pvp-arena

[keen vapor]

Synched CS is another level of insanity

[coarse lake]

before burst even ends

[covert lintel]

How to do synched cs
First time i heard

[swift mango]

How is their research level comparing to yours and what's is you Vesti core?

Well, I'm not sure but I think you just need synched CS and hit one same target and the splash dmg would go up to other target too.

My Vesti deal struck ton of DMG to p4-5 after I synched her up and she hit p3 splash to 4-5 with the synched shot.

[coarse lake]

for chiglets, basically around same lvl, +-10 lvls

my vesti is mlb

this is theirs

prob weaker than mine tbh

[keen vapor]

Champion can be weaker than you so I can win as well

[keen vapor]

Don't

[coarse lake]

the 1 atk vesti does about 200k dmg per shot

chiglet's does about 300k per shot

[swift mango]

Yeah, you just need other RL to survive and synch their shot with one of your shit to buff that shot up. This seasonal buff is awesome.

[gritty ridge]

Ok, does anyone have invested ada?

I wanna know how her skill 2 performs on indom

[coarse lake]

not a single hit post burst on my rapu was boosted

it was always 200-300k proc

unless you're telling me that magically every single one of their vesti hits synced up to the same thing

just invest issue

[covert lintel]

Exactly 2 harran
@swift mango you meanie

[keen vapor]

Probably like Ein so if she dies skill 2 stops

[swift mango]

This right here is a synched shot sir. Right the first shot of your Vesti

[gritty ridge]

Well yeah, but I wanna know its viability

[coarse lake]

it didn't matter tho did it? I'm talking about rapu xmaiden, since only vesti can reach it

[gritty ridge]

I wanna know if it still works against bisc locked p1

[coarse lake]

if synced up shot in p1-p3 didn't get any kills, what difference does it make

[covert lintel]

Opened 9 pilgrim mold, only 4 ssr

[coarse lake]

if anything rapu xmaiden died before moran even died

[swift mango]

I mean, your Vesti just need to synched shot on P1 and her dmg to p2-3-4-5 would be buffed as well.

[coarse lake]

that's emi synced shot

well ig we can't tell for sure since pre-burst

~600k proc there is the synced

I did not see anything higher than 400k in full burst

if synced, it would hit prob 1 mil

[covert lintel]

How can u say don't when i don't even know how to do it

[swift mango]

You could be lucky and get Noah Synched with Vesti one shot, Centi synched with Vesti another, then Emi synched with Vesti another, then Noise synched with Vesti another.

Keep synching all your shoots. Idk, need to test more. I have only synched 3 different shots at once in one specific team.

[coarse lake]

ah yes

both mine and chiglet's vesti teams somehow magically full synced

that's how we both beat high invest nero moran stall without it even being close

[swift mango]

Sure why not.

[coarse lake]

chiglets emi synced up second shot with vesti, mine never has

so despite different vesti and emi cs, still full sync

do you have a case where high invest vesti failed to kill stall?

[lunar pawn]

I got one

[swift mango]

I have but my guys higher synch level.

[coarse lake]

will have to be your own vesti since need to know atk lines

ig can eyeball the procs if in ca

[swift mango]

It was Blanc+Vesti+Helm so can't synch her shot.

[coarse lake]

are you talking about helmt surviving

[swift mango]

Their Nero solo my whole team

[coarse lake]

I can see that

[swift mango]

Not very accurate an example because level of gap

[coarse lake]

there's a reason unbuffed vesti needs sustain

if that was indom vesti and still doing same dmg, stall wins

although blanc should make sure nero dies anyway

so idk what's going on in your case

[swift mango]

How same dmg when Vesti buffed with HelmT and Blanc.

[coarse lake]

do you have no ammo vesti or something

[swift mango]

Maybe.

[lunar pawn]

[swift mango]

Anyway, nice wins.

[coarse lake]

lost to lifestealer due to being indom, yeah I can see that, although being outhealed by a cindy is kinda crazy still

[swift mango]

[coarse lake]

just run sustain vesti

indom vesti is horribly overrated in ca

your entire game plan relies on vesti killing them before fb ends

[swift mango]

Use RH instead of Trina to buff your Vesti next time.

[coarse lake]

rather than having a team, teamwork is important

[lunar pawn]

no longer 2rl

[coarse lake]

2rl noise noah vesti, literally that simple

[swift mango]

It's 2rl with RH, no worry sir

[coarse lake]

ig you can do 2rl noah rh vesti too if you want, but imo it's just worse, ig might be better if weak vesti

[lunar pawn]

mine's sr15 38% atk now and sometimes I come across these situations still

[swift mango]

Noah+Biscuit+Vesti+RH+HelmT clap that team, no cap. No need to rely on Seasonal buff either

[lunar pawn]

this you mean?

and what are y'all going about seasonal/synch shots

[swift mango]

Jackal feed and RH cover piercing, Vesti with CS+, you don't need 2rl in Nikke deck to have 2rl team

Their team put HelmT on P2. You just need Noah+Biscuit to stall them. No need 2rl team

[lunar pawn]

Makes sense

I wanted to try adding ada to my rookie defense, not gonna happen probably

[coarse lake]

why waste biscuit and helmt

[umbral crown]

you could.... that was before the known bug blood

[lunar pawn]

rookie

[coarse lake]

then you get sirened

[lunar pawn]

attack team

[coarse lake]

then sure, whatever works

[keen vapor]

[wild hemlock]

Is emi/vesti still bugged

[short plaza]

https://x.com/ibukiyoru/status/1970674342498574785?t=MmQufg23YM-BgzOcFAm1lQ&s=19

いぶき (@ibukiyoru)

エイダｗｗｗ

X · Sep 24, 2025, 2:19 AM

how does this even work

[crystal flicker]

Any of new girls clip RL?

[quick lake]

Its just an Indom Ada. She hits hard apparently

[quick lake]

For pvp?

[green badge]

yes

[quick lake]

Naga Anchor Marciana RH Ada
S.Doro S.Anis Drake Mary Leona
Auto

Missing all of the key pvp units.
Treasure Helm soon
Wishlist Trina, Rumani, Centi, Jackal, Noah, Biscuit, VestiTU

[green badge]

are those 2 different teams or

[quick lake]

It is 3 teams for Special Arena pvp

[green badge]

ok ty

[tropic summit]

@bleak shale @lusty gull

#pvp-arena message
#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

not ada if anything, mag RL

[quick lake]

My guess it was bugged previously,
now is the return back to normal

[tropic summit]

just SU things

[vapid lake]

why do i have so many copies of noise

[quick lake]

Noise is great wdym

[vapid lake]

Yea but can i get og scarlet

[quick lake]

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-punch-ground-punching-ground-it-shouldve-been-me-it-shouldve-been-me-not-him-gif-18069003738146878767

[shell hazel]

so LapT should be even greater now? her burst gen was decent before not sure how much better we're talking

[vapid lake]

? Nani? Laplace s2 affect cover now?

[shell hazel]

that is the word on the street

[vapid lake]

[raven plover]

does that mean emi gen also better

[vapid lake]

Vesti also?

[raven plover]

[shell hazel]

this conversation was had already I think in the linked bits, or near them. Emi wasn't any diff

unsure on vesti

[wind kelp]

Well in good news, you'll never see her in pulls again 😄

[umbral crown]

[wind kelp]

Finished 3rd in Spa, so i think i'll just run the teams that got me to 64 in League, since they're upgraded and all that.

