pvp-arena

[worthy knoll]

I feel like Dora the explorer

[tropic summit]

MF they could come up with anything, literally, and they made sure to give us the most f*ing boring game mode they could come up with

i'd rather take some event game modes they made and make those permanent instead

and slap "surface content" on them

[quick lake]

Surface mode was more tilting than I thought

[worthy knoll]

There is the chopper, but cmon, not unlimited but just twice a day?

[swift mango]

nah they should make it clash of clan 2.0

[tropic summit]

anything but this garbage we're being fed daily

[swift mango]

Hmm... How is your Noise and Noah CS? I hope Noah has higher.

[marble saddle]

noah was 9.57% iirc. didnt check noise yet

noise is

so 27% i think

[swift mango]

Opps

[worthy knoll]

This anni update, aside from Surface, also made it for some reason that my phone overheats way to quick. I just afked in coop page for 5 minutes coz I took a parcel. I went back to find a hot potato. Mean while I played CZN for 3 hours straight, not a single sign of overheating

[mystic rain]

game also lags in pc since update

like i click ark and then tower and for a few seconds it just stays on the ark after the loading screen instead of tower

and that one time nikke actually crashed when loading surface

[swift mango]

If it was the same guy you attack these last 2 days it's safer to use Anis instead of Rapu.

[tropic summit]

ye perfomance dropped again with latest patches

i've returned lagging in some areas randomly

[marble saddle]

yeah its the same person ive been tangling with 4 days now. no one else is interested

[swift mango]

Yeah, your Noah steal taunt making him 2rl or very close.

Enough for 2RL Emi to hit over Noah.

[marble saddle]

so crown anis instead rapun crown?

[quick lake]

Surface is laggy af too

[swift mango]

Yeah

[swift mango]

Not very lagging for me.

Way less than mother whale

I don't even feel it

[quick lake]

Idk. Movements not as responsive as i would like it

[mystic rain]

MW lag on first 20 sec when bombs spawn

[marble saddle]

anis on pos 4 and crown pos 5?
since anis at pos 5 i think wont survive pre burst

[swift mango]

Yeah, Prepare your 100k gem to buy speed up. We are about to make 1000 Product 23 to Zerg rush a whale.

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit help plz

[swift mango]

It's fine doesn't matter they won't burst anyway. Could move your Emi to p4 also

[marble saddle]

done

[swift mango]

Oh wait,

[marble saddle]

k waiting

[worthy knoll]

It can be in a really really rare case.. somehow your defender is one of the highest atk, somehow that defender is too weak or your opponent overpowers you, that S2 triggered before Rosa's 10th hit.. happened to my Nero before against someone who cp gaps me

[marble saddle]

@swift mango only 10 mins left till reset

[swift mango]

Back to the Rapu version

That's it. Sorry

[tropic summit]

oh right i just remembered your SBS dying to drakeT, let's fix T3 with non ele weak link

[warm monolith]

I was just gonna type u i was in slight deficit in T3 ty

[tropic summit]

what's deficit like now?

[warm monolith]

Im still in deficit btw

[warm monolith]

In t3 its the same team,just different arragements, 753k required lowest and im 750k

[tropic summit]

check with this

[warm monolith]

817k

60k cp difference,wow

[tropic summit]

cuz your needlessly thick bay

go with that and record, we're lucky he's feeding you with SG and SMG

[warm monolith]

Ive been feeding my wife well

[warm monolith]

Alr,when the point come,ill go for it

[swift mango]

Bay is bad now, doesn't block Libby. Just like she doesnt block Rapipi before. And some bug when they just made her treasure that made the cover not working a well.

Bay is full of bug that make her not working.

[marble saddle]

@swift mango he changed the teams

[tropic summit]

don't worry she literally serves as CP fodder in there

[swift mango]

Too late to do anything. Not even enough time to send.

[marble saddle]

np. i already got 1 gem attempt and now 2 dailies. time to force him to spend if he wants to stay

[tropic summit]

@warm monolith run that team in union shooting range to ensure scarlet is linked btw

jackal scarlet blanc bay laplaceT

it should never happen that bay has more atk% than scarlet, but knowing you i wouldn't put it behind me

[tropic summit]

that's ABC anti sniperoni

change teams at X:58

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/SlUNNA8rHzc?si=gHUDq5zclFQJrX8y

[onyx scaffold]

rip keripo again

wtf

that SG team dmg was so high

[warm monolith]

Scarlet gets the buff

[marble saddle]

his new teams

[tropic summit]

wew noice

[tropic summit]

can you post or link your updated box? should be beatable even by a pve main

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit rng?

God,the cubes.

[tropic summit]

T1 you forgot that we need to cut the speed, this is info you should know, but you got lucky helmT and RH got hit, it's probably not consistant
T3 you paying the expense of having bay instead of an actual burst gen contribution

T3 is fixable, T1 needs to drop a bit of speed and turn 2.5

[warm monolith]

What can i do for t1 and can it still run and win?
And for t3,no regret jk but ye i understand

[tropic summit]

switching around helmT might solve both teams

[warm monolith]

Helmt for Bay?

[marble saddle]

you talking about my PVP units or entire box?

[tropic summit]

check CP on both teams again with these corrections

[worthy knoll]

Noise/Noah/XMaiden/Laplace+/AnyClipRL(or Emilia gen like)

Nayuta/HelmTBait(any highest atk bait, like Scarlet or 2B or whatever other highest atk unit you have)/RRH/Siren/someGenB2

Jackal/Vesti/HelmT/Trina/Liberario

[tropic summit]

well merry already blind cooked, assemble those teams and check CP, if you're not on deficit run them

but ye we mean entire box when we ask

[worthy knoll]

Third team is actually overkill though

[warm monolith]

I still dont have a trina build man

Deficit

[tropic summit]

rumani is fine too, quantum on her

@warm monolith nvm rumani isn't fine

[warm monolith]

Just 2k over

[tropic summit]

you in deficit in t1 or t3?

[marble saddle]

sorry my vesti and Libby arent service worthy yet

[worthy knoll]

Then just burst with HelmT

Anyone of them bursting will be a win regardless

[warm monolith]

I dont understand,i thought rumani was a better burst gen than trina tbh,and deficit on t1,t3 is safe

[tropic summit]

run this after you confirm you're not in deficit

it needs centi with quantum and jackal with quantum

[worthy knoll]

Vesti is just there to chip in on Rapi, while Libi and HelmT to hit on Rumani

Vesti can be Emi too, just don't burst with her

[warm monolith]

In t1 just 1.3k over deficit

[tropic summit]

also if you remove bayT and replace her with laplaceT is that team still over deficit?

[warm monolith]

Ye

[tropic summit]

run jackal scarlet blanc laplaceT helmT in union shooting range and tell me who's linked

[bitter trout]

What beats this

[warm monolith]

Laplace sadly

[tropic summit]

laplace and helm?

jesus your box is a nightmare

when are you going to fix your scarlet

[worthy knoll]

Copy, use Vesti in instead of SBS, Noise instead of Jackal

[warm monolith]

Well rh eats a lot

[worthy knoll]

Mmh I guess Vesti need some ammo instead of just base 8 though

[tropic summit]

rh isn't maxed yet?

[warm monolith]

Also i can only touch the leg

[warm monolith]

A bit more lines in the last ol then good to go

[tropic summit]

then why are you in deficit

bah i don't know if i wanna know actually

[bitter trout]

Yup that worked

[warm monolith]

Idk,i made her 162k,SR doll 15,all ols, 10/10/10...oh,no cube

[marble saddle]

this good enough? the t2 bait you were saying needs to be the highest atk unit in the team?

[warm monolith]

Sorry...

[worthy knoll]

Did you need RH for CP?

