pvp-arena

[tulip quest]

I suggest this team

Tho different people has different Ideal teams

[fleet skiff]

My Trina is lvl 1 right now and I don't like Emilia that much

Trina is hot though, I thought she was a cow Nikke first, but then I found out she was a tree?

[tulip quest]

Exchange soda with siren

[fleet skiff]

I have 1500 silver mileage, should I get more Centi from the shop?

[tulip quest]

Trina is worth it in pvp

[tulip quest]

nah

centi not worth copies

This team at least OL them

Overload Gear

[swift mango]

save it for when you get Noah. Or need to Treasure a unit

[fleet skiff]

okay thank

I don't think Centi has OL gear right now anyway

[tulip quest]

Ya

[glad meteor]

Are you on ch32 boss hard and cleared everything. Trying to find outpost level

[swift mango]

Check and compare your synch level as well as your current rank so we could realistically set a goal for you

[tulip quest]

If u like Waifuing characters

[fleet skiff]

Also not invested in her

[swift mango]

Barely enough for 90 cd and 1 battle to spare.

[tulip quest]

Build pvp units High rank in PVP = More gems every 14 Days MORE GEMS = MORE PULLS MORE PULLS = MORE WAIFU

[glad meteor]

I’m missing some levels

[fleet skiff]

I have only checked Rookie arena and the top players there are like 1.4 1.5 million power most seem to be 200 levels over me

[fleet skiff]

[tulip quest]

THATS A whale

can't help you vs a whale honestly

[fleet skiff]

I will put Trina in sync device when we get the free expansion slots

[swift mango]

Then just OL Emi, Centi, Rumani, Jackal, Trina, Biscuit, Blanc and call it a day. You can't really get really high with your current account. Those minimal improvements are enough .

[fleet skiff]

I made somebody become a whale in rookie arena back in the day as well, I slowly got strong enough (F2P) to beat the number 1 player so they suddenly got at 100k power stronger within 1 week

[fleet skiff]

Rumani, Trina and Buscuit are all lvl 1 so need to do it later for them, also OL or OL 5 ?

[tulip quest]

just buy expansion device bruh

I buy all the time

[swift mango]

Tell me when you started.

The event you started it. Or you could find account creation day in your Blabla account.

[fleet skiff]

but I don't want to when we get 20 free at the end of the month

[swift mango]

Just OL.

[tulip quest]

His trina not in expansion device

[fleet skiff]

When the summer event was ending and the first time Nier collab happened

[pseudo blaze]

can someone help me with my third team? my first team is Scar-Blanc-Helm-Emilia-Jackal and second team is Noah-Centi-Cinde-Anis-Rumani

[swift mango]

He could solve that himself later.

[fleet skiff]

Why is Rumani in that one twice? also Manchor is blacklisted for any of my squads I don't like her

[fleet skiff]

okay thanks

[tulip quest]

mistake

[swift mango]

Yeah, you are 100-150 level bricked. Just contend with being in diamond.

[fleet skiff]

okay

[fleet skiff]

Can I at least build nice squad for attack in Rookie

[swift mango]

Scarlet/your strongest dps(probably Rapipi)+Blanc+RH+HelmT+Jackal

[fleet skiff]

3 lines of my strongest Nikke

[swift mango]

Then use drunk Scarlet.

So long as she is linked instead of RH or Helm

[fleet skiff]

thanks also Manchor stays lvl 1 for me, I don't like her, is there anyone I can replace her with

[swift mango]

Scarlet+HelmT+Blanc+RH+Jackal.

OL Jackal if you didn't.

[tulip quest]

go with bay

[fleet skiff]

thanks

[fleet skiff]

For atk?

[swift mango]

You already have a good rookie team, the one that I mentioned invested. It's just your level being so low you can't possibly win against them.

Generally, anyone 80 synch level above you is out of your hitting range.

Check pin for CP deficit chart.

[fleet skiff]

[fleet skiff]

Guess I'm stuck in diamond 3-5

[umbral crown]

@swift mango

[valid inlet]

Find this team very hard to deal with, would love to know if anyone have a good way to counter?

[umbral crown]

Let me test that team in rookie and see what it loses to

But laplace bursting... interesting

[umbral belfry]

steal their emi and give her to me. that's how you counter their team

[umbral crown]

2.5 at much

But bay bursting means can be emied, sanis, Vesti, Ein

Have you tried nero team?

[shell hazel]

indom rapi or indom vesti should beat that, bay damage share can work against her here

[placid bloom]

you have to survive shots is the issue, you're eating quite a lot of shots before Blanc can indom even at 2RL

luckily they're bursting LapT so you have room to work with. Even 3RL Blanc Biscuit should clear. It doesn't matter who gets indom, they cannot get past your p1 wall.

[proper lantern]

I took a bit of a break, and everyone is way ahead of me in sync levels/CP, is it possible to catch up? Diamond 3 is around 2.1 mil team CP and I'm around 1.4 mil CP.

[valid inlet]

Ok yeah I tried a bunch teams only Blanc p1 w biscuit would work. Blanc / jackal / biscuit / Vesti / Emi

[worthy knoll]

Blanc Biscuit Trina RRH Rumani

Oh wait I guess Jackal is fine

Blanc Jackal Biscuit RRH someslowflex(that is linked to Jackal)

[umbral crown]

Yeah, thats what happens when you leave the game for a long while, you faill behind in all aspect for pvp

[valid inlet]

I tried a bunch Blanc p4 teams but It leaves a narrow window for Blanc indom to work while p1-p3 die at Vesti’s third shot.

So only Blanc w biscuit is more stable I guess

[umbral crown]

You need to buy core dust and the rest of resources to get around them but also your rivals gkept playing and got better lines, more resources like rocks, books and some stuff

[dim cove]

Hey everyone, I was wondering what I could do to improve my sp and rookie arena teams. Here are my unowned Nikkes and current team comps

[proper lantern]

I assume there isn't really an F2P way to catch back up in any significant way?

[umbral crown]

Not really unless some of them.stop playing but you can kep improving and you will grow again

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-madagascar-penguins-of-madagascar-cute-and-cuddly-gif-26546403

[umbral crown]

Is better if you could show us the units in horizontal mode sort by power only so we can see the investment you have done, you can have the unit but if not invested then that unit gonna die real fast

[dim cove]

I have a lot of Nikke and I have room to invest so I figured it’s easier for people to see what I don’t have but I’ll send what I have

[gritty ridge]

I took like a week break at the start of my account and caught up, but thats abt the limit of what you can do

[umbral crown]

In the end is not that easy because for example i told you use rosanna but she to be useful needs skills 7/10/1040 atk OL and max doll and i know most people do not have her built like that or Besto Vesti 7/10/7 with atk , ammo and Ele

[dim cove]

Gotcha. This is all of them that I own

[umbral crown]

Give me some time to pre pare the teams for you

[dim cove]

No worries. Thanks I really need to learn arena stuff a bit better later on my time. I just been super busy so I am clueless about the current meta, builds and just who to invest in

Bc I have the mats if I need to build someone like Trina

[umbral crown]

Yeah, eventually you will learn. Take your time

[proper lantern]

unfortunately I took a few months off so sounds like I'm pretty cooked. I'll see if I can stay in the game for a bit, still managing to hang around top 50

How do you get that horizontal view?

[gritty ridge]

Mobile?

[proper lantern]

I'm on the PC client

is it not available there?

[ripe smelt]

hey there fellas, how do I effectively send my nikkes because there are a ton

[dense kindle]

Wdym by send as in ss?

[ripe smelt]

yes

sorry,

[dense kindle]

Switch to Horizontal mode if on mobile, and screenshot like that
Should be in settings -> others

If on pc can try messing with aspect ratio in windowed mode

[ripe smelt]

shiet

cant send too many ss, that is not good

[wild hemlock]

What cube do people run on Cindy? Vigor?

[grand plaza]

What are the good SG teams for CA?

[grand plaza]

You send your nikkes but... didn't and anything

[ripe smelt]

wut?

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel why does it look like someone was corrupted by the holy grail?

