pvp-arena

[umbral belfry]

really appreciate the number of frames

[placid bloom]

well if you are expecting like 1.6RL Scar as the norm

then it makes more sense to 2RL Moran than 2.5RL

[swift mango]

3rl ASS could randomly win you against Helm team that's not Nero and slow Cindy

[shell hazel]

I'll analyse the top 8 in more depth before next CA see what the common teams are like

[acoustic light]

saw it in our bracket but didnt seem to do that well

[rich ledge]

Haha thanks for the work I wanna know what to do too

[placid bloom]

cuz 2.5RL Moran assumes the average player you come across has no cs on their Scar team

[shell hazel]

I wasn't totally impressed by it either, though it beat me by virtue of being 2RL Noah vs my 2RL scar

[umbral belfry]

moran noah helm rh centi new cn tech

[covert lintel]

I got it tho
With priv
As long as it doesn't encounter blanc

[placid bloom]

when people get faster it's not viable anymore

[placid bloom]

[keen vapor]

wtf they just did

[placid bloom]

we doing SAnis Priv in CA?

[rich ledge]

Probably need some changes

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

only 43 sp arena attempts left

[covert lintel]

I did

[onyx scaffold]

That is attempt used

[placid bloom]

maybe he is quitting and want to spend his gems

[swift mango]

🫃 I mean it's always that way everytime Fah1 lose... Or win.

[umbral belfry]

good teams tbh. you just need luck

outside of better investments but that comes with time

[tropic summit]

oh wow i thought it was this, guess it's a different screen

[rich ledge]

hmm further investments are just all uphill to get CS for all RLs and snipers right?

[shell hazel]

maybe rolls over into attempts used once free ones done

[swift mango]

@keen vapor looks like your account

[onyx scaffold]

Mine is old screenshot. They probably updated it

[placid bloom]

you do 40 attack a day?

[acoustic light]

all the tierlists with sanis at sss are bricking newbie pvp accounts

[tropic summit]

he's doin' the snipe

[umbral belfry]

dolls, cs and optimal rerolling imo. cores obviously helps but that'll come with time esp for f2p

[shell hazel]

@keen vapor 🧱

[keen vapor]

Failed snipe*

[tropic summit]

[onyx scaffold]

Nah. SAnis is still SSSS for newbies because they dont have Emilia or XMaiden

[keen vapor]

I hate Hero

[placid bloom]

maybe if you try 40 more time it will work

learn from the best

[keen vapor]

He's gemmer

[tropic summit]

show them who's the real heroooooooooo

[covert lintel]

i thought no one attacked

[onyx scaffold]

She is SS for oldbies
And I think Prydwen updated it to SS

[swift mango]

They just need Vesti, scarlet and Cindy.

[placid bloom]

tbh if you don't actually have 25 usable unit then SAnis is passable

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/danger-gif-15291718235185428481

[placid bloom]

there's just too many better units now

[acoustic light]

I dont think the pies in the baby bracket are running her but maybe the others r

[shell hazel]

no one in top 8 running her in my bracket

[acoustic light]

she isnt bad just doesnt have a good place

[shell hazel]

I think a lot of people moved away from siren as well

[placid bloom]

but like I would even use Ada before using SAnis

[umbral belfry]

sAnis solely for the baby bracket is a valid choice assuming there's no better options

[shell hazel]

soda seeing a lot more use

[onyx scaffold]

Help plz

[umbral belfry]

but higher up

[covert lintel]

No
He's 60 levels below me

[swift mango]

+110 gem today.

[umbral belfry]

I tried to warn u

[tropic summit]

you filthy 🐳

[placid bloom]

I think if we had a better nuker than Scar then Soda would actually be better, Scar just so weak

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

so you almost have enough for 10 rolls for next banner

[onyx scaffold]

Eva Rei

[acoustic light]

in the spirit of CA rng arena she's sss tier

[shell hazel]

I don't have the doll mats atm

my soda is 4/4 OL though

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

getting ready

[tropic summit]

soda p4 and you only need to pray RNGesus

[rich ledge]

siren is too easy to counter and doesnt work on low ammo scarlet

[shell hazel]

just need SU to screw up another SR and gimme more crates

[swift mango]

Nah I would skip until Something I really must have.

[placid bloom]

I don't think I've seen Mermaid anywhere, even in SPA

except to counter CP pad team

[acoustic light]

lowkey doesnt work on high ammo scar either if bad counter rng and high atk

[swift mango]

Actually siren is really strong in CP pad team.

[keen vapor]

Pilgrims are must have even Isabel now

[high dew]

where i can find pvp teams for special arena??

[rich ledge]

my soda scarlet also doesnt have a good win rate 3/5 only

[swift mango]

I certainly don't need Grave in my roster.

[keen vapor]

In pins

[tropic summit]

but next banner is re;zero rerun

[swift mango]

Good for you.

[shell hazel]

problem with soda scar ver is she's not lethal against noise or moran teams without the double buff

[keen vapor]

Why not

[tropic summit]

ok next banner is chainsaw man rerun

[swift mango]

Why should I?

[swift mango]

Yeah, time to quit nikke. I would ticket her though.

[acoustic light]

but the stun can prevent them from reaching b1

[keen vapor]

Buff

[rich ledge]

yea she is good against noah/blanc or another scarlet team

[tropic summit]

just slap a mari on it

[swift mango]

Yeah so what?

[keen vapor]

I used both Mari and Grave

[tropic summit]

just slap an AdeB on it

[rich ledge]

its difficult to stun b1 with a b1, need to be faster than base 2RL normally

[keen vapor]

DON'T HAVE

[tropic summit]

THAT'S CUZ YOU 🧱

[rich ledge]

waiting for ade to be in wishlist

[covert lintel]

Try 18%+ deficit

[placid bloom]

she is already in wishlist

[swift mango]

She already is

[placid bloom]

even BMilk already in wishlist

[tropic summit]

ade is better in bed than wishlist

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

[bleak marsh]

[placid bloom]

tbh BAde is too sexy

I need 3 heads to fully enjoy her

[tropic summit]

ikr, it's criminal

[rich ledge]

oh yea i forgot cos im waiting for milk as well to optimise my tickets

[acoustic light]

18 cs time

[swift mango]

When you use her with Scarlet you put her p1.

[keen vapor]

I have no CS, using Soda was a mistake for my brick RLs

[tropic summit]

where helmT 21%CS and emi 35%CS

[bleak marsh]

Quickly going back to this, they're level 401 pilgrims now

[keen vapor]

:Blancry:

[bleak marsh]

I didn't know it was possible to get that high

[swift mango]

What are you talking about?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-head-pat-anime-pat-pat-anime-blush-gif-23411369

[bleak marsh]

I think you were asking about synch level?