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

When helm hit decoy she probably wont lose gen too

[glad meteor]

Also means its easier to break cover, if you break cover too early. You lose gen

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

Red

[swift mango]

The seasonal buff was around since before just no one knows until Ba7tial mentioned it. My records of Vesti one shot were taken a month ago.

[umbral crown]

[raven plover]

rip bay

[swift mango]

AgentEon said not

[raven plover]

ok maybe not rip bay

[swift mango]

You could hyper test it yourself.

[shell hazel]

join us. Become as red

https://tenor.com/view/redrum-gif-25579755

[swift mango]

I think Vesti has the same wording as Laplace unlike Emi so may have her gen increased....

[raven plover]

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/humpback-whale-whale-onthe12thfloor-stan-twitter-gif-3446111347746334272

[rich ledge]

This is the CN analysis of the new burst gen

[swift mango]

All I get is that you phone clock count seconds

[rich ledge]

AI translate for now I'll translate later maybe

[swift mango]

Yeah, covers aren't counted as nikke parts in arena. And apparently it doesn't have a main body too.

[swift mango]

Anyway, Bay treasure recovers her cover so it doesn't matter.

[umbral crown]

forever green

[umbral crown]

The future is today

[rich ledge]

1.灰姑娘，基础充能太低直接不用管。
ignore cindy
2.海伦，原本进攻P5灰姑娘诱饵会丢失2技能额外伤害，导致19.91-2.8，现在充能稳定。
Helm - Originally attacking P5 Cindy decoy would lose skill 2's additional damage 19.91-2.8, but now it is stable.
3.贝斯蒂：战术升级，从原本的9判变成12判，每发5.85变成7.8，2RL11.7→15.6，4RL23.4→31.2。因为模组攻击慢，主要是对标准2.5RL时间的影响大。
Vesti TU from 9 hit counts to 12 hit counts, from 5.85 per shot to 7.8. RL11.7→15.6，4RL23.4→31.2. Due to slow charge, it this affects more for 2.5 RL teams
4.姬野废物跳过。
Himeno skip
5.爱蜜莉雅(EMT)，2技能本应该对掩体造成伤害也可以对本体造成额外伤害，但是未能生效，实际还是
2RL25.2,3RL37.8。推测是只生效一次额外导致。
Emilia skill 2 should have effect on cover as well as main target, however it seems that it is still 2RL25.2,3RL37.8, Guessing it only has effect additionally once
6.特罗尼废物跳过。
trony skip
7.拉普拉斯，从原本的6判变成8判，每发8.7变成11.6，2RL17.4→23.2，3RL26.1→34.8。提升非常大。
Laplace, from 6 hit counts to 8 from 8.7 per shot to 11.6 per shot，2RL17.4→23.2，3RL26.1→34.8, huge increase.
8.普琳玛废物跳过。
Frima skip
9.艾可希雅废物跳过。
Exia skip
10.A2，从原本的9判变成12判，每发11.7变成15.6，2RL23.4→31.2。因为A2是接近标线1.5RL时间一刀，增加充能后也没有用处，突破又低。
A2 from 9 hit counts to 12, from 11.7 per shot to 15.6, ，2RL23.4→31.2. Since A2's attack is near 1.5RL timing, the increase in charge doest have much use,
11.模拟室不重要。
Simulation room skip

[keen vapor]

Yup mostly a LaplaceT buff

[lunar pawn]

What are you guys on about?

[rich ledge]

the buff that skills with additional attacks now hits cover, increasing burst gen for some characters

[lunar pawn]

Since when

[umbral belfry]

[rich ledge]

since today's patch

[lunar pawn]

Any of the calculators got updated yet?

[umbral crown]

Himeno

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

We cooking new teams this seasom?

[shell hazel]

Hime(no)

[valid inlet]

Hime! Did you see the PoliT position tests I posted 2 days ago?

[umbral belfry]

I did not

[valid inlet]

p5 has advantage over Scar Jack, I was a bit surprised

But p1 has better chance to win Indom Vesti

So I guess either one is good and RNG arena will decide your fate

[umbral belfry]

yeah there's pros and cons of p1 and p5 poli depending on matchup. unfortunately in rng arena there's no telling how it'll go

[valid inlet]

And p3 the worst

[umbral belfry]

p3 poli

[craggy crystal]

any tips on countering noise noah sbs biscuit helmt? bit of a cp difference but i was beating it before

[lunar pawn]

tvesti

[shell hazel]

sbs is weak to biscuit also

[umbral belfry]

either 2rl scar comp or noah bisc (as bisc + taunter defender hard counter sbs)

something like 3rl noah bisc cindy. or just fry sbs with vestiTU

either stall vestiTU or indom vestiTU

granted if you're cp gapped too hard it's

[craggy crystal]

its like 180k gap, my scarlet team was doing it but stopped about a week as they jumped up a bit. now im salty. my vesti is still a wip

[umbral belfry]

that sounds like a potential co gap. show your team cp vs theirs

[shell hazel]

noise noah rapi biscuit helmT? 😄

rapi pew pew, biscuit prevents their SBS being effective

cp gap to deficit = gg

[craggy crystal]

ignore the horrid hdr screenshot

[umbral belfry]

yeah you're cp gapped

[quick lake]

Oof, cp gap

[umbral belfry]

it might be possible to win with a noah bisc cindy comp maybe

but not 100% sure

[quick lake]

Maybe RH for Siren

mega cp

cp deficit not fun im also trying to figure out ways to win my whale

[umbral belfry]

[craggy crystal]

my bracket is cursed so gotta do what i can

[umbral belfry]

matchup wise this is winnable, but bc the cp gap is so large it's extremely hard now

[quick lake]

Day 1 bracket? Big sync difference

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[craggy crystal]

i started at like 1.5 anniv

[umbral belfry]

you took a break didn't you

[craggy crystal]

nope, think ive missed one day since 1.5 anniv

[umbral belfry]

[quick lake]

Man, the whales whaled alot

[umbral belfry]

[craggy crystal]

theres a 2.1m a 1.97m and a 1.2m in my bracket so here i am fighting the 900ks trying to maintain something. I usually end number 5 up until i stopped beating that first team

[rich ledge]

do u always push hard campaign as far as you can?

[craggy crystal]

I havent in a minute but I did previously, can spend some time there

I'm the lowest cp clearer for pilgrim tower tho

[umbral belfry]

sync 403 for 1.5 anni does seem a bit low but I'm not 100% sure

clearing hard mode for more core dust is good though

[rich ledge]

campaign normal and hard matters alot if you want to compete

[umbral belfry]

helps you catch up anyway you can

[rich ledge]

im f2p started at summer sakura and im 408

[craggy crystal]

I think my first banner was moran or elegg, which i think was right around 1.5

[rich ledge]

i still have core boxes saved for when story drops during anniversary

[umbral belfry]

is it confirmed we're getting new chapters? I only know of the side story

[rich ledge]

confirmed i think

[umbral belfry]

[rich ledge]

lemee take out the dev notes

I recall mentioning my anticipation for the 3rd anniversary story event in a developer's note earlier this year. It is a story I have personally been looking forward to for a long time, and I am eager to present it to you as soon as possible.

Aside from this, the Main Story and Surface content updates for the 3rd anniversary are under steady development. While I'd love to go into detail, I want to share it in a fuller form at a more suitable time, so I will skip the detailed explanations of the October update in this developer's note. Please look forward to the upcoming 3rd anniversary special program.

