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Would these teams be good on attack too?
attack is based on what you facing
those teams would be situationally good or not
e.g. you want to avoid using scarlet against an enemy noah on same or faster speed
Oh I see, are there any resources where I can see which characters counter which?
anti noah
Is there a list of meta team comps for sp arena so I can have an idea on who to put together? 
anti biscuitless enemy
generic 2RL nuke against slower team
stalling + sustain anti nuke
i'd say these are the 4 most common archetypes you should get familiar with
not all nikke used in the vids are strictly necessary to achieve the archetype, although some are core parts of them
notably: helmT, jackal, biscuit, noah, scarlet, trina, rumani, centi, blanc can play as core
other units may be subbed with less optimal but still good
check pins
SG team (can run rosanna for further snowball)
Is the cn vs dorimine? In ca
RL = rocket launcher? I usually just put whichever team has most rocket launchers against them to get my burst off the fastest
if you're unfamiliar with arena jargon and mechanics, highly suggest giving this a read
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/
burst gen (RL thresholds)
Lol yeah it sure is
i see
Are you betting on that one too? I think overall Dorimine takes it
Iโm checking right now again
Doromine pov imo
L
W
?
L
RNG, favoured dorimine
His sg team should technically win 
CN need to clutch 3/5 to stand a chance, he can win in 1/4
I think dorimine wins the first 4 matches and has a high chance of losing the last one, unless he gets the 1/10 scenarios where soda stuns laplace and emilia
Vesti and laplace linked , but indom gonna go to vesti anyway
Lowest hp
Hmm ok but what if blanc or jackal get stunned by soda?
for those that didn't get particular changes/reshuffle in their bracket, if the top players are all active, chances are less likely, although you can get isekaied if active players start quitting
Was there a shuffle today?
no this was a thread i had opened a few days back to get clearer details on reshuffle chances
ask them how do they reorganize it

Oh hey, we have a bracket with absolutely no one quitting in 3 months exists. 
Pray is blanc and scar have the power to 1 shot them, if not gonna happen the same as happened to me
Then my bracket gonna stay the same
C2 forever 
Nooe, just end of a season
@midnight marsh my friendo, ho you doing? Did you get isekaied to another CA brcket?
@hoary maple when are you going to get back your Blanc unsirenable team
or can I use it first?
-# I can't
oh i gotta build her. neat~
Is Blanc with Vesti 
Yeah, half of our CA group got isekaied starting last season
Last season and this season is the same
oh waos, i got into a bracket where i fought some whales and one got me today
force your way then
I'm in a CA with multi-time winners. (The win for last season's winner was his 2nd win. He's back in the finals this season. I'm fighting him in the finals today but I'm probably going to lose. So he might get 3rd win this season
)
Let me check. I think his are mostly standard.
i imagine
I know that JP/CA is picking up a new team that has Cinderella Blanc Mihara
but this guy didn't go for it
yeah, team is strong against nero teams, scar soda trina
i went with this team this season and also tunning scar trina mast jackal
ooooooooo
ok, his name is Yrotciv (Victory spelled backwards):
Bay - Biscuit - Vesti - Maiden - Rumani
Scarlet - Trina - RH - Anis - Centi
Noise - Jackal - Noah - S.Anis - Ada
Viper - Soda - Blanc - Rosy - Drake```
for next season im thinking to go with some new cooks and better positioning for blanc mihara cindy
owo
i foughr a similar team 5 like that and for my surprise i won last season with my sg in mirror
Ooooooo 

haha nice nice
today my nero team, laplace version lost to the RH version
first time i see my nero team losing a mirror

oh yeah I've been out of the loop for a while (Umamusume took over my life hahaha). What's the deal with the RH version? What is the exact comp? I've seen it with biscuit(?) not sure
Nero Moran Helm RH Rapunzel or could also be rapu P4
the key is to let RH do B1-B3 to clean the rest of the enemy units
wao I see hmmmm
but for that rapu P5
im just gonna keep re cooking to win next season, i already have my cook ready, just giving some ajustments and skill investment
nice nice
yeah, with these bois is mandatory to get some new cooks to win
Who are you, you look familiar
is a friendo
Shame
I cheated I used 23 pull on Ada banner so it was actually 87. 
55 pulls farmed today for 1 Ada dupe. 
110 pulls 3 SSR

Why did you pull more ada
Soon will be liberio's time
shes a banner not liberation? 
or whatever the mode called 
Yeah, she's called liberalio but she has never been in the liberation 
I mean she could be like nihi 
I just jump back and forth because Jill banner refuses to drop anything good.