Sorry, I was checking my notifications/pings and trying to get context on something

Apparently I missed some news about a party next week

[tropic summit]

don't apologize to blood

he deserves only slaps

[swift mango]

I mean Radeki having 400+ research level on Pilgrim. And 200+ on everything else on average. That's way more than a day 1 player let alone 1.5-2 year later player.

Cup doesn't have that.

[bleak marsh]

Mmmmm, gotcha
That really does show whale status

[tropic summit]

don't blame the player, blame this utterly trash gamemode that even allows that matchmaking in the first place

game just loves giving unfair advantages

[bleak marsh]

I see!
He needs this then...

[umbral belfry]

just be f2p like me

[rich ledge]

of course if not how to make money?

[swift mango]

He just whaling more. Not like their starting time were that much different.

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/you-get-out-get-out-anime-gif-17448320

[onyx scaffold]

i hope coming pilgrims useless in pvp

[covert lintel]

i just reached lv200

[tropic summit]

absolutely, 💳

this game is meant for the company, not for the players 🍿

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-diesel-brick-gif-8904973372501827928

[tropic summit]

lemme play this game on easy mode ♿

[umbral belfry]

these censors in this type of game

[rich ledge]

nayuta seems like some invuln or indom or cannot be targetted type of nikke

[bleak marsh]

That's WILD

[swift mango]

Gonning then.

[rich ledge]

if they make her skills based on that she could be pvp

[onyx scaffold]

my pvp investment got pve fruitful

no ada, jill, arcana, isabel. gotta save as much rocks as possible for pvp

[tropic summit]

knees are weak

[umbral belfry]

[bleak marsh]

Nice!!
Okay, I'm off to review some notes now

@umbral belfry I'll ping you later for your read gl at work, again!!

[tropic summit]

look at this casual flex

[swift mango]

How do you use Ein, Exia and M.privaty in Arena.

[umbral belfry]

[rich ledge]

how much elemental on cindy?

[umbral belfry]

would

[tropic summit]

that's not a scissor, that's a big pole

[onyx scaffold]

i ran Exia in champion arena beta season 1

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

Did you win?

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

'course he did you silly

[swift mango]

[rich ledge]

Why my 95% ele Cindy is so far off?

[onyx scaffold]

that team with exia won
others were cooked

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[covert lintel]

How can you do squad 4 without cdr

[swift mango]

That's some weird Cindy team order you had there.

[rich ledge]

granted my ASS and maiden dont have much ele . 33 and 13%

[onyx scaffold]

because...
||btw Grave buffed ammo to SAnis and she got bricked||

[swift mango]

This doesn't looks like 3% in SEA. No?

[rich ledge]

yea i know that I got no ade for now and no where to swap

[swift mango]

[rich ledge]

nope i havent managed to break into 3% yet slowly trying

between investing pvp and pve its tough

[swift mango]

Should have started on Global. Smhmh.

[onyx scaffold]

bunny soda has been released for 1.5 year and u ask this question now...
she makes the full burst last for 15 seconds and u dont need CDR

[rich ledge]

ikr, my friend was playing on SEA and asked me to join. he doesnt play anymore

[onyx scaffold]

brb

SR30 - Merciless Judge / poop2
GLB 3% 10.2b
NA 3% 10.9b
SEA 3% 12.02b
JP 3% 12.6b
KR 3% 15.1b

[tropic summit]

@covert lintel

[rich ledge]

SEA bricked

theres tw/hk/macau i think thats also 12b bar

[onyx scaffold]

yeah

[tropic summit]

get these pve mains out of pvp channel

[swift mango]

It's not about low population anymore. Asian just more hardocre

[covert lintel]

i don't use bsoda

[tropic summit]

you're an asian too

[rich ledge]

haha its an experiment to prove who is more lazy

[swift mango]

I'm bricked main.

[glad meteor]

Can’t do grave + sanis. With this raid need to try to cindy burst outside of defence qte

[onyx scaffold]

nah man. top 200 sea is still easier than top 200 global

[tropic summit]

main shooting range

[swift mango]

I use B Soda this season and 5/6 lose for SG team with her.
The only win are against SG team without Rosa.

[onyx scaffold]

btw mpriv is pretty a budget scarlet in pvp back then. remember she was released 2 years ago and there was not many good nuke. i invested in her since forever

[swift mango]

She was. But Scarlet exist.

[rich ledge]

grave can only be put there so far cos naga and mari is used in other team as essential ele QTE breakers, then crown is also used for ein team. i think the only possibility is to swap crown and grave for my setup

[glad meteor]

Rip no bade I guess. sanis gets ammo,

[rich ledge]

yea i will pull on the wishlist during anni patch when milk and delta also goes in

[covert lintel]

She's weak

[fast nest]

Newbie pick. RRRLR

[onyx scaffold]

i mean maidpriv is pretty much a weaker bsoda + worse burst gen.
and bsoda has usage

[glad meteor]

Boda is clip sg and iron. I saw her one tap Cindy with aoe

[onyx scaffold]

being clip sg doesn't increase dmg :3

[glad meteor]

It increases gen. So you nuke in time

[onyx scaffold]

just kill

[glad meteor]

Wars mpriv going to do but be worse

[swift mango]

B.Soda has worse nuke

[glad meteor]

Elemental buff is big

Boda also gets drake atk buff

[unique mountain]

[onyx scaffold]

is it the phase when we all invest in sugar yet?

[kind palm]

[onyx scaffold]

cook me two SpA teams plz

i think i should do 2 strongest teams possible then another cp pad team

[upper grove]

what's the easiest to hit?
I have no rosanna built; team 1 I can just noah biscuit 2RL thelm nuke them, what about the others?

[kind palm]

wait an hour gonna put in oven

[tropic summit]

p1 is easy, 2RL no feed helmT to nuke link, can include rosanna
p2 can be indommed
p3 can be mirror noah 2RL or 3RL with RH B1 + B3

[upper grove]

what dps would fit best for indom p2?

my vesti is very meh

[tropic summit]

RRH will hit for ele weak on 5 units
vestiTU will just slowly wipe

[upper grove]

would slow cindy work in p2?

[tropic summit]

if bay cover is up, she'll just hit 0

[shell hazel]

if you mirror 3 you should put rumani p1

[upper grove]

oh mihara dot doesn't work then?

