pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

weird they must not have much CS if any on the cindy comp

[gentle harness]

I think he has very shit investment on most things.

[shell hazel]

wait no doll on biscuit 😄

[gentle harness]

Spent too much time unchallenged at 1.

[shell hazel]

Hime do the wut da hell thing please

[swift mango]

Certainly this whale only invested in Arena after CA existed. CA served its purpose.

[glad glade]

Is he one of the unlucky ones where he hasn’t won yet?

[swift mango]

3 times winner.

[glad glade]

Yeah that makes more sense

Knowing casino arena, I wouldn’t be surprised if something like that has happened before

[umbral belfry]

200k scar

[swift mango]

He is month one whale, synch 900+ with everyone max core.

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

not whale clearly says f2p

[swift mango]

F2P btw.

The undisputed top 1 Union in SEA full of F2P.

[shell hazel]

skilled individuals who don't spend money and only play well

[gentle harness]

You're still f2p if you're using someone elses credit card, them's the rule.

[glad glade]

You’re always f2p in your heart

[lone sequoia]

imagine, you spend your time trying to make good teams just to get stat diffed by some max core whales at recycling room+300~400

[glad glade]

Tbf, the nature of casino arena allows you to beat that whale through a full counter despite the investment difference

[lone sequoia]

that only work if you counter him with multiple teams that don't need dmg pre-burst

[dim sapphire]

i thought cheering folks are getting smarter with their choice, i guess i was wrong

[onyx scaffold]

@lusty gull gib credits

[lusty gull]

[fathom rock]

Is that enemy rh you mean

[gaunt viper]

May I please have a suggestion on beating this comp? I tried with what ive got but only t2 wins

[coarse lake]

give up on t1, t3 make it 2rl

or just swap t1 and t3, and swap rh with siren

[gaunt viper]

Swapping did not work interestingly enough 🤔

however

[coarse lake]

cindy prob sniped you faster than you could nuke her

[coarse lake]

oh that somehow worked, dicy on the misindom tho

oh they had 11%+ cs on their cindy team

[gaunt viper]

Yeah honestly was 😅.
How should I better solve it do you think?

[coarse lake]

soda, but they prob have decent odds of sniping scar before you burst anyway

I assume you ain't got penguin rei built enough to use

[gaunt viper]

Penguin rei? shes actually useful? I never built her tbh

I didnt think it would be this dire honestly

[coarse lake]

2rl blanc jackal should do fine still

[gaunt viper]

I could get and raise Vesti but im not sure how to utilize her

[coarse lake]

prob fine with this, just need to make sure sbs is lower hp than link, prob trina

[umbral belfry]

[gaunt viper]

Genuinely, thank you very much. Ill try this next time I need to and let you know

Is vesti good enough to summon and use in pvp rn or just wait till she comes to regular recruit banner?

[shell hazel]

she's great but depends how much resources you have

vesti is not arriving in ordinary wishlist with the update on the 4th so it would be a later update, maybe the next one

[coarse lake]

yes

[shell hazel]

at the latest you could expect to get vesti with the ny selector

[coarse lake]

if you want to compete in pvp, vest is a must-pull

[strong mulch]

how good vesti compare to emilia?

[lone sequoia]

just more raw dmg

[glad meteor]

Moreconsistent against that noise noah rumani bisc cindy team too

True damage ignore the defence is nice too

[gaunt viper]

Alright then I will. who does she normally sit with/replace?

[keen vapor]

Ok Eon, I did it

I maxed Maid Mast Doll

[gaunt viper]

my maid mast doll is maxed tho too

[keen vapor]

I have another week to decide on pulling

[strong mulch]

how to do vesti pvp team comp?

[keen vapor]

I know I know

Anchor did come late by 3-4 months after Mast

[gaunt viper]

Im wondering the same thing

[signal hull]

Best pvp Vesti teams is something I'm looking for as well.

[coarse lake]

go pull emma and eunhwa

[keen vapor]

Don't do this to me I already lost 3% raid

[placid bloom]

[copper creek]

huh?
how

[keen vapor]

Mihara with no ele wasn't doing as good on Miranda team

[copper creek]

why miranda

[keen vapor]

Miranda treasure is meta

[copper creek]

liter+grave+asuka+rei+modernia
crown+rapi+siren+mihara+helm

2 teams would have got 3% on global/NA

[keen vapor]

Lie

I just told you, no ele

[shell hazel]

kuwon rapu worked good btw

[glad meteor]

what you do with rocks

[shell hazel]

same vid as earlier sorry other peeps 😄

for kuwon 🙂

[placid bloom]

Rapu is double healing

[shell hazel]

yes 😄 pure bug arena

[leaden canyon]

How much cs does vesti need for burstgen increase again?

[shell hazel]

I think she'd still do enough even without double healing

[lone sequoia]

seasonal buff

[upper harbor]

Thanks for the help both @glad meteor and @shell hazel The Trina Cindy worked and the Vesti team worked well. Still gotta try Scarlet comp, but at least locked in 1st for this arena. Vesti was only 5/9/6 so the ult was a lot less than it couldve been.

[lone sequoia]

more than 10 or more than 22 (2nd/ 3rd shot) but you want dmg on vesti

[shell hazel]

oh your jackal actually got burst in before siren stun, I thought jackal may eat the stun

so you could swap jackal/noise position and burst with noise instead

[glad meteor]

Hope its consistent. Noise is hanging on

[shell hazel]

purely jackal bug 😄

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/emilia-rezero-rambling-silly-gif-12258895905377246546

[shell hazel]

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeahhhhhhhhhhh rail is back!

[tropic summit]

who ded?

[leaden canyon]

Yeah I got damage on her, just trying to get the cs rolls

[shell hazel]

we thought bigboi had killed you

[keen vapor]

Emilia

[glad meteor]

Jackal bug is so annoying. Overlooked by shift up. Watch them not do anything next patch

[tropic summit]

catching up on anime and VNs, there's nothing to do on nikke anyway for the next 40 synchro levels

[glad meteor]

Time to auto kraken

[umbral belfry]

rail is home

[shell hazel]

yeah that and the other double bugs

[shell hazel]

just gotta hang with us here sometimes 😄

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-bed-hikikomori-gif-9352883

[umbral belfry]

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/nobara-kugisaki-nobara-pizza-megumi-mejumi-fushiguro-gif-9218558036360380021

[shell hazel]

[lone sequoia]

molds update in 3 weeks?

[umbral belfry]

that gif is us

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/mahito-curse-pure-cursed-energy-hands-jujutsu-kaisen-season-2-shibuya-incident-gif-2105771465983770562

Goons

[umbral belfry]

goon hands

[leaden canyon]

Anybody got an ideas for a new defense? nothing I try has really been working

[fathom rock]

Guys is cup an underdog

[fathom rock]

Your cindy team 2.5rl?
Hmm
Try swap laplace for tac vesti

I wonder if you have the level gap to run sac on rosa

[worthy sorrel]

they've actually been cheering against me this whole season

[leaden canyon]

nah its 3RL

I cant really do anything different there

[worthy sorrel]

i think they just go by commander level

DPX is a monster though. that ratio looks about right

[fathom rock]

and no cs

[leaden canyon]

fighting somebody that cp gaps me so noah just falls over without biscuit there and I need rumani there so fuill burst goes off when noise dies and noise is there to tank the siren stun

Would it be better to shove vesti in there instead of cindy?

idk where to fit vesti honestly

[fathom rock]

You can try use her with noah, she can also fit instead of laplace or get her own indom team

[leaden canyon]

The problem with the indom team, doesn't she need the cs for it to be 2RL?