[tropic summit]

bsoda drakeT B2flex ros noir

B2 flex any of the following:

poliT
naga
viperT (phase 2)
bay
blanc
xanne

the SGs should aim to have high atk% and ele atk%, particularly drakeT and bsoda

[tropic summit]

your highest stat cube, resil/bastion, but yes vigor also gives a tad more damage due to HP scaling

[fast nest]

Could swimsuit dorothy be for 3rd spot? Or one in the list are way better?

[tropic summit]

doroS is not ideal for SG team, because her burst gen is not clip SG tier

also doesn't contribute much even as B3, as her damage is DPS oriented, SGs prefer burst oriented

[fast nest]

I see

[short plaza]

is bay or Nero worth using or are there better options?

[grand plaza]

Hmmm thank you, Anne sounds more and more like an easy skip

[tropic summit]

situational, what is the scenario you're expecting?

[tropic summit]

she is, only has a place in CA

and even there it's situational

[short plaza]

none I'm trying to build a third competent team in SP because it's currently trash compared to my other teams

[grand plaza]

I am just not sure if there can be a future situation where sustain is too OP and she become a big counter

[tropic summit]

of the two you can prefer nero if you're building moran/nero/helmt variations
bay has her usage in particular on attack, less effective when used on defense

[tropic summit]

you can roll one copy, but considering how often they've rerun units like s.anis it's likely she'll rerun down the line years to come, atm she's not core in anything

[short plaza]

damn I don't have Moran, should I refrain from building Nero then?

[keen vapor]

She's core in electric team

[tropic summit]

well the whole point of using nero is stacking her DR to the max to reduce dmg down to 1, moran plays a huge part in ensuring she hits that threshold

[tropic summit]

we talking about xanne

s.anis was an example of units that rerun

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

But I MLB her

[short plaza]

I see that makes sense, since I probably won't be getting Moran anytime soon is there any team where bay shines?

[keen vapor]

Budget Noah

[grand plaza]

I guess luck will decide

The thing is I couldn't drop Vesti yet as well so pulling for her sounds better? I think I will skip Bade for now

[tropic summit]

anti nuke teams on 2RL, the variations are many at that point

here's 2 examples

the first team is sustain oriented and antinuke
the second option retains antinuke and offers your own nuke

the first option is ideal against jackal linked teams where you need an antinuke and your own snipe on link or high atk% unit
the second option is ideal to anti nuke and nuke back if opponent is indomless and does not run an antinuke on their own (glass cannons)

V1 needs bay treasured to ensure she has cover UP
V2 can run bay even without treasure

[short plaza]

the second team looks perfect but unfortunately my jackal is already being used in one of my teams

sorry for the lil delay I got timed out for the saying the f word

[tropic summit]

you could think of this one aswell

give vesti enough CS% and it becomes 2RL

[short plaza]

I'm also using noise in a different team but it's way more feasible for me to relocate her, thanks I think I'll use that one

[tropic summit]

that team would be actually quite strong as it has nuke, anti nuke and damage distribution, vesti shreds the longer they don't kill her so that also combos well

[grand plaza]

Rail I was thinking other day after seeing prywiden review and actually isn't poliT is pretty nice sg team b2 as pos4

[tropic summit]

following up on what @swift mango said poliT is best used in p3 or p4, with your main SGs right behind her

indom will give them extra time to land more hits before they're reached in p4 and p5

realistically although you'll have rosanna in p4 or p5 to avoid getting splashes in p1 or p2 (or p3 against emilia)

[short plaza]

is rumani good in other teams? it would make me feel better about building her if I can make use of her in more teams if need be

[umbral crown]

But you do not like mlb units

[tropic summit]

she's good in anything, clip RL burst gen tier and a B1 option

just build her regardless, you WILL use her

[short plaza]

nice now I just have to build bay and rumani

[umbral crown]

If you on pc in game , just send the units you have not from blabla. Thats how it works

As i far as i know , blabla is always vertical

[atomic wolf]

tag:

[atomic wolf]

ne*orare

mindbr*oken

[glad meteor]

[umbral crown]

☆☆ SP Defense ☆☆
Scarlet/LaplaceT/Poli/Red Hood/Jackal

Noah/Noise/Cinderella/Biscuit/Siren

SBS/HelmT/Blanc/Rapipi/Centi

[twilit bay]

Can someone help me make some teams for SP? Some guy keeps attacking me using gems
These teams occasionally work:
Soda, Jackal, Trina, Scarlet, Centi
Moran, Noah, Helm, RH, Emilia
Blanc, Mihara, Rumani, Biscuit, Cinderella

[dim cove]

Thanks so much. The “T” means favorite item right?

[shell hazel]

she looks good but her kit doesn't look that impressive to me, potentially a skip and a hunt for a better support

[umbral crown]

yeah, favorite item or treasured unit

[tropic summit]

oh so they ruined it

good thing i'm not playing that anymore, although looking forward to other kind of content it will spawn 🍿

[shell hazel]

my casto team is pretty good already and it seems they made her to work there

probably I go for cyrene or w/e is in the next/last 3.X patch

@hollow lagoon

[hollow lagoon]

Evil

[shell hazel]

that is still my fav outfit I think

first game I 100% in a while

[hollow lagoon]

My Eve is pertty nsfw so can’t show

[shell hazel]

I didn't mod the game

I know you can but I didn't lol

[hollow lagoon]

I didn’t even 100% yet

[shell hazel]

my last achievement was the get the new game + skills and I realised I can just reset my sp and use that to do it lol

[hollow lagoon]

I play a bit but I derp out and go do boss rush

[shell hazel]

otherwise I needed 20-30 more sp

oh yeah I should go kill scarlet

[keen vapor]

Aren't those teams too meta already

[twilit bay]

I'm just trying to find teams that can confuse them. Only one person attacks me and I want to wear them out so that they stop spending gems

[proven marsh]

Any counters/units for this team in rookie arena?

[keen vapor]

Here I hate this combo.... Wait, idk if your Scarlet has 32 or less

[keen vapor]

Blanc Vesti? Or Emilia Blanc

[twilit bay]

My Scarlet has 4 ammo lines lol

[limber rampart]

need someone help to make new lineup for sp arena im trinaless, noahless for a long time

[keen vapor]

Hmmmm

[twilit bay]

Aren't teams 1 and 2 a bit slow as well?

[umbral belfry]

you deserve to be shook for t2

[keen vapor]

I hate them regardless

I'm on deficit though

[twilit bay]

Oh, makes sense

[shell hazel]

you can 2RL scar without helm/emi

[swift mango]

shake him.

[proven marsh]

Who are the other units for an emilia blanc team? My usual emilia tean consists of: Noah, Biscuit, Emilia, Red Hood, T.Helm

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

Blood, I failed, now cook

[keen vapor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1026322546934698004.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=whyyysnapped

[umbral belfry]

you going for indom rapu?

[keen vapor]

Emi Blanc RH Helm jackal

Make sure Emilia is linked

[keen vapor]

Else just use Siren instead of RH ig, you'll stun Noah and..... Wait, that means Scar Trina Siren can take it down easily

Stunned Noah

[swift mango]

put your scar p5.

[proven marsh]

Dang, Emilia can't link Emilia because Hood and Helm have a higher attack stat. Who are the other 2 units for Scar Trina Siren?

[twilit bay]

For Snipers? That's what I usually do. Messed up the order when writing it down

[keen vapor]

Centi jackal? Or use Helm instead of Centi for higher CP

Just make sure your Trina is tanky enough

[keen vapor]

Cook 🫵

[swift mango]

you are rapuless as well.

[keen vapor]

Noahless, Trina less

Is over :deadge:

[placid bloom]

where is my Noah

[swift mango]

Do you have 20 higher than the ones you are fighting against?

[placid bloom]

this game peepee poopoo

[keen vapor]

There's no Bay either you can only do Scarlet crown RH centi jackal

and

Blanc Scarlet Alter Helm Biscuit Rumani

Switch Alter to Vesti when she's more built

What what hmm for

[proven marsh]

Thanks for the tips!

[swift mango]

his vesti already max doll.