[warm monolith]

I never noticed it😭

[marble saddle]

no but since i dont have vesti or libby i needed to fill in the blanks

hence biscuit and rh were my thoughts

[tropic summit]

so to recap

noah temp
biscuit vigor
Vesti any
rh any
centi quantum

jackal quantum
scarlet temp
blanc vigor
bay any
helmt temp

run these and record, if you still lose T3 it's time you fix scarlet atk% so we can run laplace

either that or going back to gamble with SBS stacked team

[worthy knoll]

Should be fine

Though Biscuit is not really needed there

[warm monolith]

Also,i was rerolling her sets(rh) and got charge spd 4.63% and hit rate 4.77% for crit dmg 13.50% and charge dmg 6.18% should i change? If i do i lose cp?

[marble saddle]

my worry is the t2 team you said that needs a high atk bait. since my highest atk unit in team 2 is RRH

[warm monolith]

Currently 162267 for the record

[worthy knoll]

Scarlet should be enough with her S1

[marble saddle]

well. ill send the recording and i shall find out

@worthy knoll can i DM you?

[worthy knoll]

Sure

[warm monolith]

I change it and got the exact same cp

[short plaza]

@tropic summit remember the rookie defence team you gave me? it's getting heavily abused by siren so what do we do?

[shell hazel]

[warm monolith]

Going for it

[tropic summit]

ensure of deficit and cubes

[tropic summit]

remind me the teams you're running

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit ggs ty for the teams man also the recording in the t1 is glitched but if you want i can send it in the t3 one

[tropic summit]

was the timing correct for T1? nuke absorbed fully?
was T3 this time faster and got indom before nayuta B2?

because those 2 were the important bits i wanted to see

[short plaza]

noah biscuit helmt vesti jackal

[tropic summit]

oh right we put noah in p1

[warm monolith]

@tropic summit Well,in t1 the nuke absorbed fully and in t3 when nayuta hand dropped,it one shotted jackal and helm but just as it did i was already in full burst,ty again

[tropic summit]

try these two next, start with the moran one (if moran isn't built use noise instead)

[tropic summit]

oke so both issues were fixed as we expected

make sure you learn from this, there were 2 important bits:

• timing for absorbing cindy nuke
• timing to get indom before enemy pressure comes in

[short plaza]

is the Moran one better? moran is built so it's ideal if so

[tropic summit]

absolutely, keep that one if moran is good to go

[shell hazel]

that moran def is my rookie def

[tropic summit]

both defenses fix your vulnerability to siren

[short plaza]

I have to ask though wouldn't noah taunt and splash vesti in the process?

[tropic summit]

ye that's not too much of a problem on 2RL

if you were 2.5RL or 3RL it could be abused

[austere marsh]

Dropping by with an itty bitty question.
Is Scarlet Soda Trina HelmT Jackal the best version of the RNG team?

[shell hazel]

Rail do I win next CA set?

[short plaza]

right then thank you I'll go set it up and see if people would stop destroying me

[tropic summit]

you've to make a choice:

(1) scarlet soda trina helmt jackal

• soda can be taunted and denied, it kills your RNG from X to 100%

(2) scarlet trina soda helmt jackal

• soda cannot be taunted, you've a minimun chance of 10% to hit both enemy antinuke B2, or higher % if opponent does not run 2 antinuke B2s

in general the latter is far more effective

[tribal nebula]

Hi ! So... i should win ?

[tropic summit]

yep you're in range, you can run it

[tribal nebula]

Ok i try to record

[austere marsh]

🙏 Understood commander. Soda RNG will lead me to victory

[tribal nebula]

Hum seems rh dont kill helmt ...

[wise horizon]

looks good to go?

[tropic summit]

what's scar ammo on T2?

if you've a total of 40-60% ammo OL that's fine, anymore than that and you need to account for siren stun

[tropic summit]

what's your RH OLs like? she's not 20-40atk%?

is she 10/10/10 SR15?

[tribal nebula]

I check it

[wise horizon]

she has 3 OL Ammo line. total of 120%

[tropic summit]

ok then rethink scarlet team into

jackal scar trina flex jackal

flex ideally a unit on clip SG burst gen tier, a SG also works

[wise horizon]

jackal, scar, trina, centi, drakeT?

[tropic summit]

yep that's fine too as long as you're not in deficit

you're using bay because you're noahless right?

[wise horizon]

oh no. should use Noise/Noah/Cinderella/HelmT/Rumani

[tropic summit]

well both options work

it's just that bay is on the riskier side as you gotta tank indom scarlet

the ideal counter to indom scarlet is

noah bis helmt laplaceT noise

[tribal nebula]

She is doll sr15 skills 10/10/10 but ... No attack % only 41% element dmg

[tropic summit]

e.g.

[tropic summit]

oh oke found your issue... to think there's ppl running 0 atk% RH

as you can see in the vid you were very close to kill them

any atk%OL will probably let you finish them off way earlier

[tribal nebula]

Ok i will redo her ol equipment (20% attack ? )

[tropic summit]

see if you've any piece with a good line 3 and open line 1 or line 2 and reroll at least 1 atk% OL

[tribal nebula]

Ok

[tropic summit]

you should aim for 40%, but i think 10-20% will do for general purpose

[tribal nebula]

Ok 15% now

I used 15 gems ...

Let's try

[tropic summit]

oke

should finish them off this time

[tribal nebula]

I lost again (30% element and 14% attack) i need change cube ? I use adjutant

Seems worst than the first try

[shell hazel]

highest dps cube usually

adjutant is for CS % and doesn't do that much

[tropic summit]

change approach to

noah biscuit vestiTU RH helmT

[tribal nebula]

Ok

[tropic summit]

let's add some firepower

for w/e reason they're outhealing you i guess

[shell hazel]

ah this is arena des debutants - so we can experiment

you know what they can't outheal Rail

[tropic summit]

the above

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/vesti-nikke-nikke-goddess-of-victory-gif-6999906611543065394

[tropic summit]

i guess i need to stop using my 40%atk RH

as benchmark

[shell hazel]

RH is one of the first units I rolled 😄

[tropic summit]

RH on 15%atk can't kill noise noah helmt sadge

[shell hazel]

I had 50 rocks and a dream

I wound up with this which is aight

I've not actually touched it since then lol

[tribal nebula]

Easy win when noah shield expire

[tropic summit]

yep sounds about right, thank you for trying with RH anyway guess we know she needs pretty high atk%OL to pull that off on that stall team

[shell hazel]

oh lol I hadn't read you suggested vesti when I did 😄

[tribal nebula]

Thx again , but i thk i need to optimise my RH

[tropic summit]

well RH is still very useful on iron SR

i personally run her still as main B3 in some stages

[shell hazel]

she's usually my b1 buffer

[tropic summit]

pierce is pretty unique

[shell hazel]

and burst generator

I don't use her anywhere near as much as I used to

the firepower of vesti and rapi alt bursting is strong

[tribal nebula]

I used 17 rocks with no really luck 🥲 only 14% attack and i lost 10k CPs

I needed this Rocks for liberalio ...

[tropic summit]

plenty of time to fix that don't worry, 17 rocks is nothing

to get good lines fixed sometimes it's between 25-50

whatever line you rolled away from RH was a line that needed to be fixed down the line, think of it as investiment

[tribal nebula]

Plus, I ended up finishing the rookie season in 5th place, even though I was first in the last season before the reshuffle (well, it's only the rookie arena).

[tropic summit]

yep rookie arena isn't worth maldin at

you can stay on lower ranks until last 2 days then climb up to get the better placement reward

[tribal nebula]

Okay, I'll try to set that goal for later. I need to level up Liberalio and Soda first.

Thx again, good night 😉

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[wise horizon]

What’s a good SP defense utilizing Nayuta and Liberalio?

