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@tropic summiti attacked JN 16h before season ends and looks like nobody attacked him since shuffle and got confident and never checked sp the whole day now i start at C1
now he just gotta gem once more than you do
im just gonna use the free ones, the only boi who was attacking me gave up on me like 10 days ago and he went for C4 instead
but JN is close to 621 boost, he gonna talk with wallet kun
you still have free ones? 
hahaha, the free tokens were used same week i think
those were rainy days
yeah haaha
today you're out of a job @umbral crown
can't touch arena for 24hrs, how do you even feel 
maybe time to do your campaign?


i kinda did
oh wut
40-25 normal
you actually did 
1 step closer to pve main
2 more levels for 461 boost
today i got S7 kraken for the first time but guess what
0 rocks
you should be more surprised when kraken actually gives rocks
0 rocks common practice 
indeed
I got zero rocks today 
I got 6 rocks today but i performed a magic trick with him and they all disappeared

dissapeared into black line hit rate?
imagine
What if hitrate secretly increased the rng odds of things like scar s2
I tried to use this team to counter but it didnβt work. Any suggestions?
What can work against this team in Rookie?
Noah biscuit besti helm jackal
Noise noah biscuit vesti/sanis rumani
Emilia can replace Vesti?
0+1 for me today
And last day for 5x5 I got 2+1
But I wanted to avoid getting a rock until the end, because I would get x2 if it was the last panel
BUT SHIFTY UP KNOWS WHEN TO HURT YOU

I basically had 3 panels left
And I got the rock on the first panel
ahhh that's just my top lane experience in league
5 people wants my ass and i can't run
secret whale tech π
So no one hit me back. 
@quick lake Rail mentioned you may have been working on a pvp/ca matrix? was this just a wild fevour dream I had lol

I can see why looks complicated haha
Can technically do it since we have the CA data. Just alot of teams of go through 
CA I think in general should make it a bit easier if looking at current meta teams people run
Hmm the JP CA site actually does this. Can reference it
as probably only about 10 variations of teams are run, with some outliers
So it seems 13b not safe
I think I won't be able to recover from this. 
Darn I sure wish I reset. Naga before...
What's the use for her. 

I was about to reset Naga and Mana but I miscounted the day.... Guess I have to wait 6 months for the next reset. This game suck. 
2nd in SEA currently is using Mana. So maybe I could use her for this raid. But max out Mana mean she is bricked to be dispelled by Rossanna in arena for another god-damned 6 months. 
And I haven't use Naga for a year. I upgraded her for mother whale but ended up not using her at all. Both Mother whale in museum and SR.

I used her for kraken kill
She has 3atk rolls so regardless what I do sheβs gonna get targeted
Smol Asuka. 
This queen has a core... Guess Naga finally had her use 
What naga
Even Maxwell is used. 
Look at dis guyβs op units with more than 2 ele roll
Wow blood u max core everything and you call me a whale?

siren is in p5, you can run safely noah in p2-p3-p4-p5 and you need a DPS that can hit p3
that said, for example
noise noah vestiTU helmT jackal
That's not me. 
I sure hope 10-11b enough for 10%.
it's scarlet essentially without buffs and they made sure to let you be able to even hit link in p1
all you need is a regular DPS unit with a noah biscuit stall to survive scarlet harmlessly
E.g.
noah biscuit vestiTU helmt jackal, you will out trade after 2RL noah shield expires on both sides
other examples with same archetypes, although less effective
noah biscuit rh helmt jackal
noah biscuit SBS helmt jackal
noah biscuit emilia helmt rh
noah biscuit alice helmt jackal
...
I guess I could do 12b this solo raid. But Idk if it's enough for 10%. 
9b is 6%is on global
I think
if noah her is linked would it be enough for her to burst before getting stunned by siren or just he have cs lines ?
Soon 10B will be 3%

