pvp-arena

[shell hazel]

which is good, problem with gacha and income/pull resources is you feel you can't skip 😛

or you fall behind some

some games have started doing the hoyo model but instead of 50/50 they do like 100 pulls and it's 100% the rate up unit, instead of current hoyo model where I can lose 50/50 at 70 pulls and have to go 70 more to get the 100%

[tropic summit]

the best case scenario is where gacha is just killed altogether

let's go back to the times you EARN the characters/things you unlock instead of just "oh ye spend and you can have it, no effort"

and by EARN i don't mean grinding endlessly and boringly, actual challenges or experience needed

instead of praising money or just brainless grind, let's praise skill/investiment in the game

[dim escarp]

UR invest done, time do full commit on pvp giving CS to every RL

starting by noah team

[wet torrent]

Could use some help with my pvp teams if anyone is available

[swift mango]

No Gacha mechanic, except, duh, Gacha.

[tropic summit]

remove gacha and turn it into a normal game, a game that rewards for being played and enjoyed instead of a game that rewards you based on how much you spend, FOMO, banners, enforced daily/weekly activity

and most importantly, everything unlockable, by either playing or challange/trials, call em however you want, something that rewards experience and skill

you know, actually player friendly and not corp friendly

lunch break over, back to the RL grind

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel

maybe ill make it

[glad meteor]

Should be safe 3%

[pale knoll]

Seems like you can get the characters by getting their shards, and same with weapons. So pretty sure it will be very similar to warframe. This game can't be called a gacha by any means, just a normal game heh

[hollow lagoon]

depends if the mihara-miranda bug thing is not looked at, i might try another run with that set up

[glad meteor]

Whats the bug

[swift mango]

There are tons of normal game but so long as it's life service there will always be daily. It has been since MMO era.

[swift mango]

Play Azur Lane.

[swift mango]

Should be, since you global.

[shell hazel]

god damnit I need to do that myself

my defeat btw 🙁
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b3kIlpg2bic

I think I need to re-think t3 to perhaps leverage siren stun blanc at p1

or I just vesti the t2 as they lack biscuit and I should be able to 2RL indom vesti, once noah ends I think she could nuke them dead

[swift mango]

That's 3rl Indom with no feed. Just scarjack it. Add siren if you want to remove Blanc entirely.

[shell hazel]

won't the vesti shots take out my scar at 2RL if she's p1-p3 potentially?

as they land before she can b3

I didn't check who linked actually

in my defence I was sending it just before I went to work, was an interesting benchmark to see how it went :p

at least I know my own rapi indom is no good there atm, I get 381 sync soon though, today perhaps if not tomorrow, should lessen the whale gap a bit

[umbral belfry]

no sr anis feels odd to not have solely for the sake of burst gen

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry

[glad meteor]

Vesti causing havok

[shell hazel]

haha yep, the link they had on t3 was jackal/biscuit/vesti, xmaiden and blanc unlinked so yes would be no jackal feed

[covert lintel]

Are there ppl who achieved 25% vesti right now?

[shell hazel]

not sure you need that much CS on her to be effective, think could be pros and cons

but would bring her charge time down to 1.5s

I think hitting harder/less might still be preferable/good enough

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

Mine has 0 ele

Feelsbad

[shell hazel]

yeah mine needs some rolls, it's only OK

I massively fixed my scar though, should be much more effective

[glad meteor]

2 defence

[shell hazel]

I had 0% atk before yesterday rolls and now she's got 30%

[glad meteor]

@umbral belfry i blame you

[shell hazel]

need to roll the helm still but I'm going to gather rocks for it

[glad meteor]

damn 11/12

[shell hazel]

yeah, it's fine I think

she's significantly better rolled than before

[glad meteor]

If it was me locking and rerolling. You’d see me get charge speed damage, hit rate and defence on that first line cs

i hate rolling rocks

[shell hazel]

this is what I started from before spending 40 rocks

how good is crit rate on vesti? I didn't take this one in the end

instead I took this for now

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-boop-gif-10377807

[umbral belfry]

LMAO

[glad meteor]

Crit is good but rng

[shell hazel]

was fishing for atk mostly I think which is why

that may warrant more rolling later but cs and atk are both decent enough lines

I think my vesti is sort of CA ready but if I gather some more rocks I can do some more rolls before the next CA

[glad meteor]

12/12. Vesti for pvp goon

[shell hazel]

am not sure how necessary that is tbh, unless you're in a vesti vs vesti match :p

4 x atk 2 x CS 2 x ammo is a decent enough multi-role vesti imo

[wind kelp]

No luck on getting vesti yet, have to see if i get her tomorrow, got Emma today 😄

Trina helm though O.o

[shell hazel]

damn that is a true @umbral belfry wut da hell image

imagine that on vesti 😮

[swift mango]

You probably 1 rock roll without even lock.

[shell hazel]

my whale had c1 vesti the other day and is now c4 😄

[swift mango]

That's more than good enough

[shell hazel]

think c7 by the time the banner goes

I stopped at MLB good enough for me, I'll wish list long term

[wind kelp]

I also went through all my pvp main units, and some extra, got everyone ol gear to 4-5, and skills to 9/10, and figurines to 15. Had "some" extra materials laying around

[shell hazel]

I only have 3 main pvp units to SR-15 now

rumani, blanc, and biscuit

rest should be SR-15 outside of random CA stuff like Noir/Bsoda which are SR-5

[hollow lagoon]

op

[shell hazel]

yeah hopefully she's actually a bit more lethal this CA

[hollow lagoon]

my 1 atk roll scarlet is

hard to fix lol

interception been gibing me no bonuse rocks lately i cant roll anything

[swift mango]

Amongst the main arena support units. Only do Jackal, Biscuit, Noah is enough. I don't even use Rumani or Blanc sometime.

In spa

[shell hazel]

yeah true but I figure I will use them often enough, I plan to just do them all 🙂

and for many levels to come probably

[shell hazel]

kraken been poor for me last few days tbh, days of 0 or 1 rocks mostly

[hollow lagoon]

wot, u got a whole rock? you call that poor?

[shell hazel]

I do, I need more rocks 😄

[hollow lagoon]

bro ur not at my level

do kraken and only get base material

gets mad then stop doing kraken

[shell hazel]

that is basically most of mine last few days

Hime stole my rocks

[hollow lagoon]

are u mad enough to stop krakening tho?

[shell hazel]

she probaby has yours as well

[hollow lagoon]

i do ultra gets 1 rock and some gear

yesterday

feeling better than kraken already

[shell hazel]

sure kraken kind of sucks

[crystal flicker]

Ultra more tanky

[shell hazel]

especially when you basically get nothing. I need gear for units will eventually have to go back to the gear mines for my raid units

[dim sapphire]

Vesti looking good

[crystal flicker]

Brick

[tulip quest]

Can still roll RH n Biscuit for CS to get 2.5

unless ur Rockless

[quick lake]

One of my vesti pieces

Wanted ele line1, but gave black ammo

[atomic wolf]

i swear anis has no actual combat power

[crystal flicker]

They're not worth CS rocks

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[swift mango]

[spiral onyx]

[onyx scaffold]

2% cs

24% cs aren't enough huh

[tropic summit]

which is great, the way it should be, let's start the "kill all gacha" movement already, i'm waiting with popcorns at hand

[tropic summit]

yeah MMO were in a sense the fathers and mothers of gacha, as they introduced microtransaction and limited content to p2p

[tropic summit]

burned out quickly, think in 2 or 3 months i had quit already

[umbral crown]

[bold mirage]

this is my first champion area. Could i get some help making some teams and updating my special arena teams?