[shell hazel]

siren backup b1 and rumani defender so biscuit protec

[tropic summit]

it does but they've sustain and stalling, if bay cover is up your cindy dmg is nullified

[shell hazel]

my whale is sleeping not done their dailies nor emptied outpost or anything

nor pointlessly hit me to still lose SPA to me anyway 😛

[upper grove]

the ch5 guy did the elevator thing again

hit ch3 then me ch1

[tropic summit]

i'd personally run this

[upper grove]

I'll give it a shot

[tropic summit]

give vigor to helmT if for w/e reason she has lower hp than rrh

[shell hazel]

your RRH invested that should smash that team

[upper grove]

she is 83 ele 48 atk

I destroyed the stall team but my xmaiden nuke was too weak

that's after nuke hits, drake got indom and killed my team

[onyx scaffold]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1375013287246430249.png?v=1

[kind palm]

maybe something like this everyone on tempura?

also team 1 get at least like 10% min cs I think just calculate with nikke.work to not get siren stun noah

[swift mango]

After they fixed Cindy and XMaiden burst. XMaiden no longer unload her 2 nuke at same time anymore. This weaker than she was before. She need buffer like RH to kill link.

[upper grove]

Oh I see, thanks

[brazen geyser]

Good morning, any suggestion that could beat that composition?

[onyx scaffold]

Ty. I will see if those teams have enough cp... 615 vs 645 lol.

[tropic summit]

jackal scarlet trina noir helmt

you're dealing with a 3RL, or at best a 2.5RL with a siren B1, so they've no anti nuke as long as you're 2RL, additionally it's an unprotected noah and in p1 (can punish also with siren)

[jagged mesa]

is this a radeki angle

[tropic summit]

can nerf RRH team and get your helmT over to your link nuke team

something like this (give quantum to jackal, lappy and centi, should get enough feed from moran

since you'd be running a RH B1 buffed helmT burst, that's guaranteed lethal

[upper grove]

I redid rapipi team + mirror the cindy with rumani P1, worked out

[tropic summit]

sad xmaiden is no longer lethal on her own, guess i missed her nerf on her B3

[upper grove]

I actually have to note down the teams now because I hit 2 guys with different teams

[tropic summit]

well if they're decent they'll change their def soon

[upper grove]

yeah

[gritty ridge]

Rail can you cook me a team with delta

[bleak marsh]

Oh yeah, how did your voting go for CA?

Sorry, I just recognised the PFP and remember you were also talking about the frames yesterday

[jagged mesa]

i need this last one to finally get gold frame

and radeki cup are not making it easy for me

[bleak marsh]

OKAY, YOU GOT THE SAME AS ME

Who you got???

[jagged mesa]

i did not cheer yet i have no idea

waiting for the experts to weigh in

[bleak marsh]

I am waiting on Hime myself...

But from what others have said, radeki has an overall higher synchro for all of their units

[jagged mesa]

im a pvp tourist now

[bleak marsh]

Same ...
It's gotten to the point of math, like

[jagged mesa]

i just dont know how much recycling room plays a factor in strength at 400 sync lock

[gritty ridge]

At cups level? Not that much

[jagged mesa]

and obv i have no idea what their investments are

[fast nest]

Same match at the Final
Same location and cp also similar.

[jagged mesa]

like i have no idea if a noah vesti beats stall with helm heal (absent) for 3s

[bleak marsh]

😭 😭 😭

We gotta wait for the experts then 🫡 🫡 🫡

Cuz I'm in the same boat

Just on numbers alone (the calculation I sent), radeki got this

But then the team comps is where I'm like

[placid bloom]

XMaid has to die for Vesti to win

that's the main thing

she is the only one that doesn't get the Nero passive for healing her

so she has the lowest dmg reduc

once she dies, the only char that has rocket splash left is Rapu

[jagged mesa]

who's your pick for now

[acoustic light]

the experts are saying cup

[placid bloom]

nobody else can beat over Noah Biscuit even if Noise dies

[acoustic light]

but its close and.... rng

[jagged mesa]

im bout to crash out if i lose frame by 1 bet for the 4th time

[bleak marsh]

I got radeki, but that was on synchro

[bleak marsh]

Same LMAO

[placid bloom]

I didn't check the other matchups

[bleak marsh]

Bruh

But thank you 🫡 🫡

[acoustic light]

sorry Im just kidding but its tough bc the matchups depend on invest

cant easily predict

[placid bloom]

tbh it's not that easy for Vesti to kill XMaid, defender stat is kinda fat

plus it's a no buff Vesti

[bleak marsh]

All good LMAO
seeing the matches between hime and cup, you're right, it's very close

[placid bloom]

other than Helm s2

so there's a decent chance she just can't do enough damage

[bleak marsh]

Are you talking about the vesti on cup's team?

[placid bloom]

[bleak marsh]

The bets are favouring cup, surprisingly (??)

[jagged mesa]

isnt noah going to be soaking for 10s though

[placid bloom]

yes but Noise can die and XMaid can splash down Vesti

so the win condition is XMaid has to die

she is the squishiest target on the team

but I don't know the damage of 0 buff Vesti into Nero Moran since I don't have one

[jagged mesa]

xmaiden splash is a threat to vesti with noah + noise buffs?

her s2 doesnt even proc on vesti

[placid bloom]

it's still FB rockets with her buffed Atk passive onto a squishy char

but it's possible to live

[jagged mesa]

maybe im missing something

[placid bloom]

Noise takes quite a while to kill through too

[jagged mesa]

what's buffing her atk besides helm

[bleak marsh]

Who are you leaning towards??

[jagged mesa]

and theres rumani taunt during burst too i believe

[placid bloom]

she has her own buff passive

[jagged mesa]

ignore me im a pvp noob

[placid bloom]

Rumani only taunts on hit

so p1-2

[bleak marsh]

Me too lmao
I got no clue who is talking about what

[jagged mesa]

which one am i missing

shes not bursting so shes not buffing herself

[placid bloom]

oh wait I thought she's like Cinderella and gets the buff no matter what

[jagged mesa]

nope, only for her burst skill

[placid bloom]

what a dog char

[jagged mesa]

i dont see how she can splash down a vesti with noah buffs + noise max hp

all her damage is in s2, which is soaked by noah or other taunters for 5/10s

prolly 10s

[worthy sorrel]

f2p

[jagged mesa]

what do you think about your matchup

[worthy sorrel]

idk

[jagged mesa]

pack it up boys we're going 50/50

[bleak marsh]

It's cup!!
Congratulations on making it this far!!

[worthy sorrel]

just team by team matchup, it should be in my favor

but i lean more pve than pvp so i'm missing some key atk rolls to ensure the win. and radeki's units are beefy AF

a smarter predticter than me said it leans in my favor by about the same ratio as the current cheer

like 60/40

[placid bloom]

[bleak marsh]

It's gonna be really close then, dang

[worthy sorrel]

not strictly rng, but just don't know for sure if investment diff will be enough to overcome the matchups and for radeki to pull it off

[bleak marsh]

Investment wise, it's more for them, right?
Synchro and PvP wise

[scarlet adder]

do i win?