[shell hazel]

[warm monolith]

[tropic summit]

liberalio on defense is meh, on attack it's far stronger

her nuke is delayed so enemy has huge leeway on what to run

and running nayuta on defense means you're without anti nuke, as she's B2

which is punishable with indom or rosanna teams

that said, to still think of a team that can run on def with those, it would be stall teams or indom teams

moran noah lib flex flex
noise noah lib flex flex
moran bay/noah lib flex flex
noise bay / lib flex flex

[shell hazel]

and of course two great options you *forgot * to include.
||nayuta nayuta nayuta nayuta nayuta ||
|| nayuta nayuta liberalio nayuta nayuta ||

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit I got 21 boost now

but he sped up round 2 with trina

[tropic summit]

that thing is essentially full fledged glass cannon now

[leaden canyon]

Pretty sure round 1 is the same but not sure how round 2 goes now

[tropic summit]

you're no longer binded by deficit on T1

think we can save an helmT

[leaden canyon]

alrighty

I shall await your teams

[tropic summit]

what's your emilia CS% again

box: #pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

but well i'm thinking of this, post CP later

[lunar pawn]

probably because noah is THE STRONGEST SHIELD

[leaden canyon]

16%

@tropic summit

[tropic summit]

T1 is fine
T2 needs 1.897.000

anything left there to upgrade?

although minor CP deficit might be fine considering the biscuit lock

[leaden canyon]

I got it to 15.54% by putting resilience 15 on everybody but biscuit

[tropic summit]

or you could rotate and see how CP goes with

nayuta vestiTU emilia rapu drakeT
noah biscuit helmt laplaceT moran

[tropic summit]

oh that also works

i guess you can record and go then

[leaden canyon]

well deficit is what 15.40

[tropic summit]

15.4% ye

[leaden canyon]

let me look at gear

Every is at least at 3

[tropic summit]

well if you fixed with cubes all gud

won't need temperance as you're with biscuit, moran and noah

[leaden canyon]

15.45%

[tropic summit]

specifically you need to be

1.896.750

[leaden canyon]

Got it to 15.23

[tropic summit]

oke i guess you're good to go

[austere marsh]

FREE PULL REDHOOD RAHHHH

[tropic summit]

smooth as f*k

this is like playing on easy mode without CP deficit

[leaden canyon]

I wondeer if siren would have been better for round 3

[tropic summit]

well you need to deny moran somehow

moran does taunt at B1... if you can time it so siren stuns when she taunts you can

alternatively you need to run scarlet on hyperbuff

scar trina rh noir jackal

oh we not using blanc anymore actually, that also works

try making a scar team with blanc in it and that is not in deficit

[ionic rose]

Insane

[shell hazel]

I can't believe I saw Dair playing whilst not in deficit 😄

[leaden canyon]

I'll enjoy it while it lasts lmao

[shell hazel]

they're prepping wallet kun for some more cd packs as we speak

[leaden canyon]

I forgot to upgrade recycling room health before attacking lol

oh that only gives like 400 cp

[haughty mortar]

So I humbly come to y'all again asking what I can use to beat this dood

[vagrant hinge]

hello guys i dont play pvp quite well bcz i dont think i know stuff in this mode, can i get your opinion so i can do well, i think…

[calm nebula]

Need help forming a rookie and special team defense. My team is super outdated and I suck at PVP.

[jagged mesa]

piggy and cup back to make my betting life hard

[placid bloom]

what if they just didn't change teams from last time

[jagged mesa]

looks to be different

i might be safest just 50/50ing it

goodness gracious its almost a mirror

5sg vs 4sg ros
stall w/ lib vs mihara cindy
vesti vs vesti
scar vs scar
mihara cindy vs stall w/ lib

minor differences

[pure moss]

@leaden canyon

[placid bloom]

for Scar mirror you can watch previous replay and check frame count for when RLs fire

whoever faster wins

[leaden canyon]

Oh lol I didn't even realize it was you

My dumb ass

[pure moss]

[pure moss]

Wait you're Romariel?

[leaden canyon]

no

[pure moss]

[leaden canyon]

I was like why are you tagging me, oh thats your fight

[pure moss]

Lol

Imma upload comps later cuz I'm at work

Don't know if Imma win

[jagged mesa]

imagine its totally rng because of scarlet s2

[tired root]

does Liberalio fill the burst gauge faster than xmaiden?

[shell hazel]

good doll upgrades

[eager mountain]

depends on team speed

[leaden canyon]

maiden is 18.2 and lib is 16.8

Basically the same

[eager mountain]

3rl becomes 27.3 vs 33.6 so.....

[onyx scaffold]

Do I get Xmaiden dupe for pvp? Her usage is on/off often lol

[shell hazel]

nah

[leaden canyon]

I wouldn't

[shell hazel]

she'll get crept out even of CA sooner or later tbh

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah I see ppl bench Centi already

[shell hazel]

lapt has better gen as flex battery/dps

and even lib may be comparable now

[onyx scaffold]

Xmaiden unique is that she wont have more atk than noise

For jackal link

[leaden canyon]

Biggest thing right now is to save doll mats for January

[tired root]

sorry just to confirm, in this case lower is better right?

[onyx scaffold]

Only anis

[leaden canyon]

That too

[shell hazel]

xmas limited pilgrim anyone? 😄

[leaden canyon]

Please no

[jagged mesa]

shhh stop talking now

[shell hazel]

christmas rapunzel

[onyx scaffold]

Wdym too

[eager mountain]

higher=better
2rl xmaiden gen is slightly over lib, over 2rl speed then lib has noticibly more gen, thus team dependent

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah new treasure i almost forgor

[leaden canyon]

I figured when you say anis you meant overspec

[onyx scaffold]

Yup but that is just 1 unit

[shell hazel]

yeah this is useful, I also like her as anti-scarlet main b3 when the scar team runs helmT/Ros, as a defender she kind of avoids the nukes

[crystal flicker]

It's Neon: DEEP

[leaden canyon]

Considering they did anni rerun I bet they will rerun sbs, rapi and mihara for new years since they are new years units

[onyx scaffold]

Not mihara

[leaden canyon]

Oh wait when did she come out, was that with siren

ah right

[tropic summit]

post your box like this: #pvp-arena message

that way people can make you rookie and SP arena teams

[onyx scaffold]

Just rapi sbs i bet. But yeah getting rapi dupe is kinda urgent

[leaden canyon]

at the moment I can c7 her, I have lb2 rapi and 2k mileage

[onyx scaffold]

I have 20 gold mileages rn

Not sure what to do tbh

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left

[leaden canyon]

I have not used my mileage for like a little over a year

[umbral crown]

Gib to me

[pure moss]

Who's losing?

[leaden canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-cant-see-small-gif-5154350

[pure moss]

I'm defending

[onyx scaffold]

Give me Anis

[leaden canyon]

I got to blow that photo up

[pure moss]

My bad I'm on mobile

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/long-cat-lol-longcat-extend-gif-17597031

[leaden canyon]

all good, just making it bigger on my end

[onyx scaffold]

Are u sure that the Vesti has enough CS and Emilia has 25% cs?

[pure moss]

My team or enemy team?

My Emilia has this and 2.12% from cube

[onyx scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1089238762019639376.png?v=1

[pure moss]

Idk about the enemy's vesti

But my Laplace, yes

[shell hazel]

[leaden canyon]

p1 50/50, p2 50/50, p3 lose, p4 win, p5 lose. kinda wild west with some of those teams

if you survive long enough on p1 you win

Because siren stun and scarlet burst

[pure moss]

I'm on top defending btw

[leaden canyon]

yes I know

your siren and scarlet are getting spashed by vesti and emilia

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• jackal siren scarlet trina drakeT
• noah biscuit lib helmt noise
• naga centi cindy laplace RH

Rookie

• jackal siren lib helmt noah

Notes

• wishlist/build moran, rumani, vestiTU, rosanna
• finish SR15 on noah, noise, biscuit, trina

[leaden canyon]

you can win p2 depending if you can kill him quicker or not

very rng

Leaning more towards you losing

[onyx scaffold]

Team 1: investment check but I think attacker wins. 3 dps should kill Siren Scarlet before bursting
Team 2: same shit and I think defender wins

Team 3: rosanna investment check. Rosanna should burst after Noise burst.

