pvp-arena

[high stream]

Well, like i said .. only one guy can beat it, so I'll keep it for now

[hollow lagoon]

jackal link helm snipe might not kill unless u kill the link

[high stream]

And the guy that can beat it is this Tossen guy lol. Who clearly has too much money

[swift mango]

A bit

[hollow lagoon]

i mean

yeah

[quartz rover]

I'm an idiot

[hollow lagoon]

given i'm no longer double

[quartz rover]

thats an attack team not my defense LOL

[high stream]

[quartz rover]

this is my defense

[high stream]

I think my defense team is the same as my ATK team, works wonders

But im not sure. My bracket has some really high cp people, but in rookie arena at least, im consistently 2nd

[quartz rover]

found a nayuta p1

lets watch the battle

[umbral belfry]

p1 blanc in this vesti riddled environment

[gaunt pulsar]

looks like you dead with that blanc p1

[quartz rover]

my poor blanc got murdered

she was going to burst then got stunned

[gaunt pulsar]

ofc

[umbral belfry]

that makes sense yes lol

[quartz rover]

this is why I dont blanc p1

[gaunt pulsar]

this is why you check for siren

[quartz rover]

I thought I was faster

[gaunt pulsar]

b1 can happen before her stun, b2 hardly

[quartz rover]

but blanc is slow

[umbral belfry]

easiest fix is just putting jack in p1

actually your order by itself is

[quartz rover]

I copied guy above to prove a point

[umbral belfry]

jack vesti blanc rumani helm

ah

personally I like blanc in p4 now due to vesti, but bc there's no vesti here p3 is fine

[quartz rover]

I normally run this way

although maybe helm in p5 would be more burst gen

[umbral belfry]

yes

[quartz rover]

why is vesti so broken in pvp

[umbral belfry]

the amount of times I've seen unlinked p5 lose to sg rosa bc of that mistake

don't be that person

[quartz rover]

it's kinda funny seeing nayuta sit there as the lone survivor

when she's not even a defender

[hexed dragon]

hi, altho spa is over but can anyone recommend me decent pvp team for spa
(update, i have biscuit now)

[quartz rover]

what happens if you put nayuta in p3 and put noise or a taunter in p2

better yet how do taunters even work if they attack in order

[swift mango]

2rl vs not even 3rl team.

[quartz rover]

do you guys know nayuta's burst gen

it's probably like slotting in a liter or siren right

[swift mango]

Just take any SMG gen instead.

[swift mango]

Probably

[quartz rover]

my team is 2rl??

[swift mango]

Hime, the last blue namer.

[quartz rover]

I suppose it does have jackal and helm, thats pretty much 3rl by theirselves

[swift mango]

Yes with all that feeds

[umbral belfry]

[hexed dragon]

bump

[quartz rover]

how do I use bay vs a 2rl scarlet team by the way

[swift mango]

Use 2rl bay

[quartz rover]

will it being 2rl make her burst before scarlet?

wait

[swift mango]

Yes

[quartz rover]

does she heal cover if her cover is broken

[gaunt pulsar]

treasured?

[unique wagon]

Hello

[quartz rover]

yes!

[unique wagon]

Hello

[unique wagon]

Hello

[gaunt pulsar]

then if cover is broken before she bursts yes?

[quartz rover]

look idk if she survives before a 2rl scarlet burst

I avoid scarlet teams when I can

[gaunt pulsar]

just dont put her in p1 and she not gonna die

[quartz rover]

it's also using sanis?

is it even 2rl with sanis

[umbral belfry]

hi kise

[swift mango]

[quartz rover]

nvm this is slow as shit

[swift mango]

This team actually win against SG rosa

[gaunt pulsar]

with feed should be, not sure who you planning to use against though, maybe not

[high stream]

Thats the positioning given on Prydwen. Is it wrong? Ill happily adjust it. I always like to learn

[umbral belfry]

pre vesti I would say it's fine (but also recommended to have bisc to save her).

but now with vesti, if you have a wind in p1-p3 AND if they're invested she's dead pre-burst

[quartz rover]

how's my team

[high stream]

I mean .. this is the specific vesti positioning given .. hold on

[quartz rover]

I know trina gives scarlet a few second indom right

[high stream]

@umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

@high stream example of my vesti

[quartz rover]

idk how to read this

[umbral belfry]

I would change the positions personally. unblanc is not safe v vesti

[high stream]

I hear that. Can you tell me how to change it and why, so i can understand it and learn?

[umbral belfry]

can you show what you're running again? I forgot with my meemaw memory

[quartz rover]

if blanc is in p1 she can be stunned or killed before bursting. you have no other burst 2 if she dies so you dont burst at all

[gaunt pulsar]

each dot is b1 b2 b3

[umbral belfry]

idk why that made me laugh but it did

[quartz rover]

I'm better

you don't need to humble me

[high stream]

@umbral belfry this is my attack and defense team in rookie. In the bracket .. only one person can attack me and win, 2 can defend against me. One of those is the tossen giga whale that is like 700k cp ahead

[hexed dragon]

hi, can anyone recommend me decent comps for spa (altho spa is almost over)?
thanks a lot

[quartz rover]

do you think this team survives a vesti burst

most definitely not right

theres no sniping red hood here 🙁

[umbral belfry]

ty. gimme a sec

[gaunt pulsar]

ein not an instant burst though, but i guess bay burst there should protect you

[quartz rover]

yeah that's why I'm running bay

[high stream]

If it helps, i also have pretty much every nikke except emilia and winter maiden, oh also still no noise lol

[quartz rover]

I heard she's fantastic vs 2rl nukes

[swift mango]

Ah shit Idk if I did the betting...

[umbral belfry]

outside of the vesti warning I told you about, another big reason why p1 blanc isn't recommended (esp on def) is because she's an easy target for siren. blanc is the bread and butter of that comp, and if she's stunned and/or dies you have no indom at all.

suggestion: jack vesti blanc centi helm (in this order) - if your rumani is similar cp to centi then take her out so blanc can be safe in p4

with this order, you're safe from siren stunning as jack will burst beforr stun. AND blanc is safe from vesti (very safe in p4 and somewhat safe in p3 vs vesti)

[quartz rover]

I decided to attack an easier team and forgot rh was in p2 so she ate all bursts

[unique wagon]

Signal N102 Mica Ether Mihara seems like a good team, then increase ur sync to 1001.

[hexed dragon]

thanks

[quartz rover]

@flat fern we out here to bully them

[high stream]

Gotcha, tyvm. So switch Centi with Rumani as well?

[unique wagon]

Whats the issue with Helm P3 btw, indom steal?

Or just too much damage to link?

[quartz rover]

you can steal indom?

[umbral belfry]

if she doesn't completely dip your cp, then yes

[high stream]

I should be able to do that with same cp

[umbral belfry]

my issue wasn't really much with helm p3, but too much damage to link (v vesti) can be deadly yes.

my concern was p1 unlinked blanc

[gaunt pulsar]

insane over commitment for that t2 is it his cp padding team?

[quartz rover]

yeah

[umbral belfry]

I see that as a much bigger issue than p3 helm

[quartz rover]

I was going to hit t1 with it but saw t2 was slow as shit and padded

so I swapped it over to t2 without checking really

[umbral belfry]

go for it

[swift mango]

I feel like Nayuta could replace XAnne and Poli in SG team. What do ya think?

[quartz rover]

but I just got xanne

[gaunt pulsar]

in p1? i was thinking about it, would require to have rosa s2 at 10 probably to be safe

[quartz rover]

isn't she cool? I got her during the rerun 🙁

[lunar pawn]

just noticed no keripo this season

[shell hazel]

he died to some weird afk cooks lol

[lunar pawn]

yea

[gaunt pulsar]

you would use her anyway, nayuta not gonna be locked in sg team for CA, so different cooks with her will happen

[shell hazel]

how did they work in the top 8?