[worthy sorrel]

yeah, against anyone other than radeki with these team matchups i'd like my chances. but radeki is invested enough that it makes it unclear and he could really easilly win

[jagged mesa]

synchro is synced to 400 anyways

[bleak marsh]

That level 400 pilgrim is no joke 💀

[jagged mesa]

its moreso the amount of resources that one would naturally have from being higher synchro anyways

[placid bloom]

OL choice can matter too

if you're choosing to build crit instead of ele dmg

[acoustic light]

Radeki is also f2p

[worthy sorrel]

some of radeki's c7 pulls went into the 1000s before c7

my worst so far was 870. he's just a different level of unlucky

[bleak marsh]

💀 💀 💀

No wonder why his manufacturer levels are 200+

[jagged mesa]

brother what 870

LOL

[worthy sorrel]

besti didn't want to come home

[acoustic light]

I remember that one

[jagged mesa]

actually true i dropped 350 pulls on absolute for ONE hit

as f2p

well, almost f2p

[placid bloom]

[bleak marsh]

Man, now idk who to vote for

[jagged mesa]

thats 350 pulls for ONE unit

[bleak marsh]

If it's down to investments

[jagged mesa]

so 870 for c7 is uhh.... way better

[acoustic light]

f2p+

[worthy sorrel]

350 actually isn't that uncommon for only 1 hit when you're pulling a lot. get some pretty weird swings when you c7 a lot of stuff

[jagged mesa]

oh sorry i forgot one TEESNY detail, that 350 was across 3 accounts

[worthy sorrel]

i think radeki had a period of 500 before with no ssr at all, let alone no rate up unit

[jagged mesa]

2 fully f2p, so yeah. id never afford 350 on one account 💀

in that space i think i got 5 pilgrims

and 2-3 regular absolute

[worthy sorrel]

[bleak marsh]

Okay, for now I'll go with you, cup

60% is a pass where I'm from

You got this 🫡 🫡

[worthy sorrel]

😬

i've been able to have your back so far, but i've also been the more invested one of the match ups each round until now

shoe's on the other foot

[bleak marsh]

😭 😭 😭

[placid bloom]

just crit more than he does

[bleak marsh]

I'm flip flopping between you two, honestly

Because investments wise, it's hard to ignore

[jagged mesa]

green to orange

[bleak marsh]

Terrible roll luck, but those levels...

I know

[jagged mesa]

you evolved right before our eyes

[bleak marsh]

All thanks to you guys

Btw, ashiun, ping me on who you pick as well

We're in this together

[jagged mesa]

im the last person to take advice from

[bleak marsh]

It never hurts to know

[placid bloom]

how many seasons you fail by now

[jagged mesa]

fail by 1 bet like 4-5 times

[bleak marsh]

Same

[jagged mesa]

the problem is i cant get practical experience with half the teams in CA

lack of invest/resources, and nobody to test with

cant put any theoretical knowledge into practice

[bleak marsh]

I just can't guess properly

[placid bloom]

have to watch replays

[jagged mesa]

i could watch CA replays yeah

[placid bloom]

it's a lot of work

just let other people tell you who gonna win

[jagged mesa]

but its also hard not knowing any invests

so its incomplete knowledge

[bleak marsh]

Tbh, watching the matches, radeki is very beefy

[placid bloom]

watch the prev match and estimate crit rate

[bleak marsh]

Like that 4-1 was based on the time they were simply standing

[placid bloom]

whoever crit more win

[glacial hound]

ive won with just cindy getting biscuit, cup has too

i have replay if you want

can win both ways but rumani surviving is difficult

[wise horizon]

@tropic summit

[fathom rock]

@umbral belfry who win final

[worthy sorrel]

@bleak marsh this is that player who is smarter than me btw

well, i mean it's not a high bar

[bleak marsh]

nahhh, your bar is higher than mine
I am not smart at all

[worthy sorrel]

same

[bleak marsh]

[quartz rover]

how's the bestie's ol?

my vesti doesnt like to reload

[umbral belfry]

I lean a bit cup

[umbral belfry]

not an atk line in sight

good ammo though

[fast nest]

Atk most important.

[umbral belfry]

4 atk vesti

[fast nest]

1st. Atk 2nd.ammo/cs/ element/crit dmg/ crit rate whatever you prefer.

[shell hazel]

may just not change mine further feels good enough lol

[formal quiver]

chat should i chase cs

https://i.imgur.com/kRIeug9.png

[hollow lagoon]

Same

[worthy sorrel]

does she need any with lapT after her glow up? i'm behind on the new calcs

[umbral belfry]

[bleak marsh]

[umbral belfry]

[bleak marsh]

You're back!!
I guess you saw the lineups, Ahaha

[formal quiver]

whos doing new calcs

[umbral belfry]

I did

[bleak marsh]

So you say cup?

🫡 🫡 we run it with cup then

[umbral belfry]

[bleak marsh]

@jagged mesa gonna do cup

Ride or die

[umbral belfry]

ash didn't ruin his cheer

[bleak marsh]

Thank you!!

[bleak marsh]

We're both relying on this

[jagged mesa]

lets bet opposite so one of us wins at least

[jagged mesa]

i better win this next one or i betrayed my loyalty for nothing

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-after-all-weve-been-through-betrayal-backstabber-gif-5430341

[bleak marsh]

I'll do cup

[jagged mesa]

nonono i think you do radeki, ill do cup

[bleak marsh]

it's come to this

Up to you, honestly
I don't think I'll do CA after this for a while anyways so I can do radeki

[jagged mesa]

am i crazy for thinking radeki takes 1-3 though

[bleak marsh]

Math wise I wouldn't be surprised

I trust the whales here

Guy has Bennett luck in pulls, and Bennett is my son, so I gotta stick to it

[gritty ridge]

This is better for now

Still gotta reroll for atk

[clever dock]

my rookie arena team ended up being all rls and they take a second to start shooting and it's so jarring 😭

[gritty ridge]

Still sirenproof

Dont mind the terrible team i used to test, my rookie is awful

They had a siren and didnt have cindy p1

[formal quiver]

all 2rl b1s are sirenproof

[gritty ridge]

Im just making sure vesti has enough cs

Not natively 2rl

[swift mango]

It's either thanks to large investment diff or the Mihara one shot bug before, that was fixed. Right now without the bug it's much harder to happen.

Check the end of battle detail, Mihara used to have as much HP as Scarlet DMG if the bug happened. Basically she somehow reflected Scarlet nuke to the other side.