Team 4: defender
Team 5: attacker

[leaden canyon]

wow I actually gussed like you did

I really cant tell if t3 wins or not

I lean more towards lose because thats how that match up can go but I have had weird wins with my scarlet team against sg

[pure moss]

Sheesh, rough bet

If it's investment check then I think I'm taking

[onyx scaffold]

U can judge based on scarlet cp

[pure moss]

So I'll bet on opponent against the majority for the silver frame

[umbral crown]

[onyx scaffold]

Check team 3

[leaden canyon]

Oh his vesti is weak af

you actually might survive

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah that cp seems too low

[pure moss]

His scar is pretty invested

[leaden canyon]

if those are attack overload on his scar then yeah you dead

you are defending with your sg team and his scar is in p5

Really bad luck

the amount of scar s2 coming at you

thats 4 sg going into scar

yeah you dead

[onyx scaffold]

On the bright side his rosanna is safer

Anyway I think u still have a slim chance on each match of first three

Trust yourself like I did

[pure moss]

I bet on the opponent even though I trust myself

Gotta get that silver frame

[haughty mortar]

Still cindyless. Does Ein work? Or SAnis?

[tropic summit]

yeah ein works

and no don't you want to use SGs against scarlet

against scarlet always prefer using RL or SR units

[open hazel]

is there a purpose fighting in rookie arena? I feel like the rewards isnt too good

[onyx scaffold]

Arena shop

[open hazel]

the different rewards between rank 10 and 3 isnt that much tho, I wonder if its worth the grind

[tropic summit]

think of rookie as a training ground to test things

as you said, rewards are essentially the same for top ranks

you can bother playing it seriously at the last 2 days of each season

[onyx scaffold]

rank doesn't matter
Just win 5 games

[haughty mortar]

SOMEONE PLEASE DELETE DKAZE'S ACC FFS!

[open hazel]

[onyx scaffold]

I attack the weakest of the three options all the time for sure win. Rank whatever

[crystal flicker]

Rookie just testing ground

[onyx scaffold]

I dont rmb the last time I tested there

The options too limit

Am I cooking

[tropic summit]

depends

• SP arena / rookie? dedge
• CA? situational

[onyx scaffold]

CA is default context

Better than 4SG?

[umbral belfry]

2 sg pressure

[tropic summit]

dunno to me it looks like the recipe for "how to waste units the best i can while hoping for a very specific matchup"

it's not bad per se but it's too situational

CA is all about having teams that can handle multiple archetypes

[onyx scaffold]

What waste

Those units are benchable

[slate falcon]

Put up the chef hat, it’s not meant for everybody🥀

[tropic summit]

in this economy bench blanc and rosanna?

perhaps you're seeing something i don't see

[onyx scaffold]

Dude

That is the modified SG team

Rosanna is always there

[tropic summit]

you've 2 SGs, what are those gonna kill exactly

and you're on 4RL meaning if they don't kill, you've to hope they get killed

[onyx scaffold]

Im benching SG

[lunar pawn]

looks like I'll finally be able to participate in CA after season 1

[onyx scaffold]

I do expect both to be killed

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

there's a few archetypes that can kill that fast, scarlet and vestiTU, while ofc mirror SGs

[lunar pawn]

I'll need someone to cook me 5 teams when the new season opens up probably

[tropic summit]

as long as you hit those and get the right timing for sacc, maybe it works

[slate falcon]

Good job, im proud of you of you

[onyx scaffold]

Blanc is used in

• slow cindy => nayuta can replace and likely better
• jackal vesti => Bay works

[tropic summit]

well you seem fairly convinced already why bother asking?

[umbral belfry]

nayu cindy isn't better than blanc cindy

[tropic summit]

go with it and see how it does

[onyx scaffold]

Dude

[umbral belfry]

loses mirror and unable to kill stall

[onyx scaffold]

Im telling u it is not a waste

[tropic summit]

then why ask

[onyx scaffold]

?

[tropic summit]

you already know it's not a waste, go for it

[onyx scaffold]

Did I ask "Am I wasting these two?"

I didn't

[slate falcon]

I think you’re confusing

[onyx scaffold]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

just giving you my feedback but ofc it's worth a shot

[onyx scaffold]

what waste just means nothing is wasted in the team

It was not a question

[tropic summit]

it's CA so whatever can happen

[onyx scaffold]

And it doesn't mean the team is good/bad

[tropic summit]

chocolate and pizza together, both are good on their own... put them together and they're a bit weird

[umbral belfry]

if the aim was ada indom there's far better ways to do the team but that's just my opinion

[tropic summit]

he's doing 4D chess for a very specific set of matchups

[umbral belfry]

you're barely 2.5rl with that 4rl team iirc

that's why it's questionable, but that's my opinion

[onyx scaffold]

The ideal was to sacrifice 2 SG for Rosanna and Blanc to burst.

Ada was there cuz Idk who else should work

In the past I ran SBS

[umbral belfry]

also, bsoda has a possibility to get indom instead if only drake dies and bsoda is low enough

might not always happen depending on the MU, but something to note

[haughty mortar]

One can't simply play 4D Chess! That's what only Putin can do!

[umbral belfry]

@dense kindle

[onyx scaffold]

It is better if u tell me what situation it wouldn't work or something
That was the feedback I needed

[lunar pawn]

didn't they increase the image limit?

[umbral belfry]

think max is 4

[onyx scaffold]

The cost of the team is not a big deal to me.
Like some ppl even bench Centi, Maiden...

[lunar pawn]

it was, then they removed the limit

now back to 4 too many crypto scams ig

just wondering what characters to work on for CA

[dense kindle]

I taking notes to study for next CA season
-# and working up courage to ask rail for cook up

[onyx scaffold]

I dont think it is relevant
Cuz crypto scammers also post 4 pic

[lunar pawn]

these are the only ones I don't have

[umbral belfry]

no arcana

[lunar pawn]

at times

[umbral belfry]

this pains me

[lunar pawn]

you're telling me

[umbral belfry]

Isabel

[onyx scaffold]

That is 3 limited
2 old 2 new

[lunar pawn]

only reason I don't go for everyone is cus I missed power, so no reason to complete the collection

[onyx scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1009484479779315763.png?v=1

Powerless

[lunar pawn]

yea now I gotta build her, I must

[onyx scaffold]

Bro didn't trust Prydwen

SSS tier pvp

[lunar pawn]

makima ate power for breakfast back in the day, as far as pvp meta went

[tropic summit]

how does it do against:

• scar siren 2RL
• scar soda 2RL
• jackal vestiTU indom 2.5RL (+feed 2RL)
• noise noah vestiTU 2RL
• noise noah cindy biscuit rumani (2.5RL)
• moran noah helmt rh centi 2RL
• nero/moran 2.5RL
• slow cindy (5RL)
• default SG team (2.5RL - 3RL)
• splash team (any vestiTU + lap + emi) 2RL - 2.5RL

you can answer to these on your own, you've the experience

if it can deal with most of them, it's a good team

[slate falcon]

I have to build her now, i just have to

[umbral belfry]

[onyx scaffold]

Ok. Ty for listing this. I can add some and whitelist some to personalize my bracket.

Btw I think my question was bad there because I didn't show you the other four teams so u could get the idea that I was cooking my leftover team.

[ionic rose]

How long does it take for rosanna to fire 10 bullets again?

1.5 seconds?

[onyx scaffold]

@umbral belfry I will see more data with that Nayuta variant. Ppl are doing Nayuta Siren slow cindy and bench Mihara now.