[fathom rock]

Or you can give her jackal and pray ig, scar can run jackal less

[fathom rock]

Jackal vesti rumani blanc lapT/xmaid
Scar trina siren/rosa centi emilia
Nero moran helmT rapu lapT/xmaid

2rl/2rl/2.5rl

Just need to check vesti lowest hp in link

[leaden canyon]

she should have lowest

[umbral belfry]

believe in 🥧

[fathom rock]

Nah cup says the ratio look right

[umbral belfry]

🗣️ BELIEVE IN PIE

[worthy sorrel]

think i got a sliver of a chance. requires some rng though. on t3, mihara needs to stack chains on units who matter and on t2 soda needs to not stun noah

[fathom rock]

By believing in pie this mean trust in cup but trusting cup means I won't vote him cuz he said ratio right as in against him but that means I don't believe him winning so uhhh

[fathom rock]

Rng™

[north brook]

Not sure its possible to defend when cp gapped

[worthy sorrel]

need everything to go right for me where DPX just needs one thing to go wrong. so

[leaden canyon]

would mana be better than xmaid for the helm stall team?

[leaden canyon]

I did it once with a weird cook but he beat it next attack

[fathom rock]

It's a def you can rotate and experiment with def till you find what works but with mana have cs on rapu and helm for 2.5rl

[north brook]

Yeah at best itll be like that

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/kitasan-black-kitasan-umamusume-uma-musume-pretty-derby-and-heres-the-yapper-gif-12895719817624764806

[north brook]

U throw them off and they just do something slightly diff and it works

Maybe need to trust in soda rng stun to throw them off

[fathom rock]

People with high pvp knowledge and invest win 90%+ their attacks anyway no such thing as a working def 100%

[frank spear]

Buy more attempts?

[fathom rock]

I am excluding whale methods

[frank spear]

I get attacked 5 mins after i took their spots

[leaden canyon]

Thats what I'm dealing with lol

[covert lintel]

I'm gonna beat whale when cs 17 on centi&anis are finished
Idk when tho, these 3days i got no rock at all beside the box

[keen vapor]

They finally learned to work together hi @violet spoke how are you on this day

@coarse lake clarify something, I get that Vesti is very good on PVP, but she won't improve defense or is it?

[wicked horizon]

Who do I cheer for?

[coarse lake]

she will

[keen vapor]

How

[violet spoke]

Doing okay somehow

[wicked horizon]

I think the 3rd fight is clearly going to bottom, and the 4th fight is clearly going to the top.
The rest I'm a bit less sure about.
5th fight Blanc indoms SBS and surely she wipes enemy team after Noah's invuln is over? Especially with RH buff.
First two are very unclear to me.

1st fight, both burst at the same time, when someone dies. Probably dies on top size, then Rosanna wipes 2? I guess bottom has a higher chance to win, since they got a better early aggression with Naga?

[coarse lake]

indom vesti, sustain vesti, even trio vesti if you want

[keen vapor]

Could you help me by following some instructions?

@clear vessel you up? I need Check on C4

[violet spoke]

okay

[wicked horizon]

2nd fight both burst at the same time, Helms target each other, top helm gets revived by Mana, bottom helm doesn't die because Bay tanks the damage. I've no clue who wins the sustain race afterwards. Top has nero and Mana which gives more healing, but bot has Maiden, which gives more damage, and also Bay still helps to distribute the damage, leading to later deaths...

[keen vapor]

Trio Vesti isn't easy to pad I can't even pad Soda and Rosanna correctly

[coarse lake]

then just run indom or sustain vesti

[clear vessel]

Ya, now?

[keen vapor]

It'll be better

[clear vessel]

Cool, one sec

[keen vapor]

He may moved his defense a little bit

[clear vessel]

Yeah I've been burned too many times so I always pay attention now

Oh crap he has Vesti

[keen vapor]

to be fair
I skip that team

[clear vessel]

Okay I think I may have it, let's see

[keen vapor]

Guess it really improves def....

[clear vessel]

His Vesti team is taken care of. But I can't break through Scar team (P3). Best shot is P1 but my Emilia is dying too soon. Best idea I have is to change Drake for Noah maybe?

I can also just brute force it. I should have a team that gaps by 20%

[keen vapor]

That's how I attack I can't be sure if your Emilia has higher total attack than Drake tho

[clear vessel]

She 100% doesn't, so that's why then

Aight, CP gap it is

[keen vapor]

4 attack lines Drake?

[clear vessel]

No just REALLY bad rolls in Emilia

[keen vapor]

I mean, the reason I use Drake is bc more CP and extra buff

You're higher sync, you'll be fine with Centi instead

[clear vessel]

Though Drake does have 2 high ATK lines

[shell hazel]

xmaiden or another clip RL

drakeT also high feed

[clear vessel]

Xmaiden good call

[shell hazel]

her gen numbers are the same as draket but as defender won't link unless you have her with like 4 black line attacks lol

[clear vessel]

I wish

Xmaiden worked. Check in C4. Thanks!

[keen vapor]

Ok, Woogie.... Didn't invest Emilia

[shell hazel]

@violet spoke invest your elf girls

https://tenor.com/view/emilia-re-zero-gif-21336385

[keen vapor]

@violet spoke what should we do

Wait, your Summer Anis ..... THAT YOU DON'T OWN
You have Summer Neon

[keen vapor]

Maybe SBS God comp can counter Cindy Noah?

[shell hazel]

there is no biscuit may work

or send vesti / vesti indom

[keen vapor]

Definitely better chances without Biscuit for check

[keen vapor]

I don't think he has tactical Vesti

[shell hazel]

[keen vapor]

But SBS yes

[shell hazel]

or rapi

[keen vapor]

Should work

Only needs buff and enough speed

[shell hazel]

rapi feeds jackal a bit though

[violet spoke]

umm actually

[shell hazel]

core 1 vesti!

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

[keen vapor]

Oh my gotto
Vesti The Besti

[shell hazel]

vesti indom at the right speed should just win that then

or if you got noah and noise available similar team to opponent but vesti instead of cindy would trade better after noah ends

[keen vapor]

How's the combat power on a mirror match with Vesti?@violet spoke

[shell hazel]

it depends what other units you need elsewhere, if you got spare biscuit you could go like

noah noise vesti biscuit jackal

[violet spoke]

We are talking about round 1 right

[keen vapor]

Yes

[keen vapor]

Good enough, would advise to use Biscuit variation instead

[shell hazel]

biscuit one is safer just need to not require biscuit on another team

or run the indom version

[keen vapor]

But.... Is it fast enough?

[shell hazel]

let's check

[keen vapor]

92% at 2.5.... maybe Laplace better

[shell hazel]

jackal feeds both sides though

[keen vapor]

F#$@

I forgot I use Noah against Scar for easy win

[shell hazel]

you can run cope bay against scar

rapu version no biscuit needed

assuming the links are right, no CS really considered, but speeds should be similar if both teams have similar CS investments

main thing is you want to b2 before their b3 cindy lands

[shell hazel]

what is their scar team?