[keen vapor]

Third row 🫵 I demand more firepower

[limber rampart]

didnt fully overload yet

[keen vapor]

I was right

[limber rampart]

we are same same but i need new def lineup when they feel bored with my old one

[tribal hollow]

Hey guys, probably missing something real simple here, but what's the approach vs "fastest burst in the west" Scarlet? Unless it is just Rosanna bonk with a team that's also 2 RL

That doesn't seem correct though, but I'm also stupid xd

[swift mango]

2rl indom vesti/ASS/SBS

[glad meteor]

Noise noah helm cindy jackal

[limber rampart]

I got sanis and altvesti yesterday

[keen vapor]

I was thinking on 2 RL Noah Siren

[keen vapor]

Yum

[glad meteor]

Siren against 2rl teams is inconsistent

[tribal hollow]

Thank you all

[swift mango]

Siren may not make it because that team maybe have high CS helm+feed making it 1.5-1.6rl, but Noah should.

[keen vapor]

Then why my enemies are sirening my defense :blancry:

[swift mango]

The Noise+Noah from K could be used in another version

Noah+Biscuit+HelmT+RH+Emi/Xmai/Lap(lap and xmaiden cases need quantum)

[keen vapor]

[keen vapor]

Is this Vesti resistant?

[swift mango]

Erm... Could swap Biscuit to p5 to be safe, brush with helmT still. Could use Noise p2 instead of RH if you wanted to stall more.

Against Vesti it's investment and synch level sensitive.

[keen vapor]

Not for me then...

[swift mango]

Also, you may want 3rl Biscuit, as it block their 2nd volley entirely.

[keen vapor]

Use Moran, got it

[swift mango]

Noah+Noise+HelmT+Biscuit+Rapu/Crown/Maid mast I guess.

Moran also a defender so need to move out of p1-3 to evade accidentally taking the first biscuit.

in case you use her.

no need to if you are sure moran won't trigger biscuit before Noah burst ofc

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor what was the matchup giving you trouble btw?

did you get to defeat it or still taking Ls?

[keen vapor]

This with some differences, Vesti for RH
And liter Drake for siren Emilia

[bitter cipher]

Didn’t reply, hold up

Late, but it worked. Did the first one

[swift mango]

if Noise is take the taunt here you could just RH bursting both link.

[tropic summit]

completely ignored moran, beautiful spaghetti code

wonder when SU will ever fix attract taunt types on defense

[swift mango]

rapu you could use SR to avoid giving her stun. or just kill her in 2rl.

scarlet team is standard beat it with rossana, 2rl blanc or noah.

I think your problem is still getting lv gapped.

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor throw something at him

how dare he speaks like that to you

[keen vapor]

I've been doing the later with Rapu

Rosanna huh? Yes, I'm level gapped and CP gapped

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/offer-money-yen-cash-anime-gif-17868124

[swift mango]

We are same synch level and he started 4 month before me.

[tropic summit]

he's doing it on purpose to prevent himself being 1st every season

[swift mango]

60 level bricked discount.

[tropic summit]

really 60?

that's not just 🧱 that's super 🧱

[swift mango]

to the common f2p peeps that's no level up fast like me it should still be 40.

[tropic summit]

level up fast but then broke and can't even roll banners

a different kind of 🧱 altogether

[keen vapor]

Why he looks like Araragi Koyomi

[swift mango]

That's more about luck then the small gem I spent on outpost.

[keen vapor]

Tbf, it seems like I started on same week as check, he still got 20 levels more than me if I unhoard

[tropic summit]

https://anidb.net/anime/12814

[tropic summit]

so we call "being drunk and mad" luck now eh

[tropic summit]

♿

did you ever took breaks tho? just progression diffed?

[keen vapor]

I didn't gemmed events when starting

Not to mention my lack of meta units for the first 6 months

Was using centi for campaign back then

[tropic summit]

oh i see

that sucks

[swift mango]

If I got most of my banner unit at exactly 50 pulls, the average then have should still have 1000 mileage and hundreds pulls to spare.

[swift mango]

I also didn't gem 2-3 event at start.

[swift mango]

My Elegg was my main burst 2 for 2-3 month until I got Crown on her banner. And my main dos was Sugar+Drunk scarlet.

[keen vapor]

I 3-4

[keen vapor]

Crown at 6th month

[swift mango]

It's not 40-60 level worth

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

pretty sure i also didn't gem at least first and second event

[swift mango]

Maybe because you opened box early and stuck at 160 wall long time.

[tropic summit]

my wall lasted at least 1 month

but support units back then were very helpful to push 9 stages a day

[swift mango]

Plus not clearing Campaign fast at the begin. All of that snowball

[swift mango]

We start right around the time they started giving out support units. So the beginning was smooth

[tropic summit]

exactly

let's get a second round of support units locked at synchro 900

[keen vapor]

3 months*

[tropic summit]

the f2p killer

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

The requirements would be getting to lv881.

[swift mango]

Me 0 days.

[tropic summit]

haha... see you in a few years

[swift mango]

I got to 5 max lb just as my 2nd or 3rd unit hit 200.

Was planning to break the wall with free MLB during crown event but ended up 3-4 weeks earlier than planned

[lone sequoia]

160 wall like for 3months (?)

[tropic summit]

wall PTSD is real

[mellow wing]

Can someone help me making good teams for pvp?

[gaunt pulsar]

first hand experience rn for me still can punch level 200-210 at SP arena though but sucks that i can see majority of my competition getting lucky and breaking it

[shell hazel]

the 160 wall is so dumb they should just remove it by now

[gaunt pulsar]

dont even wanna count for how long i'm at it, but at least a month already for sure

[lone sequoia]

rail cook, i only prepare shoe lace

[gaunt pulsar]

love the names

[swift mango]

Being like me getting lots of dupe of already got units but bad luck with getting any new one. Break wall early. Noah/Jackaless to 1 year in. Broke and still missing 3-4 pilgrim after 1.5 years.

Including Rapu

[mellow wing]

yea its german T.T

[lone sequoia]

have you hear about the liberation system? that is SU solution...

[mellow wing]

huh ?

[tropic summit]

can you throw jackal in synchro and get her to 4/4/4 on R doll?

as she could open up another team

[shell hazel]

just liberate then spend silver mileage mlb

[mellow wing]

yes i can try

[gaunt pulsar]

I did 330? or more in Sdoro banner in hope of breaking the wall pre-emptively and using her as easy 5th slot, didn't even got 4 copies, had to buy one with gold tickets not to mention that it didn't really helped with wall much , after first 150 pulls it was miserable, rn though i'm close, but probably will have to wait until the end of the month for guarantee molds and cope there will be someone

[tropic summit]

naga trina cindy maiden siren
sbs mari rh noir jackal
auto (put any high CP units leftover)

next objectives:
wishlist biscuit, noah, centi, rumani, noise, RRH, scarlet
treasure helm asap, phase 2, s1 lvl 10

ping again this chat once the above are found and ready, even just noah and biscuit alone

[swift mango]

You mean the one that you need to farm union raid for 6 month to get one unit to MLB?

Maybe it work for no pull account if they ever get an union good enough and willing to take them it.

[mellow wing]

Ty so much for your help!!

[gaunt pulsar]

i've started at mid sora banner, didnt even liberated base Quency yet, 2950/3600, but already got overspec one

[tropic summit]

you welcome m'am

[lone sequoia]

yep, that is how SU "fixed" the 160 wall... you have to wait* years to get a mlb unit there or you wait 6months to get a free mlb unit

[swift mango]

That just alt version Quency, not Overspeced

[gaunt pulsar]

right, wasn't sure how to classify her

[swift mango]

On the bright side I think you only need 2 month to get one MLB now with the new union raid if you could join a day one union.

[lone sequoia]

3 months at least for one of the first 3 units, nihilister is 20k(?

i wonder if we will her alt one day

[heavy hearth]

What are some good counters to these teams? I don’t have Emilia or noise

[tropic summit]

the first one can be stalled, the second one needs to be counter DPS'ed

or you can siren it as it's a non 2RL

[grand plaza]

What is a common counter team against stall teams on spa?