[quartz rover]

why is she in sg teams anyway? isnt she a rl

[hexed dragon]

so it's just i don't have enough characters to do spa, right?
aight, thanks a lot kisenyan

[gaunt pulsar]

who, xanne? chonky attack buff on burst helps for sg nuke, also revives dead unit which most of the time is inevitable in sg matches as far as i can tell.

[shell hazel]

eh I think you could make something out of that

would it be triple 2RL teams with vesti nukes in each team? no, but I've seen worse lol

[hexed dragon]

it's fine, i won't touch spa even if i have the comp

[shell hazel]

you got jackal and vesti etc you make some OK teams there

[quartz rover]

I remember blood cooking a team with anis and a mass produced nikke for me when I first started

[shell hazel]

anis is legit - especially at low sync

where you can get away with it and just have her for burst gen

[shell hazel]

why not? free gems

[quartz rover]

N102 is usable too right? Her stats are just low

[gaunt pulsar]

we have dude with 2sg teams in CA that i see, one uses Neon

[hexed dragon]

sorry, my bad
i got stressed with uni stuff + got mald for getting no SSR from nayuta pull session today
so i said some unnecessary stuff

[shell hazel]

mainly basic b1 or b2 whatever she is for campaign until you get someone better

[hexed dragon]

so can you suggest just OK comps in the upcoming spa?

forgot to say that i got biscuit from normal banner

[quartz rover]

I'm sure someone will be able to help you yeah

[shell hazel]

I can take a look but it will be about 3 hours I'm working atm

[quartz rover]

biscuit is goated

[hexed dragon]

you can reply at any time

[shell hazel]

otherwise someone else may be able to help meanwhile

[hexed dragon]

i have to stay up till 3 for projects and stuff

[shell hazel]

feel free to ping me after 3 hours from now if I froget 🐸

[hexed dragon]

sure

[shell hazel]

btw - my advice is mileage a nayuta

if you have enough, and a liberalio if you can

how much gold mileage have you got?

[hexed dragon]

only 280

[shell hazel]

we also get 21 free pulls in total so you could wait and see if you get a free one

same for liberalio and RH on the selector banner

[quartz rover]

don't mileage them yet, do the daily free pulls you may get super lucky

[hexed dragon]

cuz i spent 480 pulls worth of gems on normal banner since i started playing

[shell hazel]

yeah, just 1% banners are pretty rough typically mileage is the advice for them

[quartz rover]

^ I did over 200 pulls on serendipity doro, the summer pilgrim which is 1% and had to mileage her

[hexed dragon]

thanks for the advice

[hexed dragon]

cuz nikke is my first gacha game that uses spark so seeing no gold during pulls did make me mald

[quartz rover]

I prefer the way nikke does it

it sucks sometimes but having a permanent guaranteed ssr of your choice when you have 200 gold mileage is nice

[hexed dragon]

i hate to admit that i agree to the statement

i'm used to be a hoyo player

[flat fern]

it took me 160 to pull and it never happened again 😔

[hexed dragon]

so i'm so used to the hoyo pity

[flat fern]

even got my first all blue pulls on this banner

[quartz rover]

the thing about nikke is they give pulls like crazy, I remember playing genshin a long time ago and they were VERY stingy with primo

like even the codes you get gave like 30

[hexed dragon]

they were, and the exploration made me fatigue

so i stopped playing any open-world games

[shell hazel]

yeah I stopped playing wuwa same reason

too much manual play as well

[quartz rover]

the mountains in genshin drove me up a wall. literally

[gritty ridge]

Whale hunting time

[flat fern]

50/50 pity made me crashout

hu tao banner, gave me diluc, never played again

[quartz rover]

you can hit aldaria when they inveitably take 2 back

[gritty ridge]

@shell hazel you wanna take a look at a weird interaction for me?

[quartz rover]

although I have another attempt, we gonna drain their gems durring anni

[flat fern]

already hit them on 3

[quartz rover]

this surface stuff is difficult

I found its better to wait 5 hours at a hospital than have a nikke die and take 20

[lunar pawn]

does surface content have dailies or?

[quartz rover]

no but it has a outpost type thing

[fast nest]

I came to final

[quartz rover]

where you claim resources

[gaunt pulsar]

i'm not a cook, someone will do it better, but from what you have this seems like your best options, team1>team2>team3, 3rd team is just a bunch of nothing to bump combat power as much as possible to somewhat force those who will attack you to raise their power themselves

[lunar pawn]

aha

[austere marsh]

Good morning friends

[lunar pawn]

still finishing up story, still gotta do the event after I'm done

[gaunt pulsar]

gl with that dude, hope you win, his t1 annoys me seeing

[fast nest]

Tyty.

T1?

[gaunt pulsar]

team 1

[fast nest]

My squad?

[gaunt pulsar]

his

[fast nest]

Who top? Bottom?

[shell hazel]

I think it looks pretty good @hexed dragon - maybe adjust the position of siren on t3 so she's a bit safu-er

[gaunt pulsar]

depends on who you are

[fast nest]

[gaunt pulsar]

top or bot

[gritty ridge]

Youre the wrong color

[fast nest]

Me top.

[gritty ridge]

Go back to green

[gaunt pulsar]

i see, yea, still annoys me then but it's just banter, no matter what gl to both of you ||and on your 4th win ||

[fast nest]

Tyty

[gaunt pulsar]

yea, salad was quite pretty worst one next

[gritty ridge]

Just yap and become ourple

[unique wagon]

I hope this is sarcasm

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit can you take a look at these and tell me what happened

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-gif-15190379

good luck

[fast nest]

Tyty

[wild hemlock]

Anyone else have 2 people who don't hit each other and only hit you in sp arena? No just me?

[hexed dragon]

@shell hazel @gaunt pulsar thanks for the comp recommendation
also i have a question: what is safu?

[hexed dragon]

maybe

[fast nest]

There are some ways preventing from that situation.

1. Give up
2. Fight against them even though you use jewel.
3. Muscle up with core dust cash pack.

[wild hemlock]

1 of them is my eternal rival for many seasons. After last shuffle a new person joined the fight for 3rd/4th and for some reason they actually don't hit eachother. Had to test to make sure I wasn't missing it and yeah they only hit me

[quartz rover]

what's your ign

[wild hemlock]

R u my rival

[quartz rover]

what is your name in the game

it could just be someone else

[gaunt pulsar]

he meant "safe", move her to the right, so she is position 3 and naga p2

[hexed dragon]

ah ok

thanks a lot

[sullen matrix]

Nayuta for pvp is good?

[quartz rover]

@wild hemlock I am not your rival, I checked your message history and not even close to that sync. we don't even have emi in our server

[gritty ridge]

But youre my rival

@wild hemlock we're gonna fight if you think youre stealing my rival

[quartz rover]

don't make me do an all nayuta comp

[gritty ridge]

The humble biscuit blanc

[wild hemlock]

[quartz rover]

I wonder if 5 nayuta could even die

[shell hazel]

if you get nayuta and build her she would also work good on team 3 for just holding position 1 on her own

[gritty ridge]

The humble blanc p1 with biscuit

[quartz rover]

I'm kinda glad that my server doesnt have emi

I feel like pvp would be much harder to defend

[hexed dragon]

sadly i only have 1 full set of pilgrim support gear and it's all in siren, so maybe in the future i will full OL her

[gritty ridge]

Your server is gonna have me after this shuffle

[quartz rover]

you dont need to overload her yet billy, she has battle start 8 seconds of immunity to damage

so if you place her in p1 on your third team they wont be able to hit position 3-5 unless they have snipers

or aoe burst

[gritty ridge]

The humble vesti

[hexed dragon]

i mean, i'm crownless

[quartz rover]

crown isnt very good in pvp anyway

[gritty ridge]

Whats that got to do with pvp silly

[quartz rover]

but crownless does suck, shes super nice for pve

[umbral belfry]

is it nana

[hexed dragon]

my bad, OL her for the future

in raids or sth

[quartz rover]

crown is a defender pilgrim so she wont take the gear nayuta wants

[hexed dragon]

i just assume crown never comes home so i just cope with what i have

[quartz rover]

you just gotta believe

@gritty ridge was there when I pulled her on a 150 gem daily standard banner pull

[gritty ridge]

Thats how I pulled mine too

[limber patrol]

what's Nayuta burst gen?