[keen vapor]

Trina RH

[shell hazel]

you can 2RL cope bay it

or flip xmaiden/helmt around, biscuit stops them dying at p1/p2 before scar can counter them

[umbral crown]

Usually he was doin it when i was awake, most he stayed was around 2-3hours when i was working but the normal time he held it was 15 mins at muh but noe he is C7 for some reason

[shell hazel]

bay at 2rl p3 or p4 should just catch the scar nuke

[keen vapor]

How's CP with this team? @violet spoke vs Scarlet

Wait, where's his Maiden

[shell hazel]

this should be tankier ish, depends if you want to burst with helm or not, if they lack things like noah they won't live long after scar nuke fails

if you lack xmaiden can use any clip RL with helm at p2

just need helm not to die more then 😄

cope bay with no OL and 4/4/4 skills is fine for this btw, as long as cp in range

[keen vapor]

Helm with tempering

[shell hazel]

2rl scar/trina/rh shouldn't have much in the way of splash anyway

[shell hazel]

scar and rh are both single target

[keen vapor]

RH buff tho

[shell hazel]

rumani immune from biscuit

you need more cp

[keen vapor]

Bay has overload?

[shell hazel]

make sure bay has a doll on

not doll, cube

[keen vapor]

That too

[shell hazel]

also blue doll if you have a spare

[keen vapor]

Cube

[violet spoke]

no and iam broke rn...

[shell hazel]

but yeah cube will help some

[keen vapor]

Guessed it

[violet spoke]

Depending on luck i should have enough for max doll should i?

[shell hazel]

max blue doll or max purple?

[violet spoke]

max purple

[shell hazel]

quite expensive, I'd probably consider SR-5 as you can blue doll + blue materials then swap to SR doll?

SR-15 for treasure later maybe

[keen vapor]

Do you like wallpaper? she won't improve at the same level as Helm

[shell hazel]

yeah I have in mind to treasure mine at some point but mine is on R-0 doll still 😄

you could also consider if you have a better swap out for say centi, like trina maybe higher cp

you'd possibly get more value out of SR-15 biscuit than bay at the moment unless you want the treasure

[keen vapor]

Or maybe we could use Laplace here

[violet spoke]

I mean iam sitting on a pretty large stockpile

[shell hazel]

jesus lol

start with SR-5 blue doll imo even so, it wouldn't take more than 200 ish blues normally

[keen vapor]

1700 :deadge: 🪦

[shell hazel]

see how the cp looks then

and give her a cube if she lacks one :p

LapT does work just dislike throwing too many attackers in front of helmT potentially

your core here though is rumani biscuit tanking p1 and bay preventing scar nuke

helm is mainly here for burst gen but she's effective at counter sniping too

[umbral crown]

Saving for End Of Service?

[keen vapor]

Purple/gold looks normal...

[umbral crown]

If thata normal.to you....

[violet spoke]

No i just get really lucky when i do spend

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

30+SR15 dolls?

[keen vapor]

You waste everything instantly

[umbral crown]

Its never a waste

[violet spoke]

21

[keen vapor]

It's a lot

[umbral belfry]

whatcha waiting on

[umbral crown]

You should hace more

Your mats waiting to be used

[keen vapor]

Oi

[umbral crown]

Its what i was wondering

[clear vessel]

Dang you did get lucky I have 21 SR+15 and nowhere near that hoard

[shell hazel]

I have 23 SR-15

sync 382 😛

[violet spoke]

Did dolls come out b4 you started or after?

[keen vapor]

Waos

[shell hazel]

they were in the game when I started

was playing from cindy banner so a bit under a year

[violet spoke]

I was able to raise the cp to 931317

[shell hazel]

record and send?

which version are you sending on the cindy?

[violet spoke]

centi

oh mb

Change this right?

[shell hazel]

that should work, I'd send rapu instead of lapT if your cp is still good

she'll keep healing you up nicely after noah ends

[keen vapor]

Bay needs to be before other B2 remember

[shell hazel]

but that should work fine even so, just less sustainy

yeah the order showed centi on the end which is right, it's why it's rumani helm bay first

[violet spoke]

It takes a massive dive bc my laplus is like 80k more than my rapu

[shell hazel]

you can noah p2 on the vesti team, once she's had a burst cycle she's done anyway

[keen vapor]

Normal rapu, not pure one

[violet spoke]

[shell hazel]

as long as it's still over that it's good

if not then send lapT one

[keen vapor]

Oh....

Mb

[shell hazel]

but put noah at p2 want her to tank post noah cindy shots a bit even if she dies

[violet spoke]

so noise, noah, vesti tac, jackal, lapT is the order i should do?

[shell hazel]

that should be fine, any variation works here more or less

[keen vapor]

Yes

[violet spoke]

Should i be putting quantums on anyone specific

[keen vapor]

Jackal...

Centi....

Rumani

[shell hazel]

not needed but yeah usually batteries are best

jackal probably has the highest quantum value in the game due to how her link feeds you burst gen

[keen vapor]

@clear vessel did Check hit you?

[shell hazel]

the vesti one a bit dicey haha 😄

[keen vapor]

Noise on the verge of death bursting just in time

[violet spoke]

I almost quick battled it but some how managed to swap it last second

[shell hazel]

even if you do you can usually replay still from bottom left

rapunzel would likely make the vesti one a lot less dicey

if you had her with enough cp to stay out of deficit

[keen vapor]

Tbf jackal can burst as well

[shell hazel]

she can but noise is a better burst for overall team hp

I'd consider running noise/noah with tempura if you send that again

rapu instead of lapt would likely make the link noise vesti jackal as well so noise would be much tankier

and rapu heals everyone on the link

the scar comp was good though, I've run that before, main thing to be wary of is enemy running ros because your Helm is very dead

[clear vessel]

Not yet

[keen vapor]

Now

What should I do after I hit XP

[clear vessel]

While I have @keen vapor here, sync 521 really is the magic number

[umbral crown]

I do not remember the sync i was when i has that amount but you know its about luck and having the mats

And not hoarding for EoS

[keen vapor]

Oh no too much padding for me

60 level diff

[umbral belfry]

@valid inlet poli success. gl if you're still in!

[karmic smelt]

Good luck with them rolls

[valid inlet]

Grats!!! I think I have a good chance to go to final this season, I hope I could meet @coarse lake , it will be interesting and it’s unpredictable to me , both of us run Indom Mihara and Absolute trio

My p1 Poli SG team might get backs**t by Eon’s defense SG

[umbral belfry]

my condolences for your unavoidable backsh*ts

[hollow lagoon]

hime you let me hace meth rocks today

how kind

[umbral belfry]

this is your only free day zant

then it's back to

[valid inlet]

I still don’t know which one is better, p1 or p5 it’s situational I guess? If attacking p5 Poli SG meet defense p1 Poli, p5 Poli will get reverse backs**t

Actually I see many p1 Poli in our bracket to is season

[coarse lake]

I need ppl to cook up versions of sg and nero moran that can beat the updating meta, bc those 2 are kinda doing ass rn

[umbral belfry]

I dare not take the risk of putting p1 poli but i see it too in the toddler bracket. I saw one p3 poli

[valid inlet]

I think my Moran Noah team is a better version of Nero Moran

[coarse lake]

if you're going p3 poli you might as well run viper

[untold tapir]

What should my 3 PVP teams look like?

