pvp-arena

[covert lintel]

My def team is weak

[tired root]

starts now actually

[spare nimbus]

What

[tired root]

rather it should

[spare nimbus]

Why can i still play

[umbral belfry]

no maint

[tropic summit]

go back to the kitchen then

[spare nimbus]

Imma die

[placid bloom]

@acoustic light okay I hit, you can put your team back

[umbral belfry]

kuwon telling him this when maint was supposed to have started already 😭 😭

[placid bloom]

no server is still up

[acoustic light]

Ive been sniped

[spare nimbus]

Nah SU is screwing me over by giving my opponent more time to hop online

[umbral belfry]

i know

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

that's why i said supposed

[tropic summit]

kuwon bully

[umbral belfry]

it was me

[placid bloom]

Idk, it says maint started but still not actually started

I'm still in

[spare nimbus]

I gotta pray my opponent doesn’t hop online man

[umbral belfry]

maint cancelled

[placid bloom]

[covert lintel]

But def doesn't matter here
I'm surrounded by 40+ level diff and 70+ level diff
They are still sleeping tho

[acoustic light]

well changed teams

[tropic summit]

[acoustic light]

u wouldnt be able to beat my absolute team

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

you are being challenged @umbral belfry

[spare nimbus]

Maintenance lasted 1 second ig

[umbral belfry]

bet lemme get my besti

[tropic summit]

you're surrounded by f2p players like Hime i see

[acoustic light]

lemme get my lapT

[umbral belfry]

[umbral belfry]

5 mins and game is still up

[placid bloom]

[acoustic light]

time to test teams

[umbral belfry]

[tired root]

also, another question, does vestiTU have to be used with emilia or can she work alone in PVP

[tropic summit]

intern-kun fell asleep before pressing the "enter maintenance" button

[placid bloom]

fake maint warning

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

vestiTU can be perfectly used alone, she fits in a lot of archetypes

indom
noah-bisc
glass cannon
flex splashers/battery
moran-noah
nero-moran

[covert lintel]

Fahren's underlings

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

says f2p, is 200kk higher than you...

[placid bloom]

wait maint started

[umbral belfry]

mods ban kuwon

[placid bloom]

nice delay

7 minute delay

[umbral belfry]

just on time

[tropic summit]

admit it, who was the dude that kept maintenace from starting just so they could complete their snipe

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

it was phoric, he needed time to put his teams back

[placid bloom]

no they kept maint from starting so they could counter snipe

oh yes actually it was phoric all along

to make his team un-naked

[umbral belfry]

i knew it

[acoustic light]

was this close to testing absolute

[tropic summit]

these pvp mafia organizations

[umbral belfry]

ty game

[acoustic light]

caught see it was hime

[acoustic light]

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

Thought maint was in 1h

[placid bloom]

are you in daylight savings region

[umbral crown]

Nope, for me nothig changes

Im in Dominican Republic

[lapis field]

Shoutout to j**0 (if you're here) who sniped me and I sniped it back due to that 6 min delay

[acoustic light]

lucky we get nightime at 5pm over here

[umbral crown]

I do not know what it feels having 1h less of your life taken away

[acoustic light]

how we gonna get that vitamin D

[placid bloom]

by going on vacation to Maldives like rich person you are

[umbral crown]

Yes

[acoustic light]

not rich just lucky

[umbral belfry]

the reverse you love to see it

[acoustic light]

maybe there's a gacha for plane tickets

[umbral belfry]

thanks phoric for delaying the servers by 6 mins

[acoustic light]

thank absolute

[placid bloom]

what if they do this every maint now

RNG delay

[umbral belfry]

thanks absolute without emi*

[acoustic light]

truly f2p

[umbral belfry]

i was gonna say a joke but i don't wanna get banned

back to hsr

[acoustic light]

Nobody took the layup

[lapis field]

Payback time from last update who sniped me. Kekw. I thought I was having a bug but it turns out it was truly a delay, a rare delay

[umbral belfry]

i just know the guy who tried to snipe you is mad asf at SU rn 😭 😭 😭

[placid bloom]

daily erp detected

[lapis field]

doro mode

[tropic summit]

MF how are those easy

you lying dog

stop bullying your bracket

[umbral crown]

Are not they ez?

[tropic summit]

not for the poor casuals in there

[umbral crown]

You can not vesti indom moran team, also you can not do it on vesti team

Moran helm emilia gonna lifesteal vesti indom till vesti just ded

[umbral crown]

With 461 boost , T2 and T3 should be 1.1m and T1 1M

[umbral crown]

We are the good people

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[umbral crown]

Im just there waiting for the boost while others enjoyin 481

[pastel narwhal]

we good bois

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

that might be because your pvp team is stronger than your campaign team

[unique wagon]

Is Soline B or A

[umbral crown]

If i had a campaign team

But lastly the one im using is looking like one

[tropic summit]

oh?

[umbral crown]

Has siren and crown

I still remember my days using nero

[tropic summit]

being clip SG could be a determining factor

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

pve wise prob a

[leaden canyon]

For pvp? if her gen isn't good, I dont really see her being used at all

Not like we use emma anymore for her healing in pvp

[hollow lagoon]

or keep her B but elevate if su ever release a powerful 40s b1 lol

[unique wagon]

she is not lcip

[leaden canyon]

Prob low b or c tier for pvp honestly

[hollow lagoon]

her heal's not enough to justify her being a useable character i'd say b

[quick lake]

Maybe a B

[leaden canyon]

Honestly same tier as emma

what ever shes at

emma is in c lmao

her kit bascially does the same healing as emma doesn't she

[hollow lagoon]

dosnt emma haz a taunt?

[unique wagon]

Isnt she just Makima with risk

[leaden canyon]

looking at her now I see no taunt

[hollow lagoon]

Oh the not tactical one

[leaden canyon]

correct

[unique wagon]

taunt is not needed in pvp. its better for her not to have taunt in fact.

[quick lake]

She is. Just put her B/C call it a day for pvp

[unique wagon]

she can make anyone pseudo-indom

but the indom gone so it doesnt work against Alice/RH anw why u need taunt? also not Defender so no BIscuit strat

[quick lake]

Her heal also probably wont work against OHKO nukes as well

[leaden canyon]

Honestly she just has a bunch of healing in her kit like emma does, so I would just place her the same tier as emma for pvp, regular emma not tactical

[unique wagon]

I think its alr gone the moment there is OHKO nukes

B tier it is

[quick lake]

Another sad pvp unit

[hollow lagoon]

Feels like a more generalized but worse biscuit?

[leaden canyon]

is it B tier because she at least has max hp buff?

because we seriously dont use kits like that anymore, noise we use because the max hp buff is pretty huge and you can save noah from siren taunt if you have correct cs values

[unique wagon]

We think she has too many constraints to be effective in PvP. Let’s detail why:

• While she is good for making ANY units, including herself, become pseudo-Indomitable prior to Full Burst, she requires one slot, which comes at the cost of burst gen or other buffs. This is especially true if your goal is to make OTHER units (not herself) pseudo-Indomitable. If you use her as the tank herself, she is similar to Makima (in the first few seconds).
• Unlike Makima, she cannot tank powerful shots, and her pseudo-Indomitability immediately ends upon entering Full Burst. That means no cheese MiharaBC’s debuff strat. She is also a Supporter, so no Biscuit synergy and no blocking Distributed Damage.
• She is Water, and Electric is the most popular element in PvP.
• Her Tickets and First Train Discount can be dispelled by Rosanna (I assume this is the case). If you desire your high ATK units in P1/P5 to be pseudo-Indomitable, be careful of this possibility.
• She might accelerate Scarlet & Jackal’s comps as a Shotgun user.
• She is not Clip SG.
• If not invested, that 15% is a pretty low threshold that can get her insta-killed, especially against strong singles like LaplaceTr’s basic attack.

That being said, she has some good stuff too:

• She is still non-Clip SG, which means her burst gen is still slightly higher than Nayuta or Makima despite feeding tendencies.
• She has CDR, so in stall teams, perhaps a faster second rotation can help? Not ideal for Defense, as the enemy can match Scarlet against you.
• Since she can make ANY unit pseudo-Indomitable, you can place some units in P1/P5 now. This might be critical for countering Rosanna teams (which rely on deaths).
• She can make Nero gain a lot of Cat's Repayment’s stacks if she gets hit super hard in the first few seconds.
• While she feeds into Scarlet & Jackal, she is unlikely to die to them in the first 6s because their counterattacks don’t one-shot.

