pvp-arena

[mystic rain]

no stun no burst

u jus need to burst urself

u can also beat his team 1 with the good ol scar trina jackal comp

just make sure ur scar has less than 30 ammo so she can dodge siren stun timing

MG + SG will feed a LOT into scar jackal

then it just a matter of dps if ur scar can actually nuke them

at deficit

but tbh a proper scar invested with trina and redhood buff can nuke most cp teams at 20% deficit

only team that can counter it is noise b1 or noah b2

[tropic summit]

it was a good shot to run rosanna, as she generally counters links, as for cindy team it only needs CP to not be hit by deficit then you'd be fine, the problem just lies there.

[gritty ridge]

How did my siren stun theirs before noah got stunned

[mystic rain]

thats the first ive seen someone stun enemy siren to protect noah

ig that's one way to protect noah from getting stunnned XDD

[gritty ridge]

I was mainly using noah cuz shes one of my strongest defenders but her bursting was a nice plus

[covert lintel]

That's why rosanna should be meta sss for pvp

[strong hull]

Cook look insane

[leaden canyon]

Unfortunately she has black lines of ammo

but my scar never lives against the round 1 team

just too much hurt

[swift mango]

On death, not when revived.

[mystic rain]

even with jackal link and trina s2 ur scar doesnt live till 2RL b3?

[leaden canyon]

well in a 2RL she would live but without hood buff I dont think she kills the enemy team

because the team is at a bad deficit

[gaunt bane]

Lost to this team before but with 3RL. I run 2.5RL now, think can outspeed their noah?

[shell hazel]

biscuit will make them immune

noah and cindy

you need to kill liter before they b1

[gaunt bane]

Thats the plan, i wonder if I can even do that

[shell hazel]

if you're quick enough then yes maybe, but it's more about preventing liter from bursting than out-speeding noah here

you'll get extra burst gen due to cindy p1

[swift mango]

It's already 2rl, idk about your former team but it should be 2rl too. You already outspeed them, just biscuit tank the 2 defender.

And you couldn't kill Litter in Vesti first shot so ended with a lose. Could try to add more buffer or aoe DPS like lapT.

[swift mango]

It's not hard getting to 2rl with all that feeds from there team 1-3. You could move a more tanky linked unit to p1 instead of scarlet too.

Start CP pad your units, that's proper arena strategy. Always go for 3 lines even if the extra line suck and waste 2-6 of your rock.

[crystal flicker]

I already told you

Join the CS cult

[shell hazel]

ok so hear me out....

your siren is closer to their siren than their siren is to your noah

so whilst in theory both sirens should work at the same moment, you beat them in a race condition

unsure if repeatable

[thin perch]

What is the charge speed increase required on OL for any RL to get a speed boost?

17% OL?

[shell hazel]

it is more complicated than that

in reality you want all your batteries to be at similar CS % to eachother imo

if you run with 3 batteries and 1 has 17% and the others have 0%, they may make no impact

in such a case you'd probably be better off with all 3 batteries at 5%, or 10%

[proud raft]

What beats this team?

[tulip quest]

`blanc vesti can

blanc 1 man army team

[proud raft]

Well I don't have vesti and surely ppl beat this comp before vesti came out?

[tulip quest]

can blanc with carry

or copy that team

with S Anis

instead

[heavy copper]

hi guys, can someone help me 3team for attack in sp arena pls, the nikke with level 1 is ok i will bring them to the syc

[proud raft]

i don't have noah either, unfortunately

I thought about running s. anis to bypass the biscuit invulnerability, but it always turns out that the biscuit invul outlasts my blanc invul

and if i delay my burst any further i get wiped by cindy's burst

[glad meteor]

Tried scar trina rh centi jackal?

[tulip quest]

scar gets stunned

[glad meteor]

Oh ammo

[proud raft]

not yet, but i suspected that scarlet can't one shot

[tulip quest]

can put jackal p1 tho

[glad meteor]

Liter trina scar centi jackal

Liter linked to jackal?

That team looks slow. They shouldn’t burst

Liter need to be linked to jackal though

[proud raft]

can i get a link to that tool?

[tulip quest]

sure

[glad meteor]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[tulip quest]

nikke deck

[proud raft]

thanks

[tulip quest]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[tulip quest]

Can put Red Hood instead?

cause she just gets stunned afterwards

then trina scarlet boom

[proud raft]

is there a shorthand for calculating when siren's stun kicks in? like it kicks in at 2.5rl or something?

[tulip quest]

it hits P2

[glad meteor]

Rh might b2

[tulip quest]

It hits before B2 2RL

[tulip quest]

yEA RISKY

[proud raft]

does trina's burst contrib anything for scarlet burst besides 18% atk dmg?

[tulip quest]

I mean 2RL Time hits 2nd Nikke to burst in P1 position

[glad meteor]

Faster, can use this I guess

https://nikke.work/

[tulip quest]

Trina burst damage + Scarlet more than that

[glad meteor]

Check s2

[proud raft]

oh, that's a lot

well my liter actually does link in that comp, i am gonna try it and report back

yep worked, liter bursted then got stunned

question: when i replicate the comp in the deck, mine shows up as 2.5 rl?

[shell hazel]

jackal feed

[glad meteor]

Weird. We have same team. But it doesn’t matter much in practice

[glad meteor]

Nikke deck doesn’t include feed

[shell hazel]

plus quantum on jackal usually

[proud raft]

I mean I ran the team in game and the results check out. Not sure why deck would behave like this?

[shell hazel]

hmm no quantums or anything lol weird

[proud raft]

tested it on chrome, it shows up as 2rl

but i use firefox as my browser normally, that's why

[shell hazel]

would be weird if there was a browser issue but I don't have firefox

[proud raft]

maybe someone can report this bug to the dev?

[shell hazel]

edge is fine

maybe someone else with firefox can test it

[runic coral]

team to beat this guy?

[proud raft]

i think this strongly implies all chromium based browsers are fine

just the good old firefox special i guess

[shell hazel]

might be a rounding error only in firefox

but if someone else can repro it as well we'd have a better shot of it being fixed 😄

[shell hazel]

you built besti?

[runic coral]

nope unfortunately

[shell hazel]

do you have besti?

