pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

can you check the CP here please?

noise is doing nothing on t3 except getting you to 3RL btw but kind of out of other options 😄

vesti may die at p1 but RH backup b3

team 2 is SG death squad

if the opponent knows how to use biscuit you won't win with it, but we're banking on them not knowing that

team 1 is just cp pad and immune crown via biscuit

[bright talon]

sorry, give me a moment, I’m in the middle of a game

[shell hazel]

damn the spam was removed quick this time

[shell hazel]

yeah np
as for building units I've throw in stuff just to try to hit burst gen targets but I think your cp may suffer on t2/t3 some, we could re-adjust a bit

you will 100% want to build jackal some as she's meta and is always good to run

imo vesti also, gives you a good def and attack unit

vesti can also work in pve but not on bosses

vesti rapi is a really fun combo blows up everything on alternating bursts

[bright talon]

For these characters, to what level should I upgrade them to be optimal

[shell hazel]

don't waste materials necessarily. Can you put them in your attack teams and check cp?

[bright talon]

I’m still busy, but this is about 90% of the units I put into my old team, so I guess the CP is around 270k–280k

[shell hazel]

do check

[bright talon]

Total cp 265570

[shell hazel]

yeah so don't waste resources on anyone here except jackal and vesti, both will be safe to spend some on

jackal is OK with less
R-15 or SR-5 doll
4/4/4
basic OL when you can

vesti would want SR-15 and 4/10/10 skills in the end (or 7/10/10 if you feeling baller)

[bright talon]

Which Cube investment should I use for Vesti? I just rolled her so I haven’t read her skills carefully yet, I only know she’s strong.

[shell hazel]

bastion prob

or resi if your bastion is no good

[bright talon]

resi lv 3 and bastion lv 2

[shell hazel]

yeah either is fine then, bastion can be good as it reloads her ammo

your general main priority here is probably main campaign stuff anyway

[bright talon]

After adjusting the gear a bit, it seems more stable than before, but I don’t have materials to level up the skills yet, so I’ll leave it for tomorrow.

[shell hazel]

you could probably use the same 3 teams on attacks just have to adjust a bit which you use where

worth checking who jackal links with as well

[bright talon]

Okay, thank you for your help.I wanna learn more about team building, where should I check?

[shell hazel]

pins

some resources there prob

also you can play about with the deck builder https://nikke-deck.web.app/

burst order matters as it's auto burst and you don't want for example RH b2

nor like your only b1 at the frontlines to die

[verbal oasis]

Help me guys how to deal with this comp in Rookie

[rich ledge]

If u have Rosanna you can take the attackers out

[shell hazel]

helm can snipe attackers also

[verbal oasis]

I already had Rosanna can u give me an exactly team of 5 Nikkes in order thank

[shell hazel]

is this rookie?

ah yeah it is sorry saw you said

can try this for science, can you record?

[verbal oasis]

@shell hazel ty i will try now

[grand plaza]

Does SBS works against SBS nowadays or not?

[shell hazel]

nani

[grand plaza]

It was bugged for a while but idk if its fixed or not

[shell hazel]

holy mother of lag lmao

your ros did not kill vesti

what stats does your ros have?

[glad meteor]

There’s level diff and sr15 plus noise noah dr. Cant expect to kill vesti

[shell hazel]

wondering if we god comp it

[glad meteor]

Can you test

Moran noah biscuit helmt vesti

Use lifesteal to outrade vesti

[shell hazel]

and another alt option

we just out trade them afterwards

[glad meteor]

Vesti will need ammo

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

Also

[shell hazel]

will I make it to top 32 this time?

[glad meteor]

You better

[shell hazel]

jury is out - some rng in my next matches I think

I can't call it#pvp-arena message

take a look let me know what you think

[glad meteor]

Maybe bottom

nero moran can beat scar as long as no crit on rapu and not core diffed or weak doll

[shell hazel]

yeah it's very much of a maybe here haha

their scar doesn't look that threatening cp wise but could still have 4 x atk rolls and 4 x crit rolls

as it's top 64 can't see how lethal she was in previous matches

likewise my vesti is going up against helmT life steal so that may also depend

guess we'll just find out in a couple of hours 🙂

[glad meteor]

Was thinking vesti wins that

[shell hazel]

she should

mine lacks some atk rolls though

but may just overwhelm anyway

[verbal oasis]

@shell hazel @glad meteor still lost with these 2 comp but the Moran comp is a close one their Vesti died first but only Moran and my Vesti remained as the other 4 took us down

[shell hazel]

did you record em?

[glad meteor]

[verbal oasis]

Pardon my dead end Xiaomi 10 phone it became so laggy and lost maybe i will try again tmrw

[glad meteor]

Is it time for this?

[shell hazel]

it might be

[verbal oasis]

This time to ensure may i ask are the cubes have anything to do with it mine with all Quantum 15 equipped

[shell hazel]

quantum 15 😒

[glad meteor]

Can put quantum on jackal biscuit,

Vesti depends on ammo, helm can have quantum

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-staring-orange-cat-staring-cat-gif-10842861380128689842

quantum 15 is crazy work, tempura 15 I could understand

[verbal oasis]

Already bought 5 more attempts today i will come back tmrw

[shell hazel]

nah don't waste gems on rookie attempts lol

[glad meteor]

But that’s how to learn

[swift mango]

@covert lintel

[swift mango]

Could just shotgun their noise with Moran or biscuit to guard p1.

[swift mango]

What about Resilence 15?

[swift mango]

Rossanna is right approach, but rather than Scar+Trina you could go Vesti+Blanc(p4). And Emi instead of helmT. Since the goal is to kill Vesti we should lower her HP first.

If you have Soda invested, could use her p1-2 so scar can wipe.

[swift mango]

---

One more minute and people this place would be crowded.

[shell hazel]

I saw haha

if we both win then power of friendship showdown

there's a good chance one of us will counter booba guy considering we have similar teams in a diff order

[tardy anvil]

Will sp arena defense teams work in rookie arena as well?

[hollow lagoon]

I think my 4 and 5 wins, I prob lose 1 and 3 abd 2 is coin toss tier

[covert lintel]

I always get a match with strong ppl at top64

[swift mango]

Beat one former champs and had to face another in the next fight.

Then another if I beat this guy.

[umbral belfry]

you beat the pervymc

[shell hazel]

my opponent looks well built also so won't be 100% I make it 🙂

[swift mango]

Bro had 3 proper team and 2 already hard counter 2 of mines.

Too tanky higher research and max corr my focus shots can't even kill anyone.

[umbral belfry]

[covert lintel]

How to make MG survive in 2.5RL against scar in CA ? @swift mango

[swift mango]

Be the son of gods with blessed luck.

[covert lintel]

My sr15 and lv11 tempura still died

[swift mango]

And have your 2.5rl team with very high CS ofc.

[covert lintel]

My teams are composed of 20%cs now

[swift mango]

It's important the CS of the one shooting last in the team to 2.5rl

[quartz rover]

No emi no rei

[shell hazel]

I'm def/top.
t1 - should win unless vesti nukes my scarlet in the gap between immunity ending and b3, has happened before even with tempura cube.
t2 - slow cindy vs slow cindy except they've put mihara on the end for some reason. This one may be a coin toss but also curious to see as my mihara should die and theirs may not before b3.
t3 - this is a huge waste of a noah tbh but it could clutch it for them? curious one as well. Might lose if Noah makes them immune long enough.
t4 - double buff scar vs stall, this can also be a coin toss. My nero could wind up dead before I can b2.
t5 - I think I win this one.
W? | ? | L? | ? | W

[covert lintel]

This is mine
Soda died before burst

[swift mango]

All of them 21%?