We don’t see Soline as a mainstay but rather a situational unit or for those who dare test out new teams. While she has plenty of advantages over Makima, I think her use case will be lower because she cannot brute-force tank single-target DPS and single-target nukes (esp. in Full Burst). She also cannot synergize with Biscuit nor taunt to protect the team for Distributed Damage. There is also a risk of her insta-dying from above 15% to 0%. For that reason, we are placing her in B.

ok this assume SG attacks are counted per pellet
I hope that is the case
or I will have to rewrite the whole shit

[hollow lagoon]

What’s this psudo indom thing

[unique wagon]

[leaden canyon]

I guess the potential to stop an instant kill is B tier yeah, at high play though I dont see her saving anybody from one hits because of the damage thats there

[unique wagon]

Infinite heals in the first 6s

assuming u dont get oneshot

wait hang on does that make SG counter Scar teams

unprotected Scar teams

cus they wont get counterattacked to death hmm

[leaden canyon]

well sg on defense all target 5th spot, so if they do enough they can one shot.

[unique wagon]

pointless just use Rosanna am I right

[unique wagon]

if its counted per pellet, they cannot oneshot

[hollow lagoon]

Oh I see how it works

[leaden canyon]

Guess that would require testing

[unique wagon]

Soline makes any SMG/MG/SG not kill themselves against Scar in the first 6s

[leaden canyon]

Because I swear when a sg team does enough it looks like a one shot

[hollow lagoon]

That’s actually pretty neat

[leaden canyon]

CA is so squishy too that at least for that Idk if she can save

would be interesting though

those teams always run rosanna though

But if you can deny a kill then it doesn't get burstgen

hmmmmm

[unique wagon]

their death also gives rosanna burst gen

[leaden canyon]

yeee ik

it at least stop them from killing one of yours, so if you dont kill them quick enough you might stop it from being 2RL

[unique wagon]

I think soline is more of an attack unit or CA only. totally shit on defense for obvious reasons

i wonder if she is preferred over Poli though

probably not

[leaden canyon]

I actually like nayuta in sg team more

it killed every team even other sg teams that were not running nayuta. It only lost to biscuit teams

also killed scarlet teams

idk if that was just a me thing but that was my experience in CA with sg nayuta

I got to top 8

[fast nest]

idk if absolute is good in high CA, but in low CA, it has been a dominator.

[leaden canyon]

yeah you dont really see it in high ca anymore

its more of a wild west team

[fast nest]

is there any reason for that?

[leaden canyon]

it just wasn't performing very well

this CA people were running vesti and ada together

that was a majority

at least in my bracket and I have weeptrap in my bracket

[fast nest]

In my bracket(low CA), I have used the absolute squad for 6 seasons.
People started to use Tvesti as absolute from the last last season.

[leaden canyon]

At least absolute being successful some where

[fast nest]

Yeah, it seems only in my bracket.
I had seen people use absolute with rosanna but I haven't heard any good news from them.
That's why I wondered why they stopped to use it.

[swift mango]

More like 🚮

Only

[spiral onyx]

If her heal effect is infinite for the first 6 seconds, she might have a spot in a stall team. But I doubt it, probably poor/incomplete translation

[quick lake]

Probably there will be some delay between heals

[fast nest]

I wonder if she would be okay with scarlet comp.
After scarlet's burst, soline would provide her maximum 2 times of heals.
Of course, in that sense, Rapunzel seems better.

[pastel narwhal]

solien is huge

[tiny scroll]

What does the Nayuta SG team look like? I don't think I've run into that yet.

[unique wagon]

No, its correct

But stall team is stuck with Nero Moran anyway

If any she replaces Rapunzel

[placid bloom]

heal when below 15% is not good if you die in 1 hit

[unique wagon]

Actually do we have a free slot in stall team

[placid bloom]

she counters stuff like MG the same way Diesel does

I guess counter SG too

[unique wagon]

She is anti Scar counter but feeds her

Shes gonna be usable for dumb 5 sg team against unprotected scar

[fast nest]

After full burst, she doesnt provide any infinite heal btw.

[placid bloom]

I guess it depends on if the counter is killing from 15% on water weak

[unique wagon]

Theres no way u dont fb after 6s or before 6s anw

Due to delays

[placid bloom]

if you survive to FB you should be winning

[unique wagon]

Maybe 2 RL is around 3.5s mark

[placid bloom]

since you assume Ros burst

but more likely you die to Scar 2RL

unless you are killing her before B3 since you don't actually die to counter damage anymore

I guess it is reasonable to kill her with gunshots after Trina wears off if you don't actually die

if your BSoda is fat

and I guess it doesn't really matter that you're not 2LR on 1 kill with 3 clip, Sol + Ros

but it means you must have Viper B2?

or maybe you just go Nayuta anyway

since you don't care about speed anymore after you're no longer 2RL with Ros passive

you get 3 volleys before Scar nuke lands after Ros dispels Trina invin

I think 3 volley is lethal on attacker

just need to make sure Soline don't die to 4 ele Scar counter

from 16%

[leaden canyon]

B.soda nayuta drake noir rosanna is what I ran and it won against every team besides it counter of biscuit so it performed better than I thought

This is for CA

made it to top 8 and lost to somebody that had the perfect counters to my teams lmao

[fast nest]

In my bracket, I ran sg+rosanna+Nayuta and won against sg+anne+rosanna.

but keep in mind, it was from low CA.

[placid bloom]

Nayuta can solo teams, can't really tank her without defensive tools

[spiral onyx]

So she prevents any death through autos during the first 6s ?

If so, could be interesting

[placid bloom]

well I think Vesti hits can kill from way higher than 15% HP

or any other charge shot that's not defender

you do get 10% caster max HP for buffer a bit

[spiral onyx]

She should prevent death from Scarlet counter or SGs at least right

[placid bloom]

yeah

though I haven't actually checked what the kill range on Scar counter is for water weak

if their Scar is strong enough might be able to kill Soline from over 16%

and then the heal is turned off

[spiral onyx]

That alone is sufficient to cover my one team that lacks a proper P5 defensive solution

[placid bloom]

I guess there is also Ros dispel interaction, just depends on which team she is put in

[unique wagon]

She will survive I think

Depends on counter is also per pellet or per attack

Cus if the heal can trigger between pellets it works. Otherwise its shit

We will see I guess

[spiral onyx]

Should be a quick and easy test. Run her in an unprotected team against a SG team and against a Scarlet team

[placid bloom]

I am fairly confident she can tank SGs, I just don't know about Scar. Counter is 138% mod, is that enough to lethal from 16% with S1 Atk stacks?

Vesti S2 is 266% true dmg and that just barely lethals from 25% at equal invest I guess so maybe Scar counter not fat enough

[spiral onyx]

Just need to survive until 2RL

[unique wagon]

Too confident

Keke

Mt is done

[placid bloom]

first tests already done?

[crystal flicker]

We have MT?

[ivory violet]

Well, some guys I know tested soline for PvE lol looks like she's the new shotgun cdr unit

[placid bloom]

not using Leona?

[unique wagon]

Well yeah no shit Soline has better personal damage than DWife but thats not SG team

And this is likely water weak test too

[unique wagon]

Leona is better only if she helps Doro reach effective range.

[ivory violet]

Uh, how is that not shotgun team?

[onyx scaffold]

Grave or Bade imo

[quick lake]

Any soline pvp tests?

[unique wagon]

I think Bade needs 2 ammo

[trail pond]

I randomly qualified for champions arena without knowing how what are my best teams with who I have

[unique wagon]

Where are the scape goat testers

[trail pond]

I really need help bc I don't even know how I got there in the first place and have no idea how to do pvp

[unique wagon]

The cooks are sleeping

[quick lake]

lmao just died

1/1/1 no OL but still

maybe too squishy for now

[ivory violet]

I'm making some teams, no promises that they're optimal though

[sleek ginkgo]

What is Rosanna recommended investment ?