(My main Campaign team is Crown, Liter, RRH, Alice, THelm)

[hollow lagoon]

[coarse lake]

what has it lost to

I think it still loses to the same things nero moran lose to

[umbral belfry]

[valid inlet]

It survived Secret’s SG backs**t tho, better than Nero Moran already

[coarse lake]

with your noise?

[valid inlet]

I ran p3 Poli last season didn’t feel its doing anything

[umbral belfry]

then you know what must be done

[valid inlet]

Noise tanked and died but the rest survived

[umbral belfry]

protect yourself from backsh*ts

[coarse lake]

did rosa snipe not kill

[valid inlet]

It relies on dmg reduce from Noise, Noah and Moran plus tempering cube

[coarse lake]

ig you can recover since rh prob lives the snipe

[valid inlet]

Slower Noise will taunt and hopefully draw Vesti attacking p5 and Moran can survive

Yeah my RH survived Rosa b1

[coarse lake]

I don't trust that, only some vesti will be tauntable

also moran isn't dying to vesti, even trio

I fought a min invest nero moran (80k cp), moran lived

[umbral crown]

This tbh

[umbral belfry]

[crystal flicker]

It's always Crit rng

[keen vapor]

I have Moran invested

[valid inlet]

My trio just fought a well developed Nero Moran but won

[umbral belfry]

I wish I could run trio

[coarse lake]

who died in first barrage

[keen vapor]

You can't?

[crystal flicker]

He can

[umbral belfry]

no emi, and no emma

[crystal flicker]

I just realized Hime is Him(e)

[umbral belfry]

I could get emma rn but I'm saving my gems for reruns

[umbral belfry]

[umbral crown]

[coarse lake]

yeah moran lived just fine

hmm you won bc your vesti was lower atk than lapt

I think my vesti is too juiced for that to happen

[crystal flicker]

That doesn't look like full invest Nero

[coarse lake]

nah it is

eunhwa has dmg taken

[valid inlet]

At least it’s SR 15 and probably 4 OL

Based on its CP

[coarse lake]

I was actually considering throwing noah in there instead of lapt

bc honestly I don't need lapt, at least until ppl start running scar jack again

[valid inlet]

That may do it the point is to tank Vesti burst

[coarse lake]

no I mean on vesti team

if it was xmaiden with bug, you prob would have lost that unless emilia is also higher atk than vesti

trio is too exposed to anything that lives, esp helmt

[valid inlet]

Hmmm could be interesting too but it will have less dmg first 2 secs

[coarse lake]

I kill p3 neutral with trio, so I won't need it unless they run p1 scar with jack

another option is siren, just for stun

[valid inlet]

I’m really interested to see your trio taking my scar jack

[coarse lake]

yours is p1 p2 link yeah?

[valid inlet]

Yes

[coarse lake]

I think I can kill it

[valid inlet]

That’s what I think too

[coarse lake]

I killed unlink scar with just 3 vesti hits

but that's if I even get there

[keen vapor]

What do you think @untold tapir ?
Strong

[coarse lake]

I need someone to find a better replacement to sg

so I can use rosa with trio

[coarse lake]

also, soda link yeah? you wanna fix that

soda link is unoptimal in scar mirror

once I fixed it, I basically always win scar mirror, esp vs link-less, they die before I even get to burst

[valid inlet]

Better try get one copy in case Emi rerun tho

[umbral belfry]

if she reruns

[valid inlet]

Right maybe I need to get another p4 there that can take the link

If my Trina can get a chance enter b2 than I might win(?) but unlikely

I didn’t test trio with many scar team so I’d love to see how it take scar jack

[coarse lake]

in trio environment p4 link is optimal yeah

but that usually means you need to get a defender higher atk than trina....

p3 trina link might do ok though

[umbral crown]

If she do would be next year

[coarse lake]

p3 trina prob die to trio if she's not linked, so that's an issue too

another way for scar to fight trio is to simply kill emma with counters asap, essentially removing the trio buffs for vesti, hopefully before she fires all the shots

[valid inlet]

I only tested my trio w Scar Jack w Rosa at p4 and it can’t win

[coarse lake]

another thing is that if vesti cs is too high, first shot gets blocked by trina

so in that case any scar jack can probably live

too high threshold seems to be about 10-15%, depending on position

[untold tapir]

Thanks

[valid inlet]

I’m not going to make my Vesti that fast

Crit and atk focus for now

[keen vapor]

Don't forget to overload

[coarse lake]

I landed a black cr line somehow, so now I'm having to pivot my pieces around, and it's getting nowhere

also gonna keep 3 ele, being able to kill wind without using trio should be very useful

part of me wants to stop at 3 atk, and get emi to 4 atk, so emi takes helmt snipes

that's the optimal setup for lapt emi trio anyway

[valid inlet]

That’s nice tho no black line for me so far

[coarse lake]

eventually I might take my vesti off trio, and run a 2rl noise noah

that should increase odds vs nero moran a lot, and won't matter if I can't kill scar (unless soda)

[valid inlet]

I thought about that too but I find that Moran Noah doing good

I don’t see myself running Nero Moran until Nero get treasure and do better I guess

[coarse lake]

I still trust in my nero moran, esp xmaiden ver

lost 3 times, but tbf they're all vs blanc

the meta rn seems to be running basically all comps that are invest dependent, and outinvesting opponents

if I don't win this season my odds are gonna fall more and more until new meta unit shows up, ppl gonna copy

esp if you win, they gonna copy trio and slow cindy

[valid inlet]

Same apply to me I guess people gonna copy you if you get there

[keen vapor]

So I can't win

[coarse lake]

with your bricked acc? definitely can't

[valid inlet]

Now most competitive ppl have their teams developed that makes Nero Moran less relevant, which was mostly depending on built level

It can’t even take a built SG in attacking position

[coarse lake]

rapu not being able to revive unless moran dies is the main problem

well... maybe a mana pivot is viable, haven't seen enough of those yet

my mana is already prepped to be properly tuned to never get dispelled

[valid inlet]

I am not familiar w mana stall tbh

[coarse lake]

I still don't understand it tbh

rosa just gonna dispel the revive, esp if you're bulky

[valid inlet]

Then it still can’t take SG I guess

[coarse lake]

needs tuning, s1 min lvl, prob no ol, rapu high atk

[valid inlet]

And prob can’t take your xmaiden stall

[coarse lake]

yeah still loses to xmaiden for sure

but it could maybe clutch out vs like cindy, to save helm

[sonic blade]

Any 3 team suggestions for SP arena? Both attacking and defending?

[coarse lake]

nvm mine is trash tuned

[valid inlet]

Need to leave for a meeting now good luck for tomorrow @coarse lake @umbral belfry

[coarse lake]

need like 40% atk ol rapu to out atk a no ol min doll lvl 1 s1 mana

[keen vapor]

Rip

[umbral belfry]

gl lock in

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/_kRMi_cI6Lk?si=kGwF1z4QbpLM-Gqy

[spiral onyx]

One of my guildies lost 0-5 to someone and asked me for advice. I took a look at the winner's teams and they were literally just copies of my cooks, but actually with the proper investment to make them usable

[sonic blade]

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/mgsv-metal-gear-solid-v-big-boss-mgs5-solid-snake-gif-11358015418213463829

[dire root]

I wonder.

[gritty ridge]

No, dont

You lose

[dire root]

Oh right they also have a siren.