[covert lintel]

No, 19-20

[swift mango]

So 18

[covert lintel]

Should i just use cs cube instead for next ca?

[glad meteor]

sus team

[swift mango]

Idk. Math it yourself.

[glad meteor]

What’s the win rate like

[covert lintel]

I have zero point in math

[swift mango]

You could switch cubes in rookie and count Soda ammo to see if it burst faster.

Record the fight and play at 0.5 speed to see.

[swift mango]

⏫

Check what I said above

[covert lintel]

1win 3 loses so far

[glad meteor]

Just use nikke work

[swift mango]

Nikke work not 100% accurate

[umbral belfry]

@dense kindle

[covert lintel]

But no one uses scarlet in def

[swift mango]

But yeah could check it first as reference. It probably right most cases.

[swift mango]

You don't use it against scarlet, just use any dummy team to check when Soda burst.

Use against scar then got countered and died before burst isn't accurate.

Could just use Nikke works to check if you lazy.

Use same team on attack and defense. But different cubes. Check their burst timing.

[hollow lagoon]

[covert lintel]

I'll do it later

[swift mango]

4/4 wins now.

[shell hazel]

yeah you def don't win 3. your sg getting stuck on cindy then dead

[glad meteor]

Slow cindy vs slow cindy

[shell hazel]

2 their soda may commit sudoku on your scar?

[hollow lagoon]

unless bay ate cinder burst again it might be funny lel

[shell hazel]

their soda not well built and it's p2. which means she will die from splash + scar counters potentially

[hollow lagoon]

that's why it coin toss tier lel

[glad meteor]

What is enemy cooking

[shell hazel]

yeah that will be interesting to see... :0

my mihara will die earlier for sure, theirs likely only after my cindy b3

[dense kindle]

Let's keep winning

[glad meteor]

I dont think your mihara dies

[shell hazel]

ah yeah she may not haha

[umbral belfry]

the only way i beat kz is if my t4 wins

[shell hazel]

nah not with that setup she won't

[covert lintel]

Finally win

[umbral belfry]

if I lose, go on without me

[shell hazel]

my mihara is going to b3 then 😛

[umbral belfry]

raven

[swift mango]

Rapu p3 basically asking to lose.

[covert lintel]

Nero gets stunned then gets bombarded by trio

[covert lintel]

max core raven

[swift mango]

Whale max core everyone

[covert lintel]

Yeah, the next opponent is a whale too
So many max core

[swift mango]

Bro max core and higher research. So doesn't need to think.

[shell hazel]

what do you think of the other matches K?

[covert lintel]

They just need to copy whoever champion

2 ppl in my bracket never attacked me again
Are they tired of failing to breach my def?

[swift mango]

I mean, this is his another team

Last season I lost against a guy with 2 trash teams too. Basically just got normal attacked and died 2 teams. Then biscuit walled SG

[dense kindle]

Hmm I haven't run into that Cindy team yet, surprised that's still only 3rl
You got this

[umbral belfry]

it's 2rl. keripo used it

[dense kindle]

My nikkedeck not accurate

[glad meteor]

Siren bay, sanis noir

[shell hazel]

my 64 matches, I don't know how my t1 won would have assumed they'd noah in time, but nevermind lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld3-YG2DPdc

[glad meteor]

What team is it?

[umbral belfry]

this is how it went for me last time v Phoenix

[glad meteor]

Keripo has 25cs emi for 2rl in one of his comps

[umbral belfry]

check vid

[glad meteor]

Ah

Keripo team is pretty fast cs wise. Forgot how fast

:oldge:

That noise just didn’t want to die lol

[umbral belfry]

this guy has all max cores and likely high cs tho. i fear this is the end for me

[glad meteor]

If they didn’t have ammo on noise. They would have more heals

Bro bricked on ols lol

[umbral belfry]

noise not wanting to die vs nero not wanting to die

[shell hazel]

I'd never have ammo on noise no sireee

[dense kindle]

@umbral belfry whats your blablalink so i can steal see your ols

[umbral belfry]

hidden

[covert lintel]

How can you get a comeback like that

[umbral belfry]

[rich ledge]

Yay altho I voted against myself

[swift mango]

Kinda hate how I had good chance to lose against these kinds of teams. Bad match up and research gap got me good.

[umbral belfry]

bisc p1

[swift mango]

Yeah, former champs in high research gap bracket be like: Nah I just luck.

[umbral belfry]

wait

[umbral belfry]

this is a champ team?

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

LMAOOOO

[rich ledge]

Actual results

[swift mango]

Former champs to be exacted.

Luck got them there.

And research gap

[covert lintel]

Cheer ppl still confused cause i use priv

[rich ledge]

Vesti indomed so scarlet couldn't win

[keen vapor]

Damn, only got first wrong

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

Oh you're right

[keen vapor]

Vesti too powerful

[swift mango]

#pvp-arena message

There is no confusion. They just hate you.

[rich ledge]

Blanc indom is too fast

[covert lintel]

Maybe your group cheer need lose frame

[swift mango]

Watch how I lose against those teams.

[keen vapor]

If you actually had 33 ammo on Scarlet then could have got perfect prediction

[rich ledge]

33 ammo would brick my scarlet lol

[covert lintel]

No, you'll win
I need an arena exchange voucher from you

Oh f
My rosanna met rosanna again

[keen vapor]

Right

[swift mango]

@mystic rain

Looks like Aha couldn't even pass the league this time.

Right now, Coldstar, @worldly osprey, Star, Chris and me are what are left standing from our old bracket.

Coldstar also synched his Vesti + Emi shot here. So not only me using this trick.

[glad meteor]

Coldstar

[umbral crown]

You know

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

Top 16 vs asia

Th helm profile is 562

Cindy 556

The gap in levels facin any of them will be real

[glad meteor]

But rosy is whale with high lb and cores so its fine

If someone has sim room oc title, you have to beat them

[umbral crown]

Its the rule now?

[glad meteor]

Yes

[umbral crown]

Then lets trust i get to fight cindy and not helm

This time most people using SGs rosanna team 5

[covert lintel]

Your group only
I got a mirror rosanna in team 4

[swift mango]

Replace 500 with 6.
But lots of level 700+ in my bracket though. Should be fine.

[swift mango]

Ah you mean synch level. Not account.

[umbral crown]

If i sg mirror a sg then its fine, i use poli P4

[umbral crown]

Yeah

Aacounts they are 662 and 654 or so

If level account im 561

[swift mango]

You could be near synch 501 if you be a campaign grinder like penguin.

[umbral crown]

If i was good at pve

[swift mango]

Look at their Research level and core to see the real gap.

[umbral crown]

Cores they have way more C7 than me, i just have like 2-3

Need to fix rumani cs

[swift mango]

@mystic rain

[glad meteor]

Makima

Seacount that small huh

[swift mango]

[covert lintel]

Everyone says i'm about to lose, so you better win

[umbral crown]

<@&946725432554836008>

[umbral crown]

We trust the process

[covert lintel]

I got 2 mirrors and he got an advantage of being a defender so most likely i'll lose

[tropic summit]

@umbral crown my cindy had its first lost against single buff scarlet, got critted and bad s2 RNG rumani got 1hitko and didn't get biscuit s2

the luck from qualifiers balanced out

[umbral crown]

Rail kind enough to give that boi a chance

[umbral crown]

Looks like owo

[umbral crown]

Lets trust

I just think top 16 will be hard

[tropic summit]

there's noone from my bracket

and i see several names from previous champs

oh what is this

[swift mango]

Same

[gritty ridge]

Rail I lost cuz cindy ate scar counters

And also cuz my vesti uninvested

[umbral crown]

User9875366355

[tropic summit]

welcome to RNG

even rosy running stronk af teams got stopped before at qualifiers while other times he got to finals

lock in the teams then pray for the best

[gritty ridge]

Im building vesti right now so I should be good soon

Vesti and then rumani

Chat who loses

Btw i wouldve beat both of these people

But noo, match with top 8

[vestal dagger]

I have a question, is there a time when they make a new pvp brackets? Or as a new player you can make new account whatever time and it doesn't matter?