[runic coral]

I do but I won't build her atm

[shell hazel]

build her

https://tenor.com/view/shes-not-moving-gif-26527458

[proud raft]

i have a hard time beating another besti team atm as well, but i am scared

[runic coral]

I'm raid focused type a guy 😔

[proud raft]

not enough resources to feed the two bunnies, and the re collab, then the anni pilgrims

i have the pulls and tickets to spare, just not resources to invest after pulling her

[shell hazel]

we can siren stun that noah on the cindy team

[runic coral]

I think my scarlet can oneshot before noah bursts, not 100% sure

[shell hazel]

if that works just use that, if not then you could run a similar comp but siren their noah

similar speed, your noah actually does something, they b2 with biscuit due to noah stun

[glad meteor]

Enemy is trina bursting in blanc team

[runic coral]

wait you're right, I didn't even think about it

[shell hazel]

it's also in a weird spot where it's not quite 2RL

[glad meteor]

Just get lucky with scar s2 and quantum ez

[shell hazel]

you can just cope bay 2RL that anyway, or run your own indom

if your scar 2RL beats their cindy team reliably, then you can 2RL noah it

[shell hazel]

blanc/scar are AR so might tip it over to 2RL with some quantums haha

or close enough anyway

[runic coral]

okay so my scar isn't enough to oneshot their cindy team but 2rl is enough to beat their second team

[shell hazel]

this should beat scar team

or LapT instead of Maiden if you lack her

and if you lack both another clip SG though it risks killing itself on counters

[runic coral]

my bay is 0/0/0 0ol

[shell hazel]

4/4/4 0 OL is fine

depends on CP a bit

[runic coral]

I think just running my scar into their scar is enough

since they burst later

[shell hazel]

they probably do yes

especially if you send with jackal, but you need to beat the cindy team, what I sent before should work

[runic coral]

yeah Imma try that now

[shell hazel]

can you rec?

their cp pad nonsense team isn't miles off being doable but you lack some cp

[runic coral]

I won all 3 this time, I guess their 3rd team just decided to lose this time around

[shell hazel]

this should smash their 3rd team with a bit of your own pad + biscuit immunity

crown tanks until your burst and you have RH for redundancy

opponent team is like 6RL

[runic coral]

haha good to know

I'll keep it screenshoted for later

[shell hazel]

my suggestion worked good for the cindy team?

[runic coral]

yea siren stun was sufficient

[shell hazel]

[shell hazel]

ah nice yeah, your noise on t1 though 😄

give her temperance cube if you have one I think, though if she died siren is backup b1 anyway

[runic coral]

tempering better than vigor on noise?

[shell hazel]

I must admit I run mine with tempering atm but also I was dealing with bugs practically killing her before burst before

maybe vigor is the better option now those are fixed

either way she was a bit dicey there hah

[glad meteor]

She has vigor on s2, stacking damage reduction should be better

[runic coral]

true

[short plaza]

what are those terms and percentages mean?

[grand plaza]

@shell hazel got Vesti

Not going to get Anne tho

[shell hazel]

she's great 🙂
anne is more of a CA unit anyway

[shell hazel]

burst speed, 1RL = the time it takes for a battery like centi or trina to fire 1 rocket

6RL as you can imagine is slow

[runic coral]

RL stands for Rocket Launcher.
We use rocket launchers to gauge burst generation speed because they fire once every second
1rl = 1 second

percentages are how close you are to hitting a rl threshold.
100% 3RL = 3 seconds

[shell hazel]

100% 3RL should mean you burst on the 3rd rocket time

[short plaza]

I see I see thank you

[grand plaza]

Now I need to face hard truth that I don't have any mats for any kind of investment

I think I will keep saving until Anniv, use my pilgrim molds as well, and see who to invest there

I wouldn't be fun if I can drop RRH but not invest on her

[shell hazel]

I don't worry about investing in the units I don't have

solo raid ticks around often enough that I can usually SR-15 someone there

and otherwise skill books and gear xp drops in routinely

plus I can get the doll I need 100% on solo raid unless I miss the blue ones

so I keep 2-3 of each blue back if I can

[runic coral]

@shell hazel maybe you could inspire me some def teams as well?
I'm running 2x2rl teams and 3rl sbs indom but it doesn't seem to be holding up much nowadays

[shell hazel]

build vesti

[runic coral]

she that op?

[shell hazel]

SBS has drawbacks, like biscuit on opponent side

vesti has no direct counter as such

people can beat vesti but it's harder than beating SBS and she'll land a few punches in around 2RL or so that have to be accounted for

plus she's an incredibly useful attack option

[runic coral]

nah but I can't invest into vesti, sr soon followed by anni and I spent all my resources on last raid 🥀

I don't even have the skill mats to get 7/7/7

[shell hazel]

4/10/10 vesti

[runic coral]

well point is I don't have enough manuals to get a skill to 10 in the first place 😄

[shell hazel]

see the power of vesti against my local whale https://www.youtube.com/shorts/inyFv164o2A

they're +30 sync and lots of core maxes

and my vesti lacks all her ol lines I want to get, only one atk roll

this was before they fixed the bugs normally helm wouldn't die 😄

[runic coral]

maaaaaaaan 😩

[shell hazel]

on even footing/cp it would destroy even more tbh

i've flipped it back to private for now in case they're stalking in here 😄

[runic coral]

haha okay, gatekeeping the strats

[shell hazel]

well don't want to really highlight what I use to beat them, means they may adjust what they set

one of the key things about def is not knowing what teams were attacked or by what units

if you have all the info for both sides you can devise other defences potentially

[runic coral]

unironically wish I could see how someone attacked me and vice versa

[gaunt pulsar]

having replays saved for arena for at least a day (preferably forever) just for purposes of rewatching what the f happened would be huge, and would save me hard drive space and hussle to record almost every fight i'm unsure of result

[grand plaza]

I need like 5-6 blue ones, made a mistake of giving some unnecessary characters before for some small cp boost

[forest zodiac]

may I ask for assistance with this, please?

[hollow lagoon]

I’ll stalk

[hollow lagoon]

Kill scarlet with 2rl Cindy, break jackal link with rosana

Ngl that jackaless scarlet could flat out die if u use strong enough pressure to begin with

[forest zodiac]

how rosanna team would look like?

[hollow lagoon]

Could prob work

[forest zodiac]

I have ptsd from people suggesting me scarlet as damage dealer and that team dying

[hollow lagoon]

Need some tanky cubes on Trina prob

What’s the worst case if you fail

100gems?

Ngl u can also stall the Cindy team

If ur Moran Nero/bay is sufficiently built

U can also try to scarlet it but ur gonna need a strong buffer for b1 on scarlet

Like redhood or something

[forest zodiac]

I do have bay\moran decent

[hollow lagoon]

Then idk why ur abusing anchor

[forest zodiac]

because I don't think I won that team a single time

[hollow lagoon]

That dosnt explain the anchor abuse

The point of that team is to reach full burst after scarlet wipe, most scarlet teams don’t buff hard enough which results in rumani and Noah living which result in burst

So the point is to have enough damage to actually yeet Cinderella

So if u can 2 rl scarlet bard enough you would actually win

The hard part is the hard enough

Redhood b1 is certainly pretty hard

If you think ur rosana can take out biscuit (doubtful by the way) you can try that too

Otherwise u can try Moran Nero or Moran bay

Their team 2 could honestly die to rosana too

Since it’s unprotected scarlet and helm

[forest zodiac]

anyways I have no idea what to do and I have no confidence to experiment

[shell hazel]

EVIL!