[quick lake]

7/10/10
SR15 4x atk% OL

Some crit rate if u wanna min max some more

[sleek ginkgo]

I'll Maybe wait lol

[trail pond]

Thats fine I just need something

[empty cedar]

Idk but I'm on the fence about this.

Right I built more on my Liberalio for Pvp and noticed that after upgrading her her CS slightly higher now.

Hits now 10.75

Which is solid

But makes my team from 4RL

It a Blanc/Mihara stall team

To a 3.5RL.

Which should be a positive

But I realized also made it that I can be blocked by Noah

That are 3RL

Which back then I could have straight up ignored and one shot the opponent side after Noah goes down.

Now I'm debating whichever I should reroll to reverse this interaction or keep it as having faster RL is overall better

[ivory violet]

T1: This is a variation of the meta scarlet team. It should nuke your enemies quickly
T2: Emma & Eunhwa will buff Vesti’s dmg so that she kills the enemy before even needing to burst, Tia is there to tank for you
T3: Blanc & biscuit comp, blanc will get indom and then give her indom to lib who will nuke enemy
T4: Enemy will shoot at your indommed nayuta while red hood kills them all
T5: Just press auto to put your highest cp units you can’t really make any other decent teams

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit You around?

[coarse lake]

1/1/1 no gear nothing

huge sync diff, and I still couldn't die fast enough with mgs

[trail pond]

do I put the nikkes in that order

[ivory violet]

Yes

[empty cedar]

Definitely was made more so for Pvp

[crystal flicker]

Isn't Soline just have like extra little max hp?

Or she has another kit?

[north brook]

Her heal is infinite first 6s

[sleek ginkgo]

What is the difference between siren and soda ? They both use for stun right ?

[coarse lake]

don't have more than 1 sg peers to test that

[ivory violet]

siren stuns after 50 shots, soda stuns as part of her burst 1

[empty cedar]

Exactly this.

So soline can guarantee the neutral that the team dont died to basics

[sleek ginkgo]

So soda stun is better if you burst before ?

[coarse lake]

problem is, scar counters are not at same time

[north brook]

Siren does more personal dmg, and stuns slightly slower, likely has higher cp from being good elsewhere

Soda hits 2 targets, but only playable for pvp

[coarse lake]

sg pellets are all at same time, it might not work there

if she doesn't heal on every pellet your unit is dying to sg

[north brook]

Soda is usually a bit better for pvp because she isnt as easy to counter

[sleek ginkgo]

Does soda need investment like skill lvl, ol ?

[ivory violet]

It depends, she is rng with her stun. Siren will probably stun p1 around the 2.5rl mark

[north brook]

If u mean soda not really, just give 4ol

[crystal flicker]

Oh so she heal for every instance of damage received?

[empty cedar]

Depends on the match up.

I like siren in p2 as it can be taunted and can stun Noah so it had more predictability

Rather then a random chance from soda

[ivory violet]

Are you planning to build a specific team? If I were to choose one to invest in I'd choose Siren because she's good for more than just PvP

[north brook]

Thing with siren is that most advanced teams are built to not lose to her stun, like running noise noah

[empty cedar]

More so triggers the healing at 15%

[north brook]

And ya ud only build soda for pvp siren would be better if ur newer or freshly got her

[crystal flicker]

I mean what's her heal interval

[coarse lake]

not sure, but imo seems like it

need sg pellet test

[sleek ginkgo]

I'll first use siren than, maybe invest in soda if one day I'm top 8 CA

[north brook]

She should heal every time hp is lowered below 15%

[empty cedar]

I believe its instantly if it reaches 15%

So if the ally hits it it'll trigger again so 0.01

[north brook]

The interval would be every time hp lowered than threshold

[coarse lake]

depends on what they consider time

10 pellets at once, is it 10 or 1 time

or however many it takes to get above it

[north brook]

Should be once per being lower hp than 15%

Mbe depends if it calcs those hits individually or all at once

If 1 pellet triggers the heal and then the rest do dmg post heal for ex

[leaden canyon]

Ok I have confirmed there are spies in here

He actually changed the one team he never changes after I beat it to the perfect counter

I always beat the other two teams but I got a tripple and he changes that 1 team

thats sus af

I'm playing at deficit and there are spies, I got both hands tied behind my back here

[empty cedar]

[obtuse dagger]

[lavish urchin]

Might be same as Moran, that she just die because of the sg dmg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SNcTcyDnRE

[coarse lake]

?

oh true

yeah sgs bypass moran if hit at high enough threshold

all 30 pellets hitting at same time

if soline works the same, most of the time you prob get 0 procs and unit just dies

would need the unit to drop below 15% but not die after a full sg volley, for a single heal

[leaden canyon]

I dont see that happening in CA with how squishy units are

[fast nest]

For the absolute deck, "Any flora Teunhwa Tvesti Temma" is better I guess.
Absolute cannot win against defense sg team, so don't care for putting TEmma or TEunhwa at p5.

[ivory violet]

I had to reread what flora's kit does lmao I kinda love the idea of using her for my next CA. Is this from a guide somewhere? If so can you link it

[empty cedar]

How would soline burst generation compare to

[fast nest]

It was because I have run absolute squad for 6seasons.

[empty cedar]

Like that of pepper? Or slower?

[ivory violet]

Lmfao you are sick in the head for coming up with that I love it. I'm gonna copy your team

[fast nest]

Everyone in my CA(low CA) started to copy this from the last last season. but it seems that other CA servers doesnt use this .

[ivory violet]

It probably won't be as good in my CA bracket I'm level 558 so there are better options available. But it's very cheesy and I like that

[empty cedar]

I can see why it works i mean I was surprised myself when I face it off as it almost killed one of my member but it was a Blanc stall team with biscuit so I manege to beat it but I can see it win if the opponent doesn't have something to resist the neutral

[ivory violet]

With mast? I guess I have to reread her kit tooo

[tight finch]

I'm still stuck waiting for emma to show up

[ivory violet]

😹 😹 😹 oh my god the thought of cheesing someone with Mast/Flora/Vesti/Emma/Eunhwa

[empty cedar]

Hahah what the hell

That was a instant

[ivory violet]

I'm so glad I caught that oh my god 🤯

[empty cedar]

Taking notes to replace my shotgun team and to move Rossana to another team perhaps with scarlet making it stronger against mirror scarlet comps

[fast nest]

btw, are you in the same CA server?

[empty cedar]

Not sure I'm on Global i believe I've seen you before on CA

Last CA I reached 8 placement

[steep sundial]

oh no

[empty cedar]

Welcome to the club 😆

[steep sundial]

i dont know what to do for teams

[fast nest]

I am also globu user If you haven't seen me, then you may not be in my CA bracket.
It is because I have won 4times in a row.

[azure star]

When you arrive late and everyone’s linking a deleted message

[empty cedar]

Ah I see.

I'm still trying to win my first CA

I would have manege to reach top 4 if I had better placement to better block shotgun teams for my second team would have won that 3/2

[empty cedar]

You missed out on the cheesy team comp for CA

[quick pivot]

With the 3rd Anni update, I humbly request a new cooking for potential CA teams (I also have Pascal not shown, but they're like, not invested at all)

[azure star]

But I like cheese

[unique wagon]

Good luck

But its pointless trust

[unique wagon]

She doesn't?

[lunar pawn]

wait, who do I replace centi with? she's duplicated

also, is soline a clip sg?

[marble saddle]

i love having a life

by now my opponent will have prob come back from his vacation

[spiral onyx]

I cooked a bit this CA. Y'all about to see some weird new variants this season from me

[lunar pawn]

[spiral onyx]

Gonna be interesting to see how these teams play out

[spiral onyx]

I'm literally on vacation right now in Miami, it's nice

[lunar pawn]

not miami beach?

should be nice this time of year I think

[spiral onyx]

That was from yesterday. Beach today

[lunar pawn]

nice, enjoy

careful with the jellyfish

[spiral onyx]

Is that a thing?