[unique mountain]

@kind palm gimme my 6 cred boxes back

[mystic rain]

rigged matchmaker wth 😭

sucks for aha to win champs last season then not even make it past league this time

[unique mountain]

When is spa shuffle btw

[umbral crown]

Happened to me in S10, won S9 but lost S10 in league

[umbral crown]

Dec

[unique mountain]

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

I mean it was for this bracket for 3 seasons in a round now.

The guy before Aha and the guy before him both did not pass League right after they won.

[spiral onyx]

RIP, I got beat by my own teams from 2 CAs ago

This is the downside of sharing my teams and investment details

[swift mango]

So you lost the league once. I haven't.

[umbral crown]

yep

when i burnt the kitchen

[swift mango]

It's the good side I think. Getting beat by your old team is unique experience.

[umbral crown]

waos, but you shared with your alliance or the type you show in your YT videos

[spiral onyx]

It's literally the exact same setup and similar investments as the team's I used in my Season 11 winning team lol
https://youtu.be/04YQQWbkdMA?si=o2Vg0GzXT4WEpEQT

The investment details are public
https://youtu.be/gaBs-iSsqYg?si=lVt99-pvbRj5uUkL

[swift mango]

NA copied Keripo teams while SEA guys mainly copied the Neko 10 times champ team or our Own whales' teams or make their own...

The only time I saw someone team similar to Keripo they didn't pass top 64.

[spiral onyx]

Yeah most people don't get far with my comps cause they are investment intensive

This guy actually was able to copy most of the investments it looks like

[umbral crown]

waos

in global they copy cn cooks

[spiral onyx]

I have guildies who copy and win finals, and I have guildies who copy and fail in Leagues. It's very dependent on your investment

[coarse lake]

my server doesn't really copy from others

[swift mango]

You sure it's CN cooks of the 10 times champs guys?

[umbral crown]

cn cooks

[coarse lake]

mana nero moran unseen, I think I saw keripo copies early on, but they basically dropped those already

[swift mango]

but they copied keripo

[coarse lake]

they don't really anymore

[umbral crown]

global is mostly with cn people

you just see my bracket in CA is mostly from asia

[swift mango]

What's CN cook looks like?

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal oof

[coarse lake]

keripo cooks are hard to copy anyway, since it just falls apart without proper invest

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

other cooks are better at min invest, so easier to copy

[wet crystal]

[umbral belfry]

your next matchup

are you still playing wuwa?

[swift mango]

Show me one so I could know.

[wet crystal]

S6 phro and saving enough for s6 galbrena

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

the "cn" cook I know pre-vesti is blanc emi rh bisc, noise jackal noah cindy, sg, scar soda/siren, nero moran

[umbral belfry]

what happened to the f2p phase!!

[wet crystal]

Funds reallocation

[umbral belfry]

lmk when geshu lin is playable (if ever )

[swift mango]

You mean

Blanc+Vesti+Emi+Biscuit+Rumani

Noise+Jackal+Cindy+Noah+LapT

?

[coarse lake]

is that the post-vesti cn cook

[umbral crown]

you have fought them already, eon mentioned it

[swift mango]

Idk, I only know it's the 2 most used teams rn.

[swift mango]

I don't know no Eon post.

[coarse lake]

[umbral crown]

@swift mango

[swift mango]

Then it's not.

The most used in SEA was

Blanc+Emi+Midhara+Biscuit+Rumani

Midhara is either Ada or Vesti now.

Noise+Jackal+Cindy+Noah+LapT

Vesti could be here instead of Cindy. Jackal doesn't need if Vesti

---

On top of

Scar+Trin

Rosa

Nero

[spiral onyx]

Those are all variants of what we've ran before as well. I used to run Noah Cindy early on but I decided to split them cause I feel like Noah was better used with Emilia (who is a delayed 1 shot done) and Blanc was better used with Scarlet (longer sustain) while Cindy doesn't need Noah at all. Only new thing to me was Nero Moran cause I was a believer of Moran Biscuit SAnis for the longest time

[coarse lake]

then it's basically the same thing still

just the blanc emi team is slightly diff

emi siren, emi rh, vesti emi, emi vesti, emi mihara, fundamentally same thing, just slight diff

[swift mango]

I mean, the 10 times champ guy in JP used that one exacted comp

[umbral crown]

same structure

[swift mango]

[umbral crown]

but does not matter if he uses or not

[spiral onyx]

Fundamentally though CA teams are more or less solved, just an investment diff and rock paper scissors luck

[swift mango]

His Emi maxed core and black/Blue all lines. So he needs no RH. Midhara is more threatening and the only way to win against 2rl scar

[umbral crown]

he same he uses the same structure, just a bit different ajusting to his investment

[umbral crown]

many people have emi max core and blue lines, not the point really

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/JntFgetgD3s?si=j5_mWUzsnIdelT5w

[coarse lake]

I never liked the cn structure tbh, you can pry jackal from scar from my cold dead hands

[swift mango]

RH is objectively worse than Midhara in Emi teams 99% the cases.

[coarse lake]

I like the new 2rl noah vesti + slow cindy ver much better

[umbral crown]

RH is mostly used to buff B1, thats all that matters

also you do not count his vesti 58 atk crit rate and damage

[swift mango]

Merry and I used slow Cindy before it was popular.

It's CN copied us.

[glad meteor]

Noah biscuit sanis/vesti rh helmt

[coarse lake]

the good ver only really got popular around vesti, the p2 mihara ver

[glad meteor]

[spiral onyx]

I don't like P2 Mihara

Not dependable at all

Many fights my Mihara doesn't even die lol

[swift mango]

Or p3 Midhara and put Cindy p1-2.

[coarse lake]

it won't lose vs attacking sniper + lapt, that's good enough for me

[umbral crown]

happened to me

[shell hazel]

I'm facing this issue in the next matches

[coarse lake]

most of the rng is still on mihara dots not missing, but I'll take it tbh

[spiral onyx]

Probably gonna just slap her in P1 to force her to die

[glad meteor]

But you facing mirror so its different

[coarse lake]

most ca teams are so aggressive that mihara should be dying almost every time tho

[shell hazel]

nah she failed to die sometimes in last set as well

[swift mango]

You don't need her to die if Cindy p1-2 and burst instead of her.

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

cindy p1 I think is an interesting variant as it forces her to burst

and mihara p2 means she also becomes the main target

[coarse lake]

it has attacking helmt lapt issues

well in that case p3 blanc might not invuln

[shell hazel]

but at least cindy will def b3

[coarse lake]

biggest issue isn't really that mihara bursts instead of cindy imo, it's that mihara dot even lands on everyone + rumani survives nukes

[spiral onyx]

What's the disadvantage of Mihara P1 Cindy P2 vs Cindy P1 Mihara P2

[shell hazel]

cindy p1 presumably speeds up opponent even more

[coarse lake]

if mihara dies too fast she has lower odds of hitting everyone

p2 mihara already dies to scar around the same time she dots 10 times

if she dies even faster, just drop mihara at that point odds of all 5 dot much lower

[glad meteor]

Just put resilience on sanis

[spiral onyx]

Aren't the target's already picked at the start

[coarse lake]

but if mihara dies I think it interrupts it, at least from what I've heard

[spiral onyx]

Like I thought the initial 10 gets set at battle start

[swift mango]

You want a defender, next to Cindy so the shot don't just passing her position.