Usual nero moran helmt etc.

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left

[tropic summit]

blanc is a direct counter as it denies full DR stack, else double buff scarlet can still 1hitko

another option is vesti, as she denies DR

[swift mango]

I have been getting lucky these days. I guess reaching brick attainment improve my luck a bit.

[grand plaza]

It totally negates it?

[swift mango]

[gritty ridge]

Rail can you give me suggestion on who to invest next?

Biscuit, noah, jackal done

[tropic summit]

do i've a crystal ball and know your entire lineup by heart?

show le box

[gritty ridge]

You know i have basically every standard character

[tropic summit]

"standard" yet you're running indom Bready

[gritty ridge]

Well cuz its cool

[tropic summit]

noah and trina on blue doll, go give them love

[gritty ridge]

I have no purples that aren't sg rn

I have I think 5 purple sg dolls

[nimble swan]

I could use some help in timing vs vesti indom

[tropic summit]

either way noah, trina, centi, noise, vesti, rumani, rapunzel, s.anis, drake, rosanna

priority on vesti, noah and rosanna imo

[gritty ridge]

Yeah noah just needs purple doll, 4 overload pieces already

[tropic summit]

if you're running RRH indom on 2RL against a 95% to 2RL vesti, they're 2RL

you can control opponent burst timing with that

click on this thing to see the % you feed with that team

on a very general idea, the lowest feed team is 3%-4%

[gritty ridge]

Surprising, I thought youd put balcn high prio

[tropic summit]

balcn? who

blanc you mean

blanc can work on 4/4/4 blue doll

[gritty ridge]

Yeah

[tropic summit]

you should regardless raise her down the road because you'll need the CP

[shell hazel]

we discussed this a bit earlier, you have to watch out for vesti shots landing around 2RL before you can burst

[tropic summit]

you're gonna get rusty, then quit out of boredom, that's their 4D chess strat

[shell hazel]

this should be good (watch for drakeT on def hitting p5 as well)

[heavy hearth]

Thank you king. Any suggestions for my def teams?

[swift mango]

My CN whale just got into that trap for 1-2 months now.

[shell hazel]

but rapi instead of vesti lol

[tropic summit]

hmm they look pretty good atm

[heavy hearth]

Box

[nimble swan]

Yeah my team died but i made another, that should have worked but rapi had too much hp bc of cores count. I should tune hp with cubes

[tropic summit]

you could turn around and make vesti into 2RL indom instead of 3RL

[lone sequoia]

is that a 2.5~2RL cindy rh team?

[shell hazel]

vigor on the other linked dps can usually fix that

[shell hazel]

lucky my whale still fighting for spot 1 lol

[keen vapor]

[tropic summit]

2RL via quantum

[nimble swan]

Alright tx, I will try tomorrow. I used helm in another team but i can manage i think.
The real issue is that i’m back to daily lose defense then attack back..

[heavy hearth]

Yeah first two teams are 2RL and the Vesti is a 3RL

[lone sequoia]

i always forget that helm have more burst gen than a clip RL

[shell hazel]

been there a while

[swift mango]

My whale and Gemmer dolphin both getting lazy now. The rest of my bracket as well, less war going on

[shell hazel]

I can't def there is no point I just snipe back at some point

[lone sequoia]

1 rh pierce (cover) to make the things more interesting

[shell hazel]

I think I'm on track for SPA 1 again even so, booba guy needs to whale more sync

[nimble swan]

I went 2x seasons without losing defense but this guy built his teams in the shadows waiting to retaliate. He’s always picking me since the beginnings.

[shell hazel]

hmm he's not in a union 3rd guy weird, he still playing?

[nimble swan]

Your issue was sync gap so his def worked?

[nimble swan]

Cherish this time

[swift mango]

Still playing daily but haven't open box for 2+ months now or even clear new campaign chapters.

[shell hazel]

I can't def too much sync/core gap

[shell hazel]

maybe they sold the account and new owner is

[swift mango]

I wanted c2-3 to hit me so I could test teams hitting them back. My top 3 are uncontested anyway.

[nimble swan]

Yeah I can understand. I just got defeated today after a long time.
I don’t really have an idea yet what defense I should build. Since Vesti things got problematic

[shell hazel]

if my sync/power was similar I'd probably put more effort into changing my comps for a bit of competition

but think my whale can just brute force

they fielded a team with over 800K power lol, luckily it was just in my range 😄

my main campaign team is like 745K atm

[nimble swan]

What’s the sync gap now? 20-30lvs?

[shell hazel]

still 30

[lament quartz]

Wanted to see if maybe I can upgrade my teams a bit.
These are my current teams. Is there a way that I can make them a bit better, or this is the best I have so far still? This is my BlaBla with my NIKKEs
https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/home?uid=MjkwODAtOTAxOTcyNzk5MjQ2OTgwNDczOA%3D%3D&openid=MjkwODAtOTAxOTcyNzk5MjQ2OTgwNDczOA%3D%3D

On another note..What's a good team against this one? I tried Scarlet, THelm, Trina, Siren, and Jackal, but it's just not doing it. I can def reach it with my power, but not sure what to change to get them

[nimble swan]

Yeah that’s not easy to deal with. Would be fun if you meet him in CA

[shell hazel]

I did before, I beat them in the finals when I won it lol

a few seasons back

[mellow wing]

[nimble swan]

Omg you right it was against Booba

[shell hazel]

yeah 😄

I'm considering my crate strategy and whilst I have enough cd/bd crates to get say 3 more levels, I don't have enough credits to do it without dipping into them a lot

[nimble swan]

This Tenshi guy, the Rei lover was also interesting.. he just got into thr bracket and won 1st time

[tropic summit]

see if you meet CS% requirements for these ones

#pvp-arena message

the immediate fix would be to avoid using B3 or B2 in p1
scarlet can stay p1 as long as she meets ammo requirements

the last ideal fix would be to remove SG feed

it would also improve your def to include vestiTU and siren

as they add a layer of difficulty

[shell hazel]

we merged with people from above

some higher folks in our CA now

[nimble swan]

Ngl I would whale for a few levels if I was getting forced out of top 4

[shell hazel]

well that is not an issue as such

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-slamming-card-on-table-gif-21126320

[shell hazel]

I'll probably just maintain the 30 sync gap as long as I can

if they start +1 level per day though lol 😄

[lone sequoia]

a whale in my sp is 1 lvl every 2 days, 717 right now

[nimble swan]

Good luck in that

[glad meteor]

Sync 485 d3. Day 1 player

[tropic summit]

one of the main contributor for this surely

[lament quartz]

I guess I can try this one since I don't really have Rapunzel
Didn't know normal Soda was good for PvP

How do I check the percentages again? I've honestly never used that
I do have Siren and Tactical Vesti, but Vesti isn't super built rn. She still doesn't have OL and not sure where to put her

[lone sequoia]

thanks for the 4k body label

[tropic summit]

yeah soda has a tauntable stun, it can be tedious against noah players who don't know what they doing

[lone sequoia]

wait

were 10 or 20 tickets

[tropic summit]

you probably already used them

[glad meteor]

it was just excuse for free pulls

[lone sequoia]

10 tickets; only 2k body labels

[tropic summit]

as for percentages, they're CS% cumulative lines, you can use this to make it easy to calculate as you can put them for each unit https://nikke.work/

[lone sequoia]

i'm playing at 35% deficit against that guy

if i close the gap to 28% i can beat him

[cunning crown]

I'm nostalgic for battle history like this

[tropic summit]

actually, wouldn't surprise me if it's the real reason

[swift mango]

Man I loss the hyper_pregnant_man emoji.

[cunning crown]

somehow mordor convinced isengard to start dinking me too

[vocal kelp]

man, Im been player a year and half and still dont understand the arena at all

[shell hazel]

I can get 385 pretty soon, and I have cd/bd for +3 levels beyond this, so 388 if I push my resources, still leaves me with a gap to 401

[vocal kelp]

I really want to learn but it seems to complicated for my pea brain

[nimble swan]

I told you it was. But it got me on a train of pulling for BAde until I went bankrupt

[shell hazel]

401 is what I need for the main cp push and for the next hard mode chapter

[glad meteor]

Yep

[glad meteor]

Time to get broke for milk soon and milked for collab

[nimble swan]

Can’t wait for it

[swift mango]

Or 8000 because you pull a max core Alice.

