see you're gonna win if Rosa 1 tap them

[quick lake]

Should I burn more rocks to get more atk on Nayuta

[onyx scaffold]

his rosa didn't one tap my drake either

sadge my SGs are weak

[crystal flicker]

Yeh

I'm back to old SG comp, Nayuta can carry 1 team alone with RH buff

SolineW should be able to help SG survives better though

[onyx scaffold]

I dont rmb when I rerolled my nayuta but she has 4 atk now

[crystal flicker]

Sadly she choose to avoid me

[crystal flicker]

#pvp-arena message

[wintry viper]

which units are priority for treasure now?

[onyx scaffold]

helm

if helm treasure is SSS tier
the others are not even SS

[wintry viper]

okay. Is Miranda worth investing treasure? I already have Helm, Laplace and Drake treasured

[onyx scaffold]

everyone i got treasure for is considered worth

[crystal flicker]

Tove for SG comp

[onyx scaffold]

only viper shouldn't be maxed

[crystal flicker]

I mean PvE

[wintry viper]

Thanks all!

[unique wagon]

Wrong gem mud

[swift mango]

use same team but with Blanc instead.

[swift mango]

If it was 10 season CA ago I would say yes. Not so much now. She is stronger than RH for buffing Emi, Ein and Libby nuke.

[quick lake]

We still dont have alot of good B1 buffers

[hollow lagoon]

b1 pve wise we have enough no?

[quick lake]

pvp

[hollow lagoon]

o

xmica

[quick lake]

[hollow lagoon]

too bad i didnt invest in gear so idk if mine sucides on enemy scarlet

[quick lake]

RH is the only superior B1 buffer

[ivory violet]

Do you care about soloraid? She gets a lot of use there, not so much for PvP.

[hollow lagoon]

Maybe a over invested Nayuta can use Miranda

In PvP

[ivory violet]

Imo Miranda enables some cool and unique comps. Here you can see the interaction with Mihara. She does more dmg by not shooting https://youtu.be/v9rwAcKQ7aQ?si=jkok5lVO7jKEsb67

[leaden bison]

What best pvp team for rookie arena

[hollow lagoon]

2rl indom vesti i’s imagine

[quick lake]

Indeed
Jackal Rumani Besti Blanc THelm

or Soda Trina Scar Centi Jackal

[onyx scaffold]

What if no vesti?

[crystal flicker]

This CA I'm bringing back Pinne

[hollow hamlet]

Can I ask Q about one of the meta lineups that's been discussed here?

[gritty ridge]

Sure

[crystal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/slime-anime-girl-cute-gif-26903083

[shell hazel]

who works as a stand in for liberalio on nikke.work?

[gritty ridge]

Xmaid

[shell hazel]

same gen?

[gritty ridge]

Roughly

[shell hazel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1041250010454556744/1435302424041488616/1386056448949096488.webp

[hollow hamlet]

Noah Moran Biscuit Besti THelm. I get THelm being at the end after Besti, since we want Besti's attack and THelm has high HP and CDR. Noah has her burst ability as a shield. Moran looks like she provides taunt and damage reduction, which would help Noah's survivability. What is Biscuit bringing assuming her burst doesn't go off?

[gritty ridge]

Her passive invul

[shell hazel]

thelm is not cdr thelm is just very high burst gen battery here

[hollow hamlet]

How much does that help in the center?

[gritty ridge]

2 times a battle when a defender reaches 60% hp she makes them invincible

[shell hazel]

noah and moran being defenders ofc

[onyx scaffold]

it is not about being in the center
it is about not being in other slots

[hollow hamlet]

so she can keep noah and THelm alive so Noah can burst?

[shell hazel]

thelm is attacker not defender

[gritty ridge]

She keeps noah and moran alive

She is in p3 to keep vesti safe from other vesti

[hollow hamlet]

Interesting. Thanks.

[gritty ridge]

[shell hazel]

biggest issue with biscuit is just that her burst gen is kind of low

so you have to supplement with faster units like helmT

[hollow lagoon]

ClonedHippos when

[hollow hamlet]

Yeah I'm playing around with the burst gen calculator and spreadsheet, trying to put together good low RL teams.

[gritty ridge]

wtf would i do as a t5 here

[crystal flicker]

That's what you're running? seriously?

[gritty ridge]

No

[crystal flicker]

RH wasted

T1 too expensive

[onyx scaffold]

rh is not a big cost

[shell hazel]

moran nero helmt RH flex is a pretty common comp in our bracket atm

[hollow lagoon]

Nayuta Cindy comp it is

[shell hazel]

could run nayuta cindy comp but needs to free up rumani from t3

[crystal flicker]

Nayuta RH can wipe and ya'll wasting RH for HelmT

[onyx scaffold]

that is for noah

[gritty ridge]

Thats a 2 burst comp

[onyx scaffold]

rh

[fast nest]

[crystal flicker]

That comp not 2RL

[gritty ridge]

Yes, but it is 2.5 (with my helm)

[onyx scaffold]

should be fast enough for noah to burst if enough cs

[shell hazel]

it's 2RL with a good LapT instead of lib there, just saying 😄

[gritty ridge]

Thats true, but then me vesti be suffering

[onyx scaffold]

wtf viper dancing in my cn dorm

[gritty ridge]

Not having emi sucks

[crystal flicker]

Speak for yourself

Both me and the other finalist made it to final without Emi, against Emi user

[gritty ridge]

It would still be nice to have her

I want more batteries

[hollow lagoon]

Looks like vesti need cs

[gritty ridge]

Yayy, blue line fishing cs

[hollow lagoon]

But it would free rumani for a Nayuta Cindy

Personally too fast for indom is kinda bad anyway

I settle fora 2.5 indom

[shell hazel]

jackal will feed some anyway

bigboi vesti prob has enough cs

[crystal flicker]

I don't even use Blanc

It's hard to find spot for her

[gritty ridge]

I dont have 18% atm

[hollow lagoon]

I had a derpy cook but rail told me it’s shiet so I’m like whatever I run boring stuff

[gritty ridge]

What was the cook?

