pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

peasant!

[keen vapor]

Some day

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-senju-gif-13079766

[shell hazel]

Echo you must join us

[crimson merlin]

i don't have her

[shell hazel]

[crimson merlin]

[shell hazel]

I need to eat dinner and such, rail back to you

[crimson merlin]

i duno i didn't play when she were out

[shell hazel]

wishlist

[crimson merlin]

let me see

[tropic summit]

ye no worries

[tropic summit]

run this

[gentle dawn]

Any good rookie defense guys?

[tropic summit]

get trina to 4/4/4 R15, 4OL asap and shoud fix that team CP

[shell hazel]

wishlist the core pvp units you'll get them eventually

[tropic summit]

else you can swap laplaceT with noir to get it more CP temporarely

[tropic summit]

here pick your poison

#pvp-arena message

[crimson merlin]

she was not in , i added her

[crimson merlin]

ehh for the skill she is already 4/7/7

[gentle dawn]

Danke

[crimson merlin]

for Ov i can't rn i'm out of gears to lvl up

[crimson merlin]

in RA i can pick one of this 3 team?

anyway ty all of you guys for your help

[tropic summit]

nah for rookie we can consolidate to

run the above for rookie (if blanc tanks your CP run graves instead)

[tropic summit]

you welcome

[gritty ridge]

Is there any different teams i can use here? T1 is a bit rng and I dont like it

[tropic summit]

where's your bready

[gritty ridge]

This team was in deficit a few days ago

Rrh was my only choice, now as you can see im stronger

[tropic summit]

give me a recent box, very doable regardless

[gritty ridge]

Yeah like I said I win 75% of the time

[tropic summit]

you should win 100%

if you win 75% you already doing something wrong

[gritty ridge]

Its the scar s2 rng

[tropic summit]

because you're running feed team

[gritty ridge]

If she high rolls she bursts just a bit too fast

[tropic summit]

you can actually use bready's team here for once

[gritty ridge]

I assume first 4 lines are enough

<@&946725432554836008>

[tropic summit]

oh maybe you can't run bready, CP requirement might be a tad too harsh on her

[gritty ridge]

Bready is like 70k cp

Shes chilling

[tropic summit]

oki show this

we check CP then we move to test who's linked in your T2

i'm assuming jackal bready mmast

[tropic summit]

hmmmm

[gritty ridge]

I cant show cp against him rn, he got knocked below me in the rankings

One of the whales is active rn

[tropic summit]

T1 needs 300k
T2 needs 305k

you're off of a very little in T2

[gritty ridge]

I can swap some cubes around

[tropic summit]

SBS although might screw up your indom

from enemy team

guess we'll have to give up on bready

[gritty ridge]

Rip

Its not like t2 is hard to beat

[tropic summit]

run this for win anyway

i wanted to see ur bready in action but CP aside, SBS RNG is gonna make it inconsistent

[gritty ridge]

My scar wipes with just mmast passive buff too

[tropic summit]

T2 is 305k, give some cubes to hit 306k on the safe side

[gritty ridge]

She is very strong

[tropic summit]

ye anchorIM is flex

use w/e, ensure p5 is linked

you want that juicy marciana feed

[gritty ridge]

Anchor links over siren there

[tropic summit]

aight, if you sub anchor for mmast use whoever is linked in p5 and move siren in p4

you can test that in shooting range if you're unsure

[gritty ridge]

T1 should be no rng tho, right?

[tropic summit]

yes s2 proccs are very low there

all units are non feeders

[gritty ridge]

Thx rail, im surprised youre going noah v noah tho

[tropic summit]

you're not going noah vs noah, you're going antinuke + DPS vs antinuke + nuke

as SR shoot p5, you also going backstab over p1 stall

[gritty ridge]

I see

[shell hazel]

never!

bready 4eva

[tropic summit]

i mean he could try it if he feels lucky

could run vigor on the non linked units and pray for the best

[shell hazel]

no luck needed, just bready

[wind kelp]

Bit of an upgrade on whale, atleast i got all the mechanic etc stuff set up on all 5 teams. Maybe it's time to OL Bestie Frima 😄

[gritty ridge]

Why vigor and not my very strong temper cube

[tropic summit]

sure that works too, anything that keeps your unit from stealing indom

[gritty ridge]

I get lvl 7 temper next ur

[fathom rock]

I rolled 1 cs on centi and suddenly my def is actually working

[tropic summit]

team suddenly 2.5RL

[fathom rock]

From 5% to 10%

[fathom rock]

My team was already 2.5rl with no cs it don't make sense

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-ill-allow-it-allowed-gif-4468552

[gritty ridge]

I feel outyapped with all these red names

[shell hazel]

become red

[tropic summit]

just yap harder

[shell hazel]

send more images it's more yap per time spent

[tropic summit]

iirc images give no xp

he needs to tell us stories of his dumbest/weirdest customers instead

imagine how many words is that

[fathom rock]

Red hippo

[tropic summit]

he joined ♿ team today

[fathom rock]

Def work against 🐳 once

[neon kelp]

I need help beating these teams, Ive been lurking here for defenses but he always beats me

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/red-alert-patrick-stewart-picard-captain-picard-star-trek-gif-14056268774707301522

[fathom rock]

It can be sorted out if you in cp range

I so wanna sg t3

[haughty mortar]

I need to beat this guy in rookie and this team was recommended. I lose with it all the time.

My roster

[glad meteor]

The siren stuns your sbs

[neon kelp]

Im syncho 590 so should be fine he just attacks me everytime even though were both top 4 for CA

[haughty mortar]

Recommendation?

[shell hazel]

enredched indeed

[fathom rock]

Noah biscu cindy helmT rumani vs t1
Scar trina rh centi jack vs t2
Yolo shotgun Vs t3 (optional I just wanna see it happen lmao)

[glad meteor]

I think i gave you that ein team one time?

[haughty mortar]

Yes but that was for another dood. I guess it'd work as well?

[glad meteor]

[fathom rock]

I like how both look like they in deficit

[haughty mortar]

I am 100k down

[neon kelp]

What teams for sg specifically?