[fathom rock]

Can you even call that playing

[fathom rock]

I can't make ca teams but if you send roster someone should cook you up something
I've only been to CA once I suxk

[bold mirage]

or just updating SpA team since ive pulled a lot of new ones

lemme get roster and current teams

[tropic summit]

eggscatly

[tropic summit]

you wouldn't suck if you had an extra 50-60 levels like your bracket does

[bold mirage]

hi railtracer! i owe all my current pvp success to you

[hollow lagoon]

he cant, he needs to hold off leveling to farm rocks to roll characters so he can do lowest clear

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfry CARE EXPLAINING

[umbral belfry]

[atomic wolf]

i taught him my way

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-understandable-shea-whitney-intelligible-understood-stop-doing-it-stop-everything-gif-20414780

[atomic wolf]

you should be thanking me as well

[tropic summit]

i did nothing it's all you mate

[bold mirage]

i would at u if i could type your name lol

[umbral belfry]

just call him yuri man

[bold mirage]

thank you for your passed down knowledge yuri man

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit yuri man thx for all your pvp tips and everything

[atomic wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1155190656105459853.webp?size=48&name=omegakek

[atomic wolf]

but yeah congrats fam

[fathom rock]

I never did that

[tropic summit]

Echo syndrome be spreading

[bold mirage]

i was jw if yall think i could update/improve my current teams?

[atomic wolf]

rail is ultimately one of the best pvper you can find here

[tropic summit]

me pleb i know nothin'

[umbral belfry]

as a rail disciple i can confirm

[atomic wolf]

i owe him to most of the things i learnt about pvp, and if i lose its not his fault, just the game

because many things you lose to isn't even your fault when it comes to pvp

[fathom rock]

70% of good upgrades lose by cp gap if it works don't fix it

[hollow lagoon]

@tropic summit suffering from success, he mentored a lot of CA winners

[atomic wolf]

sometimes oyu can't win and he simply answers with "just stop thinking about it and try again later, go do something else more productive"

[fathom rock]

Rail or hime cook ca for you

[tropic summit]

hime is better than me in the kitchen

literally speaking

[bold mirage]

the cp gap does help lol

[atomic wolf]

yeah but she's also probably gay

[umbral belfry]

not me rn I'm in bed with a headache

[atomic wolf]

so i'm not gonna ask her

[tropic summit]

oi get better

[shadow pagoda]

Assuming I have every unit and can build any what CA teams should I run

[atomic wolf]

oh shit get better

[umbral belfry]

LMAO WHAT

[umbral belfry]

[bold mirage]

just wondering if theres a better b1 i could swap out pepper for

[atomic wolf]

gay and whale

[umbral belfry]

rumani, and i pray you don't throw that team out vs a jackal

[bold mirage]

hmm but im using rumani for this team

[atomic wolf]

master class teambuilder btw

[umbral belfry]

how can i be if I appreciate husbandos too

[umbral belfry]

pepper is prolly best for you then for the sake of cp stuff

[atomic wolf]

if you like male you're also gay because male has pp

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

u can get better burst gen with Xmica over pepper prob

[atomic wolf]

and liking pp is gay

[umbral belfry]

likely doesn't have, looks like an early acc

[tropic summit]

inb4 hime is the top

[umbral belfry]

okay my head is killing me so

[hollow lagoon]

[atomic wolf]

i dont want to know

[bold mirage]

im only about 2 months old so dont have much of the limited nikkes

[tropic summit]

sweet dreams

[atomic wolf]

its alright, this will do for now

you have a decent team, that will work, you will get better over time

[pale knoll]

I love nikke and wuwa tho

[tropic summit]

you'd love it more if it wasn't a gacha

[bold mirage]

ok thank you ill leave the teams until i can get jackal or noah

[pale knoll]

I want the dopamine

[atomic wolf]

btw @tropic summit is scarlet practically outdated in pvp ca now

because, there are so many team bypassing scarlet burst it's honestly ridiculous

[fathom rock]

Im Investing my cases long term

[hollow lagoon]

not really scarlet will still win most non noahs

[atomic wolf]

we have bay, noah, even blanc (shit) and siren is not always a good choice because she can't stop a 2rl noah

[tropic summit]

glass cannon scarlet yes
soda scarlet it's still good
siren scarlet a bit less than soda
indom scarlet can win more archetypes

[bold mirage]

do you guys have good pvp learning material? ive read prydwen guides but that only goes so far. is it just experience and stalking this chat?

[atomic wolf]

alright so, 101 pvp guide

you need one link to calculate the RL and the patience

[fathom rock]

Pins are like 50% of my knowledge
Other 40% is railtracer and 10% is randomly existing here

[bold mirage]

i feel scrummy coming in here and only asking for help. id love to contribute one day

[atomic wolf]

don't worry too much about it because this is the weakest part of the game

[fathom rock]

My contribution here is 🚮 cuz I can't even beat my bracket

[hollow lagoon]

back when my cp was equvalent to my opponent, i gem my teams till i find out

[bold mirage]

ya but retro youre just a chill guy and very helpful. you bring good vibes

[atomic wolf]

soda scarlet is a bit icky, mainly because it still loses to 2rl noah

ultimately nowadays noah will always burst before siren even has the chance to stun her

[fathom rock]

Brother 90% of scar variants lose to 2rl noah atleast with soda you can gamble that noah don't burst

[atomic wolf]

nah read again

[tropic summit]

we all started from 0 so don't worry

[atomic wolf]

i tested a lots of team and its just like, the burst happens before the stun

[fathom rock]

Yes 11cs can make noah burst before siren

[tropic summit]

you can gain experience from trying on your own or just shortcut with people help and explaining what you doing right or wrong

[fathom rock]

If not 11cs noah get stunned

[atomic wolf]

that's 11cs which everyone can get it nowadays bruh

[severe tundra]

11% charge speed?

[atomic wolf]

yeah

[hollow lagoon]

@fathom rock , at 461 my ein deal 1 damage to mirrior container slipper i wonder if i can absolute trio it if i give me absolute trio ols

[atomic wolf]

also it can be higher afaik

[severe tundra]

Does that include bonus from cube?

[atomic wolf]

the real scum shit is seeing one of your opponent having 15% cs on everyone

[fathom rock]

Slipper broken
Boss aluce
2k bars left
Cuz you lack dmg

What team you use rn

[severe tundra]

(My noah gets stunned)

[fathom rock]

Just 11cs total cube count if you use it

[atomic wolf]

its not because this is a bad thing this is because they're actually investing into pvp, such as myself

[hollow lagoon]

ein rouge cinderella helmt crown

[tropic summit]

you can find it out easily here if your team has enough CS% to burst before siren stun, you're looking for this

https://nikke.work/

[fathom rock]

11cs on almost the whole team tho

[severe tundra]

Time to do some maths

[fathom rock]

Rouge out for liter

[hollow lagoon]

what do i use for b1 then?

[fathom rock]

Mb bro

[hollow lagoon]

oh

my liter not good

[fathom rock]

I put an accidental a i font of liter and autocorrect decided it is alice

[hollow lagoon]

i'm kind of

[fathom rock]

How much cp?