[hollow lagoon]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hoping a Ada boosted helmT could deliver some justice without needing cycle 2

[fast nest]

why is that boring stuff?

[hollow lagoon]

Cuz I switched to this

[gritty ridge]

I see the idea, but if they block helm nuke your team kinda just does no dmg

[hollow lagoon]

Still get Ada proc just on a lower timer

[fast nest]

ada throw granade. its dmg is very strong during full burst even though it is done every 2 sec.

[shell hazel]

I'm unsure on nayuta p2 here, I was toying with the idea myself

[hollow lagoon]

Prob do better with Laplace replacing mana

[shell hazel]

at p2 your p1 can still die for rosa sac

I ran p1 nayuta last time

[hollow lagoon]

I saw u do p1 Nayuta last one

[shell hazel]

yes I dunno if it's better or not tbh lol!

[hollow lagoon]

Wouldent know you think I get to test things?

U know what I wanted to do

Tu Emma to taunt tu greater a fast death

Rail be like mmm bad idea

[shell hazel]

though I do think you can run what you feel like to some degree - is a bit of a playground we get to use

[hollow hamlet]

As a SP arena team, this is 2RL, how is || lib drake centi ada jackal || ?

[crystal flicker]

I only able to get 11% CS for Lib

[shell hazel]

I think I'm basically going to run same teams again but I'll main burst helmt instead of lib

[fast nest]

hmm everyone's deck looks similar each other.

[hollow lagoon]

All right you convinced me I need a glorious death to learn my lessons

[fast nest]

hmm

[onyx scaffold]

no emi. and u use everything with 3 teams

[fast nest]

For my deck, I used delta ninja for taunt.

[hollow lagoon]

Oh

Ur right

[crystal flicker]

I'm not a fan of expensive comp

[hollow lagoon]

My delta is squishier

[crystal flicker]

Coz if you lose, the other not gonna help

[hollow lagoon]

My Emma not squishy

[crystal flicker]

I also changing Cindy 4RL to something else

You know what;s funny

Probably I lose last CA because when I check Moran, she use Resil instead of Tempering

[fast nest]

😭

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

I ran same comps except I put nero to p1 instead of moran and lib is p5 instead of helmt

I wasn't that impressed with lib main burst on my helm comp, it worked like once and the rest didn't 😄

[fast nest]

but lib can annihilate slow cindy tho.

[shell hazel]

meh, that team won 3 matches and lib wasn't even part of two of them as she died 😛

so I'll just use her as flex off-burst

[fast nest]

[shell hazel]

teams set we see how we go this upcoming CA

[fast nest]

Yeah if burst is blocked, lib is nothing.

[shell hazel]

last CA perf

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel

I’m going all in on maddness

[fast nest]

not bad. looks good

[hollow lagoon]

Gonna be popcorn tier

Helm gets Ada buff, Ada gets lib buff, lib self buff

[fast nest]

Idk what location of Nayuta would be better.
Previously, I used Nayuta p5 and won against SG mirror match.

[hollow lagoon]

Honestly won’t matter Emma will taunt sg mirrior match will target Emma

[fast nest]

is that noir's location Tu Emma?

[hollow lagoon]

Oh I didn’t update yes

[fast nest]

Hmm then I wonder this. wouldn't locating bsoda at p3 be better?

[hollow lagoon]

There fixed

[fast nest]

Nayuta -> b soda burst.

[hollow lagoon]

Is Bsoda b3 more preferred over Drake?

[fast nest]

I meant in burst dps-wise to all.

[hollow lagoon]

True

Ok i’lll make the switch

[fast nest]

Previous SG deck let bsoda dead so that she lost all coins even though she got res.
But here she don't die so atk inc buff on her burst will be applied.

[hollow lagoon]

[slate falcon]

Has anyone test soline frost ticket in PvP?

[hollow lagoon]

Not yet

Looks head pat tier

[slate falcon]

Im really hoping her healing can hard tank hits like Vesti

[hollow lagoon]

i dont think so

maybe with nero

[swift mango]

I haven't even set my CA up.

[noble hatch]

U still have 34mins

[swift mango]

@tropic summit cooking me one winning CA team. I have everyone, unbuilt.

[swift mango]

Doing daily now.

[noble hatch]

u have few more hours for daily

[swift mango]

It's okay, I will whip up sth in last 10 minutes

[tropic summit]

i lack the badge to train this pokemon

[tropic summit]

i'd wait for more data/tests, atm doesn't seem worth it but let's see coming days if anyone weird cook happens, 'specially keripo

[swift mango]

It's okay, I'm used to losing

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1091800774662705213/1441134595889168626/VID_20251121_013313.mp4?ex=6921596e&is=692007ee&hm=14e7ba3e6af8c7b3c67d38ace4107f7ef8b2f20c9169c7c82068a28d782f009e&

[noble hatch]

our god father of pvp didnt upload any video for the season 16 CA

[tropic summit]

your teams on the left

[swift mango]

4 rock just to improve 4.8% ATK to 6.8% ATK for Rossana. 🤡