[gritty ridge]

There is a total of 9 people in the server that yap more than me

[glad meteor]

How much cp if ein switched to sbs

[fathom rock]

3 dps sg you build rest either more sg or cp pad if it helps you "powercreep" them

[haughty mortar]

7K more

[glad meteor]

Need 468k to avoid deficit

[tropic summit]

T1 noah biscuit cindy helmt rumani
T2 skip
T3 bsoda drakeT naga ros noir
or
T3 jackal scarlet trina clipSG/clipRL laplaceT/emilia

[haughty mortar]

I can swap temperance cube to bastion on Siren?

[tropic summit]

yap harder than them

[haughty mortar]

9k away from your estimate

[fathom rock]

He can literally put jackal p1, fill the rest with helmT + another b1 + cp padder and he would win

[neon kelp]

My goat

[glad meteor]

How much cp

[neon kelp]

Can I also try and to use that for defense?

[fathom rock]

It not so complicated jackal crown sbs rh helmT would beat that

[fathom rock]

I hope not

[fathom rock]

Easy win

[glad meteor]

Hope so

[tropic summit]

le wild mmast

@gritty ridge your virus is spreading

[haughty mortar]

Me love you long time!

How do I beat this

[neon kelp]

I have this for defense, any recommendations to update? Can also be a new defense if you guys want

[tropic summit]

oof bro already running newest meta lineups

although T1 is on the weaker side

[neon kelp]

I told you ive been lurking here for defenses

[gritty ridge]

I used to be top 3, I need to step up my game again

[tropic summit]

[tropic summit]

assemble these and show CP

if no scarlet replace scarlet with ein and trina with blanc

[gritty ridge]

How good is this team in rookie?

[tropic summit]

glass cannon = dead to 2RL noah

[haughty mortar]

MARVELS ASSEMBLE! Why 4 teams?

[tropic summit]

it's 2, your teams are on the left

the right is your opponent

[gritty ridge]

What if im in a monkey bracket

[tropic summit]

105% win ratio

[fathom rock]

YOU'RE TELLING ME I CAN SHOTGUN THE META?

[gritty ridge]

I think im gonna run this for rookie defense

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Fix it then

[tropic summit]

a classic, nikke players can't read

NOT EVEN LE RETRO CAN READ

[fathom rock]

Screw me for reading the first msg before the 2nd one ig

[tropic summit]

we're doomed

[haughty mortar]

What about T3?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[tropic summit]

auto it, don't need to bother

[haughty mortar]

Don't have Cindy and my Rumani is lvl 1

[tropic summit]

post your box

makes it easier to make teams if you don't have all units

[lunar pawn]

winnable?

[tropic summit]

you don't need biscuit with jackal, use a flex

[haughty mortar]

#pvp-arena message

[tropic summit]

jackal vesti helmt blanc flex @lunar pawn

[lunar pawn]

trying to think of a flex that furthers buffs vesti

[tropic summit]

noir gives passive atk

else anything that adds pressure on noah, like drakeT

[lunar pawn]

she'll die though

[tropic summit]

or splashers like emi/laplaceT

or siren to deny noah b2

[lunar pawn]

problem isn't really noah

[tropic summit]

flex should ensure you're at least 97% to 2RL although, so keep it mind

[lunar pawn]

rh buff + thelm makes cindy nearly unkillable

[tropic summit]

i mean you can also double cycle

noah biscuit helmt jackal rh

[gritty ridge]

Hey rail, ive noticed an issue with my comp

Scarlet bursts before my siren stuns

[fathom rock]

Man just noah biscu

[lunar pawn]

that drops me in cp penalty

[tropic summit]

what's ur quantum lvl

[tropic summit]

depends on enemy feed, if they feed you to 1.5RL siren didn't stun yet

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nom-eating-hippo-hippo-baby-gif-15695692171848166518

[haughty mortar]

OVER 9000! Ahmm............4

[tropic summit]

do you've 4 lvl 4 slots?

[fathom rock]

Lv4 is 3

[shell hazel]

I don't think you get 4 slot until level 5

[fathom rock]

Lv6 is 4

[tropic summit]

great

[shell hazel]

Retro fault

[tropic summit]

🧱

[shell hazel]

my whale woke up I put them back to sleep

[lunar pawn]

15k cp short

[haughty mortar]

lvl 6 gives me another slot

[shell hazel]

biscuit stuck on R-15 doll

[tropic summit]

on barely 15 lvl difference

[haughty mortar]

Who should be on Quant duty? Jackal and Biscuit and Centi?

[tropic summit]

you got 2 choices, either get 4 quantum slot and we can use rouge or don't have 4 quantums and we gotta use ur copium noise

[lunar pawn]

16 dupes difference

[shell hazel]

jackal is the best value for quantum imo

[tropic summit]

well he's more f2p than you ||clearly||

[haughty mortar]

As I need 2 levels of quant, 3 slots will need to suffice and Noise will have to do.

[lunar pawn]

[tropic summit]

give that poor noise OL and a vigor cube at least

[glad meteor]

Slow cindy time

[shell hazel]

K

[tropic summit]

cindy blanc midhara biscuit rumani

[shell hazel]

i'm red now

[tropic summit]

but he's probably more deficited with that

we go back to

[glad meteor]

[lunar pawn]

ok biscuit sr5 now
+4k cp

[haughty mortar]

I ain't got the gear fodder for her and she is already donning that cube

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/zygarde-zygarde-core-zygarde-dog-zygarde-10-zygarde-50-gif-13752568276314684816

evolution complete

[glad meteor]

P1 cindy

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/a23-gif-10433102321146277054

[shell hazel]

slow cindy.get()

[tropic summit]

return cat.ded()

#pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

the blanc first version generally worked for me pretty well it's just a re-ordering of the teams though

[shell hazel]

neko shindeiru

[tropic summit]

now post the matchup and we doublecheck CP against enemy CP

[shell hazel]

[shell hazel]

K I won CA for 2nd time that makes me immortal now 🙁

[tropic summit]

aight good to go, go get em

[glad meteor]

congrats. Thats awesome

[shell hazel]

thanks 🙂

I beat tenshi, the terror of our CA haha

[shell hazel]

they won last time and got to finals this time, but I beat them up with a stick

[tropic summit]

what was the score in the end? 4-1?