She is in trash can for all I care. 
SU: you will regret it. We're gonna make her core in pvp
Fc them. They didn't give me Rapu. I'm arena bricked anyway. 
Oh wait, I already pulled 75 times yesterday.
So it's 130 pulls for 3 SSR, including Ada.
And 107 pulls for zero jill.

I got Jill in 70
And Ada 45k gems after 
You still have to match me 
Pull more
Wait, my math is wrong
already done
I have spent totally 280 pulls this event.
Except for those 28 vouchers on Ada before pulling for Jill
it's the middle, not before
I meant my pulls
So, I wasted abnormal vouchers before Jill
Surely next single 
Here
for you
-# @umbral crown help
Huh, can't siren this guy
Ada overloaded yet?
Not yet but i have the resources to do it
If it's worth
tbf, shouldn't be really needed
What are Noise skills, both sides investment seems abnormally low 
Not low really huh?
Full overload ofc with 2 cs line
And I get that you're in Challenger? Lucky for not needing dolls investment on your bracket
He's good at mind games 
Why you thought I recommended Blanc team against Rosanna
YOU PUT REVERSE ORDER 
Ah frick
YOU FLY WITH INVERTED UP/DOWN DONT YOU 
-# Clearly my fault for overlooking that part
I did it now
I won, thanks
Then can u help me build my deff also, i have everyone except new vesti
I don't mind investing in anyone include their doll or treasure
No new Vesti 
What are Scarlet lines
im guessing Noah no overload now
Noah full overload
Scarlett 4 max ammo 1 atk
All s tier pvp nikke i have them on overload
Max ammo 
With Vesti can a spread of 2 lines of CS and 2 lines of ammo be enough in PVP? Leaving ele and atk for the 2 other spots. (e.g atk/ele/cs or atk/ele/ammo)
yeah, 2cs 2ammo is just nice. The rest being ele/atk
For pvp you need all the CS you can get
So 4 lines should be your goal
Why need that much
So any team suggestions i can build?
The legendary three 2RL team 
Maybe Noise instead of Moran better
But at that point be sure Noah has more charge speed than noise
I only use her in CA, correct 
Me only 50 pull for ada and jill
At least you got sbs 
You mean the trash I only need 1 copy to farm Kraken? 
If they chose to rerun Makima in the middle of this event I would be so pissed that I would just ticket one copy of her and quit this game.
I think they are putting a fake rate on limited units on flagged accounts like mine. It's always 1% rate up not 2%. Pilgrim would be a bit easier to get than limited unit.
For now I would stop spending more than minimum time on this game this game. And use my time on better things than being a brick.
With my luck and 3-4 Collab a year, I could only save for Collab and nothing else.
Pilgrim, winter, new year, summer. All trashed.
Its been a week of me and this bro battling 
Manage to make him using his gem, then c5 kinda useless now lol
When you doesn't feel like lucky, you should borrow other people's hand to gacha your account 
@tropic summit when ever you get a chance, I dont run into bay enough so idk how this will go
Bay is like noah anti-nuke, but I think that you should win that.
same moran, helmT, rapu.
diff is bay + drakeT vs nero + LapT
nero DR > Bay anti-nuke here
DrakeT is just shooting your Nero and shouldn't be lethal
only thing I'm not sure on is if they're faster than you and therefore helm could snipe your helm
hes also 2.5
CS can make a difference here I think on who bursts first
I'd like your odds but wait for Rail to confirm is not a bad idea also ๐
It's not a team I've faced either
I mean helm gets res anyway by rapu on next run around
that isn't usually fatal, but bay does damage share
so vesti may be good anyway
it does remove your vesti from the other team though
can try this
nah its 11.53
If you quit give your account to me 
you'd never quit 
uh let's see
Switched to this
T1 is fine unless rosanna is stacked enough to 1hitKO full HP SBS
T2 generally nero moran stall deals better against non nero moran bay variant, because bay does not fully stack DR, while nero does.
the first trade will be resulting your helmT dying, should revive afterward and out trade
T3 depending on sacc working as intended, you wipe with vestiTU, leaving only defenders alive
His rosanna is really stacked
well vestiTU/laplace can work as flex, with vesti giving you potentially better 2nd burst cycle
ada indom should work although she has to dig through 2 stacks of biscuit
an AoE indom like RRH/vestiTU could work better
alrighty
if your xmaiden is properly built she can clear that team alone
instead of SBS i mean
won't be targetted as xmaiden is not an attacker
we did this before with Hippo
she has no attack overloads, but lots of ele
RRH on rapi team needs helm
I am not, but almost lol
its like 14.92
its like 15 something thats deficit right?
15,4%
14,92% should be fine 
mine isn't really properly built either tbh but she works
is nero moran helm rapu laplace able to survive against the vesti team?
but my xmaiden is SR-15 7/10/7 at least
mines 10/10/10
xmaiden doesn't need much to just smash scarlet once the nuke is caught
just need 2RL with noah or bay and an attacker to eat the ros nuke
beating the scar team should be easy enough
I ran this feeds to 2RL
vesti may get killed or not by ros but shouldn't matter, noah blocks nuke and xmaiden will clean up
if you have helmT available you can lower the other battery requirements a bit
just need something that gets to 2RL really and includes bay or noah, this version if bay but noah also works here
if vesti does not run blanc, yes
I'd say aim to take on one of the other two teams with a reliable winning comp then see what you can run for the scar team that maintains the 2RL bay/noah
can do this, blanc and jackal survive right?
I would be at deficit with bay
blanc only takes fire from p1 p2 p3 p4, assuming SR15 purple doll she should, although bay is hitting for ele weak
your SBS might get chewed up by ros
shes not SR 15
a tad riskier then
put linked unit in p1 instead?
whoever is unlinked in p4, blanc p3
Vesti and drake linked
is your xmaiden low cp vs sbs?