[hollow lagoon]

wanting to try absolute trio to ignore mechanic and just got for tru dmg

[hollow lagoon]

orange gear

and skills 858

[fathom rock]

[hollow lagoon]

[atomic wolf]

WHAT IS THIS TECHNOLOGY FROM THE FUTURE

[fathom rock]

481 it is for you or run sanis or mmast instead of helmt

Attack > attack damage when you're doing 1 dmg

Cuz attack actually help stop you from doing 1 dmg

[hollow lagoon]

i kind of wanna try true damage

[atomic wolf]

wtf is this site bro i dont know what these means

[fathom rock]

Don't waste mats bro

[hollow lagoon]

tbh ein feels like waste of mats atm, she has a lot of self buffs

[fathom rock]

I was like you, it's in pins once you actually understand it tho it's amazing I can help you with that

[severe tundra]

LMFAO

[tropic summit]

chinese stuff, it's very accurate, at least the stun has worked for me 100% accurate

[fathom rock]

That works

What about the rest of team

[severe tundra]

[hollow lagoon]

i'm kind of tuned out of pvp atm after my last ca win and vesti introduction

[fathom rock]

You know what saves you mats and time?
Waiting till you reach 481

[severe tundra]

Oof. Biscuit has less than 2%

[hollow lagoon]

i know, 461 is record clear range lel

[fathom rock]

1.98%????

[atomic wolf]

LINE ISSUE LINE ISSUE LINE ISSUE LINE ISSUE LINE ISSUE LINE ISSUE

[severe tundra]

Helm has less than 3

[hollow lagoon]

i need 1 more line of charge speed on my rapunzel zzzzzz

[atomic wolf]

too confusing i get everyone at least 15% charge speed and do something else instead

[hollow lagoon]

15 is tall order for me atm

@fathom rocki'm feeling a 501 clear with how bad my ein's lines are

[severe tundra]

Man don't yell at me
I wouldn't be here if I knew what I was doing

[atomic wolf]

i get it easy tbh

[fathom rock]

is fine just keep investing

Getting 4cs is easy
Getting 4cs and padding lines is rough
Rolling helm for both cs and pve tho......

[hollow lagoon]

problem is i'm feeling my pve units are kinda bad

[atomic wolf]

just uhhhh???? do deficit????

[hollow lagoon]

i lucked out on helm.... i have 4 cs 2 ele 2 atk

[hollow lagoon]

i'm doing around 30-35% deficit

but man mirrior container

[atomic wolf]

oh im doing auto on everything with 25% deficit

good luck xdddd

[hollow lagoon]

well cant hurt to wait a bit for rest of my entire bracket to catch up, #2 is stuck on mother whale, #3 passed mother whale last week

[crystal flicker]

Crown taunt shenanigans

[hollow lagoon]

that's the important part

[crystal flicker]

I'm too lazy for pushing campaign ngl

[hollow lagoon]

i wouldent mind building up CP really, i was pushing for mirrior container boss music

now i'm only doing it to stay ahead of my bracket

[crystal flicker]

Yeah bracket

[hollow lagoon]

yes

[crystal flicker]

There's a whale in mine, so pushing doesn't really matter lol

[hollow lagoon]

well u see

i'm the whale of my bracket

man motherwhale, you didnt check the rest of them long enough sad

[crystal flicker]

Just whale

[hollow lagoon]

i'm trying to cut down

[crystal flicker]

I have 50 sync diff

[hollow lagoon]

i'm at 90 diff

and it shrinking

[frank ingot]

how do you beat a noise/noah/helm.t/rh/jackal team in rookie arena?

[shell hazel]

what shall I send next? I think for t1 I could beat it with 2rl scar + siren maybe? or RH?

they link on biscuit and vesti so siren stuns blanc which means no indom

with feed bug I may be a little faster even

team 2 is annoying/high cp though my own indom vesti against it could be interesting

team 3 think any 2RL noah variant should just win this

<@&946725432554836008>

[grand plaza]

Does Jackal's single target burst buff is actually useful? Like with HelmT maybe etc

[shell hazel]

I won but my scarlet team didn't lol

interesting matches, actually think she may have won with rh buff

[placid bloom]

it's not really useful. Helm's damage will already overkill, and the other single target nukes aren't strong enough to guarantee you kill

[shell hazel]

kuwon check this out in a min

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BhiqhJyXYHc

[spiral onyx]

https://youtu.be/gaBs-iSsqYg?si=P7QaJByxReeBrw3J

[shell hazel]

hi Keripo!

your scar comp is designed anti-vesti?

[lime night]

can anyone recommend another solve? this was the delayed noah comp i was using which still blocks emilia burst, but it stopped working today for some reason emilia manages to finish off the team with blanc indom

[shell hazel]

is blanc in their link?

maybe before today she wasn't, and now they rolled some she is now? you're high feed with crown and anis

[lime night]

yeah it was the same comp no change

the only diff might be the CP change + he seems to have maxed out the treasure but dont think that makes that big of a difference

[shell hazel]

who links in their team? is this just rookie?

[lime night]

yeah its just rookie, just trying to see why the solve doesnt work anymore (been using it for the past year)

thought it was a pretty good solve as wel tbh

[shell hazel]

did you have a recording of it?

[lime night]

no, but i can make one a bit later

or should i try another solve instead?

[shell hazel]

good to see what is going on with the current one maybe first

[ivory violet]

Personally I would use either Siren to prevent blanc burst

or if that's too slow just build a blanc team that bursts .5 rl slower

[swift mango]

More playing than nikke I guess.

[swift mango]

guess f2p friend games aren't for you.

[fathom rock]

If you mean pvp probably

[swift mango]

nah I mean pve

[fathom rock]

Diabolical take
Please elaborate

[swift mango]

short borish grind, more time to play around with waifu.

[fathom rock]

[scarlet adder]

jackal with invincibility still shares dmg normally?

[swift mango]

nikke novel wear out fast, it's the same old mobs that I have to fight every single day. And phone control suck.

even solo raid, I have to hit the same mobs dozen of times. Fing bore.

[rustic sandal]

how much rolls do you need to have a max nikke q__q?

[lone sequoia]

my 20%cs 2RL team got blocked by a 3RL noah xd

[tropic summit]

no, just boring repetitive gameplay

[swift mango]

Like every single gacha.

[leaden canyon]

Well if any of you can do this for CA I think this only gets get by siren stunning blanc but vesti could still nuke the enemy team I guess

[tired root]

any counter to this comp? it's been a complete nightmare in rookie arena lol

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit cind helmt jackal

[lone sequoia]

2RL noah helm+ 2nd b3

[scarlet adder]

i know i could be faster but i already tried being faster and i died so does it have any chance @tropic summit ?

[hollow lagoon]

ca, locked in, it be what it be

[tired root]

Thanks so much, it worked perfectly!

[swift mango]

My bracket is lazy now. Just like me.

[tropic summit]

well you'll be faster than them, killing RH in p2 will prevent their B1, looks good

[swift mango]

My whale is still log in daily but no union probably means he is only holding on.

[fathom rock]

Or switching

Is still 3rd

[swift mango]

For 2 weeks now.

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

He probably having tons of boxes unused.

From 80 lv diff to less than 60.

[fathom rock]

Casual bracket

[swift mango]

Still faster than you in campaign progression.

[fathom rock]

I'll be in mc till 2026 stop poking that at me

[swift mango]

I guess he called it quit after clearing MC.

[fathom rock]

33-5 is the first stage with volleyballs no?

[swift mango]

It's being like this since before new chap came out.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/wilson-gif-12153788205829092948

blood 2RL scar with siren did not win interestingly... but my indom vesti did well enough
#pvp-arena message

I think maybe RH buff would have chopped through them but instead looks like blanc managed to indom and xmaiden finished me off

[swift mango]

I did said you could use RH for more power. You scarlet+Trina+Siren so bricked she couldn't even kill XMaiden.