[glad meteor]

I got the lucky frame, got all bets right finally

[shell hazel]

yeah I got the loser frame so both frames done now

[haughty mortar]

I love you guys!

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

3-2 my scar dies to vesti

[tropic summit]

ripperoni

[ionic horizon]

[glad meteor]

Railtracer 3 pear

[shell hazel]

my sg comp not quite enough to overcome max core noah and crew

[tropic summit]

T3 was auto

[shell hazel]

but I kind of know they need more invest

[glad meteor]

Sasuga whels

[tropic summit]

this sounds like

[shell hazel]

yeah was a bit lol, they had max core vesti and noise as well 😄

[shell hazel]

skill issue? 😄

[haughty mortar]

I was able to beat this guy with my old lineup. Can I do it here?

[tropic summit]

you gonna need to CP pad

[haughty mortar]

Or I guess swap back?

I mean only my T1 is in deficit

[vapid lake]

Red

[ionic horizon]

[tropic summit]

can make a team that is not in deficit against T2 or T3 @haughty mortar

lemme check

[haughty mortar]

Both my T2 and 3 already exceed him

[shell hazel]

could have been I think if sg comp was good, scar died way before b3 sadly. temperance cube as well
I posted the matches here. Stall comp did well though nero died (only death, good sacrifice vs winning)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SazT3r4ZvG8

[ionic horizon]

[tropic summit]

post this matchup

[tropic summit]

vestiTU trivializing things, tell me somethin' new

SU not gonna nerf it anymore at this point

been a while since she's out

[haughty mortar]

can't have RH in 2 teams

[shell hazel]

true though we essentially had opposing matches 1/5

2/4/5 won like I originally thought were more likely, I'll take it 🙂

opponent is a bit of a whale, not insane levels but lots of outfits/cores and such, beating them is a victory of it's own 😄

[tropic summit]

RH in T2 is siren

copy paste funzies

[lunar pawn]

how does this work? how do I know my exact RL speed?

[tropic summit]

look at when your B1 goes off

[shell hazel]

your RL speed is first dot

b1/b2/b3 happen on a delay

this matches the RL speed on nikke deck typically

[lunar pawn]

so is this 2.5rl? somewhere in between 2.5rl and 3rl? no clue how to read this

[shell hazel]

2.5RL yes

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

where that vertical line is, 2.5RL

[lunar pawn]

blue line is 2.5rl?

[shell hazel]

yes

[lunar pawn]

cool

[shell hazel]

the prior dots before it you can hover over

if they're like 98% or 99% you can typically quantum to match them

[lunar pawn]

seems my cp took a nosedive though

[shell hazel]

blue doll rapu

[lunar pawn]

if nero dies in this team, ain't I cooked?

[shell hazel]

cp is cp

nero is fairly tanky main thing is moran b1 going off before opponent b3

[tropic summit]

373k vs 356k = OK
471k vs 473k = OK
the other one just auto it again

[lunar pawn]

what about siren stun on nero?

[shell hazel]

doesn't matter that much

moran b1 > *

[tropic summit]

it actually matters

[gritty ridge]

How much cs do I need on 2rl noah to not get stunned

[tropic summit]

but you need a competent opponent to use it

[shell hazel]

it's going to happen if you run nero p1 and she is your only b2

you'll never outpace siren stun

moran p1 is worse because her being stunned is more detrimental

[tropic summit]

11%CS team wide, use https://nikke.work/

[gritty ridge]

Nikke.work is tiny on mobile, very hard to read

[tropic summit]

this sounds like a YOU problem

[lunar pawn]

which one is more important for nero, s1 or s2

[shell hazel]

I just did both to 10 can't remember which one sounded more important lol

took a while :S

[lunar pawn]

and tempering on nero+moran, vigor on rapu?

[tropic summit]

tempering actually on all 5

you need to ensure they survive buffed nukes

cores also play a bit of a part

[shell hazel]

yup, I used adjutant on helm for CS for now

[tropic summit]

arguably you can let helmT die because rapunzel will revive her

[shell hazel]

rapu seems to res nearest unit which I was surprised about

[tropic summit]

wasn't it based on highest atk%

[shell hazel]

oh is it? I assumed it was earliest unit

or nearer to p1

[swift mango]

I'm done with this shit*y Minigame

[tropic summit]

what i expected from a minigame casual

[shell hazel]

every day is a school day

[tropic summit]

old man reflexes

blood has reached his age unfortunately

[swift mango]

I tried my best to get S finished because of my OCD. I wouldn't have bothered if they didn't lock 2 screenshots behind S rank.

[tropic summit]

they got you good

the mind games

[tropic summit]

i might've forgot pressing spacebar

helmT is screaming at me

[swift mango]

Maybe try maid mast.

[tropic summit]

wowie 5 rocks

i already know the number of rocks for tomorrow then ||0x2||

[swift mango]

And the last one 3.

[lunar pawn]

how does this look? ignore feed numbers

[placid bloom]

team 2 can reach 2RL with 5% cs on Vesti

[lunar pawn]

let me drop that team in nikke work

[placid bloom]

technically it's like 2.1RL even without the cs so it's not a huge deal if you don't want to roll for it

[swift mango]

Without CS it's like 2.3rl.

[placid bloom]

nah it's like 2.1

[lunar pawn]

wasn't this website still a bit iffy with tvesti's CS though?

[tropic summit]

now buy token and let's go ch4 @haughty mortar

or buy two and let's go ch1 straight

[placid bloom]

doesn't matter, Rumani and Centi are the bottleneck

since they have 0cs

[lunar pawn]

yea

[placid bloom]

you just need to be fast enough for Vesti to land 2 rockets

[tropic summit]

looks ok, 2 nuke resistant teams, 1 stun + nuke pressure

[swift mango]

Hard fact here bro. Her 3rd shot came after SG 5th.

[placid bloom]

are we looking at same team

[swift mango]

It's here 2rl value in Nikke.deck being 2.1rl.

[tropic summit]

noway, either 0 or 6, there's noway in between

[swift mango]

This 2.5rl is at her 3rd shoots.

And it's 2.4rl without CS.

[placid bloom]

you only need 2nd rocket to land to reach 100%

not 3rd

[lunar pawn]

is this actually a good team to use here?

[merry knot]

any recommendation to what team to use agaisnt that team?

