pvp-arena

[tropic summit]

probably got an ein there

[marble saddle]

never touched her cause i beat MC before i got her

[tropic summit]

keep lib in that case, if she's 7/7/10 20% atk that's lethal alright

[rich ledge]

@tropic summit there's slightly not enough time I think

[tropic summit]

hmm it's fine, they're glass cannon anyway

[tropic summit]

your ammo

is she not on x2 ammo?

[marble saddle]

if you say so. personally i wouldnt have used lib but then again i aint a pvp specialist

[tropic summit]

it's fine you'll wipe, T3 is the least of your concerns

it's T1 that will be popcorn but only if they put effort in moran

@marble saddle p.s. im assuming both teams are non in deficit, i leave that to you

[marble saddle]

idk about using noah on siren team since my Noah tends to attract siren for some reason other than taunt

[tropic summit]

no your noah is absolutely safe

siren in p1 or p2 can be taunted by noah, which can make your noah siren weak if it's a noah taunt priority or you're not on 11CS% team wide

siren in p3 or p4 or p5 cannot hit noah unless noah is in p1

as siren default shoot position is p1 unless taunted

[marble saddle]

yes all 3 of my teams are surplus to his cp

so no worries there

k going

[tropic summit]

don't forget to record, T1 might get interesting

[clear depot]

If I want to run a Noise+Noah team, how much charge speed should have each if I want opponent's mermaid to stun Noise instead of Noah? 🤔

[marble saddle]

you wont believe what happened

[tropic summit]

first of all enemy siren needs to be p1 or p2
second you need at least 4%CS difference between noise and noah, noah should be faster

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/im-ready-lets-go-jog-excited-kanna-kamui-gif-14525315

[marble saddle]

somehow i won all 3 without trying for all 3

[tropic summit]

you gapped him?

[marble saddle]

just take a look

[tropic summit]

it's buffering cuz discord sux

lmao moran diffed

[marble saddle]

all those rocks in moran werent a waste

[clear depot]

Aha so it's not just CS but also a thing with the placement of Nikkes, got it! Thank you 😁

[rich ledge]

No haven't got rocks to roll 😞

[tropic summit]

you can see his moran isn't invested the moment you can still drop her after you're out of indom

good thing i guess cuz else it woulda been true 🍿

[marble saddle]

and you did say a vesti without ammo would not get a moran killed

[tropic summit]

yeah she needs to kill her within indom timeframe

else the DR is gonna screw her over

[tropic summit]

get her some ammo to that poor thing and that match is yours

[marble saddle]

well guess i should wait for reset before i change my def teams

[rich ledge]

Haha I'll need to wait for it then

[tropic summit]

ye if siren isn't p1 or p2, she can only stun p1, at that point you can just put any unit you don't care about in p1 to get stunned or any B1 on 2RL to be immune
if siren is in p1 or p2, and you want to run noah, then your options are:

• noise taunt priority
• team is 11%CS team wide (mandatory 2RL)

[timber depot]

bro the only guy thats beaten my teams is spending gems now 😭

idk what he did to beat the newest teams but I need to beef up my 3rd team since its just a free win for enemy

[tropic summit]

get rank 2 or rank 3

[timber depot]

I probably should yeah

[tropic summit]

fighting gemmers is pointless

[timber depot]

i cant tell if hes spending now other than obviously gemming, but hes been catching up on CP

my teams are 215, 188, 135, the 135 team needs to get juiced up significantly

im investing in its b3s just due to being good for pve stuff so itll go up but its a big weakpoint

[tropic summit]

don't brick yourself for the sake of pvp, if you can hold ch2 or ch3 just fine, you don't need to do anything yet

[timber depot]

last rotation I was in rank 2 and nobody ever bothered challenging me and just fought over rank 1, so next time i go down maybe ill swap to 2

[tropic summit]

if you start to drop from ch1-ch3, then it might be worth upgrading

[timber depot]

definitely not, ive only been giving it spare dolls and leveling pvp skills to 4

I think biggest brick is maybe getting some r dolls to r5 or r10 but for the most part its units ill want at r15 anyways so i dont feel bad about it

im just gonna bully him in rookie arena as revenge tbh

[tropic summit]

@timber depot if noone hits you from ch2 once you switch, you can reclaim ch1 near reset

then keep repeating to get him to waste gems to retain ch1

[timber depot]

nobody else has been able to beat the teams, I think this guys just heavily focusing pvp units so eventually hes going to take my spot and I wont be able to win

but ill steal some gems from him atleast 😍

if I was him id think this Brenan guy is perma on nikke bc I check on arena every few hours and everytime its been when he challenged me within the last 5min 🙏, this one just now he had challenged me in the last 2min, held ch1 for 60s 🔥

worth the 100 gems

[tropic summit]

he'll be fine, he can always hit ch2 or ch3 instead

[timber depot]

ch1 definitely just makes me a target so im gonna swap to ch2 like you said and let people fight over it

[tropic summit]

ye sounds good

[keen vapor]

Wym pointless, I have the joy of seeing them wasting gems
-# ↑ doesn't has the patience to include new variations with brick Rosanna

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/terketburayı-eat-chew-anime-eating-gif-17674343

[keen vapor]

Ñom.... Ñom..... Ñom

[timber depot]

it gives a sense of pride and accomplishment taking money from other people

those gems could have been a liberalio dupe, but now he'll never know smh

[slate falcon]

I feel targeted idk why

[tropic summit]

probably just a coincidence

[leaden canyon]

Btw helm and rosanna are linked, thats fine right?

[tropic summit]

rosanna is a must, helm is healthy being linked, we need p4 and p5 to stay alive

essentially, nayuta can die after 9s, vesti needs to stay alive, jackal can die if link dies

you're killing noah via nayuta and rosanna

[leaden canyon]

k

[tropic summit]

the alternative would be having vesti in p2 but let's see how this folds

[leaden canyon]

well 1 minute till we see what happens

get popcorn ready

[tropic summit]

🍿

you should promote to 2RL via splash, only need 1.5%

meaning you're on B3 when they're on B1

rosanna + nayuta should be lethal on noah

[tropic summit]

lmao that DoT is hilarious

we need to blanc this afterall

[leaden canyon]

I mean cant we just taunt the dot like how I lost in CA

[tropic summit]

ye that's an option

[leaden canyon]

idk which version is safer

[tropic summit]

i'd go with this

i guess you could sub RH for either noise or rapunzel

lib is probably lethal on blanc buff alone too

[leaden canyon]

also why did blanc get biscuit proc

[tropic summit]

splash from emi

[leaden canyon]

should I do rumani instead

[tropic summit]

could also remove emi to reduce splash

[leaden canyon]

I mean the old team but without emilia splash would probably work

[tropic summit]

i forgot you're no longer CP gapped can run anythin' there

keep in mind there's no jackal you need something to survive in p1

this has probably little enough splash to not procc blanc

or if we going the "do not get blanc invulnerable" route completely, remove all splashers

[strange linden]

I saw no one using Nero anymore in CA, is she not good now?