[hollow lagoon]

Like I said, always experiment

[shell hazel]

I've probably already done enough to secure SPA1 again anyway, even if I sat at 2 for the rest of this season

dunno why they're bothering it's just flip flopping, maybe they'll get tired of it eventually 😛

[hollow lagoon]

Worst case pull out wallet a buy a core dust pack and ur gem is back wow

[shell hazel]

that's true but your money is not there anymore 😛

[forest zodiac]

thats exactly what goes against me

[hollow lagoon]

Eat 1/3 of a meal less

[shell hazel]

daddy shiftup looking after it instead

[forest zodiac]

I haven't spent a cent and that will not happen any time soon

[hollow lagoon]

And then there’s me here

Unable to experiment

[shell hazel]

2Rl bay the scarlet

[hollow lagoon]

Unable to grow

[shell hazel]

siren stun the noah on the cindy team

[hollow lagoon]

Stun Noah is not good anymore

[shell hazel]

sure it is

[hollow lagoon]

My scarlet died twice to that exact comp

It works if they don’t use rumani

If they do Noah rumani and Cindy live

And they still achieve burst cycle

[shell hazel]

just run mirror cindy comp with siren instead of rumani

or rapi instead of cindy also possible

[hollow lagoon]

Oh u doing that route

Rapi is better

Since she blows up the bunch of electric and wind

[shell hazel]

this is their team, no CS assumed

[hollow lagoon]

Idk how but

It seems biscuit always gets off now days

Even if scarlet yeets biscuit

[shell hazel]

send this at it is an option

or rapi ver

[forest zodiac]

charge speed doesn't matter in noah vs noise?

usually they are in reverse for me

[shell hazel]

siren won't get taunted

[hollow lagoon]

Wouldent matter in this case

[shell hazel]

siren at p5 will shoot p1

[forest zodiac]

ok

[shell hazel]

rapi ver might be better

blow them all up and eat all the biscuit/noah immunities up

[hollow lagoon]

Rapi version better since ur betting on postnoah dmg

[shell hazel]

but noah won't burst so they won't be that well protected

biscuit can't keep everyone alive especially if you stun noah

for the scar just run a 2RL bay

[hollow lagoon]

Unprotected scarlet tho

I’s go the derpy route and kill it

[forest zodiac]

what about everyone attacking scarlet and giving charge?

[hollow lagoon]

Only matter if jackal but they spent jackal on vesti team

[shell hazel]

you're 2RL you'll be fine, low feed

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel what bugs were fixed

[shell hazel]

if ros kills helm then xmaiden still kills

[forest zodiac]

t1 skip I guess?

[shell hazel]

yes

[shell hazel]

double effects on stuff like xmaiden skill

[hollow lagoon]

Ain’t t1 the easiest just 2rl scarlet it

[shell hazel]

rapu heal

you may have enough pieces left to 2RL scar it?

we're not using trina or jackal

RH for double buff

SR anis for clip RL

[hollow lagoon]

That is 2rl

[forest zodiac]

uhhhhhh

[shell hazel]

can try this on the scar comp

[forest zodiac]

I did won but I'm not sure it went intended way

[shell hazel]

what happened? 😮

[shell hazel]

haha it did work 😄

your rapi well built?

[forest zodiac]

not best of the best but pretty good

[hollow lagoon]

F2p418 sync prob has hundreds to thousands of rocks over me

[shell hazel]

if you get that again you could send the cindy ver instead, same layout, cindy can go p5 so she's last in queue to die

[forest zodiac]

I'm not sure these rapi numbers is not enough?

[shell hazel]

it works but you want less margin for error

I'd actually send vesti instead of either if yours was built

[forest zodiac]

nah, haven't built vesti yet

[shell hazel]

vesti overwhelms all 5 units better

if you fight same again you can also try the 2RL scar into their other team

#pvp-arena message

[forest zodiac]

yeah, I will, thank you

[shell hazel]

no harm in sending it and seeing, and if one team fails another may work

the 2RL bay worked perfect though

[hollow lagoon]

Noise burst didn’t gib nuff dmg for rapi

[shell hazel]

noise burst I mainly like as it heals + buffs your hp

[hollow lagoon]

So it took a while to murder stuff

[shell hazel]

I don't think her burst really boosts rapi damage, she works good with cindy as it's hp scaling

[hollow lagoon]

Should use xmica

[shell hazel]

you and the xmica propaganda 😄

I didn't even pick her up

[hollow lagoon]

Clip sg burst gen and atk buff what’s not to love

[shell hazel]

slightly under clip SG but still decent

[hollow lagoon]

U find a clip sg gen b1 that buff atk

And let me know

Rumani is normal atk only dosnt boost most things

[shell hazel]

nah it's good I just don't have her lol

smg is main issue feeds some

[hollow lagoon]

feed is like only scarlet and jackal and nero

that's like 3 units out of

a lot

[swift mango]

Noise+Crown is the combo I sometimes use for attack .

[gritty ridge]

Ill find out if they take their spot again

[shell hazel]

@swift mango @worthy knoll @tropic summit @coarse lake - you guys played around at all with siren position in relation to her stun?
in this SPA she appears to stun opponent Siren before they can stun Noah. I feel like her distance to the opponent Siren is the only logical explanation for this

[mystic rain]

his noah might also have cs

[shell hazel]

noah CS only works if you're on 2RL

also noah gets stunned right after

the stun from opponent Siren does not trigger here, and it's not like Noah dodged it like Scar can with ammo count

what I mean to say is their siren didn't trigger stun because she was stunned, but her stun should come off at the same time

[pastel owl]

i think mg/smg/ar/sr does not have projectile travel speed simulated, the stunned siren shot 49 bullets, maybe because each position have a slight delay in doing the first shot

[swift mango]

Show me the video.

Or pic.

[mystic rain]

its in the reply

[swift mango]

Their siren did stop at 49 bullets.

Maybe like @unique wagon said, distance matters in arena now after the lastest patch.

@shell hazel

@unique wagon Sorry about ever doubting you.

[mystic rain]

iirc theres like 1 frame difference shooting from p1 compared to p5

p1 to p3 frame diff tho?

[shell hazel]

1 frame must be enough though more testing would need to be done to confirm how it went with say p2, p3, p4 etc

[mystic rain]

like man the difference is so small plus we're calculating actual hit scan bullets instead of rocket time

[swift mango]

It didn't happen when I ran this same 2 siren position before. But it happened now

[covert lintel]

Try again 3 more times
If it's fixed the opponent siren stunned then it's true the distance matter

[shell hazel]

feels like p5 siren should reliably beat p1 siren

[mystic rain]

like damn dude is the counter to siren stun also to just siren stun on p5

[mystic rain]

what

[shell hazel]

it only works if the siren is in the right place I guess

[mystic rain]

[shell hazel]

also not reproduced the result

[swift mango]

Exactly what I said, both p1 and p3 siren got out their stun.

[mystic rain]

wtf

[swift mango]

So this is nice result to see too. If it's consistent then. It's a done deal.