Cindy 1+ Midhara 2, or Midhara 1 + Cindy 2 means , midhara ded and p3 got it.

[coarse lake]

ig you gotta test it with p1 mihara against attacking sgs or scar

[coarse lake]

but she takes a good bit of time to slowly land those

[shell hazel]

I heard that her dying speed shouldn't matter but it's all just hear say for me

[umbral crown]

like 1.5 RL time ti build the dot?

[coarse lake]

and you still want p1 or p2 blanc so that she gets indom for sure

[spiral onyx]

I thought target skipping was fixed

[glad meteor]

, should be good to run

[coarse lake]

decoy skip was never fixed

[swift mango]

It doesn't matter where Midhara is if you biscuit wall SG. Scar wipe so it also doesn't matter

[spiral onyx]

Oh what, so P1 Cindy will result in P2 getting targeted? Then P3 getting hit?

[coarse lake]

yes but if mihara dying stops her dot procs, then it lowers your odds vs scar a lot

[coarse lake]

yeah p2 main target

[shell hazel]

it's normal p1 cindy things

[swift mango]

What are you talking about?

[coarse lake]

I did lose vs scar blanc rh bc mihara just didn't dot blanc

[spiral onyx]

Ive not tried P1 Cindy for a long time lol

[shell hazel]

p2 main target for RL's = 4 targets getting hit
cindy
cindy decoy
p2
p3

[swift mango]

Yeah, that's a lose regardless

Of position

[coarse lake]

no I win if she dotted blanc

[spiral onyx]

At that point I might as well put Mihara in P5

[coarse lake]

just mihara bad luck

[swift mango]

The dot is at the start of the game

[coarse lake]

it's not instant

[swift mango]

[spiral onyx]

Cause at P2 she just ain't dying reliably

[shell hazel]

that is what my opponent has done

[coarse lake]

unless it keeps going even if she dies

[umbral crown]

in my leau someone is running mihara P5

[glad meteor]

For sp arena?

[umbral crown]

have to check that fight

[spiral onyx]

C7 full OL SR15 doll Mihara

[swift mango]

You have Cindy nuke. If Midhara aren't dying, it means you team is good and would wipe with Cindy anyway

[shell hazel]

my next match my opponent has this comp

[spiral onyx]

Or I put Cindy in P3

[shell hazel]

mine is this

[swift mango]

Or do you means, scarlet can't wipe your Midhara if she isn't p1?

[spiral onyx]

Scarlet can, it's more random teams that are 3RL nuke

[shell hazel]

my mihara likely not dying either go she'll be b3 :9

[coarse lake]

3rl nukes not killing p2 mihara would be crazy tho

[swift mango]

Against random team, put Cindy p1 would force them into 2rl

[swift mango]

HelmT would target Midhara even.

[coarse lake]

I did see someone run slow mihara where their unbursting cindy was higher atk than mihara that's some crazy brick

[spiral onyx]

I'm thinking either
Cindy Mihara Blanc or
Mihara Blanc Cindy

[glad meteor]

Defence I assume? That noah bisc sanis rh helmt should win on offence.

But on defence, maybe a good comp you can do is prob create a cindy team

noah noise bisc jackal cindy
or
Noise noah bisc sanis jackal

Can maybe bait a scar jack that gets blocked by noah

[swift mango]

My Biscuit was 40%+ AtK.

[coarse lake]

it losing to attacking sr + splash is why I don't like the p5 rumani versions

esp now with vesti being a thing too

[shell hazel]

but now she's weak and she'd lose to my 20% atk Bicuit

[coarse lake]

and there are also freak cases where it could lose to sg rosa from rosa-sniped decoy taking a draket snipe, which then 1 shots cindy

happened to me once

although every slow cindy can have freak cases from draket snipe, but that p1 cindy case was the only time I lost due to it

[swift mango]

Glad Rosa snipe my Midhara. Then drake hit biscuit then

[coarse lake]

draket target is lowest hp, so p1 cindy means decoy takes the hit (if defending sg), decoy taking hit means cindy and adj takes it too

[glad meteor]

[spiral onyx]

I feel like Mihara Blanc Cindy might be the safer option?

[swift mango]

Ohhh

[glad meteor]

Yeah, it look slow and vulnerable

[coarse lake]

can you test first if mihara dying instantly stops her dots from landing

just testing it against attacking sgs for super clear test

bc sgs will definitely kill mihara well before her dot proc animations ends

[swift mango]

Just don't put Cindy P5 I guess

[shell hazel]

[coarse lake]

I had cindy p5 freak case where sgs destroyed decoy and got cindy to invuln, but then rosa removed that, so cindy ate both invulns, blanc and mihara died to rosa, and I barely rumani bursted before they killed rumani too

nearly lost bc of it

if they also had draket burst, rumani would have gotten sniped, losing me it

[desert sphinx]

@shell hazel you got zant in your group, gonna be ok ?

[swift mango]

Your Cindy so weak she got SG killing her before rose s1, but her attack high enough so Rosa s1 target her. A different kind of I guess.

[shell hazel]

me and @hollow lagoon are friends - if one of us dies we do power of friendship support

[spiral onyx]

Best ask someone else, I'm out of date for SP Arena teams

[shell hazel]

saying that I don't love my next matches

so not sure I survive to fight zant (or booba guy who is the whale in my SPA)

[coarse lake]

idk how that was even possible, although if they had high ele iron ig it's possible

[desert sphinx]

he destroyed his opponent, 5-0

[coarse lake]

but either way, it's actually crazy how much draket burst can help sg find freak cases where they win against defender biscuit

[worldly osprey]

time to reclaim the throne. let’s go boys

[coarse lake]

I had this happen today too

[glad meteor]

Yeah, need to learn

Burst gen timing
Postioning
Skills/burst mechanics

[shell hazel]

yeah though I think all of us destroyed our opponents in that group, all were 4-1 or 5-0, can't carry on with the next set however

[coarse lake]

rosa sniped noise and noah, my draket 1 shot their cindy before she could burst

[swift mango]

I'm rooting for you.

[coarse lake]

mihara died a bit too slow, but I think it did interrupt?

[spiral onyx]

The damage numbers show she did her damage though?