[tropic summit]

which team?

[swift mango]

Then nikke.deck is fake.

[merry knot]

the IMG marked error had to upload it later

[tropic summit]

oh indom SBS on 2RL

[merry knot]

yup

[placid bloom]

her first rocket land before 2RL you know other RL have to charge 1s, shoot, then charge 1s again and shoot. She charge 2s and shoot right away

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit helmt laplaceT noise to kite it

if your noise is poorly built you can run rapunzel instead

[placid bloom]

VestiT first rocket land at like 1.75RL

2nd rocket land at around 2.1RL

this is assuming no cs at all

5% cs brings 2nd rocket down to 2RL

[merry knot]

mhhh okay i can try that

[tropic summit]

you're stacking on a ton of DR by the time they burst, although blanc will deny moran's DR buff, it should survive it

you should punish that team with 2RL scar-jack although

[lunar pawn]

unsure what to run, was using cindy nuke before but bland sometimes triggers indom, cindy tends to survive despite that but never quite liked how cindy was the last one standing

[tropic summit]

scar trina rh noir jackal

will kill sbs, rapu, emi and biscuit

then you finish off invulnerable blanc

[lunar pawn]

yea, was using jackal vesti blanc vs his cindy nuke though

case in point

[tropic summit]

then rethink teams, you're overcommitting

[lunar pawn]

probably

[tropic summit]

glass cannon in T2

[merry knot]

mhhh i think the CP deficit is to high

[tropic summit]

T3 is punishable aswell, this one although should be easier on your CP

noir is flex unit

[gritty ridge]

So this is siren proof, right?

[tropic summit]

if it's 11CS% wide yes

else it's just natural 2RL, meaning B2 is stunned

[gritty ridge]

How does that work for teams that aren't 5 cs units?

[tropic summit]

or unless you running noise taunt priority

then you're B1 resistant

[placid bloom]

I don't think speed matters if you're running Noah Biscuit into SBS because they cannot get past p1 even if you burst slower, so you can CP pad a bit.

[tropic summit]

at that point although you'd need to run noise in p1

because siren in p3 or p4 or p5 is no longer taunt affected

[tropic summit]

get enough CS% to hit 2RL B2 pre siren stun, as shown in https://nikke-deck.web.app/

stop slacking and use the darn app

[placid bloom]

only issue is if your p2 Biscuit is dying to FB buffed rocket splash

but you can solve that by moving her

[gritty ridge]

Ive tried using it

[tropic summit]

you're not in deficit, minimun need is 1349k

multiply enemy score for 0.846

[merry knot]

i see lets see how it goes

[tropic summit]

you can find the minimun CP need

[placid bloom]

you also shouldn't be running a 2nd taunt if you're doing Noah Biscuit into SBS

[merry knot]

sweet

[placid bloom]

unless you know for sure Noah has taunt prio

[tropic summit]

i already knew he ran noah taunt priority

[merry knot]

i was thinking the same thing but it worked in the end

[tropic summit]

||aside i didn't, yolo||

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

dafuq is liter doing there

[thin perch]

Why do I see Mihara in champion arena so much? What does she do?

[placid bloom]

[gritty ridge]

Beeg atk boost

[placid bloom]

Liter bricking SAnis for fun

[tropic summit]

liter bricks s.anis ya fool @gritty ridge

[gritty ridge]

I know

[placid bloom]

ofc

[tropic summit]

this is why he's not made MA

[gritty ridge]

But shes fun

[tropic summit]

gonna have to repeat the year

[gritty ridge]

Im allowed to be bad myself, I just cant reccomend other people bad things

[tropic summit]

stop sounding smart

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

although that was a bit smart

[gritty ridge]

Btw if I say, ran sanis with liter and priv... would priv cancel out liters ammo buff?

[tropic summit]

if would kill your speed

don't run that garbo

[gritty ridge]

I wanna make confusing and mesmerizing comps

[shell hazel]

Bigboi! no!

[tropic summit]

your opponent just gonna run scarlet and call it a day

below what happens to your s.anis liter privaty

https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-raiders-of-the-lost-ark-duel-sword-gun-gif-2799924675001588725

[shell hazel]

Bigboi open these for me

we have candy inside maybe

[gritty ridge]

[tropic summit]

that's a lot of belortas

[shell hazel]

man I need SSR belorta so I can channel into something useful

[tropic summit]

still ded to scarlet because your B1 is not a DR or HP+ B1

[gritty ridge]

Rip

[shell hazel]

what is priv doing here?

[tropic summit]

in fact with that much feed you'd get em to 1.5RL-1.8RL depending on what they runnin'

[gritty ridge]

Unbricking the brick that liter givs

[shell hazel]

counter 🧱 ?

[tropic summit]

just use liter in 3RL generic teams if you've to

works ok with nukers

ein, scarlet, cindy

[shell hazel]

liter aight with scar 2RL for flex if you're lacking RH/ros

[gritty ridge]

Redhood is better, but theres only 1 of her

Cindy gets a massive boost from noise, scar can have redhood, that leaves a 3rd nuke wanting a buff

[tropic summit]

budget scar-trina

[gritty ridge]

Btw where should soda go on my invest prio?

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/liter-nikke-goddess-of-victory-gif-27631948

[tropic summit]

that's a CA unit, SParena more of a meme

[lunar pawn]

worked pretty well, still gotta think of a good 3rd team to win all 3 just in case thanks

[gritty ridge]

I planned to invest her after my batteries

[placid bloom]

you might as well use Miranda if you're gonna use bad chars why else would you C7 her

[shell hazel]

mainly CA shenanigans I think

[gritty ridge]

Cuz shes pretty in my profile

[shell hazel]

bear in mind soda scar lost to my slow cindy

where my double buff scar beat opponent slow cindy

[gritty ridge]

Soda scar loses to slow cindy, but should beat noah cindy

[shell hazel]

whole reason I won that one lol

[placid bloom]

nobody runs Noah Cindy unless they can't build Vesti

[gritty ridge]

Im in baby bracket

We get all kinds of teams

[shell hazel]

some of the weirdest teams existing in the earlier CA's 😄

I kind of miss em

[gritty ridge]

I have to win with bready before im kicked from baby bracket

[shell hazel]

bready got this

[gritty ridge]