[shell hazel]

my scarlet is less bricked now 😄

but still chopping through 2 cp jumps a higher sync and whale cores

[swift mango]

Should be fine if not deficit. But yeah, would have won with RH.

[shell hazel]

if they don't change def I'll send RH next time

I rolled scarlet to this yesterday so she's fairly decent now

need to gather rolls to sort the helm by next CA

was 0% atk now 30%

[swift mango]

31% Ammo.

[shell hazel]

yeah, I will just reset that when I get more rocks i'm out now

can roll to 60% ish

with RH on she should be lethal at least

[swift mango]

When lv5 wingman is actually better than other lv11 cubes.

[shell hazel]

will fix her some more still 🙂

I'll get 381 jump today or tomorrow, will put me in better range of the whale for sheer power

[tropic summit]

it really depends, at least nikke has its kind of challange ironically via deficit which makes it unique

the typical gacha although will burn you out slowly

arknight aswell was kinda different due to the uphill challange and unique maps

[swift mango]

Could try challenge fights in Azur lane and put 1 single Destroyer, preferably a bullin as Vanguard. Now that's extra hard mode.

[tropic summit]

self-imposed challanges are not for me

the game needs to be unique on its own

there's very few games that can retain that well anymore

[swift mango]

You mean the game needs to forced the challenge on you for reward and you need to whale for it, rather than put the challenge out for almost nothing. And other reward easier to gain.

Sure, F2P friendly isn't for you I guess.

[tropic summit]

pso2 was a good exception too, a game skill oriented, good coop via its modes, enjoyable pvp via either PvE rankings/scores or certain modes, had a lot of gameplay styles, lots of classes, not too repetitive

[short moon]

Maybe im using the site wrong, but is https://nikke.work/ the site that tells you if your team is 2RL etc?

[tropic summit]

this one is a bit simple, nikke.work requires you to know a bit what you doing compared

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[short moon]

Ah okay thanks

[swift mango]

I played PSO2 when SEA client was the only client in English. And it closed down now. I'm not creating another account.

[tropic summit]

we don't talk about pso2 sea, that was a failure

the true pso2 experience was on JPN server

with the tiny ENG community, which was very nice

[swift mango]

We have English in steam now. It's the real PSO2 experience.

Playing in Jpn before, you need to find English patch, which was fanmade and subpar.

Barely translate the menu at best

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit vesti rh jackal
or
noah biscuit rh helmt jackal

don't go vesti unless she's properly built, the latter one is way easier

[swift mango]

I mean Nikke very unique with buffing stat of the same mobs to over the top just to force a challenge on you. And you needed to clear it or bricked.

Very unique indeed. Again, if you can only find challenge in unfair things that shoved down your throat then you are probably a masochist for F2P unfriendly and F2P friendly is not for you.

[tropic summit]

no blood, the point is to get something that isn't downright served to you and already estimated for you to clear it without effort

a game is not fun if it's designed to be easily cleared, especially predictably

even more so if it has a static pacing and same kind of patterns

[swift mango]

Challenge fight in Azur lane need effort to clear even with a full squad. it just offer no noticable reward.

[tropic summit]

that sucks, no reward no point

good games used to give you tasty rewards, like unique skins or unique drops, when dealing with handicaps/difficulties

a testament to your effort, at least

[swift mango]

There are rewards, even a ranking board. Sometime frame.

[tropic summit]

screw ranking board and frames

[swift mango]

But see, you are masochist for F2P unfriendly.

[tropic summit]

need something more tangible

[swift mango]

5000 gold.

[tropic summit]

isn't that just copium reward

[swift mango]

Everything in Azur lane is so F2P friendly already. What you ask for more.

[tropic summit]

ye but the problem is that azur lane is boring af

great model in that aspect, but the gameplay is barebones

[swift mango]

To be frank Nikke game play is pretty bareboned as well. If you say you need to dodge and aim in boss fight. You could try challenge mode in Azur lane, where you ship could actually die and you have to dodge the bullet hell.

[cedar orbit]

Nikke has those amazing distributed damage check enemies

[gritty ridge]

Volleyballs super easy

[tropic summit]

oh i'm not gonna defend nikke, piss poor game nearly as much

the only thing i can't complain is that it at least pushes your skill when on deficit

albeit in the worst way possible, with HP sponge and stat nerf

[gentle harness]

Ooops, been hitting 1st at reset to prevent another guy from sniping me just before reset. 1st is level 620 and I'm 583.

[tropic summit]

which makes it a bit harder to burn out to compared to azur lane

[tropic summit]

fellow underdog

[gentle harness]

Didn't mean to win.

[frail hamlet]

I have a guy who tries to snipe me before reset, but he messed up today and gave me 14seconds to decide to retaliate
just enough time to take it back and start the day with 2 attacks

[cedar orbit]

Today I also ended on 1st, but 3rd and 6th CN whales gonna hit me at 3 am

[tropic summit]

why aren't you spending more than them, show em who's boss

CP gap them back

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[swift mango]

Try again when he gets 1 more level.

[cedar orbit]

they have crazy attack investments on their niche units

[gentle harness]

Hoping he doesn't notice, dude hasn't been attacked in months.

[cedar orbit]

in this matchup, I needed to run Noise, because Mihara's DoT killed me normally in the 2 sec where Blanc is invincible

[tropic summit]

he'll notice within 24hrs

still gets you some good spare points during that time

[frail hamlet]

oooo bad call on his end
I guess he thought I didn't time it right and thought I only had one attack remaining, so he immediately attacked me just now and let me take it back

if he attacks me again, I'll take it back and he'll be without attacks for the remainder of the day AND will have me start in first again tomorrow

[cedar orbit]

but you know, when I run this comp into a 2RL Scarlet team, I'm nowhere near to kill them, but my Mihara has like 40% attack

[swift mango]

The 2 guys who could actually attack me is so lazy these days. Just like me.... I just attacked C1 to test team for Vesti but one time and no more.

[tropic summit]

are they gapped against you?

[gentle harness]

1st and 2nd have such shit teams, only reason I won. If they had proper teams, no way I'd win with our power gaps. One of them is using the freebie Rapunzel for example.

[swift mango]

Who gapped? My whale came from 80 level above to 56 ahead. He semi quitting now, only log in once a day.

My Gemmer C2 is a dolphin with new Pilgrim all c7, even drunk scarlet c7. But he is only 10 ish level above me.

[tropic summit]

oh then they're really lazy af

[cedar orbit]

the guy I hit for 1st is also sitting on like 60 levels worth of boxes, waiting for Nikke 2

[swift mango]

They used to online every hours to attack back when we were still competitive.

Aside from sleep ofc

[tropic summit]

honestly, gets boring fast

the most meaningless of the things in the game

hit twice, done for the day, that's my creed, unless i gotta countersnipe or i can poke at upper ranks on deficit

if anyone gemmin' they can have it, aint gonna play their game

[swift mango]

Especially since C1-3 became undisputed. And my 2 other guys tried CA but couldn't win.

[gentle harness]

I am weak for my bracket, so I gotta bully people until they leave me alone. Worked pretty well so far I'd say. If you're annoying enough, they get bored and move on.

Cou is usually 2nd, 3rd usually 1st.