[lunar pawn]

last time I went there was a purple(?) flag due to the presence of "marine fauna"

lots of them

if there's no flag it should be fine, if there's one, be wary of loose jellyfish on the sand that was dragged by the sea

[spiral onyx]

Oof

Thanks for the heads up

[lunar pawn]

gl, hope it clears out eventually

[gaunt bane]

for rookie I'm thinking Jackal Cindy Lib RH HelmT, mix of CP & speed. Still cant make 2.5RL but I hope Jackal would push that over to 2.5RL.

[fading ermine]

sad off out 64

[ruby forum]

First time I qualified for CA. Any suggestions on what I should build?

[radiant coral]

Does element damage matter in PvP?

[marble saddle]

Finally finished downloading

[marble saddle]

for some very few nikkes. otherwise atk more important

[radiant coral]

Which nikkes and why?

[marble saddle]

ik of only 1
Testi cause most of the OP Defender nikkes are Wind and fire beats wind

so testi can destroy them asap with some ele

[radiant coral]

oh ok thanks

So I guess it’s only for the more used nikke against the more common element in PvP

[gaunt pulsar]

for SG nikke in general i would say too, they have pretty good variety in terms of elements and their whole idea is to nuke as fast as possible, so having that Bsoda with elem lines against electric p1/p5 or drake against wind is pretty good, that's more of CA thing though

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit would i win this matchup? or will siren stun someone else?

[hollow lagoon]

Depends on ur charge jackal speed

[marble saddle]

just a pidly 4.92%

[hollow lagoon]

Could be rough

[marble saddle]

i could put jackal in my team 2 but then idk whod i use for my team 1

[hollow lagoon]

I’m just wondering could u just 2 rl scarlet it

[ruby iris]

Could someone help me add lib and vesti to these champion arena teams?

[marble saddle]

this is what i was thinking originally

but i figured i could try to put jackal in t1

but that siren has the potential to stun my vesti if jackal dies to lib nuke

[marble saddle]

this?

[gaunt pulsar]

why was you even thinking of using jackal in t2 if they have rosanna? she like negates her whole point

[hollow lagoon]

Is ur scar immune to siren?

[marble saddle]

you mean via atk stat being lower?

[hollow lagoon]

No

I mean is ur scar ammo. 28-31

Or was it 27-32

[swift mango]

Depend, if the enemy had SG in Rosa team Jackal could still give more burst gen.

[harsh arch]

do this work by yourself and then show it here and we correct it

[marble saddle]

lemme check

[marble saddle]

nope shes 58 ammo

[hollow lagoon]

Run jackal p1 remove Emil

[gaunt pulsar]

i guess, was just feeling that she would die though, giving enough burst to enemy to 2/2.5 rl depending on when she dies

[radiant coral]

Speaking of which, what shotgun units are ideal? I currently have BSoda, SDoro, and TDrake

[marble saddle]

because rail made that team against a similar rosa team and i won

so i figured a lack of jackal and a centi added shouldnt affect the outcome too much

[gaunt pulsar]

bsoda/noir/tdrake sometimes viper

[marble saddle]

although the burst gen from that team was higher due to jackal so what do i know

[radiant coral]

So clip shotgunners

[swift mango]

This new opening clip is just a turn off to me I had to turn off the volume everytime. The CG is like A.I retuned the old opening vid. The music is just one trash guy yelling at the Mic. I have heard much better heavy metal than that, both yelling at the mic, but at less the other music actually good to heard and better lyric.

[swift mango]

This game just getting worse and worse.

[shell hazel]

I liked the old opening clip on the update

not that it really matters, barely spend time in it anyway

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel I’m I cooked

[marble saddle]

how about now?

[hollow lagoon]

Looks like you prob win

[shell hazel]

new one zips around too much, the old one had more fun stuff like with Noah laughing at someone and novel searching for stuff

[hollow lagoon]

Noah dead

Can laugh

[marble saddle]

will my noah manage to block his scar burst or will i go too fast?

[hollow lagoon]

It’s 3 sec invuln

[marble saddle]

k

[hollow lagoon]

If ur scared then feed it

[marble saddle]

nah id rather trust you than let defeat scare me

[hollow lagoon]

But unlikely u will have issues

Why would u trust me of all people here

I’m a Nayuta clone

[swift mango]

17 pulls for 17 mileage and 10 pulls. Well, 7 pulls wasted but couldn't be helped. Ofc I won't get any SSR in 17 pulls.

[marble saddle]

lets just say ive made some good decisions in the past week so this is my 1 freebie mistake

[hollow lagoon]

Look at my CA comp and tell me I make good decisions

[marble saddle]

i dont play CA so you preaching to the wrong choir

@hollow lagoon

[swift mango]

[hollow lagoon]

Damn I didn’t get u killed I have failed

[cunning crown]

I don't know, the longer I stare at that sg comp the more I like it

[hollow lagoon]

Well I think it’s bad and I’m changing it

[gaunt pulsar]

i doubt they 3rl on scar team, that's 2.5 for sure

[spiral onyx]

Maybe now Novel will actually show up in the main story in search for remaining Noah parts

[marble saddle]

cause of the helm death?

[gaunt pulsar]

yeah, she is dead when you only doing b2

also shouldn't take too much cs for him to get to 2.5

[marble saddle]

well it is what it is. i cannot hope for him to stumble so all i need to do is fix my loadout

[gaunt pulsar]

well, if it works it works, just good to know what your opponents have sometimes, either his trina or centi with enough cs for sure might be just nikke.deck lying a little, because they do not calculate scarlet counters feed

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-reversed-reverse-shocked-gif-15608473656380865909

[hollow lagoon]

Well since I ain’t gonna win ca anyways might as welll have fun

[ruby iris]

If I got both RRH and a B1 in a pvp team and the B1 dies, will RRH use hers? (Sometimes in campaign it doesn't appear)

[gaunt pulsar]

she only becomes b1 if during previous burst b1 died

[small gale]

how does Nayuta work in arena? My Scarlet team (Scarlet, Trina, Centi, Helm, Jackal) can mow down the entire line except for her but she manages to kill the entire team - how does she do it?

[ruby iris]

So she has to die during the burst

Damn ok thx

[tropic summit]

nayuta has 9s indom upon entering, scarlet team is generally a glass cannon

to counter nayuta you generally want to:

• have your own indom, you will outlast her as her 9s are far shorter
• ensure you've DR or anti nuke, her B2 is a mid tier nuke, generally non lethal but still enough to kill a damaged team (noise/moran/noah)
• prevent her altogether with rosanna, but only if she's 1st or 2nd highest atk% in the enemy team, which is often hard to tell

[ruby iris]

I'm having so many problems adding lib / vesti

I might keep that SG team

[gaunt pulsar]

it's only relevant in campaign basically, like a second chance to continue fighting is your actual b1 died

[ruby iris]

Does S2 mean scarlet has to be in P1?

[ruby iris]

Also is 15% CS on Lib enough make it a 2.5RL (adding the yellow thing)?

[worldly osprey]

3 continous banner and i didn’t get a single rate-up unit ada-nayuta-liber. i had to spend 600 gold tickets to finally get them

ada with 420 rolls, nayuta 100 rolls and liber 140 rolls

[swift mango]

Look like you are infected bwith my luck.

Well, my luck was okay withNayuta and Libby though.

Got both in a bit more than 200

[lunar pawn]

what are the current clip rls? Idk who to replace centi with if anis, jackal, emilia and trina are taken

[worldly osprey]

i wish i could’ve gotten another ada dupe too. right now my ada has less hp than vesti even though i’ve already given her an hp-boosting cube. therefore i can’t use the jack-vesti-blanc-ada team

[swift mango]

At least you got Vesti dupe.

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel

[swift mango]

Desire sensor is real. I only wanted 1 ada and I got Ada dupes but can't get Jill.

[swift mango]

Noah slander is real.

[hollow lagoon]

shield stronker in cover

[swift mango]

Time to finish my daily

[hybrid fox]

help.. I forgor how to pvp

[swift mango]

I trying to get phase 7 in Iron and Fire week boss but no luck. So I'm trying to get 3rd Ele for Rapi finally.

[hollow lagoon]

interception?

ultra is a matter of use redhood's b1 on her second cycle

indivilia is.... milk the elemental shields

[lunar pawn]

anyone able to cook me CA teams please?
#pvp-arena message

haven't played it since the 1st season, was gonna use the below as reference but double centi

[midnight rune]

It feels really frustrating how I have all but 1 or 2 characters needed for all these fancy reccommended PvP teams. Like, idk what to do.