[tropic summit]

start from this:
https://nikke.gg/arena-mechanics/

then read this for the top units:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1R6qzhnPx85kEoYidYUs-K0hJy61APMQGj5nRSgdvRUU/edit?gid=0#gid=0

finally, once you've grasped a clue, mess with this to understand burst gen:
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

get familiar with the main 3-4 archetypes

2RL anti nuke
2RL glass cannon
2RL stall/sustain
2RL indom

videos attached to showcase each

in less than an hour you should be able to essentially win 95% of the matches with just the above

[fast jetty]

how do i outcook
scar 2RL into 2RL noah maybe bad but what other team does it really go to?

[vocal kelp]

😭 🙏 Thank you, Ill try to understand

[tropic summit]

T1 you can deny their indom and just use any nuke (siren, don't use her in p1 or p2 due to vesti), alternatively skip
T2 just need a DPS behind a p1 taunter + biscuit or indom, indom vesti here would work for example
T3 glass cannon, you need to deny their nuke on 2RL then just outDPS, similiar to T2

[shell hazel]

you sent scar into noah though ballsy move 😄

[fast jetty]

didn't realize it is 2RL 💀 watching TI rn.

[lone sequoia]

i don't have c7 units

[shell hazel]

likely feeds to 2RL yeah

[swift mango]

This is either very outdated. Or Keripo doesn't even acknowledge Soda even with all the CA champs she is racking. Just like Prydwen.

[tropic summit]

it's outdated, but it has most knowledge needed for hitting ch ranks

[lone sequoia]

and more body labels are always good because the last time i used this was during mother whale solo raid

[tropic summit]

keeping them for nikke 3.0 i see

[lone sequoia]

like 8 years to reach the cap

[fast jetty]

how do i out cook this? i have this comp that works but only about 80% of time

[swift mango]

Even I have Alice max core.

[fast jetty]

this is saved for weekly 20 missions. trust

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit rh helmt jackal/rumani

[fast jetty]

nice, gonna cook something based on that later today... or tmr cause i got esport to watch 😭

[lone sequoia]

2 factors... i only pull during limted+pilgrim banners and my luck is really bad

[tropic summit]

lucky you can watch esport tomorrow, i gotta work instead

[fast jetty]

TI today then rest 4 days
also work tmr 💀 despite unemployed

[lone sequoia]

my worst streak is 547 pulls without ssr

[fast jetty]

you even track that holy

[lone sequoia]

i track my rocks xd

[gaunt pulsar]

how do you do weekly without pulling social point banner?

[fast jetty]

save the useless unit to break 1 every week / 5 gift

[lone sequoia]

53 drops this month (22/30 days)

[swift mango]

You could get 1 max core for free with the standard banner pity.

[lone sequoia]

i used those tickets to get treasure

and i still need 1 dupe to get bay treasure- 136/200

[swift mango]

There is no Liter, Naga or Alice treasure.

[fast jetty]

719k vs 905k cp gap... but got this

[lone sequoia]

i save the spare body to finish the mission

[tropic summit]

did biscuit hit 2 stacks on noah?

[gaunt pulsar]

insane behavior

[fast jetty]

i do the same ez

why bother upgrading useless unit

[swift mango]

It's normal, I have 20+ spare body for 20+ weeks

[lone sequoia]

my WL have only units that i don't have mlb, because i'm near my sync cap

[grand plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-smile-creepy-haha-matrix-gif-17389141

[fast jetty]

not sure but i will upload my replay

[lone sequoia]

good luck trying to get 4 atk/cs -3/ele or 4 atk and 8 crit

[swift mango]

Near your synch cap?

[tropic summit]

lmao

[fast jetty]

but just saying the CP gap is 79% instead of 85%

[tropic summit]

let's move biscuit from that p2 shall we

[fast jetty]

you said noah biscuit i took it literally

but true i think this happened in my prev biscuit before rip biscuit

[tropic summit]

yes but she's generally not dying like that

[grand plaza]

You think I am still trying to get those things

RRH will be the only character I will try to get 12 lines once I got her, and thats because she is super meta + 2 elements at once

[pale knoll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1335026462264266802.webp?size=96&animated=true

[tropic summit]

is she on purple doll and vigor/temperance?

[fast jetty]

on vigor lv5, blue doll. RL doll too rare

[tropic summit]

my god why is she on blue doll

[fast jetty]

put it on vigot yesterday to try to break that vesti comp but my point is too low to fight that vest like wtf 💀

[tropic summit]

try

noah trina rh helmt biscuit, this should enforce 2 stacks on noah and you'll live enough to finish em off

[fast jetty]

maybe i gotta upgrade now

maybe the SR doll should be on bay/raven but raven isn't use in last union raid somehow

[swift mango]

Yeah, I guess. We are your parents.

[tropic summit]

oh you've vesti that's another option

stick to the RH as we've it already benchmarked anyway

[lone sequoia]

yep, check the number in your synchro device

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/loli-anime-police-gif-14012832

[swift mango]

That's some insane stuff to happen if you are f2p

[fast jetty]

gonan do that tmr, used up my tries

[tropic summit]

important lesson of today: give your utilities love

[swift mango]

Rupee isn't underage.

[tropic summit]

[fast jetty]

swipe to win 😵‍💫
the doll system is RNG f'uped

other dolls: 4-7
RL: 1

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/lewd-rinne-no-lagrange-anime-the-flower-of-rin-ne-gif-18252762

right in front of my pg13 family friendly salad

[shell hazel]

combine dolls?
nah, I'd win

[fast jetty]

I'd save

[shell hazel]

what the hell are you going to do with 20-30 of each blue doll?

[fast jetty]

true, what to do with them other than getting niche pvp unit

[shell hazel]

combine dolls?

[fast jetty]

prob just combine :

wait till one day i have good rng

[shell hazel]

I try and keep 2-3 of each around but I won't get enough units that need them that I can't just get more later for

[vocal kelp]

Im sorry, what 2RL means? sorry if is a dumb question

[shell hazel]

if you kept say 5 of each blue doll then you can still combine dolls 25 times, that is potentially a ton of doll materials you could use now

you can also take 3 purple dolls and make a new purple doll selector, you can do that a bunch of times as well

you have plenty of dolls with which to make new purple RL dolls with

[tropic summit]

nothing is dumb, feel free to ask

there's generally 3 main speeds a team can have

2RL, the fastest
3RL, the average
4RL, quite slow

there's another useful speed which is 2.5RL, this one allows to hit B1 when opponent on 2RL is on B3, specifically if you're running noise or moran it can still allow you to facetank a nuke

these speeds are obtained based on the units that contribute to burst gen, in particular the ones attached in this screen contribute to it the most (clip SG and clip RL, with helm being an exception due to her procc)

to find out easily the speed your team or opponent team has, you can use this tool and just throw in the nikke
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

in general, if you're running a nuke or anti nuke team, you want to either be faster (e.g. 2RL scarlet vs 3RL noah) or on same speed to catch it (2RL noah vs 2RL scarlet)

[shell hazel]

RL isn't a measure of time necessarily here it's a measure of how long it takes a normal rocket launcher unit to fire 1 rocket

[tropic summit]

a team is nuke resistant if they can either face tank it (2.5RL DR teams) or catch it (2RL noah and bay typically)

[fast jetty]

but do i want to SR 15 doll the biscuit?