[hexed dragon]

i only believe the worst thing that will happen for me

[quartz rover]

probably similar to your standard smgs

[limber patrol]

is it the same as Siren?

[wild hemlock]

Nah I don't think any of my sp arena rivals are in here

[quartz rover]

shrug

[gaunt pulsar]

yea, liter/siren standard single smg

[umbral belfry]

[hexed dragon]

well, good for you

[shell hazel]

if it involves watching matches it would have to be a bit later as I'm working

[keen vapor]

I ain't betting on Eon ever again

[umbral belfry]

he got booped

[wild hemlock]

I've been running the gauntlet

[valid inlet]

@wild hemlock is my CA rivals now instead, we met 3 times already, I have 1W 2L so far

[wild hemlock]

Had to beat nana, orange, eon before finals

[umbral belfry]

[valid inlet]

Good luck for final

[umbral belfry]

w CA rivalry and gl

[keen vapor]

[umbral belfry]

I got out in top 8 again

[wild hemlock]

I skimmed my finals matchup and I'm pretty sure I win but idk think I'm 50/50 on predictions

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[gritty ridge]

#team-building message

[gritty ridge]

Thats exactly what it involves, have a good day at work

[shell hazel]

i'll be around later for sure

[valid inlet]

I bet on you but not 100% sure neither

[wild hemlock]

Let's not fight each other so early again pls

Was a bit too close

[limber patrol]

I need help cooking.
Want to make better the Nayuta team but can't make the others weaker...

[umbral belfry]

your t3 is free eats for vesti

[limber patrol]

don't worry about combat power in Nayuta team, it will be at like 850k once I finish building Nayuta

[umbral belfry]

think it's too soon to cook for nayuta rn imo

[quartz rover]

[limber patrol]

idk yet, Nayuta kinda broken or bugged. she doesn't have OL or doll yet and did all of this lol

[umbral belfry]

but 2rl scar (scar trina rh/siren clip rl jack
2-3rl noise noah cindy
indom team should be fine for you

[quartz rover]

nayuta has 8 second indom on battle start

[limber patrol]

9

[quartz rover]

very long time

[limber patrol]

and she does aoe nuke and then more aoe

the team will be around her

if I can get her to 2RL, it must be great.

[umbral belfry]

just don't have blanc and noah on the same team

[limber patrol]

it works

[umbral belfry]

not even talking about you just instant dying to vesti, it's a giant waste on noah

all she's doing is burst gen when another b2 can (centi, anis)

but if I saw that t3 I'm either just noah bisc or I'm just using vesti to wipe you

very easy to beat

[wild hemlock]

Eon had his team's placed nearly the same as the finals player and I won 4/5 so I think the odds are good. I think I win my vesti and scarlet matchup for sure. Then the other ones are all possible winners

[limber patrol]

if I use a normal RL I can make it 2RL like the other teams but then I lost huge red hood buffs...

[umbral belfry]

I wouldn't even use sbs on def sp really that's just a free win

I suggested 2rl scar and either 2-3rl noise noah cindy. as for nayuta you can either wait for tests or just slow cindy nayuta maybe?

the only known cook I've seen is slow cindy nayuta or absolute trio nayuta + emi

regardless imo it's the 2nd day, too early to try out more cooks

but regardless for your teams I wouldn't put sbs on def

you're gone to either noah bisc, siren stunning her, or vesti just kills your p1-p3

if you want to use that for attack then fine

[limber patrol]

Noah not eating Siren stun?

[umbral belfry]

if a siren is in p3-p5 she stuns sbs

bc noah splash isn't hitting her there

[limber patrol]

and it's 2 indomitable teams, they might kill one but not the other

[umbral belfry]

but that's dependent on the attack team, you're still losing to noah bisc

[umbral belfry]

if you're fighting a very well invested vesti (indom or stall), you're not making it to indom

4 atk with 3-4 ele you're gone preburst

[limber patrol]

this would work great for Nayuta but idk if SBS will reach 2.5RL

[umbral belfry]

I can see use in the 2nd team but at that point I'd put p1 nayuta and p2 helm

the 1st team I can't agree to blanc and noah in the same team sorry lol

[limber patrol]

will it reach 2.5RL with jackal feed or not?

[gritty ridge]

Fully depends on attacking team

[umbral belfry]

it's attack team dependent but due to you needing 9% to reach it likely

but can't say always

[limber patrol]

I just can't get rid of Red Hood... why is her burst gen so low?

[gritty ridge]

If they hit you with the 2rl sniper execution squad its over for you

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

Where's the other ones

[umbral belfry]

2rl all RLs

[placid bloom]

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

2RL Helm nuke links

[wild hemlock]

Ok my guess is I win 2, 4, 5. 4 I'm not certain on but I beat the last shotgun team so...

[umbral belfry]

that too

[gritty ridge]

Hear me out

[limber patrol]

if I get rid of SBS, what team can I make?

[placid bloom]

why we bursting Drake

this is new tech

[limber patrol]

it's not in order

[umbral belfry]

I already suggested teams 😭

I go back to story before reset

[limber patrol]

Drake is there just for burst gen

double indomitable + Scarlet nuke seems good to me because they don't have 3 Noahs, but I can't get them all to 2RL...

idk if I can get SBS' team to 2.5RL if I make Nayuta's 2RL

and if I get rid of Red Hood, Nayuta carry might not be enough

[shrewd ravine]

hey guys hows my arena team? i made it while checking out the tier list. should i move any from their position?

[limber patrol]

if I had VestiT, I could make SBS 2.5RL easily or a 2RL VestiT team instead

[limber patrol]

why is red hood there?

[shrewd ravine]

she is S tier in the site 🙂 i have Sanis too but have not built her gear/skills yet

or Sbs and ein too if they're better than red hood. all are in S tier for pvp tho

[shell hazel]

another case of prydwen leading people astray 😄

[limber patrol]

[shrewd ravine]

ohh i was told to check that list out

[limber patrol]

you need to read what they do

not what tier they are on on a misleading website

[shell hazel]

it's fine just you have to know how the units work, tier alone won't help you

and s.anis is too high on the list but we had that argument with them the other day 😄

no one really runs s.anis much anymore, she's no longer as strong as she once was

red hood is good also but she's mainly a buffer, or backup burst

RH b1 is very strong and so naturally she can amp your damage dealers, or if another burst dies she's there to cover it

[shrewd ravine]

Oh ok

[placid bloom]

tier list doesn't really work for PvP. There's basically a list of units that everyone uses, and then there's a list of units that you can maybe use if a team is fast enough to allow it

[limber patrol]

I ended up doing this.