if enemy runs siren in p1 or p2, you need that team to be 11%CS team wide
you can use this tool to find out:
https://nikke.work/
the team you make in there has to meet this requirement:
if noah B2 cast time is before the stun line you see there, you'll be fine
keep in mind that the team you're running is pretty bad, unbuffed scarlet just tickles the enemy, so you're very low on DPS
all other 4 units contribute very little damage as they're utilities
I am too 
I like it from a point of view of being able to send my teams and πΏ the results
but as a game format it doesn't really matter otherwise
not the team i am running, but thank you for the tool
his cp seemed kinda low so did not think he would have the cs needed
but well he has no doll + sr anis maybe that's the reason
Peaked PvP, Bricked PvE 
im 9.2B, right behind ya~
[Nikke] Solo Raid SEA S31 Queen 001 - 18 November 2025
Teams:
1 - Liter, SBS, Liberalio, Maid Mast, Maid Anchor
2 - Crown, Rapi Red Hood, Siren, Red Hood, Naga
3 - Tove, Blanc, Bunny Soda, Drake (Fav), Noir
4 - Volume, Trina, Scarlet, Mihara: BC, Helm (Fav)
5 - Cinderella, Rouge, Mana, Nayuta, Summer Anis
So OP TEAM DAMAGE Blood PVE MAIN NOW?
Bro stop flexing my f2p bricked account hurts mah heart
Verily im 9.6B dmg now, but 7.58%
To maximize GEM income better to prioritize pvp at first then Invest in PVE with Meta character if you can now at least Hold 1-3 or 4-7
I guess SEA server is harder
You'll be kicked out of 10%
Yup, I did that, I am rank 1 in SP, and contantly in CA
Xie xie ni
LOL! CARD-DO-Slash!!!
Credit card, verily
ζ¬’θΏ
SKYJLV is a good guide in youtube
Yup he is, I try to build my own team for solo raid. GuitarRock is not bad too
ya
PVE currently harder to master than pvp
also needs more rocks than pvp XD
really? I always thought its PvP
Is 777 eva collab enough for this SR?
I see many people using the wind element from collab
Nah top raiders in solo raid are insane man
but i never build any collab character
I also use pause scum as technique
Collab will return
after a year they said
I hope Emilia tan will return
you will have your chance
That's why you're so little dmg
That asuka wind apparently is sss tier
Sadge, I build liberalio and nayuta first
W Asuka is wind meta in solo raid yes
I never have the chance to build Wind Asuka, I focus on PvP
Verily
The winner beat me at Top 32
You need to focus 3 things in Nikke to not be bricked
come let me hear
1 PVP 2Hard Campaign 3Solo Raid (additional gem income)
Verily, bro I did thought in the same order too
basically = gem generator Level = generator gem additional generator
I already pushed my story mode to its furthest, CP too low to push for hard mode
U are right bro
You cannot hold SPA 1 if your hard campaign low
lots of people below me now about 40 levels
others that are lazy are like 100 levels
Verily sir!
they mostly just casualy tho, some are whales tho for the costumes
Solo raid is for frame not gems
still 50 level gap
its happening in my RA
hmmm Im 19b right now I think it's 1800gems right now? per month or something cause raid is 28 days I think
I wanted to show you, nobody is hitting me for months
but CA is different beast
my best run was Top 16 in CA
Bruh CA is 50% composition 50% RNG Roulette
Verily
sometimes tho people with high research level just outright 2 hits you
My Nayuta is lonely
I saw Keripo 2 hits with RL characters his opponent in C.A
Yea thats normal man if ur tryhard
mine is like same
IM 583 but stuck in ZIZ Hard C right now
Account level or Synchro level?
some crazy guy invested in ABSOLUTE overspec team and lowest in rankings clear
561 i think
Synchro
Oh, im 410 only
I thought he was trolling with this team until he beat me at Top 32
the recent data record says I started Nikke on 19th Sep 2024
HC really important than other rankings
thats really late
nice progress tho
I had an impression that I played Nikke when it first came out, but I think it was guest account or I quit
OverSpec = Vesti 50% TRUE DAMAGE ACTIVATED START OF TURN
SO She wipes characters instantly fast
I seeee
Bruh even moran could die so fast
Nobody does that in my CA, he is the only one that uses full absolute team, salute to him verily
I'am current experimenting in my C.A right now
I tried to do my own team comp, but it just didnt work out
ABSOLUTE TEAM
Killz ZIZ Hard campaign lower level
cause the eye balls are 1 damage if no true damage in deficit
lowest synch was 561 I thnk clear
most do 601
I like his this team, slow burst gen, remove mihara BC and blanc, and added siren and Nayuta
Nayuta lost her purpose on that team
I think that for Cindy slow burst
I like my nayuta bursting and dps XD
Satisfying to watch
Fr? I thought its kinda good because biscuit invul rumani, and nayuta is indom, so his team really wont die in 5-9 esc
opponent cant get pass the first two unit, so the remaining 3 are safe
That team good just that nayuta was for holding only for 9sec Cindy benefits the most
Man hard to test comps right now
top 1 C.A the pvp i have so peaceful
we top 3 same CP so no one wanna try hard
3k gems anyways 1-3
I hate smart people no WAR
My siren is built
you sure you wanna built Soda?
your siren btw 80+ Element now?
I am not sure, but that stun on 2 random unit is good
yea I got mine built
I guess you can just OL Her 1-1-1
Not yet bro
I really need to crystal my unit well
I spend all of them on my story mode team, Rapi red hood, red hood and helm
not bad also
top 2 Prio
44 atk high
but U need 80+ Ele or higher for her to be A monster in fire weak Hard campaign
Now that I look at it, yeah its blue
Vesti also really good at fire HC
I see many PvPer pair Soda with Scarlet and it works very well
B1 stun if it stuns Key bursters = insta win
rng is really good as it stuns 2 characters at random
40% chance to stun a key character
I've thought of the ultimate combo, soda + siren = 3 stun
XD
no burst gen then
in fact thats why pivaty was great at pvp during the first year
your using nikke deck right?
Ye
I even saved the deck of the winner
for reference
I have a similar team to his team 2
Kill B1 or B2 Fast then rossana activates
Theory is the same KILL B1 or B2 of enemy fast Rossana burst =2 dead before they burst
the RL doesn't matter much here as Rossana gets Burst gen whenever A NIKKE IS KILLED in Action
On paper your team should works, interesting team comp, I always thought rosanna should be at B4 or B5
It wipes the Team comp of my whale opponent by 55 levels
Tho cp is the same kek
he out levels me right now by 55 and still rising
how to fight peeps who are 60 synch lvl ahead with blue-black OL lines
Whale on levels
Returning player after 1 year, restart or keep?
you're pvp bricked in general for a year of being absent
regardless of what units you have
your opponents will be people of a similar account age to you, so a year headstart 