not convinced that team can win think sbs ๐
but it depends how confident you are with the others
lappy B3 is weak 
LapT new target ofc
More like its centi weighing the team down
ros will snipe at lapT before you b3
although if noise is in the equation and on same speed, it's mitigated
she might survive but it's a bit rng
LapT has more health than sbs so she has a better chance at surviving
Electric is strong against water lol
t2 wins
Actually would t2 be able to block scarlet blanc hood trina jackal
I feel like thats too much for bay to block
bay will block if she's same speed
damn she can block tripple buff scar?
if she has cover she blocks stuff basically
bay is anti nuke for scar it's why I suggested it before ๐
welp idk what to do, I'll just throw one of these at it
well record/see what happens is useful
did you win @leaden canyon ?
no I didn't attack, its my last attack so going to snipe
fingers crossed it works

who did it?
let me at em
๐ท
the last ca winner that's now ca winner again
tenshi? ๐ฎ
you have tenshi also maybe
stronger tenshi prolly

I'm just happy being in top 8 again

I finally won a CA 
McChamp 
a pie wins 




Look my pfp

๐ฅง

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@unique mountain Who win i didn't login to game
Congrats!!
Finally got both cheer frames. Iโm finally free
nice nice!
@valid inlet YIPPPPPPPPPPPIEEEEEE
Can I get some help building teams?
Yay
Congrats 
@umbral belfry dpx win?
he did indeed
I would've got frame if I didn't vote j 
dpx was the clear winner
you voted against him?
I voted jsasor in top 32 and he lost
@hollow lagoon
@dense kindle 
Look at these whales 

๐
Why this one cute
woke up felt cute


congratz, sir.
To some pvp cracks here, this may not be anything special anymore. But it truly is special to us, at least.

What happened 
I said sorry in advance 
@terse dragon hi, you won again?
Yes
thanks
10 champion frame 
11

path to 30 frame 
Wanna be like him when i grow up
@mystic rain @swift mango @tropic summit @keen vapor @covert lintel @fast nest Thanks a ton for the help guys. I finally managed to get that frame thanks to you! Also here are the results of the matches if you're curious which teams actually won. 

It was normally right in the end 
Perfect victory
But i was right the team 4 right side win
I was wrong๐ญ
I expected RLRLL but it was RLLRL
At the end of the day it was left that won, either way
So everyone that bet on left cheers!
you doomed retro's cheer

Can I take this guy out with this team?
you don't need siren
multiple ways to deal with this
- jackal vestiTU helmt blanc centi
- noah biscuit helmt rosanna laplaceT
- noah trina biscuit s.anis jackal
pick whichever you've better invested
Or just Siren it 
don't assume enemy teams aren't siren resistant, especially with multiple clip RL tier units
I'll always assume it first from lower synch 
then i've bad news for you 
Real a guy that I have been beating consistently suddenly after getting Siren became unbeatable 
No one builds CS on biscuit
only needs emi noah and helmt there
What team to deal with this?
Scar Siren it again 
Just Scar Siren everyone 
vesti indom 2RL
double taunt (they fixed attract) - e.g noise noah flexDPSB3 flex jackal (2RL)
I've tried this but i lost
@valid inlet Grats, I don't think any amount of investment would have flipped any of these matches for me pretty sure so I have no complaints 