[placid bloom]

and everything else is unused

[limber patrol]

all 2RL

[shell hazel]

yeah I mean B or C tier or lower may as well all be in F tier

[limber patrol]

well, I might need jackal feed on the last team

[placid bloom]

it doesn't matter if a battery is SSS tier or SS tier or S tier

they are mandatory units because of how PvP works

so rating it makes 0 diff if it's going on your team anyway

you either have them or you don't

[shrewd ravine]

well what i am going for is a team that survive and lets my tvesti burst cuz she is my main dps everywhere. so i came up with that lineup. I used to have siren but got jackal a couple days back.

and i dont understnad the 3.5rl and % thing 🙁

[placid bloom]

RL is current time in combat

% is your burst gauge at current time in combat

so if you have 50% gauge at 2RL, that means you have generated 50% of your burst gauge 2 rocket shots into the fight

[shell hazel]

I see 3 tiers of pvp units in reality
1 - units you always want to run
2 - units that are more niche/situational (siren stun, soda stun, nero DR, rh b1 etc)
3 - units that have OK gen and usage but are more for if you lack built options. Stuff like m.anchor can work for example here.
else F tier

[placid bloom]

if you have 100% gauge at 2RL that means you are bursting 2 shots into the fight

[shrewd ravine]

ohhh

[placid bloom]

most fights can be decided just by bursting faster

[heady trout]

Just got RH so what team should i build her?

[placid bloom]

but there's some matchups that are tanky enough to survive even if you burst slower

that's something you will learn as you learn individual unit kits

[shrewd ravine]

hmm so the picture where my team at 2.5rl is 92.6%, is there a way to make it 100%?

[placid bloom]

which one\

[shrewd ravine]

this one.

[placid bloom]

not with that positioning

you can get it to 2.5RL if you put Vesti in p1

to get Jackal feed

[limber patrol]

15% charge speed on rocket launcher nikke like Jackal or Noah
but tbh make a different team

[placid bloom]

but otherwise you'd have to cut RH

[shrewd ravine]

doesnt p1 get attacked first tho

[placid bloom]

yes, and Jackal has HP share

so Vesti is less likely to die

Jackal will also generate burst as you take hits from the HP share

but unless you cut RH, you are relying on your opponent feeding into Jackal

actually if you get 5% charge speed on Vesti it's probably enough tbh

to be natural 2.5RL without feed

[shrewd ravine]

ok i dont get everything. but i need to get charge speed up for vesti from gear yea?

[placid bloom]

yeah

at least 1 roll of 4.6% since it'll round to 5%

[shrewd ravine]

this one i dont get

[placid bloom]

Jackal has a passive that applies a debuff to an enemy every 10 hits taken. This counts as a hit by Jackal, so it generates burst. Any damage shared through the HP link contributes towards the hitcount.

it's an extra 3.45% gauge for free every 10 hits from the enemy

so weapons like shotguns that split their single attack into 10 pellets can single handedly trigger the proc every shot

that's called feeding

[shrewd ravine]

Ohhh

[placid bloom]

fast fire rate weapons like MGs and SMGs are also no good

ARs are not great either, and most people will set up their team so that having an AR will feed them to 2RL

single shot units like RL/SR are the way

[heady trout]

Bruh

[shrewd ravine]

well my team is all RL or SR so i guess its fine in that dept 🙂

i will just post my roster and maybe you can give me an alternate team to try out if its ok with you.

[gritty ridge]

<@&946725432554836008>

Blast em

[ocean temple]

Hello pvp chat. Long time no talk.

Behold this beatiful whale I spooted in it's natural habitate off in the rookie arena sea

[halcyon zodiac]

just got some new units and i need pvp teams, anyone could cook for me please

[gritty ridge]

Oh hey I know that guy i think

[covert lintel]

I think makima indom is still better than nayuta because of its activation

Indom makima won't be active as long as she's full hp, meanwhile nayuta active at the start of battle

[quick lake]

But Nayuta more dmg

[lusty gull]

[shell hazel]

[covert lintel]

Yes, that's her advantage

[gaunt pulsar]

my rookie after reshuffle looks insane, seems like everyone from top 1 to top 40 in spa is now there, previously it was like maybe 5-6 active people, now there alot

[sinful quarry]

Yo, can someone help me out? Which side do you think is winning this pvp? I’m one match away from that win all frame

[tropic summit]

the teams are essentially the exact same copypasta... amazing

[tropic summit]

i'd go

50/50, leaning right because they force burst earlier out of left
R
L
R
L

get more opinions tho

[gritty ridge]

I cant believe rail ignore my cry for help

He hate me

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-snake-sup-hello-gif-12026341

@tropic summit

[sinful quarry]

Was thinking the same, but it's a tough one for me (still lacking pvp knowledge), so I've decided to ask more people what they think

[tropic summit]

hold your tatas i'm checkin' just came home and out of shower

[old mural]

today is the ultimate test for my internet, downloading 20 gigs 2 hrs before server reset

it's stuck on 4.8 gigs ggs

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit dark serpent is pertty straight forward, rotate burst as fast as possible

[umbral belfry]

t1 rng time
t2 likely r but possible for l to win
t3 r
t4 l
t5 r

i hope you like gambling

[covert lintel]

I'd say left(atker) win 3
His team position is better

[umbral belfry]

I haven't seen moran noah win to non indom vestis personally

at least not in my bracket

and both vestis look better than avg cp wise

whether they have high atk

[ocean temple]

I'm sure they're nice, but I don't even belong in the same zip code lol

[tropic summit]

round 2 wants you to ideally avoid killing mihara and force her to burst instead
alternatively delete the whole team minus jackal and blanc, but then you've to hold for the length of biscuit invulnerability, which is generally fine on blanc buff, unless they get indom going

try the easier delete approach: (scarlet)
scar blanc rh laplaceT jackal

the important info here is whether blanc is linked or not though, if not linked could be punished by vestiTU instead

that's up to you, i've no interest in CA and have not invested in CA core units, probably won't (SGs aren't done, nero moran were never done, i just got vestiTU finished, my xmaiden has no CS%, my bay is untreasured, i don't have soda built)

current stall meta has changed to

moran noah helmt rh laplace/flexDPS
or
noise vestiTU xmaiden bay jackal
or (still stable)
noise noah cindy biscuit rumani (noise taunt priority)

[tropic summit]

you already cleared it?

[hollow lagoon]

2sec remaining man

[tropic summit]

oh nice, new def working wonders

some ppl posted some variants with nayuta p1 as flex B2 for the sole sake of soaking damage

[hollow lagoon]

o interesting

sbs needed level 7 tempura cube

[tropic summit]

1st match

-you killed vesti and helmt via early pressure (rosanna + scarlet)
-same speed RL, noah casts, can't do much with it, your scarlet is stunned by siren as you lack correct ammo count(if rookie check the option is enabled)

2nd match
looks about the same

3rd match
enemy running joke team, rosanna diffed

[gritty ridge]

Im asking why scar got stunned

[tropic summit]

ammo count

[umbral belfry]

I told u bigboi

[gritty ridge]

Third match also has siren

[tropic summit]

you're not in cover when she proccs

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

you're 1.5RL ish

you're already on B3 when siren didn't even hit ammo count on you

[gritty ridge]

Ive tested multiple teams with siren and this is the only time scar has ever stunned

[shell hazel]

yeah it's why I think I could safely reset nero for now, can always pile skills back in later, will let me boost liberalio etc

[gritty ridge]

Thats why I put it in here

[tropic summit]

the birth of a pve main

[tropic summit]

it's always about speed and ammo count

if for w/e reason you hit B3 before ammo count, you're not stunned
if you hit B3 while you're in cover, you're not stunned

[flat fern]

this CA betting is a pain

[umbral belfry]

hippo resetting nero

[flat fern]

could've been on the track for the win all cheers frame 😭

[gritty ridge]

Yeah thats what im saying, ive had my friend run a low feed team with p5 siren and scar covered stun

Yes hime

Red circle

[sinful quarry]

I do like gamba but that whole arena was already so hard to predict and now I'm in finals one final step before gold frame and I'm getting "whoever wins round 1 wins the whole match" predictions

[tropic summit]

is that rookie or CA

[gritty ridge]

Thats spa

[tropic summit]

then if you're 2RL and have the right ammo count, you're not stunned

[umbral belfry]

it does seem that way yes

I feel like t5 sgs are gonna backsh*t centi to death and then rosa snipes scar

[gritty ridge]

Yeah im thinking noah taunt drag is making scar shoot like 2-3 frames slower and its making me get stunned when normally I wouldnt

[umbral belfry]

even if the moran's do beat vesti it's

?
likely r but could be l
l
r
r

so t1 likely decides it

[tropic summit]

this whole headache is easily avoided by stopping to rely on scarlet p1 tbh

i run scarlet with well over 200% ammo OL

you now have access to vestiTU anyway, play around with that when facing siren

[gritty ridge]

Can't run rosa in p1 now can I rail

[tropic summit]

you can if she links with jackal

[gritty ridge]

Really?