it depends what you want to do, you have some good units, you can just kind of forget pvp and pve instead
restart is an option depends how invested you are with the units you had. you kind of missed the best time to restart on nayuta + lib + anni stuff even π
holding for the past hour
How important is PvP, like are benefits of good PvP score better than what I have?
PvP is gem income
if you are decent, it's 2k gems every 2 weeks
if you are very good it's close to 3k gems every 2 weeks
if you are bad then it is 300 gems every 2 weeks 
think you're good there tbh for 0.5% if there is one for that?
my 2% looks very safe 1.4% odd
prob
what kuwon said basically, you'll always get something.
thing is being near the top requires you min/max well, and you don't take breaks. as f2p especially
f2p is hard to be at the top as people who spend can just win with π³
How much would I need to π³ to catch up lmao
like a lot lol
RIP as what EnredchedHippos said
Is it achievable in 500$ or nah, if not imma restart lmao
u do better to restart, spend 500 bucks, pull meta pilgrims obliterate your bracket and bully them till they accept their fate
u have couple hours before nayuta banner is gone tho
oh damn lol that is true
if you want to re-roll then getting early nayuta would be incredibly clutch
on a timer though 3 hours 15 left 
alt option is really that you just give up on being competitive in pvp and do what you can - at least you can freely take breaks or skip days then
if you re-roll and you don't keep on top of things you could wind up back in π§± situation anyway but you also miss your MLB red hood and such
redhood is also on a banner
for like 3 hours lol
that's not a hard thing to solve
I feel re-rolling for either is π§± now
why reroll
re-roll process is like 30 min minimum
u go in and trust the process
we don't all have this whale tech you have π
believe the universe deliverth
i never rerolled my account
first pilgrim rapunzel

you could just whale any pulls you wanted though :p
us mortals we have to be more careful
bro's gonna drop 500 bucks
is like 2 pulls
you don't get that much π
u buy all the event packs is like few hundred pulls
$20 pack is 20 pulls
every main event, so only 500 pulls for $500 equiv
for $500 I'd spend on the daily gems instead and maybe the resource pack for the cd crates
ur trying to stack so strong in that ur impossible to over come
you kind of need to with only $500 haha
some good units + ongoing shit is better than whaling for pulls and getting no ssr
I didn't spend anything at the start really just gradually grew into it 
tried to start with a good enough roll though
$500 gets like nothing in any gacha game 
you are getting more from the time you spend than $500
it's a long marathon
you need to buy a car to get a significant advantage
but bicycle is okay too 
I rolled 5 times to see what I got when I started and these were my 2 best ones
I went with the top one for RH + Cindy, but you can see the start of the pvp teams with rapu and biscuit also

the irony that they could run mirror you'd get deleted
whel strat= copy same team but with 27% deficit advantage


Couldn't get 12b because reiT team 200m lower than mock. Hope it holds. 
10% frame 
i have not went that route yet
blood re-roll to global soon join us with the non-bricked raids
Last 3 hours I'm probably down 2-3% but should 8-9% in the end. 
you'll be like a king here π
but every wind raid he wont have evangelion units
he will suffer every wind raid till thous gets power crept
he can just channel his inner NGE units
u mean rename himself toLCL?
5% is when the mald begins
I didn't even build Rei T though in hindsight I probably could have lol