dafuq is biscuit doin' there
Change to emi?
jackal vestiTU helmt blanc centi
default 2RL indom vesti
since it's a water code linked s.anis, you could mirror s.anis to out trade
e.g.
noah trina biscuit s.anis jackal
you hit their link on ele%, they hit no ele advantage
21 deficit, no doll jackal, you're ded
multiply enemy CP (301k) x 0.846 to find out the minimun required CP to not be hit by penalty above

rakuen you've played pvp for probably over 10+ months why you still putting your water code unit in p5 against enemy SG with ele advantage?
s.anis slaughtered your link
18% deficit you're still ded
show your box, maybe you not using some obvious tools
i've tried out many positions but still lost
cuz you're water code linked
remove helmT from link or sub her
the biscuit costs more than jackal sadly
That team is 2RL
My vesti burst get blocked by noah
that's fine, show these 2 CP wise
vestiTU needs to outdps them after burst
else just change strat, invest issue
I think i need 20 ammo first
It's only 16 atm
noah trina biscuit s.anis jackal (if your s.anis is invested)
this one is KO, let's see the other
Can't mirror
@cyan scroll this one should do, show le CP
holy f your jackal 
the woes of not investing
rrh naga helmt rh bsoda
i could in theory give her a gear piece
try one last time the above
Too much cp gap
prioritize your campaign and kraken team anyway
once that's done get jackal up to speed and you've a chance
Whats ur main stage squad's cp?
yeah im at the point i just dont think it matters to take first off this guy
What is his stage and your stage currently?
Good. you are at higher stage. Just time matter.
he could push at any time though
But he didnt.
Yes. He was supposed to pushed by around 32-x stage but he didnt. It means he dont want to push red cp stage.
even i can push further i have just been savoring it a bit since crown came home ive been blasting the campaign
Right now ur core dust' efficiency is way better than him. Just focus on stage thingy for now.
yeah ill eat the what like 10 tickets lost from getting 2nd and just continue to swole up my box
i like jackal a lot though so shes gone get invested eventually anyway
and centi too for that matter
aaaaaye congrats! Getting either of them is not fun
frame that attests you've missed out on x5 credit box rewards
i still find it curious how ppl want to go for that over credits
Could you let us know the result of the last match?
Flour vs Loot we loot your flour kind sir 
I didn't until I inadvertently failed 4 of the first guesses.
After that, what's 2 more.
Anything specific?
Finally
also I was actually using that comps I shared last time, so happy it works out now
My trio won Mihara Cindy team twice this season 2W 1L
Super surprised 
yaaaay nana got the star
congrats!
I'm not quitting things quickly but I have quit tons of games after a long period of consideration. Now is the consideration period for me in this game.
Bad pull rate with so many fomo.
Thanks
actually if your Blanc maxed hp, she might be able to get Biscuit invincibility, itโs just that she got killed by Besti in one shotโฆ that would change the game
Wish you get it next season too 
I'm trying 
I got top 8 again this season
being with the toddlers now instead of full babies is 
Itโs ok I wasnโt even top 64 
it's okay bc you made up for it winning this ca 
Ughhh good luck sometimes being lucky is better than investments in the RNG arena

Oh didn't see it yeah guess I'll max out blanc doll
I did think I was going to win that matchup actually but didn't notice blanc not getting indom at all. Didn't think it was possible she would get 1 tapped and not get biscuit skill 
Yall think its worth dumping more rocks into her right now?
Or should I start dumping into vesti
does she oneshot ppl at your sync easily? if yes, get other units some invest
tbh she doesnt need that much with her big self atk buff and trina, very optimal only needed at very high lvl sync
mbe would only reroll the stats on that 3rd piece to get avgish numbers
it prob doesnt need more just for pvp tho, making the ele decent would be more for making her usable for sr
@tropic summit after all this time my opponent set new teams but frankly I think they are weaker than before lol
is 61% ammo below 33 ammo?
oh it is
She oneshots at deficit with single buff
my best score is over 900K now but you can get over 1M with nade spam
mine's 800k
i cant seem to roll the enhance mobs early enough
problem with nade spam is
i dont collect nuff grenades to begin with
this one
oh
moar xp
also need range me thinks
I dunno so much on range
it feels like stuff winds up perm in range eventually and therefore less value
the xp ones are hard to get 3 of
having 1 seems to make my run go better
1 is fine, wouldn't necessarily chase them
the problem with enhance mob is
when i do get all 3, i dont have nuff reload or knockback
yeah lot of rng
are u ready for union raid? lelllellele
show le matchup
my badly rolled s doro holding me back
well. she's decent for ele neutural
but her only hacing 22% ele hurts
I feel like the same teams from my side still win
biscuit out for bay but objectively makes that team weaker
the other one is just adding helmT instead of rumani to scar team but it's still 2RL
noah team skip but I'll send 2RL scar if I have pieces left do it just in case
helmt just make that team not really faster
right yes, this is whale-chan keeps changing team trying to beat me but i'm on track for 4 x SPA 1 wins in a row
but I only need 700K to be above deficit cap
seems a real easy to kill scarlet if anything, u could concievely do it with nuff iron code
pre burst
could be funny af
helt buff atk dmg but that would be after scarlet's nuke and scarlet would be dead by then
well scarlet will likely still b3 and then die
ye
so helm won't be bursting either
so idk what his change is for
xmaiden clears up