[pastel owl]

even if there's bullet travel time both siren should have shot their 50th shot b4 taking the shot land

[mystic rain]

wait so is it possible to stun scarlet now with <31 ammo if siren is in p5 and scar p1 or

[pastel owl]

unless stun would cancel the bullet being shot

[mystic rain]

would be really funny

[shell hazel]

no siren stun should be a consistent speed more or less

scar dodges because she ducks into cover to reload during that window

the only use I can see for this is the anti-siren siren stun lol

[shell hazel]

@spiral onyx don't suppose you could use your test bench spa to test siren stun based on position?

noted here is that p3 siren (A) stunned p1 siren (D), before p1 siren (D) could stun p1 noah (A)

[gritty ridge]

I didnt expect to start big conversation lol

Arena being silly moment

[pastel owl]

what if both at p1

[shell hazel]

for all the siliness there is usually a consistency of sorts in the rules

[shell hazel]

I imagine they'd stun at same time then

[placid bloom]

p1 Siren into p1 Siren I believe attacker is given priority by the game

[shell hazel]

[pastel owl]

i suspect bullets are considered landed at the time of shooting, hp is reduced and effect are resovled, attaker side always resolve first
if the sides exchange it would be both noah and siren stunned
but unless more testing cannot say for sure

[placid bloom]

I've seen attacker Siren stun defender Siren at 49 bullets, I don't remember if I've seen the opposite yet

assuming no taunt and mirror match

[worthy knoll]

Yanagi's Dog said he was sure P1 Siren on both sides stuns at the same time

[shell hazel]

SPA should be more consistent than rookie for this

[placid bloom]

nobody runs Mermaid p1 in SPA so I can only say what I saw on rookie

maybe you can get someone to test

[shell hazel]

is why I asked Keripo as he can test with his victims 🙂

[umbral belfry]

in my defense i haven't changed my defense in 999999 years

[dim escarp]

@shell hazel S.Anis update

[shell hazel]

wait you core 7 her!? 😮

[dim escarp]

that's my revenge to me from the past (I skipped because I just started the game and had no idea she was that strong)

[dim escarp]

absolutely haha

[shell hazel]

me: 1 copy and run away bravely 😄

[dim escarp]

and going to full invest her for both pvp + else

lmao same for my other account honestly

[shell hazel]

I can't whale that much I have to be cautious still

[dim escarp]

I can understand haha

[shell hazel]

only one I'd consider going more all in for would probably be emi

[dim escarp]

no I just wonder how can I set her in my CA

I'll think about it

[shell hazel]

I can't see a route to use her in my CA tbh

esp with Vesti being out now

[dim escarp]

yeah same because of vesti

lol he know too

[shell hazel]

my noah/vesti lost to indom vesti in CA 😄

what is stronger than vesti? another vesti

[dim escarp]

we'll see, first I need to fully invest her, I have 2 part almost done

honestly the fact we have one dude with emilia in our CA kinda make me angry

[shell hazel]

I'm getting my xanne CA ready

[dim escarp]

because we all started after but there's one dude in final

with emi, tf

[shell hazel]

yeah that is rough, I don't have that yet but damn that seems unfair

[dim escarp]

it's just because of their bad shuffle

[dim escarp]

that's literaly broken yeah

[shell hazel]

we need emi re-run

[dim escarp]

indeed, asap

[shell hazel]

or new standard version of emi

[dim escarp]

(let me recover from anis c7 before lmao)

[shell hazel]

I've already skipped a bunch lately

I went MLB for vesti but the other absolute + ade + milk getting skipped

as I had to get xanne, s.anis, and s.helm

[dim escarp]

I did at least secure Ade for UR to stop using mari in elec

vesti is core2 curently

[shell hazel]

I'll get her either in ord with luck, or in the new molds, or if all else fails ny selector in 3 months

well 4 months almost, I can wait

[dim escarp]

[dim escarp]

I avoid doing this on very strong units now cuz, my f2p account still dosent't have the maids

[shell hazel]

my plan is to keep investing in pvp for the rest of this year

[dim escarp]

damn

[shell hazel]

3-4 months then I should be safu to switch over to more pve focus

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

I'll switch over like skills and stuff a bit sooner those seem finite, I've done most of my skills where I wanted them to be

[pastel owl]

this is rookie though

[shell hazel]

did you see new UR summary in blabla Jaw?

[shell hazel]

still attacker priority

[pale knoll]

For CA?

[hollow lagoon]

core 2ed

[shell hazel]

for both SPA and CA, I'm dealing with booba whale

so I need strong units to keep up against the sync/cores

[hollow lagoon]

tried her on mlb decided she's my 2nd strongest electric b3, so i went a bit more on Sanis

[dim escarp]

yeeeeah that's dope, been saving a lot of time for my UR recap and during raid organisation

[shell hazel]

I think/feel like s.anis getting powercrept at some point

[hollow lagoon]

UR?

[shell hazel]

didn't want to dive all in

but I could well be wrong

[hollow lagoon]

i dont think sanis can be power crept

at the very worst she's off burst reload+atk buffer for electric

[shell hazel]

I dislike going too deep on older units if gacha games taught me anything

[dim escarp]

if one in elec team will be it's prob maiden, not anis I guess

[candid pivot]

what's vesti TU burst gen

I'm building her up now

[shell hazel]

very possible, though I always use xmaiden in CA

and s.anis I think optional here

[hollow lagoon]

oh u talking pvp

[dim escarp]

oh yeah for pvp she'll prob stay a very long time

[shell hazel]

my xmaiden I MLB last year as I liked her character lmao - I didn't even realise she was good at pvp until later

I wanted her for my main 5 in 160 wall

[candid pivot]

does multiple of 4s ammo matter in pvp on vesti or do you just want as much ammo as possible?
guessing bastion is better for than resilience?

[hollow lagoon]

my sanis with barely any rolls and just 1 atk and 2 ele out dmg my ein and out buff my xmaiden, my mirrior container ai hit stage 8 lellellelele

[shell hazel]

both

I consider both for usability

[shell hazel]

multis of 4 as she charge > shoot 4 rockets

[hollow lagoon]

sanis offer too much to be power crept

within short term

[shell hazel]

you can use bastion to extend that but you need to check how many multiples she shoots

sure, I think if built good she'll still work well at 0LB

[hollow lagoon]

my union raid literal used sanis on offburst to help my low ammo scarlet inst reload

with out crown

[shell hazel]

I need to treasure bay next though

[hollow lagoon]

i mlb xanne but she's going on slow burn

[candid pivot]

bay almost max on treasure for me I'd like to use her more in pvp

would seem like bay could work in a stall team no?

[hollow lagoon]

if bunny milk is good i plan to invest, then i have to invest in couple wind units

[pale knoll]

That only applies to lower end unions that need people to hit an element twice

[candid pivot]

only issue with her is she has RL for burst gen

[shell hazel]

tbh she's less good on def

she's better for an attack option

[hollow lagoon]

i ran cinderella rouge scarlet trina sanis, tried all my other comps and that ended up with highest dmg, it is what it is

[shell hazel]

stall wise nero should be better if built, but you can run a pseudo stall comp with bay instead

[pale knoll]

Ig if you got no investments on xmaiden nor mari/bade

[hollow lagoon]

nope, my sanis outperform xmaiden for whatever reason

purely because my low ammo scarlet needed the reload

and its not like sanis offer no buff on off burst either

[pale knoll]

Are you getting 14 bursts with it? And bursting twice with xmaiden?

[hollow lagoon]

no clue i just quick fire trina for burst gen

xmaiden i burst once at the end

[shell hazel]

I do the same usually, I am not aware of double xmaiden burst tech

that team doesn't usually insta-burst though, cindy and scarlet are kind of slow

[hollow lagoon]

too much work, i'm middle of the union in sync but i'm 5th in damage i'm already trying hard enough

[shell hazel]

that is valid 😄

[hollow lagoon]

rouge pew pew then trina pew pew then mind trina reload aaaaaaaaaa

rouge pewpewing fast is actually bad since she has buffs on full charge intrrupting actually dont help dmmg much

[shell hazel]

did you buy rouge gacha skin?