nah @swift mango got many paths open still:
- tower main
- shooting range main
- surface content main
look at my Asuka dmg. 
you can be MoG main 
in building rei t i could made a 10/7/7 asuka instead with actually decent rolls instead of the 2 ele 2 atk shit i have kek
surface content main
this! 
what are you doing to the poor lass π
pretty sure Twitter already show us some people that play the event minigame more than the actual game 
oh he invested reiT for pvp, she was a decent nuke untill trina happened
so much time spent on the Suika game
I'm already bricked main. Can't take too much jobs. 
and the BAde one
was fun getting to run her for once
the worst one seems to be water dps :9
my sdoro still weaker than my qeq in water
I can't even run Wind union raid once because everyone hit it first. 
everyone will most certinally hit wind union raid first now
but now i go for hard mode stage 2 bosses
Stage 2 wind also got killed first. 
op union
my union can't kill any stage 2 bosses but we get to them π
same
Nah if I was in my old union section, they probably kill wind 3 first. But I would be last hit clean up role anyway so it doesn't matter. 
Too lazy to online 24/7 on weekend for that role so I quit
then its a u not doing raid at a proper time matter
Wheels
let's do some duet night abyss propaganda 
when are we getting this for nikke
Nah, low level guy need to stay online so if high level guy hit with 1-3b left you went in to clear up. That's their proper manner. 
my union's not good nuff for that yet
more propaganda 
That's how they keep some lower level guys without kicking them.
But I'm not hardcore enough
My current union fit me best. 
Some guys must be a pro to play the game 100% the time in this angle. 
we don't co-ordinate our hits at all and I think that is fine
people just hit whatever π
also one handed 
the other hand is busy multitasking
well diamond maybe don't care if everyone is fat enough
Some guys only do 1-2 hit per 2 Union raid even. 
More like few guys like @covert lintel carry the score. 
I'm trying to get everyone to hit 3 times and do all their tries at least
we had 31/32 attendance last time on all 3 tries
well they need people to clear level 1 HM first so they have fatter HP to hit
blabla report makes it so much easier to track
so if their union lazy to clear lv1 they can't carry
to track who to kick*



we've made good progress and I been helping some people with low scores improve stuff
mostly people not using resources etc

^ the help
My union don't really kick people. Unless they absolutely do nothing in Union raid. 
they're not bullies like this man here @hollow lagoon
Not if they don't chat and doesn't have Discord. 
poor lads just wanted to be useless, leech and get carried 
carry your union to challenger 
most are in discord, I'd like to enforce must be in discord but our highest scorer by far is not lol
i kick if they skipped or do afk tier damage yes
the funny thing is that i can for sure imagine there being a union that is run by 32 accounts of the same person
there has to be at least 1
only 70% of mine are in discord
we got one bro 30-40B every raid, not in discord π
I mean they got good score so I don't care that much
Tbf if they have high score and active in discord they don't join newbie union. 
some people maybe like to chill? they been here a while just carrying π
unfortunately my ass is on the top end of the damage of the union
some people do take break from hardcore union yes
well over a year I think
then there's unions like retro's, where they hardcore and require you to min/max damage else ban hammer arrives
but consistent
I'm moving up nicely in the UR also now, not top but in top 5-10 usually
There are older chill union like mine too. The guys who have high score either have discord and all joined from the begin. Or new guys that doesn't chat. 
I like my union though we have some banter in the discord, some good folk
one reason I won't leave for zanta union
i barely talk in our union discord, because i'm a shy and reserved individual
red railtracer though π
you can start with erp 

I deleted wrong message 





it was Blood
i can vouch for that

it was always blood
this booly

@hollow lagoon what other gachas you keeping up with beside nikke btw? 

NOTHING
NIKKE FOREVER
time to make me a cult where if u die u get all ur nikke waifus in valhalla
mmm bad call i wouldent want people kill their selves, so ill make self ending illegal
ok i see why self ending is illegal in religion now 
now he realises π
Hear me out, soline healing a 1hp nayuta
looks head pat worthy
anyway
she kinda seems sucky for everything
but shes a limited right? so gotta get her I suppose
no she is not
she will go to ordinary wishlist after her banner ends
I expect two actual limited units to follow her
it's a winter themed normal unit like we had ade and milk bunnies
@tropic summit why biscuit get dmg
that's a weird looking vesti you got there
just burst all 3 bursts with vesti
actually surely you can just put jackal at p5 and skip RH?
Privaty s1
sg and tove is high feed
If I had 3 more ammo, think I win?
I would die
Jackal can't tank deficit, you will die through links
No, your dmg will still 1
Nah this aint winnable at my deficit, maybe if I was only 30%
it's clear the best way to win is to find the whel in real life and make them stop playing

actually you're not absolutely miles off but yeah too much deficit lmao
Im impressed vesti is able to do that much dmg lmao
good ol vesti
Whalers tend to get motivated when you're actively attacking
Well tbf hes not a whale
so you're saying he may have awoken the whel?
Hes a leviathan
he'll be +10 sync tomorrow dw
This guy attacks me 5 times a day brother
trick then is to attack them 5 times a day until you're more than 200 points below them π
unlucky 