[umbral belfry]

yay

[rich ledge]

ill go to 421 sync when anni drops

[swift mango]

Vesti with 21 CS too

[craggy crystal]

So started doing more hard campaign, outpost defense levels arent increasing core gain and no core rewards, is it only certain ones?

chapter 18 hard for reference

[rich ledge]

its certain breakpoints about 7-10 outpost level increases 1 core per hour depending

my hard is at 30-33 now

88 core per hr

[craggy crystal]

okay yeah im 71/h

level 342

[rich ledge]

my vesti team with 660k cp can beat a almost 900k cp

[craggy crystal]

yeah, I got vesti today cause I missed her on banner. dont have quite enough to overload her yet

[swift mango]

Sorry but u

[rich ledge]

My opponent is 462 and I'm 408 so it's doable

[umbral belfry]

there are certain breakpoints for core dust increases. you need to reach them first

https://discord.com/channels/946719263866101821/1229775845334319185

[rich ledge]

i think need like 3 more normal story updates then it can bring the endgame coredust to us

6 story chapters

[umbral belfry]

[lunar pawn]

noah can taunt helm nuke?

[umbral belfry]

p sure she can

[tropic summit]

essentially xmaiden burst gen tier

you could say rather than buffed it's more of "fixed"

as she's now near the same as regular clip SG tier instead of worse clip SG

[umbral belfry]

I love seasonal buffs

[dim escarp]

wait Laplace got random buff ?

huge

[umbral belfry]

something something cover something something burst gen

[dim escarp]

[umbral belfry]

[dim escarp]

I was not here yesterday to see about Ada. What about her burst gen ?

I did pull but don't really plan to invest expect if she's clip or something

[umbral belfry]

mag RL

[dim escarp]

oh perfect

I can sleep peacefully until the anniv

[umbral belfry]

[wicked horizon]

I think I finally qualified for CA.
I need 2 more teams now. 😩

I can't look at the previous CA for data, can I?

[shell hazel]

you can still open the existing CA and see the teams

[wicked horizon]

O

yoink

Is there any realistic scenario where you could actually plan any sort of counters?

Since I understand everything's heavily shuffled and random.
No clue if you're attacking or defending or against whom?

[spiral onyx]

So Laplace+'s burst gen is even higher now?

What about the Mihara change? Is she fixed now? Or "as intended"

[tropic summit]

it's all RNG, your best bet is to make either 3 very strong teams and 2 weaker ones, betting it all on those or distributing your power for although lower odds per team

[tropic summit]

around same as xmaiden atm

[shell hazel]

I feel like my mihara never bugged out like I've seen 😄

[wicked horizon]

Making 3 teams was a pain. I can't imagine 5.

There's the SG + Rosa team (who are all the non-Rosa units there?)
There's Nero Moran Helm (who are the other two?)
And then the standard stuff I guess?
Scarlet Trina (Jakcal too, or is that too wasteful?)
Cindy with... idk Biscuit
Vesti now? Does SAnis even get used anymore?

[rich ledge]

Not sure? They did something haha

[indigo path]

any nice SPA teams?

[shell hazel]

nero moran helmT rapu flex (LapT or XMaiden common here)

[lunar pawn]

so midhara got further nerfed?

[shell hazel]

2.5RL if your HelmT has some CS usually

[glad meteor]

Cook

[tropic summit]

sounds good enough

s.anis 2.5RL
vesti 2.5RL-3RL
scarlet 2RL-2.5RL
cindy 2.5RL-3RL
SG + rosanna

[umbral belfry]

im about to cook you

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dinner-eat-slice-old-friend-hannibal-gif-8149686

[tropic summit]

K about to get a bento from Hime

RomCom anime

[glad meteor]

Save me rail

[shell hazel]

[wicked horizon]

No Nero Moran anymore?

[tropic summit]

i mean if you've them built sure

[wicked horizon]

God has given me C2 Nero

[shell hazel]

nero and moran both need lots of skills though

and OL's/dolls

[wicked horizon]

Like actual OL rolls?

Or just OL gear?

[hollow lagoon]

ol gear i's say

[wicked horizon]

'cause spending rocks is a high bar.

[shell hazel]

at least OL gear

[hollow lagoon]

u cant get much other than atk/def rolls

[shell hazel]

yeah no major roll requirements for them

Helm does need CS though for that team really

[hollow lagoon]

i\m too lazy to even change my team

[shell hazel]

I'm considering the same Zant lmao

not enough has changed in my units either

[hollow lagoon]

u ran some weird shit last ca

[shell hazel]

the super laziest CA forming ever

I ran great teams wdym? I beat tenshi the terror

[hollow lagoon]

oh right i prob should pull biscuit from cinderella team and shove into indom

or do i?

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

lazy

[shell hazel]

zant

[hollow lagoon]

my vesti bad anyway screw it

[shell hazel]

today is the day

[hollow lagoon]

wat

[shell hazel]

today

401 jump

[hollow lagoon]

oh

congrats ur account is "playable"

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

I finally got scar. 34 ammo brick

[shell hazel]

34 ammo brick 🧱

[hollow lagoon]

me here with 31 ammo scarlet

[shell hazel]

blue or black line?

[glad meteor]

68% is 34

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

I’m a roll anyway

[hollow lagoon]

my vesti has terrible rolls anyway

[glad meteor]

Yesterday i got 3 rocks + 1, 4 ol scar

[shell hazel]

think you need 32 or less to avoid siren stun

[glad meteor]

But i want to invest ada

And jill

[shell hazel]

god don't get me started on rocks my last 12 tries on kraken s7 was 2 rocks only

4 days x 3 tries

[hollow lagoon]

yesterday i tried pulling Ada, i got scarlet/harran/redhood/sbs

[glad meteor]

How good is scar trina compared to jill or ada in raid useage even

[shell hazel]

hacks

[hollow lagoon]

my scarlet is core 4 now kinda scary even tho she only has 2 atk rolls

[shell hazel]

i'm waiting for both RE units to be out my plan is to just get a copy of both and bounce

[glad meteor]

Has anyone cooked ada in pvp

Saw some lifesteal comp eariler

[hollow lagoon]

i wouldent cook ada for pvp, unless oof burst buffer

[gritty ridge]

No! She is only for fighting zombies

[shell hazel]

[quick lake]

Indom Ada

[gritty ridge]

[hollow lagoon]

life steal cinderella could be weird

[glad meteor]

Indom isn’t bad. But vesti blanc/ slow cindy maybe better?

[hollow lagoon]

problem is her steal and buffs goes to b3 only

[glad meteor]

Need some sort of nuck blocker

[hollow lagoon]

ada is pertty solid tho seens to out do ein for the squad because she can buff, well, when i was testing in scope lock anyway

[gritty ridge]

I still wanna see how ada interacts with biscuit locked b1

[hollow lagoon]

was running Ada +Sanis vs Ein+Sanis

in scope lock union shooting range

[glad meteor]

Rosy ein bye bye again

Electric raid will be fun at least. I’m terms of cooking.