[shell hazel]

doesn't noeita have a sg team you can it into?

or I suppose would need other way around

you at 1 and them at 2

[coarse lake]

in one of my vids, it took 35 blanc shots before all animations of mihara initial dot went away

[shell hazel]

or update to rookie team

[coarse lake]

it went away after 25 blanc shots in your vid (when mihara died)

[coarse lake]

yeah but the initial 10 hit random proc

it takes time to do those

I think sg is easier test, p5 mihara vs defending sg works too ig

2 shot her, very easy to see

[glad meteor]

Oh

[coarse lake]

yeah I think it got interrupted

[glad meteor]

Oh Can just look at prydwen or ask somebody here

Keripo also has sheet

I think

[spiral onyx]

Doesn't getting interrupted not matter? Since the new 20 stacks from her death are bigger

[coarse lake]

she needs to land a dot on every enemy first

if she dies after like 5 initial dots land, your chances of dotting all 5 are a lot lower

it's not sequential but full random

[spiral onyx]

Ok this is the part where I'm confused how she works. I thought 10 dots land right away

[coarse lake]

they don't

[spiral onyx]

So it take s time for the first 10 to land

And so she only adds value if she dies after the first 5 land

Yeah my spreadsheets are very out of date right now

[coarse lake]

she can just be unlucky and never hit someone even with all 10

that's the problem with mihara in general

and there's a decently signficant chance she misses 1 unit even with all 10 landing

[glad meteor]

Just look at prydwen I guess. @gritty ridge Are you making sheet to build nikkes for pvp

[coarse lake]

missing on blanc cost me this one

if only she was sequential

I think with this patch they may have fixed mihara bug too, but they weren't very clear

[spiral onyx]

I think I should just think about this in a rock paper scissors manner.
5 general team comps:

1. SG

2. Scarlet

3. Cindy

4. VestiT/Emilia

5. Moran/Nero/Helm

6. SGs are hard countered by Biscuit so not an issue

7. Mihara will suicide against Scarlet no matter where she is so no issue

8. Cindy nuke will kill her but also proc Biscuit invulns so should be ok?

9. VestiT could blanket kill so is an issue in general

10. Helm nukes Mihara no matter where she is so no issue

[glad meteor]

The team is slow though, you need 3rl at least, can build nikkes good, but if not at correct burst speed, not going to be effective

Even 3rl is slow now. Too many burst gen units

[spiral onyx]

So the team that is a concern is pretty much some Emilia or Vesti team

[coarse lake]

the p2 mihara variant wins agains cindy as long as rumani doesn't get 1 tapped, or biscuit getting 1 tapped before rumani

[shell hazel]

my mihara comp loses to double buffed scar as well

[coarse lake]

blanc, rumani, cindy (with decoy) will win against any other cindy comp

against vesti, a fast 2rl vesti that can kill p5 cindy with burst + second volley could win if mihara misses

since slow cindy has until indom runs out on rumani to dot kill the vesti team

[spiral onyx]

Yeah so the comps that lose all involve AoE nuke, which you don't want speeding up.

[glad meteor]

Mine won against scar trina ros, because rosa proc’d biscuit invul on rumani and mihara hit all 5

[spiral onyx]

So you don't want Cindy P1

[coarse lake]

should win vs emi rh, at least slower versions

[shell hazel]

scar trina ros isn't as big of a concern I think

[coarse lake]

yeah cindy speeding up emi too fast is an issue of that

[shell hazel]

scar trina rh beats mine though if it appears

can one tap through biscuit invuln

[spiral onyx]

So no matter what, Cindy P1 is no good, but somehow you want Cindy to get Blanc indom and burst

[coarse lake]

scar trina rh wins unless mihara bug happens yes

rumani won't be living it

[shell hazel]

who gets the indom isn't I think a huge deal necessarily

[coarse lake]

p1 rumani prob works best vs scar trina rh tbh

[shell hazel]

so long as mihara dot applies to lll

[swift mango]

My whale woke up today. Got his synch to 541 so 70 level and 4 tier gap me. Then he decided to beat my ass.

[coarse lake]

ig you could do rumani/mihara/blanc/biscuit/cindy? still need blanc to live tho, but it should be possible assuming she self invulns from counters

[shell hazel]

how far apart are these images in time?

[glad meteor]

#pvp-arena message

can scroll through these teams I guess. sure it says sp. But can be used on rookie. Could make minor edits to make them stronger.

[spiral onyx]

What about Tempering on Mihara P1

Ain't no way she doesn't die, but she also shouldn't die fast

[swift mango]

Just 1-2 minutes

Glad I still got it.

[hollow lagoon]

we run same teams in different order

[coarse lake]

I think there are still niche cases where it could be bad, scar killing mihara fast, rl splash onto rumani, softening up her enough to die reliably even to just trina scar

sg killing mihara, then rosa critting on rumani, killing her

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-awesome-lets-goo-gif-25735485

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-huh-emote-twitch-emote-7tv-twitch-7tv-gif-18228911432715801849

[coarse lake]

I think swapping rumani and bisc could be a bit better to remove some niche cases

there's still niche case of vesti killing p3 biscuit, then burst + second volley killing rumani and cindy tho

[shell hazel]

you prob lose to vesti anyway

[umbral crown]

as any people would do, beat you

[shell hazel]

so I guess you'd just engineer to beat most and ignore potential vesti

[spiral onyx]

I think Vesti comp is the killer for this team

[coarse lake]

there really isn't a slow cindy ver that's perfect, all about what you're ok with giving up on

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/workaholics-friends-friendship-power-perseverance-gif-12300873

[swift mango]

He could beat C1 but he didn't bother

[shell hazel]

but good vesti beats most teams anyway

[glad meteor]

Sync 500 without jackal

[coarse lake]

the best odds that cindy has vs fast vesti is mihara landing all dots

[umbral crown]

whats your sync again

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/vince-carter-its-over-done-finished-its-finish-gif-17214651

[coarse lake]

then the p3 rumani p5 cindy ver can win

[swift mango]

471 , he 541

[coarse lake]

but noise noah vesti is also fairly popular, and that with good enough invest I think can outheal the dot long enough for indom to end

[shell hazel]

man that is quite a big cp gap :9

[coarse lake]

at least I was able to outheal it from one of my tests

[umbral belfry]

@hollow lagoon it's a sign

[umbral crown]

waos, 541 losing that bad.

[shell hazel]

guess it scales 3.7M * 0.846 = 3.13M cp

[swift mango]

Not enough to get me into deficit like he used to. Since I SR15 my units now and he didn't invest any further than OL and SR0-5. Plus SR15 some units he like.

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

let me guess they lack dolls/proper invest and just hope to sync gap you?

[umbral crown]

even blood has more cp than echo

[shell hazel]

echo is 🧱 though

[swift mango]

His units has kinda proper investment just minimum investment. Like Moran SR15 but Nero sr5.

[shell hazel]

they could actually deficit gap you if they also invested

[hollow lagoon]

return to blue hime?

[swift mango]

They OL their units alright but only that.

[shell hazel]

see cindy p1 version op

[swift mango]

They don't CP pad OL line, they don't SR15, they don't CP pad Gear upgrade. They don't CP pad Skill level.

[gritty ridge]

I am, ive just been really busy

[shell hazel]

but you got lucky to b1 rumani before she died 😄

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

personal finance life do be like that

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

✂️

[swift mango]

All my units are CP pad OL line, upgraded gear, SR15 and skill level 7 at least.

Almost Rosy level.

[coarse lake]

narrowly

[spiral onyx]

Cindy P1 accelerates them though it seems like

[lusty gull]

she's stronger now so it's should be ok most of the time

[spiral onyx]

And I guess we mainly just need Rumani to survive

[shell hazel]

yes as mentioned earlier cindy p1 speeds them up

[spiral onyx]

Which makes me think... What about P1 Rumani

[coarse lake]

I don't like that ver bc attacking sniper + splash kills cindy and mihara

[shell hazel]

I can see the benefit of cindy p1 you enforce cindy is main b3

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/scissoring-scissor-fight-scissors-gif-3378634157756152151

[coarse lake]

like nero moran lapt

[spiral onyx]

Something crazy like this

[coarse lake]

then mihara might actually not die vs some teams

[shell hazel]

only problem is your mihara could never die

[spiral onyx]

That's ok right?

[coarse lake]

well ig she won't be bursting anyway

[spiral onyx]

If she doesn't die to the enemy team's burst, the rest of your team probably won't either

And so you're just gonna regular Cindy kill

[shell hazel]

that is exactly what my opponent is running here in my next CA set#pvp-arena message

[spiral onyx]

Check out the Prydwen PvP guide in the pins. It's not easy to explain (and it's very arbitrary too)

[swift mango]

I would screenshot their teams when they attack against. Their scarlet is max core and doll. So does their XMaiden.