u do have nuff pieces for 2rl scarlet
yeah I think I do
scarlet trina redhood anis centi
I send it just in case it wins
just needs scar to survive and nuke
that is 2.5 or 3RL cindy is doable
better than blue nikke abuse
my SR anis alright she SR-5 with 2OL
granted the OL is bs roll but she's got at least some cp
I'm keeping materials for now
I have a good numb er and crates, want to be able to SR-15 the main new pilgrim
says keeping materials, OL purple nikkes
I did that a while ago
how do u have the gear exp
I ran out of other purple RL nikke to do ๐
I don't really, I just put them where I think it's best
my xanne will probably be going into next CA with no more upgrades lol
yayyyyyyyy finally
enjoy not pulling pilgrims on the regular
???
bro not running 2RL indom vesti yet, all yours that's boring
yeah the vesti team was fine, my scar didn't crit so didn't win, the opponent scar team was a little dicier than usual lol
but I think that is partial rng
Tyty. My guess for 1 2 3 5 seemed correct.
Rate my vesti so far
I won
Almost won t3 lmao
Going to try with S.anis in p5 instead and its still 2.5
what the hell changed in arena to make Siren targeted first?
looks like scar s2
huh, which bish is shooting Scarlet when there's a whole line of them to shoot at?
Jackal linked
Hitting any jackal linked unit when scarlet is linked activates scar s2
Yeah so siren there just procing the hell out of it
Siren isn't even needed on that team anyway
slip Rosanna in instead?
What are vesti lines, 4 atk 4 ammo 1 cs 3 ele?
She only needs 2 ammo
probably nothing close to that
4 att, 4 ele and 2 cs for pvp works
man drake almost solo carried the ending lmao
You
Yeee, going to try B.soda emilia trina rosanna S.anis next, if soda gets sacked quick enough, which she should, then S.anis burst goes off instead
or I could do sbs
sbs might be better once the biscuit indom wears off
if vesti was in p5 that team wins btw. if I replace vesti in t2 with sbs will sbs still kill through bay? idk how sbs and bay interaction works
his team is 2.5 and replacing vesti with sbs puts me at 2.5 also
10
How much cs for vesti to speed up my burst
you guessed it, https://nikke.work/
aim for 2 lines or 3 line, but 4 atk is the priority
Hi, everyone! So, I've been working on my og Scarlet and Trina (mostly Trina since I got her very recently). What would be the best teamup for those two? Would Moran be necessary too?
Pinned teams :Liter sip:
oh, thanks!
@polar echo bru is forcing his way and is dragging you down to reach me

<@&946725432554836008>
To whale some levels?
Its what we woud do
hmm
if only this opinion was shared widely by the community, maybe we could actually get the devs to listen
but no, keep droppin' money on the game to get those juicy lewds
Nah complaining about rouge coat more important

U dont realise just how underfinished the entire game is until u seen pierot's thread, it dates back 2 years
i've been complaining since over a year, every single survey
i've invested 0 cents in this game because i loathe what they're doing and NOT doing with it
potential is immense, but here we are, best we can do is some recoloured SR, which mostly doesn't even work at first without cancelling it a few times 
Pierot's post indeed resonates very well and speaks about the most important problem this game is still facing, stagnation
imagine droppin' money at all on this 