[tropic summit]

i'd still rather go sustain route tho

[tropic summit]

her counters increased, that's why

[leaden canyon]

Yet my nero team wont every battle

Granted thats because I giga invested it

and also it was 3RL

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon probably final draft, only 2 splash, heavy sustain

[leaden canyon]

k

[quartz rover]

What the HELL bro

Why the hell did rh get it

Turns out my vesti is not linked

Running all of them bc of deficit

go to 9th place lil pup

Now they know how it feels to go from 3rd to 9th too

How did this work

[slate falcon]

Idom VestiTu in her natural habitat

[quartz rover]

So you're telling me vesti doesnt even need a buffer

She can just shred anything

[fast nest]

[placid bloom]

you just need good OL

[quartz rover]

I only have one atk ol

But a few speed and charge damage

And ele ofc

[gritty ridge]

Does sbs have any arena use anymore?

[placid bloom]

your Rumani placement also dangerous, their team has a lot of single target damage but against team with high splash damage to p2 she can actually take more damage than your linked HP units and take indom

[tropic summit]

ofc, indom SBS is fine if no biscuit present

[gritty ridge]

Yeah but i have a really good vesti now

[placid bloom]

SBS can be filler burst gen if you need to CP pad

that's her only use

[tropic summit]

good for you, you can use vesti against 1 team and indom against another

[gritty ridge]

[placid bloom]

Rapi is stronger indom if you're attacking but you can SBS on Def I guess

[tropic summit]

vestiTU is fine behind noah or bay aswell as indommed

[gritty ridge]

Im asking cuz she is usable now

[tropic summit]

but what about your bready

[gritty ridge]

Campaign queen

Im in water weak chapters brother

[quartz rover]

I didnt wanna put blanc in p2 and have her get ate

[placid bloom]

though it's kinda hard to get 2RL indom on SBS, so you can basically expect her to lose

not worth taking resource away from other team to make her team faster when she is falling out of meta

[tropic summit]

well people who grew up with vestiTU won't even realize how vital SBS was back when emilia wasn't released yet

[gritty ridge]

I grew up before vesti without sbs

[placid bloom]

I mean I used her the most, but she really cannot deal with modern team

not enough damage and bad element

and mediocre burst gen

[tropic summit]

she's definitely situationally weaker, but she still can be used

assuming whoever it is doesn't have better options it still allows for an easy to achieve indom team

[placid bloom]

even Lib better I think

[tropic summit]

depends on who you facing

heavy sustain can still be wiped by SBS via distributed dmg as long as biscuit isn't c0ckblocking

[gritty ridge]

Well once I get sbs like 4 ele 2 atk ish im dumping rocks to get lib to 4 ele 4 atk

[placid bloom]

maybe SBS Ada Blanc RH Jackal (Ada + SBS linked) has enough damage to take down Nero Moran

triple buffed SBS

[tropic summit]

wows

hyperbufferoni

[placid bloom]

rely on SMG + MG feed to be fast enough

dead to everyone else

[gritty ridge]

Heheh

[placid bloom]

no Ada no Lib on work make this so sus

[tropic summit]

who the hell feeds 50%

[gritty ridge]

Someone probably

[tropic summit]

at least it's "just" 20% to 3RL

[gritty ridge]

Here you go rail

[tropic summit]

yeah great...

[placid bloom]

imagine if Bready didn't need dist dmg buffer to not be vanilla

[gritty ridge]

Hehehe

[tropic summit]

put that on rookie

[gritty ridge]

One day we'll get a distributed dmg/sustained dmg cube

[tropic summit]

those who can't beat you already before will think this is a new meta team

then your entire bracket will run that team

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

and you'll spread Bread thiccness

it will become the religion of thicc

i saw that.

[gritty ridge]

Must've been the wind

[tropic summit]

rename yourself to "BadBoi 69"

[gritty ridge]

Oh yeah rail

Did you see nayuta sg lost to poli sg

[tropic summit]

ye doggo too stronk

https://tenor.com/view/poli-nikke-dog-commander-gacha-gif-9445538349954016067

[gritty ridge]

Does that mean I have to upgrade her skills more

[tropic summit]

i wouldn't invest a cent in a unit that is only good for CA

that's up to you

[gritty ridge]

Tbf 7 4 7 is fairly cheap

Doesnt use any golds

[tropic summit]

i meant the treasure

rather just treasure bay as she has usage in SP arena

[gritty ridge]

OK but have you heard her English voice?

[tropic summit]

i only have JP voices

ENG voices are blasphemy to my ears

[untold tapir]

What should my Rookie Arena team look like?
Currently it is

Jackal/Crown/Cinderella/HelmT/DrakeT

[tropic summit]

can't see it but your lappy treasured?

if lappy treasured

nayuta helmt rh laplaceT jackal

[untold tapir]

Yes she is treasured

[tropic summit]

oke go with the above

i suggest getting noah and vestiTU up to speed as soon as you can

as those will upgrade your rookie team

[severe nimbus]

wondering if this is an okay SP def team...

[tropic summit]

you've 0CS% on vesti?

[severe nimbus]

uuuh...let me check. she is at 12.12%

[tropic summit]

ah then in reality you're this

that's somewat decent, good early pressure from 4 splashers and combined with B2 nayu on 2.5RL is ok threat

[severe nimbus]

current have blanc where Nayu is, and was wondering if changing to Nayu would improve the performance with a bunch of AoE and all that heh

[tropic summit]

hmm it's situational

i think the team with nayu might be a tad more difficult

[gritty ridge]

Isnt this siren weak

[untold tapir]

?

[severe nimbus]

cool, thanks for the input!

[placid bloom]

well you are just trying to kill before burst

maybe they underestimate your damage

if their p1-3 dead then speed don't matter

[tropic summit]

anything that is not natural 2RL with a p1 B1 or a 11%CS team wide will have B2/B3 in p1 weak to siren

[gritty ridge]

Alternatively, burst so late that siren stun doesnt matter

[tropic summit]

tbh the main point of that team is to apply pressure pre burst

[placid bloom]

well they have to 2RL wipe them

because if Rapu gets to burst then Mermaid stun doesn't matter anymore

high chance Nayuta can clean up the low HP targets

once she unstuns

[tropic summit]

sassuga kuwon

[placid bloom]

unless the Nayuta is potato OL

who knows

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/dai-mahou-touge-potato-dono-gif-19759290

[severe nimbus]

for Emi, I take her S1 and add it to any charge speed OL lines right? if so she is at 22.82% so close to the 25% mark on this nikke deck site

[gritty ridge]

Rail you wouldnt happen to know all the preburst buffers

Would ya

[placid bloom]

AbsTU, MMast, Mast

[tropic summit]

ye it's still 2.5RL, but it's good to have

[placid bloom]

probably 6RL team

[tropic summit]

pre burst? things like noir i guess you mean

[placid bloom]

but you have like 50% crit rate and all the true damage

[gritty ridge]

Yes

[tropic summit]

tbh i don't use them often enough to remember anyone beside noir

[gritty ridge]

I wanna make the most possible pre burst pressure team

[tropic summit]

one of them involves emilia

[gritty ridge]

Absolut trio+emi?

[placid bloom]

hyper buff Vesti 4 shot

[tropic summit]

that's definitely one

[severe nimbus]

think after raid ill try to get 1 more charge speed line on Emi to push her to 25% since according to the Deck site it pushes the team into 2RL, which I think is a good idea to make the team perform even better?