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-alone-lonely-quarantine-life-kyriostsahs-sad-gif-17868758

[hollow lagoon]

ada could work for to get around noah cuz of how her burst works, but not sure if its aoe

[glad meteor]

Not like emi

[hollow lagoon]

dont have emi

[glad meteor]

But can snipe biscuit invul unit if timed right after it ends

[hollow lagoon]

in other words kinda jank but dont see her as a CA unit

but can be niche use for non ca

[glad meteor]

If only she had xmaid gen at least

[hollow lagoon]

her proc is timegated

[wicked horizon]

Can someone explain Vesti to me?
Is she a nuker? Can she one-shot like Scarlet? Is there a delay in her burst damage?
Does she have comparable damage post-nuke to SAnis?

[hollow lagoon]

vesti is just sustained dps pressure

attacking like 3 units at a time?

is what i think?

i cant test because i cant

[glad meteor]

Her nuke is eh, can one tap a wind weak unit if invested with strong ele

[wicked horizon]

Is true damage still elemental? 🤔

[hollow lagoon]

u mean fire weak /wind code

[glad meteor]

5 during burst

[hollow lagoon]

interesting

[shell hazel]

she's strong

[hollow lagoon]

my vesti rolls are ass tho cant really do much, with my sbs core 3 now i might switch back to sbs

[shell hazel]

I think even meh vesti > decent rolled SBS

[fast nest]

If vesti's options are good, scarlet can be erased before her burst

[wicked horizon]

Anyway, not intended to one-shot then, and rather meant to be played in comps similar to SAnis then?

[hollow lagoon]

decently rolled core 3 sbs?

[shell hazel]

yes probably even so

if SBS stares at a biscuit she can't win

[hollow lagoon]

sigh

[placid bloom]

she is what SBS wants to be

[shell hazel]

vesti has no real direct counters outside of maybe ros

[placid bloom]

strong enough to instakill if no protection, strong enough to kill after protection wears off

[glad meteor]

Some comps are designed to kill p1-3 before full burst

[shell hazel]

that is stronger with emi but she's still powerful

even more deadly if well built

[glad meteor]

Mainly trio

[placid bloom]

just overtuned char

[shell hazel]

although how much of that is potential seasonal bug 😄

[hollow lagoon]

wont catch me investing in her much tho, its like investing in ca, which is lots of resource puny rewards

[fast nest]

If 4ele 4attack 4crit rate and be with absolute squad, there is a chance oneshot blanc or noah.

[placid bloom]

8 ammo Vesti

[shell hazel]

yeah vesti sucks on bosses so not a huge ton of value outside of CA/SPA

[placid bloom]

do or die

[glad meteor]

Good in mobbing

[shell hazel]

I've run her for some hard mode stages though she's good there

yeah the true damage eats past the deficit it's strong

[glad meteor]

The attack nerf is still bad, she need attack buffs

[shell hazel]

wish she worked a bit better specifically in bosses when with the full absolute trio

seems that even they can't really make her work and most just run eunwha/emma duo

[lunar pawn]

if only it did too in 1079f

[hollow lagoon]

eunwa emma duo is not bad

[placid bloom]

if you resource to invest them

they are luxury units

[wicked horizon]

Any good ways to target Blanc indom on specific units?

[lunar pawn]

1. make sure they're the lowest max hp around
2. make sure they get hit

[wicked horizon]

The second point might just end up with them dead before the indom.

[fast nest]

And Use jackal..?

[placid bloom]

Jackal is the most guaranteed way, p2 with Blanc Biscuit p1 can be okay if they have no way to hit p3-5 like defending SG or something

[lunar pawn]

how much is the difference damagewise between burst blanc and RH b1 buff?

in a situation you can only choose 1

[fast nest]

Blanc burst is b2. Why not comparing to trina?

[lunar pawn]

because you can either have RH or blanc in your team in this situation

[fast nest]

?? You mean you will not use trina burst?

[lunar pawn]

don't question the variables

[umbral belfry]

the good ol days of scar blanc rh pre trina

[glad meteor]

New gen

[umbral belfry]

i'm new gen

[wicked horizon]

Seriously though, what are the units in the SG + Rosa team?
I don't have TViper.

In no particular order - Rosanna, Drake, BSoda, and...

[tropic summit]

what do you mean good ol days, it still works

[fast nest]

Ann?

[tropic summit]

bsoda drakeT naga ros noir
bsoda drakeT xanne ros noir
bsoda drakeT poliT ros noir

[wicked horizon]

What's Naga's/Poli's role in there?
Just healing? They're not Clip SGs.

[placid bloom]

you have enough burst gen without a 4th clip

[wicked horizon]

Fair enough

[placid bloom]

assuming someone dies ofc

[umbral belfry]

it does but trina is far more common

[umbral crown]

B2

[wicked horizon]

So, healing, and just the virtue of being a SG?

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

torn is typing like he's never played pvp before, did he sell his account?

[placid bloom]

PoliT actually has a fat Atk buff if it comes down to BSoda nuking

[tropic summit]

who's this torn

[umbral belfry]

goated for SG comps

[wicked horizon]

I never had to worry about these teams.

[placid bloom]

Naga is just worse PoliT most of the time

[umbral belfry]

either do p1/p5 poli if you're gonna run her

[placid bloom]

but PoliT is too much resource

[fast nest]

Any reason not ViperT?

[umbral belfry]

that's why i got her treasured asap

[tropic summit]

it's CA just go eco and run effing bsoda drake naga ros noir

[umbral crown]

Too much?

[placid bloom]

most people don't build Viper these days

[fast nest]

Fair enough

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

you can use her if you built her like a year ago

[tropic summit]

and then it's a viper phase 3

[umbral belfry]

bricked

[fast nest]

[umbral crown]

[lone sequoia]

most people don't have the dupes to get the treasures

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, going for Viper or Poli treasure is a bit much for me.

[umbral belfry]

then believe in xanne

[placid bloom]

what if they skipped rerun

[lone sequoia]

and by most people i mean me

[umbral belfry]

but the rerun is still going

[placid bloom]

[wicked horizon]

XAnne is still in the shop.

[umbral belfry]

i mean he only has a few hours left but yes

[placid bloom]

oh yeah because maint was 1 day early

[wicked horizon]

I don't think I'm going to go for her though.

[umbral belfry]

welp.

then your b2 options are lackluster

[wicked horizon]

Naga it is

[lone sequoia]

she will not come back for like 2 years

[tropic summit]

'bout time

[fast nest]

One question, why not Sdoro?

[placid bloom]

because she does nothing

[umbral belfry]

sdoro on sg comp

[lone sequoia]

poli treasure if you don't have xanne

[umbral belfry]

not clip, better b3 options

[tropic summit]

poor burst gen, water code, only contribute early dmg, weak B3 if main B3

[placid bloom]

I only use her because CP pad

[fast nest]

But she can melt nero like butter. No?

[placid bloom]

nope

[umbral belfry]

let her meet up with a scar

[wicked horizon]

If I don't have have XAnne, I don't have TPoli.

[umbral belfry]

i wouldn't say she 'melts' nero

[lone sequoia]

if your sdoro is really strong, you can use her, like full 4atk-4ele+some crit rate+ammo

[placid bloom]

I tried, SG cannot kill Nero before burst

[umbral belfry]

the ele dmg will help, yes. but not instant death assuming nero does die

[tropic summit]

rip a whole new hole

[placid bloom]

Nero skill 2 extra HP is actually so fat it's crazy

[umbral belfry]

good cat

[fast nest]

Of course not alone, but I saw some vids Tviper Sdoro melts nero before burst.

[umbral crown]

Nero is not a random unit which gonna die rhat ez

[umbral belfry]

well if it's 2 water then yes the chances are higher

[lone sequoia]

SG team can, but is whale territory

[fast nest]

Of course no mana comp.