[bleak marsh]

I'm an owl of my word, lock in 🫡 🫡

[jagged mesa]

im gonna lock in my choice later

[bleak marsh]

One of us gotta get it

[gritty ridge]

Oh hey thats me

[bleak marsh]

You think you got this?

I got a frame riding on this

But either way, it was nice hearing about the c7 rolls

[gritty ridge]

Yeah im cup

[bleak marsh]

[gritty ridge]

You didnt know?

[bleak marsh]

...who was I talking to named "cup"

[gritty ridge]

My alt

[bleak marsh]

no way, we got alt accounts here?!

[gritty ridge]

Im also @umbral belfry

[bleak marsh]

The mastermind behind it all!!

[gritty ridge]

Im your alt

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

Where is your scar?

[umbral belfry]

in the lab

[gritty ridge]

Lemme see her?

[umbral belfry]

OK get ready to see the best scar ever

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-sponge-bob-look-at-it-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-14840416

[gritty ridge]

You've lost your pvpgoon card

[umbral belfry]

nah

I've ascended it

[jagged mesa]

im reading it as rad-rad-rad-cup-cup but im no expert

no effing clue

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

She just needs 3 atk lines and shes 12/12

[umbral belfry]

jk if my scar is best na yours is best vesti na

[gritty ridge]

Yeah makes sense

My scar? Peak. My vesti? No atk

[umbral belfry]

it be like that sometimes

[gritty ridge]

My vesti is still undefeated since I overloaded her tho

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

So is my slow cindy tbf

[lone sequoia]

no vesti fix?

[umbral belfry]

there's a vesti bug?

[lone sequoia]

the same old bug

[gritty ridge]

Vesti emi?

[umbral belfry]

OHHHH that

[lone sequoia]

vesti RL/explosion

[umbral belfry]

imagine having an emi

[gritty ridge]

Im debating running slow vesti for t3 in spa

Has anyone tested it?

[lone sequoia]

slow? stall or just bad burst gen or trio?

[gritty ridge]

Trio

[lone sequoia]

trio is trio, no slow vesti; if you have dmg you can try

but you must kill with the first shot

[gritty ridge]

Is trio 2rl or somethin?

[lone sequoia]

when you say slow mean a team that need to burst, trio is to kill pre burst

[umbral belfry]

trio with no emi is

[lone sequoia]

you don't need a proper burst rotation

[umbral belfry]

also

[lone sequoia]

the main factor for fast cindy or slow cindy is noah burst time

[gritty ridge]

Hime im trying to make a t3 and im not building nero moran

[lone sequoia]

you want cs to burst before or after noah burst

[umbral belfry]

who said anything about nero and moran

[gritty ridge]

It used to be the standard

[umbral belfry]

nero i can somewhat understand not building if you're not running nero stall

but moran

[lone sequoia]

well... if you want to run trio... you will need emi or laplace and time the cs to proc the bug if you don't have dupes

[umbral belfry]

should build moran regardless

[oblique ridge]

Best Scar ever to face on enemy team

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

I said nero moran together for a reason

Moran is getting built

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

Nero is not

Nero gets be nice and naked

[untold tapir]

I'm very unsure of how I should build my teams for arena... don't even really know what should have or use.

[oblique ridge]

I cheered Keripo’s opponent for cheer fail frame I think Keripo will lose R1 & R2, but will win R3, R4, R5, and has a chance to convert R2 on investment diff.

This is the last forced cheer analysis I’ll ever have to do, RNGesus willing

[umbral belfry]

sure would be a shame if you failed your cheer now

[lone sequoia]

you can add bay for more pew-pew, xmaiden is the safest and stronger than laplace version- mana is weaker but good against some SG or teams with really high dmg and rh version is a wild card, the strongest but need a pierce shot against some teams, you can also just use xmaiden and drop SG match ups with rapu p5 but better against mirror and still the same against other teams @gritty ridge

[oblique ridge]

I’ll make a kitten cry if I lose this one

[umbral belfry]

@glad glade you gonna take that?

[gritty ridge]

I told you not to call me that in public

@swift mango dont worry, youre still my kitten

[bleak marsh]

[umbral belfry]

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/antman-what-the-hell-happened-here-avengers-gif-18240147

[gritty ridge]

[glad glade]

I’ll kick him back

[umbral belfry]

[glad glade]

Btw, who do you think will win? Cup or Radeki?

[umbral belfry]

cup

[glad glade]

Gotchu thnx. A unionmate is really close to winning his silver frame and the battle is really close imo

[umbral belfry]

tell him to lock in

[bleak marsh]

I gotta stick with radeki so ash can get their frame

I'll get 'em next time

[umbral belfry]

uno reverse him at the last second

[bleak marsh]

Hard thinking about it
Either we both get it or not

We'll see how I feel after the midterm tonight

[tropic summit]

SP arena

• T1: viper trina cindy noir liter
• T2: SBS DrakeT blanc siren jackal
• T3 centi biscuit helmt bsoda RH

Notes:

your invest is a bit all over the place, increase your CP on the following core utilities/units

• rumani, trina, biscuit, centi, jackal, noise, RH, get laplace treasured** (high priority on RH for both pve and pvp reasons)**
• SGs will be your fillers for now, as there's several highly invested

once the above are fixed, get your teams reviewed

[bleak marsh]

Did you see cup's messages btw?
A very humble person, imo

you guys are so nice, I'm not used to a discord full of them

[umbral belfry]

yeah cup is a good guy. a good pie

[vapid lake]

Rail

[tropic summit]

Penguin

[bleak marsh]

This is pie Vs honorary pie now

[vapid lake]

#questions message

[tropic summit]

hime is a bully tho

[bleak marsh]

I don't see that but...

[umbral belfry]

false

[bleak marsh]

They've gotten my back so far

We'll see after tomorrow

[umbral belfry]

[tepid pulsar]

Who do you guys think will win here?

[tropic summit]

biiiiig boolly

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

radeki used to be in pizzapie too but he went off to do better things but we are cheering for both either way

[bleak marsh]

Ash, I'm sorry, but either we both get the frame or we don't

[umbral belfry]

[bleak marsh]

Awwwwww
I get people leaving Uma unions but not Nikke unions, tbh

Then again, I'm in a casual one so...

[bleak marsh]

[untold tapir]

SG? Also where can find this with the xcel looking spreadsheet

[tropic summit]

burst gen sheet, #pvp-arena message
or https://nikke-deck.web.app/ (mobile friendly)

SG = shotgun, in particular clip SG burst gen tier

[umbral belfry]

? (depends on if Noah gets stunned or if team has 11 cs team wide)
L
L
L
leaning R

and now I go read the side story

[bleak marsh]

This is gonna be interesting

Hime, cup, I trust you and the pies

[oblique ridge]

Join the Skip club

Or tell me if it was Good/Decent/Bad

[tropic summit]

who's the side story about

[umbral belfry]

never

[oblique ridge]

I think it was about Johan but idk the rest of it because I skipped

I say him because multiple scenes showed him before I could press the Skip button fast enough

No spoilers though please

[tropic summit]

[glad glade]

What eden was doing while the commander was playing with the 4 beasts

[tropic summit]

which means ... she has some cutscenes?