[tropic summit]

that's called common sense, a rather rare virtue to find in this game higher ranks

sometimes an headache or wasting time idling uselessly on this game aint worth the 300 extra gems or even a CA slot

i can relate

[swift mango]

He looks like his CP is in range and could get to CA just fine.

[tropic summit]

what the hell is an hyper pregnant man

[swift mango]

Ay, should be a triplet inside.

[placid bloom]

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

[placid bloom]

just birth a full family at once

[tropic summit]

bro almost ready to play LoL 5v5 team ranked with that

or actually 3 children + wife + himself he's all set

[placid bloom]

do pregnant men need wives or can they reproduce asexually

[swift mango]

I mean even eunuchs in ancient times had wives.

[gentle harness]

Thought I had screenshots of his entire team, but yeah dude is trolling for his defence.

[placid bloom]

I am surprised the other guys don't hit him down to diamond

[swift mango]

Scar Blanc his ass and win by counter with class.

[gentle harness]

Think I used Noah, Biscuit, Cindy, Helm, Rumani. Teams intended for a different person.

Kinda sad I didn't record it, was too surprised I won.

[quartz rover]

[swift mango]

One team is stronger than my 5.

[wind kelp]

Laplace doll to SR15 -> about 60 blue and 40 purple or some such.
Viper doll -> 350 blue, 120 purple, 20 gold. SR6 XD

It all balances out, just like ticket pulls. Just funny when it happens in row.

[swift mango]

Did you do R15 doll or SR0?

Probably sr0.

[wind kelp]

SR0, no R dolls. And i don't fuss that much over it :p

I've played XCOM, i know what 90% means!

[swift mango]

I used to reroll this but not anymore.

Weekly doll reward spoiled me

[ivory violet]

Same ik it's optimal but i kinda just don't care

[swift mango]

I mean, I don't need doll mats as much these days.

[ivory violet]

me neither

[shell hazel]

I do if it's really bad lol

but yeah I barely do it, today I didn't and it was nothing that special

enough decent things I'll just

[wind kelp]

Also why i don't mind that much, i got plenty of sr15 units, although i should start saving for the Absolute gearing and maybe red hood when i get her in 3 years.

[tardy bone]

what is ClipSG ClipR

[shell hazel]

I figure you can usually SR-15 at least 1-2 things on a solo raid - so I don't worry too much

same for the dolls, got my selectors then

[gritty ridge]

Chat i have blue defenses in spa

[tardy bone]

I have all the Nikkes except for emilia, how could I make this teams better?

I picked up the first 2 teams from the pins, unsure about the 3rd one

[gritty ridge]

Even csm units?

[sterile matrix]

Hello guys I need some advise is the Helm burst good for pvp ?
Any tipps to make the 2 teams better one team is just there as sacrifice .
Thanks for the help :)

My main units are Doro, Alice, Crown, Helm, Mermaid they are really high cp wise compared to others. Have some blue dolls but not sure if its worth

[tardy bone]

what is csm?

[gritty ridge]

Chainsaw man

[tardy bone]

Ok no, I dont have emilia and CSM units, my bad.

[gritty ridge]

Ah ok

[tardy bone]

I even have the new vesti

Unsure how I can make those teams better, maybe the 3rd team could be improved but idk how

[gritty ridge]

I can scrounge ya up some teams in a bit

[tardy bone]

thank you

[sterile matrix]

my screen shots are bad let me fix u guys cant see power

Mihara is one of my highest in cp as well* sorry coudnt edit screen shots on my original post

[tardy bone]

what other units do you have besires the ones in the pic?

High CP means nothing if the other one burst first. or they nuke you.

[sterile matrix]

All other are in the first pic. and almost same cp

I am not sure if I made the 2 strongest teams but maybe I have wrong burst positions or something

[tardy bone]

Yeah that is out of my field, hope someone helps you soon.

[sterile matrix]

any help plss

[swift mango]

Vesti is pretty OP, darn.

my cp down 40k but still win.

[umbral belfry]

blood said vesti is op we did it chat

[eager mountain]

yayyyyyy (contributed nothing)

[swift mango]

I had to go and maxed her doll. Best luck I ever got. 🍀

[umbral belfry]

it was meant to be blood

[swift mango]

I still have jackal and Biscuit needed to be max doll.

Vesti > RRH.

[atomic path]

need help with pvp teams, pulled Noah today and heard she's top tier in pvp

[velvet jungle]

for pvp do I give my tetra defender gear to anis or rumani?

[eager mountain]

rumani first

but dont invest much in pvp if ur low sync

[velvet jungle]

yeah i'm not going to OL it but not like I have a different tetra defender

i got into champion league this time so just getting my 4th and 5th teams together

[eager mountain]

oh, nice, yeah you might need to ol them later on if ur opponent cp/cs gaps u with ol but prob takes a while

[velvet jungle]

yeah solo raid/pve units first for me. my arena group seems very passive

[eager mountain]

imo normal campaign>ai kraken> hard campaign>>>other modes
will take u a while to top3% sr, better focus on getting more cd and rocks

similar logic applies to pvp in the long run, cd and rocks matters more in the long run then rushed investment

[velvet jungle]

something i haven't understood is how I am supposed to get enough manufacturer t9s if I only do kraken. even mixing in other interceptions, it's still my bottleneck.

[eager mountain]

u wont, ull still do kraken more so than other ai in the future
well my case is exterme cuz i had enough t9s so a point where i still dont need to touch other ai for gears but only titles

rapi siren crown thelm/mmast good for all ai anyways, just need a elem dps or 2 for each

[velvet jungle]

still no siren crown

[eager mountain]

no crown? pve bricked

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177116972593463316/1396930990169133189/brick.gif

[velvet jungle]

[umbral belfry]

ah yes

the days of being forced to use tia until crown

[velvet jungle]

that me

[glad meteor]

cope with grave

[swift mango]

My Vesti has a 16% Crit rate without even try. My Scarlet can't hope to compare.

[eager mountain]

after a whole year of crown dominance, they decided to release siren... that reinforces crowns supremacy

[wicked horizon]

These win, right? (My Scarlet won't get stunned.)

[swift mango]

Then use Mast. With Grave, mast is better.

Than helm

[swift mango]

Should be

[wicked horizon]

I did

[eager mountain]

whats ur minimum cs on t1

[wicked horizon]

Minimum what?

[eager mountain]

charge speed.

[wicked horizon]

idk

0?

[eager mountain]

well ye dont need trina anyways, their team is messed up

[swift mango]

I have invested in Arena since low synch.

Campaign come first ofc

The only time I was able to win against my whale and he couldn't break my def was when we are both low synch (he still 40 above me) and I had Arena units OL when he didn't.

It was more than a year ago.

The only time I was undisputed C1.

For 3 weeks.

[covert lintel]

[swift mango]

what have you done?

[shell hazel]

1+ gems 🙂

[swift mango]

Maybe you should exclude the "reshuffle" from your name and keep just [bricked]

[swift mango]

Maybe stop gem claim or only claim 50 for a year.

[sterile musk]

any tips for sp arena teams ? first 10 units have atleast 3 ol gears tia,naga,selleg only 3 ol other ones full ol

[wild patio]

[lofty hull]

So, I had apparently put some characters on Arena cubes but today I relearned that Arena has separate cubes from regular and to put it bluntly, my dumb self had put LaPlace on the Bastion Cube so it's apparent I don't know who should get what cube. So I was wondering if someone can help me put cubes where they're supposed to be?