[gritty ridge]

Tri emi lap

Oneshot p1-3

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge this one is pretty evil too, we used it earlier with dair

[leaden canyon]

Thats what she needs for 25%

[placid bloom]

yeah this seem like 6RL

[gritty ridge]

Doesnt mmast only buff at b1

[tropic summit]

doesn't need to burst anyway, pew pew them to the next fantasy world

[placid bloom]

the crit and Atk buff are perma

actually nvm

need to be drunk

guess we kicking MMast

[gritty ridge]

Yeah she needs to hit b1 at least 1 time to be drunk

[tropic summit]

throw in noir for passive atk buff

[placid bloom]

I'm sure there is someone better

[tropic summit]

eh who was it

drakeT and Maxwell need to be during burst

xmaiden and s.anis are just for ele code during burst

ada is for bursting

[gritty ridge]

T.helm buffs on shot

[leaden canyon]

crown s2

[placid bloom]

Helm is last bullet no?

[tropic summit]

ye needs to be healed tho

[placid bloom]

the shot is just heal, and the Atk dmg is full burst

[leaden canyon]

which not hard with treasure helm

seems doable

[tropic summit]

so throw both mast for helmt and crown

crown forehead-chan vestiTU emma helmT

[placid bloom]

Flora

just need 1s for her heal to tick

[tropic summit]

and true damage combos with vesti kit

you cookin' 🍿

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-cooking-castorice-rice-cooking-hsr-castorice-cook-castorice-let-her-cook-gif-14385460857527842210

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

[oak hatch]

Is crit rate good on cindy without cdmg? I have 3 cr lines on her but no cdmg

[placid bloom]

basically if this team does not kill p1-3 in 4 shots

you are 0 dps for 2s

[tropic summit]

you're ded as soon as opponent bursts if they're not ded first

https://tenor.com/view/buford-tannen-backtothefuture-gif-4567499

[leaden canyon]

Btw you cookin for CA?

[placid bloom]

too lazy to cook for CA, I will just toss my SPA team + SG team + 1 filler

[leaden canyon]

I tried absolute squad in CA once, and it died in advanced

[slate falcon]

I still kind of confused about getting into CA, let’s say for example. I took 3rd place on the last day but i kept it for 12-15 hr for that day will that get me into CA or do I have to constantly be in top 3 the season?

[leaden canyon]

its points based

[placid bloom]

you need to be top 4 for most of the season

[leaden canyon]

top 4

[placid bloom]

otherwise your hourly point gen isn't enough

if you are trading spots at 4-5

[tropic summit]

each minute/hour you spend in a position gives you a certain amount of points

if you hold ch1-ch4 long enough, you earn enough points to score either of those ranks as season ends

[placid bloom]

you need to hold rank 4 for 1 week and 1 minute, and they have to hold for 6 days 23 hours 59 minutes for you to outrank them

[leaden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/bookio-gif-13932157847762104386

[tropic summit]

say you hold ch4 as kuwon said for 1 week and 1 minute, but then you drop ch7 for the rest of the week, you still won't be ch4

[slate falcon]

Me Frl RN

[tropic summit]

as it also depends by all your opponents scores

[placid bloom]

the more spots you drop the longer you have to hold

[leaden canyon]

Basically if you hold top 4 for more than 7 days you for sure are fine, unless you get nuked down really far

[tropic summit]

that is unless ch5/ch6 have been stealing regularly ch3-ch2

[placid bloom]

usually the most spots you can drop is 2 spots

if you are rank 6 and you trade with rank 4, you can get more points than rank 5

so as long as you held 4 for longer you will also outrank the prev rank 4

if you are within like an hour of points of each other

[slate falcon]

I’ve just gotten back into top 4 (after not being in there the whole season) but this Is my current point ranking, will it get me CA?

[placid bloom]

that was after collecting?

[tropic summit]

check when ch5 and ch6 last logged in

[slate falcon]

Yes

[placid bloom]

you are 800 points behind even after collecting

that means you are close to 6 days behind on points

[slate falcon]

Alright

[placid bloom]

there's not enough days left

[tropic summit]

ye it's unlikely he's ch4

[placid bloom]

you won't make it

the best you can do is prep for a better start next season

[tropic summit]

unless ch5 ch6 below him have been regularly dropping and already claimed

[slate falcon]

I guess that’s why they let me have it now because they know I won’t get in CA🥹

[tropic summit]

aim to start season at the highest rank you can steal near reset

[slate falcon]

I was in top 3 for only a day then all of a sudden the whales build Moran, Nero and Slow Cindy super tanky teams

[hollow lagoon]

3%?

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/its-way-too-early-for-this-sht-rip-wheeler-cole-hauser-yellowstone-its-too-early-to-do-this-gif-27095590

[placid bloom]

inflated core numbers

[slate falcon]

I don’t don’t enough dmg to kill through and being cp gapped doesn’t help

[slate falcon]

Solo raid?

[hollow lagoon]

the big ugly ye

[tropic summit]

||when are we fighting liliweiss||

[placid bloom]

did you test if Nayuta palm mode can clear the wind QTE solo

or does she have to be in SMG to hit them

[hollow lagoon]

yes

[placid bloom]

okay

[hollow lagoon]

u have baiscally near perfect timing on kind of auto to clear the qte

she's pertty much in smg mode when it comes

[onyx scaffold]

I dont think I can stay 3%
I did like 14b

[tropic summit]

generally half of what the rank 1 gets is enough for 3%

(speaking for global)

[hollow lagoon]

nah

1/3

some times u see the rouge 40b and ur like wtf

mmm

[tropic summit]

probably a good f2p

[hollow lagoon]

yeha maybe ur right about the 1/2

[placid bloom]

only 1 person got 40b in NA so far

global I don't think got that high

well maybe this SR will change cuz perma core

and power spike unit

global on iron MW was only 31b

[tropic summit]

current highscore on global

based on the average i see seems like 14b-18b will be a decent range

[placid bloom]

This guy using Liter B1 instead of Rapi

Well I guess Rapi still count as B3 for Lib

Good design

Surely Rapi outdamage one of the elec B3 though

[rich quail]

6th Anni

book it

[north brook]

Seems just based on their comp choices, they cant use rapi very well

[placid bloom]

I am fairly sure that elec comp is worse than just kicking SAnis and XMaid for Rapi and RH B1 buffer

[gritty ridge]

I finished my hits too

I just hope im safe 10%

[wooden jackal]

does rosanna skill remove buffs like indom and invincibility?

[jagged mesa]

look at you guys talk PVE in pvp chat, who do you think you are, ashiun?

[raven plover]

nayuta? yes

[gritty ridge]

Yes

Indom

Invul no

[vapid lake]

The pvpers here all became pve main didnt u know

[tropic summit]

hey, i'm staying loyal to my good ol' shooting range main

[umbral crown]

yes

[umbral crown]

tis but a minor stumble on thy path towards enrichedment

[keen vapor]

I'm not bugged

[tropic summit]

hey it shows the same rank you've been holding for the past months

[umbral crown]

it shows for me -999

[tropic summit]

[raven plover]

they fixed it

[umbral crown]

have not entered there again

[covert lintel]

They should report it as how many times we got c1, c2, c3 or something like that

[raven plover]

should just use amount of pvp battles you done like last year instead of highest rank on spa

[tropic summit]

be windows 11:

• crash suddenly because F you
• on boot, "hey, there's updates to do"
• "oops updates failed"
• "restart"
• "hey the updates failed, lemme rollback"
• "restart"
• "hey you know what, it seems like the rollback failed, lemme restart again"
• "hey... you know what, I applied the changes, but lemme restart again"
• "hey, you're back!"

MF...

[vapid lake]

Damn i'll look like a pvp main if they do that
But in reality all i did was just be so far ahead of everyone in campaign since the beginning that i now outlevel everyone lucky to not have any leviathan whale in my brackets

[eager mountain]

its peak

[vapid lake]

wait wut? Liberalio asmr?