Personally I feel my Mihara doing no dmg

But I saw some ppl's Mihara doing big dmg and idk why

[tropic summit]

if it's a leftover team then it's good, if the other 4 can handle the list above

CA is all about win ratio matrixes, make teams that give you the best win ratio and you're likely to get to the top

[umbral belfry]

I can't comment on how nayu siren cindy does bc I haven't seen much of it. I just know nayu mihara cindy is an inferior blanc cindy ver

[tropic summit]

this is something keripo also stated anyway

[onyx scaffold]

Keripo doesn't have enough data

[tropic summit]

he made matrixes for all CA archetypes

[umbral belfry]

I'd assume nayu siren cindy loses to blanc cindy too as blanc is so slow to not care about siren. but I'd have to see it to confirm

[onyx scaffold]

If he loses, he loses to the chinese cooks

[tropic summit]

he definitely has SOME data

[ionic rose]

He runs makima and nayuta tho

[lunar pawn]

makima is meta in CA?

[ionic rose]

7 second indom, nayuta has 9

[lunar pawn]

can't nayuta's be removed with rosanna?

[tropic summit]

she needs to be 1st or 2nd highest atk% in the team tho

[ionic rose]

The teams stalling for Mihara damage so no

[onyx scaffold]

Nayuta makima mihara are countered by

• Noise + slash team
• Moran Helm team
  Can it win against slow cindy?

[umbral belfry]

mine would get dispelled bc 45 atk

suffering from success

[tropic summit]

what have you fed her

[umbral belfry]

nayu just loses to blanc teams overall (if she gets to burst) bc longer indom overall

[onyx scaffold]

I have seen Nayuta Shotgun winning against Rosanna

[umbral belfry]

hence why nayu cindy is a weaker variation

[lunar pawn]

[umbral belfry]

so if blanc bursts consider it

[lunar pawn]

what are the usual shotguns to work on?

[onyx scaffold]

Weaker variation against mirror I think cuz it seems to guarantee a win against scarlet, and slash team

[tropic summit]

draket noir bsoda, the triad to ensure you hit ele weak

[onyx scaffold]

But yeah I run Nayuta shotgun now

[umbral belfry]

that is also true

[lunar pawn]

how does nayuta shotgun go?

[ionic rose]

I dont think so, we will find out later if keripo loses, but yeah hes doing new teams, i dont even know if replacing Scarlet with Liberalio in his indom team even makes a difference. He max cored Lib tho, that says something

[umbral belfry]

unfortunately we can't have both

[onyx scaffold]

Oh what if Siren is in the nayuta team?

What was the team again

[umbral belfry]

if we're talking about mirror, blanc is so slow that she bursts regardless

against non mirror you still lose to stall due to not enough dmg

[onyx scaffold]

Rumani nayuta siren biscuit cindy

[ionic rose]

The teams Nayuta, rumani, cindy and biscuit. The fifth member doesnt matter too much, u can even just run those 4 and its fine

[onyx scaffold]

True. Blanc-less will hardly kill stall

Fortunately ppl start stopping using nero moran

Everyone runs moran noah helm now

[umbral belfry]

[onyx scaffold]

Siren is to stop blanc burst maybe

[umbral belfry]

I'm not 100% sure if nayu siren cindy would beat moran noah helm

bc moran dr and helm helping

[onyx scaffold]

Definitely. Moran wont be killed but others will

Oh wtf I remember one thing

[umbral belfry]

then it's a matter of if moran can tank non attackers and she can if high invest

that's why I'm not 100% sure

[onyx scaffold]

Yes I watched this vid

I posted it here

[umbral belfry]

[onyx scaffold]

Cindy nuke everyone then Moran solo 1 vs 4

[umbral belfry]

my goat

[onyx scaffold]

https://vxtwitter.com/AsahiPinko/status/1987174692697088415?s=20

旭通さん@NIKKE (@AsahiPinko)

モランさぬあぁぁぁぁぁぁっぁぁぁあ

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Nov 8, 2025, 3:05 PM

So Nayuta remains SG team

[umbral belfry]

and then you wouldn't have mihara DoT to help you either

but bc CA time outs are from hp % I think, I think you would win?

[ionic rose]

Lmao siren stun is over on blanc by 5 rl, tho u do want a burst one in there since Rumani is on p1 and if Rumani get siren stunned theres a chance she can die before she bursts

Btw who knows how long it takes Rosanna to shoot 10 bullets, is it 2 seconds or 1.5 seconds?

[spare nimbus]

I would be so pissed if i lost this 💀

[tropic summit]

typical moran, don't let her get low hp to stack on def%

and make sure you kill her within blanc debuff

[onyx scaffold]

Moran reminds me Noise bug

[primal haven]

Is there a general guide for Arena? I want to get back into it but I don't really want to be that competitive

[tropic summit]

assemble these 3 teams

• run scarlet against any non bay / non noah team
• run noah against any scarlet team
• run w/e is left with the other team

as long as you're not on deficit, these should get you climbing at least to higher diamond rank

get familiar with the basics here:
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

mess around / learn about burst gen here:
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

this is the most shortcut-ish approach i can think of for SP arena

[keen vapor]

@coarse lake are you gonna win?

[primal haven]

if I remember correctly the guide on nikkegg isn't up to date

[tropic summit]

the basics haven't changed

positioning is the same
burst gen is the same
logics are the same

[primal haven]

ah ok

[tropic summit]

the only thing that has changed is meta units, in part

you can refer to the top SS i attached, those are current meta attack teams that you can also use for defense

[primal haven]

okay, thank you

...I have no Bay btw

[spiral onyx]

Ain't no fken way lmao

[cunning crown]

holy

[primal haven]

time to raise my Moran

[primal haven]

who can be replacement for Bay?

[gritty ridge]

Nero moran

[crystal flicker]

I run 3x 2RL w/o Emi

Even the random C3++ don't want to deal with that

[coarse lake]

Probably? I didn't look too closely

[keen vapor]

betting against you

[tulip quest]

Bro Moran has more muscles than Rumani

https://tenor.com/view/sidechest-rostik-ovidiosuarez-maincra-dumbbell-gif-22365845

Basically her as her hp goes lower

[cosmic robin]

any good for pvp? kinda stuck tbh

[keen vapor]

Stuck where? Diamond?

[real abyss]

gold

[keen vapor]

If you on Gold and already being outleveled by +50 nikke level by a lot of people it means your pvp is brick

[keen vapor]

How you know

[real abyss]

idk

[quick lake]

unsynced Trina?!

[swift mango]

For me I just attack the C1 to test teams. Not really care about winning.

[swift mango]

More than you

[swift mango]

Moran is tanky but she also lucky Midhara chain didn't hit her.

This guy is on a roll, way too lucky with his fights. Is there hidden luck buff for him?

[quick lake]

Scar SDoro Trina Rumani Jackal
Noah Centi Liberalio RH Rumani
Nayuta Siren Cindy HelmT LapT

[crystal flicker]

Attacking C1 only for him to attack you back

[swift mango]

That's good because I need to test more team. He his back so I don't have to purposely lose.

[crystal flicker]

My PvP DEF CP is pretty bad, though no one able to beat it yet (except whale)

[swift mango]

I often lose when I am greedy and test 2 teams though.

[gritty ridge]

Chat they hate me

[uncut cradle]

need sugestion for teamlineup in SA i dont really know much in pvp lineup

[keen vapor]

281 synch Emilia 💀

[keen vapor]

Keeping PVP uninvested sounds better idea at that point....

[uncut cradle]

exactly

i rerolled an account i dont know what to build for my team

[void tulip]

Looking to focus hard on going for top one in rookie Arena is there any builds I should go for, I have every Nikke in the game except for like 6 collabs

[uncut cradle]

i dont know if the position and combination is correct

[wise horizon]

Looks good to go?