Can't run slow cindy without blanc tho

[shell hazel]

almost fully bayonara time

[gritty ridge]

So i think im gonna go for a normal win first then run bready indom

[gritty ridge]

Smh I already have 160 of her mats

Im working on tove rn

[lunar pawn]

nice

[shell hazel]

yeah I was doing the poli ones for a bit

I switched as I needed bayonara for scar 2RL

[gritty ridge]

Im not building poli tbh, theres no room for her

[lunar pawn]

my poli is almost maxed but I switched to julia mats missions

[gritty ridge]

I have x.anne so theres no reason to use her on sg team

[shell hazel]

yeah xanne unbuilt on my sg team 😄

[gritty ridge]

I also have a very beefy manchor

[shell hazel]

she's good though did some revives and such

i'll SR-5 xanne and give her some OL's at least eventually

[gritty ridge]

Ill use manchor until I get x.anne built probably

[shell hazel]

I don't think I want to dupe her though, she seems OK on 0LB

[gritty ridge]

And thats why you don't have 10 ca wins

[shell hazel]

smh

[untold tapir]

I have no idea how I should build my Arena Teams... what should they look like?

rn my teams look like...

[shell hazel]

liter p1 💀

[lunar pawn]

my liter is up there too

[shell hazel]

I mean team position p1

nothing like putting your only b1 at p1 and hoping she doesn't die 😄

[lunar pawn]

believe in the yellow gremlin

also, chime when

[shell hazel]

[lunar pawn]

[shell hazel]

[untold tapir]

So then how should I organize the teams?

[shell hazel]

well firstly, do you know what biscuit does?

or why she's good, I feel like you've thrown her into a team without knowing why she may or may not work

[tropic summit]

don't worry hippo talks from experience

nothing beats a pepper p1 on blue doll as solo B1

[shell hazel]

[tropic summit]

either way i'm gonna get dressed then take a look, just got out of the shower with @swift mango's emilia

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/emilia-re-zero-gif-21336385

[untold tapir]

Yeah don't know why

[untold tapir]

thx

[shell hazel]

alright so this isn't a 5 min topic

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/yandere-emilia-rezero-rezero-emilia-emilia-rezero-season-2-gif-15737158401026894552

[shell hazel]

but .... every unit has diff burst gen right? some are pvp meta because they have great burst gen

jackal and rumani are the best burst gen b1's in the game

helmT is the best b3 I think even including emilia

[gritty ridge]

I think 25% emi has more gen

[shell hazel]

so your pvp teams should generally be a mix of core pvp burst gen units + you can run some of your more pve focused dps

you can't really run the pvp units unbuilt though you trash your combat power

so you do need to work on them a bit to make them usable

in pvp 15% cp deficit = death more or less, and only gets worse as it gets lower

consequently before you add a pvp meta unit in to your teams they should have cp approaching 80-100% of your usual pve units first

outside of this, pvp teams live and die by burst speed and positioning

[untold tapir]

My usual PVE is Crown/Liter/RRH/Alice/HelmT

[shell hazel]

we measure burst speed on RL "time it takes for a RL unit to fire 1 rocket" type speeds

2RL is quick. 3RL is moderate. 4RL or more is slow

your main pve team in RL speed = 4RL

and tbh most of this is HelmT carry 😄

[tropic summit]

@gritty ridge that's how you get red name aswell

[shell hazel]

yeah you need to yap more to MA bigboi

[untold tapir]

What does RL stand for?

[shell hazel]

time it takes for a RL unit to fire 1 rocket

about 1 second per rocket or so

[lunar pawn]

is nero reaching like 60% dmg reduction before anyone bursts in her usual team? is that right?

[gritty ridge]

Rail is this 2rl

[shell hazel]

biscuit works well with defenders specifically

if a defender takes damage biscuit makes them immune for a few seconds

so actually if you run biscuit and don't have anything amazing, then at least this makes crown hard to kill

stuff shoots at crown, biscuit makes crown immune

[gritty ridge]

[shell hazel]

the team you put biscuit on has no defenders and therefore her skills do nothing

[untold tapir]

So what sort of teams should I shoot for in pvp?

[shell hazel]

synchro rumani step 1

invest in jackal + rumani step 2

4/4/4 skills
SR-5 dolls
basic overloads (get gear to +0 then add a rock)

invest in devil child step 3

SR-15
4/10/10
basic overloads (get gear to +0 then add a rock)

[tropic summit]

naga centi cindy helmt liter
sbs blanc drake raven jackal
crown biscuit bsoda tove noir

rumani, laplace can go back to synchro, you can also finish lapT treasure
viper could be used down the line, although not core atm

• invest asap in trina, biscuit, centi, jackal, noise, these units want more CP as they'll be core to your teams
• get teams reviewed once those are ready
• wishlist noah, RH

[shell hazel]

pvp invest is a lot of resources

wishlist Noah

[untold tapir]

thx

How would I make a team with VestiTU?

[shell hazel]

swaps for SBS

[tropic summit]

start fixing your utilities, she can fit although instead of cindy or of SBS

[shell hazel]

at this time you're basically building hybrid teams

which are mix of your built pve units + some pvp ones

[gritty ridge]

Hey rail

How do I counter 2.5rl vesti

[tropic summit]

Hey son

[tropic summit]

you either have rosanna and SG team, or a slower indom team on same speed or you kite with slow cindy

an option is obviously to skip it if you lack the tools

[gritty ridge]

So basically, I cannot

Unless I bready indom

[untold tapir]

Huh, thought raven was a bad pvp unit.

[shell hazel]

she's not great

[tropic summit]

she is, she's being used as flex

[shell hazel]

but you need to keep cp high to not get gapped

this is what I mean by the hybrid thing

[gritty ridge]

I guesstimated the speed, I think they're actually 3rl

[untold tapir]

Why not swap with Alice as isn't she better?

[tropic summit]

this is a different opponent than earlier?