They do have max dolls units. Just not all.

[shell hazel]

yeah just think it's low for the sync gap, if you had same sync easy 4M+ cp I reckon

[swift mango]

Doubt. 3.7m maybe, 4m nope.

[shell hazel]

they have 3.7M now, I reckon you'd be higher

cores only do so much for cp

[swift mango]

Oh, NVM I should have 4m+. I though he had 3.2m. brain fagm

[shell hazel]

yeah

whale who max cores and sr-15 + full invest is a truly scary thing 😄

[spiral onyx]

Lmao

[coarse lake]

oh yeah that is a clear advantage

p2 mihara mirrors are very funny kek, cindy as first b3 wins that automatically

[shell hazel]

yeah so that's my match tomorrow already decided thanks Keripo 😄

[swift mango]

Here is synch 531 with min investment.

[shell hazel]

my only hope is they manage to kill my mihara at p2 before I b3

[glad meteor]

What hime doing in sea

[shell hazel]

with her being SR-5 and 0LB not impossible

[spiral onyx]

@coarse lake ok yeah I see an example here of Mihara not landing any hits

[glad meteor]

Xanne in a team without attacker.

[glad meteor]

She needs to survive till 1.5rl

[swift mango]

That Hime has gone a long way from their noob times.

[umbral belfry]

my alt

[spiral onyx]

That's it?

[glad meteor]

That’s what I last heard

[swift mango]

Last I saw him

[coarse lake]

also this does also run into risk of rosa crit

[lone sequoia]

mihara marks need 1.5~2RL for cast, taunt unit can get like 3 marks of her and she also target decoy

[coarse lake]

if rosa crits rumani, it's kinda gg

[swift mango]

Maybe you are the Alt.

[coarse lake]

but if it wins vs scar trina rh jack, it could be worth it anyway

since versions that rely on rumani living through nuke auto lose

[glad meteor]

Biscuit will block the second hit of rosa burst, it’ll hit as if it’s unconcealed

[coarse lake]

oh?

then it wouldn't be a big issue, mihara also helps prevents cindy from eating both invulns from a strong sg team too, so my freak loss shouldn't happen

[shell hazel]

but then how did this team lose? you'd think that with biscuit locked outside of mihara it should be safe?

[gritty ridge]

Hey could I run a faster version of slow cindy if I put cindy in p1?

[coarse lake]

huh?

[shell hazel]

the one keripo sent lost to the sg's

usually slow cindy beats sg comp

[coarse lake]

oh....

[umbral belfry]

[coarse lake]

mihara died too slow, both rumani and blanc ate invulns

[shell hazel]

run slow fast cindy fast but yet slow

[coarse lake]

cindy died to raw sg

[gritty ridge]

Basically promote enemy team to 1.5 or faster and run 3rl or something

[shell hazel]

feels like this mihara p5 version was compromised

[coarse lake]

well it was also a strong bsoda nuke

[spiral onyx]

Yeah Rumani is getting hit but she's definitely not dying

So the auto attack damage from Rosa plus the first hit from Rosa's nuke triggered Biscuit's invuln

Making her safe

[shell hazel]

did you try a p1 cindy version yet Keripo?

[spiral onyx]

No cause I'm 90% sure it will make the team lose even faster to Vesti comps lol

[shut slate]

About Vesti comps, I need help.

How do you counter Noise, Noah, Vesti Tactical Upgrade, Helm T, and Jackal?

It's incredibly oppressive. Someone uses it as a defense comp in rookie arena. It's hard to get through with that kind of firepower Vesti Tactical Upgrade has along with that irontight defense. Plus I can't do mirror because I know I'll be the losing. Don't have mine built as well. Not to mention how fast the speed of burst generation allows for complete wipe from his Vesti Tactical Upgrade

[shell hazel]

though this mihara p5 one horribly lost to the same team so I don't rate it that high#pvp-arena message

I think essentially we don't want mihara on p1 or p5 right? whatever version we run?

[coarse lake]

that one does rely on high sg invest, bsoda living to burst + strong enough nuke

but I think even if nuke was weaker it would have lost anyway, had plenty of time to kill cindy

[shell hazel]

but also because they had killed mihara with normal shots there was no lightning rod to attract rosa burst

[coarse lake]

even if draket burst on rumani, cindy could have lost to autos

[shell hazel]

if mihara is p2/p4 against such a team then she usually just taunts the rosa or helmt nuke in effect

[coarse lake]

just depends on your situation really, every ver has downsides, but not all lose cases are equally common

[spiral onyx]

Lmao

The more I play with these Mihara comps the more I dislike the team in general

[coarse lake]

darn blanc invulned too late

[spiral onyx]

Maybe I just say screw it and go back to tried and true

[coarse lake]

yeah it's quite finicky

[spiral onyx]

Tried and true just beat me this morning after all lol

Keep in mind here I've not even tested against Vesti comps which I'm pretty sure will win

So if it's already losing to non Vesti comps, that's a problem

[glacial hound]

It's high ceiling low floor but can be rng, I personally quite like it since my investment is generally lower and it got me a lot of wins against max core teams

But yea if ur investments are all very high there's maybe more consistent options

[shell hazel]

yeah my matches with it a bit rng haha

but it does have low barrier to entry to build

you actually don't really want CS with it either

[spare nimbus]

Would this win?

[glacial hound]

Yea

[coarse lake]

I trust in my rumani bulk for my ver, that's the only thing, mihara never fails to die

I just don't like mihara dot rng, but it hasn't been match deciding yet

some losses when it doesn't matter

I prob will stick with what I got for now until I see some other massive issue, I don't trust in opponent scar being strong enough to invuln p3 blanc

I just like it better than the blanc emi flex bisc version

doesn't care about siren, no rng against nero moran, higher odds vs scar nuke

[spare nimbus]

Nvm it lost

[gritty ridge]

Rip

[coarse lake]

linked trina?

oh wait no they got blanc anyway

[gritty ridge]

You can use rosa tho

[swift mango]

it won against vesti comp

[spiral onyx]

I think I just want rock paper scissors, not rock paper scissors with a scissor that only sometimes works from certain angles and has weird things that sometimes let it beat certain rocks made from certain materials lol

[swift mango]

also, you want Blanc p1, Rumani got siren and you can't fill burst gen.

[coarse lake]

oh true, forgot about that

yeah you need rumani to still be able to gen

too many things to consider with it, will just stick with the ver that's working for me atm

[shell hazel]

which one do you run eon?

[coarse lake]

blanc/mihara/rumani/bisc/cindy

the only matches I lose that I could have won were vs scar really, so I just need to beef up rumani to live nuke

but I can't really resolve that anyway without running p1 rumani, thus losing to siren

p2 mihara never fails to die, and with my invest I feel fairly confident I can even win mirror

[shell hazel]

yeah is same as mine

but I think I lose next in the weird mirror version

[coarse lake]

for last 2 seasons it's tied for my best performing comp, so it's doing just fine

[shell hazel]

double buffed scar 2RL just cut me down in one game as well no chance lol

[coarse lake]

yeah, even single buff sometimes kills, but it's not worth risk losing to a weak scar (p3 blanc unable to invuln) or straight loss to siren

it's not a matchup that blanc emi bisc ver can win either, so that's enough for me

[swift mango]

That comp lose against scarlet wipe, it's common lose now after Midhara no longer bugged.