[ruby iris]

Could anyone answer these please

[gaunt pulsar]

11% should be enough, but dont quote me on that, i'm just checking by using alice as reference as they have similar charge time, with 11% her 2nd shot lands before 2.5rl and there should be enough frames for all subsequent 5 to land after in 2.5rl timeframe

[ruby iris]

Thxx, also should I place scarlet in p1 to proc Trina?

[gaunt pulsar]

i think? dunno myself, i dont have her

[gaunt pulsar]

nah, doesn't matter, tested on moran, it just means if there 2 electro AR only left one gets buff

[ruby iris]

Oh okok thx

[gaunt pulsar]

can be even p5

[tropic summit]

replace centi with liberalio, problem solved

2% feed is given by ANY enemy comp, that lineup is promoted to 2RL in every case

additionally lib offers better flex DPS than centi

adding SR pressure if you attacking

switch laplace with lib if lib is linked, you want p5 to be linked to counter partially SGs (they can kick you into 1.5RL and ensure you indom)

[lunar pawn]

wait liberalio is being used?

[tropic summit]

ofc she's clip SG burst gen tier without feeding

adds somewat ok DPS too

[lunar pawn]

cheers

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left

• T2 noah + biscuit archetype with a DPS oriented main B3 (RH, vestiTU, RRH, SBS), enemy is running noah without biscuit so you can punish that
• T3 glass cannon scarlet with stun pressure but it's in p3, very easy to workaround, simply don't put noah in p2

[keen vapor]

How to control link here :blancry:

[tropic summit]

it's likely pve mains have lib linked, while pvp mains have lappy linked, which is arguably better (iron code)

[vapid lake]

is it confirmed that she doesnt feed? Her s1 proc is 5 hits afterall, if they dont count as actual bullet hits then

[keen vapor]

:blancry I'm neither of them

[placid bloom]

so Soline no good into Scar counter seem Scar counter too fat and can kill from 16%+

[ruby iris]

Are these good? I left out SBS (and I don't have emilia)

[keen vapor]

What that sounds as less feed than SG tho

[placid bloom]

seem water element is no good

[vapid lake]

So soline ticket mechanic does work as i thought it would, infinite heals for the first 6 seconds

?

[placid bloom]

yes but you can die from 16%+

since some attacks hit too hard

[vapid lake]

I expected that too

Because biscuit defenders can still die if they get one shot

[gaunt pulsar]

unless you nayuta Verily

[vapid lake]

[gaunt pulsar]

oops, had message selected*

[placid bloom]

tbh I still don't know if she work on SG

all the vid is like AR hitting Soline target

maybe Soline don't trigger on SG pellet individual hit

[covert lintel]

Anomaly?

[vapid lake]

Soline probably bad at pvp

[gritty ridge]

Good

I dont wanna pull her rn

[placid bloom]

I am like 99% sure Vesti s2 also kills from 16%+

so she is no good there too

[vapid lake]

I highly doubt shiftup know how to make soline's skill work on each individual pellet

[gaunt pulsar]

we dont have anyone who uses heal mechanic besides nero right?

[vapid lake]

[swift mango]

My RH only 2 Ele too.

Just don't have enough dmg.

[placid bloom]

well for PvP not really, it's not like you care about Crown in PvP

[hollow lagoon]

mine's 3 and 0 atk

[gritty ridge]

The humble crown indom

With chime ofc

[gaunt pulsar]

[swift mango]

Yes, you don't need attack for bossing, just Ele.

[hollow lagoon]

could still use some for damage

[placid bloom]

well if you only want s7 sure you don't need Atk

[swift mango]

But you need Ele.

[placid bloom]

yes

[swift mango]

1 Ele > 4 AtK

[placid bloom]

at lv400 probably

at lv300 maybe not

[swift mango]

Need them to make equivalent of SElegg and XMaiden for Iron and Fire... Maybe I would need to build fire Asuka.

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• crown biscuit lib trina liter
• moran noah alice drake noir
• nayuta naga vestiTU rh centi

Notes

• wishlist blanc, rumani
• build your utilities (noah, biscuit, trina, centi)
• finish asap your helm treasure, aim for phase 2 s1 lvl 10, she can upgrade any team

[placid bloom]

they already have, it's called MMast

[midnight rune]

God bless ya man.

[swift mango]

Like I said 1 Ele > 4 ATK. Maid mast doesn't buff Ele so I don't have to roll for them.

[midnight rune]

Arena seems so utterly different than normal gameplay.

[placid bloom]

arena is puzzle solving game

[tropic summit]

as long as you feel like reading, this gives you a good overview of all the basics you need to know
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

on a bigger scale you can in case refer also to these
#pvp-arena message

[placid bloom]

your opponent give you puzzle, you solve and show them puzzle

that is all

whoever too dumb to solve loses

[swift mango]

Ada was so close to greatness.... If only she buffed RH...

[midnight rune]

Wait, isn't Trina's main shtick boost electric rifles? Why not have her in a team with moran?

[tropic summit]

those are made with CP in mind, any clip RL is swappable if you feel like

[placid bloom]

Trina also buffs chars that hit everything

[midnight rune]

CP? clip RL?

[placid bloom]

well guess doesn't matter unless Crown is stunned

[tropic summit]

burst gen

[placid bloom]

and Biscuit also stunned

[swift mango]

She is a good enough buffer for Cindy

[midnight rune]

I like Cindy

[gaunt pulsar]

cp is combat power, and deficit still applied in pvp though at a little bit different thresholds

[midnight rune]

Ah. Thanks.

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

My goal for next 2 week is 2 more Ele for Rapi and 1-2 more Ele for RH.

Hope it doesn't need 100 rocks.

Crew CA

[placid bloom]

that sounds like a lot of rolls

[swift mango]

It's just 3 Ele. Some guys got 4 Ele 4 AtK 2 ammo with 50 rocks.

[placid bloom]

me spend 20 rock on Vesti, can't even get 1 Atk

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

reject pvp, return to pve

[ruby iris]

Lol

I'm not using one quantum rip

Pascal there tho ahhah

[fast flax]

I am curious now, those are my 3 teams for sp arena (idk if it is wrong but I usually try to just win 2 rounds so my 3rd team is whatever xD)

[tropic summit]

post your box, those teams are weak on both atk and defense, scarlet team gets a barely passing grade

[fast flax]

and these are my nikkes

[fast flax]

I was worried it didn't let me post that many photos hahah

[tropic summit]

run these for defense teams, they fix several weaknesses, speed and CP distribution (table on the right)

T1 is a decent stall team with backstab and SG pressure
T2 introduces double threat behind indom with resistant p1, faster speed and lethal nuke
T3 has resistant p1, B2 + B3 nuke on buff, faster speed

CP distribution should be on point

highly recommend you wishlist rumani, jackal, and vestiTU, get helm treasured as soon as possible

[fast flax]

omg thank you so much

[tropic summit]

for attack team, based on what you facing, use a scarlet and a noah + biscuit archetype team

examples:

SCARLET:

• scarlet trina rh flex flex (2RL or 3RL)
• nayuta scarlet rh flex flex (2RL ideal)

NOAH + BISCUIT:

• noah biscuit lib flex flex (if enemy is 2RL, aim for 2RL, else 3RL is fine)
• noah biscuit rh flex flex (if enemy is 2RL, aim for 2RL, else 3RL is fine)
  ...