[tropic summit]

rosa jackal flex flex flex, she does not lose conceal and u get ur rosanna B1

[gritty ridge]

Oh I didnt know

[sinful quarry]

yea and I'm leaning more towards left side cause of the CP diff on his Mihara/Cindi but does it even matter?

[tropic summit]

obviously that's vulnerable to taunters so keep it in mind

[gritty ridge]

I thought the splash would deactivate her

[tropic summit]

only if she's not linked

[umbral belfry]

not really for that match

[gritty ridge]

Ill try it out i suppose, cuz I still plan to run scar rosa on defense for spa

[tropic summit]

i've ran rosa p1 in a lot of rookie defenses and you'll be surprised how many ppl needlessly struggle with that

[gritty ridge]

I will say that p4 taunt prio noah is very uncommon

[tropic summit]

in fact my current SParena defense has a rosa linked p1

i've a dude that has failed 20 attacks against it now

[gritty ridge]

Alright well im going to lunch with my family so ill talk to yall more later

[tropic summit]

enjoy yer meal

[umbral belfry]

@sinful quarry honestly I would lean r winning overall due to t2, t5, and either t3 or t4. but maybe rng will hate him

[sinful quarry]

T5 sgs while on def always attack position 5?

[tropic summit]

don't forget to play your daily civilization game

[umbral belfry]

def sgs are hitting centi

meaning the moment centi dies rosa is gonna snipe scar

[quartz rover]

I wanted that money

[umbral belfry]

now if rosa dies before she can b1 that's another story. but sr15 rosa gives her a higher chance to live

[quartz rover]

I'd say I hate it but it gave me like 7 rocks and I only did one sector

[umbral belfry]

I haven't even started yet

[swift mango]

@tropic summit I can safely say they fixed Vesti synch.

Feel like other units still working fine though.

[tropic summit]

imagine making this game, but removing the cool combat and just leaving the chibi exploration and autofiring

[umbral belfry]

is it at least fun?

[tropic summit]

this is just optimal asset re-usage so far

[tropic summit]

i'm falling asleep slowly so far... waiting for it to get "fun" atm

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

intended feature is gone

[swift mango]

My Vesti Noah team is 2rl now because they no longer one shot cover.

[placid bloom]

it's very boring rock farm

[swift mango]

Feel bad for Dair. I shouldn't have told him how to do synch shot and he even reduced his Emi CS by 3%.
Just so he got no chance to use it in CA.

[placid bloom]

reminds me of Kancolle gameplay

you are just waiting on stamina and repair timer

[umbral belfry]

at least there's rocks

[swift mango]

I did one random change this CA to helmT position and it ended up with me losing that match up because of the position changed .... Should have been another good season with Vesti synched shot and possibly getting Champ before losing it. haiz

[tropic summit]

well that was a risk i always mentioned

[tropic summit]

rip, but now you can mess around with nayuta instead

[swift mango]

I told him to forget about Emi. And just synch with LapT lol. But he wanted to commit

[swift mango]

Nah, That won't do.

I'm too brick to get her

[tropic summit]

you actually skipping her?

that's wild

[sand crest]

who is losing out of the two finalists in champion arena i need the frame 🙏

alternatively i bet a 50/50 because i dont know shit about pvp

[swift mango]

Nah she gonna skipping me

[covert lintel]

Sync shot finally gone?

[frank ingot]

how to win against this in rookie?

[swift mango]

Definitely gone for Vesti. For other units though, who knows.

[covert lintel]

That's same as my rookie defense

[frank ingot]

oh

[covert lintel]

so there's still hope for others?

[covert lintel]

how can he copy my team

[charred wedge]

We can cook a team for nayuta?

[frank ingot]

I thought it was you, but this guy is way below than your sync lvl.

and idk how he copy your team

[covert lintel]

It's fine even if you're in my bracket

[swift mango]

Basically you go slow Cindy on this

Rumani+Blanc+Midhara+Biscuit:Cindy

[covert lintel]

@frank ingot

[swift mango]

Could use Siren p4 instead of Midhara p3 too. Doesn't matter

[tropic summit]

or just kill blanc in p2

vestiTU + 1 more splasher, with a biscuit + noah

assuming that rosanna aint on 40%+atk tho

[frank ingot]

ok, I will try those. Thank you

[tropic summit]

no indom no party @swift mango

[swift mango]

That is if your Vesti isn't killed by Rossana.

[tropic summit]

would need to be a stocked rosanna to kill vesti on FULL hp on temperance and SR doll

[covert lintel]

4x crit rosanna

[tropic summit]

and then you wake up

x4 atk
x4 crit damage
x4 crit rate

all black lines

🍿

raidboss rosanna unlocked

[covert lintel]

Unfortunately mine is x2 atk x1 crit x4 ED

I want to find another crit but rip rocks

[tropic summit]

time to grind that surface content

[covert lintel]

Oh the reward is rocks?

[sand crest]

surface content when it takes 20 hours to revive a nikke

[placid bloom]

don't let them die

it only takes 4 hours to heal a squad from like 10% HP

if you let them die like me you will be bricked for days

[gritty ridge]

Im back

[haughty mortar]

Guess what guys? That brain rot dude I sniper before patch spent gems to guarantee 3rd place! What a genius!

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit @shell hazel

that stage is cancer incarnate

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-emiya-thats-hell-youre-walking-into-gif-27052445

[short moon]

@worthy sorrel congrats on your w 💪

[fathom rock]

@umbral belfry who winning ça ?

[fathom rock]

37-35 is skippable
38-32 is not
Both same thing
Btw vestiTU and fast Burst gen bulldose it

[worthy sorrel]

was not expecting
and don't know how this happened

[fathom rock]

Drake Draked, simple enough

[worthy sorrel]

small indy game. pls understand

[lusty gull]

i'm also disappointed each time that happens

[short moon]

Were you on def?