[tropic summit]

tanks speed

[shell hazel]

alice is pretty slow in pvp

[gritty ridge]

Yeah, I just havent changed team yet

[glad meteor]

Bay skin

[tropic summit]

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/hxh-hunter-x-hunter-2011-yoshihiro-togashi-gon-gif-16736441875297258786

[tropic summit]

curious how you spotted it straight away

[glad meteor]

Gon but 2 os

[tropic summit]

so uh let's see

[shell hazel]

I'd never have bay skin

[gritty ridge]

What abt it

[shell hazel]

that's my skin

[tropic summit]

oh this is abusable

link box i'm too lazy to scroll

[gritty ridge]

T3 should be easy enough with a decent indom team

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-deniz-deniz-gif-23653159

[gritty ridge]

Bready doesnt have enough ammo to work

[shell hazel]

in my pg-13 game

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/chika-lenny-face-eyebrow-raise-kaguya-sama-love-is-war-gif-16096785

[untold tapir]

How about main team for Rookie Arena?

[tropic summit]

set your indom bready in T1, T2 just show CP instead (show both to get reference on CP although)

[tropic summit]

run this

jackal crown cindy helmt drake

[untold tapir]

thx

[tropic summit]

gonna need to tweak bread's team

[gritty ridge]

Im confused by centi in p1

[tropic summit]

as for the RH team we can scrap that and move to their T3

[tropic summit]

you put it against the wrong team so ofc you're confused

[gritty ridge]

Yeah I just realized

[tropic summit]

look again once you see who it is against and you'll realize why

[gritty ridge]

Yeah you were saying against the siren team

[tropic summit]

either way CP gonna force our hands so

[gritty ridge]

At least both teams are over 300k

[tropic summit]

we need

T1 331k
T2 345k
T3 330k

realistically, T2 is the easiest, but needs speed

T1 is doable, T3 needs speed

[gritty ridge]

Im investing in my batteries, fodder is just so slpw

I get a piece overloaded every 2.5 days

[untold tapir]

thx

[gritty ridge]

Rail you want my blabla link?

[tropic summit]

no

the issue is that all of your flex are bad burst gen

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

mirandaT instead of laplaceT is a huge brick to carry

[gritty ridge]

I dont even have enough dupes for laplace

I also just got her like a week ago

[tropic summit]

show CP for reference

slow cindy option is getting very real soon

[gritty ridge]

Manchor doesnt work btw

She doesnt buff distributed til 2nd burst

[tropic summit]

that's fine it's glass cannon team

[shell hazel]

slightly in deficit on t1 also

[tropic summit]

you only need to hit indom

lack of flex burst gen is a problem for real with this box

[gritty ridge]

Bready will be on default no dmg mode, are you sure?

[shell hazel]

they have no sustain I suppose

[swift mango]

Yes, and the 2rl value in Nikke.deck is at her 2nd shot.

[tropic summit]

the only issue is that bready even feeds

[shell hazel]

are you calling bready fat?

[tropic summit]

and ofc CP remains an issue

[swift mango]

Bready feeds me bread

[gritty ridge]

I can fix that with temper cube im pretty sure

[tropic summit]

i dunno we're still 🧱 on CP

T1 is 20k off, T2 is kinda ready

biscuit noah and trina are tanking CP

but they're also core to hit at least 3RL

[tropic summit]

k T2 is out of deficit

[placid bloom]

no, deck only has value for 1 shot because it goes straight to 3 shot for 2.5RL. It skips 2nd shot

[gritty ridge]

Noah is gonna get rerolled lines first out of my batteries, she got terrible initial rolls

7/12 lines

[placid bloom]

2RL on work is also 94.65% burst gauge

deck doesn't account for anything between exact 2 and 2.5

[shell hazel]

yeah that actually makes sense

[zinc scroll]

whats the meta teams right now at the moment

[swift mango]

Deck used value at 1st shot once during it's early days. It's 2nd shot now.

Vesti gen around 5.5 per hit. Just math bro. It's not rocket science.

3rl value is her 4th hit, just devide it by 4.

[placid bloom]

no it's only 3 shot, if it was 4 shot she would already be charging by 3RL

you wouldn't have an extra shot worth of gen between 2.5 and 3

[tropic summit]

check pins

[tropic summit]

nope i can't see 2 winning teams atm

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

get your utiltiies up and you could

[gritty ridge]

Noah is a disgrace

[tropic summit]

you badly need a flex clip SG burst gen tier unit

bsoda/drake/laplace

[gritty ridge]

Im working on treasuring drake rn

[swift mango]

Okay, he changed it back to 5.8 2rl. Darn he switched it twice now.

Mb

[tropic summit]

that'd help

[gritty ridge]

Shes just not cooperative

"Villains never super success"

But yeah rn im dumping doll mats into drake, fodder into trina, and rocks into scar

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-frieren-sceptic-sceptical-sarcasm-gif-16703212457184659146

[tropic summit]

i highly advise noah and biscuit first

focus on the core units

realistically your attack teams patterns:

those flex spots would be clip SG burst gen (drakeT) and flex B1 (situationally it could be RH)

[gritty ridge]

Whats wrong with biscuit

[tropic summit]

did you roll for vestiTU btw or you skipped?

[gritty ridge]

Like do I have her?

[zinc scroll]

thanks

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna bone her next coop

[tropic summit]

oh ok there's hope

[gritty ridge]

Yeah shes my next rock dump after scar stats are ideal

You can assume if a unit is limited or pvp meta i have it

As long as its appeared in my play timeframe

[glad meteor]

I thought you were pvp gon, still not OL

[gritty ridge]

Bro im working on it

[tropic summit]

he is carrying a lot of bricks

[gritty ridge]

I didnt brick my pve progress to be early to pvp

[tropic summit]

namely bready and mirandaT

[glad meteor]

I had my rosa invested early sync

[tropic summit]

but he can still save himself with these

[gritty ridge]

Theres a reason im further in progression than anyone else my sync

[tropic summit]

the above @gritty ridge will be making your path upward way easier

[gritty ridge]

I dont have sbs. If I didnt invest bready I would still be stuck on snake

[tropic summit]

yeh i guess you had your hands forced

RNG didn't bless you

[gritty ridge]

And i was the lowest clear on snake

So i wasnt there for long

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/mai-sakurajima-sakuta-anime-pat-gif-22595893

you've seen things...