[gritty ridge]

Not even that

Youre way too slow

[dire root]

Cindy beats Sirens stun

[gritty ridge]

Also cindy wont get stunned, biscuit will

[dire root]

Biscuit taunts?

[gritty ridge]

No, Cinderella cant be targetted

[dire root]

Oh, cheating

skill hacks

Report cindy for wall clip

[gritty ridge]

Normally p1 cindy will feed you a ridiculous amount but I dont even think it feeds you to 5rl

[dire root]

I hope I get my own Cindy in a few years

[gritty ridge]

Nah cindy bad and stinky

She eats all your rocks and gives you nothing

[dire root]

Does the defict kick in when CP difference hits 15.41%, or stat penalty hits 15.41%?

[gritty ridge]

Huh?

[dire root]

Well in campaign your stats get nerfed when you have a CP defict from the stage.

and based on that defict it reduces your stats by a certain amount.

in pvp the defict only kicked in when it hits 15.41%

But I'm not sure if it's talking about the cp difference or the stat penalty

[gritty ridge]

Its not so much that the deficit only kicks in there, but that the ramp up of stat penalty gets very bad

[keen vapor]

CP difference

[dire root]

Fine, I will give this a shot.

[gritty ridge]

At like 20% deficit in pvp theres a solid chance youre hitting for 1 dmg

[dire root]

I hate Cindy biscuit so much

[gritty ridge]

They boost you to 1rl i think

[dire root]

I have to throw so many units at it to crack the bunker

Biscuit just says nu huh

[gritty ridge]

Put helm at p2

[dire root]

even if you do 5 billion damage to p1

[gritty ridge]

Actually, put jackal p1, sbs p2

[dire root]

Why would I risk my only B1 in P1?

[gritty ridge]

Wdym risk

Jackal getting killed is almost impossible unless high deficit

[dire root]

Siren stuns

[gritty ridge]

Not at that speed

[dire root]

Also they messed up and made their 3rd team super low combat power so I can just defict crush.

I didn't think I would defict crush someone so hard

[gritty ridge]

Thats an interesting team 3

[dire root]

I will eat my hat if I lose

[gritty ridge]

Be prepared to not eat your hat

[dire root]

welp time to eat my hat, I should stop fighting Cindy teams.

Should have fought the high CP team 2 at a defict.

I can't beat a Cindy team

[gritty ridge]

Huh? Show replay

[dire root]

And I lose

I never have been able to

[gritty ridge]

Ah I see what happened, have you tried helm burst instead of sbs?

[dire root]

Since day 1 of pvp I have always lost to Cindy teams

Such a overpowered nikke

one of the best for pvp

[covert lintel]

How can you doubt vesti

[dire root]

I mena I don't really see, noah blocked Cindy and almost their entire team died, then noah ends and my entire team instanlty dies, Cindy and jackal op. They wipe on their own.

[gritty ridge]

Try this

[dire root]

Last attempt for today

[keen vapor]

I doubt defense can be improved with more damage

[gritty ridge]

Im betting on siren having more attack than cindy

Which is fairly easy

[dire root]

What would killing Siren do? Their jackal would still burst. I would kill everyone but Jackal and Cindy noah would end then lose.

[gritty ridge]

It would kill jackal too

[dire root]

I don't really understand where they are getting all that dps from

[gritty ridge]

Overflow dmg into jackal link

[dire root]

with just 2 nikkes

[gritty ridge]

This time please screen record match

[covert lintel]

It's not only dmg, but speed too

[keen vapor]

I don't get speed when she needs 2s to charge

[keen vapor]

What's her CS

[covert lintel]

17?
Idk a minimum to make that team become 2rl

[keen vapor]

:T

[covert lintel]

Nikke deck makes cs15-25 the same
So idk the actual number needed for that

[glad meteor]

You can’t 2rl noah against 3rl cindy

[gritty ridge]

This 1rl noah silly

[glad meteor]

Thats even worse

The tail end of cindy burst just cooks the team

[gritty ridge]

Thats why you gotta oneshot evryone

If helm targets siren that'd knock out both b1, which means no burst

[glad meteor]

That’s just gambling

[gritty ridge]

Only once

After that its not gambling anymore

[keen vapor]

THERE YOU HAVE YOUR VESTI

@coarse lake NOW WHAT'S HER INVESTMENTS

[coarse lake]

4/10/7 min

2 ammo 2-3 ele 4 atk is goal

1-2 cs is fine

[keen vapor]

I heard about not much CS
So, Ele after all?

[keen vapor]

Also, what to do about Scarlet team on def

Soda?

[coarse lake]

if high enough cp yeah

[keen vapor]

Quite the opposite

[coarse lake]

then use siren

[ionic rose]

Why save all those gems u gotta C7 Vesti!

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

why

[torn pumice]

vesti on def is why i took back and kept rank 1 after a gem war

[keen vapor]

How to do Indom Vesti

Jackal P1?

[glad meteor]

Yeah, to avoid being siren’d

[umbral crown]

@keen vapor besto vesti in defense

No more action for me tho

[keen vapor]

So one buff only

Can I feed with Drake?

[glad meteor]

Unless you includ something like helmt i guess

[keen vapor]

I'll take that as yes

[spiral onyx]

Use Nikke Works and check the frame counts

[umbral crown]

now we gonna do the thing with frames?

[spiral onyx]

Yes

We've moved into quantum physics model of PvP

The Bohr's model is too simple

[valid inlet]

I think if your Vesti get good 4 atk and crit, helm can die before burst, mine was 60% built and helm almost die before burst

[keen vapor]

I'm going insane fr

[spiral onyx]

This is my "1.6RL" Cindy team's timeline

The team enters bursts at 128f and Cindy bursts at 218f

2RL happens at 152f and 3RL happens at 228f

[keen vapor]

Holy heavens I just want to know if I'm fast or not

[spiral onyx]

2.5RL is actually 168f and not 190f

[crystal flicker]

And it's 60fps

[keen vapor]

2.5 always was 2.2?

[spiral onyx]

Effectively lol

[keen vapor]

@d@ dizzy

[spiral onyx]

But these are all just arbitrary reference points

In the end of the day, a team that bursts at 160f will be faster than a team that bursts at 161f

Doesn't matter what "RL" that maps to

When you compare the finish time of runners, do you compare the length of time in second for them to reach the finish line, or how many steps they took?

[shut crown]

is Bay still worth building + favorite item for pvp?

[crystal flicker]

I believe I can go faster, but it doesn't seem worth the effort

[crystal flicker]

She's Noah budget, and if you have all PvP B2, you'll having hard time finding place for her

[umbral crown]

i see, guess will have to take a look there this week

[shut crown]

i feel like i should build a better pvp B2 instead because favorite item is expensive. but if i get her skin, i dont want it to go to waste

thank you for confirming my fears

[covert lintel]

Even 24% the team doesn't reach 2rl
So nikke deck is wrong?

[spiral onyx]

Nikke Deck takes... Liberties

This will be my TVesti team next season. A true 2RL team

[glad glade]

I can actually read and understand this. I think I’ve gone too deep into this rabbit hole

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/inception-deeper-go-deeper-we-need-to-go-deeper-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-16756828

Wanna see something wild?
A "2RL" Scarlet team with no charge speed can actually burst at 150f cause of rocket travel time

[frank spear]

Is adjustant cube the new meta?