[keen vapor]

Something something Jackal Nayuta Vesti Drake Noir
Noise Liberalio Bay Crown Cindy
Auto

[primal haven]

any suggestions for Rookie Arena?

[keen vapor]

That Siren is likely to stun Noah

[uncut cradle]

aight i'll try using this thank youu for third lineup? im still lacking nikke though

[keen vapor]

Just auto

Uninvested PVP unit works worse than high power team

[void tulip]

I heard that she's good now right?

For pvp

[swift mango]

Try to experiment by yourself. You aren't getting to the top anyway.

Remember that your units are getting normal attacked from left to right. Sometime from right to left. So the middle is the safest. Burst 1-2-3 so B3 is the last to burst and need to survive more.

[void tulip]

What is a good team to go with vesti

[uncut cradle]

aight thank you for advice i appreciate it

[keen vapor]

Is pinned

[gritty ridge]

Dont run 5 vesti, you will lose to p1 nayuta

[keen vapor]

5 Vesti?

[swift mango]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

Use this to help with calculate how fast you burst. 2RL is fastest. Check pin for more material.

[gritty ridge]

YeH

[uncut cradle]

thank you this helpss

[wise horizon]

In that case, this would work right?

[keen vapor]

I don't get it

[swift mango]

Vesti x4 + RH , my favorite team.

[void tulip]

Currently Building her up, if she's good in PvP I rather use her. I'm just a little lazy to do the OL lines atm

[keen vapor]

That's right

[gritty ridge]

Nooo, youll lose to nayuta p1 mihara p2

[keen vapor]

Her skills are good but she makes teams slower is not so easy

[swift mango]

It she had clip SG burst gen she would be SSS for Arena.

[gritty ridge]

My personal favorite team is scar trina jackal jackal jackal

[keen vapor]

Boi is drunk

[gritty ridge]

Smh, echo hasnt heard of triple jackal tech

[void tulip]

What is considered one of the strongest teams? I assume it's Noah

[gritty ridge]

||Btw i saw someone post a picture of chime with clothes on, did they take the time to edit them in||

[keen vapor]

SFW how

[void tulip]

Why post this again? I saw him and it gave me a bunch of teams. I'm mostly asking which one to start with

[gritty ridge]

Just pick one i suppose, they all have their strengths and weaknesses

[void tulip]

Sorry, I don't know much about PVP so I don't know how to ask questions about it

[void tulip]

I love your pfp btw

[gritty ridge]

Thank you

[gritty ridge]

Its all good, youll learn over time

[marble saddle]

im assuming jackal RRH Blanc Biscuit combo can beat t1

would Nayuta Noah Combo work on t3 tho?

[gritty ridge]

Idek whats happening here

[marble saddle]

thats my opponents teams
im trying to build teams to beat him

[gritty ridge]

Oh I see

[marble saddle]

ive seen some teams that work for his t1 and t3 so im just asking if the teams i mentioned can work since i do not posses certain pvp units

[gritty ridge]

Rrh indom would work for t1 yeah, nayuta noah may work if you can speed the team to 2rl

[marble saddle]

the problem im facing now is to reduce my gen to allow my indom to start after his otherwise his lib will trash my rrh

[gritty ridge]

Youre fast enough

3rl noah blocks 2rl liberalio, so blanc should do the same

[marble saddle]

but wont my indom end before his?

[gritty ridge]

Why would it

[marble saddle]

isnt 109% = faster burst gen?

hes 102%

or am i reading the info wrong?

[gritty ridge]

Ok, dont pay attention to the % number

The number above it is what actually matters

[marble saddle]

ok so since i have 3RL ill go after his 2RL?

[gritty ridge]

Yes

Rl is rocket launcher shots, thats how we measure burst speed unless you wanna go framedata

[marble saddle]

oh....so the RL is the amount of hits to reach fb. i see

ive been reading it all wrong

[gritty ridge]

You absolutely need 2rl to beat t3 btw

[marble saddle]

kk. lemme cook

[marble saddle]

would this work against his t3?

[gritty ridge]

Oof I didnt realize how much nayuta dragged speed

[marble saddle]

i dont see him having any defense and i assume nayuta would get stunned by the siren

[gritty ridge]

You could try it but I dont think you have the dps to kill

[marble saddle]

unless noise somehow gets it instead in which case i fked up

[gritty ridge]

Oh yeah, p2 siren means noise stun

[marble saddle]

drat

so i need another b1 unit

[gritty ridge]

Wait im dumb

2rl b1

Siren immune

[marble saddle]

???

meaning i would burst before the stun happens?

[gritty ridge]

At 2rl your b1 bursts before siren gets her stun off

[marble saddle]

well i added rh for buffing but

[gritty ridge]

Cannot use that formation anyway

[marble saddle]

i assume this would make RH go b3

kk

[gritty ridge]

Rh would b2 and b3

Whats your strongest b3s

Exclude rrh

[marble saddle]

hold on

[gritty ridge]

Perfect

[marble saddle]

strongest here prob means CP wise

[gritty ridge]

Can I see your noise and noah lines

[marble saddle]

hold on.

Noise

Noah

[gritty ridge]

Shit

[marble saddle]

yeah ive been told

[gritty ridge]

Unfortunate circumstances

[gritty ridge]

No no, thats not what I meant

[marble saddle]

the cs is low

[gritty ridge]

Noise cs is actually pretty high

[marble saddle]

do you need to see trina's as well?

[gritty ridge]

Its just an issue here because noah will get taunt priority

[marble saddle]

ah yeah

[gritty ridge]

No her lines dont particularly matter here, do you have bay?

[marble saddle]

i do

[gritty ridge]

Overloaded?

[marble saddle]

maxed out on everything except OL lines and Cores

i.e max treasure and skills and ol lvls

[gritty ridge]

This is an odd comp, but try it out

[marble saddle]

@gritty ridge I won. posting the video.

[gritty ridge]

Congrats

[marble saddle]

welcome and ty for the fine tuning

[gritty ridge]

Np

[rich ledge]

He hasn't logged in for 5 days already maybe I can try hitting him?

[rigid inlet]

Hi! I haven't asked for recommendations/update my team for PvP in a long time. Could you recommend the best compositions for rookie arena and SP? I stopped playing for a while, and then stop and back many times, so I might have missed pulling some Nikkes.

And btw the overload gear recommendations from prydwen still updated?

[ionic rose]

Wah day 1 player

And yes prydwen still updated

But if u stopped and came back how behind are u in levels in your pvp lobby?

For high cp deficits scarlet, trina, red hood, THelm and Jackal team still ur best bet for rookie

[rigid inlet]

In levels how do you mean? Nikke levels or my rank?

[ionic rose]

Nikke levels

[rigid inlet]

Is not the same as the nikke normal lvl? In this case, 424?

[ionic rose]

Yes, what about the other people in your rookie arena?

[rigid inlet]

Thanks! My Trina is at 0 at the moment I never touch her, is there any another good alternative?

[rigid inlet]

Oooh I get it, I just can reach the position 20-25 at the moment because above that, players have 100 levels above me

And another question just for curiosity, how do you know I'm a day one player? I'm a bit rookie here (discord and sometimes on nikke too) lol

[ionic rose]

I see, yeah the scarlet nuke team can beat people 50 levels above you. If u have extra resources just build a basic trina so she survives until she Bursts

[rigid inlet]

Completely understood! 😃 I'll pick her

[ionic rose]

Ur level 424 even tho ur on and off the game, plus u entered nikke discord on Nov 4,2022

[real abyss]

🤔

[rigid inlet]

But how can you get there by the lvl? Ok I forgot my time here on discord! What was the release date of the game?

[ionic rose]

Nov 2022

[rigid inlet]

About the SP arena, can I copy some players comps?