[glad glade]

She’s a main character there kek

[tropic summit]

ok maybe i'll read this one

[glad glade]

If it aint a clanker I ain’t shankin

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge how's your alt doing, did you burn out yet on it

[gritty ridge]

I never started it

[jagged mesa]

im gonna bet randomly without telling you

[umbral crown]

good

[bleak marsh]

🫡 🫡 🫡 🫡

That sounds like a gambler in the making, I respect it

[gritty ridge]

Who here should I sr15 first

[tropic summit]

pve wise alice, blanc
pvp wise jackal, noah, biscuit, trina, vesti, rosanna

[jagged mesa]

guys i have 10 blue tickets

its time for noah to come home

[bleak marsh]

LET'S GO GAMBLING

[gritty ridge]

Im set for pve for a long time

[tropic summit]

that's a belorta

[jagged mesa]

i think the reason i dont have her yet is your bad jujus

[bleak marsh]

You got this ash

Noah will come home 😤

[tropic summit]

better to kill any expectations firsthand, that way you can no longer be dissapointed by reality

[hasty oxide]

based on my nikke what's a good rookie arena team

[gritty ridge]

Also, pvp in that order?

[jagged mesa]

damn all 3 accounts hit 0/10 on the blue tickets

[tropic summit]

jackal siren scarlet blanc helmt

[jagged mesa]

i cant remember the last time i won gold from standard

[hasty oxide]

tysm

[tropic summit]

ye jackal and noah should be priority 1, right after biscuit, vestiTU, rosanna and lastly trina

[bleak marsh]

The drops are worse on there, tbf

I'm trying to get crown from it and

[jagged mesa]

its the same % for gold

[bleak marsh]

That's what they want you to think

The numbers WOULD lie to us

[tropic summit]

ash is not familiar with how this game scams work yet it seems

[jagged mesa]

kuwon is a standard banner gamer

c2 crown-ahh mfer

im a doro gamer

[bleak marsh]

[tropic summit]

[jagged mesa]

just wait until doro becomes meta in pvp

stall delayed doro nuke comp

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-mikoto-yamato-ヤマト-命-gif-3247241534324045566

[jagged mesa]

noah in 4d 20h

[tropic summit]

~~who's gonna tell him it took @swift mango over 9 months to find a noah ~~

[jagged mesa]

10 months for me now

[gritty ridge]

Smh just pull noah

[tropic summit]

oof you beat him then

[jagged mesa]

noah in $385

35.6% chance of pulling noah if i bought all that

[gritty ridge]

You mean 0% right?

[jagged mesa]

the VIBES AINT RIGHT HERE

[tropic summit]

imagine spending money on this game

[gritty ridge]

Yeah, im f2p

[tropic summit]

for a small chance to obtain a unit

[gritty ridge]

Rail is a whale tho

Kraken even

[tropic summit]

in reverse yeah

the anti whale

[gritty ridge]

Oht elahw a si liar?

[umbral crown]

pvpfocus only?

[gritty ridge]

Yeap

[jagged mesa]

wtf

[gritty ridge]

?

[tropic summit]

he had a small brain fart

[gritty ridge]

You said backwards

I put it backwards

[jagged mesa]

aint nobody smart enough to read that

[umbral crown]

vesti or rosanna

the one you feel more comfortable

[tropic summit]

i'd rather add survivability to his utilities than units that will be indommed or safe position anyway

[gritty ridge]

Vesti no indom

Only noah noise

[tropic summit]

plus your rosanna OLs are still crap, SR15 won't add enough dmg to make her lethal on non water code units

so that can wait until then

[gritty ridge]

Im working on her lines

[umbral crown]

then defenders and support

[tropic summit]

aye that's why i said jackal and noah, who're clearly attackers

[umbral crown]

did not see your answer

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/shinepost-kyouka-idol-anime-anime-wink-gif-26378608

[umbral crown]

https://tenor.com/view/shine-post-gif-26538346

im also cultured with shine post

[fast nest]

question. Suicide-mihara team should require blanc?

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

what a man of culture

[tropic summit]

specifically, you need to buy time for her DoT to apply any real pressure

blanc gives you 10s regardless

the other option would be stall teams, but you'd be tanking your burst gen with mihara so it makes hard to pull off as effectively as blanc does

[umbral belfry]

the bread and butter

[fast nest]

So it is because of indom from blanc? This means it is not about "damage taken inc" combo.

My another question here is why you dont use noah instead. of course 3sec vs 10 sec is big diff though.

[tropic summit]

the debuff adds up on that, when combo'ed with cindy you've a nuke that denies moran DR

since blanc removes moran's DR buff

[fast nest]

hmm

[tropic summit]

noah is way shorter and doesn't give you debuff + buff as blanc does, plus 10s is way longer than 3s

[fast nest]

So plan is doing suicide. With biscuit, the def unit will last upto 15sec. right?

[umbral crown]

also burst gen

[placid bloom]

if they are a single target team, Biscuit can proc twice

since they will only be hitting the first char

[keen vapor]

Can we talk about Mihara Cindy against Scar? Yes?

[fast nest]

Yeah but I remember you mentioned it last time when the match SBS team vs Cindy team(noah noise biscuit cindy rumani).
In the match it didn't happen because rumani also had taunt.
To use 2 proc on the same def unit, it seems rumani should be p1 in suicide mihara team. right?

[tropic summit]

rumani overrides taunt, if taunt shifts to other defender unit, biscuit stack is partially denied

reducing its effectiveness

to maximize biscuit stacks usage, it should be your main defender unit which already received the previous one

on the other hand, it can be healthy for rumani to receive a stack if you're surviving a scar slash, cuz then you've enough time to cast the chain

once your indom gets going, glass cannons will die, weaker stalls will die, stronger stalls will run out of burst and drop their DR

while you're still running on indom

this is an example: (mihara less)

#pvp-arena message

[keen vapor]

Can Nero stall win against Cindy with Siren?