[fast flax]

I'd like to treasure helm but I had her on the wishlist since I started and don't even have one copy

[fast flax]

Btw with 3RL you mean 3 rocket launchers? So if enemy has 2 RL I should have 2RL and if he has more I should have 3? Or how is it. Sorry for bothering and tysm for the help

[tropic summit]

sauce: https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

e.g. if you've anis and noah, both shoot 1 rocket, that's 1RL
both shoot 1 rocket again, that's 2RL
both shoot 1 rocket again, that's 3RL

you hit burst at either of the thresholds above if your total team burst gen is enough to hit burst

example above with noah and anis involved

as you can see this team is 3RL, means that either noah or anis will shoot 3 times before you hit burst

the % you see is the amount produced of burst gen to hit said threshold

e.g. they produce in 2RL 82% to hit 2RL, at 3RL they produce 125% to hit 3RL, meaning you will hit 3RL at 3RL

adding another burst gen unit (clip RL) can get you instead to produce enough to hit 2RL at 2RL

as you can see with rumani instead of RRH, they produce 107% to 2RL at 2RL, meaning team bursts at 2RL

the calculator used above is available at https://nikke-deck.web.app/

generally speaking, a faster team always has the advantage, so you'll want your teams to be as fast as possible

[fast flax]

Team building for pvp is way harder than I thought

[tropic summit]

3RL is a average threshold you should always aim as minimal
2.5RL can work depending on comps, as they tend to have a B1 that bursts in time before enemy B3 happens (moran and noise typically)
2RL is the fastest burst threshold

there are a few oddballs when if enemy places cindy in p1 you can hit 1RL or on heavy feed teams (1.5RL)

[ruby iris]

Which one?

[tropic summit]

example of a standard scarlet promoted to 2RL via feed @fast flax

[ruby iris]

Small changes in the last three

[tropic summit]

T1 move siren to p2, if linked anyway you waste scarlet 0RL - 1RL invulnerability
T2 what is moran doing in p4? either p1 or p5
T3 unprotected blanc in 2025 it's begging to go wrong
T4 overall OK
T5 slide back your b2 and b1, you can afford a B3 flex in p2 e.g. vestiTU drake xanne pepper laplaceT

[fast flax]

I'll have to take a look at that thing of RL, I still don't understand at all

[ruby iris]

Alr thx, so I should keep and change a bit the teams in the first image right (so no rosanna)?

[tropic summit]

as mentioned in #pvp-arena message

T1 fix positioning
T2 fix positioning
T3 scrap this team, too vulnerable
T4 OK
T5 fix positioning

[ruby iris]

In t1, what if scarlet gets stunned in p1?

[ruby iris]

Yeah so no rosanna but pepper in t5 right?

Yeah T3 is there but it's so bad rip, I don't have emilia

[tropic summit]

scrap T3 and turn it into standard SG team + rosanna
T5 reconsider vesti team into a proper archetype

vesti can work in anything

indom
stall
battery
offburst dps

[jagged mesa]

What if soline is the new cp deficit buster, survive autos until 2rl then Giga buffed Cindy nuke

[placid bloom]

you won't survive autos if they burst

FB autos will kill you from above 16%

[jagged mesa]

Cp deficit u dying to autos not burst anyways

[placid bloom]

well it depends on the team, if they only have defender RL you can live

even then maybe they hit hard enough if they have enough core

also still not confirmed if she can tank SG pellets or not

[jagged mesa]

O true...

[placid bloom]

if heal doesn't trigger mid-shot then you can die from 16%

[jagged mesa]

I'd assume not

Well not exactly 16%

It's not like you're gonna be 1% when it triggers

Could be up to 29%

(Idk solines exact numbers)

[placid bloom]

it triggers at 15, so they just have to kill you from above that

it's 100% not safe into Vesti, and it's gamba into Scar counter

[jagged mesa]

Oh I meant in practice it could be they knock you to 14%, it triggers, then they have to knock you from 29%

[placid bloom]

the heal is only 12%

[jagged mesa]

Oh

[placid bloom]

though only Vesti can probably kill from 25% at equal invest

Scar should be consistently lethal though if they have enough ele

once Soline dies the heal is turned off

[worldly lion]

Anything I can do to improve my teams for attack and defense? I'm using the same teams for both atm. Also, can I beat this comp? Quant cube is current lvl6. Thank you :>

[latent bobcat]

Is the power gap too big for me to do anything ?

[tropic summit]

assemble these and post them, we can confirm CP

(you're on the left)

[placid bloom]

yes you will hit 1 dmg in full burst if you don't get gunned down by normals before then

[tropic summit]

yes you need enemy CP x 0.846 score to be able to not be hit by deficit, you're clearly in deficit

[ivory violet]

Yeah there's a pin that shows cp penalty based on % deficit and you're deep into deficit territory

[latent bobcat]

Thank you guys 💙

[worldly lion]

thank you

[tropic summit]

looks like rumani has to go, assemble this T1 instead

[worldly lion]

went up to 672370, once I get rumani better invested should I put her back in?

still working on her and Centi's gear

[tropic summit]

yes you're in range now, last thing to confirm then you good to go:

• ensure vestiTU has lower HP than jackal and drakeT

[worldly lion]

Alrighty, she does

[tropic summit]

k you can run those teams then, record if you wanna just in case something is odd

[worldly lion]

thanks a ton, I'll let you know how to goes after reset

[tropic summit]

rumani can be core part of slow cindy and several 2RL teams, so it would be nice if she's invested

i recommend SR15 noah and biscuit aswell, as you'll be running them a lot, especially when facing higher synchro/CP opponents

[worldly lion]

I'll keep that in mind, I'm currently drained on upgrades atm

[pseudo wave]

so for now what's the best team for rookie arena?

[tropic summit]

any 2RL with indom/stall/stun/sustain

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit do u think my comps work
more like

1. do i use laplace over mana and achieve 2rl but lose sustain and a res
2. do i use gearless tact emma to taunt for sg team to maybe achieve faster burst process?

[tropic summit]

T1 you're not hitting 2nd cycle, kinda loses the point of that team, although you do get a better first cycle
T2 a bit overkill
T3 ok
T4 ok
T5 weak

[tropic summit]

as for laplace yes, mana should also never be p5

and uh the emma choice is just weird, i wouldn't

[hollow lagoon]

better first cycle is what i wanna try with

[ruby iris]

I'm making a similar SG stall team, I'm still deciding between nayuta and TPoli

T Poli doesn't sound that bad either in that team

[hollow lagoon]

dont have that built wouldent know

[tropic summit]

situationally both can perform better than the other, although in general i'd recommend nayuta

[ruby iris]

[hollow lagoon]

i'm just hoping an ada boosted helm can yeet enough damage with ada and laplace helping

[tropic summit]

the point of that team is to survive 1st burst from opponent and win either via moran outstalling or getting to 2nd burst

being 2RL with p1 b1 doubles as siren and SG resistant

probably the most complete team you can get, although it loses on threat

but makes it up with 2nd cycle anyhow

[hollow lagoon]

if i go for cycle 2 imma need redhood in there or do classic rapunzel thing

[tropic summit]

bench RH in T5 for soda, that's an option too

at that point you've RH for T1

[hollow lagoon]

my soda not invested

plugging siren would invalid my scar's stun resist

man u know wat dude

i'mma recook

[swift mango]

6.43% easy.

Guess I don't have to worry about 10% in the future then.

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-bocchi-nijika-anime-girl-anime-meme-gif-2272761816011274962

[swift mango]

I need to phase 7 all A.I first

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit got a moment?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gushing-over-magical-girls-maho-shoujo-magical-girl-surprised-disturbed-gif-13120696653143240502

[marble saddle]

does this icon mean the amount of CS respective RL and SR need to use them?

[tropic summit]

it's unit specific

8% for vestiTU and helmT
11%CS for siren resistance
15%CS for 2.5RL thresholds

18, 21, 25 enable hitting even faster frames but that's hardcore sh*t you best not bother with

[marble saddle]

kk.

@tropic summit you think this can work?

i assuming his siren will target my p4 or p5

[tropic summit]

what is biscuit doing there

what is that scarlet abomination

[marble saddle]

keeping jackal/blanc alive?

[tropic summit]

remake the teams with what we taught you

[hollow lagoon]

dont u just

[tropic summit]

don't tell him anything

let him cook or he'll never improve

[hollow lagoon]

why do u think i make good decisions

[tropic summit]

tip 1:

-T1 is weak to DPS behind anti nuke/stall, liberalio main dmg source is a nuke
-T2 glass cannon scarlet, weak to bay/noah or indom

[hollow lagoon]

lib kills slow cindy no?

[tropic summit]

does that have to do with the matchup above or you mean in general? yes in general 3RL lib is direct counter to slow cindy

[hollow lagoon]

if u use noah set on the scarlet

what to use for that lib set

[tropic summit]

wait you're serious?

zant getting rusty sitting on that throne uh

[hollow lagoon]

bruh u think i get to test things?