[lone sequoia]

and you need some recycling room lvls+ the already broken OL some SG have

[umbral belfry]

but overall sdoro isn't a great pick for sg comp

[placid bloom]

you need really really strong SG to kill Nero, it's not easy at all

[umbral belfry]

and nero doesn't die easy until sg are stronk

[placid bloom]

that matchup is almost always losing for attacker side

[tropic summit]

imagine running sdoro for that team to have 1 out of 5 chances of meeting nero

[umbral belfry]

[wicked horizon]

I feel like I have some odd leftover units now.

1 more team to make, and
B1) Noise, RH, Rumani, Mermaid
B2) Biscuit, Noah, Bay
B3) Cindy, SAnis
left to use.

[fast nest]

Yeah recently I invest Sdoro for 36chapter snake, so I wanted to use her for efficient investment.

[umbral belfry]

you have a noise noah cindy team right there sir

[placid bloom]

[wicked horizon]

Sure, but then I still have leftovers.

Leftovers that feel like units too good to not use.

[tropic summit]

show the other 4 teams for starters...

[umbral belfry]

what are your teams

[tropic summit]

because i'm highly concerned what he built

[umbral belfry]

no bully

[wicked horizon]

I got 'em on paper, let me put them somewhere nicer.

[fast nest]

And make a counter deck against him.

[umbral belfry]

both rail and torn in global

[tropic summit]

take a photo of the paper, show us your manly handwriting

[wicked horizon]

I don't think anyone here's in the same bracket as me.

[umbral belfry]

i'm vibing in NA so not me

[wicked horizon]

We write exclusively in cursive here.

And I don't write good cursive.
You may as well be reading doctor scribbles.

[tropic summit]

that in itself sounds interesting

[hollow lagoon]

blue hime was cuter

[umbral belfry]

zant i told u the era of arcana is over

[wicked horizon]

Who's even bursting in the SG team?
BSoda?

[umbral belfry]

preferably, or drake

[wicked horizon]

Drake isn't even AoE?

[umbral belfry]

she isn't, she's a nuke ST

[hollow lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/arcana-nikke-goddess-of-victory-arcananikke-arcanaburst-gif-8325812391921740091

[umbral belfry]

but you want bsoda bursting to answer your question

[lunar pawn]

arcana never had an era

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-goku-angry-xenoverse-2-gif-7335905850737743765

[hollow lagoon]

nah i still like arcana more

[umbral belfry]

arcana is still cute

[tropic summit]

think of SG team as a suicide yolo no regrets rush B team, they want to kill 2 units pre 2.5RL, sacc, wipe

they want to prevent opponent from even bursting altogether

[lunar pawn]

sure

[umbral belfry]

but velvet is

[umbral crown]

Now velvet?

[umbral crown]

I can confirm

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/lewd-trinity-seven-anime-sign-gif-7407062

[lunar pawn]

imagine velvet's next release is her on maid uniform, and her bunny event outfit is a costume gacha

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

Trinity seven

[umbral crown]

We do the thing

💳

[umbral belfry]

✂️

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

hime already getting her scissors ready

[wicked horizon]

Here you go
RH, Mermaid, Bay, and SAnis left over

[lunar pawn]

1 costume gacha
OR
6 big cake slices

[lunar pawn]

your helm doesn't have CS lines?

[wicked horizon]

Does she need to? :panik:

[lunar pawn]

why is tvesti in p1?

[umbral belfry]

3rl stall is a no go

[lunar pawn]

difference between 2.5rl and 3rl team

[tropic summit]

2.5RL you burst with moran, which gives you nuke resistance
3RL you eat whole enemy nuke unprotected

[wicked horizon]

What if enemy has 3RL nuke?

[finite prawn]

Ada mid or meta?

[placid bloom]

if they have 3RL nuke they are bad and they won't make it out of groups anyway

[umbral belfry]

p1 needs 2.5rl
p2 put jack in pos1 to avoid siren. jack vesti xmaid blanc (blanc pos4 to avoid vesti hitting p1-3 pre burst) lap
p3 soda preferred in pos2
p4 fine
p5 fine

[umbral belfry]

mid but has usage in indom

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

it's not me doing it rosy

[wicked horizon]

Isn't Cindy usually a 3RL Nuke?

[umbral belfry]

2.5rl is common for ca

[umbral crown]

But mine is 3 rl

[umbral belfry]

but she can be yes

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

rosy what

[tropic summit]

cindy wants to be 2.5RL with noise for the same reason as nero moran

[finite prawn]

Thank you

[tropic summit]

gives you nuke resistance against single buff scar or weaker nukers

[wicked horizon]

I am not putting rocks in for CA, I'm sorry.

[quartz rover]

Do you want cs for pve on helm anyway

[tropic summit]

that's reasonable

[umbral belfry]

don't think for pve it's importance but also not terrible

[wicked horizon]

I have 2 CS lines on Helm, but that's not enough for CA I'd imagine.

[quartz rover]

Doesn't she heal you with each charged shot

[tropic summit]

helmT is fine on 8%CS

obviously you'd want higher but that is still enough to hit the important thresholds

[umbral belfry]

iirc 8 cs doesn't make 2.5

it's only min 11 cs no? according to deck at least

[lunar pawn]

I thought deck was either 0 or 17

[umbral belfry]

but if he doesn't want to invest for ca (which is his own choice, not judging), not much to do

[tropic summit]

the golden number is 15

11 15 18

[lunar pawn]

which is it

[wicked horizon]

I mean, if 3RL stall is so bad, I do feel I have the pieces for a SAnis team of sorts.

[umbral belfry]

11 cs on helm is mandatory (min) for 2.5

[umbral crown]

[umbral belfry]

the reason why it's less vs RLs is bc SR has no travel speed

[lunar pawn]

I mean, why are they showing so many numbers on the same symbol

[umbral belfry]

oh. that idk

[lunar pawn]

easier to just slap the percentage

[umbral crown]

missing some cs on helm

[umbral belfry]

this is almost as worse as you running 0 ammo vesti

[wicked horizon]

What's the difference if Soda is on P2?
While Jackal on P1 makes sense, I don't understand the rest.

[obtuse dagger]

CP diff i think no?

vid is not mine

[umbral belfry]

soda being in p2 vs taunters (noah + noise) will make her ALWAYS stun them due to splash dmg. if soda is in p3 vs taunters she can't be hit, thus making it entirely rng on who she stuns vs 100% chance

[wicked horizon]

Woag

[umbral belfry]

noah/noise's positions won't matter either

[lunar pawn]

gameplay recorded on a 1995 refrigerator

[obtuse dagger]

its just that the ada's dmg prevents biscuits passive to proc on noah thats wild

[umbral belfry]

bisc can't help an ohko

[gritty ridge]

Chat can I use rumani noah instead of noise noah

[umbral belfry]

yes but why would you wanna lose out on hp buff

for both party and cindy

[gritty ridge]

So i can fit ada in

[umbral belfry]

[wicked horizon]

Non-streamers using "chat" unironically has got to be the one of the worse chat trends.