[tropic summit]

the one and only

[keen vapor]

Where

[crystal flicker]

Why RNG is so against me winning CA

Last time my stall lose to Scarlet Crit
And now Liberalio Crit

This insanity

[vapid lake]

Just get luckier next time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1203538150887260190/1436324146559848489/Image_1762516712191.gif

[crystal flicker]

Get luckier against the luck itself

Might as well become a God

[gritty ridge]

Luck is a lady right?

Just seduce her

[crystal flicker]

Who told you

[gritty ridge]

I seduced her myself

[minor pier]

@visual willow i defeated u again!

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

[hollow lagoon]

that was 45 mintes of straight derping

[tropic summit]

show le teams

[hollow lagoon]

hippo haz them

[tropic summit]

ranked

[hollow lagoon]

for this brief moment ill have a 2 digit rank

[minor pier]

what do i run on cindy team if no mana?

[hollow lagoon]

tf i got stalked

[hollow lagoon]

burst woth xlude and shove copium wind in p5 like

like idk ssakura

[minor pier]

ok thx

[hollow lagoon]

that team is like cindy feed in a way anyway

i think ele shield is suriveable

[minor pier]

my ssaku used to farm for krraken
so she has decent ele

[hollow lagoon]

oh

then burst with ssaku

well

no parts to break u have to test xlude or ssaku burst

[minor pier]

should i give destru cube then? it's like lvl 8

[hollow lagoon]

no parts to detroy

so just reload cube

[minor pier]

dang... i thought there was double part hit interaction with hitting core

[shell hazel]

best I got atm

some cope involved

[shell hazel]

you fell off the list

[tropic summit]

@hollow lagoon already ninja'ed

[hollow lagoon]

i did my best

[shell hazel]

just do better

not hard zanta

[hollow lagoon]

i did 18b already

cut me slack

[shell hazel]

-# ps don't look at my score I did worse than you lol

[hollow lagoon]

give me better than 2/2 atk ele roll nikkes

ill make 20b

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-shornt-wish-i-could-cant-wont-gif-16241221

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

I don't think I can do much better no matter what I swap about here, using all my most built things really, but maybe can squeeze a little more out with some re-arranging

14.4 should be fairly OK for 3% hopefully

[crystal flicker]

I only get 10B lol

[hollow lagoon]

wot u running lol

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[crystal flicker]

Liberalio keeps getting CS and Ammo instead of Ele

[hollow lagoon]

my union's sync 242 mascot

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/kita-bocchi-the-rock-kita-ikuyo-clap-happy-gif-10036180577568127404

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit i just noticed something

remember last atk on team 3 i made with the suggested team you put?

[crystal flicker]

????

[tropic summit]

ye what's up

[marble saddle]

he prob changed the sirens location before i atked cause look here

[keen vapor]

Yes amnesia

[tropic summit]

ye now it taunts you because she's in p2 and you seem to be on noah taunt priority (noise has less CS% than noah)

[marble saddle]

yes but i still won somehow

[tropic summit]

probably non lethal scarlet... likely bricked or deficit

helm should be very ded

[marble saddle]

well time to check the current teams

[tropic summit]

actually never mind, it looks like you got stunned AFTER you bursted, which is normal, noah taunts upon burst (attract taunt)

as siren is in p4, so she cannot stun noah

[marble saddle]

oh wait i forgot the opponents team are shown in mirror

aka right to left in the actual battle

im thinking RRH Indom for T2
Scar trina wipe for t3

[tropic summit]

skip T1
sustain team T2 (noah bis helmt laplaceT/lib noise)
nuke team T3 (scar-blanc-rh-flex-jackal)

he's being so kind to give you a delayed nuke and feed

for T3 as extra note you need indom to survive dealing with nayuta 9s

[marble saddle]

my guess is hes thinking ill stumble on the delayed nuke like he did 2 days ago

[marble saddle]

will team 2 proc noise before his Scar?

[tropic summit]

you always want to be 2RL against scar-jack

[marble saddle]

oh its 2RL

kk nvrmnd

[tropic summit]

T3 is promoted to 2RL via feed, i'd rather you ensure you're 2RL to avoid funzies with nayuta casting B2 in time

that's why i subbed RH for drakeT

laplaceT/emilia if available are also fine instead of drakeT

quantum on jackal centi drakeT, scarlet and blanc can get temperance

the other team doesn't need cubes, although if you wanna min/max

noah temp
biscuit vigor
noise vigor
helmt/lib any

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit things are not going to plan but somehow im still winning

[tropic summit]

wut happened

[marble saddle]

T3 kinda fumbled

[tropic summit]

drake got indom instead of scarlet?

[marble saddle]

i used Emillia and yes she got indom

[tropic summit]

a classic

[tropic summit]

emi probably low invest compared to scarlet

you could give her vigor to temporarely fix it for next times

[marble saddle]

idk how but my yolo made t1 won

[tropic summit]

fortunately she's pretty good even offburst

wows moran diffed

[marble saddle]

i mean i saw it happen once before so i figured meh might as well try again

[tropic summit]

that saved your match nice

how's vestiTU coming along? you want to up her to speed as she can improve your def and atk teams

[marble saddle]

yeah idk if the pvp gods are looking over me but somehow im still getting wins

[tropic summit]

well moran invest paid off if anything

[marble saddle]

i was building lib before her till yesterday but after what you said about my lib being usable so now ive switched to her
shes still only got 2 OL gears at lvl 1 so still prob 3-4 days

[tropic summit]

hmm oke, well vesti can work in several comps and she can also double as battery, you kinda want that unit as soon as possible

[keen vapor]

Rail, Zlaw is bullying me for liking Chime's second revenge on Indivillia

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-chime-nikke-chime-chime-nikke-gif-3834007839470853338

||i was more surprised at that naked crown cutscene|| @keen vapor

[keen vapor]

Execution

[swift mango]

I mean I got to SR rank once, then down to 6% at the end.

[muted stag]

help pls

[mossy epoch]

Hi guys, can help me build 3 team for pvp

[severe tundra]

Is this what you were suggesting? It didn't work 🙁

I think cinderella's burst is being directed to Noah/Noise and biscuit preventing death even without noah burst.

[tidal lichen]

vesti blanc it

[severe tundra]

I wish I had Vesti

[crystal flicker]

Siren where
If you use Soda, she belong to Scarlet Trina

Not to mention Noah isn't linked

[severe tundra]

So what's the suggested lineup?

I do have Siren

[severe tundra]

Also, what do you mean linked

[crystal flicker]

is Vesti burst before your Noah?

[severe tundra]

I don't think so.

[crystal flicker]

So Siren will stun Noah for 3s

[severe tundra]

Won't Siren potentially get taunted by Noise and mess with the timing?

[quick lake]

T1: 2RL Noah Cindy
T2: 2RL Scar Trina
T3: Skip

[crystal flicker]

Just any of these gonna work

If that comp isn't 2RL that is

[tawny wave]

Biscuit no link to noah

[crystal flicker]

I mean if their Noah bursting, it's either your comp too fast or too slow

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/wedgie-chester-francis-the-fairly-oddparents-bully-gif-20196826

[severe tundra]

I would probably say too slow.

[daring remnant]

My bad

[river dune]

Guys a little help here

Should this team be enough?