I have access to;
Assault level 9
Onslaught level 6
resilience level 8
Bastion level 10
adjutant level 6
wingman level 4

[tropic summit]

middle finger to all these whels

[raven plover]

[tropic summit]

use this https://nikke-deck.web.app/

put your teams in there, mess with quantum cube and see if any unit allows you to hit threshold for 2.5RL (CS% included if you've any)

on a very general note:

-healers benefit from vigor cube
-tanks from temperance (or squishy B3s)
-resil on s.anis is powerful
-bastion/resil on units you want extra stats on is useful (e.g. B3 carries)
-quantum on batteries
-adjutant if it allows you to hit CS% threshold, e.g 11%-18%-21%

[lofty hull]

what's a CS threshold?

also ty

[tropic summit]

charge speed, enough threshold allows you to hit 2.5RL mark point

[lofty hull]

ah...

[tropic summit]

a 2.5RL team burts on B3 while opponent is on B1

as you can imagine, if opponent B1 is a non HP/damage reduction buffer, they're punished because you'll be nuking and they're not on B2 (noah or bay)

a typical example is scar-jack on 2.5RL against a noah/bay 3RL without a noise or a moran B1

they'll fall like leaves

here's an example

speed for the most part can decide a match

the sooner you familiarize yourself with that, the more matches you'll win

here's the opposite example, as in a team that uses anti nuke and prevents that

these 2 teams are generally enough to win any attack, as most defenses fail to meet these requirements on defense

due to the nature of rock paper scissor of this game

[sterile matrix]

@tropic summit u have so tipps for betting ? Just apply the rock paper scissors ?

[tropic summit]

you mean in CA?

you need to learn the archetypes and what they work against

[umbral crown]

[tropic summit]

e.g. a 2RL noah into a 2RL glass cannon scarlet will win

a 2RL scarlet into a 3RL team will nuke em

a 2.5RL stall team will win against a weak indom B3

an SG team will win against vulnerable teams (non biscuit locked)

[sterile matrix]

The mode where u cheer and can get a frame to cheer everthing wrong and right

[tropic summit]

ye as above

[shell hazel]

if you don't move they can't see you

[crystal flicker]

Need to understand PvP and pray RNG didn't mess your cheer

[shell hazel]

-# just stay perfectly still

[tropic summit]

today i got 5hrs on ch1, should get another 5h tonight, extra gain for dealing with teaming chinnits

[shell hazel]

they sleeping on the job 😄

[tropic summit]

although they seem to be infighting

[lofty hull]

ok. so i put the teams in there and it gave me gibberish numbers, one of the teams has a box around 3 RL whatever that means. I can't find a help button on this page unfortunately

[shell hazel]

they're just frustrated that whaling isn't winning for them 😛

[tropic summit]

ye you want to aim for 2.5RL or 2RL box

[sterile matrix]

Can i read something about 2.5 rl B3, B1 .? How can I calculate that ?

[tropic summit]

these are the best batteries, make a combo of teams that ideally include some of these units, especially CLIP RL

you'll still need to avoid dropping CP too much, as it makes the team useless if it can be gapped

also a team should have jackal and a team should've noah and biscuit if you're not experienced in building pvp teams

you can post your box here and someone can build them for you if you're confused

[sterile matrix]

I think I posted something and no comment on it

[lofty hull]

those numbers are all gibberish. lol I just followed nikke.gg's recommended teams for mine and then I chucked newer units in here and there 😅

[sterile matrix]

Did u get the cheer frame ?

[lofty hull]

the what?

I was talking about the picture enriched posted.

If there is a avatar frame you get for cheering in the tournaments I had no idea it existed

[sterile matrix]

What is RL ?

[sterile matrix]

Yeah everything wrong or correct

[leaden canyon]

Lol this deficit

[lofty hull]

I don't see it in my list, so no. I don't have it.

[sterile matrix]

Any suggestions on how to build 2 good teams.
My current strategy is I have 2 strong teams and 1 weak team and put the weak vs strongest enemy team.

Mihara, Doro, Alice, Mermaid,Helm are really high cp compared to rest

Thanks for the help

[sterile matrix]

RL is how fast they burst ?

[covert lintel]

I tried to get mommy emma

[covert lintel]

Never

[lofty hull]

so, whichever RL is lowest at 100 or more % is your RL number?

[covert lintel]

Weird roll

[mystic rain]

wait ur swordsmy???

LMAO

[quick lake]

The one and only

[mystic rain]

yea i remember i lost my prediction cux he lost to chris on finals

mfer

XDDDD

[umbral belfry]

LOL

[quick lake]

[rich ledge]

Any suggestions? Can I beat him?

Or maybe it is better against this guy?

[covert lintel]

Level up to 421 then you can do it

[rich ledge]

Lol I'm f2p by the time I'm lvl 421 then he will be 461+ even 480+

Is the 2nd guy ok? The CP is not that great

[quaint nebula]

Guys which unit should I give RL SR dolls (I have 2) and in what order of priority?

Trina, Rumani, Centi, Laplace (for treasure), Rapunzel, Anis (SR)

[spare nimbus]

Will the first two win?

[rich ledge]

this is my box, i didnt take the bottom last few rows, please help me to beat them
#pvp-arena message < this probably has higher chance since not so CP gapped
#pvp-arena message

[thin abyss]

Does anyone know how much charge speed Vesti needs? Is 15% enough?

[vapid lake]

Iirc the breakpoints are 5% and 22%

Anything inbetween make no diff

[keen vapor]

Vesti no CS needed for me then

[vapid lake]

get 5% it's doable

[white prawn]

How much investment does vesti need to be good?

[thin abyss]

So that toggle in Nikke deck is 5% CS?

[vapid lake]

that i dont know, usually that toggle assume maximum breakpoint

[vapid lake]

4/7/7 -> 4/10/7 -> 4/10/10
Burst must be 7 so her autoattack splash can hit all 5 enemies, skill 2 is where all her damage comes from so 7 is minimum

Need 16 ammo at least (x2 ammo line) in addition to atk and ele

[rich ledge]

Ok I beat him using the teams Im showing

[gritty ridge]

Useless jackal smh

2rl vesti indom should work

So would nero moran

Scar soda

Rosanna

[gaunt bane]

Any comment on my defense team?

[ionic rose]

U can only beat it with basically the same setup but instead of redhood u put in summer anis

[gaunt bane]

my box is here: https://www.blablalink.com/shiftyspad/nikke-list?uid=MjkwODAtNjk0NzgzNDI1MDUyOTc3MzU1OA%3D%3D

[frank ingot]

This worked, thank you

[gritty ridge]

The guy I was giving suggestions to dissappeared

[raven cairn]

can someone help with new ca teams?

[white prawn]

Is she good for defend or attack or both?

[vapid lake]

Both

[rain totem]

First team can beat first and last team but can not beat 2 teams

[ivory violet]

you're getting cp gapped pretty hard even with a level advantage

[frank zephyr]

@gritty ridge Time to cook, just don't burn down the kitchen. Just assume anything past this is no doll and 4/4/4 at best. This account has no Noah or Rapunzel either.

[gritty ridge]

No noah?