My defense works against the 2nd whale, and the 3rd whale is my homeboy
Im using rookie as a way to test if I can beat him in spa
I can beat 1 team, I just need a 2nd
When you climb to rank 2 then of course he is
Cause any other below rank 2 has less point
Im not rank 2
rank 2-3 has same point
Im not even rank 3 some days
This guy has hit me when I was rank 8
it's like 20 voucher a day diff
they just like you that much
Lmao
He sent a message for you
"Come attack me bro"

and it worked π
Im probably the only guy that attacks him
Looks like youre in deficit
What. Somehow Biscuit is their highest attack
Regardless, my biscuit dies before she can do the second Invuln
And I don't think my EMI can one shot kill
Yeah, I'll always be in deficit against this guy
My Helm burst didn't even kill their Biscuit

Well you are running no buff tbf
Swap siren for rh and burst emi
See how that goes
It goes poorly. That's what I started with
The shuffle didnt get rid of him π
or was there even a shuffle, is that only monthly, I see mostly same names if not all same
my union mate 
my bad for helping him with pvp 
thx for the 4 rocks today @umbral belfry
gimme
Hello, new season opened and I need 3 new sp arena team
Things got serious after a long time so my CP paddings teams doesnt work anymore 
Ask him to stop harassing me π

I've just picked up Jackal which team should I try squeeze her into?
Cook v this team?
the 800k bait comp lel
Have all units
shoot him in the knee

Rookie and Special Arena teams please. Thank you.
Welp, it's that time of month again...not that kind of time...have to get some League teams together after the update :p
leaves some Biscuits and Milk for the cooking team so they're nice and stronk tomorrow
How could I improve these teams for champion arena? I managed to squeeze in
I got everyone besides Emilia (+ uninvested Rapunzel and XAnne)
I know I should try to add liberalio and Vesti but I don't know where
Maybe nayuta too
I'm using these teams in SA so maybe I could use vesti in T1(?)
@shell hazel @tropic summit our good friend returns not only on tower 730 but also 880

also nayuta makes this fight a joke
literally the only part that matters is the crown stack counting now
Crown timing doesn't even need to be accurate, even if Crown dies you still have B2 to finish the fight 
it's actually braindead
@tropic summit Welp, this is what hes trying now
Ur right 
need advice on countering this basic sanis team at high deficit
Idk if Rosanna can lethal at deficit
any Blanc team should work though
I'd probably do Vesti Ada
Jackal blanc biscuit vesti helm
Biscuit is option too
will probably need her since deficit
yeah rosanna wont lethal, ill give the others a go though
Helm should not be p5, you're taking SAnis shotgun damage
Blanc Vesti Helm Biscuit Jackal. You don't need p1 to get feed because you're getting it from p5
freakin magic, thank you
where can i find a list of pvp teams to set and forget?
So does anyone know if we can get lib to shoot twice in 2rl time frame yet?
no, impossible even with 26% cs
she is alice charge speed of 1.5s, if alice cannot she cannot too
Oh that's a shame
is it better to have redhood burst or sbs?

I deleted it because it worked and I dont want spies in here

@tropic summit I got a recording to show you 
gimme

Can anyone please help me make SP arena teams? Iβm only missing the new vesti π’
Very noob and my scarlet is lower cp than the other dps
oke send in DM
as zant mentioned, it's pmaid
you mean he misclicked

do i win this?
phoric u better not be testing trio
emma already got her sr15 doll 
oh my GODDDD phoric

SP arena
- nayuta helmt rh laplaceT centi
- jackal siren scalret trina noir
- rumani noah lib biscuit emilia
enemy siren is in p2, your noah is stunned regardless of where she is placed as you'll be taunting her
yeah i lost
you need a noise to taunt siren instead of your noah on lower CS% than noah
or
you need a team with bay
or
you need to run an indom
I think I need to let Caius hit me first so he doesn't have a free target while I'm sitting in 2nd
ok I also chopped my def in half so maybe he'll go after mine
just ping me if something happens
no kuwon don't do it!
dont listen to her kuwon

she doesnt want me to live out my dreams
im trying to save phoric from trying a team without a key unit 
Emma solo tech? 
what if I said that I was testing 2rl nayuta π€

nah but no one like absolute
they use math and stuff
they is just you 
but I dumb
his team was 3rl and mine 2 so i thought id burst before he could
I think in like 1-2 more month I can't hold 3rd anymore anyway
I can slack in 4th
finally don't need to check game for attack anymore 
retired kuwon 
4th is still CA 
unless I invest in PvP unit again but my rock has made me very disappointed lately
not with RH tho, if your intention was sniping scarlet/lib you needed to burst with helmT instead
all atk tho 
no
ammo, crit rate, crit dmg 
I'm too lazy to even fix at this point tbh
she has lower CP than my Centi, and my Centi's doll is SR0

u can get away with low cs on her for pvp at least
unless u go for 4 atk/ele too then its a nightmare
just like helm
I just need CP in general, I'm already like 14% deficit against Caius when attacking 
it will probably be actual deficit soon 
lemme in your sp i'll help 
yes.