[tropic summit]

told you already drop those teams and let yourself be hit

[hollow lagoon]

my first instinct is just rosana the thing

[tropic summit]

you can instantly retake the position anyway

[hollow lagoon]

i can but what can they do i'm still sync 550

[tropic summit]

you can run low synchro units on purpose

[hollow lagoon]

just explain me the anti nuke stall tech

[tropic summit]

after he cooks else it's a spoiler

[hollow lagoon]

post it on a image ill save it and u delet it

[shadow pagoda]

Who gets what cubes in this setup

[hollow lagoon]

u plug in nikke dech and check rls

[tropic summit]

that T4 is a real huge gamble... where's midhara in cindy's team? helmT will shoot whoever is higher atk%, i guess you assume it's s.anis

[shadow pagoda]

I’m just copying CA winning team lmao

[tropic summit]

T1 any
T2 temperance whole team
T3 temperance scarlet, quantum the rest, RH any
T4 real gamble team, temperance noah, vigor noise, rest any ajutant/resil/bastion
T5 rumani wants temperance, blanc biscuit vigor

[shadow pagoda]

2.5 the goal?

[hollow lagoon]

for nukes like scarlet u want 2 or close enough to 2 that u get via feed anyway

[ruby iris]

Why is midhara needed in cindy's team?

[shadow pagoda]

Bless

[hollow lagoon]

sucide for dmg

[tropic summit]

DoT dmg adds heavy pressure on non heavy sustain / stall teams

[ruby iris]

Oooh okok thx

[tropic summit]

@marble saddle time ran out, i'll leave it here if you're really still cluess

don't open it if you wanna keep trying

[hollow lagoon]

oh its just 2 anti nukes

[tropic summit]

yep, very easy enemy teams

[hollow lagoon]

i figure most non pvp invested people wont have the choco waifu built

[tropic summit]

T2 can be indom solution too if you wanna, glass cannon scarlet with siren non p1-p2 is very simple

[hollow lagoon]

man i have indom ptsd

[tropic summit]

cuz you're on high cores

whel issue

[hollow lagoon]

i wanted to try a weird thing then i calculated my jackal link would go to me 2X attack core 7 blanc instead of rapunzel aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[tropic summit]

suffering from success

[ruby iris]

Is the tempering cube the best for pvp atm (along quantum)?

[tropic summit]

it's situational, it's just that CA favours temperance in a lot of the common archetypes

[ruby iris]

Oh okok

I should probably use it for sg stall then

[marble saddle]

i made these. didnt check your pic yet

[tropic summit]

yeah those work

[hollow lagoon]

indom on vesti could work but i rather indom on scarlet

[tropic summit]

open mine and see a slightly better option

[marble saddle]

well im saving his teams and my teams so eventually ill have every combination

[tropic summit]

shouldn't go by memory... but you do what you do

[hollow lagoon]

if noah that tq u might have a indom left to try to screw with their t3

or rosana that t3 for science

[tropic summit]

he needs vestiTU and rosanna to deal with T3

at that point he can kill both their B3

[hollow lagoon]

i know i like to rosana

[tropic summit]

emi and rosanna could also be sufficient

although his rosanna isn't invested anyway

[hollow lagoon]

that indom could go on jackal with unlink anyway

rosana scarlet could do it

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit Help plz

[hollow lagoon]

or i'm i tripping,,, how would it play out?

if attackers aint dead it could go on attackers

[tropic summit]

deficit, hit someone else

[warm monolith]

?

Pls fr bro

[ruby iris]

1. won't scarlet in p1 get stunned before she bursts?
2. will vesti be able to kill with only Anne's buff?
3. Cindy's team is a 2RL, but is it too weak against anti-nuke teams?

[tropic summit]

i'm real, you're in deficit and you lack the tools for this one, hit someone else

i unfortunately know your box by now, you don't have the tools

[hollow lagoon]

scarlet the cindy, rosana the vesti, t3 looks fine honestly

[warm monolith]

Can you at least form the teams so i can try?:(

[warm monolith]

No rosanna built

[hollow lagoon]

then ur not trying dis then

[tropic summit]

1. scarlet is stunned on 2RL if you've more than 60% ammo OL, else she reloads when the stun hits thus dodges it via cover
2. vesti can be lethal with single buff
3. this team can get kited, prefer cindy on 2.5RL and save helmT

[warm monolith]

Oh nvm,i got beaten

[ruby iris]

I got 210% ammo OLs

[ruby iris]

Alr thx I'll modify cindy's team

[warm monolith]

I have a stupid question,does enemy teams p1 starts from the left or right?

[fading ermine]

[hollow lagoon]

depends on cs really , my scarlet has right ammo but siren would give her ammo and she cant dodge stun lel

[gaunt pulsar]

inside the match? p1 on the right and they start from right to left when you attack

[warm monolith]

I meant in like this screen

[gaunt pulsar]

p1 is nayuta in this case

[warm monolith]

Allr ty

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit that t1 was pretty messy tbh

[fading ermine]

how can win fah

[warm monolith]

Would it be a problem if i keep my vesti's skills 10/9/9 for pvp? Having some mat issues rn

[slate falcon]

Should work no?

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit 5 blue kits Lel

Oh my soda

[gritty ridge]

Chat can I run 4 atk 4 crit 4 ammo scar with sora b1

[hollow lagoon]

idk but my scar is 1 crit 2 atk and i'm running it with soda

lel its gonna be a wild one

[gritty ridge]

My scar is 4 crit 4 atk rn

Im using soda as well

[hollow lagoon]

op

[gritty ridge]

Tho in spa im running rosa

[hollow lagoon]

here me hoping my core 5 makes up fer it

i kinda wanna scrap the scar team for a lib tho

but that nuke delay

[tropic summit]

what's messy? you out traded, emi is in p4 cannot be hit by anything, she's only hit when rumani taunts and at that point you're early killing theirs

the whole point was denying their main source of dmg while denying damage then out trading

[marble saddle]

messy as in for a moment i thought i was gonna lose not that the team was bad

[tropic summit]

you thought you were gonna lose because you still don't think what happens in the matchup before it starts

simulate it in your mind and you'd know what happens

ABC of making these teams is knowing what happens

[marble saddle]

well i figured id have killed maybe 3 of his units before my vesti died
when that didnt happen i had a

[tropic summit]

[marble saddle]

goes to show my vesti got nerfed badly in the last reroll

[hollow lagoon]

how does dorothy burst interact in pvp? @tropic summit
like for example dorothy b1 lib b3 when hitting enemy team using bay

[tropic summit]

i've very little data on doro, she's essentially not usable in most contexts

[hollow lagoon]

was thinking of a copium delay bomb

cant have fun things in life

[gaunt pulsar]

lib is already delay bomb

[hollow lagoon]

delay the delay bomb

[tropic summit]

this sounds like something this man here instead may come up with@covert lintel

[hollow lagoon]

delay it post noah

nothing on prydwen

[brazen pilot]

thoughts? trying to spread my units out more, but i still feel that im putting too much into scarlet team

[tropic summit]

T1 get helmT out of there
T2 s.anis is out of meta, use any better B3 if available
T3 put linked unit in p5, anis is bad idea for clip RL with indom as she can easily misindom if anything hits her
T4 this is SG weak unless it's noah taunt priority
T5 ok (can prefer nayuta over xanne)

[gritty ridge]

I would put rosa in p5 noir p4

Slightly better against mirror matches

[hollow lagoon]

all my sg are max dolls now cuz i raided with noir and soda

bricked sg account

which is why i asked @tropic summit if i should just sucide with a gearless tu emma who taunts when entering battle

[gritty ridge]

Just kill.the enemy to sac

[hollow lagoon]

oh it works that way?

[tropic summit]

pretty template teams, they're stable though

[hollow lagoon]

kinda boring but i'm also kind of not wanting to be dead at 64 again

[ruby iris]

Bad idea? I made vesti a 2RL and cindy a 3 RL

[hollow lagoon]

in that case my nayuta should go p1 no?