[gritty mantle]

Please make me pvp teams

[supple plover]

Can someone remind me CP diff in PVP? How big of a difference there must be to attempt fighting?

[gaunt pulsar]

multiply enemy cp by 0.846, to see your minimum

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/NbuPRUEfxv-5Tz034iluJ9SGwFJKZphkLVuq5-Zf5tk/%3Fw%3D600%26ssl%3D1/https/i0.wp.com/nikke.gg/wp-content/uploads/image-533.png?format=webp&quality=lossless

[supple plover]

Okay. So if someone has 943 252 CP minimum I need to have is 811 197

Thank you!

[river dune]

At the minimum yeah

[supple plover]

My mistake

[crystal flicker]

You're not PvP ing without invested Scarlet, Trina, Noah, Jackal, Biscuit, Noise, Centi, Rumani, Anis, etc

Invest to them and ask again later for proper comp, otherwise just auto

[swift mango]

replace Sbs with xmaiden or something and swap Rh vs Jackla position

[swift mango]

Anis isn't even used in SpA nowadays.

Noise is depend

[oblique willow]

@scenic nimbus i wont fite u anymore i just needed to test what team was best

go get top 10

[river dune]

Will this be alright?

[quick lake]

Why is priv there

[river dune]

So she's the weakest and jackal's second skill affects Scarlet

[late tiger]

I can avoid jackal/blanc link being killed by Rosanna burst running 2 attackers in the same team? Or do i need more attackers?

[crystal flicker]

Jackal linking to Blanc just wrong

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• anchorIM trina cindy rouge draket
• lib blanc rh noir jackal
• noah bis rrh siren helmt

Notes

• your utilities are very low invested, prioritize building:

jackal, noah, biscuit, trina, centi, rumani and consider getting laplace treasured, wishlist/build noise and vestiTU

[tropic summit]

to deal with rosanna prefer defender based teams with biscuit or nayuta (nayuta needs to not be 1st or 2nd highest atk%, OL included)

[late tiger]

thanks

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

multiple approaches to this

T1 is weak to bay, noah, indom
T2 is weak to scar jack or heavy splashers + rosanna or just siren blanc to prevent indom altogether
T3 is weak to many things, you can either run a sniper team with little p1 dmg to enforce centi is their B2 or just simply out trade them with noah bis and a DPS B3

attached are a few examples

[tropic summit]

why not 20b? why stop at 18b?

[hollow lagoon]

give me better than 2 ele units

ill make 20b

[kindred blade]

Can I use Bay instead of Trina if I don’t have Scarlet? For PvP.

[tropic summit]

scarlet to be lethal needs either of these setups:

scarlet + B2 buffer + B1 buffer

• scarlet blanc rh flex jackal
• scarlet mari rh flex jackal
• scarlet grave rh flex jackal
• scarlet trina liter flex jackal
  ...

The alternative is a single buff via Trina, which will still be lethal as long as the opponent doesn’t use Noise/Moran B1 in time.

scar trina flex flex jackal

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit i knew it

the current #1 and #3 on global ran my comp

[gritty mantle]

Thanks

[hollow lagoon]

skyj and prydwen both recommended the delta skip

[tropic summit]

it's easy when you come from the future

[sleek ginkgo]

Best cube to buy for pvp after maxed resilience quantum ?

[tropic summit]

quantum 7
temperance 7
vigor 7

are good thresholds

you can get extra lvls if you need the extra slots, especially on temperance/tempering

[gritty edge]

I need help with a pvp team I have a good bit of extra gear I can put on anybody and I've been stacking code manual boxes for a while

[crystal flicker]

You mean Temperance 15

[tropic summit]

emilia and synchro 263... you're not gonna have a fun time in PvP

[tropic summit]

SP arena:

• nayuta centi cind rapu lib
• jackal siren scarlet blanc drake
• noah bis ein helmt rrh

Notes:

• invest CP in jackal, scarlet, centi, biscuit, noah, emilia
• finish helm treasure
• consider laplace treasure

Wishlist/Build:

• rumani, trina, noise, vestiTU

[gritty edge]

Who would I swap once I've built noise?

[tropic summit]

noise can serve in a lot of comps, useful in both atk and def

the direct upgrade would be for your cinderella team

[gaunt bane]

Im running the following for def:

• Cindy Biscuit Liter Lib Centi
• Nayuta Ein RH HemT Rumani
• Jackal Vesti Crown Ada Naga
  All 3RL. Would love to hear your suggestions @tropic summit

Heres my box: https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNjk0NzgzNDI1MDUyOTc3MzU1OA%3D%3D

Tfw im always short on RL doll. R15 is the most I can give PvP units right now.

[tropic summit]

already at a glance T1 needs work, T2 could do, T3 as a ton of feed and rather slow

i'm gonna look at your box

[gaunt bane]

Its mostly a balance between cp pad and speed

[tropic summit]

what's your CS% on vestiTU for reference?

[gaunt bane]

7.78

[tropic summit]

ok so with adjutant you can at least push it past 8%

[gaunt bane]

Its pretty restrictive considering that ppl in my bracket has enough to start cp gaping me if I run more than 2 uninvested units

[swift mango]

Why not use XMaiden, Centi, noir?

[gaunt bane]

Or 1 if I aim to be C6 and above

[tropic summit]

i suggest running these 2 and a CP pad team

it will require you to invest in centi and trina although, but these would be pretty high threat as long as you're not gapped

[river dune]

I mean with centi she's not buffing Scarlet like Trina is

[tropic summit]

your current teams may be fine CP wise, but they can be easily beaten, so that's something you've to consider

if it isn't already, ensure you wishlist noah and consider getting laplace treasured

also improve CP on your utilities, blanc, jackal, trina, centi rumani

[gaunt bane]

Sounds advice, thanks! Already wishlisted Noah

[tropic summit]

as you mentioned, if you're gapped those will be worthless so only use them once you're there with invest
until then it's a sound reasoning to use 3RL but with high CP

make sure your 3RL teams have p1 protected and high threat (nukers, stuns, stalls... etc)

[muted stag]

ty

[gaunt bane]

Yea, im pretty focused on campaign atm. The people in my bracket tho, SR15 dolls on utilities units...

[kindred blade]

These are my SP teams at the moment. I don’t really know how else to improve them besides getting past the 160 wall.

[gaunt bane]

Btw what kind of investment do you guys have on utilities units? Basic OL gears?

[tropic summit]

4/4/4 4OL lvl0, R15-SR5 is generally a good stopping point

[tropic summit]

T1 is wasting jackal together with biscuit, while still remaining slow
T2 noise is your weak link here, but also probably pretty low CP
T3 siren in p2 is risky, you also have no guarantee vesti will survive to either 2.5RL or 3RL, especially not against SGs

highly suggest you switch to the table to the right, those teams offer overall better resistance while keeping CP high and also improving overall speed and threat

[kindred blade]

Thanks alot for the help!

[tropic summit]

one last bit, just noticed we can increase CP on your T3, sub drake and maiden for rumani and naga

(to the right of the arrow)

[kindred blade]

One last thing. How about a team for the rookie arena? What can i make here?

[tropic summit]

go with

nayuta vestiTU RH trina jackal

this will be a 2.5RL with small stalling and high threat on burst

[dense kindle]

Hi Rail can i ask for some direction with investments and some Spa teams

[tropic summit]

post le box

[uncut crown]

Are the lower Diamond ranks in SP Arena considered decent for a close to 4 month player or is that considered “falling behind” in pvp progression?