we should join Radeki and cup's SPA, then we can all sit in 5-10 
ace's is also full of whales
might as well add DPX

and Shiro
if i joined ace's i'll be in 2nd 
top 10 all sync 600+ 
i'm almost at 3m total with my current teams
deserved for not running absolute
but if i wanted to say screw it and cp gap i'd break it

why does everyone think ace quit π
Idk 
oh okay
he was just in top 8!
retired from pvp 
retired accounts can make top 8
i still remember the day i saw kuwon in pools
even if cup and radeki retired they whoop us
and he should've won but he goofed up 
me unlucky, I didn't play around stronk Ros 

the only unit anyone has invested on the sg team in baby bracket is rosa lmao
my PvP invest is too bad now
none of them have relevant stats
I spent too much on PvE 
im a no nitro peasant so I have to send here lol
pve g o o n
Any suggestions? Their blanc keeps targeting their vesti
I wonder whether having must-win team but other teams' win rate being lower is good choice or not.
For example,
team 1 80% win rate
team 2 40% win rate
team 3 60% win rate
to
team 1 40% win rate
team 2 100% win rate
team 3 50% winrate.
I saw someone mention that ada may let me win if I replace redhood, what do you think?
If you saw the vesti indom result
you can get rid of blanc, she's in p2, open to a lot of sources of damage
assuming your scarlet and vesti are linked here, this could work
you can add further pressure, assuming scarlet stays linked with laplace present:
2 heavy splashers + scarlet s2 will very likely delete blanc pre 2RL
the probably safest approach if you got rosanna additionally built
vestiTU laplaceT centi rosanna jackal
this will achieve:
- blanc being dead
- vesti and helmt are lethaled by vesti + rosanna, they cannot nuke you
- they're forced into bursting with RH, which can no longer be lethal on nuke and needs time, you will finish her off
another alternative, you can play the long game and stall vestiTU out with noah on 2 stacks of biscuit
this team will essentially have your vestiTU delete p1 p2, get stuck hitting p3 which still splashes to p4 and p5, it will be enemy vestiTU on indom left, while you're on noah, biscuit and vestiTU
wow... triple win with that CP gapping is remarkable, good job
you cooked 
it is at the end of the day just RNG
if you bet on 3 teams instead of 4 or 5 being competent, you only need 1 bad matchup to be out
on the other hand, at least those teams will be less likely to fail you, but the chance is still there
from my experience, consolidating into 3 teams over 4 or 5 has earned me overall better placement, but it still needs luck of the draw
Thanks so much so no need for quantum cube on any of these units?
ikr
also I deleted it just in case
Could anyone help me for the next champion? I'll try my best to win it once since I might not be able to reenter it 
that was a fun watch still
yes on the jackal team all the batteries, on the nayuta team only centi needed to hit 2RL
I appreciate this insight. but I don't have VestiTU
Nice ok and the Noah team no need for batteries?
Can someone Help me wiht making a good PVP Team? (I got Liberalio and Nayuta too)
It took me like an hour of thinking how and looking back at stuff to figure it out
@tropic summit Any upgrades you see I can make to my PVP Arena teams these are my current 3 teams
SP arena
- jackal SBS blanc centi maiden (maiden vigor cube, ensure she has higher HP than SBS)
- naga trina cindy noir rapunzel
- bsoda alice blanc anis RH
Notes and wishlist/build
- get helm treasured asap
- get laplace treasured once possible
- noah, biscuit, scarlet, vestiTU in wishlist asap
centi quantum
jackal quantum
trina quantum
noir optional quantum
noah is natural 2RL, no need, give noah temperance
Thanks so much youβre the best
I have Laplace and Noah i can upgrade them
SP arena
- jackal siren scarlet trina lib
- noise noah cindy helmt rumani
- nayuta centi vestiTU RH drakeT
Notes
- improve CP on some of your utilities, centi, rapunzel
- get fully built core pvp units like vestiTU and jackal
- consider treasuring laplace
bring them up to speed and can be used to strengthen your teams
- noah 4/4/4 SR5 4OL minimun, can check recommended build on prydwen
- laplace treasured, can check recommended build on prydwen
when posting a matchup and asking for help beating it, if you don't have pvp core units, post your box so we can tailor it to what you've, if it's doable at least
Scarlet is not linked with Jackal
where do i put laplace and noah in?
yep looks good, run them
Under lib aren't very built
Special Arena team please.
Anything except Auto.
Scarlet is not linked to Jackal
T3 needs them the most, although T2 could also do
go with T3 and turn it into
bsoda alice laplaceT noah RH
yes Ty!
that's fine, won't need to
as long as your scarlet and trina are built, you should still be lethal on siren biscuit emi and rapunzel
Trina is 4 7 7, Scarlet is 10 7 10 with 11% attack...
SP arena
- naga grave cindy anis liter
- nayuta bsoda drake viper rh
you're lacking most of the pvp core units, i'll list them so you can consider wishlisting them, keep in mind at your synchro pve remains your priority
wishlist:
- noah, biscuit, jackal, vestiTU, trina, rumani, centi, helm (treasure), noise, scarlet
bring trina to 4 7 10, scarlet is fine minus the atk%, would be nice having her to 30-40atk% to ensure lethal on SR15 units
Yeesh. Thank you.
I think I managed
Drake Vesti Blanc Laplace Jackal
against the team
i can see that working, vesti would kill p2 and p3, they cannot revive or B3, you'll eventually outstall them
not the way i'd go but it's an option if you got nothing else
Yeah, don't have a lot of rocks to spare on PvP π
If by fully built you mean Full OL Gear on Jackal and VestiTU I do