[tropic summit]

keripo had issues against siren on his stall team because moran OR nero burst would be delayed by siren, which would get it nuked and wiped

the answer is: it's situational on what positioning and backup B2 you've and if moran is in p1

2.5RL teams are generally exposed to siren because of that

[keen vapor]

Nero burst delayed, no back up

[tropic summit]

will be lethal on everyone but moran and nero

assuming whels maybe rapu can live through it though

with core 7 and tempura

[keen vapor]

but Nero won't apply damage taken buff with burst

[umbral crown]

if it does not have blanc then yes

[placid bloom]

I don't think it matters if Nero bursts

Nero doesn't give dmg reduc on burst

she gives it when she gets healed

[umbral crown]

nero burst is a mini nuke to highest hp unit

[keen vapor]

Noah

[tropic summit]

if rapunzel survives the stall team probably has a chance to come back

[placid bloom]

as long as Moran resolves then you should be able to tank

[umbral crown]

then cindy lose

[placid bloom]

Nero will just burst a little slower

that's all

[tropic summit]

then again it's CA, good luck having exactly those conditions in place

[placid bloom]

tbh Nero's burst does like nothing, everything is on her skill 1 + 2

[keen vapor]

Good

[umbral crown]

it does a decent damage when its against wind units

[umbral crown]

but nero team should be well invested, not half baked

[keen vapor]

No

[swift mango]

a whole year actually.
Maybe 1 month off but hey.

[placid bloom]

well if they are dying to the Nero nuke there is something wrong with their team

[umbral crown]

its not like nero will be killing with first burst but has a chance in the 2nd rotation

[placid bloom]

I just realized her skill 2 is just Scar counter while she's bursted

[swift mango]

I'm really close to winning golden frame too.

[umbral crown]

first time blood believing in himself

[tropic summit]

he's drunk

[umbral crown]

that makes sense

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown did you start spendin' btw?

[glad glade]

Good luck bro!

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-id-win-gojo-nah-id-win-gojo-satoru-gojo-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-722934852497975468

[umbral crown]

kinda

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

no yet

[swift mango]

Thanks.

[tropic summit]

but soon...

soon you'll leave us...

[umbral crown]

like the movies:.. Coming soon

[tropic summit]

you won't be the same anymore

it will change you

[umbral crown]

always the same

just with a few more levels

[tropic summit]

you'll spend gems ever- oh wait you do that already

[umbral crown]

but in banner cuz sp is dead

[tropic summit]

your whel gonna panic once he knows he can't shake you off anymore by just 💳

[umbral crown]

c5 got a win on me after 40 days, i attacked back, swapped team 2 and team 3 again and he lost

gave up on me again

[tropic summit]

crushed his hope and dreams fast

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

wait still f2p getting 60 over you huh

[tropic summit]

what a booly

[tropic summit]

rosy campaign team is something else

[umbral crown]

C1 has 114 levels or so over me

but the rest are just 40-50 levels, not big deal

[swift mango]

I mean the f2ps in the brackets.

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

the filth 🫃

[umbral crown]

oh, the f2ps are higher level and campaign than me

they actually do pve

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/suisei-credit-card-hololive-suisei-credit-card-gif-22602303

soon Rosy gonna unleash the real true weapon of this game

the ultimate defense

[umbral crown]

that would only work for pve or a chance to get in range with the whale

[tropic summit]

all you need is to be in attacker range, don't even need to def cuz you'll make them bleed gems

[umbral crown]

my cp is close to the 501 in C3 weij

he is 3.1 and im 2.9

[swift mango]

C4 in my bracket getting both 3% in SEA and top 8 in this CA. Bro is a good malder.

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

[umbral crown]

the dream

[tropic summit]

stronk in both pve and pvp

[umbral crown]

me in the future

[tropic summit]

how many years from now

[umbral crown]

15 years later
nothing

[tropic summit]

in time for nikke v4.0

[umbral crown]

tha time they will be giving frames for free so i can have a chance to get them

[gritty ridge]

@tropic summit how does this matchup look?

[tropic summit]

bottom wins, better stack usage and better DPS,

[gritty ridge]

Thx, thats my team

@tropic summit what abt this one

Im iffy abt that one

[tropic summit]

you're bursting slightly faster than them

2 SGs will shoot you into 1.7-1.9RL

plus they'll likely die and drop in burst gen

probably bottom win

[gritty ridge]

Ill be running these in a few days when I jump to 281

The reason im iffy is cuz of vesti killing pre burst

[tropic summit]

that's dependant on you

temperance and non deficit will keep scarlet and trina alive

SR15 or SR5 would also help

[gritty ridge]

Temp on trina instead of quantum then?

[leaden canyon]

example of the 1.7RL

[tropic summit]

pointless to have burst gen if you're ded

[leaden canyon]

if my liter was linked that would have been better

[gritty ridge]

Fair

[leaden canyon]

also my team was at deficit

[gritty ridge]

I love having lvl 7 tempura

Lvl 5 quantum tho

[leaden canyon]

I'm holding off on using my union chips to see if they do a union shop update

if nothing gets announced for anni them I'm going for 15 tempering

[gritty ridge]

After I get lvl 8 quantum i think im gonna start dumping into either vigor, temper, or resi

[swift mango]

You have resilience 15 no?

[swift mango]

There is a chance his Vesti synched shot with Anis or Noise or even both each on different shot. Small but there.

[swift mango]

I haven't been using Quantum much recently. lv 7 should be fine

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna slot it on my whole sg team

Im boutta make you look like that emote i stg

[livid marsh]

No one use delta ninja?

[pastel narwhal]

[haughty mortar]

I need help to beat someone in SPA

[onyx scaffold]

did the guy try to snipe me

[swift mango]

Yeah I sniped you.

[keen vapor]

No Blanc?

[keen vapor]

What do you have

[swift mango]

You

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Yes I got sniped

Twice even

My will to rank up is low right now like even XP got me

I haven't got good lines for the past week either

Maybe I should just hoard and not roll at all

[keen vapor]

Don't have stop insisting you whale

[ocean oyster]

Man its actually unwinnable in my bracket.. just want one ca win

[gritty ridge]

Since when are you MA?

[keen vapor]

Everyone does

Even me

[raven plover]

me too

[keen vapor]

Not Blood, he wins all the time

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/kolow-gif-22856605

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

[swift mango]

You are just 🧱

[raven plover]

[swift mango]

My last win was season 6.

[ocean oyster]

Even if I get match up advantage, They have everything maxed out and I lose anyway

[swift mango]

Max SG team not gonna beat your biscuit wall.

[covert lintel]

You need to secure the top 4 first

[ocean oyster]

Well its 4-1 then..

[swift mango]

Max out Nero not gonna beat RH+Blanc buffed wipe.

[ocean oyster]

One guy isnt even running a sg team. He runs a core7 absolut Team and wipes everything pre burst lol

[swift mango]

Slow Cindy beat it no cap.