[hollow lagoon]

i did, she gets new cloth but i use herbase

chibi is top tier tho

[shell hazel]

it's a shame they messed that one up a bit I think, but I was prob never getting it even if it was better

I don't main rouge I mostly get the gachas for ones I use a lot

[hollow lagoon]

idk how u main rouge

[shell hazel]

like use her in much of anything 😄

maybe some people prefer to b1 her over siren 😛

[hollow lagoon]

i used her a lot i use her less now but i still use her a lot

[shell hazel]

once you get high enough sync you can just campaign with her I reckon

[hollow lagoon]

i use her over liter

[shell hazel]

yeah opposite for me

[hollow lagoon]

before siren she was absolutely my main b1

[shell hazel]

anyway the real gacha skin is bay one

day 1 insta-purchase

<@&946725432554836008>

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel we are here to PvP tho

So are you winning?

[shell hazel]

damn that is a good score

minus about 100K or so off that and you got my score lol

I like the mini-game but I don't like it enough to hyper-mald it 😛

[hollow lagoon]

gotta work on that ade run, sub 400k weakling

[shell hazel]

my fav mini-game so far was the xmaiden one with the frogger game

[hollow lagoon]

my favorite is the other ade one

and MOG

[shell hazel]

some are just in the arcade I think, weren't live when I started

sync 385 today getting nearer my 401 target

[hollow lagoon]

Let’s see your dessert rush score

[shell hazel]

I won't typically go back and do the old games tbh

the rewards kind of nerfed, I did most of the tower def one though looked fun

[hollow lagoon]

i play them

i even replayed in the mirrior

[shell hazel]

I'll keep my time/effort for the new ones

there's good lore and stuff in some of the old events as well like overzone but I just don't want to spend the time on them lol

[hollow lagoon]

they are fun tho

[keen vapor]

@swift mango if you look carefully at yesterday's recording you'll see that 20 ammo Scarlet manages to stay alive thanks to cover I'm anything but brick

[keen vapor]

Self reminder

[shell hazel]

Echo reminder

[hybrid fox]

can I get a confirmation?
I know team 1 wins
team 2 maybe? (enemy PRACTICALLY DOESNT BURST)
team 3 soda might stun and ruin something?

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

guess your siren always stuns noise before you get stunned?

[keen vapor]

Your Noah won't burst and you'll get stuck, correct

[hybrid fox]

yes that is 2RL so siren get to burst before they stun my siren

team1 won before so should be okay

[shell hazel]

what I mean is your siren never fails to stun noise right?

[keen vapor]

Should be Noah stun no?... Oh wait, slow team

[hybrid fox]

yeah but nothing I can do lolz
it's double burst I alr

[keen vapor]

No Bay?

[hybrid fox]

yes bay

[swift mango]

team 2 looks 5rl and Moran may burst before you Emi at 3rl hit them. Since you have only Blanc burst Idk if your Emi have enough dmg. I would use Crown or RH to buff Emi instead of lapT tbh.

Team 3, you could win if your cindy able to face tank scarlet slash with Noise buff. Investment aside, there is also rng factor of crit and counter on cindy.

[keen vapor]

Replace Cinderella with her and put Helm center if you have her treasure maxed

[hybrid fox]

cindy can tank for sure

[hybrid fox]

would SGs... fare better?

[swift mango]

well, with bad RNG your cindy woudl be down to 1/3 hp by counter before Noise burst even.

[hybrid fox]

shouldn't be that bad..

[swift mango]

so if you think you could face tank you would win.

[hybrid fox]

I am 599 vs 568

maybe 601 soon

[keen vapor]

Bay is consistent

[hybrid fox]

it's credit that's holding me back

[keen vapor]

Credits

[swift mango]

what is bay even do here in scarlet match.

[hybrid fox]

what abt team 2?

[keen vapor]

Block Scarlet?

Since Soda stuns taunters

[swift mango]

my blanc and bay got hit by Soda in CA more than I could count.

[rich ledge]

860k CP vs 660k CP phew

[keen vapor]

Taunters
Two of them

[swift mango]

that would need AS to not play Cindy because it's can't be 2rl. He could do that with xmaiden invested.

[hybrid fox]

ummm u lost me

[keen vapor]

Your noise won't burst

So your Cindy won't tank
Use Bay instead of Cindy

[swift mango]

He was suggesting something like this.

[hybrid fox]

ok
do u guys want a record

[hybrid fox]

helm solo? dammmmmm

[keen vapor]

WITH RUMANI

[swift mango]

Or this

[keen vapor]

Helm nuke already going to end enemy's main source of damage

[hybrid fox]

[swift mango]

Rumani is just objectively worse. I made your suggestion look better than it should be already .

[hybrid fox]

wait, no bay treasure haha

[keen vapor]

You want him to lose to stun

[hybrid fox]

I am thinking on it

[shell hazel]

dosesn't matter for burst gen

[swift mango]

Normal bay is fine

[shell hazel]

bay without treasure still works

[keen vapor]

Normal Bay and Treasure Bay are almost identical

[shell hazel]

cindy was just too slow so your b1 at p1 wouldn't work

[hybrid fox]

oh, (better to not risk tanking scar? I guess)

I am more scared that noise taunts and then burst delay

[keen vapor]

Yes, don't risk

[swift mango]

The difference in s1 healing is noticable. So not really identical but still work.

[shell hazel]

you need to be on 2RL to catch nuke in time if they're 2RL

[hybrid fox]

so swap around team 2? i guess

[keen vapor]

Almost

[swift mango]

This team 2 actually more likely to win

[shell hazel]

noise should b1 in time

[hybrid fox]

do u want vids, echo, blood

team 2 isn't that much of a big deal
it's soda giving me trouble lolz

[shell hazel]

with noah and bay you got 2 nuke catchers for b2

[keen vapor]

Wrong, you need Rumani on round 3

Blood never mentioned this changes to Round 2 either

[umbral crown]

[hybrid fox]

just putting around

[shell hazel]

she should burst at same time as soda though I admit I've not stumbled into a soda match before no one in my SPA running her

[swift mango]

You could actually put Rumani or Biscuit p2, replacing Cindy, to not give them anymore burst gen.

[hybrid fox]

so what's the strat against soda

[shell hazel]

soda can't stun everyone 😄

[keen vapor]

Also, Bay with Moran Buff can catch Cindy nukes
But I guess Emilia can delete Bay cover to when you finally burst

[swift mango]

The 2 team I gave.

[keen vapor]

Wrong

[shell hazel]

quite an expensive team though

[swift mango]

They 5 RL, they don't catch any 3rl nuke.

They would just die

[keen vapor]

Hippo gets it

[hybrid fox]

follow up question, why 2 burst II isntead of 2 burst I

[swift mango]

The burst 1 would burst same time as Soda and won't be stunned before she burst.

If your noise is very weak while your HelmT very strong you could try Rumani but I rather not and use Rumani in team 2 for the guaranteed win.

[hybrid fox]

k time to go
no vid

[keen vapor]

Rip

[hybrid fox]

[shell hazel]

F

[hybrid fox]

yeah cindy burst kills the rest 3, so ez win
team3: stun: noise, noah
so I think bay bursted

👍

[shell hazel]

yeah bay backup works good there

I think noise would burst just before soda stun can land

but not something I ever tried 😄

[keen vapor]

Rapunzel powercreep

[hybrid fox]

correct

[keen vapor]

Oh right, the revive

[swift mango]

I was thinking of this team as a copium but it's not power creep and your order is wrong.