[gritty ridge]

I wanna know if its a dps loss or gain with vesti

[umbral belfry]

i wouldn't but it is possible yes

[placid bloom]

I don't think 11% Helm lets Moran burst in time for Scar B3

[umbral belfry]

she makes it

granted my helm is only 12 cs, so obvs not 11 cs buuut mind makes it handily

[shell hazel]

you can adjutant 2% as well don't froget 🐸

[umbral belfry]

it should be around the same time given i'm not at the next threshold yet

[shell hazel]

depends if it matters ofc

[umbral belfry]

never saw my moran not make it

more cs on helm one day

[glad meteor]

Helm is sr, so its fine

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

mhm

[shell hazel]

I need to start saving for new pilgrim anni at some point (skill/doll/ol resources)

[glad meteor]

Can’t evade soda stun rng

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

when you see soda stun moran and/or helm gg

[glad meteor]

Give them resources to me

[shell hazel]

I don't have anything atm 🙁

Hime stole all my resources

and Rail stole all my rocks

[glad meteor]

just let moran and xmaiden tank nuke

[umbral belfry]

well if helm gets stunned it's just gg 😭

moran won't even get to burst bc not at full

[shell hazel]

Hime save me

[glad meteor]

Tag teamed

[umbral belfry]

i still gotta do that

[glad meteor]

My nero moran won lol, weak scar

[shell hazel]

my 6 cycle saber/kafka 😄

[gritty ridge]

Oh I dont even need to use rumani

[umbral belfry]

baby scar

[swift mango]

can't evade soda stun ever.

[shell hazel]

I have acheron but saber actually can beat it, acheron gets denied

[umbral belfry]

next pvp meta unit trust

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/acheron-acheron-skill-acheron-leaks-acheron-gameplay-acheron-hsr-gif-18080719809971781501

[glad meteor]

Ade alt, now ade treasure

[mystic rain]

my drake bsoda both sr15 still not highest atk compared to my sr5 rosanna and sr0 noir

[gritty ridge]

Chat is there a stronger b1 buffer for vest noah than noise

[shell hazel]

Hime I'm getting 401 sync today - Bigboi said I could

[umbral belfry]

lock in

but also main story update is apparently soon so maybe don't open boxes

[swift mango]

Oh it's that Mei 2.0

[glad meteor]

The noise noah aren’t buffers. Rh is

[shell hazel]

cd and bd

[gritty ridge]

Oh, can I run rh noah vest ada helm?

[glad meteor]

[umbral belfry]

rh bursting 1 2 3

[shell hazel]

Bigboi was fun playing chess
I'm rusty as hell but was gg 🙂

[gritty ridge]

Not in that order you

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

Maybe if you keripo with max cores

[umbral belfry]

bigkeripo 57

[swift mango]

Soda counter soda. Slower Soda win the mirror if both stunned scarlet. I guess Keripo would never use Soda because his CS so high.

[umbral belfry]

suffering from success

[gritty ridge]

I was super rusty too I did like 10 ish more matches after and won all of them

[shell hazel]

bigkeripo57 let's go

[gritty ridge]

Half were resigns tho cuz people didnt wanna be checkmated

[shell hazel]

man you stuck out that 2nd game and we got stalemate 😄

I'd have probably resigned before then, but draw is draw

[gritty ridge]

Nah i never resign

[shell hazel]

I noticed haha

[wicked horizon]

Okay, but like, if the first team desperately needs 2.5RL, would I be better off replacing it with SAnis?
But then, how do I do that without ruining the other teams?

[gritty ridge]

I can tell when Ive lost tho

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry I need Hysilens please send

I'm saving for Cyrene

[gritty ridge]

Think of the nuke dmg

[brazen ledge]

@gritty ridge Gonna try to get MA again soon ?

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna give it like a month

[shell hazel]

Bigboi already is MA (in my heart)

[gritty ridge]

Give em another 10 billion messages to look through

[shell hazel]

-# with AI

[gritty ridge]

If they used Ai to look through my messages I will not apply again

[tropic summit]

march alter

[shell hazel]

yeah

but I think Cyrene is the better bet

[placid bloom]

wym, Sopa's AI was perfect at summarizing our conversations

[gritty ridge]

[shell hazel]

we scared Sopa off

Bigboi ate him

[gritty ridge]

Sopa unfriended me on discord

He hates me

[tropic summit]

the day we get bigboi MA we'll start having a bready team added in pins

[gritty ridge]

Imagine killing vesti pre burst

[placid bloom]

well that Noah can die in like 2 SG volleys if DrakeT strong enough

then Vesti is next

[gritty ridge]

In what team?

[placid bloom]

unless your Anchor is supposed to be Biscuit

[gritty ridge]

That anchor is an ada stand in

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

le murder squad ^

[gritty ridge]

Rail that was scary

[shell hazel]

Rail!

don't scare us children sir, we're good (well behaved mostly)

[tropic summit]

[lunar pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/yinlin-wuthering-waves-yinlin-yinlin-burst-yinlin-wuthering-waves-gif-9813986235890664310

[gritty ridge]

I still wanna see how ada does against bisc locked team with her s2

[tropic summit]

what are you waiting for? roll her, build her, test her, post video

[shell hazel]

yeah she's great from the short time I had trialling her in WuWa 😄

but I don't play WuWa anymore

[gritty ridge]

Yeah lemme dump my scar/trina mats into ada rq

I already have her tho

[shell hazel]

as an MA should

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-crossed-arms-pikachu-eyes-closed-pokemon-gif-15194868

[lunar pawn]

what the crown doing there

[gritty ridge]

I have every limited unit that has released since I started

And it will stay that way

[lunar pawn]

come back so I can get returnee rewards then you can quit again

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-duckling-no-no-way-i-dont-agree-gif-4243311

[wicked horizon]

What's the reasonable minimal amount a team can feed Jakcal in 2RL?

[shell hazel]

you'd have to pay me lmao

[wicked horizon]

4%? 8%?

[shell hazel]

it's close to 4% with no feed comp

or super low feed RL comp

in CA it's pretty unrealistic you can't feed 8-10%

[wicked horizon]

So 93% 2RL Jackal team might not burst in 2RL?

[shell hazel]

pretty unlikely in a CA env

[wicked horizon]

Is this like, snipers only, or why?

[shell hazel]

RL mainly I think

like entire opponent team is RL

[lunar pawn]

RL/SR yea?

[shell hazel]

yeah 🙂

[lunar pawn]

it'll feed like 4% at most

[wicked horizon]

I was just looking for someone better than Rapunzel into this team.

[shell hazel]

3.55% - 7.1% 2RL

[swift mango]

0% with 4 SR and 0% cs vesti.

[shell hazel]

some random RL units (not a real team)

[tropic summit]

take this team as a realistic benchmark

[shell hazel]

if you're running rapu with Scar team you may as well put here at like p2 so she may stun opponents if you're lucky

jackal backup b1

[swift mango]

Noah double hit. Maiden double hit on p1. 14 is p1 linked. 26 is p1-2 linked

[tropic summit]

the most common chinnit team

[wicked horizon]

Well, that's the point, I'd rather run someone more useful.

[shell hazel]

they love it

siren/rh/soda are common flex units if you have 2RL speed

[gritty ridge]

Ok im going back to reading, enjoy your discussions

[shell hazel]

you can run SR Anis with this comp, you could save jackal for vesti comp but it makes it a bit weaker

[tropic summit]

better be a good visual novel

[shell hazel]

thanks MA bigboi

[gritty ridge]

Its a manwha

[tropic summit]

a friend of yours then @swift mango

he also dabbles in manwha

[gritty ridge]

I read quite a few wanwhas, almost no manhua

[wicked horizon]

RH leaves this at risk (it's a SPA defense team here)

[shell hazel]

@strong hull is the manwha follower of choice round here

[gritty ridge]

Manga is harder to read for free

[shell hazel]

you say leave at risk but even if not quite 2RL it should be close to it, even with super low feed

your opponent would really need to know what they're doing to like 4% feed you

[wicked horizon]

Putting all RL/SR doesn't take a lot of knowledge, no?