fully built would be
3 OLs per equipment piece
SR15
recommended skill levels
Recommended skill levels as per Prydwen I assume?
ye can refer to that in general
Vesti goes before b1
I guess it works if I kill Rapu with Vesti
try and prefer bursting with vestiTU over drake
Siren's stun makes sure of that
yes you need to prevent them reviving emilia
I guess it would be safer to put Jackal first then Vesti
I have a question, I want to get a black ammo line for my Vesti, 85.37% of 8 is 6.8, what is the final ammo? 15 or 14?
since you're going for your own indom put any linked units behind the indom unit, that way you can have more units alive during the indom tradeoff
I don't understand
your indom unit can be your pseudo tank
enemy is stuck shooting the indom unit
if your indom unit is in p1, if opponent has no class or skill left to hit other positions, they can only keep shooting p1
that way the rest of your team can take no damage = out trade
viceversa, if your indom unit is say in p4 or p5
they can keep killing p1, p2, p3... until reaching indom unit
Somewhat difficult to do that with siren
siren is actually a sub dps and they'll be on blanc and siren buff
i wouldn't understimate it, but up to you
I mean that my indom is Vesti, and I want her to burst
if vesti is in p2 and she's indommed, you'll be fine
opponent cannot reach p3 or p4 or p5 at that point
Okay
anyone got answers for new slow cindy and/or non-indom vestiTU? no collab characters. hard to not trigger biscuiting rumani allowing for at least a nayuta burst.
maybe biscuiting the vesti on s1 s2 + noah to avoid splash?
what is noah doing there?
that team is not a slow cindy btw
you need a lethal nuke
Does this require no Jackal?
lethal nuking a noah team isn't exactly easy
to deal with the above
- scar blanc rh noir jackal
- scar trina rh flex jackal
- noah bis lib rh jackal
- vestiTU blanc rh flex jackal
the 4th option is risky as you could pop cindy invul, so prefer the top 3
the whole point is to 1hitko cindy before biscuit can apply stack on her
having an indom of your own will ensure you don't die to nayuta
im assuming you mean against the cindy team. i'm looking to defeat either, but an answer to both would be preferable, even if they repeat units.
i see the scarlet blanc being a useful counter to stalling out nayuta and should deal enough dmg to kill in case rumani gets biscuit
oh oke that wasn't clear, so that's a matchup and 2 enemy teams
got it now
yeah, i could have improved my wording. i'm seeing these two teams quite a bit in my ladder
these are the teams i'd use
the other common team im seeing paired with is quick scarlet - many counters already known
T1
they're running slow cindy with DoT pressure, you only need a unit that can 1hitko to ensure cindy is dead which prevents most of their damage
afterward they'll be bursting very late with nayuta, a team on noise and noah DR will likely buy you enough time to outlive it
T2
the vestiTU team of the enemy is essentially a pseudo glass cannon, noah lacking biscuit can only buy them time shortly, any hard carry indom unit will kill them during their 10s indom
lapT s3 - assuming we're not at all worried about getting splashed out. CP isnt an issue, and no major ele advs. sounds good to me
in other words lib team with sort of sustain and indom vesti onto the not indom vesti?
there would be another very roundaround option, it would be a T1 on same speed but with mainly snipers
my worry is always whether or not noise will provide enough HP for an indom vesti to not kill
that way you force mihara burst while you chip away from p5
yeah, i was thinking of doing something similar, but w/ the hope that snipers would kill out biscuit allowing a nuke to wipe
the choice of laplace isn't random, noise takes heavy ele dmg from laplace, combined with vesti early dmg, she'll be very low hp
in fact chances are noise and noah are both near death
as soon as shield dies off from the enemy, you'll likely 1 hitko p1 p2 p3, afterward it takes 2 barrages to finish off laplace and centi
best team i can make for pbp?
nayuta naga lib rh trina
2 more for SPA?
You might be able to make a some what decent second for SPA but a third will probably just be trash no matter what
Maybe rail will come up with something
ya i figured
SP arena
- nayuta naga drake anis rapunzel
- anchorIM trina lib raven rh
- auto
as I thought, a third is auto 
Lit thanks
I didn't expect to squeeze a 3RL but this actually works lmao
the CP gonna be utter garbo tho, better just auto it
true
However at that sync I think most people will have trash teams anyway so maybe he gets away with it
ppl at that sync will throw their auto teams at that and win out of CP
yeah that can happen too
at that point he might aswell just put a defender in p1 and run biscuit p4
rest any CP flex leftovers
@acoustic light I forgot there is maintenance, no wonder he is not attacking
better to put your team back tbh, you might get knocked down too far if you wait for morning
ye that's not bad as 3rd team, although those are the best flex he got?
ah its ok I should be up early have to study 
yuni is the only SSR defender he has to put there
whats the worse that can happen
Idk 
wakes up in d3 π
tbh our bracket kinda don't attack often from what I can tell
I don't see a lot of movement in the rank
it's really just me and Caius fighting 
@night patrol Can run this for a third
the rest just sitting there and getting their gem
can rebalance with this then
oh
soon u too will make up and be friends
raven can be reused, n102 can be used, biscuit and yuni can stay, sugar can be clip SG burst gen
slightly better CP distribution at the cost of 0.5 speed