[tropic summit]

SR5 biscuit is good enough, SR15 is prefered

do not go straight into SR0

[fast jetty]

i see

just do that to get more HP anyways

[shell hazel]

more cp as well

higher doll makes her tankier + more cp for your team

[tropic summit]

not just higher HP, higher damage reduction too

[fast jetty]

yeah need that skil

ig o7 my new SR doll

so noise should prob have this as well

[shell hazel]

[fast jetty]

alll MLB compared to my 0LB biscuit

[tropic summit]

0LB is fine, get them the dolls

[shell hazel]

I jest a bit haha

biscuit + jackal + noah are good ones to SR-15 if you can't get to everyone

[tropic summit]

Hippo is a filthy 🐳 so don't consider him

[fast jetty]

smells 🐳

[shell hazel]

I was only a little whaley 🙁

i'm f2p like @umbral belfry

[tropic summit]

yes the two best f2p in this channel

[shell hazel]

Hime def beats me though lol, she's higher sync than I am and she started after me

[tropic summit]

Hime is Super f2p

[swift mango]

https://tenor.com/view/mckinley-whale-big-gif-3873017581534036627

[shell hazel]

impressively so

[fast jetty]

i am super f2p except for when i swiped for that stupid monthly core. it is dumb

[shell hazel]

anyway Sage-san you have the tools to actually do more with your dolls, if you just combine most of the blue ones and merge the purple ones for selectors

or you can hoard them for nikke 3.0 😄

[fast jetty]

true

hoarding them as always

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/childe-genshin-impact-credit-card-tomozumi-gif-21316897

[fast jetty]

otherwise i'd invest in alice ein and stuff

[shell hazel]

25 combines may even give you enough to get one or two to SR-15

it's clear your utils/batteries need more invest

[fast jetty]

I hoard them thats why i can get my vesti to SR 15 in 1 minute

[shell hazel]

I actually also did that somehow lol

[fast jetty]

thats true the tank need more HP to survive esp for this 80% CP gap

[shell hazel]

can usually SR-15 something on a solo raid

[swift mango]

30 blues. Easy.

[fast jetty]

^the gacha god

10 pull c6 vesti

[swift mango]

They automatically reward you one more Vesti because you are so good.

[shell hazel]

I whale these

4500 gems + 10 core dust crates per day

[fast jetty]

yeah thats the monthly core stupid thing i talked about

[shell hazel]

300 cd crates in a month

[swift mango]

I have 25 sr15 now. Only Alice, DKW are obsolete now for campaign and arena.

[lone sequoia]

like 60+ lvls every year (?

if you hold and use at a higher outpost lvl

[shell hazel]

nah not even close

[fast jetty]

we are talking about $180 per year

[lone sequoia]

what is your outpost lvl right now?

[shell hazel]

88 is my current rate, so it's less than 3 levels per month

[fast jetty]

thats whale domain tbh

almost expensive as chatgpt(?)

[swift mango]

My synch cap isn't even close btw.

[shell hazel]

$240

[fast jetty]

i actually did the dophin math but i later realize it is not worth it

[lone sequoia]

i'm sync 607 and i still have like 1 campaign update more

[fast jetty]

basically $6-$9 per level

[swift mango]

What is your cap?

[fast jetty]

btw in this math you'd want to wipe out 2 times a day which is a lot of click

[lone sequoia]

2 boost

[swift mango]

You mean 607/609? Screenshot or liar.

[lone sequoia]

and i already have core boxes for 621+

[lone sequoia]

sync boost (+20-21lvls)

[fast jetty]

he not lying

also no point encourage people to be whale in this game 💀

[lone sequoia]

you can use those extra boxes at a higher outpost lvl to get more "free" core dust

[swift mango]

Look fine but some probably did wrong here.

[shell hazel]

yes only not much more gains to be had here

401 sync I can probably reach end of chapter 31 hard, otherwise it's the 2 new chapters periodically for normal

so 401 would boost my cd/hour to like 89 instead of 88

[lone sequoia]

i need more units and mlb, the few random dupes i get are for units i don't use and are already mlb

[swift mango]

• core also increase the level cap though.

[shell hazel]

I have a mini collection going for when the new molds come along

not on the level of 20K though 😄

[lone sequoia]

lb* only

[swift mango]

New mold? We only have extra guarantee mold from tower. We don't have CN gold mold brought over.

[shell hazel]

the shop is being updated so we can buy the new type of molds right?

from the body labels

[swift mango]

They don't bring gold mold from CN over so nothing new to buy.

[umbral belfry]

🐟

[shell hazel]

oh I thought that was

[glad meteor]

Save

There shud be a better mold at least

[shell hazel]

well either way I need to wait anyway

[lone sequoia]

yep

[shell hazel]

i'm waiting for more stuff to hit ordinary recruits

[lone sequoia]

free manufacture molds from past lvls+the new mold in the shop

[shell hazel]

social ones are low chance but I might luck a unit or two I am missing with them

[swift mango]

They only said we would get extra guarantee molds from tower. That's it.

[shell hazel]

that wasn't my understanding

[lone sequoia]

old/current rewards and the discount purchase are the same (old ssr mold)

[glad meteor]

Have you been spending body labels

[swift mango]

Saved 60 pulls and got nothing. Probably nothing in the last 100.

[shell hazel]

mostly it's nothing I agree, I have 120 for now, will just keep going for a bit

nothing I really need from the social ones for now anyway

[lone sequoia]

120?

[leaden canyon]

So I forgot to record it but I managed to get two wins

[shell hazel]

social pulls

[lone sequoia]

to get body labels?

[shell hazel]

not only reason I want more missing units in ord recruits also

[glad meteor]

Believe

[shell hazel]

I have 40k also 😛

-# finds video where guy opens 10 pilgrim molds and gets 0 SSR

[lone sequoia]

less than 18k body labels

[lone sequoia]

that will not happen, i use them one by one

[shell hazel]

it did happen to someone

was posted on reddit ages ago 😄

[leaden canyon]

@tropic summit round 1 and 2 won, 3 lost. crown and alice die and then rapunzel rez alice and cindy on ememy team and my cindy end up being the last ones left alive and my cindy dies

His teams are those

its in order of my screen shots for the rounds

I still cant believe that rosanna team wins that lol

I was just like, lets see...

I wonder if that round 3 can win if I invest more into rapu burst so alice has more HP when coming back

also I might change crown to nero

[swift mango]

Now use them all to gain back more body label. Or upgrade your research.

[keen vapor]

@swift mango like this?

[swift mango]

Their team isn't 2rl, just wipe it with 2rl tbh.

[keen vapor]

I need to 2 RL his Scarlet

-# Surely 90% will do

This doesn't leaves me more options

[swift mango]

Just use my 2rl helm set up would be better in this case tbh.

Could try Moran+Biscuit+Anis if you didn't.

[keen vapor]

Blood, my experience with feed is that when I do attacks is never enough on my end

[swift mango]

Burst with Noise in stead of RH in your indom team.

[keen vapor]

Now that messes up my Indom

Why you sabotaging me

[swift mango]

Noise+Blanc+Scarlet+Centi/Trina/xMaiden+Jackal

[keen vapor]

Too low CP

Blood this isn't CA

[swift mango]

Well, I will need to check your box now.

Forgot I could do that.

[glad meteor]

Moran bisc anis vs double buff scar?

Or vesti comp

[keen vapor]

And 40 level diff

Even Moran Bay makes more sense

But Bay's even lower CP

[swift mango]

Where is the 3rd enemy teams? Just show it. Don't be shy.

[keen vapor]

I'll fear biscuit double defender comps till the end of time

[swift mango]

Just Noah+Biscuit it.

[keen vapor]

He's the one doing that and enemy SBS against my own Noah Bis is ded sentence

I ain't investing endurance cube

[swift mango]

This is like the easiest team ever to beat. Low CP and SBS

Cindy+Blanc+Biscuit+flex+Rumani

With endurance cube to manipulate lowest def to be Blanc should beat them flat.

[glad meteor]

Noah bisc Besti food

[vocal kelp]

what does CP means?

[keen vapor]

I'm using Blanc for Scarlet round baka

[swift mango]

Not when then over level you. Could ended up with Noah survive on biscuit and your Blanc timing end. Noah+Vesti more guarantee sure

[keen vapor]

My vesti hasn't got atk line

[glad meteor]

Old school emi issues

[glad meteor]

elemental cube ez

[keen vapor]

Combat power acronym

[vocal kelp]

I see, thanks

[swift mango]

Noah+Biscuit+Vesti+RH/Siren+Noise+Drake should work fine here.