We're cooked

[frank zephyr]

[gritty ridge]

Sir that is 24 units I need 25

Minimum

[frank zephyr]

You know my accounts. I have everything but limited

[gritty ridge]

And noah

Smh I cant use snow white doro team

[frank zephyr]

Snow White

[gritty ridge]

Its an actual team

Snow white indom with doro b1

[frank zephyr]

My Quantum cube is level 2 🤔

[gritty ridge]

Oh wait

No pascal

[frank zephyr]

I have Nier

[gritty ridge]

Then we're good

3 potentially 4 2rl teams

[frank zephyr]

Hope my alt gets put in a bracket full of bots

Now I gotta change Sopa's teams on my main 😢

[gritty ridge]

5th team is yolo with no invests on any account

[ivory violet]

are there really bots in CA

[frank zephyr]

They got me out of qualifiers last time

[frank zephyr]

Only if you're whale and get in way earlier than you're supposed to

[ivory violet]

oh ok I normally just get owned by actual ppl it'd be good for my ego to make it past the first round

[gritty ridge]

You have 2rl scar, 2rl helm bay, 2rl rosana sg, potentially 2rl sbs indom depending on matchup

[frank zephyr]

I also just got Scarlet today

Off the daily discounted single

[gritty ridge]

[frank zephyr]

Sora 🤔

[gritty ridge]

Clears stun

Shes pretty solid actually

Mica with less gen but no feed

[frank zephyr]

Alright now it's time to erase Sopa's legacy, but I gotta set these and put gear on them first. We'll see how your cook goes on the alt

[raven cairn]

?

[gritty ridge]

I would but im abt to go to bed. If you still need help tmr I can cook

[frank zephyr]

@gritty ridge

[gritty ridge]

?

[frank zephyr]

Sopa's legacy stands for one more cycle then

[gritty ridge]

Missed deadline?

[raven cairn]

its fine then, ill just wait till next ca to change em

[frank zephyr]

No, I just work in the morning and I won't change them up

[gritty ridge]

Ah

[frank zephyr]

Their teams were.. interesting

[dire root]

That combat power gap.

[neat nexus]

are there any team i could use for special arena

[dire root]

A little confused

cna someone explain how sirens stun hit P3?

or was it some other stun

[gritty ridge]

Taunt

[dire root]

Oh

right

Welp Siren hard counters noah then

[gritty ridge]

🙅‍♀️

[gentle harness]

Bruh, he's 36 levels higher than me.

[heady peak]

what does treasure poli generate?

burst wise? what's her burst gen

[thin abyss]

Same as any other non SG clip nikke
A misery

[heady peak]

wasn't sure if her treasure form changes anything... cause I swore drake treasure has higher burst gen

[thin abyss]

T Drake generates a little more because of her skill 2

But it doesn't make much difference tbh

[heady peak]

aah ok. Also is vesti worth investing into for pvp?

i wrote that entire group off atm

for pve.. but then i remember she's RL

but she's not clip is she?

was thinking maybe she has a decent burst

[grand plaza]

She is SSS tier pvp, not because of burst gen but her ability to remove enemy team

[heady peak]

could replace scarb in my line up

okay, so that is a reason to pull for her.

scarBage atm, is my weakest team atm... can't kill shit fast enough.

[swift mango]

You could have asked me if I would lose.

I mean one guy asked me just that twice that season and got his frame.

[heady peak]

or is that a bad idea? I mean scarbage was never a greaaaaat b3... but she had some aoe

[grand plaza]

Idk why you call her garbage while she is one of the strongest pvp b3

[heady peak]

scarbage is a joke on another server just like scarlet regular is midlet

[rich ledge]

The guy changed his defense will my team 2 and 3 win?

[grand plaza]

Idk go ask there then

[grand plaza]

Team 2 yeah, but team 3 nope imo

[rich ledge]

Team 3 as in scarlet team nope? What do I need to change?

[heady peak]

I think you are maybe reading into it too seriously. Scarlet Black. ScarB. That simple, and some one just added in the garbage joke cause she's one of the best units in the game still. When other units are being phased out, and she is still going in the passage of time.

[grand plaza]

Use attacker advantage, just create 2 strong teams instead of 3.

You can beat last team if you are also 2-2brl and activate Blanc indom before wiped out

Closing CP difference would help as well

[rich ledge]

Yea I'm betting on my scarlet and Cindy team only vesti team is leftovers for fun

1st photo is team 3 haha

[grand plaza]

When you said she is a joke on another server I thought you mean she is so bad it's a joke, and honestly I just didn't have the energy to enter a debate about it

[grand plaza]

Lol just realized, your Scarlet have ammo lines?

[rich ledge]

I made it 30 ammo to dodge siren

48.39% ammo

[grand plaza]

Well then, it looks like you win

Double buffed Scarlet should kill Siren which is enough to win the game

[rich ledge]

Oo 48% ammo if rounded down should be 29 ammo though I think. Ok I'll attack him late at night so he doesn't defend

[vapid mica]

is it better if i replace tdrake or xmaiden here with tlaplace or no?

[forest zodiac]

could someone please help me with this?

[rich ledge]

Xmaiden has higher burst gen is generally better unless ur laplace has much higher CP and u need the CP boost

[vapid mica]

i mean their cp is almost the same so ig not

[swift mango]

Let him learn and invest.

[swift mango]

Vesti is so OP, I cleared 33% deficit in Campaign on phone. My Rapipi only 1 AtK 2 ele even.

I don't even have Mast high CP like Penguin so had to use RH.

@tropic summit have you got to 180 and passed that stuck stage?

@keen vapor get to my level Edit: Okay you already got it.

[swift mango]

Should be 30. Just do a training ground to check

[jagged mesa]

Another vesti PvE believer I love u

[swift mango]

SBS is not very good indeed

But Drunk scarlet is undisputed best B3 in the game.

[grand plaza]

Damn yet another reason to pull for her

I wish there wouldn't be 50 banners to pull after that

[tropic summit]

ye i'm already lvl 500 outpost

[shell hazel]

seems some RNG in my whale matches boo

I will focus 2 teams instead I think of trying for 3 working ones

[tropic summit]

your teams are on the left, it assumes your rosanna is 7/10/10 atk 20-30%

the point of the T3 is to get enemy RH to B3 so you can deny it all on invulnerable noah on 2 stacks of biscuit

[forest zodiac]

I haven't build rosanna yet

[tropic summit]

time to get her built then

[rich ledge]

yea vesti is quite good at campaign she just keeps wiping the screen, though now im stuck at boss and she cant help

[tropic summit]

there's this alternative although it will be far riskier, run temperance on noah, vigor on rapu, quantum lvl 7 on biscuit to hit treshold, s.anis with resil and helmT with w/e

s.anis burst lvl 9 minimun, must've no ammo OL

[forest zodiac]

what it takes to kill t2?

[tropic summit]

double rotation

or vesti indom

[shell hazel]

super vesti indom maybe works on that yeah

[shell hazel]

but need well built vesti

[tropic summit]

for T1 it's glass cannon scarlet with siren stun pressure, anything that can anti nuke on 2RL and run B1 p1

so... 2RL indom or 2RL bay or 2RL noah

the fact you're rosannaless hinders a bit your choices, but those are your options

bay version to save your noah:

[shell hazel]

they really need to fix the arena bugs

lost my last 2RL scar match as my DrakeT killed herself on double scar counters

[tropic summit]

bay version to save both your noah and helmt at the cost of jackal

you should've everything to make your choice

[forest zodiac]

does it matter if I don't have fav item on bay?

[tropic summit]

no bay in p4 works regardless of treasure

you'll be fine as long as your CP doesn't tank in penalty

[covert lintel]

I created a troll team again for CA

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/well-waiting-caddyshack-gif-5385414

[forest zodiac]

am I stupid?

I'm sorry you posted teams that use jackal in both teams?