[gritty ridge]

Its not even close between me and the 2nd lowest clear

Im 10k+ lower iirc

And much much lower sync

They did not have to struggle like I did

Lova, the rank 1 in my spa is a good example of bricking pve for pvp

[tropic summit]

might be a smurf account

got a few in my bracket, mostly chinnits

chinese love to buy/sell accounts afterall, all business to them

[gritty ridge]

Nah he's the one I talk to

[tropic summit]

the oddity

[gritty ridge]

In a sister union

Im in creme pie he's in key lime

Im actually pretty happy with blancs power

Her overloads came out good

[glad meteor]

My blanc has 12/13 t11 lines

Only 4 rocks spent

[gritty ridge]

13

[glad meteor]

If I sr15 her powah would be crazy

[glad meteor]

12/12

[umbral crown]

Cuz 💳

The reason:

[gritty ridge]

I disagree

[crystal flicker]

Sister union is a sweet way to say "Situational Foods"

[gritty ridge]

You may notice that I am always lower sync than everyone in my bracket

A lucky f2p could be as far as me if they just try harded

[dim sapphire]

And get lucky no top 4 whaling in sp arena for chance in ca

[digital rivet]

which dolls should I SR 15 first

trina, noah, biscuit?

[dim sapphire]

Def>atk>support for sr dolls pvp focus

[digital rivet]

so noah -> rumani -> centi -> moran?

[gritty ridge]

Wdym, I have whales all over my top 10

[dim sapphire]

Whaling for coredust

[dim sapphire]

Focus on dolls who is in position 1 that would be atked first

Actually

[gritty ridge]

Do you not see the 2 sync 300+ and the 299

The sync 285 also buys dust

[swift mango]

Better bricking PvE for PvP than bricking both.

[gritty ridge]

Who bricked both?

My pve is set until hardmode mc

[dim sapphire]

What about those ppl buying arena chips

[swift mango]

Who knows

[gritty ridge]

I bullied them out of the game unfortunately

[dim sapphire]

Pattymel is doing something wrong with these cp lol

Dafuq

[gritty ridge]

My old competitor for 4th place quit the game

[gritty ridge]

Hes the 1 person I dont even take potshots at

[swift mango]

There is lowest in 1 day, 1 month, all times. And there is lower in the union.

Lowest in 1 day is pretty easy.

Same to lowest in union.

[gritty ridge]

Blood why do you try to booly my achievement

[swift mango]

I just explain to him that your should speak the trust

[gritty ridge]

I have the lowest snake clear in all time NA

[swift mango]

[gritty ridge]

I could definitely beat it lower now, but not by much

[umbral crown]

thats me

[gritty ridge]

I think 345k ish is abt the lowest I could clear

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Glad it's not me.

[gritty ridge]

And thats only if I had a ridiculous bready

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

Bready husband.

[gritty ridge]

My bready is only 80 ele 20 atk

[umbral crown]

but what about miranda

[gritty ridge]

My miranda is c7

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

mine not

[swift mango]

I'm one core always from maxing DKW. D's husband soon.

[umbral crown]

blood gonna get that miranda to play on CA next season

[gritty ridge]

If miranda had a caster attack buff shed be so strong

[swift mango]

Next season I'm not using Miranda, would next next season

[umbral crown]

then the season after

[swift mango]

It is then🫃

[umbral crown]

S14

[swift mango]

Really wished Ada was looking like this.

Guess it's too high quality for SU.

[umbral crown]

too mature for this game

i ike the way she is now, hoping she has a pvp kit

[swift mango]

Well, she is DKW 2.0 so maybe not.

[umbral crown]

[gritty ridge]

A new pvp battery would be nice, are the weapons revealed yet,

[umbral crown]

i feel she could be rl

[swift mango]

Would be neat if they made B1 SSR Collab unit for once.

[swift mango]

Or a sniper because crossbow

[umbral crown]

that makes sense

[swift mango]

I wish Clare would be that clip SG defender finally.

We only lack that kind of common burst gen unit. That's b1-2

My wish for defender b1-2 with Clip SG gen would never come true I guess.

[glad meteor]

Claire

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

Such good memory. I'm sure you would be able to continue the Redfield bloodline.

[glad meteor]

I checked the prydwen nikke news channel just to double check lol

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[covert lintel]

No, stop it
I haven't properly built vesti stat yet

[umbral crown]

Im onna do the nekoworki way

Im starting to save everything for the moment they say: we gonna rerun re zero collab , we going to give the chance to yonexxi to get emi gacha skin

[keen vapor]

Emi

[umbral crown]

And ou not gonna c7 emi

[keen vapor]

Bc I'll core 7 Ikaros instead :pepeh:

[umbral crown]

ends up with mlb at much

[quartz rover]

I'M JUST BETTER

3rl woke

[umbral crown]

[short plaza]

which nikkes would work with Moran and Nero?

[placid bloom]

Ada is RL

[short plaza]

hell yeah

[quartz rover]

5.4%

Claire is an Sr

How's this vesti piece btw?

[umbral crown]

Helm, rapunzel, x maiden, quiry , laplaceT

[quartz rover]

Its the ol that was given when I awakened the t9m

[keen vapor]

Easy lobby

[short plaza]

aside from helm I have none of these nikkes built damn

[umbral crown]

Take your time to build them

[short plaza]

I also don't have Rapunzel or X maiden, maybe there's an alternative or something?

[umbral crown]

@swift mango i was right

[quartz rover]

Burst crossbow seems like an odd weapon

[umbral crown]

Mana could be

[quartz rover]

Wonder if she'll have weird burst gen like the sr nier guy

[umbral crown]

Mana laplace

[short plaza]

actually that's more achievable for me, so Moran Nero mana Laplace and who else?

[umbral crown]

Helm

[quartz rover]

Mana and rapunzel are there for the revives I guess

Helm is for burst gen

[umbral crown]

Nero/Moran/HelmT/Mana/LaplaceT would be the order

[quartz rover]

Why is laplace there

[umbral crown]

Sub dps

[quartz rover]

Idk what she does other than cant cover during burst and loves doors in walls

https://tenor.com/view/laplace-nikke-running-window-hero-gif-10705365235044371178

[short plaza]

moran would be tanky enough to survive til burst right?