[glad meteor]

Back in the old days could use moran bisc sanis variant

Noise jackal is annoying though. Makes sbs a little tankier with biscuit

[keen vapor]

Take a look at #1259866797490966559 btw

[keen vapor]

I rather Siren first team

This SBS team clearly is far from being the easiest to beat

[vocal kelp]

oh, im sorry

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Merely a suggestion for a non-used-enough guide

[swift mango]

It's easiest to beat.
In their 3. Because lowest cp and clear counters.

[keen vapor]

It ain't

Have too many traumas

[swift mango]

I already checked to give you team with the most cp and not touching your scarlet team.

[keen vapor]

Kisama

[swift mango]

Time to kick your useless trauma to the trash can

[keen vapor]

You know that sireing first team is actually brain dead

[keen vapor]

I won't

[swift mango]

They have higher level, your siren could be counter to death.

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

Could change crow to drake for more CP

But her buff is low

[vocal kelp]

can someone review my pvp arena teams? are they good? should I use other units? Im kinda lost and want to learn

Im still lost on what RL and all that stuff means, but Im trying to learn

[swift mango]

Maid mast work fine in this case.

[swift mango]

Another approach would be just 3rl Indom rapipi the vesit team and 2rl Noah the Scarlet team.

[swift mango]

And why is your scarlet still 20 ammo bricked? You clearly doesn't want to do better in your arena gameplay at all.

[keen vapor]

2RL Noahing Scarlet team was my first approach
It worked until it didn't (until it padded more)

[keen vapor]

I don't control what lines I'll get
-# Soon elemental ||is CS ||

[swift mango]

Noise+Noah+Cindy+helm+Emi

Is as high as your CP could be.

[swift mango]

But you have the perfect roll for Rapipi. Your scarlet look like it didn't even eat 20 rocks.

[swift mango]

If you wanted even more CP.

Noise+Noah+HelmT+Drake+LapT

You don't have any other team with more CP than this.

[keen vapor]

It's not perfect until it gets 3rd ammo

[swift mango]

This is actually your highest CP team.

Use LapT if you wanted to be safe.

[keen vapor]

Noise dies

[swift mango]

Their is some series problem with your investment if Noise just die.

In 2rl

[rotund karma]

When building pvp units for cindy can I party with this comp?
Cindy,rouge,Sanis,blanc,RL(flex)

[swift mango]

But fine. This also 2rl

[keen vapor]

Nuh uh

[lunar pawn]

you red now

[swift mango]

Or put Adjustant cube on Noise so scarlet would hit p2 Noah instead.

After 1rl

[rotund karma]

What comp then?

I dont have rh and crown

Also I need comp for alice and sbs too

[keen vapor]

Unless you actually intend it, is an absolute bad idea to put Cindy first

Also even with the best battery as the flex unit (Helm) the team is too to get to burst at all

Also rouge utility for Cindy is focused on extended battles where you B1 multiple times, not 10 seconds fights

[rotund karma]

I think missing alot of pvp nikke like biscuit and jackal

[fast nest]

You can put whatever you want if your CP is super higher than any other opponents.

[keen vapor]

Noise almost dies

Then again, we have that team with Rumani and Biscuit instead but I'll never put that on defense

[keen vapor]

See? It's right there but I ain't picking it

[swift mango]

You can't comparing Scar+Helm dmg to Vesti+RH.

The later deal much more in 2rl

[keen vapor]

Kisama

[keen vapor]

I don't need more damage when I'm already killing them

[swift mango]

Their teams are just easy to beat their CP aren't even high.

[keen vapor]

@rotund karma you still reading the chat right?

[rotund karma]

Yes

[swift mango]

You mean slow Cindy? It could work for awhile until the figure it out.

[keen vapor]

And I'm telling you that Biscuit double defender + trying to defeat SBS with Noah Biscuit are my worst PVP nightmares

Noah Biscuit is a very inconsistent match in CP/level deficit

If I'm not in deficit on one thing I am on the other

[swift mango]

It's the most consistent match up in level deficit especially with healing what are you even taking about.

There was SBS bugged last month I guess you got some trauma from that because SBS one shot your unit.

[keen vapor]

Good, is important to learn from multiple sources, not just trust first answer you get

[keen vapor]

I got trauma since early 2024

[swift mango]

[keen vapor]

Learn from Blood

[swift mango]

Maybe cause you used S.Anis and her dmg suck.

[rotund karma]

I'll try some teams will be posted here and counters for meta team

[keen vapor]

Summer Anis still meta on 2025 we just saw it a week ago

[swift mango]

Not against, Noise+Noah, not when you are level and not when she isn't even buffed.

If you used S.Anis it's better to be Moran+Biscuit+S Anis, so she could heal and Moran+Biscuit already negate SBS.

At least biscuit offer her some dmg boost, Noah give none

[keen vapor]

I should test Anis indom weekly to check how's she's going

[swift mango]

Btw, you could just use RH to kill linked Noise+SBS, if Noise taunt over Noah.

Easy win

[keen vapor]

How I'm supposed to put RH ever on P2? Using biscuit? Isn't team slow enough already?

Noise is linked

Feed will always get that team faster than 3 RL

[swift mango]

Their SBS team is 3rl if you don't feed them much... Double skill bug is fixed so it's not 2rl anymore.

[keen vapor]

Always

[swift mango]

So long as it's not 2

2.5 is still 3

[swift mango]

The cheapest Cindy comp is slow Cindy.

Cindy+Blanc+Biscuit+Rapipi/Midhara+Rumani

[swift mango]

Also, just use Endurance to manipulate DEF. I have beaten SBS team with 4rl Centi/blanc+Biscuit before.

You don't even need taunt....

0 x 100000 = 0

SBS team in SpA is basically free win because she can't deal DMG for the whole 10 seconds if you had biscuit.

[polar isle]

make team for mehh

i just got noah

no cindy no scarlet no rapi and rh TT

[keen vapor]

Moran Anchor opportunity

[swift mango]

You are level bricked. So you would still be diamond even with the best team

[keen vapor]

How you.... Ah, Mihara skin from some months ago....

4 could be worse

[swift mango]

Max core Midhara and Moran skin even before that I think.

[keen vapor]

5, you win

[keen vapor]

Where are your core dust cases

[polar isle]

gone already

[keen vapor]

And what level has people in diamond 3

Nikke level

Never account level

[polar isle]

I feel like I just want to retire, my luck is really bad, I can't get Cindy/Scarlet or Rapi Red Hood

[swift mango]

Could go with this and auto the last

[swift mango]

Oh nice. C8. Should be fine I guess.

[swift mango]

This to be safe from Vesti. Rumani and Blanc could swap.

My lazy ass could only do minimum build now. @keen vapor cook him 3 team

[keen vapor]

Where Moran Anchor team

@polar isle

[polar isle]

thanks everyone

i hope i didnot get beated TT

[crystal flicker]

Useless Blanc

Bad Cindy placement

Too slow T3

[maiden hare]

Hmm okay, if i switch rumani and blanc with noah and biscuit should be okay?

[covert lintel]

If it's for defense
Change rumani to another linked nikke
Some people with vesti attacking might fail to breach your defense

Trina p2 is for a trap

[maiden hare]

Looking to make it my attack and defence since it's been a while since i changed

[maiden hare]

Oh so trina doesn't have to burst to help scarlet?

[quick lake]

typically either burst with Trina or Blanc. Both in the same team is not the best for scar

[spiral onyx]

Soda is good for CA. The doc is outdated and needs a full rewrite for CA. I was planning on doing it this weekend but I'm in bed atm with a fever so probably next weekend if nothing pops up

[tulip quest]

Woah fever get well soon bro

[quick lake]

Slightly better. Can refer to pins for more team ideas

[keen vapor]

Soda not good for SpA confirmed

Do not use Quantum on Helm, use on Maiden ins.... That Scarlet Alter is gonna die

Guess Maiden will burst but I doubt she will get indomitability from Blanc

[maiden hare]

If i put quantum on maiden the team is still 3.5 is that ok?