@night patrol nvm you can do this for 3 teams 
it would too boring to not attack anyone at all
agreed and kun needs more interesting teams


good suggestions. i won my match, but did not win my vesti indom matchup. the centi was still left standing at the end. may need to go from 4/7/10 to 4/10/10 to squeeze out the last dps.
you could run neon instead of n102 to make it 3.5
not sure if thats better or not though
situational, but ye lose an atk% B1 buff for a 0.5 burst gen
either dmg or ammo, if she's not on x2 ammo fix that first
vestiTU indom loves x2 ammo lines
what's the %
I feel like he buys pulls too, he actually has so much pilgrim dupe 
i'm assuming ~50?
60% on both OL should be enough
or maybe my pilgrim luck just ass 
@tropic summit do we have a libe cook with high win rate?
for CA you mean?
Yeah or just sp in general
What are the cs breakpoints for lib again?
she works against any team that does not have noah on same speed or 1RL slower (needs 1.5RL difference)
she can 1hitko slow cindy team
she can be used as flex battery for scar-siren teams
she needs to be used behind noah or indom
i think there are in most of those cases better units, especially on def anyway
she's powerful on attack
I know lib wants 5% cs but idk what the other ones are
At this rate it looking like I'll have an easy 15-18% lib
Oh, i see. Will keep that in mind
Will try to cook something with her
just don't bother on def, she's too slow 
as flex she's kinda mid too, as long as you don't lack vestiTU/laplaceT
Thanks
i wonder who's fault is that
you bullied them all to hell 
Maybe but i do not think i did
@umbral crown if you ever get too desperate, lower the difficulty of your teams on purpose
my union's no noah copium is going i suppose


But but , i kinda did
Nothing too hard to beat
then they be slackin'
Even my sync is 459 while the rest is 481+
how do i deal with this team?
noah block it then out dmg it
Try moran noah vesti helm ada
so like vesti or something
My bois have investment issues
DPS noah-biscuit archetype or stall teams
a few examples:
- noah biscuit rh helmt jackal
- noah biscuit SBS helmt jackal
- noah biscuit RRH helmt jackal
- noah biscuit vestiTU helmt noise/jackal
- moran rumani vestiTU helmt noah
Or u can do noah biscuit emi rh helm
seb suggestions are also fine, the ada team needs vestiTU on 8%CS
If you can't win at first try and use gems that means it's hard
1st team worked perfectly tqvm

or it means you're running the wrong teams 
But starf just tried once
show your current 3 def teams 

so we can judge if they're really "easy" 

let me.log

on a related note, i didn't know RRH was usable in PVP, TIL.
inb4 all c7 defense teams π
situationally yes, although she feeds and takes time to land her DPS, but one of the few units that can hit the whole team
Does maintenance start in an hour?