[spiral onyx]

And because Scarlet burst is "instant", this makes 240f the golden standard to outspeed a "2RL" Scarlet teams

[glad glade]

Its fascinating how different work portrays this information compared reality. I was playing around with the site a few days ago and I realized that a “2.5 RL” stall team with Nero/Moran/Helm/Rapu/Quiry would actually be closer to something along the lines 2.75 RL, even with the proper CS on Rapu, Helm, and Quiry

[spiral onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[glad glade]

Definitely gives one explanation as to why people recommend a more offensive/faster orientation like XMaid or Laplace instead of defensive

[frank spear]

[leaden canyon]

idk how to beat this, also ignore the sg team, it's a throw away

I can beat round two with that team

[spiral onyx]

Yeah, the "2.5RL" definition takes a lot of liberties. It's really "5SG" which is very accurate because we currently don't have attack speed OL or cubes atm

[swift mango]

He is alive

[glad glade]

SGs. I kinda like it better honestly. Makes it more pinpoint accurate. Probably would have helped me get my silver cheer frame faster if I had that mindset instead

[spiral onyx]

Speed is only one aspect of things. CA is still very rock paper scissors and investment based

[leaden canyon]

if anybody figures this out let me know because im out of ideas

[spiral onyx]

No amount of investment will let your SG team beat a properly set up Biscuit team

[glad glade]

Like, with RLs I was going full schizo mode on trying to figure out which indom team was slower. Not unsimilar to picrel

[swift mango]

Me recycling room with overall level 110. In a new bracket where half of the top 64, being 150-170+ on average.

[spiral onyx]

I kinda came to this realization when I was building my Cindy team. Cindy has a delayed burst, so in theory a 2RL Cindy team will always lose against a 2RL Scarlet team assuming no indom involved... Unless maybe I overload the team with charge speed... But how much charge speed?

[swift mango]

Or Cindy 1 clap Scarlet on her first of the 10 hit.

[glad glade]

Wait that actually happened before?

My wife is strong

[spiral onyx]

as of the moment, my Cindy starts her burst at 218f while Scarlet insta nukes at 240f

That's a 22f window for Cindy to kill

73ms of time

[glad glade]

Man that’s grim. 20% CS on all RLs. Can’t imagine how much rocks they’d consume to reach that point

[swift mango]

Still need to be a little bit faster than scarlet even with that.

[spiral onyx]

How many frames does Cindy take for her second hit to land on Scarlet?

[glad glade]

My RH still refuses to get 4 ele even after 150+ rocks 💀

[spiral onyx]

I actually don't know, never measured, would be interesting to know

[swift mango]

@bleak shale

But I doubt CS could fix that.

[spiral onyx]

But at the same time, may not be relevant, it's unlikely I can get this team to burst much faster without any crazy amount of rocks and RNG luck

But I'm also not 100% sure if Scarlet nuke is actually 0f (instant)

[glad glade]

Probably not. I’d imagine that there’d be a few frames of delay

A microsecond delay, but still a microsecond of vulnerability

[spiral onyx]

Either way, the tool is very valuable at helping you min max your timeline as well as identify the bottleneck

[glad glade]

Very true. I’d imagine it’ll also vastly help out with Casino Arena cheer predictions. More than work at least anyways

Like figuring out if Moran bursts before Scarlet does in a Stall v Scar match

[spiral onyx]

It convinced me to do stuff like slap an Adjutant Cube on Rapunzel instead of Tempering or Healing because doing so gave me -4frames

[glad glade]

Damn thats actually pretty big

[spiral onyx]

And charge speed on my TVesti cause it makes the timeline match better, aka made her nuke land at the same time as her string of 4 rockets

It also made me realize that my Blanc Scarlet team has speed issues that I really can't fix until they release another mega battery like Helm or Emilia

[glad glade]

Bro I wish they reran emilia

The amount of flexibility I would get from her in all aspects of PvP is astonishing. Like, I can run a 2.5 RL indom Vesti comp while also having 2 proper 2RL comps in SPA, without resorting to SR units like Anis or SGs

[lone rapids]

what's the team u can't beat here?

[covert lintel]

He's already sr15 blanc and centi now

Only anis left

[swift mango]

His luck certainly better than me even if he whaled for some doll pack. Guess whaling make him lucky.

My luck with doll upgrade is getting better recently though

[leaden canyon]

round 1 and 3

[swift mango]

I'm gonna be damned but I think he would SR15 Anis, just like merry.

I'm too pleb for that

[leaden canyon]

and i can only beat round 2 with that Emilia team

#pvp-arena message

that's my box

[covert lintel]

Soon i will follow them if i get sr doll

[mystic rain]

kinda worth since we only have 5 clip RL in the game

[covert lintel]

I think milk burst gen will be similar to nihilister

[shell hazel]

I SR-5 my Anis don't know if I'd want to SR-15

[covert lintel]

2nd shot pierce

[swift mango]

Nah, she will gen as much as DKW or Rouge. All her skills need manual control to trigger.

[swift mango]

Nilhister also had increase piercing range (to p1+2), not just pierce.

[mystic rain]

yea i think milk is bricked for pvp

her shit wont even activate cuz u need to manual her first shot

[swift mango]

Add looks like powercreep Grave.

[mystic rain]

thats powercreep blanc for tetra lmao

[swift mango]

Who needs to pull for Grave anymore.

[spiral onyx]

As much as I love Ade, the B2 pool is way too competitive right now

So unless she offers some wild bonus that puts her up and above others, I don't think she'll have a spot in PvP

[swift mango]

I would still prefer Blanc healing for auto but yeah.

But she might have some use in Arena as a buffer. That's almost as strong as Trina buff for Scarlet.

[mystic rain]

oh for pvp nah

pvp b2 is even more competitive than pve b2 meta

[spiral onyx]

Trina offers additional immunity. Blanc offers indom, etc

[mystic rain]

id rather have more tank than more dmg buff

[spiral onyx]

Mari imo is the "strongest" offensive B2 but right now B2s need to offer both offense and defense to be worth slotting for PvP. Or also be a battery

[swift mango]

Not meta for sure. But maybe usable when people need that buffer to get over a DEF since they already build her for PvE.

[mystic rain]

trina for vesti pvp and bade for scar nuke/reiT nuke

[swift mango]

Depending on her burst gen she could be meta or not. If she had gen of about a clip SG she would he Meta.

[mystic rain]

or maybe the other way around

[spiral onyx]

I dunno if SR is gonna have any spectacular burst gen

But I'll definitely roll for her

For... the plot

[covert lintel]

so she can't play pvp?

[covert lintel]

More likely powercreep mari

[swift mango]

@quick lake guess your Milk remains useless for Arena.

[swift mango]

Well, both on buff I guess. Grave had her burst gen buff and Mari had her wipe objectives usage.

[mystic rain]

wasnt mari mainly used for full electric team with xmaiden sanis electric buffs

[swift mango]

Yeah but just put Mari in there now

[covert lintel]

Mari's buff wasn't limited to electrix

[mystic rain]

but then again its just 1 unit ur replacing so ig she is still powercreeping mari

[mystic rain]

i mean like u mainly want mari cuz shes electric code to go with cindy rouge sanis xmaiden team cuz shes getting buffed by that

so like the other way around but again she is supporter so her personal dps probably doesnt amount to much even with that team

[covert lintel]

Nah, mari's dmg is low so it's not significantly benefited from sanis&xmaiden

Oh this milk might avoid siren's stun cause she gets forced reload after every full charge

[swift mango]

She need to manual to even use her s1.