[keen vapor]

Wrong order?

It's always been done like this

[swift mango]

Yeah.

[swift mango]

For Rapu team. But for this team you don't use its only strong point at all.

[swift mango]

Months Before, when Soda would sometime randomly stun 1 of Noah-Noise and 1 random, even 2 burst 2 would sometime not working. But now Soda would stun both so it would always work. Rumani doesn't change anything though.

Unless you had 0 CS and they had 25%.

Or Noise too weak she got killed before she burst.

[shell hazel]

yeah at same speed I think it's no diff

2RL noise is not super easy to kill if she invested though

even during bug season mine could survive OK usually

[swift mango]

If their Soda could stun your Noise it means their Scarlet would wipe before your Bay/Noah. It also makes no difference.

[forest zodiac]

@shell hazel thank you

[spiral onyx]

No need to test anytime. Just input things into Nikke Work and you'll see the exact timeline

[shell hazel]

two sirens should stun at the same moment though, and one does not

[shell hazel]

3-0!

sasuga

[spiral onyx]

Effects apply at time of bullet land. Travel time is factored in afaik

[shell hazel]

yeah that was my assessment but also how far that goes I suppose would be interesting

watch the video that bigboi sent you'll see what I mean

unsure if siren at p2 still beats opponent siren in a race condition

and if both are p1 if they both just stun eachother also interesting, we think attacker somehow gets priority

[tropic summit]

realistically what are the chances someone puts siren in p1 over p2 anyway, feels like a niche scenario regardless

a proper def team should have in p1

-noah on 11% CS team
-jackal or any resistant B1
-rare occasion cindy or rosanna, which would then skip to B1 in p2 anyway (or scarlet if ammo count resistant)

[shell hazel]

some people may run siren in p1 if they have her linked in scar comp have seen it

[tropic summit]

if you've siren linked you don't put her in p1

[shell hazel]

so if you can reliably stun that siren you can avoid any anti-stun

[tropic summit]

especially now with vesti anyway

looks like another case of spaghetti code where attacker has priority anyway, as someone said

[shell hazel]

still call it a curiosity anyway, I have no way to test it further :9

[tropic summit]

as for distance, that may have an impact in assuming who hits the stack threshold first

[shell hazel]

yeah it's priority or distance related

[tropic summit]

but feels like a needless headache, all we can learn from this is to not run siren in p1

[shell hazel]

Rail

my Bay is almost ready

[umbral crown]

Now gib 18 cs

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

honestly this is going to need some rocks lol

[umbral crown]

We can always steals Rail s rocks

[shell hazel]

I don't know if I have a huge value in giving her high CS tbh

she's mainly anti-scar for my atk teams

which are usually 2RL anyway and her cs won't make that speed better

[umbral crown]

Mine for some reason got 18 cs with cube

[shell hazel]

might be fine just cp pad with any stat

I run nero stall in CA anyway

[shell hazel]

problem is this is usually the other way around

[umbral crown]

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

We giving besto vesti cores befor eher banner ends?

[shell hazel]

I MLB it was enough for me

I'll keep her in the old wishlist a while for more cores

[umbral crown]

Then boom C7

[shell hazel]

eventually I hope lmao

am OK with that I don't tend to pull for dupes beyond MLB for anyone

my units who are beyond MLB are just there due to chance / luck

[minor hazel]

How much burst gen would you need for 1.5RL?

[swift mango]

No CS.

[swift mango]

It does.

[shell hazel]

blood gimme rocks

[swift mango]

I could give you half the rock I have.

[shell hazel]

that'll do

[swift mango]

So half a rock it is.

[shell hazel]

I'm waiting to see what I get on the last piece

then I'll use your half a rock and my half a rock to make a whole rock

I have 36 rocks

I need to fix last scar piece though for atk

and vesti needs some better lines

helm needs CS on last piece as well

maybe fix vesti a bit more first

roll for good line 3 on boots with an atk stat

[swift mango]

My Vesti needs at least 1 more CS. 12 okay lines for dmg but CS just that rare.

[glad meteor]

3 rock rolls to lose all rocks

[gritty ridge]

I was gonna hit that guy again but he's become quite inactive in spa, ive hit him 2 times total since reset

I can run p1 siren against p3 defending in rookie tho

[shell hazel]

i'll do the boots first, 1 rock a go and just full roll for good line 3 if I can

my scar I need to full roll the helm but it's still cp padding me nicely

need last atk line here

[swift mango]

2-3 rocks rolls now. No more 1 rock roll.

[shell hazel]

seems pretty good except the CS line 3 doesn't do much I think?

you having to lock 2 stats to reset attributes?

[swift mango]

it does as much as CS line 1-2.

[shell hazel]

which is to say not very much I think 😛

[swift mango]

I need one more CS and the helm+Body are the only piece that could include them.

[shell hazel]

oh it's vesti not scar I misread it

chest feels the better option to me

because that atk also may want reset attributes, and the charge dmg is low

where 5% crit on helm is decent enough

[swift mango]

Yes, I am rerolling it. If it got Crit or Ele, I would switch to Helm.

[shell hazel]

yeah that is a valid approach

I'm gathering as many as I can so I have a shot at solving some things, but I don't need to get absolute perfection

rocks that is

[swift mango]

I didn't roll for 4 ATK but they came before I even get a CS line.

No reason to throw them away and 1 rock roll for CS. It's just a waste

[shell hazel]

if I can add another atk line to vesti on the boots I'll be happy with that for now, I can monitor her performance in the CA and consider next moves

yeah I'd just 3 rock roll for the last stat, just dumb the rng of the rolls means you can get the same thing multiple times

I have a few pieces on my campaign team that need line 1 fixes but it's so costly

[swift mango]

My campaign is just CP pad.

[shell hazel]

for helm I need to get last CS line on the helm

[swift mango]

My Rapipi only 1 AtK 2 ele

[shell hazel]

I'll lock atk on that and try it at some point

[swift mango]

My helm 4 CS, 3 Ele, no atk.

[shell hazel]

some people don't want atk on her due to ros

I'm kind of hybrid using her in pve so I'll just live with it

[swift mango]

People doesn't want attack on her as PvE main because MiranT combo

[shell hazel]

oh or that, I won't worry about that either lol

I am miles off building miranda T out, so many units ahead of her I can build 😄

if I can get 21% cs on helm which means a roll of 4.63% or better on my last piece + adjutant, I can b1 at the same time as siren stun against a standard scar 2RL

I wonder then if I could/should run moran at p1 instead of nero so siren can't prevent nero burst

[swift mango]

Just no. HelmT with 21-24% CS isn't enough to stop siren to stun Moran.

[shell hazel]

even if nikke.work says it's same exact frame?

[swift mango]

It's just not work, I tested it with Rakuen's Helm who has 22% CS (1 short from 25% with Adjustant).

Anyone with 25% CS helm could try.

21-24% Emi works though.
Also, rakuen Emi.

[shell hazel]

yeah you need 25% to beat it, very hard to get would mean reset attribute fishing for enough CS blue/black lines

[swift mango]

Rakuen just stopped at the last 1% to max out his meta CS units lol.