[gaunt bane]

Depending on your box, but I stay at challenger 4 by that time. Also highly depends on your bracket.

[dense kindle]

Here's everything I got so far im still missing ol on some

https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtODAzNTczNDMyNTc5NzU4NzE2

[tropic summit]

diamond 1 should be achievable by anyone who didn't take breaks and has a decent box
ch7-ch10 i think should be the average target

[gaunt bane]

You pvp with people who started around the same time, so your ranking could be anywhere from bronze to challenger. It just depends on how much you invested into pvp

Investment here also means time investment, cant be a fire and forget thing

[kindred blade]

Thanks you!

[uncut crown]

I have a lot of pvp units but have been limited by dolls and mats. Also because I prioritize campaign first.

[uncut crown]

Ok, that is something I will keep in mind when the units get more built. So that means using gems to do more battles too?

[gaunt bane]

Most prioritize campaign. Pvp units can live with just R15 doll where you are. Or even without.

[gaunt bane]

Nope, dont need to use gem. No point spending gems to earn gems...

[tropic summit]

with your current box i'd go with the attached SS

Notes

• i see some utilities are lower invested, can defiintely bring those up
• if moran and rosanna aren't maxed yet, those could be your next target, they open possibilities for both atk and def

[uncut crown]

Ok, I will keep the R15 doll point in mind. I should be leveling up today since I finally hit a little wall in both normal and hard (normal is because of these capsule water weak enemies).

[dense kindle]

Ty I will work on those next, these can also be used for def?

[tropic summit]

those are actually def teams, but ye you can also use them for attack

attack is always based on what you facing

[dense kindle]

Oh right oops

[gaunt bane]

Btw how does Blanc fit into the 1st team here? Indom is not guaranteed on Vesti right?

Im trying to learn to use blanc on attack, so far the most reliable way is to just go Blanc Vesti Biscuit battery x2 but indom can still fall onto Biscuit sometimes since my biscuit is relatively uninvested

Looking for an answer to Noah team when I'm attacking basically

[tropic summit]

the logic is that your indom target has the lowest HP in the link, a simple example will probably help you understand better:

SBS blanc helmt centi jackal

linked units: sbs helmt jackal
SBS is the lowest max HP in the link
blanc cannot cast indom on herself

watch what happens

[tropic summit]

noah it's generally easier skipping it, unless you can punish by mirror noah but better DPS or sustain

another option if noah is siren weak, then just siren to prevent her from using shield and out trade during burst or indom

@gaunt bane example of siren weak noah matchup

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[gaunt bane]

Oh, thats a great way to reliably trigger indom. Also P4 is generally safe from damage I assume.

[tropic summit]

in current meta, nothing can actually hit p4 unless p4 taunts

p1 is hit by any class
p5 (based on side) is hit by SG or SR
p2 is hit by any splash class
p3 is hit by vestiTU and emi
p4 is unreachable via normal means

[gaunt bane]

Any reason you're putting Centi in P5 for the team you gave?

[tropic summit]

p5 can be linked unit or any flex

e.g.

jackal vestiTU blanc centi helmT
or
jackal vestiTU helmT blanc centi

this is on the assumption you're expecting enemy to run p3 pressure or not

the first option makes you less likely to misindom via SR pressure when opponent attacks, but exposes blanc in p3, notably against emi + vesti pressure

the second option lets opponent potentially misindom by stacking SR pressure against p5

in general a SR15 blanc on temperance on 2RL still shouldn't die to vestiTU pressure against p3

unless opponent is running very wild atk% OLs on both emi and vesti

[gaunt bane]

Thanks for the insight

[crystal flicker]

PvP MA cooking anytime anyday

[gaunt bane]

Good time to be asking PvP questions

[tropic summit]

who's that MA, you?

[shell hazel]

Rail save me

[tropic summit]

that looks well above 3% to me

[shell hazel]

some sheer cope in my teams but it worked out I think lol

RH hyper carry cindy on t4 was the best I could do with what I had left, no other swap gave me as much damage

I need Tove treasure for my SG team and I need rocks and stuff to sort their rolls a bit as well they should be able to do more

[shell hazel]

what about when rail not online?

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-exterminatus-explode-gif-16225998

[shell hazel]

shit

Rail never be offline yeah?

the pizza is next door you don't need to leave your room

[tropic summit]

sometimes i've to buy groceries or go to work unfortunately

[gritty ridge]

Nuh uh

Come work for me

[shell hazel]

work - from home
groceries - online order

[tropic summit]

stop don't give me ideas to be even more lazy

[shell hazel]

Mushoku Railtensei

[late tiger]

Just sounds like south korea with extra steps

They actually bundle all these services through an app and you can request so called "handy-men" to screw in your lightbulbs for you

[tropic summit]

fortunately i'm able to handle unscrewing and screwing my own lightbulbs so far

i'd question myself if I needed help with all kind of small tasks

[late tiger]

You don't wanna know how many can't even do that

[tropic summit]

oof

[late tiger]

It's the downside of convenience
No one reads the manuals to begin with, everything has to be intuitive

[shell hazel]

I've got Phillips Hue lightbulbs, I got them about a decade ago and not a single one has blown or died
|| as a result I have forgotten how to screw lightbulbs in ||

[tropic summit]

my lightbulbs all were consistent with their EoL

bought them around 6-7 years ago, they all started dying near the same timeframe

changed like 4 of them in the past 2 weeks, they all brand new at least now

[slate falcon]

Thoughts?

Is rail’s position in danger?

[tropic summit]

holy F those choices

[late tiger]

Everything dandy until Cindy became a b2 and noir a tank

[tropic summit]

may aswell just throw a dice and it might come up with better lineups

[slate falcon]

[tropic summit]

a somewat ok way to get it to work would be feeding it win/ratio matrixes with archetypes

then at least it can give you a lineup that works to counter another at least based on a %

chances are it will be correct then

[late tiger]

Might wanna use pvp discord channel as source to feed it
After a few times it may work

[gritty ridge]

Chat gpt is horrendous for nikke

[gritty ridge]

Why

[slate falcon]

Lamo

[gritty ridge]

Just learn, dont have the machine do it for you

[glad meteor]

I saw it recommend mod as a dps when someone tried

[late tiger]

For science ofc
Skynet may implement more booties

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit he changed it before I could send in the teams from yesterday

I think hes paranoid

[tropic summit]

no it's reasonable, we had it solved already

the thing with the DoT was just silly lack of sustain or removing the p2 pressure

he changed finally the nero moran team

[leaden canyon]

yes

[tropic summit]

T3 can be punished with biscuit locked vestiTU i guess

T2 seems really weak, can just get rid of scar and emi and force a lib indom

T1 is the usual moran BS

how creative...

[leaden canyon]

I was thinking just do noah biscuit vesti hood rumani and jackal blanc biscuit rapi helm

the biscuit team against round 2

[tropic summit]

who you indomming against?

[late tiger]

Btw, why team 3 has helmT before vesti?

[leaden canyon]

it was for a different defense he had before

[tropic summit]

was to kill their 2 attackers on rosanna burst and kill their 3rd on helm burst

[leaden canyon]

yeah that

[tropic summit]

vesti was p4 to stay alive

[late tiger]

I see

[late tiger]

Is vesti that fragile?
To avoid RL attacks?

[leaden canyon]

I guess round 3 can be noah biscuit vesti hood rumani. I know that works

leaves us blanc and helm for another team

I guess I could just out stall him with helm burst, heck I think nero moran team can beat him cant it?