[coarse lake]

yeah ik

but if scar is weaker and only trina buff, and mihara doesn't miss, I can still win

[swift mango]

midhara is actually weak against not jackal linked scarlet.

it's the most common lose even when Midhara was bugged

[coarse lake]

weaker yeah, more likely to miss since no link

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

from what I heard, mihara bug needs enemy to have jackal to even bug

[swift mango]

yes it is

[coarse lake]

but it's just a natural issue with non-2rl blanc bisc really, not much more you can do without worsening other matchups

even blanc emi mihara bisc rumani still requires the same situations to win

just waiting for new unit that revolutionizes sg, it's my worst invest comp by far

[swift mango]

Vesti + Emi synch shot solve 2rl Scar+trina most the time. No need to burst

[glad glade]

This is the decisive battle for my cheer. I’m having trouble on this one. Who would win?

Weird indom is 3 RL and stall is 2.5 RL

[shell hazel]

blue doll nero/moran

[glad glade]

Ikr. It makes this cheer miserable thou

[coarse lake]

yeah but I'd rather have a separate vesti comp that can do the same

noise noah vesti >>> noise noah cindy

also idk if I even wanna bother syncing, too much work, maybe they patch it next patch anyway

[spiral onyx]

Oh it got it

XMica cleanses Mihara

[glad meteor]

Mihara can’t be cleaned right

She got buffed/fixed vs indi

[swift mango]

Noah beat Scarlet though.

[twilit bay]

Rumani/ Mihara/ Blanc/ Biscuit/ Cinderella
Is there a way to invest in this comp other than just getting more cores?

[swift mango]

Midhara can't be cleanse

[glad meteor]

[coarse lake]

well true, but not necessarily if they run soda

[spiral onyx]

Ehhhh 🙁

[coarse lake]

I won against a soda scar bc my vesti killed p3 trina, so they were unbuffed and didn't kill

[swift mango]

Wow surprise Soda can beat everything including Vesti.

[coarse lake]

I just don't like 3rl noise noah cindy ok?

[umbral belfry]

ein

[swift mango]

I use 3.5rl Noise Noah cindy this season, my weird team that somehow didn't lose once.

[coarse lake]

with biscuit tho?

[swift mango]

yeah

[coarse lake]

[glad glade]

Thank you!

[swift mango]

So many people running 3rl teams nowadays I had to dust off my siren.

[umbral belfry]

no I wasn't saying ein wins, I was surprised to see an ein LMAO

[glad glade]

So you think the stall team wins?

[coarse lake]

ein probably wins anyway

assuming ein indoms

[umbral belfry]

yeah

[coarse lake]

who's left side

[umbral belfry]

helm snipes drake? or sbs

[glad glade]

Sbs. Greater CP

[coarse lake]

honestly just on principle I think stall wins

[umbral belfry]

drake is c3. I said sbs assuming stall is attacking side

[swift mango]

There is no buff in that team except Blanc so Idk, maybe the underinvestment Nero could survive.

[coarse lake]

odds of that a 3rl blanc indom setup with no other helpers even indoms properly is unlikely

[umbral belfry]

unless that drake has no atk rolls and sbs has a lot, drake should have more atk

[shell hazel]

3 x 0 rocks thanks @tropic summit

[glad glade]

Oh yeah stall is defending

[coarse lake]

yeah and with just blanc indom it might not kill either

[umbral belfry]

then drake is dead from helm or close to death

[glad glade]

I’ve seen alot of crazy teams in CA

[coarse lake]

yes but I know this brand of crazy

it's not that good esp since this doesn't even have rapu

[glad glade]

Tell me about it T^T. I hate these sort of things since it makes cheering more unpredictable

[swift mango]

And yet something like that killed my 2rl scarlet last season.
with normal attack to boot.

[umbral belfry]

I feel like if ein indoms, she can beat low invest blue doll stall

[coarse lake]

maybe, but I doubt ein indoms

if helmt hits ein, ein dies, if helmt hits drake, misindom

[umbral belfry]

[coarse lake]

drake also dies, so 4rl team

[glad glade]

Hmmmm. That moran managed to survive a 2RL scar nuke from the last battle, so she’ll definitely survive this one

[round torrent]

Is this a good comp?

[umbral belfry]

stall is attacking according to ket

[coarse lake]

ok then lost gen straight up, 4rl blanc

[umbral belfry]

so helm is gonna hit drake

[coarse lake]

stall wins, either lost gen or draket indom

[glad glade]

Defending, sorry. Mixed up the teams

[round torrent]

2nd pic is vs a lvl 500 and I somehow won

[umbral belfry]

ket

[round torrent]

Im lvl 353

[umbral belfry]

yeah then I don't think ein is gonna live to 3rl

[umbral belfry]

not great, but also not horrible

[swift mango]

HelmT would one shot drake no cap.... so no misindom if ded.
and Blanc would trigger before HelmT if both 3rl...

[round torrent]

What would make it great

[umbral belfry]

we would need to see your box

[coarse lake]

blanc team already needs quantum for 3rl, draket dying means 4rl at best speed

so either way I don't see blanc winning

[round torrent]

I got every nikke but vesti and og scarlet

And centi

[umbral belfry]

emi?

[round torrent]

I got emilia

I got all the collab units but uhh eve

[swift mango]

ah you mean, HelmT shooting at drake with normal attack causing misindom. Nvmmy bad.

[umbral belfry]

could easily make a blanc indom emi comp

[round torrent]

Is it good?

[umbral belfry]

for attacking sbs is fine, just don't use her for def

[round torrent]

Oh

[swift mango]

Indom Eve is pretty nice

[umbral belfry]

a blanc emi rh usually wipes a majority of comps assuming emi gets indom

or you could 2rl cindy

[swift mango]

You got Makima?

[umbral belfry]

(noise rumani cindy helm noah)

[round torrent]

I got makima

[umbral belfry]

lots of options even though no vestiT or og scar is ouchie

[round torrent]

Im saving this

[glad glade]

Got it. Thank you guys! I’ll report the results tomorrow

[swift mango]

24-10 hard and Makima.

https://tenor.com/view/toshi-cat-brick-wall-brick-bricks-gif-6571537012887815472

[round torrent]

Scarlet been in the wishlist ever since they let me wishlist pilgrims and still nothing

[umbral belfry]

[round torrent]

Lets say I took a break, im only lvl 353

If I use emilia blanc and rh do I burst with rh b1?

And who do I use alongside? Jackal and biscuit?

[tropic summit]

wows next 3 days you'll get 5 x day surely

[umbral belfry]

not the best example but one example. this is just for atk. you could use this on def I guess but p1 emi makes her an easy siren target

blanc debuffs enemies and rh buffs your attack for indom emi

[round torrent]

Siren is good in pvp?

Damn I know nothing of pvp

[umbral belfry]

yes, she stuns one unit

better in pve but she's usable in pvp

[round torrent]

Ahhh thats why I get stunned sometimes

[umbral belfry]

[round torrent]

Why is rumani good? I've read her kit and she just taunts

Aint noise doing the same?

[umbral belfry]

she has one of the highest burst gen

[round torrent]

Oh

Anis type aha

[umbral belfry]

which is clip rl status (anis jackal centi rumani)

also bc rh is b1 ahead of her, she wouldn't be bursting to taunt

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

don't worry there's 2 teams that can get you 95% of the wins

[round torrent]

Clip rl is the ones who reloads in stages

[round torrent]

I guess one contains scarlet

[tropic summit]

pvp in this game is ridicolously skewed toward attacker and it takes 1 hour to be competitive enough to be in challenger

[swift mango]

At least indom p1 Emi can attack. Indom P2-3-4-5 Emi getting wiped then Siren stunned when Emi charging on other hand, can't even fire off her nuke.