[swift mango]

Nah I read all KR Manhwa, JP Manga, CN Manhua, US original manga style comic, and rarely US comic that's not manga style. So long as they clicked.

[tropic summit]

isn't this CA anyway? it's all RNG

[strong hull]

[gritty ridge]

I dont like mahua, they're always super super fast paced in my experience

[tropic summit]

wew that's a lot

[shell hazel]

you know it's true

[wicked horizon]

No, I'm asking for SPA for a change.
I'm trying to fit Vesti instead of SAnis into my SPA defense teams.

[tropic summit]

oh oke

get that into 97% if you wanna ensure it's promoted to 2RL via feed

[wicked horizon]

I would love to. Not sure how though.

[shell hazel]

means another battery that is not xmaiden

[tropic summit]

95% is risky although likely to be 2RL

[swift mango]

manhua is the least fast pace in all comic, they often have series with over 500 chapters.

[gritty ridge]

I tried reading dual element mage and astral pet shop but the pacing is genuinly atrocious

[wicked horizon]

I also can't put all my batteries there.

[gritty ridge]

We might read a different genre

[tropic summit]

keep in mind that even if you were 2RL, that team is just glass cannon, noah or bay or 2RL indom trivializes it

[swift mango]

well, you didn't read the best of them, astral pet shop barely readable

[gritty ridge]

I agree, but its the genre I like is the problem. There was one I read where a guy merges with a panda spirit that I enjoyed tho

[swift mango]

Soda trivializes everything

[tropic summit]

pvp arena is trivialized*

just a nuisance to get rid off twice a day

[gritty ridge]

It had like 1k chapters last I checked

[wicked horizon]

Yeah, but... all teams have a counter.

I'm always open to better teams, but people haven't cooked defense teams for me in close to a year now I think.

[swift mango]

just stun the right 2 units. Easy.

[tropic summit]

you need CS% at your synchro to even have a chance to defend succesfully against anyone with a clue

[gritty ridge]

Theres also the issue of me hating the hiding your power trope

[shell hazel]

@wicked horizon even with Rail example you feed to 2RL here

[swift mango]

It's just Soda could counter almost everything.

[tropic summit]

you wanna have a shot at winning defense, you'll need to run CS% and gimmick oriented teams

[wicked horizon]

Well, yeah, so, not really happening.
Glass cannon it is.

Mate, I'm not using rocks for PvP. Not worth it. Too precious.

[tropic summit]

reasonable, your choice

[swift mango]

nah, just need to gap them 16% with tanky teams.

[wicked horizon]

So I need teams without CS bumping me up a tier.

Like, not sarcastic, if you have better teams, please tell me.

[shell hazel]

Blood can help

he just wants your credit card number first

[swift mango]

Then don't ask why you 1 line OL teams got 20% gap by peep only 20 level above you.

[wicked horizon]

Did I?

[lunar pawn]

Don't worry, surface content will have plenty of rocks to spare

Surely

[shell hazel]

1 rock per week

and we'd better be happy about it 😄

[swift mango]

Nah they would give you a whole 5 rock fragments a day.

[shell hazel]

-# you need 1000 fragments to get a rock

[swift mango]

I hope you got 3% solo raid at least.

[shell hazel]

I was pretty close 🙁

3.33%

my pvp investments bricked my pve haha

but I got m.mast to 10/10/10 so that's something

[wicked horizon]

Been getting 3% last two Solo Raids, thanks for asking.

[swift mango]

You won't be close if you weren't in Global.

[shell hazel]

but I'm in the best server for non-sweaty people 😄

you should re-roll Blood

[swift mango]

Good luck.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-jordan-belfort-leonardo-di-caprio-one-of-us-jonah-hill-gif-5441859

[wicked horizon]

Shuffled some around. Looks good enough ig.

Honestly, Blanc Vesti seems really good, but I'm not sure I want to take Jackal from Scarlet to guarantee that.

[shell hazel]

I really think you can run the scar/trina/rh/xmaiden/jackal comp without issue if you apply some quantums

per #pvp-arena message

[swift mango]

Okay just checked, you are global. Yeah, Solo focus sound easy enough. Should go there.

[shell hazel]

rumani here seems a compromise to me she doesn't add anything

[wicked horizon]

unit order is wrong

RH should be bursting.

[shell hazel]

[wicked horizon]

I just swapped Rumani and XMaiden.
Cindy's team had enough burst gen.

[swift mango]

Yeah, po4n video

[swift mango]

Eon said, her s2 was single target so yeah, basically Dela zero dmg vs biscuit just like RH.

[gritty ridge]

It said it targets the 2 closest to the crosshare doesnt it?

It should target the locked nikke and the one next to em

[swift mango]

It didn't

[gritty ridge]

Wtf shiftup

Ohhh I see where I misread

[sinful copper]

@tropic summit what can beat this team?

[wooden hedge]

what are the best moran and bay teams? bay doesnt have any in pinned and moran teams say not to run them but yesterday someone told me they have good teams

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit rh helmt jackal
or
vestiTU helmt blanc centi jackal

since it's a likely helmT link (water code)

noah biscuit jackal s.anis helmT also will work

[sinful copper]

Ok I’ll give it a shot

Barely lost but closer than before

[wooden hedge]

what are the best moran and bay teams? bay doesnt have any in pinned and moran teams say not to run them but yesterday someone told me they have good teams

[tropic summit]

variation 1: assuming moran linked, nuke resistant, will be 2RL with minimun feed, has good stalling, aims for sniping enemy B3 for then outstalling
variation 2: nuke resistance, very good DPS, has better sustain and can stall (does not run moran)
variation 3: protected p1, has stalling, assumes bay is treasured AND linked for multiple damage sharing, this is a team that aims to hard counter p1 hitters (does not run moran)

[wooden hedge]

thnx also what do you mean by linked?

[tropic summit]

jackal links with the 2 highest atk% units in the team, sharing damage with each others

this can have very good synergy if linked units also have damage reduction or sustain going

typically noise and moran

[wooden hedge]

ah ok

[tropic summit]

variation 4: moran linked, with vestiTU DPS, good anti nuke, can be promoted to 2RL based on matchup, does not have sustain

pick w/e you can run of these 4 and stick with w/e works best with your opponents

[wooden hedge]

can these be ran either defense or attack?

[tropic summit]

attack is based on what you facing

as for defense, these can be used for rookie, for SParena you want to avoid using jackal biscuit and helmt in the same team so they're kinda overcommited

use this variation on SParena, leaves your jackal and biscuit still open

you'll still have noah, jackal, biscuit and blanc open, so make an indom team and an anti nuke with those

[wooden hedge]

also it says no quantum cube does it mean the nikkes dont need the cube?

[tropic summit]

the quantum cube won't help you hit threshold with the above, as it assumes no CS%

assuming you get vesti CS%, you could hit enough rockets to kick you into pseudo 2RL (should be something around 2.2RL)

[opal steppe]

Any teams that can beat this one? Thank you in advance.