[shell hazel]

I think this is the lowest barrier you need to pass for 25% helmT

well 21% is still good as it means you can b2 before opponent b3 reliably if they don't have siren

[swift mango]

You will be fine with 2 line 5.8%

[shell hazel]

yeah I mentioned lowest ones that work because it allows you to have a 5.51% if you want

like you don't need 5.8%+ on them

<@&946725432554836008>

[swift mango]

It doesn't matter. 2 5.8, 1 5.6, 1 4.6 are the lowest.

[shell hazel]

why is it such a pain to actually find @Moderator in the list 😄

oh the 6 can be a 5.8 I got it

it's quite far off for me to consider this I think I'd want to roll more cs for my batteries first

once my atk units are good and helm is at 21% I'll look to give my batteries at least 15%

some have it, some don't, but that kind of number gives me options

[swift mango]

11% is my stop points. If I have rock I would go for 21-25% Emi first.

[shell hazel]

interesting, well I'd want to raise them all evenly somewhat anyway

I have a lot of rocks needing to be burnt to do this

[swift mango]

Well, I have to CP pad as much as possible, you don't

[shell hazel]

no I do as well

[shell hazel]

to some degree I do want/need to

people in my SPA are close enough to be a threat if I don't

[swift mango]

You don't do it out of necessary like me.

You have more dupes and level to start with.

[shell hazel]

not inc the whale who has higher cp than me

top 3 are similar, 4th could pose a threat if they invest more

quite a lot of people 5 onwards at 1.5-1.6M or so

I need to cp pad or the whale can gap me more easily

[swift mango]

This is very safe already. So nothing could worry you anymore.

[shell hazel]

not that diff to your SPA as I recall 😛

[swift mango]

I struggle to get there.

I'm not even 20 level difference or more dupes comparing to some of the guys 500k CP below mine.

C5 and I are basically same level

[upper grove]

rank 3 no union holy bricks

just whale

[swift mango]

He is whale. No need to explain shit.

[swift mango]

Top 3 solo raid in SEA also no union.

[upper grove]

shinono no union

[swift mango]

[upper grove]

3.01%

[swift mango]

The meme

[shell hazel]

yeah I worked on basically pvp only and I barely have more CP than most of mine also 😄

and some I don't even, guy in 2/3 (same as yours)

[swift mango]

I mean, even my biscuit has 12 lines. And I had to 2 rock roll for her CS ofc.

[shell hazel]

some good/some bad

my biscuit has 0% CS

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

Noah/Centi had the luckiest initial rolls

[swift mango]

That's a nice 3 natural 15% you got there. Bitter 3 rocks for sure .

[shell hazel]

eh it's all swings and roundabouts though 😛

[swift mango]

Even 2 natural 10% to boot

[shell hazel]

jackal that was like 20 rocks and it's not even 5% CS one

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

I got some work to do still

[swift mango]

I spent more than 100 on my jackal and her CP is subpar.

Haven't come back to go fix her since she broke 150 mark.

[shell hazel]

I think Anis SR is about the only unit I will just worry only about CS on

the rest I do want or need to pad a bit

2 lines is generally fine, one CS one something else

I can't finish Anis anyway yet I need 2 more bits to OL in the first place, I'm debating using my t9m selector to do it but maybe I'll fish for the gear on the next fbw

I didn't include Bay in the list but she's on 0% CS as well

[gritty ridge]

Hi chat

[swift mango]

Bye chat.

[gritty ridge]

Blood hates me

[spare nimbus]

will this win?

[tropic summit]

enemy team isn't 2RL as long as you don't let them sacc

[spare nimbus]

lol i just decided to cp diff

[tropic summit]

either way this would've been for example a counter

[shell hazel]

Bigboi cook me some CA teams fella

[gritty ridge]

Do you really want that

[shell hazel]

I wonder what madness we'll cook

https://tenor.com/view/witch-witches-brew-cauldron-stir-the-pot-gif-15228932002691036793

[gritty ridge]

I can after work if you want

[shell hazel]

curious to see how many teams get pascal and bready

only the first 2 rows really have any investment. I do have a basic xanne who I wanted to send with my sg/ros team, and SR Anis who works if she's not on the frontline

[swift mango]

Obviously

Bready+Blanc+Bready+Bready+Jackal

Best team

[shell hazel]

bready + blanc + biscuit + bay + bsoda

all gotta start with the letter b

wait is besti OK to join it?

[eternal finch]

Any recommended teams vs this?

[tropic summit]

[shell hazel]

god your union is slacking 😄

[tropic summit]

for now*

[shell hazel]

you think last day lead coming?

[tropic summit]

definitely

[gritty ridge]

Bready biscuit milk soda cocoa

[shell hazel]

no pascal?

[placid bloom]

only food names

Pascal not a food

[shell hazel]

hmm dunno about that

ah nice overclock reset time to get my skill books

[gritty ridge]

Oh overclock reset?

I get to redo 25 with no buffs again

Yayyy

[shell hazel]

what the hell options did I pick which means I can't pick RH? 😄

[placid bloom]

no SR B1

she can be B1 so no RH

[shell hazel]

damnit

alice it is

[tropic summit]

try this, your teams are on the left, bay can be untreasured, ensure you're not on CP deficit

[gritty ridge]

Just run this, easiest without weapon specifications

[shell hazel]

I can sleep walk 25 by now tbh

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna try for 50

[placid bloom]

pretty sure sync 280-ish can already auto 25

[shell hazel]

50 would be harder certainly

[gritty ridge]

I can basically auto it at 250

[tropic summit]

is there any rewards past 25?

[placid bloom]

50 doable at sync 321 for sure, maybe lower if you malding

just titles for 50 + infinity

[tropic summit]

good, can keep sleepin' on it

[gritty ridge]

Kuwon you dont think I can get 50?

[placid bloom]

you have invested Vesti?

[shell hazel]

yeah I won't bother with beyond 25 atm

[gritty ridge]

No

[shell hazel]

Investi? 😮

[placid bloom]

the stuff is actually tanky

[gritty ridge]

50 can use siren, infinite cant

[placid bloom]

yes you can use Siren Crown

but you can only deal damage with fire, and Alice can't really wave clear

[gritty ridge]

True

[placid bloom]

you can try

[gritty ridge]

Siren crown rapi rouge dkw

[placid bloom]

HP scales with OC though

1.4m CP OC doesn't have same HP as 800k CP OC

it's way higher

[gritty ridge]

Yeah thats true, and no core dmg is gonna make me suffer

[eternal finch]

No treasure with Bay yet unfortunately

[shell hazel]

as he said bay does not need treasure

just need to not be on cp deficit

[eternal finch]

Oh I read untrusted lol

I was so confused

[shell hazel]

bay should not be trusted

[gritty ridge]

Bay can be trusted

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-bay-shy-gif-12034096806152885942

[eternal finch]

Yeha that worked, thanks!

[tropic summit]

can you post the results for reference?

[shell hazel]

time for Rail to steal my rocks again

[eternal finch]

ah shoot

[gritty ridge]

Im surprised its only 1 page considering youre good pvper

[eternal finch]

ah shoot. I skipped sorry

[tropic summit]

oki that's fine, thank you

[shell hazel]

I have more just not really more pvp units

who am I missing?