if you don't mind, could you let me know what the result was?
Just found Nikke Deck. Is there instructions on what the buttons do or percentages mean?
Is charge speed
Either of the collab units meta?
Well, Ada can finish a Noah before she gets Biscuit buff (after shield down)
But that did come after Vesti which is overall a better offensive unit
generally that only works when the rest of ur team gets wiped too iirc
or else ur team just procs 2nd biscuit for her 
We only saw that trick once though
wonder what synch gap will negate Ada's niche
That's usually not hard to happen
depends on enemy team for example noah ada will basically never do it or ur fighting a non aoe comp
cuz noah ada will either block the wipe and everyone lives or kill ada along with the team cuz noah didnt invuln 
She will break slipper 
how to beat this team?
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Oh my god bruh 
does this win?
Isnt that first team a bit slow for scar 2rl
lol i just hope mihara's tick doesn't kill me in 5 seconds
can team 2 win with that cp diff?
Im guessing ur going for t3 win, might work, prob could use cindy tho
Depends how strong their rosa is probably
Over maiden i mean
Thank you
I uave Ein for it
He lost the entire season rewards in two hours 
Against cindy mihara, 2 RL scar jack, and for vesti, an indok vesti should win
Its about learning the hard way
This was after he copied 2 of my teams somewhat, thought hed at least cook a hard counter for one of them
Scarlet Trina Red Hood in this case
reduce him to ashes
And.... Maiden huh? It works, I often do it with Cindy burst instead but if you're comfortable with that it's okay
I finally got Noise on my second account. Because of the lack of units, my PvP teams are somewhat orthodox, but does she basically take the crown position here?
Crown, Biscuit, Red Hood, Anis, Drake
Which tier list for pvp would anyone say is the most trustworthy/updated?
none lol
No that team doesnt really want noise
hmmmm how about Rumani, then put Noise on this team
BSoda, Rumani, Centi, Cinderella, Noir
Check pins, note some lists not fully to date tho
Standard teams tho, ull realize its most of the same units used
Bringing Noise will slow down the team 
well I completely misjudged his second team lol
thought it would be faster
I guess I'll use mihara next time
Damn she is slow. She could go on the CP buffer team but that might just defeat the point
Actually it's pretty close. They're slow as molasses anyway, and it's a CP difference of like 5
Rapipi, Noise, Grave, SBS, Alice
Good 
Huh? You actually were going for a 3 win?
Awesome. thank you all kindly
I could never
any improvement needed for my current def team? (no emilia)
team 1 - 2.5 RL
team 2 - 2RL
team 3 - 2.5 RL
u can play around with blanc cindy as well
swap it in on some days to throw off ur attackers