[worthy sorrel]

attacking. expected poli to eat everything

[short moon]

Maybe your rosana said no to indom

[worthy sorrel]

[tropic summit]

should i box and hit MC on 481

[fathom rock]

How rushed are you

[tropic summit]

as in competition? they slackin'

31-36 for the 2 chinnits, 32-32 for the non chinnit lower clearer

[fathom rock]

Would you survive till feb

[tropic summit]

negative sir

[fathom rock]

Go for it

[tropic summit]

padderoni maccaroni

[tropic summit]

<@&946725432554836008>

[umbral belfry]

I feel like it's close but I believe in cup for the pies

[hollow lagoon]

if u yeet mc and get to behemoth u can get 102

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

ye i might just do, but not because of min/maxing, it is a personal thing with MC

[quartz rover]

it was indom vs indom LOL

nayuta could've totally killed vesti if her indom lasted longer

[tropic summit]

assuming you indom on 2RL, nayuta runs out at around halfway through burst, this is useful info

[quartz rover]

I'm not sure what my rl is

I have some charge speed but not 15 on one nikke

[flat fern]

bro dumped stuff into nayuta fast

[quartz rover]

12.37% on jackal, 4.92% on vesti, 7.78% on helmt

[flat fern]

also had to do indom vs indom lmao

[tropic summit]

can't go wrong throwing stuff at nayuta, she'll definetely be in wind SRs for a while

[flat fern]

indeed but that burst can do some damage sheeesh

[tropic summit]

oh ye definitely

[placid bloom]

yeah it doesn't matter, 2RL Blanc casts at 3.5s so you have 10s indom vs 5.5s indom

[quartz rover]

nayuta single handedly soloed a ex stage mother whale for me

she's really strong

[placid bloom]

Nayuta is never winning that

[quartz rover]

I saw mother whale and I was like "i'm never beating this" and did it first try

[flat fern]

ayyy cleared mirror container?

[quartz rover]

yeah, all I needed was 261

used like 10 rocks and didnt get the ele damage for cindy unfortunately

this was the mother whale ex stage thing

[tropic summit]

more dps than your cindy wut

was that stage wind code weak?

[quartz rover]

yep, it was elec weak too

[tropic summit]

dafuq

[quartz rover]

i have no idea, all the others have sr15 dolls and 4ol

she has 2 and a r6 doll

[lethal karma]

tried a spar just now and 2nd team lost w 113.3k vs 98.2k difference

didnt get the chance yesterday, only knew just now

[tropic summit]

would be nice to see replay

vestiTU on deficit advantage failing to kill there is kinda peculiar

[lethal karma]

i dont think it's enough deficit tbh, only around 13%

[tropic summit]

oh that makes more sense

did opponent level up between the time i provided the teams to you and today then

because i remember it being larger

either way can strategize differently if we can't abuse deficit

[lethal karma]

exactly this matchup, only mine went up to 113.3k

[tropic summit]

you can still hit them or is there someone else higher up?

[lethal karma]

you mean another player between three options? the one im fighting rn is the highest, funnily enough with the lowest power

[tropic summit]

hmm ok, post your box and the matchups again we can take a different approach

[lethal karma]

ye

1st team managed to win

[tropic summit]

looks like they don't have a real indom vesti tho, jackal is dolless

might be able to punish it anyway

[jagged mesa]

my faith is shaken

where ??????????

hime doko ????????????

[lethal karma]

switch t2 w t3?

[umbral belfry]

sp trust

[quartz rover]

shuffle happened a couple days ago

[jagged mesa]

but yeah here i am back at final round 50/50 for the 5th or 6th time now (i lost count)

[placid bloom]

if Piggy slayed less than 3 champions before finals it's a loss

go back and count the kills

[lethal karma]

my t2 should get deficit buff vs their t3

[quartz rover]

check their kd

[umbral belfry]

then i guess cup wins

[jagged mesa]

this is how i cast my 50/50?

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

Idk, you think I look at matchups before betting?

I haven't done that since like s3

[jagged mesa]

frame-haver privilege

[umbral belfry]

OK if kuwon is wrong, rob him ash

[quartz rover]

rob him anyway

[placid bloom]

you can have the frame if I pull Noah from my floor 300 mold

[jagged mesa]

i need noah as well so ill yoink that too thanks

[quartz rover]

we all need noah

[umbral belfry]

I too would like a noah

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/noah-laugh-nikke-pilgrim-kusogaki-gacha-game-gif-16829301136255588421

[jagged mesa]

[umbral belfry]

then I'll be at c7

[jagged mesa]

blocked

[umbral belfry]

[quartz rover]

added to the opp list

[jagged mesa]

ok i finally have time to actually play, time to push campaign and jump to 361

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[jagged mesa]

i meant push as in normal campaign

[placid bloom]

you didn't clear to 42 within an hour of patch, bricked

[jagged mesa]

unless theres a massive wall again

[placid bloom]

I mean I just quick battled

[umbral belfry]

I'm still in 41

very lazy and sleepy

[placid bloom]

until like 10 nodes before the end, my CP ran out

[quartz rover]

i beat mc just to find out volleyballs exist

[jagged mesa]

wtf is your cp

[quartz rover]

but nayuta has been trivializing those levels

[jagged mesa]

🧱

[placid bloom]

660k when I was quick battling I think

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

it's 670k now after popping boxes

[jagged mesa]

o wtf, is the cp requirement that low

[placid bloom]

it was 650k until like halfway through ch42 I think

near the end it's like 685k

[jagged mesa]

muh content.......................................

[quartz rover]

this is day 3?? I wonder if the other two are useful

[jagged mesa]

so i dont even get to struggle against the bosses... sigh....

this is no bueno

[placid bloom]

I mean the last boss actually hits kinda hard even at 3% deficit

I still auto'd it but

[tropic summit]

try this next

[placid bloom]

I saw my Nikke go to like 5% HP after getting hit by the AoE

I was like holy shit

anyway, press Helm to heal

[umbral belfry]

holy iron

[tight finch]

wouldnt that be wipe mechanic they have to hate on auto battlers. Having gray circle in center of screen

[placid bloom]

I somehow didn't pop the grey circle

even though I was on SDoro

[jagged mesa]

am i event mini-game bricked because i skipped first day

[placid bloom]

yes, you lost 1 core dust box

-1h idiot

[jagged mesa]

[jagged mesa]

i ran my outpost to 38h last week

[shell hazel]

I think I will prob reset nero skills for now, she's about the only unit I never seem to use anymore in my main list

[tropic summit]

ye cp looks good, give it a shot, if you can record the match

[placid bloom]

more importantly, if you didn't do surface exploration

you are -40 rock pity box

[quartz rover]

the days in the minigame are minigame locked

[jagged mesa]

serious?

[placid bloom]

there goes 40% of a rock sir

[quartz rover]

they dont use real life days

[lethal karma]

i wont record this one prob, i'll just view and see what happens

[umbral belfry]

bricked gg quit the game

[jagged mesa]

ok so wtf are my dailies now then

i have to do the new surface content (idk what that even is ??????)

[tropic summit]

don't forget to check who links in the jackal team, linked unit drake probably and she can stay p1, whoever is the other link goes p5

[placid bloom]

2 rocks every 5 days

much rewards

[tropic summit]

it's a lot of clickin' around

[jagged mesa]

im bout to crash out and flame hime

[quartz rover]

where is this???

[umbral belfry]

I'm bricked

[placid bloom]

I am now 1 Kraken run ahead of you bricked people

[quartz rover]

banned

[umbral belfry]

let's just quit

[quartz rover]

reported to shift up police

[lethal karma]

forgot to do that but won regardless; 1st team SBS took the most damage but lived, 2nd battle was way tougher with their red hood being the one last alive

[umbral belfry]

tia with siren and rosa

how I miss the days of early baby pvp

[tropic summit]

yeah this is something i didn't make you use yet, effective on B3 that are single target focused like RH

moran = taunts
biscuit = gives 1 stack to moran at first, she's invulnerable for 5s
biscuit = gives 1 stack again to moran after those 5s, for another 5s

essentially you'll hold RH still while alice wipes from p5 onward (as she's not taunted)

[quartz rover]

jackal, naga, and drake were linked

alice shoots p5 onwards because she's a sniper

[lethal karma]

kool

thx yall again

[tropic summit]

in a sense those are maybe the most fun, as ppl don't have the usual meta ones

which allows to get far more creative solutions

[umbral belfry]

🐤 me when I was but a wee lass asking rail for pvp help

[shell hazel]

damn new nikke?