For round 2

[swift mango]

Put Trina left of Centi.

[leaden canyon]

Although I guess we dont need noah for round 3

blanc indom it is I guess

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon out of curiosity what's ur deficit with this T3

[tropic summit]

nah dair is dealing with an actual pvper, his invest is enough to have you consider carefully positioning

while fighting in essentially deficit as he's forced to always deal with 2 teams as 1 is either gapped too hard or impossible with deficit

[late tiger]

Ohh ok, my problem is mostly gemers

[tropic summit]

ye on equal invest that's all you gotta worry about

the real problem is when you're handtied due to deficit

[leaden canyon]

I just had a mini heart attack of changing my defense to this

I saved it

[late tiger]

Am top 3, at lvl 654, but no chance, i wasted 4k one time to annoy him, while he spent 6k for consecutive losses

[tropic summit]

noone gonna hit you at this time eitherway

it's either a bit before reset or a few hours after reset

[tropic summit]

oh ye that's unfortunately a pointless battle

it's essentially the first to give up

all courtesy of SU designing such a beautiful system

[late tiger]

*insert happy merchant

[slate falcon]

Was never trying to learn from it, I just did it because I was eating then it came to mind and I was like sure why not

[tropic summit]

ye 24% deficit p2 gonna be very ded

fortunately it's just lappy to survive against, i guess vestiTU gonna be p2

[leaden canyon]

I beat biscuit isn't needed for round 2

[tropic summit]

hmmmmmmmm

if noah is in p5 you distribute dmg so maybe

although you still gotta survive against indom

then again you're on lifesteal so maybe

[late tiger]

Btw, ever thought about, that he is checking #pvp-arena, reading your messages and changes his team, whenever you do?!

Since you said he is a pvper

[tropic summit]

probably does but it wouldn't matter

he has the knowledge to already know what we using to beat those

[lunar pawn]

soda/quiry worth working on for CA or too niche these days?

[leaden canyon]

I have thought about it

[slate falcon]

Is Scar really good for arena defense? Im genuinely asking because I’ve never lost to her unless I’m trying out a comp

[tropic summit]

soda yes, quiry ask @lusty gull

[quick lake]

soda stronk

[tropic summit]

yes scar forces a certain amount of resources to be dealt with

[lunar pawn]

alright will OL soda

[quick lake]

I stopped running scar in my spa

[tropic summit]

the real alternative to scar is vestiTU as that's also expensive to deal with

scar is nice also on sacc teams

[lunar pawn]

that's fine ig? cindy nuke, tvesti indom, stall team, should be fine without scar

[leaden canyon]

so this?

[quick lake]

Indeed. Replace Cindy with Libby and thats my SPA teams

[late tiger]

Sadly, being close in lvl with another, Scar just dies too fast
I mostly pair trina with moran nowadays

[tropic summit]

the real question is how much dmg you take from 0RL to 2.5RL

on link by lappy

the moment you hit 2.5RL B2, game is set

give temperance to jackal vesti and drake

[lusty gull]

quiry is hard counter by too many meta teams now but she's still ok and she can do a comeback at any time

[tropic summit]

@lunar pawn FYI, thanks @lusty gull

[lunar pawn]

cheers

I'll at least work on soda for the time being

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit

[shell hazel]

oh dear lord that t3 😄

[lunar pawn]

poor moran

[tropic summit]

wow... moran actually got deleted

[leaden canyon]

moran also had tempering

[tropic summit]

didn't even get to cast self heal

well we know helm team is fast enough to delete lib, seems like they're 2.5RL without CS% to hit blanc in time

biscuit goes to T3

[keen vapor]

:why snapped:

[tropic summit]

because 24% deficit makes everything silly

[leaden canyon]

Actually wouldn't emilia hood blanc kill round 1

he only helm bursts to kill 1 unit

[tropic summit]

that team would be weak to slow cindy aswell, but i'm assuming his moran is well built

meaning double buff emi and slow cindy probably not lethal, but you can test with your leftovers

[tropic summit]

noah is dead there need to rethink

[leaden canyon]

k

[shell hazel]

damn that is some deficit :S

[leaden canyon]

anis helm lap rosanna blanc round 2?

if it kills him the same way it should be fine

[tropic summit]

o lemme fix biscuit

[shell hazel]

a triple win

[leaden canyon]

[tropic summit]

@leaden canyon run this first, could remove nayuta but let's not take risks

with nayuta open could aim for 3 wins

rosanna and helm or rosanna and lappy linked, confirm that just in case

[swift mango]

CP diff'ed.

[leaden canyon]

I changed moran to rumani to make it 2.5

[swift mango]

It doesn't matter if it's Rumani tbh. Your Moran got one tapped.

[tropic summit]

actually while i was taking a piss i just realized... why the fk we didn't use nayuta in p5 on T3 anyway

[leaden canyon]

On the new team lol

It has biscuit

[leaden canyon]

oh yeah thats a thing

[tropic summit]

this is even safer

T2 unchanged
T3 will fix moran instant ko

well i guess the important lesson here was that don't bother 24% deficit without biscuit or immortal p5

btw RH can become flex with w/e to raise CP

[leaden canyon]

maid anchor is interesting

[tropic summit]

same goes for anchor

she's flex b2 buffer but if you got better in the box go for it

p1 and p2 stay linked, p5 is immortal p3 and p4 can be flex buffers or CP pad

[leaden canyon]

can just run noir for more speed, cp and her buffs

[tropic summit]

ye extra atk% would be nice

the moment you kill their p1 they can't burst and rrh is likely dead upon you bursting

killing lappy will then stop their dmg on link, after that you finish off cindy and drake

your CP should also be better now on T3 iirc

[leaden canyon]

noir and hood steal link

[tropic summit]

ok stick to this then
#pvp-arena message

tbh i'm curious now if biscuit triggers in time

for science

[lunar pawn]

any particular OL lines for soda? what about skill investment?

seems only her burst would be useful to level, but she isn't really a dps

so 444 ig?

[leaden canyon]

now I wonder if jackal will survive in time lol

is 3RL delayed enough for cindy burst to hit after noah invul?

against a 2RL

[tropic summit]

nah go back to the moran one with biscuit, CP here is really bad

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit the day @leaden canyon crack the 50% deficit code is the day i need to gap my bracket even more

[tropic summit]

i mean the fact he's pulling off well over 24% deficit wins with vestiTU is already a record

the ultra brick pvping

[hollow lagoon]

rail what's the most efficient way to murder people with half my cp

the dair is making me scared

[tropic summit]

worry about that when they actually break your defense

if and when they do, i can help you

[hollow lagoon]

havent updated my defense

for like 8 months ish

[tropic summit]

yeah...

[leaden canyon]

rumani to burst sooner but lower cp or moran for higher cp but slower burst

I usually use rumani

[tropic summit]

27% deficit you sure?

[leaden canyon]

is that a lot better or no

[tropic summit]

that's 25% at least

3RL is fine

[marble saddle]

Is there a list of all the Burst gen rankings including libera?

im trying to cook up a def team and choosing between lib and other options isnt something i know yet

[tropic summit]

kosmiu spreadsheet

[marble saddle]

dang.... lib pretty low.

[leaden canyon]

I mean you can pretty much use her insteady of cindy in the classic cindy teams and it turns them into 2RL without helm

[gritty ridge]

Idk who that is

Must be somebody stinky

[lunar pawn]

how's mana for CA?

a must?