Hope i could be strong like you
no chance
Siren/Noah/Cindy/Rumani/Biscuit, how do you go up against this? I tried RH/Scarlet/Trina/Centi/Jackal so that RH gets stunned, but that didn't work
This is in SP Arena so I have to consider the options that I have available...
One of my other teams include Noah/Moran/Biscuit/HelmT/LaplaceT, I'm generally pretty confident with this team
Otherwise I'm pretty open for anything
Did the scar nuke get blocked by noah?
Just wondering if its 2.5 or not because that cindy team can be 2.5 with enough cs and a quantum
... another reminder that I should WATCH the matches xD
But it sounds like that's the case
Assuming its not 2.5 then you should be able to kill it with 2RL jackal vesti team
Sounds like a plan, considering both Siren and Noah are Wind coded
Time to give Vesti some serious steroids and protein drinks
Jackal vesti flex blanc helmT can be a team for it, or if you are in CP deficit you can do jackal blanc biscuit vesti helm
I'm sure there are other teams that can kill that, like a stall team
If your noah has more cs than noise then noise takes the stun instead of noah which is fine if the team is 2RL
gives you more options if thats the case
CP isn't a major issue, I have slightly higher CP in general
Yeah I was gonna say, I'm kinda considering a more "unorthodox" defensive team
But the question is if my Nikkes can hold on for that long
Otherwise I have to Burst really fast
You dont have to burst really quick against that team if your noise can take the stun
Noise noah helm/vesti biscuit/flex rumani
True
Noise can take the stun in that team and rumani will still let it burst
Noise only takes the stun if your noah has more charge speed though
The thing is that I'd prefer to not use Noah or Helm since they're used in another team, unless I'm forced to, but that would probably require me to think how I should team build other teams xD
(I sounded really lazy there)
Oh ok, the 2Rl vesti should work and you can make it 2Rl without helm
it becomes a little iffy if his team is 2.5 because it will still block vesti burst, but vesti can do a lot of damage after initial burst anyway
I'm honestly gonna go with that possibility, I'd prefer to think that my opponent has done some research at least
PvP folks what sort of cube does Ada or Vesti needs?
it's situational
-need to survive early pressure/rosanna? temperance
-need to have more CS% to get that threshold? adjutant
-need extra ele dmg or just stats? resil/bastion
is T1 noah or noise taunt priority
is T2 scarlet siren resistant? (ammo check)
T3 is on the weaker side, helmT should be used on a team you can get natural 2RL
other notes:
- you're not running indom
- you're not running stun pressure
t1 - noise will get stun first
t2 - scarlet no max ammo OL, tested multiple time never stun by siren
t3 - vulnerable to siren stun since moran is my only burst 1. I am trying to make it 2RL but seems like impossible. The goal for this team is to tank cindy scarlet then my anis life steam and clean up
can help me put up a team with blanc and siren while keeping my team to 2 / 2.5 rl?
indom vesti has one of the highest threat in the game and it's expensive to deal with
you should add soda or siren to one of your other teams, with scarlet it can synergize well as it's again expensive to deal with
for your 2.5RL throw away, any stall option is fine, e.g like you're already running
although avoid SGs as they can help feeding a scarlet into 1.5RL
at that point your 2.5RL moran is bypassed
additionally as you said, single B1 in p1 non 2RL is siren weak, which trivializes it
i think this is a good exercise for you to think about on your own, as your teams are already pretty good 
so hard to fully utilize for 3 teams at once sigh
it's easier when you think about the amount of counters a team can get
if you're ideally only weak to specific nikke or very limited archetypes, that's a strong team
additionally, always assume your defense is as good as your 2 worse teams and your best team is skipped
the objective isn't to have an unbeatable defense (which is not possible in this game), but make it the hardest for opponent or run "traps"
i am at top 2 spot, but sometimes i like to force my top 1 opponent spent gem to reset
my top 1 opponent value prestige than anything else
both of us can neutralize each other defense
no matter how often i changed my team
thanks for the guide anyways, will change to indom vesti if i get defeated by other try hards
yes this is typical late game
pvp is really simple in this game
our sychro slot very near, i am at 387 while hes on 404
no problem 
in that situation, neither of you should be able to defend properly 
back then hes synchro level was behind me. After getting triggered from spending gem to reset and attack me he instant jump 10 lvl synchro next day 
i not like those try hards only focus pvp, i have to build units for solo raid and stuff
haha i understand
but the only one to blame here is SU, the dev never gave a damn about improving the PvP experience and it has been always just a kind of side thing
the gamemode lacks very simple QoLs and especially a rework of the actual system to demotivate sniping/ratting and hitting the same person essentially unpunished (via gems)
PVP is tough in this game bcuz cannot view replay
even viewing replay wouldn't help
experienced players already know what their teams are weak to
the current rock paper scissor style gives it away
a very simple QoL would be giving defenders access to defense perks or even just hiding 1 or 2 units in each team
at that point you add mechanics that can help making defense easier
actually my 3k gems are secure, i just want to use my ticket to force my top 1 spent gem to reset 
gotta need unpredictable team
rather than unpredictable, a team that foces opponent to actually think instead of running the common no brain counters 
Need help here
T1 skip
T2 scarlet trina rh centi jackal
T3 noah biscuit helmt laplaceT siren
Is it fine to not have Emilia in this team?
your concern in that team is that it's 3RL, siren weak and has cindy in p2 giving enemy extra 1.25x burst gen
just scrap it and make a better team 
Oh, but Cindy well built and bay is 10/10/10
doesn't change a thing

if you're denied, that team is just sitting ducks 
a same archetype but on 2RL and siren resistant, now that'd be gud
Most of my RL are built
we're looking at a rookie or SParena team?
if rookie:
Rookie
team above retains your purpose while:
-fixes siren weakness
-retains bay B2, in safe position to cast
-retains siren stun in p2 (anti noah)
-retains heavy DPS (emilia)
-is anti jackal link/attacker on 2RL
here you've to make a choice:
-have stun pressure
-have biscuit stalling
as siren and biscuit generally are hard to fit together
Would bay be enough to keep the team alive until full burst?
Not against Rosanna
you're kept alive to full burst via jackal
So this
running emi as main B3 without buffers is not recommended
you don't wanna run emi main B3 on defense, as echo mentioned earlier you only need a rosanna to deny her
So replace Helm with Cinderella and have Cinderella be the main burst
pick either of these imo
rookie is a loss cause so just run rotations of 2RL teams that have siren resistance and anti nuke with DPS 
Why did siren still skip target cindy even though her decoy is destroyed
@umbral belfry 