[crystal flicker]

The new C1 is Japanese

[ionic rose]

Hes Chinese

[rigid inlet]

Sometimes I forgot that I've started from the beginning ahaha

[real abyss]

weeb

[rigid inlet]

I need some SP recommendations too, should I copy another comps from other players?

[ionic rose]

Yeah just copy teams from Challenger 1 to 4 in your lobby , shoulda be fine. You can screenshot teams or use nikke-deck website if you want us to review the teams

[ionic rose]

But hey look on the bright side, at least he didnt name himself 'ロリ神'

[crystal flicker]

I can't read that, I only know that Kami kanji lol

[ionic rose]

Good

[rigid inlet]

Thanks! What is Nikke deck website? Yeah I want you review my teams too

Can you set an easy fast team for now? Just to have something good on def and to attack too

[ionic rose]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[rigid inlet]

How to use this?

[covert lintel]

Idk why some ppl put lv1 r nikke like that

[ionic rose]

Nikkes on top of list have highest burst speed, RLs mean how many rocket launcher shots it takes to fill burst gauge, i.e. you can just treat 3 RL as 3 seconds to fill burst gauge. The lightning symbol means charge speed, and with charge speeds above 15% u can add the lightning to your nikke. Special people like Emilia have special charge speed and skill level breakpoints

[crystal flicker]

It's to flex "I've obtained these 1000 times"

[ionic rose]

3RL = 3 seconds to burst

[crystal flicker]

You're using VPN

[ionic rose]

With everyone at 15% charge speed, it will now take team 2.5 seconds to burst

And finally if Emilia (who i desperately want) reaches 25% charge speed, then the team will only need 2 seconds to burst, which is pretty much the fastest most teams can go

[rigid inlet]

I get it, and then it comes the speed thing of the overload gears? But many recommendation don't include spd there. It's so confusing to me sorry lol

But I get it in general, thanks!

[rigid inlet]

Good night and thanks for that help!

[burnt night]

for nikke deck what does the bottom left + mean

[ivory violet]

Charge speed

You can see it at the top right

[burnt night]

ty and I did not see that ty

[ivory violet]

Lol yea I didn't see it for like the first month of using nikke deck

[swift mango]

My Libby love attack, she doesn't want any Ele.

First black line attack on a dps.

@eager mountain how about yours? My Libby already about 40% ATK at 3 ATK line. Still zero Ele.

Guess she doesn't need Ele for Arena after all.

Wanted her to help with kraken but oh well.

I want to reset my Mana but forgot and she is still bricked against Rosa thanks to high skill level and attack so she get dispelled... Oh well...

6 more months of Bricked Mana...

[eager mountain]

still rolling for last elem for pve and tiers not rerolled yet

The only major PvP use of elem is likely to f p5 irons like jackel in attack specifically lol… if nuke doesn’t wipe iron somehow it’s usually a rip anyways

[swift mango]

The only use is to help wipe Rapu in a Nero moran team.

[quick lake]

That’s great

[eager mountain]

well.... she f*ckes nero moran already, at least in a relatively cheap way, lol

[serene sleet]

hello srry for asking again but what is the best for round 2 and 3?

[tulip quest]

2ND Line still good

[heady peak]

how honestly do you beat this team? i've tried so many different things... is it really just delayed noah burst?

[runic nexus]

Returning player here, haven’t played for a year so my arena teams are getting cooked 🙁 if yall could give me some arena teams I’d really appreciate the help

[quick lake]

Scar Soda Trina Centi Jackal
should work

[vapid lake]

Soda

[quick lake]

Likely very hard to do SPA as ur bracket peeps are much much higher sync now

[runic nexus]

too many gigawhales in my bracket, was already cooked even when I was playing

[heady peak]

regular soda? would the burst be fast enough? also isn't the stun 2 random? if i'm wrong cool, i guess I'm confused on that one.

[quick lake]

Noah and noise taunts the stun

[heady peak]

oooh

i guess my other question is, would I burst too late and noahs ult would have gone off? he has a fast burst. do I need anything special for it?

[quick lake]

Nope, nth special. That exact team should win

[heady peak]

ok.

[quick lake]

Just make sure Soda doesnt die before burst and no cp difference

[heady peak]

ok let me make sure I have her up to snuff. I was building her a while ago for champs arena.. but Idr if I finished her.

[gaunt pulsar]

You don't really have enough units or sync slots form another team, unless you got some more from last time

[quick lake]

Soda Scar Trina Rumani Jackal
Noah Centi Cindy THelm Noise
Auto

Missing a few pvp units. With the sync difference, dont expect to defend to often

Can always check teams in pins for more teams

[runic nexus]

Thanks man appreciate it

[onyx scaffold]

can 2RL noah protect team from 3RL cindy?

[north brook]

Does about half

[onyx scaffold]

good enough

[north brook]

Long as they live one of the hits

Will be okish

[onyx scaffold]

wtf why helm nuke noah

[north brook]

Big atk noah pog

[noble hatch]

Question Nayuta or Liberalio if I have to choose one to pull for multi and why?

[marble saddle]

Nayuta if you working towards campaign + PVP + SR
Lib for Mass PVP + SR with less use in camp

in easier terms: if you got crown then go for lib
if you dont have crown go for nayuta

ideally go for both

[noble hatch]

What is Mass PvP?

[noble hatch]

I got Crown

[noble hatch]

Actually I did have both of them, sorry, I should ask which character should I get dupe first?

[noble hatch]

However, I see that Liberalio is very niche, she only buff B3 who has the lowest atk

[marble saddle]

none.

if you got both 1 copy then best solution is save for xmas and NY unless you are a heavy spender

[noble hatch]

My worst pull is Cindy, I did 260 pulls just to get 1 Cindy during second anni, and after one whole year, i still didnt get any dupe of Cindy...

[marble saddle]

pure f2ps arent supposed to get multiple copies from 1% banners. usually they are supposed to save mileage for those banners

[noble hatch]

I am into PvP (CA) and solo raid

and im not F2P

[marble saddle]

how much of a spender then? just passes or more?

[swift mango]

probably not a max core whale rapu with 400 research level over you. Without you have to buff or Ele.

[noble hatch]

Monthly gems pass, occasionally event pass, and anni gacha

I am very lucky for this anni, I got Nayuta in 20 pulls, Liberalio in 10 pull, another Liberalio in a free daily attempt, so I can affort to pull some more.

[marble saddle]

then just a starter. best you can prob do is spend all/most of your pulls for xmas 2025. then use the mileage for the NY banner. for other's opinions you can ask in #questions

[swift mango]

It's just bracket luck and how you could keep up with Campaign grind at the begin.
Getting 4 whale in your bracket or level bricked and you would have a tough time. Same to having many campaigns grinder in your bracket.

[marble saddle]

@swift mango you got a moment?
ive started to figure out team patterns but im still having certain issues fine tuning my teams

[swift mango]

With that kind of luck you don't need spend in any game.

and still looks like a whale

[noble hatch]

My Cindy pull in 2nd anni was terrible, 260 pulls for 1 Cindy, and I never get any of her dupe in a year

[marble saddle]

im thinking for his team 1 i use 2.5 or 3RL Scar Noah team
for team 2 maybe RRH Indom

[swift mango]

I did 150 without S.Elegg and 180 with zero Jill. Both 2% banner.

[noble hatch]

I feel you bro, maybe I really should just save up all my gems and advance tix for winter and new year pass like Zlaw said, W both of u, tyvm ♥

[marble saddle]

make sure to get more opinions from #questions before you decide

@swift mango what you think?
#pvp-arena message

[noble hatch]

Ty sir!

[swift mango]

Idk you were asking if you should go all in on Liberalio because you are feeling lucky now? It's up to you but Both units aren't top meta in Campaign. And new year is often the best Campaign units of the year, at least for the only 4 new year units we have. Modernia, RH, SBS, and Rapipi.