[tropic summit]

you could bypass p1 and p2 with splash pressure

[wooden hedge]

so i can give them whichever cube that lets them work?

[tropic summit]

noah jackal biscuit s.anis helmT (s.anis burst lvl 9, no ammo OL)
or
vestiTU helmT blanc centi jackal
or
noah biscuit rh helmT jackal

[wooden hedge]

im having trouble making some other teams since the ones i want/can make need rumani but shes on the first team

what other teams could I make for sp arena?

[tropic summit]

post your current teams and your box, maybe i can help you sort it out

[wooden hedge]

how do I post my box or could saying who i dont have be easier since i have almost everyone except emilia and electric scarlet who are some notable pvp units i dont have

[tropic summit]

box drastically helps having an idea of your invest and your best units

[wooden hedge]

is there a certain way im supposed to post it?

[tropic summit]

as for box, you can post something similar to this, first 4 lines are generally enough

#pvp-arena message

as for the teams just post the 5 units you've assembled in each

[wooden hedge]

i dont have pc nikke so i hope this is good enough

[tropic summit]

they ordered by strength?

for the rest it looks good

[wooden hedge]

yes

[tropic summit]

both moran and bay are fairly down low in terms of investiment

your utilities are also kinda low, centi rumani, noise, jackal, biscuit

will make teams with that in mind

[wooden hedge]

yea im gonna try and invest into them

since im skipping this patches banners i want to invest in to some pvp units

[wicked horizon]

So, keeping P4 and P3 the same (ignoring unit order), would not using Nero and Moran get me better teams, if I used a SAnis team instead?

I can't figure out how to make 3 decent teams with my leftover units.
B1) Jackal, Noise, Rapunzel, Rumani, Red Hood, Mermaid
B2) Biscuit, Noah, Blanc, Bay
B3) Helm, Vesti, Cindy, Laplace, XMaiden, SAnis, Mana

That's technically 17 units.
Vesti, Cindy, and SAnis would take different teams of course, but I can't figure out the teammates.

[tropic summit]

run these 3 for now

sbs blanc rh xmaiden jackal
rouge rumani cindy helmt bay
noah biscuit rrh bsoda noir

raise CP on the following:

-moran, biscuit, centi, jackal, noah, noise, rumani
-wishlist scarlet, trina

get your teams reviewed once CP is fixed so we can boost some speed in some of the teams

rouge will play flex in p1 for now, you'll be running indom SBS on T1 and SG pressure on T3

T2 will be a generic slower nuke resistant team with your own nuke

[wooden hedge]

Like this order?

[tropic summit]

ye looks fine

[tropic summit]

these teams are fine
#pvp-arena message

since you already stated you won't get CS%, these will do

[wicked horizon]

I'm stuck here tbh.
Two steps forward, two steps back.

[tropic summit]

you can't run previous teams?

[wicked horizon]

I can.
Idk, everyone told me it's bad without CS.

[tropic summit]

they're but you can't run better teams without killing one or two of them

you could opt for 3 fast and strong teams with 2 weaker ones

or the current setting that still gives you OK-ish teams but that will suffer against actual strong teams

[dense roost]

Currently running for SP

Blanc VestiTU Bisc xMaid Rumani
Noah Noise (Noise higher CS, incase of Siren) Cindy HelmT Emi
Scar Siren Trina Centi Jackal

Kinda unsure about team 1, any changes? I know there's been some modifications to burst gen on some units but might not be necessary to do any swaps

[tropic summit]

noise higher CS% means you're on noah taunt priority, you sure?

[dense roost]

Ah crap, you're right

[tropic summit]

for the rest teams are overall fine, keep in mind T1 is siren weak and T2 can be denied, they can safely skip T3

nevertheless, if you didn't try these teams yet on def, give it a shot, they're not bad per se

[dense roost]

I was running bsoda/draket/anis/Rosanna/Centi instead of the VestiTU one before for the memes

So might as well test it out

[tropic summit]

oh guess they figured out to use biscuit against that one

[tropic summit]

ye sounds good, give it a shot at least for 24hrs

[gritty ridge]

Do i take this?

[tropic summit]

you need to start with a good stat on line 3

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

empty or trash line 3 is automatic reroll

[gritty ridge]

I havent gotten any

[tropic summit]

also don't bother using rocks before you've at least stocked up 30 or 50

[gritty ridge]

Why? Same results

[tropic summit]

yes and no, it's much more motivating having multiple tries in the same session, also easier to fix lines if you've stock rather than postponing

[shell hazel]

easier also if you stole all my rocks Rail!

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

was there some stage around here that was cheesed? I can't remember but I saw something

[tropic summit]

not me this time, got 0

[tropic summit]

also why the f you already 401

[shell hazel]

I said I was going to 401 😄

[tropic summit]

speedrun any% nikke HM

[shell hazel]

as crazy as it seems I'm not the highest in my SPA even so

[lunar pawn]

who you? 3rd?

[shell hazel]

1st

for now lmao

[tropic summit]

wait a f'*king minute

@shell hazel something happened

we brickin' ultra 🧱

[shell hazel]

nani?

[tropic summit]

my ch1

he's ded?!

https://tenor.com/view/fma-hughes-funeral-sad-gif-21744307

[shell hazel]

waitttttt

a god

[wind kelp]

Oh, a question on League, since it's synced to 400: do things like recycling centre, or the cp boost from synchro 421, 441 etc affect stuff? Or is it just skills, cores, gear, dolls etc?

[shell hazel]

damned minute

[tropic summit]

he's ded

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/hyouka-chitanda-eru-oreki-houtarou-fukube-satoshi-ibara-mayaka-gif-21980466

[tropic summit]

...but all the money he threw on this game???

who's gonna feed SU with more money to give us subpar content?!

oh well maybe he's just on vacation/break

[quartz rover]

The resident evil lovers

[tropic summit]

just invest, skills, gear and cores

obviously research still applies

although there's no CP gapping or level advantage

[wind kelp]

Okie, so no panic to get to 441 😄 Thankies!

"Get more cs% if you can", yeah i know

[shell hazel]

still it's a win - if ch1 is offline 4 days that could be a sign

[lunar pawn]

Will be replaced by an active player in the next shuffle regardless

[spiral onyx]

Ok looks like Mihara hasn't changed

[spiral onyx]

Recycling does apply

[tropic summit]

and surely won't be a whel

[swift mango]

In before he actually died and his ghost won't forgive you.

[swift mango]

I think Mihara bug would make her kill the other team instantly and her HP gauge would be 3-5 time her dmg gauge. Here it look like you just kill them with dots.

And Cindy burst.

[spiral onyx]

Yeah I was wondering if the patch notes changed her to not do the dot

I think I saw the instant kill happen before in CA though

If that's fixed now that's good

[swift mango]

The Mihara bug, I haven't seen it since last season, and maybe the season before that too. I guess it doesn't work anymore.

[spiral onyx]

I'm not a fan of setups that depend on a bug to be viable. But this team uses her as a DoT in a viable way so I'm happy with it even though it's very unconventional

[tropic summit]

he held ch1 for over 12 months, he'll be fine

ironically i'm still gapped anyway gonna have to wait levels

[gritty ridge]

Is the picture limit gone?

[tropic summit]

why? you gonna past the entire book here?

[gritty ridge]

Nah, I saw someone post 7 pics in one message

[swift mango]

Maybe 2 message one after another. Or they had 6 pic merged into 3. Or it's not one this discord