lock in
I'm p sure I can beat it now but I've been too busy with work to mald 
Yea itโs no fun malding after work 
Time to win the lottery so we can enjoy waifus in peace 
When are the pvp brackets going to change again?
Got a whale in here that is just to high for anybody to attack lol
After anni?
I have 2
~~unless Malogro invests PVP ~~
Wait, Check could 
when is Champions Arena gonna stop being BETA? it's like 13 Seasons right now?
The same amount of time it took them to put it in the game 
Yea hopefully they address this
cause Pve got Solo raid reward
n Champions u get reward alongside ur Union Member
can literally just afk to get it
It's fun tho I won't deny
making 5 teams and you see super rare teams that sometimes win champions arena
@hoary maple what's your CP with
Scarlet/Drake or Helm/Trina/Siren/Jackal
And what's the CP for Vesti/Blanc/RH/Centi/Jackal
-# Combat Power
Credits more important than arena vouchers tbf, so can't afk
Even less with people actively betting the loser to win the silver frame
Moran/Noah/Helm/RH/Noise was unbeatable for our current champion 
any suggestions for attacker/defending teams for arenas ? i dont really understand the full mechanic for the arena
i do have almost all units, but idk who do i need to build asap for arena
are Ada or Jill needed in PvP? otherwise i might not even pull for extra copies
๐ซ Sorry for spreading misinformation.
2.5rl that was made by 5th SG shoot like S.Anis, p1 could be stunned by Siren
Yea that weird frame about losing or winning bets I understand winning but losing frame XD
nOPE
Whats a good normal arena tram that has bay?

There is no way, just skip the whale
Is this what you are asking?
Do you have noah?
Still not enough power.... But you're getting the spike next level 
Oh, you used both Drake and Helm, needed power with Siren in team
But.... I think Scar may still do it on slight deficit
You may be able defeat Dirk with those teams
Hmm I guess I'll give it a try
With Siren
you need to stun his Noah

Wait, second team wasn't really a counter to another team, but rather a second counter to Noah team 
If he wins i hope dirk doesnt hit me for some reason
Both use jackal after all
Something like this
Scar against Noah and Helm against Blanc
Well, once I hit 521 anything is possible, right??? 
You've been opening every core dust case
don't you
-# Turns out Drake doesn't gets the team enough burst gen
Use Little Mermaid? Or Red Hood and move Trina as the second unit
Your Scarlet has 32 or less ammo right
Also I suggest changing that bay for something more fast
More ammoโฆ
Mermaid can win?
Bay ok
Then mermaid yes, need to use her in position 1 so Scarlet gets safe from enemy Mermaid
Yes
Since you have noah, theres not really a reason to use bay in rookie arena
For bay I only got anis, maiden?
Drake works
Ok
The reason is to not have a Noah team people from his SP bracket can practice
Seeing those unots without SR15 kinda hurts me 
I have indom scar on my rookie team and its been entirely undefeated so far
Happy for you 

There are 500 units bro
WWL
First win no stun
2nd win close call noise died
3rd lose blanc died no burst
You ain't using tempering on Blanc?
Used
But but the main ones

Will be missing 7 batteries to lv15, if lucky SR will give those
I have lvl 7 now, im gonna pump quantum up
Nope 

Tempura 11-13 at least?
11 

No whale 
Like the highest sync in your sp
Noโฆ still got some higher sync peeps
Oh
But I think im the only one wiping out. So Iโll surpass themโฆ eventually
No one has attacked me in weeks
I stayed at 3rd all the way, the rest fighting for 2nd. Whale at first
The other bois know you casual now
Now all of a sudden a random boo appeared, probably from diamond trying to take my spot in C2
But he failing 
as a day one player.
I'm a day one player too 
We are all number one 
gonna use my attempts 
This is my Vitamin C that has been expired for 1 year 3 months. Anyone dare to use it? 
Are they supposed to be black
looks oxidised 
I mean its still fine to take its just not going to be as effective
its just vitamin c
It turned from orange coating to this. 
i knew it 
that happens to avocadoes too, it just oxidized like Rheax said
Dont take it from me though google it
Maybe could pass it off as Chocolate candy and gave it to the kids you hate. 
lmao
they do look like m&m
Does Helm feed for them to get Noah proc invun off? I moved Helm to eat the stun, but Scarlet B3 got ate by the Noah. Not sure how they are matching speed.
Hmm...
Helm's ammo is impressive. Scarlet's one too.
Whatever, usually b2 cast faster than b3. So if burst gen is quite neaby, scarlet b3 is blocked by noah.
Kinda need the video. Since no Noah blocking in this pic
I think that's noah, RH burst went off basically immediately after.
Still trying to learn all the little mechanics of pvp
Yes it is noah. It showed immune.
Ofc
today is finally the day Dirk decides to attack C1
First of all, if scarlet's ammo is higher than certain value, you get stunned. If you want to use scarlet in arena, reduce ammo.
Team would be faster if you had jackal soaking the sanis bullets also, youโre only 1RL faster so it makes sense Noahโs burst would apply
Secondly, this is an advice not for arena. If you read HelmT's skill 2, she provides critical rate buff when she use up all bullet. Remove ammo option in OL.
This is SpA bug that Siren on 2nd-3rd match keep the bullet count from 1st+2nd match. They basically 2rl like you.