[noble hatch]

For now, I am trying to get 1 more dupe, since there's recruitment benefit and I was lucky with my pull. Yes I agree with you that both of them are not the best tier, if this was last year, Cindy Banner, I would definitely go for Cindy. Good reminder from you, RRH is brutally good. Another reason is because of the solo raid, its coming out in two days. I am now always at 10%, so any additional CP would help me secure top 10%

[swift mango]

uhm, their team 1 is 2rl team, if you used 3rl team you won't survive.

And Scarlet Noah? You mean SBS noah? Because scarlet original + Noah doesn't really work.

[marble saddle]

i was think i could use scar wipe to kill off their vesti Helm and trina.
if 3 RL is too late what about 2.5 RL?

[quick lake]

Lib is great in pvp

[swift mango]

That team is 2rl Noah, there is little counter on it. I can suggest quickly 2rl Noah+Biscuits+Emi+RH+HelmT as a win.

[marble saddle]

hmm.....

lemme check the numbers then

[swift mango]

Rumani+Cindy+Nayuta+Biscuit+Flex MG, is another

[marble saddle]

yeah i guess this would work. since emi has delayed burst

[marble saddle]

then can i use 2 RL scar team for t2? or is that too flimsy?

[swift mango]

it would be fine. If they higher synch than you, you could buff Scar trine with RH.

[marble saddle]

no they arent higher cp than me

[swift mango]

Then you should be fine, unless your scar and Trina aren't invested

[swift mango]

Actually get Noise p1 so she burst.

[marble saddle]

done

[shell hazel]

your noah taunted by their noah, which in turn means their noah hits your helm and taunts her (probably) 😛

[marble saddle]

here i go

[swift mango]

You mean, his noah taunt their Noah? So Their Noah hit P2 Noah and his p3 helm?

[serene sleet]

how about now?

there still much slot left

[shell hazel]

yes

well either way I've seen it cause RH at p3 to target Noah as well due to the splash

[swift mango]

How was it? I hope your scarlet didn't fume and not strong enough to wipe.

[marble saddle]

video just taking too long to upload

[swift mango]

let's say it worked.

[crystal flicker]

Idk how many times I lost CA atp lol

[marble saddle]

cant be more than me. but then again i havent tried to win yet so

[crystal flicker]

I'll ditch SG comp for new testing comp

Devs should rerun EMilia if they want to throw me to Emi bracket smsh

[swift mango]

You could use Video panda to make your 50mb video 1mb

[marble saddle]

50? try 62 mb

[swift mango]

Not really different.

still sinked to 1mb

[marble saddle]

for me whos net speed is like 700kb/secs its a full 7 mins

[marble saddle]

k will try it but for now

@swift mango

[swift mango]

Find the time when Echo is around and bully him with uploading a bunch of your Video, He gotta go run away asap.

@keen vapor

[quick lake]

I agree

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/adeus-volte-sempre-gif-13566867734332124302

[tropic summit]

3rd team isn't strictly necessary, any filler B2 that ensures you're still at least 3RL

[tropic summit]

it's a game mode you can ignore for the most part, run any 2RL team on high CP

[gaunt pulsar]

Isnt too much too work with still, but your second one could be Moran/drake/MAnchor/Naga/Isabel and 3rd one is just a throwaway with liter/Arcana or chime/privaty/Mana/mary

[serene sleet]

Thx so should i just wait pvp or focus on story first?

[sinful granite]

Can somebody help with teams for PVP please? I've not been investing in my PVP characters and I've dropped off a cliff going from high diamond to gold as soon as I got close to the 160 wall

[gaunt pulsar]

Focus story, too early to invest in pvp

[serene sleet]

I see thx

[quick lake]

Noah Biscuit Liberalio RH Siren
Scar VestiTU Trina Liter Drake
Auto

But yes, focus story first

[sinful granite]

Thanks

What's the difference between the Attack/Defense setting for PVP? Just simply a Team A/Team B option? Or does it actually matter? Is it counted as "Defense" when somebody chooses you and "Attack" when you choose somebody else?

[tropic summit]

attack is tailored to the defense you're facing, this gives the attacker a huge advantage and one of the main reason why pvp in this game is called a "solved mode"

as for defense, you try to set up teams that force the hand the most to the attacker, as then they're punish for either lacking the knowledge or the right tools

the logic is that you pick 2 of the 3 enemy teams you want to beat and make a lineup that directly or partially counters them

[onyx scaffold]

He made it really sure

[tropic summit]

a typical example is a 2RL noah against a 2RL scarlet, scarlet nuke is denied while you kill them off safely

example attached

[marble saddle]

good for him. he'll go far that kid

[tropic summit]

should've posted also in https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/946719915048566784 just to make sure

[sinful granite]

Thanks

[marble saddle]

in #1047834285287166013

[onyx scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1099302246648401990.gif?v=1

[hollow lagoon]

Hate them

[oblique igloo]

new bracket looks very active what is this

[hollow lagoon]

They want ur spot

[oblique igloo]

no wonder why they all at least have 300k more than me lmao

[shell hazel]

zanta please buy me core dust thanks

[oblique igloo]

those are my 3 def teams but idk if third one is even good, she just works well in offense so i pasted it on defense

[tidal lichen]

can any1 explain how scarlet nukes faster than my 2rl noah

[placid bloom]

you are feeding with Mermaid

[tidal lichen]

yeah but does it really promote it to like 1.5rl

[grand plaza]

It feeds enough to wipe you

[tidal lichen]

on nikke.work even if i set all enemy rls to 24% with quantum and include scarlets counters it still doesnt burst faster than my noah

[placid bloom]

hmm it is abnormally fast, I see their Mermaid ammo refund already kicked in before your 2nd volley landed

so they got 1RL somehow

[shell hazel]

is it siren bug

[placid bloom]

Idk if Mermaid bug still exists

[shell hazel]

with siren burst gen across SPA rounds

[placid bloom]

I thought it was patched already

[tidal lichen]

[shell hazel]

I didn't see any confirmation that was resolved myself

[placid bloom]

but I also don't test bugs

[vapid lake]

New pvp bug ?

Sasuga shiftup

[shell hazel]

siren burst gen ammo count was counting across SPA rounds

[placid bloom]

but yes they are 1RL because their B1 casted before you reached 2RL

[shell hazel]

so if you ran her in say round 3 she'd get burst gen boost from the ammo shot in previous ones + new one

[placid bloom]

if they were 1.5RL their B1 would cast after you reach 2RL

but before Noise burst

[tidal lichen]

prev round had mihara and moran

so yea ig thats the cause

[shell hazel]

sounds likely still a bug then

[placid bloom]

how many months has this shit been around already

still not patched

[empty cedar]

Let's gooo

[vapid lake]

so i should siren on round 3 of my def team, got it

big brain mechanic by shiftup

[shell hazel]

my fight is ogre @nimble swan @cunning crown @hollow lagoon
power of friendship arc continues next time

i'll upload the matches later

[hollow lagoon]

We got squad wiped

[nimble swan]

Ohh… sad

[shell hazel]

swung on the SG comp I guess

[nimble swan]

I was envisioning you fighting Tenshi again in the finals lol

[shell hazel]

haha maybe, well not to worry

rng out of rng arena 😛

top 16 aight

[nimble swan]

I already did some cooking and testing, next time I want a good run lol

[shell hazel]

my stall comp with lib wasn't that impressive I'll probably adjust them

[nimble swan]

Actually there are some interesting possibilities since Nayuta and Lib was added

[shell hazel]

my vesti and slow cindy worked well no losses

[umbral belfry]

@fathom rock LOOOL

[umbral belfry]

huge

[umbral belfry]

let's go home

[shell hazel]

I'll tell work you said I could go home

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

thanks Hime

[tropic summit]

Is retro still in @umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

yes LMAO

[tropic summit]

That glorious nayuta scar team