[tropic summit]

ironically not even anymore

[umbral belfry]

having vestiT and og scar makes it easy though

[round torrent]

Vasti took the place?

[tropic summit]

vestiTU can be a scarlet powercreep situationally

[umbral belfry]

I wouldn't know bc I don't have emi!!!

[tropic summit]

it has more archetypes it can counter

[round torrent]

Why would vesti be better than scarlet? Cuz of burst gen?

[umbral belfry]

vesti is stupid broken

[tropic summit]

no it's because of what her kit allows to do

[umbral belfry]

hits 3 enemies before burst. once bursting she hits all 5. has true dmg, good burst gen etc

[round torrent]

Does emilia have to be position 1?

[swift mango]

Yeah, Scarlet wipe at B3 2rl, Vesti wipe before B1 2rl.

[tropic summit]

you can bypass noah teams, you can shred DR teams, you can early pressure

[tropic summit]

exactly

[umbral belfry]

also she can kill p1-p3 before they burst assuming vesti is built well

[tropic summit]

we can safely promote vestiTU in the dumbest and easy team to run

[umbral belfry]

[round torrent]

Damn

Scarlet lost the crown

[umbral belfry]

vesti and emi is a crazy combo together too

[round torrent]

The 3 years reign is over

[umbral belfry]

but first you gotta get her

[swift mango]

if you have Emi and synched her cs with vesti that is.

[round torrent]

Probelm is if I do the teams you said Im dropping from 560k cp to 450k cp

[tropic summit]

build or get familiar with these 2, you should win 95% or more of your matches, because defense teams that can handle both are very rare

[round torrent]

😭😭

[umbral belfry]

oof

[round torrent]

I'm big on pve tbh

My pvp units were never build

[swift mango]

it's fine. Emi losing to Siren is normal. No need to worry about it. If you see Siren, don't use Emi b3. That's it.

[round torrent]

Siren targets water b3 or smth?

[swift mango]

Nah, her stun just a bad match up to emi.

[round torrent]

Oh

Back in my day privaty was meta

😭

[swift mango]

Only Noah(that siren can't stun)+Emi is a good match up against Siren.

[tropic summit]

privaty can be meta

2RL privaty against 2.5RL or 3RL teams could still win

[round torrent]

Aoe stun is crazy tbh

[swift mango]

Noise meta was the best.

[round torrent]

Noise the taunt goddess

[tropic summit]

when she wasn't fixed yet she was near unkillable, i remember matches running out of time

[round torrent]

I dont get why siren stuns tho

[placid bloom]

Because lore

[round torrent]

Oh another problem is that I got people with 3m cp in my bracket while I have 1.5M

I can be top 50 only

[swift mango]

The only time Snow white was meta viable in Arena

I think fixing Noise was the start of Arena favor burst over stall. Scarlet in this meme went on and became queen. Noise only 2nd class citizen.

[swift mango]

[round torrent]

I realized I'm losing allot of gems

[round torrent]

Sw can one shot anyone no?

[swift mango]

Yes, but why one shot when you could wipe whole team? And siren stun basically take them out of business without needing to even burst.

[round torrent]

Cant like sw hit everyone? She has a pretty big radius in pve

[swift mango]

P1-2 take it or leave it.

[gritty ridge]

There is a way

[tropic summit]

situationally if opponent was to run linked units yeah

e.g. enemy runs bay or jackal

[round torrent]

Ah

[tropic summit]

there's just better tools than SW nowdays

[placid bloom]

If the opponent’s team only has 2 characters you can hit everyone

[high stream]

Is there any way u can beat something like this? Or is this just a diff u cant overcome?

[tropic summit]

you're gapped

[round torrent]

Is laplace good? She can hit all 5 nikkes no?

[placid bloom]

No

[tropic summit]

no she hits 2 nikke, 1 directly 1 via splash

[high stream]

I started pushing Rookie arena again .. I can do top 5, maybe even 2nd .. but this guy is rank 1, lol.

[round torrent]

Doesn't her range increases

[placid bloom]

No

[round torrent]

My rank 1 is lvl 600 while im lvl 353, im cooked chat

[placid bloom]

You know how many shots she needs for her buff to trigger?

[tropic summit]

you need 423k to not be hit by deficit, enemy team is rather slow although so just pad your team to hit that

[placid bloom]

Fight will be over by then

[high stream]

Hmm .. gotta do quite a bit more padding. Not even my campaign team can reach 423k

[tropic summit]

then give up on that opponent for now

[round torrent]

Her skill 1 says that tho, does xmaiden doesn't do that as well?

[high stream]

Will do I guess

[round torrent]

5 full charge shoots

[swift mango]

Can LapT even hit p3 if she lasted long enough? Like in a stall team.

[round torrent]

What is p1 p2 p3 etc

[high stream]

Also .. is there any effective replacement for Emilia? Apparently this team is .. insane? But I can't build it, cause no Emilia.

Actually .. no Snow maiden either.

[tropic summit]

that team is just a variant of 2RL indom with ada as main B3

[swift mango]

From left to right of your team. P1 to P5.

[tropic summit]

you can literally run jackal sbs helmt blanc centi to achieve the same

[placid bloom]

Hmm probably can’t hit p3 even at max stack, cuz rounding

[high stream]

Oh, okay.

I thought it was something new enabled by ada

[round torrent]

I can do this, but I dont have ada, can I use sbs?

[round torrent]

Does that matter?

[tropic summit]

yes

[swift mango]

I think you could check the old arena guild from Nikke.gg

[round torrent]

WHAT THE HECK

[tropic summit]

vestiTU does even better than that

[round torrent]

Is that why blanc is better than noah?

[high stream]

Wait .. so is my vesti team here basically better than this new ada variant?

[round torrent]

But isnt noah better cuz whole team invincible?

[tropic summit]

situationally

[round torrent]

Imma check it

[tropic summit]

both serve a different archetype purpose

[round torrent]

Blanc is for last stands like that i guess

[tropic summit]

ada can get locked on an invulnerable unit, vestiTU can nuke the whole team

[high stream]

sigh .. i really need someone to properly coach me in pvp for this game

I think it's the next logical step at this point

[tropic summit]

you need 1 hour to get good at pvp enough to hit challenger

[high stream]

I'm top 10, challenger already .. but talking to certain people here, like you

I feel like i know absolutely nothing.

[round torrent]

I do know nothing 😭

[tropic summit]

pvp is really simple, unfortunately if i may add

this game pvp is dumb and easy

[high stream]

i think the biggest thing i wanna learn .. is being able to look at any team and know exactly how to counter it on attack

[round torrent]

I just though if I see scarlet I scram till recently

[swift mango]

Me too @tropic summit

[round torrent]

It doesn't help my case that Im behind...

[tropic summit]

@round torrent

i suggest reading these 2, in order, then getting familiar with burst gen

https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

burst gen:
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[high stream]

let me mark that down

[round torrent]

Can I beat a 100-200 lvl diff if I have the counter team?

[tropic summit]

no, CP pad is an hard block

[round torrent]

Oh

They double my cp 😭✌️ guess im dead

[tropic summit]

at 15,4% deficit, you get hit with massive penality, essentially equal to enemy starting with a blanc B2 already cast upon entry

[high stream]

as far as I know, only Blanc and Noah can overcome deficits past 15,4 effectively

i was told this .. at some point

[round torrent]

My campaign team is only 612k while these mfs at 1.2M with a pvp team

[tropic summit]

not even blanc but rather biscuit

blanc still needs link to not die within 2RL

[high stream]

welp, whoever told me was wrong then

[tropic summit]

unfortunately deficit past 18% generally still gets your link to die within 2RL