[tropic summit]

nope

rather than a must, a could

[lunar pawn]

mmm can I send my roster here for a CA setup? haven't participated in 1 since the 1st season and stopped looking at teams since long ago, I just bet on whoever

[tropic summit]

ye go ahead

[lunar pawn]

let me log into my phone, can fit in more nikkes per ss

[marble saddle]

@tropic summit do you mind if i dm you for a min?

[tropic summit]

i'm not giving you feet pictures

[leaden canyon]

[tropic summit]

jokes aside go ahead but i think you can type it here

[marble saddle]

im dming you. not the otherway around

[lunar pawn]

And that's basically everyone in my roster

any suggestions are appreciated

[quartz rover]

why did this end with bay only alive

she bursted before scarlet

[lunar pawn]

not enough splash damage on rumani, biscuit only protected bay

[quartz rover]

shouldnt bay's burst make my team survive the nuke

[lunar pawn]

and well, rh+trina+scar hurts

you're thinking moran

[quartz rover]

oh so im just noah gapped again

[leaden canyon]

Not if too much damage goes through it

[lunar pawn]

bay's dmg reduction is like 8% or something

moran like 35%

[quartz rover]

well my moran has a blue doll and she cant burst fast enough with bay

[lunar pawn]

you'd normally run moran+nero or moran+bay, bay+random b1 doesn't seem worth it, rather slap a clip rl or something instead of her

[leaden canyon]

heck you shouldn't need biscuit with moran p1

[quartz rover]

I ran bay with the thought process my team would survive the nuke

[keen vapor]

You aren't giving SR5 dolls? On this good economy?

[leaden canyon]

can just run another battery

Unless you are in deficit

[lunar pawn]

can also just run siren

[quartz rover]

wouldnt work

I bet this dude doesnt have ol on their scarlet

[lunar pawn]

did you record the fight? see the ammo count?

[quartz rover]

I didn't no

I claimed a mg thinking moran was one

oh well I guess my mihara can use it

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit you want 🍿?

[lunar pawn]

record it

[tropic summit]

with your box i'd run these

[marble saddle]

does the last team imply it will never burst?

[tropic summit]

haha not enough feed

the game is trolling you dair

first moran doesn't procc, then feed is iffy

quantum were on jackal and lappy right?

[leaden canyon]

This probably does it

[leaden canyon]

just on jackal

[tropic summit]

oh come on

that's why

[slate falcon]

I hate my luck

[leaden canyon]

did I miss you telling me to quantum lap

[tropic summit]

always quantum the batteries

ah w/e, do with either anis or lappy on quantum, either should work

[lunar pawn]

kudos, though I don't understand how that % works on emilia

[tropic summit]

CS% total

vesti is also assumed 11%CS

[lunar pawn]

I'm cooked then, emilia is like 10%, tvesti 8.30%

[tropic summit]

for scar case you'll get them from feed via s2 counter (RNG)

for vesti case, your team is a tad weaker (slower)

[lunar pawn]

how much gauge do we get with scar counter?

[gritty ridge]

Depends on enemy comp

[lunar pawn]

wait is it even possible to get 25% on emilia? max CS is 6.09%

or is it the CS from s1 + from OL that's being used as reference?

[tropic summit]

0.3% per counter, assume 30% chance

[tropic summit]

ye combined with s1

[lunar pawn]

oh, so I have 10% + 13%

could reroll 1 piece to try to get 1 more CS line

should hit 25% then

as for tvesti, Idek where to begin rerolling

[tropic summit]

1-2atk%, 1-2 eleatk%, 2 ammo, 3-4CS%

remove crit rate from arms imo

i woudln't touch the other pieces, they're fairly good

[lunar pawn]

yea I think rerolling her would be pretty costly

[tropic summit]

she only misses 1 CS% line rest is good

[lunar pawn]

will get to it once I get another CS line on emilia

other option is try to reroll % on that 2%ish CS and hope for a god roll

but would need to lock that atk line

[tropic summit]

indeed

could bother removing 1 of the ele lines but feels like a bit of a waste

you'd still need to lock lines although

[lunar pawn]

I need full burst month

thanks for the help btw

[tropic summit]

no problemo

[livid prairie]

can someone tell me please which team wins ?

[tropic summit]

so the team above is going to be on sustain, DR and lifesteal
the team below is going to be on sustain, DR and lifesteal

why are you doing this?

if anything team above has got true damage aswell, but it's mitigated by biscuit

[livid prairie]

you can do anything when you are desperate enough

[tropic summit]

assuming you're the guy on bottom, team above can be punished by rosanna

[livid prairie]

well i am not an arena expert, which team do you suggest to beat the one above ?

[tropic summit]

rosanna breaks jackal link at 1RL
vestiTU will hit hard on ada, noah, noise
rosanna will also nuke at 2RL B1 both ada and helmt, since ada and helm were linked and then delinked, ada will not be full HP
any rosanna on 7/10/10 with basic OLs will be lethal, killing both ada and helmt

at that point with both ada and helm dead, even assuming noah bursts, they've no damage left

[leaden canyon]

mega whale lost to the new defense wtf lol

[tropic summit]

some of those units are also non mandatory, you can make do without vesti on similar principle

noah biscuit helmt ros laplaceT

this still applies enough dmg on p1 to be lethal on ada, while rosanna can 1hitko on a bit of eleatk% any helmt

[leaden canyon]

this is rookie btw

[tropic summit]

vestiTU on a roll

[leaden canyon]

He lost to this

its not even the 2RL version with siren

[tropic summit]

probably ran campaign team

got stuck hitting noah

[leaden canyon]

He runs this for his rookie defense

[tropic summit]

then vesti came in... 🍿

[leaden canyon]

probably the same attack team

[tropic summit]

bro still running oldschool scarlet

that's probably over 2 years old

[leaden canyon]

yeah but nobody can challenge him because CP

[livid prairie]

ngl i have mad respect for the arena bros, you guys have been cooking

what does the 2RL/2.5Rl mean btw, is there any place where i can find explanation ?

[lunar pawn]

I mean, you can probably fight it on deficit

[leaden canyon]

how fast it takes for the team to burst. 2RL is two rotations of RL units firing

[lunar pawn]

tvesti indom would cook it

[tropic summit]

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

burst gen calculator, mobile friendly: https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[leaden canyon]

^yeah that

[hot shuttle]

Anyone know a better counter measure for this team? With my current team, I barely beat this guy and there’s also no guarantee of winning since if jackal is the last one standing, I’m guaranteed to lose.

[tropic summit]

you've to either stall them out or kill them before they become a problem

1) preemptive:

• noah biscuit vestiTU ros helmT

2) preemptive: (if their noah is siren weak)

• noah biscuit liberalio siren helmT

3) stalling:

• noah helmt rapunzel biscuit vestiTU

4) stalling (indom)

• jackal vestiTU helmt blanc centi (vestiTU needs x2 ammo OL)

[livid prairie]

how can helm die before noah bursts ?

[tropic summit]

rosanna B1 hits before same speed noah B2 can be cast

rosanna B1 on full HP water code units, assuming she's built as recommended, is lethal

rosanna B1 can be lethal on very high atk% even on full HP non water code nikke, although it's recommended weaking them a bit to guarantee it

[livid prairie]

oh yeah rosanna burst targets 2 units my bad

[tropic summit]

2 attackers*