[quartz rover]

colorscheme looks like sbs

[umbral belfry]

oh that's scarlet's sis no?

[ivory violet]

She's from the 2023 new years event where we got sbs

[umbral belfry]

i need to read her event story

[shell hazel]

2023, that was way before my time 🙁

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-girl-sad-gif-12838133

for those who know

[tight finch]

Surely they should have just dropped her as halloween nikke

[timber depot]

Could someone help me on how to improve these teams?

I have Red Hood who I can put in T3 instead of SBS and the CP pad becomes bigger and keeps it at 3RL, but I don't know which team would be best to put Red Hood in

Feels like a waste not to slot her in any team when shes around 20k stronger than my SBS

I could swap SBS to T1 instead of Cinderella which would make the team go from 102k to 112k

[tropic summit]

you can balance T2 or T3 as needed with RH instead of siren or RH instead of SBS

[timber depot]

Got it, I was thinking I could replace Siren with Red Hood but wasn't sure if that was dumb, that makes T2 139k instead of 120k

[tropic summit]

it's better CP wise, although it kills threat via stun

then again if your opponent can gap you it's meaningless so that's still a valid decision to make

[timber depot]

hm ok so the CP is less than I thought, that moves T2 from 124k to 132k

Next solo raid ill be able to balance the CP a lot, my T1 is only 2/5 with dolls, T3 and T4 all have atleast phase 2 blue dolls

[tropic summit]

look at it this way

opponent goes from needing 104k to needing 111k minimun

look at their average CP for meta and campaign team, then you know if you gapping or not at all

(their defense teams are a good reference)

[timber depot]

I can't look at anyones teams bc I can't challenge for the last 5 days, so they've probably switched up a lot

suffering from success

[tropic summit]

oh then i guess your current def is still holding

all gud then, only change it once it breaks

[timber depot]

it is yeah, I just was thinking I could improve i

Is Cinderella uninvested still good in PvP?

If I put RH over Cinderella in T1 it goes from 104k to 128k

[tropic summit]

what synchro are you at

[timber depot]

185, near 186

[tropic summit]

hmm might still do for now, you'll need to invest her anyway for elec weak content

[thin perch]

What is the counter team to this?

[tropic summit]

do get her at least on 4/4/7 down the line and on 2OL (arms and head)

[timber depot]

Im going to be giving her a doll once I can spare an RL, and all my units in pvp teams are at 3/3/3 or 4/4/4

if not more invested due to campaigns and stuff ofc

[tropic summit]

nvm option i just gave you wouldn't be lethal, just noticed noise in p5

could punish with indom

[thin perch]

I tried scarlet siren Trina helmT and jacket but failed

[tropic summit]

jackal vestiTU helmt blanc centi

jackal quantum
vestiTU temperance
helmt temperance
blanc vigor
centi quantum

[thin perch]

This worked

[tropic summit]

looks like indom vestiTU consistently beats those kind of stalls

fearsome firepower

[timber depot]

I wonder how Nayuta could fit into my teams, I still haven't invested into any of her skills but people are speaking very highly of her. I legit just put HelmT onto campaign team so I hope Nayuta doesn't remove her 😭

[tropic summit]

situational pick, not as global usage as an helmt or vestiTU

the fact she can be a pseudo tank and get you a pseudo biscuit locked team with another tanky p1 can be useful tho

[shell hazel]

[timber depot]

I'm waiting for prydwen review so I can see if shes SSS or not 🙏, I have a peanut brain I just look at if its a high rank and base my opinion off that blindly

[timber depot]

so with Rumani as p1? That sounds juicy, I got her a few days ago

I have Crown in p1, rumani in p5 because in my brain that just makes sense since p1 gets targetted more, and Rumani will taunt stuff off P1 so they kinda pseudo share damage with eachother idk

[tropic summit]

ye on slow cindy teams with rumani also works

or as you mentioned just rumani p1 flex flex biscuit/flex nayuta p5

[timber depot]

Oh that sounds like I might be able to cook up a great team soon

Rumani Nayuta Cind form a core and I can just throw 2 good units in there

[tropic summit]

kinda yeah

[tropic summit]

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[ancient kayak]

[tropic summit]

[oak hatch]

Can I get help forming a rookie arena team? Trying to beat the top person

[tropic summit]

what does the enemy team look like

cindy crown rrh siren helmt?

[vapid lake]

so is sync rl bug fixed

[tropic summit]

blood confirmed it earlier today

[vapid lake]

Or is that thing in optimizations referring to smth else

[oak hatch]

Yes

[tropic summit]

#pvp-arena message

[oak hatch]

They using their campaign team but it includes some pvp units so doubt my campaign team can beat it

[tropic summit]

can you assemble this team and show the CP on the matchup screen? (you're on the left)

will tailor CP per meta as needed based on how far behind you are

[oak hatch]

Nayuta isn’t built

[tropic summit]

that's fine just show CP, she doesn't need to be more than 4/4/4 0ol

[oak hatch]

70k cp lower

[tropic summit]

you need 236k, we gonna need to kill speed and buffs to get you at least to avoid penalty, that's still doable

show this next:

[tropic summit]

ok drake also needs to go

this will likely do, last draft:

[tropic summit]

yep good to go, cubes:

jackal quantum
crown temperance
naga vigor
vestiTU any
rh any

once you're set launch the match, record if you want

[oak hatch]

Alright will do and thx

[oak hatch]

Endurance fine on crown? Haven’t unlocked that cube

[tropic summit]

or vigor also works

[cyan scroll]

i think one of my opponents is shadowbanned?

[oak hatch]

Worked thx so much

[cyan scroll]

i wanted to test a team against his because he has a cp deficit basic siren setup so i started refreshing for him

only to notice after about 10 minutes hes not showing up

he's rank 4

ive run into 1, 2, 3, 5 and 6 and everyone else mutliple times

(and by multiple i mean factors of 10)

[fallow nebula]

Hows nayuta

She seems strong with indom

[shell hazel]

lmao I set my units to auto battle tribe tower from 451 and forgot to enable auto burst 😄

they made it to 455 before being stopped

[oak hatch]

Kinda weird I was looking for my rank 1 as well and it took many refreshes to find them

[tropic summit]

situationally good, bad burst gen and feeds though

think of it as a spare tank to use in p1 that also doubles down as sub dps, healer and decent buffer

[lunar pawn]

@leaden marten check spa

[carmine locust]

i didnt play pvp for a long time.
What a currently metas for Rookie and SP arena? Was there a big change with so many new nikkes?

[tropic summit]

depends on what you've built

helmT, jackal, noah, vestiTU, emilia, RH, noise, rapunzel, cinderella, siren, soda, biscuit, blanc

the above remains the core units for solid defenses

laplaceT also received a buff, promoting her to essentially clip RL burst gen

[carmine locust]

my old def team since i stopped playing and it hold diamond 24 since i not touched SP arena since... 1 or more year.

[tropic summit]

ye these are fairly old

you can no longer run safely b2 or b3 in p1 due to siren, unless you've CS% then at best B2

addtionally with vestiTU p2 and p3 can also be punished, especially if wind code

xanne lost pretty much her place in SParena

and there are better options than s.anis and maiden on defense

you're best getting your teams reviewed and updated

[carmine locust]

i not really plan on being active pvp again.
But i just... looked into it and not really saw that big difference of ppl teams in my group

[tropic summit]

that's good, means your bracket is staying fairly casual

easier on your side to keep up i guess

[carmine locust]

challenger 10 runs this

[tropic summit]

this is also still pretty old meta

[carmine locust]

hmmm

[tropic summit]

rather 2 of those 3 teams aren't even close to their stronger archetypes

[carmine locust]

i mean if you have time i could show my roster and you maybe can give me a updated teams?