[keen vapor]

Damn

[maiden hare]

Yeah i front loaded my first 2 teams so hard to get lower on third

I could put helm on team 3 to make it 3rl

But that makes my team 2 3rl too

[mystic rain]

can someone explain to me how mihara sac works in pvp

like is her chains targetting also random or only hits a certain amount of nikkes

[vapid lake]

Put mihara p1 let her die then rest of your team stalls until mihara's DoT kills the enemy team

[mystic rain]

yea i tried

siren trina centi barely took dmg

is there a quirk to her kit?

[vapid lake]

Afaik no

[mystic rain]

so is there any reason why they took 0 dmg from chains or am i missing something

it was scarlet burst so no helm lifesteal to counter dot if it even applied in the first place

[keen vapor]

Bug?

[mystic rain]

[vapid lake]

afaik the only mihara bug is the one that causes her to one shot everyone on the enemy team when revived

[keen vapor]

What's your Mihara investment?

[mystic rain]

10-7-7

[keen vapor]

Overload?

Doll?

[mystic rain]

3OL sr5

[keen vapor]

I'm going to guess no attack lines

[mystic rain]

do i need specific overload lines for her chains to actually hit or smt

[keen vapor]

Supposedly not

[mystic rain]

like bro u can look at the battle log centi literally took 0 dmg

no deficit either

im jus confused cuz like where is her dmg man i keep hearing abt how mihara sac is a sleeper op meta

[keen vapor]

Maybe Helm and Scarlet got 5 and 5 of her 10 chains?

[mystic rain]

so the chains only hit random?

arent they supposed to apply to everyone

[keen vapor]

In theory you should need only one chain on each enemy to get them stacked to 20 when Mihara dies

But if those 2 got the only chains Mihara has well.....

[mystic rain]

how does mihara apply chain in pvp again?

like she has chains at start of battle

[placid bloom]

at start and on death

[keen vapor]

10 is 10, you shot 10 and that's what you get

[mystic rain]

1 bullet per chain??

[keen vapor]

Not really

Just a form to put it simple

[placid bloom]

on average 2 chain per char

because 10/5

[keen vapor]

"Average"

[placid bloom]

yes average

[mystic rain]

oh so the chains target and stack on random then

not everyone

so its possible to get 20 stacks on 1 unit?

[placid bloom]

if she dies

anything that already has at least 1 chain insta goes to 20

[mystic rain]

ah

[placid bloom]

her start of battle cannot get to 20, it's just 10 fixed

[keen vapor]

Bellum wasn't listening :blancry:

[mystic rain]

so 10 at start, and it applies a random amount of chain on a random amount of units

then anyone who has chains get 20 max if she dies

and those who dont get chain, dont get additional dmg

so the 10 at start really is random then

[keen vapor]

Tbf you got the best possible targets down DPS ded is good, just need actual relevant units on Indom

[mystic rain]

my main issue is if mihara chains are inconsistent/unreliable in actually doing dmg to everyone

thats kinda ass

[placid bloom]

it's pretty unlucky if you miss someone tbh

unless it's specifically Cinderella

cuz decoy can eat chain

[keen vapor]

Cindy the strongest 💪

[mystic rain]

tru

however im cindyless

😭

[keen vapor]

A HMMZ AGAIN

[keen vapor]

Don't do Mihara sacc then

[mystic rain]

slow blanc cindy isnt the only mihara strat out there

[keen vapor]

SG team?

September 7th seems to be the day for this comp huh

Good job @swift mango I still won't use it, Mihara too low CP

[coarse lake]

decoy is a separate target

so instead of hitting 5/5, you now gotta hit 5/6

I've had a fight where it went 3/6, tbf that was with noise noah, so they prob taunted a few of the last ones

[thin abyss]

Is there any way to manipulate target priority? Like instead of attacking P1 start with P2 or P3

[gritty ridge]

Yes

I asked yesterday for some spa cooks and I got ignored

[keen vapor]

@umbral crown you lied to him

[gritty ridge]

Yeah, yonexxi lied

[keen vapor]

-# tbh it also takes me a day to cook at times

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

There's two ways
Cinderella on P1 bc her Decoy has some weird interaction that makes the enemy team to skip to P2

The second is using a taunter (Noise, Noah) but that'll only affect enemy P1-2

[gritty ridge]

Does Emma taunt whole team?

[keen vapor]

Ah, I knew I was forgetting someone

[keen vapor]

Yes, she does
-# From reading skill 1

[gritty ridge]

I didnt know if it actually worked

Pvp is weird sometimes

So you could theoretically taunt whole team to p5, but i dont think it would really do anything for you

[keen vapor]

Better to double check with @coarse lake

[gritty ridge]

Oh yeah, eon ran absolute trio didnt he

[coarse lake]

yes

but has a slight delay

not very useful atm, bc using eunhwa cancels the taunt

first sg shot and first shot of other fast firing nikkes won't be taunted, but future shots will, so delay is fairly noticeable

[keen vapor]

Forgot to mention a very important detail about modifying target priority

If enemy rocket launchers are affected they'll splash one more of your units and consequently they'll generate more burst gen, resulting in enemy bursting faster than what they were supposed to

[thin abyss]

Is it true that equipping 4 adjutant cubes ruins targeting while defending?

[keen vapor]

No

[thin abyss]

Ok cool thanks

[gritty ridge]

Echo do you wanna cook for me?

Id cook for myself but ive got tunnel vision sometimes so I get stuck in easy spots

[keen vapor]

That happens to me too often when I have to attack someone in arena

Talking with Blood truly helps me to fix that

[gritty ridge]

Thats why I come here when I get stuck, I just need someone to point out the obvious things I miss

[keen vapor]

If I didn't talked with him about Check's defense I wouldn't have realized that I could use Siren

[gritty ridge]

I forget abt blanc all the time

Despite using her in my defenses as a staple

[leaden canyon]

welp rounds 1 and 2 dont win anymore but upside is I got round 3 to win

his cp on round 1 went up by 10k and he put vesti and helm towards the back in p4 and p5 are the changes.

I cant help but think hes lurking in here

thats exactly what he needed to do

I can almost actually full burst scar blanc hood trina jackal into round 1, I need to live like 1 second longer on scarlet

burst goes off but right when blanc bursts scar dies

[keen vapor]

What about using team 3 on round q

Will need to swap Alice to Summer anis ig

[north brook]

Dont u want bisc to protect one of the teams from cp gap, and nero moran for the other

[leaden canyon]

nero moran gets stunned siren stunned because its not 2RL

[north brook]

I mean for the 3rd

[keen vapor]

But that's not Nero Moran

Is Nero Rapunzel biscuit

[north brook]

1st is bisc

[leaden canyon]

ik

it might win round 1 but I doubt the other team will win round 3

[north brook]

Prob defender on p1 and p5 and bisc scar mbe, can stall that other team which cant even burst

[leaden canyon]

all good I figured it out

wont say here because I actually suspect they might be lurking here

If you want to know I can dm but otherwise thanks for the tips.

[north brook]

Pure cp teams just lose to invuln or 100% dr, as long as the gap isnt so high that u instantly die or opp autos oneshot your team

[leaden canyon]

btw what should nero and moran be at for investments, also rapu

I got nero 7/7/7 and moran 10/7/10, rapu is 7/7/4

[north brook]

think nero needs s1 maxed, and s2 helps to be 10 too

[regal garden]

How are these 3 builds

[mystic rain]

nero moran doesnt mind if nero gets stunned as long as moran bursts and ur nero getting healed for dmg reduction

[mystic rain]

nero doesnt want biscuit invul since she can make herself tank anyway she just needs healers to proc her s1

which is her dmg reduciton

ur making an already tanky unit be immune which is kinda moot

diff case from like noah cuz noah doesnt have anything to protect herself till she reaches burst

[leaden canyon]

its because the team is at deficit

granted I have not tried it with biscuit not there but its already winning so I'll just leave it for now, but thats something to think about

[mystic rain]

17% deficit

moran nero can tank that

lmao that team ur nero is up against desont even have a b1 or b2 its just cp team

moran nero will shit on that 100% percent