[covert lintel]

Rip ninty might win this if he invested in rosanna

His team is the perfect counter for fahren but so many nikkes are uninvested

[frank spear]

I really want ShiftUp to make a mock up battle for pvp😂

https://tenor.com/view/fight-nikke-goddess-of-victory-nikke-doro-gif-1890448314464026171

[covert lintel]

Then if nerose wins and meets fahren, he'll probably lose because of rosanna too
Not sr15 rosanna atking scar will instantly die

[glad glade]

Unironically would be pretty fun. It would bring new leagues of experimentation without having to spend gems. Shame they’re such greedy bastards

[shell hazel]

they won't do it because then you'd just prep any attack you need to

[glad glade]

True

[hollow lagoon]

Ye

She out buff grave in general

Grave is slightly more consistent and around the same value for pierce teams

But ade outperforms grave into non pierce

Only difference is grave’s personal damage and burst gen

[quick lake]

indeed double brick

[swift mango]

3.29m team for day one bracket.

[swift mango]

I will be surprised if his 89k Rossanna able to kill a fly.

[obtuse dagger]

guys any comp that can counter tactical vesti w/ indom less than 2rl?

[swift mango]

Against Vesti 2rl indom, probably Noah+Biscuit+Noise 3rl.

Or Blanc+Cindy(or Dps that could wipe the team and eat the indom putting in p4 really, p5 would need to be the b1)+ Biscuit 2.5rl

In Noah case you need Noah to get biscuit twice. So no one else in the team should trip biscuit 2nd s2 before Noah.

And Ofc Noah needs to have Ammo when Vesti indom ended to kill her.

[obtuse dagger]

ill try this bro thankss!!

[swift mango]

They need to bring guys like Merry in the other day one bracket to challenge him. Your bracket is kinda noobs, I bet most of them only buy core dust to get there that even this guy got to top 8.

Or he was just lucky.

I don't see your bracket much. But the other day 1 bracket all the match up LD showed had competently invested teams.

I mean xAnne zero investment is fine. Rossanna zero investment isn't.

[covert lintel]

My bracket peeps are SR ranker
Only fahren did all mode

I always got a pretty bad match up in the league so never entered the top 8

[swift mango]

Yeah, they need to merge bracket better so these zero investment guys got slapped before top 8.

[covert lintel]

No matter where i put rosanna, she always meets biscuit in league

[swift mango]

Copy their teams. If they could enter top 8 with zero investment, you could too with their teams.

[covert lintel]

Nah, it's fine
I love to try my own cook

[swift mango]

Hey my Rossanna meet biscuit often ofc but it's fine so long as other teams win.

[swift mango]

Maybe it's because you doesn't cook good teams.

[radiant storm]

Thought the Dot would miss Cindy 🥲

[covert lintel]

No, just my scar team failed me

How can she lose speed against unprotected cindy

[swift mango]

I mean you told me you would try Privaty B3 this season the other day.

[covert lintel]

I tried and won all

[swift mango]

Even Keripo doesn't dare to do that anymore.

[covert lintel]

Except scar

My priv team is the best there, no lose

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

You could post the team and your units CS so I know if you bricked on one.

[covert lintel]

I copied this team from hoboman
And lost 2
Weak team

[swift mango]

It's RNG teams. Win or lose depends on luck.
You would need CS on Anis too ofc to make team faster, and quantum on all 3 to be safe.

[covert lintel]

Quantum of course but no cs

[merry knot]

Hello anybody has any idea why my Scar burst did 0 damage?

[covert lintel]

Only trina above 11 cs

[covert lintel]

It's bay fault

[merry knot]

but to do 0 damage? on noahs level of immunity? 😮

not even the covers took damage

[covert lintel]

Yes, as long as she has cover, every dmg are mitigated iirc

[merry knot]

honestly that was really unexpected

[swift mango]

Her cover was destroyed on Scarlet burst.

[merry knot]

true i was looking at everyones cover but it was only bays i see

[swift mango]

Idk the enemy team if you're gonna show it in Korean.

[swift mango]

Not Rapipi nuke.

[atomic wolf]

bro can't read

[swift mango]

Yeah, I can't read Korean.

[atomic wolf]

it's basically your staple 3rl cancer noah noise cindy jackal centi

you could ALSO look into the goddamn pic and see their portrait

[hollow lagoon]

Can’t read either

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1124006857506295939.webp?size=48&name=monakalmfao

[pseudo blaze]

I have most nikkes for pvp except for miracle anne and makima. how do I even get started with pvp? I don't know any team comps

[summer copper]

Copy pinned comps

[onyx scaffold]

check pin

[keen vapor]

@violet spoke ..... Attack Check back ....... Watch out....... His team order......... Zzzzzzzzzz

[shell hazel]

we need to cook more to attack em?

[keen vapor]

I....... wonder

[shell hazel]

was it same teams?

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-magnifying-glass-zoom-in-big-eyes-wink-gif-17778901

[violet spoke]

He swapped team comps some

[keen vapor]

0_0 HOW DARES HE

[keen vapor]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA

HE CANT BURST

[violet spoke]

Bruhhhh

[open dew]

is there a way to input roster/cp to help self-build pvp teams for people with younger accounts/fewer available characters? chatgpt said nikki.work had somethign like this but i dont see it

[violet spoke]

He made the same mistake as me and removed red hood lol

[shell hazel]

same teams should still work though I'd still rec swap lapT with Rapu if your CP is within range

[keen vapor]

we will need Noah biscuit for team 1

And a jackal team for second still

[shell hazel]

biscuit does make sbs less of a threat ofc

[keen vapor]

You confident huh?

[keen vapor]

Hippo, we talked about this yesterday

Is Laplace only

[violet spoke]

His other team incase that helps

[shell hazel]

you could just siren the blanc and gg

higher cp entry though

imo that is an easier team to beat because of that

[keen vapor]

Is that 4 RL? (Vesti makes it 3, I know)

[shell hazel]

the scar team is pretty dead still with same bay comp

run a siren comp into the blanc/vesti one

[keen vapor]

SBS Siren Blanc Centi jackal

How much CP

[shell hazel]

put siren at p5, avoids vesti wind advantage

sbs also wind

[keen vapor]

It really is 4 RL

[shell hazel]

this should work

[keen vapor]

A

So that's why Eon recommended ele

[shell hazel]

vesti has no advantage against fire

[keen vapor]

Starting to see how she's a threat

[shell hazel]

unless their vesti is cracked you'll get fed to 2.5RL ish

not sure who links in that

probably 1-2-3

[keen vapor]

Trust woogie and put the lightning on

[shell hazel]

lapT also works instead of DrakeT

[violet spoke]

Had to step away for a bit which team are we talking about

[shell hazel]

their RH will b2

keep the scar one the same, the only diff is they can't burst now

[keen vapor]

Hey hippo

That siren is going to get attacked by Drake

[shell hazel]

yeah good point lol

[keen vapor]

This is why I said Centi 😠

[shell hazel]

but does she die before she stuns?

without stun you have to hope you kill blanc, which I think you will

once you indom and they don't indom it's gg

[keen vapor]