[tropic summit]

ye sure go ahead and post your box

[carmine locust]

i'm so out of pvp i forgot most things....

[shell hazel]

rail did you use your crates yet to beat MC?

[carmine locust]

omg the roster now is so big...
Was there a more easy way to show it?
i should have most meta nikkes i... think?

[tropic summit]

hmm decent roster although invest is a bit all over the place

[shell hazel]

man got helmT and not even using on def 😄

Rail - you fix

[tropic summit]

[carmine locust]

well i not really played for long time. I just had someone doing the dailies for me over time

[tropic summit]

yeah ch10 is 80 levels ahead of you

your main issue in pvp is going to be being gapped

[carmine locust]

i play nikke atm only for story updates. But i kind of what a updated pvp roster

[tropic summit]

anytime your opponent is higher than 15.4% than your CP, you're hit with a huge penalty

[carmine locust]

it fine if the team setup is up to date with meta units

[tropic summit]

so even with a strong def, if opponent has advantage in terms of CP, your def will crumble

[carmine locust]

i cant do much about the lvl gap anyway

[tropic summit]

oke that's fine

[shell hazel]

|| 💳 ||

solves all issues 😄

[carmine locust]

ohh i remember the gap thingy back then it was not big and i was around top 5 in my group all the time i was able to hold 1-3 often.

[carmine locust]

i not invest in nikke anymore i not have that possibility

its fine if it just update teams setup for rookie and SP arena

ohh this exist now?

[shell hazel]

top 4 SPA only

[carmine locust]

so only top ranks are in that?

[tropic summit]

SParena

• nayuta centi cinderella helmt noise
• jackal scarlet siren blanc laplacet
• noah biscuit s.anis rh maiden

Rookie

• noise nayuta cindy helmt jackal

Notes

build these units as soon as possible:

• emilia, biscuit, centi, jackal, noah, blanc (aim for recommended prydwen skill levels, OLs and SR5 minimun)
• wishlist/build rumani, trina

[shell hazel]

helmT is basically the best pvp burst gen/hybrid dps in the game for pvp 😛

[carmine locust]

ohh Nayuta is part of the new pvp meta too?

Because of her... not dying thingy?

[carmine locust]

with her treasure right?

[shell hazel]

yes

[tropic summit]

in your case she's handy because you've jackal on very low doll and lack rumani to make the usual 2RL cindy

she can be run safely in p1 as she's undying for 9s, works good as a B2 buffer aswell

[carmine locust]

Rumani released when i stopped playing active

So Rumani is a pvp focused nikke?

[tropic summit]

she's a clip RL, one of the best batteries

in terms of utility, she's good

[carmine locust]

hmmm

[sinful quarry]

Just wanted to ask before sleep in T1 you said left side's gonna burst first but is it good tho?

[tropic summit]

with indom teams in general you want to be the slower to burst

[carmine locust]

well not build at all....

[tropic summit]

as the indom duel will be won by your side, even more so when mirror cindy matchup

as cindy cannot be lethal on cindy

so a 3.5RL bursting first in a mirror slow cindy match likely will be the one dying first when indom runs out

while the other 4RL will have indom last a tad longer

[carmine locust]

I will look through it and ask questions because i always want to know how the teams work

[tropic summit]

you welcome, ask away

[sinful quarry]

Okay gonna vote tomorrow for right side to win then and pray to rng'esus for the win thanks for all the info

[tropic summit]

yeah i highly suggest you get more inputs tho, i can be wrong

if more ppl see it the same way, you've probably better chances

CA can be wild

[carmine locust]

So the first team with Nayuta looks... like surviving and cindy nuke?
Centi and noise generate? And helmet... i forgot how she works now with treasure....
She heals right?

[tropic summit]

1st team is running a generic 3RL (standard speed) nuke oriented team, you're correct

nayuta prevents your frontline to fall pre burst, noise gives your cindy a buff as cindy scales on HP, cindy then casts a nuke

2nd team is an indom team that tries to get your scarlet invulnerable, you've also a single buffed nuke and stun threat (siren), laplaceT offers burst gen and off burst DPS

3rd team has anti nuke and stalling via biscuit + noah synergy, s.anis will then begin to DPS backstabbing attackers unless taunted on RH buff, maiden is serving as offburst DPS and burst gen

[carmine locust]

ohh second is a old Scarlet nuke?
But now with siren in it?
i forgot but was it not normal to put jackal last?
She was the "shared dmg" meta thingy right?
Lappy is generating? And blanc....was this not dying thingy

[tropic summit]

ye you're mostly correct, b2 and b3 in general do not run in p1 anymore because siren can stun them

your team 1 mitigates this with 2 B2
your team 2 mitigates this with jackal in p1
your team 3 mitigates it with backup B2, although you'll lose anti nuke

[carmine locust]

gomen but i forgot what B2 and b3 means.
Was it for burst or slots in teams?

[tropic summit]

burst 2 and burst 3

[sinful quarry]

No worries it's not gonna be your fault nor do I'll be mad at you. It's pretty much bad rng that they've mirrored teams and there's nothing I can do about it. Tried to ask others but no luck so far so

[tropic summit]

aight, good luck, hopefully shiny frame awaits you

[carmine locust]

so siren is a new counter for some teams?

ohh she because of the 3 second stun

[tropic summit]

quite indeed, here's an example

[carmine locust]

Is that something i could try for attacking too?
But then i would need to remember which teams counter each other right?
Sadly i not remember every detail about that....

[tropic summit]

yes attack in general has very high win ratio as long as you counter the teams you facing by using the right card

in the example video above, siren is directly countering the purpose of that defense team, which is denying their anti nuke

as you can see noah is stunned right before scarlet buffed nuke goes off

the opponent is defenseless without noah casting B2 in time

[carmine locust]

ohh yes but why again didnt noah and jackal not got hit from scarlet nuke?

[tropic summit]

invulnerability by biscuit s2 skill

she triggers when a defender unit goes below a certain HP threshold

[carmine locust]

ohh i forgot

[tropic summit]

as you can see both units are above 50%ish HP because biscuit cast the skill as the condition triggered

[carmine locust]

it was for tank units right?

[tropic summit]

defender units yes

[carmine locust]

and she can do it 2x times

[tropic summit]

correct

[carmine locust]

in that case for noah and jackal

so i not totally forgot everything

[tropic summit]

helm treasure can be used to snipe and outsustain teams

[sinful quarry]

Sorry for bothering you still but just one more question does the CP matters if the left team has more CP on their DPS's (Cindy/Mihara) than the right side?

[tropic summit]

indom is for the most part unchanged, although vestiTU is probably the currently best B3 to indom

[tropic summit]

CP has 0 impact in CA

invest, research and OLs although can still impact

[carmine locust]

emilia biscuit centi jackal and blanc are build from back then so they should be at the best i can do rn... i think

[thorny furnace]

Any tips going against Jackal/Noah/Helm/RH/Cindy?

[tropic summit]

yes you should build those units, particularly get them to SR5 4OL and 3OLs

your main struggle in pvp will be catching up on CP

[sinful quarry]

Oh I see thanks again praying that you'll get your pulls blessed and you'll get what you want

[tropic summit]

that team is weak to DPS B3 behind stalling

noah biscuit rh helmt laplaceT/emilia
or
noah biscuit vestiTU (11%CS) helmt RH

[thorny furnace]

Thank you!

What does 11%CS refer to though?

[tropic summit]

11% total charge speed

via OLs or adjutant