[tropic summit]

cindy needs to be 2.5RL else you're just wasting noise and rumani there

[ruby iris]

I also placed siren in p1 since scarlet got 210%...

[ruby iris]

Oh ok thx, I'll try to free someone then

[tropic summit]

jackal siren trina anis scarlet then

better DR from jackal than siren

[hollow lagoon]

copium level 3 t9m gear on soda, hopefully not suciding

[tropic summit]

she's p4 at least, safest spot you could put her

[ruby iris]

I can't seem to take Cindy to 2.5 not even with anis in Maiden's place

[hollow lagoon]

just aint sure on scarlet counter procs

[tropic summit]

consider liberalio instead of cindy then

you can make a slow cindy and a lib 2.5RL

[ruby iris]

Sorry what do you mean? Swapping lib and cindy?

[keen vapor]

2 teams

[ruby iris]

With noise too ofc

[timber depot]

I am cooked

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

time to win it

[gritty ridge]

P1 or p4

[livid prairie]

guys sp arena teams what do you think ?

[tropic summit]

defense teams?

[timber depot]

These are the 2 other teams I made, havent figured out positioning yet but they're 3RL i think its as good as its gonna get 🙏

[livid prairie]

yes

[tropic summit]

T1 scar team is okish
T2 noise team you should consider different placement for noah, although if it's noise taunt priority it's fine
T3 this one needs fixing, not only are you 3RL with an helmT, but you're giving opponent 1.75x burst gen with cindy in p1

video below of what happens

[ruby iris]

Yeah but I got 2 teams already, Lib is decent but cindy's sucks

[tropic summit]

the blanc team is kinda dead in the water

[livid prairie]

holy

[tropic summit]

not only is it slow, it's siren weak and doesn't have instant nuke

[timber depot]

I thought Siren stunned p1? wouldnt I still get burst anyway

oh moran will taunt?

[tropic summit]

as for the SG team with vesti... not bursting with vesti would be detrimental, you're reviving with rapunzel so high chance bsoda bursts, in terms of speed is ok as it's 2.5RL at least

[tropic summit]

you're too slow that's the problem

moran taunts and diverts siren if she's 2RL

a moran on 3RL will B1 when opponent on 2RL is already long done stunning and B3'ing you

[timber depot]

for the vesti team, should I swap vesti to p1 then so rapunzel revives her instead

I have scarlet i just havent used her bc i feel like removing jackal from my cindy team breaks it a little

or I could put biscuit on cindy team and jackal for a scar team but scar is 1/1/1 no doll since I got her very late

and I think biscuit makes my cindy team slower than 3rl

yeah makes it worth than 4rl swapping out jackal

[tropic summit]

scarlet wants to be natural 2RL or 97% to 2RL
vestiTU is situational, but you wanna punish as soon as possible so prefer 2RL or 2.5RL

[timber depot]

I dont have enough batteries to make that happen i think

[tropic summit]

cindy on 3RL is meaningless so scrap it in case

[tropic summit]

focus on fewer stronger teams then, rest can stay 3RL or 4RL

[timber depot]

I just put in my defense teams and then made 2 others

[tropic summit]

for CA, your teams are as good as your strongest 3 teams
for SP arena, your teams are as good as your 2 weakest teams

[timber depot]

my defense team has cinderella on 3rl

229k > 209k > 139k top to bottom

I have biscuit and scar now

[tropic summit]

the 139k needs to go, use a CP pad team instead

[timber depot]

my CP pad is my 2 first

[tropic summit]

[timber depot]

the 3rd team was the leftovers

reason we changed teams b4 was bc same guy was beating me, and hes still beating these 3 bc I assume winning against cinderella team

[tropic summit]

can you show me your box?

[timber depot]

Ill post a pic of my invest aswell in a sec

[timber depot]

These teams work on everyone except one guy so far

[livid prairie]

instead of the cindy team

[brazen pilot]

feeling like im messing up some teams in my attempt to remove sanis

[lunar pawn]

t3 and t4 not looking good

t2 slap 1 more cube in and it's 2RL

[tropic summit]

hmm decent but add a bay or a noah instead of biscuit

[brazen pilot]

out of room for quantum 😭

[haughty mortar]

What beats this in rookie?

[brazen pilot]

could remove libarios and give it to noah instead of tempering

[lunar pawn]

do you even have those CS lines in t3?

[tropic summit]

T1 ok
T2 add quantum to become natural 2RL
T3 vestiTU needs to be in p2 to get indom, rumani can be in p5
T4 scrap this team
T5 ok

[tropic summit]

indom 2RL, post your box

[tropic summit]

yeah i see now why you struggling, this is a bit of an hell

[timber depot]

🥹

[tropic summit]

you can make fast teams but they'll nuke CP... while you can make good CP teams but they'll nuke speed

[livid prairie]

so it would look like this ?

[tropic summit]

where's vestiTU btw?

[livid prairie]

no vesti and no emilia

[timber depot]

As long as a team has 2 units Im planning to invest I can make them around 175k cp. My invested units end up around 55-65k cp at my sync, while 4/4/4 no t9m ends around 22k

the issue with a scar team is that scar isnt really worth investing for a while for pve

[tropic summit]

post this matchup and let's check CP

[brazen pilot]

what do you recommend for T4? only unit im missing is emilia 🙏

[tropic summit]

as main B3 aim for vestiTU, the others can be lib and helmT, while RRH situationally on attack

[radiant coral]

Does anyone know if liberalio is good for bursting in CA?

[tropic summit]

slow cindy or a 2.5RL stall with noise and bay

[timber depot]

Yeah I was planning on vestiTU, Cinderella and Lib as main b3's, and then CP pad them with campaign units and aim for 3RL

once Cinderella is 4OL i was planning Liberalio next

[tropic summit]

kind of a waste being 98% to 2RL... could switch up noise with moran and balance T2 to get still to be 2RL with lib instead of ada

[brazen pilot]

not sure how to get it to 2.5 with the current spread of units

[timber depot]

On these, is it fine to just swap Moran w/ Rapunzel. I dont expect to win I just wanted to not click auto mostly

If I win even 1 match its a blessing 🙏

[tropic summit]

what's enemy team CP

[silent torrent]

how much investment do arena units tend to need? is it like eveywhere else where I need like a 10x3 noah for her to work? Ive never paid much attention to arena but I have some small amount of resources I could use on some units

[placid bloom]

arena units can be as little as 1/1/1 if you don't have CP issues

[silent torrent]

I suppose a better way to ask is what impacts the performance of a unit in pvp? how much do dolls matter etc

[silent torrent]

oh fr?

[placid bloom]

of course having OL and doll help with survivability, and having charge speed lines on your batteries makes your teams faster

but functionally a 1/1/1 Noah can do the same job as a 10/10/10 if you actually get to burst

[silent torrent]

so its all about getting to the burst first?

[haughty mortar]

And how TF is he CP Padding so hard?

[placid bloom]

there is matchups, speed, and some unique kits you need to learn, but most matches can be decided by speed

[tropic summit]

check CP with this

[placid bloom]

once people have equal speed then you need to learn matchups

[silent torrent]

are the prydwen guides on arena any good as a starting point?

[placid bloom]

there's a couple of exceptions now, some slower teams have enough survivability and damage to reverse wipe you even if you are faster

[tropic summit]

enemy teams are tailored based on what they run, even swapping moran with rapunzel it's way too situational

[placid bloom]

like Nayuta

[silent torrent]

I see

[placid bloom]

there's a bunch of guides in the pins on how burst generation work, that's probably where you want to start

[tropic summit]

check the introduction to pvp ones here, #pvp-arena message

[placid bloom]

you can also look at the example teams, those are in pins too

but you want to understand burst generation if you want to start experimenting with your own brews

[silent torrent]

I'll give it a try and make something more decent, ty

[tropic summit]

you need 570k, you're still gapped, give up and fight someone else, those are most of your well built units

[ruby iris]

This shows 84.14% with no CS rolls and 100.94% with cs rolls. If I have 14.44% CS will I still get 2.5RL?

[haughty mortar]

Which cubes should I use?

[tropic summit]

jackal quantum anyone else run highest lvl cube available

if you get past 570k then run it

[placid bloom]

you'll be between 2.5-3, maybe like 2.6