[umbral crown]

Does not really matters she does not take cover during burst in pvp

[umbral crown]

Of course

[umbral crown]

[quartz rover]

So cool

[umbral crown]

[quartz rover]

Idk who I should treasure after bay

[umbral crown]

Helm, laplace

[short plaza]

sweet if I can obtain Moran and build all them I'd finally have 3 competent teams

[quartz rover]

I've got drake, helm

Tove

[umbral crown]

Excellent, go for it

[umbral crown]

Where your laplace

[quartz rover]

I dont even have her

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

waos , missing the hero

[quartz rover]

I only like villains

[umbral crown]

[quartz rover]

https://tenor.com/view/phineas-and-ferb-evil-plan-villian-dr-heinz-doofenshmirtz-let-me-show-you-my-evil-plan-gif-15622445

[umbral crown]

Jill gonna be SG trust

[vapid lake]

Nah

[umbral crown]

Thats a RL

it just look like tias weapon

[covert lintel]

Laplace's rival

[umbral crown]

What if ada is emi 2.0

[keen vapor]

What if low explosion radius but still clip

[umbral crown]

Vesti emi ada blanc red hood

[umbral crown]

Then we pull

[coarse lake]

considering it's crossbow

it could be low explosion, even if it's exploding bolt

[frank zephyr]

@gritty ridge Friend needs an SPA defense chef. He went to bed at C2 and woke up at D1

I told him to start respecting some of his PvP units and at least get some R15 dolls for CP pad

[gritty ridge]

How do you make c2 if the diamond players can even win against you

[frank zephyr]

I think his teams were trash but he was just out of range to hit. Once he dropped into the water he got torn to shreds

[gritty ridge]

Im guessing after naga everything trash cp?

[frank zephyr]

4/4/4 at best

[gritty ridge]

Jackal indom is a no go

The humble bad teams

[frank zephyr]

Where da Scarlet Trina team at :^). He could invest into them

[gritty ridge]

This is off his current invests

Scar trina needs a scar that links with jackal

[leaden canyon]

scar trina centi flex jackal should work out

[frank zephyr]

I'm sure he has doll exp and skill mats. He's at 200+ sync and only invested the first 6 units in his roster past skill 4, other than DKW at 4/7/4

[gritty ridge]

It would but it would be atrocious cp

[leaden canyon]

at least its a third team that doesn't take away from his current stuff

scar rapunzel trina centi jackal

oh wait you got rapunzel on the other team

[gritty ridge]

Yeah ive got rapu for the no bisc no jackal indom

[frank zephyr]

He can just R15 the Scarlet doll, it's already on her

[leaden canyon]

scar cindy trina centi jackal

on hit still hitting twice in arena?

[gritty ridge]

If you want teams to invest into, these 2 are meta atm

[leaden canyon]

I saw that mihara team floating around

what's with that

[gritty ridge]

Counters 2rl noah, single buff scar

[frank zephyr]

I sent him both

[gritty ridge]

As long as rumani bursts slow cindy wins basically

She needs to survive a total of 1 hit

[leaden canyon]

is it more of an attack team or is that an actual defense team

[gritty ridge]

Its win rate atm is very high for both attack and defense

[leaden canyon]

time to go try because nothing else i do works

me and this guy know each others tricks

[gritty ridge]

The key to that team is its slow tho

Too much cs on rumani would kill it

[frank zephyr]

His units are too low-invest to work

[gritty ridge]

[frank zephyr]

Competitors are like 160k

[gritty ridge]

That power is very unideal for that sync, whats team 2 cp like?

[frank zephyr]

This one should work but only because it's his campaign units

Other than Biscuit obviously

[gritty ridge]

Yeah that seems about right, he needs to invest his pvp units

[frank zephyr]

Invest into PvP or just CP gap

My alt

[gritty ridge]

My main

Dont mind me gemming lova, I use him to test team comps

C6 is the lowest i can go to

[leaden canyon]

so hood version is doing better than Rosanna?

[frank zephyr]

He doesn't have 2 RL dolls so he wants to SR0 his Jackal

I said please don't

[leaden canyon]

or does a Rosanna mirror just kill the hood version

[frank zephyr]

That's some crazy ranking ping pong

[gritty ridge]

Rosanna, soda, and rh versions are basically pick your favorite

Theyre all good

[leaden canyon]

I still have yet to build soda lmao

I just use siren

[gritty ridge]

They seem to know exactly when I fall asleep lmao

[gritty ridge]

Siren is alright, my issue with her is that she may not stun noah depending on how fast your opponent is whereas soda will always stun noah

Tho with noah vesti becoming the new standard scar rosa may outperform

Scar rosa counters vesti, scar soda counters noah cindy, scar rh counters slow cindy

[leaden canyon]

CA champion won with this team lmao

won against 2RL scar soda

[gritty ridge]

Moran tanked and helm nuked jackal right?

[leaden canyon]

you know what I'll record it

But soda stunned helm and anchor

oh thats why

soda p4

[gritty ridge]

Ohhh

If soda was in p2 she wouldve stunned noah

[coarse lake]

still chance to win if moran bursts

[gritty ridge]

Yeah thats what I originally thought happened

[leaden canyon]

yeah I'll record it because its kinda interesting to watch

[keen vapor]

Will Claire be another Pascal?

[gritty ridge]

There can never be another pascal

[coarse lake]

nah most likely regular mag rl

with some dumbass kit like increasing team true dmg dealt by 5%, decrease the atk of enemies hit by 5%

[gritty ridge]

This feels targeted

[gritty ridge]

Rh tanked

[coarse lake]

nah moran didn't even burst in time

scar simply couldn't kill rh

[gritty ridge]

Their scar is missing attack

[leaden canyon]

My scar has 1 attack line lmao

[gritty ridge]

Rip scar

[leaden canyon]

but she has lots of ele damage

and two black ammo lines

[coarse lake]

extra rip

[gritty ridge]

My scar is 4 atk 3 crit rate rn

[leaden canyon]

I might as well just roll that off eventually since she wants to have low ammo in pvp right?

[gritty ridge]

Im fishing for the last crit rate and 1 ammo line

[gritty ridge]

Between 50% and 60% ammo

[leaden canyon]

I think if she has 20 ammo she can dodge helm attack right?

it was to dodge somebodies attack

[gritty ridge]

Siren stun

[leaden canyon]

ah that