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-kenobi-maybe-some-day-someday-one-day-gif-26036494

[pearl cypress]

Who did we bet on Radeki or Cup 😭

[swift mango]

Few people asking without even showing match up for this match for hours now. Just flip a coin. Or trust in Keripo whale mate.

[pearl cypress]

🙏

[dire root]

What RL does Siren stun?

Oh I guess I should say how low does their RL have to be for siren to stun a B1.

[swift mango]

She probably could stun this if she was p4-5. And your team doesn't have feeds units aside from her.

[dire root]

What do you mean P4-5?

[swift mango]

Maybe one SG should still be fine

[swift mango]

From left to right. P1 to p5.

[dire root]

Sirens postion change how she shoots?

I knew weapon type did

[swift mango]

P1-3 she got killed by Vesti.

[dire root]

Oh

[leaden canyon]

yes

[dire root]

I wonder if everyone is just going to die from Vesti hitting the link.

[swift mango]

Man I'm unable to decide going for Resilence 15 or Tempering first lol.... Maybe just carve and go with Resilence.

[glacial hound]

both our matches happened without one shot bug

[swift mango]

Just hope Manchor survive. Put Tempering or Vigor on her

[leaden canyon]

You should do resilience first to help with hard campaign pushing so you can get your outpost higher

[glacial hound]

cup is all max core team my mihara is mlb

and sr10

if cindy gets biscuit it should be fairly winnable

but its very rng in general

my rumani is too low invest to tank any scar i meet

[dire root]

Guess I lost

Wish it showed me the match

It doesn't even see which teams won

so for all I know Ein team won and team 1 lost

[swift mango]

It's investment diff and you barely won. I won't count on something like this.

[umbral crown]

go

[glacial hound]

slow cindy is rng in general nothing is guaranteed

[swift mango]

The Cindy p5 getting biscuit is even more unlikely.

[haughty mortar]

Since last SPA

[gritty ridge]

[leaden canyon]

I'm just going to be patient about it even though 15 tempering would help

[swift mango]

Go apply 🫃

[haughty mortar]

I do have Blanc
@keen vapor

[umbral crown]

yeah, mostly for CA. im 1 battery away from lv15 tempura but no chips

[gritty ridge]

Im not applying again, I cant kiss people if im MA

[haughty mortar]

Don't tell me you've never been?

[swift mango]

I feel like their Scarlet counter being too stronk biting them back in the ass rather than investment diff on your side.

[glacial hound]

would be interesting to tally how many slow cindy wins against scarlet are because of cindy getting biscuit v.s. rumani surviving the nuke

i don't think that many people have strong enough rumani to survive

even without winning scar slow cindy is a decently strong team and doesn't use up burst gen allowing your other teams to be faster

winning scar is usually more RNGsus blessing

[swift mango]

Rumani p1 Blanc p2 you have 90% chance both survive until burst against scarlet.

[haughty mortar]

Just FYI, I have been able to beat them up to 2 days ago. And I have upgraded some skills, and went up 2 synch levels since then.

[glacial hound]

6 time jp champ taiwan bro tested different orientations extensively and blanc p1 is still higher win rate

both are usable probably just depends on ur preference

[swift mango]

Only talking about versus scarlet here. Not other team.

[glacial hound]

well obviously you want to optimize for overall win rate

[swift mango]

Just get lucky.

[glacial hound]

[swift mango]

And to be frank it's pointless to calculate win rate against team that's not Nero, Scar, Vesti, SG that everyone are using right now.

[glacial hound]

of course thats what they used to test, they have friend in SP

[swift mango]

Then they test wrong because Rumani+Blanc p1+2 win against those 4 teams just as well

Even better against scarlet

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/YxftS7MSsYo?si=qznqcvaONkOfw0hT

[haughty mortar]

So any advise as to team comp?

[swift mango]

I mean, the standard positioning with Blanc+Midhara+Rumani+Biscuit+Cindy is probably better against random teams. But CA has became very specific recently. Hard to say what will work for your specific CA bracket.

I'm not a fan of indom Midhara though.

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

Ez

If you fail that's Scarlet investment issue

Or Trina

[haughty mortar]

Scarlet is 10 across, with OL, but not rerolls. Trina has all OLwith no rerolls, 4/7/7

[keen vapor]

No attack on Scarlet

But also higher synch

[haughty mortar]

She has 2 ele lines

[keen vapor]

No

[haughty mortar]

Does team 2 truly not matter?

Yes team 3 shit the bed

What cubes should I use?

[swift mango]

Trina skill 2 want max out tbh. S3 could stay 4 even.

[swift mango]

Sound like @covert lintel scarlet

[haughty mortar]

Currently other nikke have prio over her. Namely SDoro

[swift mango]

If you meant Rock then yeah save.

[wild hemlock]

Keripo has 43 ammo on Scarlet do I need more ammo

[swift mango]

32 is optimal if you used scarlet p1 with Trina.

[wild hemlock]

Yeah I just got 30 but was just noticing Keripo has 43

[swift mango]

He didn't use Scarlet p1.

[wild hemlock]

oh i didn't notice

wait no it is

[placid bloom]

are people still even using Mermaid in CA

feel like you're playing around fake mechanic

[umbral crown]

some are

[wild hemlock]

He was actually vs Siren in that youtube video lol

[placid bloom]

[umbral crown]

but for my case scar mast trina can delete siren ez

[wild hemlock]

But he killed them so fast it didn't matter

[umbral crown]

[wild hemlock]

Ammo probably doesn't matter if you have 21% cs on your gen rl's?

[umbral crown]

keripo too op

[placid bloom]

well it matters for B3

you can get fast enough to dodge stun on p1 B2 but not B3

[wild hemlock]

but he just did

[placid bloom]

but if your invest is that high you should have strong Scar too

[wild hemlock]

https://youtu.be/YxftS7MSsYo?si=uxtw1EqMjKIIJuPB&t=160

Unless I'm missing something

[placid bloom]

well for Scar Jackal specifically you can get fed even lower than that but not everyone is using Scar with Jackal anymore

Mermaid gives quite a bit of feed

[wild hemlock]

He bursted so fast he never got stunned

[placid bloom]

well Mermaid died to counter

at 155/201 bullets

which is not 50 bullets

she was close

[wild hemlock]

So was it just unlucky mermaid died

[swift mango]

Sometime, she is a rouge option now. You would see her sometime in a CA champ team but not usually. Her main team right now is actually the team I made in 2nd CA.

Noise+Noah+Anis+Siren +Cindy.

[placid bloom]

I still think it's building around fake mechanic

but weaker player are slow to adjust to meta so they will use old teams

and then you get sacked by weaker player

RNG arena

[gritty ridge]

I use siren cuz it adds pressure to my vesti team