Woogie your siren better has more attack than Blanc/Centi

Also I'll advise to put tempering cube on Siren..... Your tempering cube is level 7 right

[shell hazel]

centi is defending the flanks on the scar team as well though I doubt viper can kill the last one on the end before they 2RL helm burst

as viper will also target p5

[keen vapor]

A

[violet spoke]

Yea lol

[shell hazel]

if siren links you're good

I don't think viper alone will be able to kill p5 on the scar team before you burst and helm secures the win anyway

and they can't burst so if you move centi across just put another battery on the scar team to replace her

[keen vapor]

Put Noah on Helm team she'll support the team

[shell hazel]

you need this much cp to hit the vesti team

yeah noah works as p5 there, or even main b2 instead of Bay

[keen vapor]

To replace Centi

[shell hazel]

Noah should in theory be the better option we just needed noah elsewhere before

chuck Noah where Bay was, and put someone else at p5

we just need to keep 2RL

confirm the proposed teams/cp before sending Woogie we'll check them here when you think it's ready 🙂

[violet spoke]

What were the teams lol i havent had time to read through everything

[keen vapor]

I use calc based on this
#pvp-arena message

For easy and fast calc I pick first 3 numbers of enemy's CP and subtract -15.4%

The result is the CP goal to be above for your team

If your team is good you can get away with 20-30% CP deficit

[keen vapor]

Put Noah in Centi place for Helm team

Then Jackal Vesti Blanc Centi Siren against his Blanc

Combat power numbers first

[keen vapor]

Nice good to go

[shell hazel]

yeah should work fine record/send

I think noah/bay could be switched but it won't change the outcome here

[wind kelp]

Well, finally got red hood, and vesti 2.0 is at 1 star as well. Been a good week(in all gacha tbh!). Now i just gotta get those two built up and then i think PVP teams will get a bit of a boost 😄

[shell hazel]

to make Noah primary b2 instead of Bay, but ultimately either catch the nuke

[keen vapor]

Definitely don't do the enemy team visible here very bad

[wind kelp]

Oh i'm 100% dropping a box of incredients for the Enriched cooks to ponder over when i get those overloaded 😄

[keen vapor]

Man, to think I lose to this guy

[wind kelp]

Actualy what i need to build is moran, vesti, RH, and rest of AbsoluteV2 as i did manage to get the whole team.

[keen vapor]

At least I committed dumb mistake with XP's good cook

But even then XP doesn't seem to get how to defeat check

[violet spoke]

Huh

[keen vapor]

Moran lower priority

[shell hazel]

siren got indom

[keen vapor]

The feel when Core 1 Vesti dies

[wind kelp]

Oh yeah, not in order 😄 Vesti is 1st as she's already half built, then RH(who does have all gear), then see about rest.

[shell hazel]

problem with vesti is how much damage she can chuck at your p1-p3 I think

[keen vapor]

You didn't put Vigor on Vesti right

[violet spoke]

she doesnt have vigor

[shell hazel]

sorry woogie we'll need to re-think for next one

[keen vapor]

what happened Hippo

[shell hazel]

vesti just took too much damage and died before she could burst

[keen vapor]

What was the level for your tempering cube again?

[shell hazel]

siren and jackal should both have more hp than vesti

[keen vapor]

We might need to use it on two units...

[shell hazel]

vesti is an attacker and the other two are defenders/supporters, does vesti have the least hp?

[violet spoke]

Vesti has about 1mil less hp than both

[shell hazel]

so the issue was the link took too much damage and vesti died first

the damage share works by splitting the damage across all linked units, the one with the least hp dies first, as long as no one dies vesti will get the indom

[keen vapor]

Sounds like... You leveled 5 her full gear set?

While Siren not?

[violet spoke]

Other way around mainly bc my armor inv has been pretty much empty for the past week

[keen vapor]

Ah ok ok

[umbral belfry]

@dense kindle @glad glade exactly as I thought

[shell hazel]

we could send this for next when you get more tries

we feed to 2RL, we just noah their initial barrage, siren still stuns blanc, our vesti starts smashing them without any protection

it depends how lethal the vesti is

[glad meteor]

Drake ele + vesti pressure

[shell hazel]

as there is a risk that noah could die to vesti

K you got any alt ideas to try?

[glad meteor]

T1 seems easier unless deficit

[wind ice]

how should i try to get my vesti overload lines to be usable for pvp i mean usually it is 4x atk ele cs but trying to get that seem too hard

[mystic rain]

wowie

my noise died in round 1 before she could even burst like damn

i blam3e xmaiden bug

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

what to send? 🙂

[umbral belfry]

belum champ

[umbral belfry]

mission failed. we'll get em next time

[swift mango]

Why even put Noise p1 if she was your only B1 and you use biscuit.

[glad meteor]

This my thoughts but idk

[glad meteor]

[keen vapor]

But it's that

[mystic rain]

blanc sbs vs blanc vesti and his vesti got ammo checked

[keen vapor]

Well, max ammo is also wanted

[mystic rain]

i was drunk while making my chanmps teams

[glad meteor]

1 more day

[mystic rain]

but also like who else do i put as b1 or spare

[glad meteor]

And then we’ll see if they fixed pvp bugs

[mystic rain]

or maybe i just have to fix noise positioning so she doesnt tank all the hits

[mystic rain]

nah dont jinx it

also gl next season hime

[shell hazel]

you deadge @umbral belfry ? 🙁

[mystic rain]

and yea i agree with this if u wanna run blanc vesti at least make sure ur vesti has the ammo for like 15 sec

which is why i think u want like atk cs ammo>>>ele

[shell hazel]

try these for next run @violet spoke - also invest your emi some

[mystic rain]

ele much lower prio since its pvp anyway 🤷

[shell hazel]

if you didn't yet, critical pvp unit for battery and dps 🙂

[swift mango]

I'm not making it lol.

[mystic rain]

ggwp

[tulip quest]

Good run tho

[shell hazel]

unlucky btw @hollow lagoon - you got Corleoned - I think I took them out in the quals last CA

[hollow lagoon]

[umbral belfry]

I am indeed

we had a good run

[shell hazel]

F

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

we did (well you did lol)

[umbral belfry]

ty belum. go get champ this season lock in

[hollow lagoon]

umlucky scarlet

[umbral belfry]

at least we lost together

[swift mango]

I guess both side lasted 3 minutes here.

[tulip quest]

Mihara chain is so weird tanking that burst

is this bug?

[mystic rain]

https://tenor.com/view/하루우라라-gif-26453523

[swift mango]

She did not tank it. It's lone Moran vs Cindy.

[mystic rain]

wait did this one timeout

[umbral belfry]

@torn pumice good run

[tulip quest]

oh I tot she tanked that cause she sometimes does it which is weird

[swift mango]

@spiral onyx finally the team I copied from you lost against a joke team.

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

[tulip quest]

that shotgun comp isn't really a joke tho

[placid bloom]

water counters fire

[tulip quest]

Pure pain in backline

[mystic rain]

o yea i keep seeing that actually

poli and pepper in same team

twice now ive seen that this season

[swift mango]

It's a joke for any of my other teams.

And a joke if I was on the left. Instead.

[tulip quest]

RNG my brotha

[swift mango]

[tulip quest]

XD Champions RNG ARENA XD

[umbral belfry]

it's super effective

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

@umbral belfry i died too

[placid bloom]

I told you it's Piggy's champion run