I know I need/want to build Soda but there isn't really anyone else to build here

[tropic summit]

that's over 6 or 7 teams worth of variations... it's by far not "only"

[eternal finch]

DEF 1
Scar/Siren/Trina/RH/Rumani
Noah/Centi/Cindi/Noise/Jackal
Moran/Bae/T.Helm/Em/Maiden

DEF 2
Mora/Noah/Helm/RH/Rumani
Scarlet/Rapunzel/Laplace/Trina/Centi
Jackal/Vesti/Maiden/Blanc/Emilia

DEF 3
Noah/Noise/S.Anis/Biscuit/SBS
SakuraB/Blanc/Emilia/RH/Jackal
Crown/Scarlet/Rapunzel/Centi/Drake

My defenses are no longer working. Any recomemnded teams? I always check the pinned comment but haven't been able to find a good synergy teams for DEF. DEF 2 was working really well till now

[placid bloom]

probably just Anis but Anis is naturally low CP so it's kinda hard for her to get on top rows

[tropic summit]

i don't see vestiTU variation in there, that's a good addon

[eternal finch]

yeah these are previius to getting Vesti maxed

[tropic summit]

imo keep a scar-siren team, keep a noah 2RL team and add a 2RL or 2.5RL vesti team

for vesti consider indom as she gets even more tedious

[shell hazel]

she's barely on row 3 main reason is only 2/4 OL

[tropic summit]

although 2.5RL with either moran or noise can work too

[placid bloom]

Poli and Viper too if we're really reaching deep into the pool

Mana too?

very much the lower tier chars

[shell hazel]

yeah

[tropic summit]

poli viper and mana make up for worse variations, maybe can argue with poliT and viperT for SG teams rotations

[shell hazel]

I was just going to build xanne instead of poli tbh - lower doll reqs

with poliT being a potential eventual one for when I feel like running instead of xanne

[placid bloom]

and then if we're really really reaching far down there's ReiTN

[shell hazel]

oh yeah so I actually don't have viper still 😄

[tropic summit]

with the addon of vesti she falls even lower

[eternal finch]

which Vesti team would you recommend?

[shell hazel]

notably absent viper

[placid bloom]

and then there's stuff like Quiry that I still don't know is actually good or not

[shell hazel]

I should remove SBS actually tbh, I was fishing for more copies but I think cindy or crown is better here

[placid bloom]

I swear that team takes like 3x more investment to work for some reason

[shell hazel]

thing about quiry is she's the nichest of the niche use cases

I do have her but I doubt I'll build, I'd rather build mana, good healer/reasonable dps for wind weak

[placid bloom]

maybe Pepper too since she's one of the only few other B1 nukers that has okay burst gen

but it's so much harder to use her

[shell hazel]

I have an OK ish built pepper just no OL

she feeds quite a bit though

[tropic summit]

indommed or stall

another option but with CS% on vesti

[gritty ridge]

I was expecting every pvp unit sr15 tbh

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-13534211675425837423

[shell hazel]

I ran out of materials, bay is on R-5 and needs SR-15 for treasure lol

blanc/rumani are work in progress

also I did SR-15 my campaign units so not like I threw it all on pvp ones 🙂

[eternal finch]

I'll give these a shot

[thorny sequoia]

PVP GODS!!! 🙏🙏🙏 what is a hard counter to this team?

I have higher level and CP than this guy, but lately I've been losing 50/50 because we are close in power.
I'm using the same team to counter

What's a better hard counter for this team?

Thank you in advance PvP gods!!! 🙏🙏🙏

[tropic summit]

scarlet trina rh siren jackal

[thorny sequoia]

Thank you kind sir!!! 🙏🙏🙏 PRAISE BE 🙏🙏🙏

[shell hazel]

good for vesti or should I fish for better stats?

I think crit rate/dmg are OK, CS is good, means rolling line 1 for atk

[tropic summit]

atk% missing, ammo missing, CS% is there at least

[shell hazel]

I don't think I need more ammo necessarily, with current ammo + bastion she can fire 24 rockets

[tropic summit]

reroll until you get a good line on line 3 imo

chances are you stumble into a blue line

[shell hazel]

I could take it for now anyway, should be better than def, cs is 1% less

[tropic summit]

that's for sure

3 lines over 2 and you retain CS% anyway

[shell hazel]

although I do lose a little cp, but you think keep rolling for a better line 3?

I guess ammo/atk %/crit rate/cs are at least preferable here?

[tropic summit]

if you going for good CP, you should always aim for good line on 3rd

even more so if you'll face deficit battles soon

your future you will thank you

[shell hazel]

wrong stat on line 3 lmao

[tropic summit]

that's keep + reroll down the line

[shell hazel]

keep as in take new?

[tropic summit]

if you need ammo take it, if not just keep if the levels are higher

you can check levels here

https://nikke.gg/overload-equipment/

[shell hazel]

can't have it show the levels too much qol lol

[covert lintel]

x4 crit rate

[tropic summit]

nikke doesn't like players being happy

you should know about it already

[covert lintel]

I plan to do 20% crit rate 17%cs and 100% max ammo

[shell hazel]

7/7/5 for old

10/7/5 for new

take for now, damn atk on line 2 lol

[tropic summit]

you'd gain CP then on the new one

oh those are yummy lines, but no 3rd line

[shell hazel]

yeah

I think I need to keep rolling for more here, locking line 2 is rough

not sure if I want this. ele line 3

ele seems niche vs neutral atk/crit

[tropic summit]

it does add dmg on units vulnerable against her element if anything

[shell hazel]

I think line 3 needs to be one of the 4 I mentioned though ammo/atk %/crit rate/cs

I have some ele elsewhere for now, was just hoping to add a decent atk piece for the boots for now

[covert lintel]

If you only use vesti in pvp only you don't need max ammo above 100%

[shell hazel]

yeah it's basically pvp

it's fine the ammo will get rolled on the chest at some point

so keep rolling and ignore line 3 ele?

if I don't max the ammo still leaves 3 decent line 3 options I can fish for

atk %/crit rate/cs

[covert lintel]

Idk
I've seen other ppl talk about vesti better with ED here iirc

[vapid lake]

she can kill blanc noah siren mana and prolly some other wind unit if enemy careless

[shell hazel]

they have ED under ideal so I guess I can take it and temp lock for line 2 good line

[covert lintel]

But i want to make whoever atking me to gacha dmg, so i'll just do what i want

[shell hazel]

bah why no line 2 atk 😄

hm crit rate and gamba for atk line 1 next?

[covert lintel]

but if we have all those ideals, there won't be a line for essential

[shell hazel]

I think would have to drop 1 crit rate + an ele at least

atk x 4 seems essential to me along with the 2 ammo

I think I can just 3 rock roll now for atk line 1 it's the last stat I need

[covert lintel]

Oh fk this was my aim except ED

[shell hazel]

[leaden canyon]

I think vesti needs 4 cs and att for sure, you really only need two lines of ammo on her, I think the other two being ele is fine to kill fire weak quicker

[tropic summit]

now reset them to get higher values cuz they're kinda low

[shell hazel]

you can get away with less CS imo

2 x CS lines seems OK to me