[tropic summit]

i posted all the counters and options

you need to commit to 2 teams

pick T1 and T3 or T1 and T2

T3 is sensible to rosanna, else you gotta stall with s.anis which is riskier

T2 is sensible to double rotation or heavy indom carry

T1 is sensible to any 2RL indom or 2RL anti nuke

[forest zodiac]

so without vesti, rosanna or lapT this can't be done?

[tropic summit]

lapT is replacable, you don't need vesti if you double rotation, rosanna you can try with s.anis although it's riskier

instead of laplaceT for example you can use xmaiden, same burst gen tier

use this if you're unsure on your burst gen:
https://nikke-deck.web.app/

[dim sapphire]

Does vesti need buffer?

[tropic summit]

single buff at least, ideally indommed

else she needs to work behind stall, e.g. noah

examples

[atomic wolf]

funny question can i use bay off helm

[tropic summit]

you mean bay without helm?

or to counter helmT burst?

bay can be used without helmt sure

i posted an example above

as long as you don't need her passive buff or sustain any B3 can do fine, although it needs commit from clip RLs

those teams also suffer from reduced CP due to 4 utilities, when facing whels that can get problematic

[atomic wolf]

bay without helm

better than blanc?

[tropic summit]

they serve different purposes

blanc is better than bay on defense

bay is situational

[atomic wolf]

oh nice

oh not nice

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit at some point care to see my two matches and see what went wrong on the second one lol? 😄

[tropic summit]

link it again cuz i might've missed it

[shell hazel]

ah I hadn't sent it yet just wanted to check you were about first

so this one won (misindom on match 2)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QTSzy5mFoFE

this one horribly lost (I messed about with t2 positions some to see if vesti could live at p1, she can't)
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/scEZJbPMsn0

so I was sort of expecting t2 not to win either match, but I think 1 I lost second time around due to DrakeT killing herself which triggered ros

and on t3 not sure how they're bursting in time or if my scar didn't crit on 2nd set leading to failure? jackal didn't link to p1 before so jackal feed is only on splash to p2

[tropic summit]

so one of the issue is scar being dependant on critting or s2 RNG, because it seems you're not lethal (her lacking lines is the main problem)
the other is running drake against scarlet's s2, that's pointless, do not run SGs against scarlet

[shell hazel]

I have raised my scar lines pretty good

much better than the 🧱 I had before

yeah I am aware of that one haha, though I needed her to keep 2RL, I think if I added in LapT I wasn't quite

my scar lines are fairly good now

I think I can also just focus on two of the teams myself instead of rng on t2/t3 some

[tropic summit]

assuming your scarlet was lethal, you could triple win

[shell hazel]

yeah it was close in the first set, but I can't make my scar much more lethal tbh - just got atk to add to the helm

[tropic summit]

scarlet needs 40%atk

[shell hazel]

and some reset attributes for slightly more atk

[tropic summit]

you're on 29%

[shell hazel]

yeah, I ran out of rocks basically :0

I plan to re-roll her helm for next CA startu

[tropic summit]

if you can't wipe on a non crit when on double buff it's a bad sign

[shell hazel]

whale tech on my opponent as well + 2 cp jumps as well though

[tropic summit]

you're not in deficit

[shell hazel]

I get 381 today will help, they're 409

[tropic summit]

i can 1hitko my whale when not on deficit and that's 61

i can't 1hitko only when in deficit

[shell hazel]

I'll have to see how extra atk does

[tropic summit]

probably would fix ur issue

[shell hazel]

but only 4 rocks - just gotta save some

otherwise I'm just wanting safe wins if I can, if they don't edit teams, I think I can just indom vesti the cindy team no biscuit

should be extremely safe against the 2rl scar

[hollow lagoon]

me here with 0

[shell hazel]

that's because Hime stole them all 😛

[tropic summit]

that denies both rosanna and nuke

[hollow lagoon]

that's 2rl but how do u do damage

[tropic summit]

his xmaiden does enough, it's glass cannon scarlet

[hollow lagoon]

single target is rough tho

[shell hazel]

this against the cindy?

link is 1-2-3 (can move helm to p5)

[hollow lagoon]

oh i thought ur crazy nyff to roll that on ca

[tropic summit]

ye could work, vesti dmg post noah shield is generally lethal and they've no biscuit, although they've some DR

if anything it's a good test to benchmark her current DPS on some DR

[shell hazel]

yeah, I'll send it later, if it fails I'll re-think

I won a similar one where indom did work but moran was tanking as well

[tropic summit]

tbh just get ur bay budget built, 4/4/4 no OL, if CP allows, this is a no brainer

[shell hazel]

cp is rough tbh

[tropic summit]

then vesti looks more like the viable option

[shell hazel]

yeah

my bay is 4/4/4 no OL already but think it tanks me some

I can check what it looks like later on

[tropic summit]

just needs to not be in deficit

if vesti fails keep this one in mind

lunch break is over, cya in a few hours

[shell hazel]

am not hyper gemming to fight this guy instantly all the time, just sending comps for science see what works

thanks Rail catch you in a bit 🙂

[hollow lagoon]

i'm ready to get rekt in ca lel

my vesti is pertty bad dont think ill have a good time

1atk no ele 4 ammo is all i got

[shell hazel]

this from 57 seconds in shows where vesti indom with moran tanking worked well - but the RNG on the indom without jackal is rough lol
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BhiqhJyXYHc

[hollow lagoon]

hence i'm not running vesti on indom

killing my win rate with scarlet team for something i havent test is....

here's me hoping my 2.5 rl noah-biscuit does better with vesti instead of cinderella

[shell hazel]

should do

yeah my vesti isn't fully ready either

[hollow lagoon]

i been trying to roll my scarlet better

and she's not getting better

[shell hazel]

[hollow lagoon]

and with @umbral belfry stealing my meth rocks

man my rolls are terrible

my entire account is carried by dupes

[shell hazel]

Hime!

[nimble swan]

running R5 vesti in CA is not a good idea, right?

[atomic wolf]

i love cocaine

[tulip quest]

https://tenor.com/view/crystal-addiction-rock-on-gif-26401529

Addicting we just can't have enuf XD

[hollow lagoon]

Never nuff

[shell hazel]

hopefully we're not in the same quals this time @nimble swan 😄

[nimble swan]

yeah would be nice 😄

i could have had a nice cook with vesti but she's too low invest so i gave up

[swift mango]

Roll better!

[hollow lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/946719897390563328/1410648793552130129/RDT_20250615_0909457470601301747473233.gif

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/parksandrec-ronswanson-luck-fail-failure-gif-5094875

[hollow lagoon]

I want to but I have no rock

[ionic rose]

Game is not giving me Scarlet dupes and theres 1 hour before CA begins gg

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

[hybrid fox]

@swift mango for the scar soda trina team
if siren substitutes soda
is scar trina rosanna still going to win? because soda and siren both stuns

[hollow lagoon]

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

Ros Scar always beats stun Scar. Stun doesn’t matter if your B3 is dead

[hybrid fox]

my rosie cant kil lall I think

[placid bloom]

Seems you need to feed her

[hybrid fox]

😭 nah my bracket's level is just that high

[tulip quest]

Scarlet is pilgrim hard to pull

[grand plaza]

Whale problems

All I ask is one copy

[ionic rose]

[shell hazel]

<@&946725432554836008>

[teal pulsar]

Get outta here

[ionic rose]

What abomination did i miss

[shell hazel]

usual money scam pic thing

[fiery parcel]

Is it right for me to assume my team won because of vesti dom?

Whats a good team to beat this, btw in rookie arena?

I mean ignoring CP deficit

[quartz rover]

would anyone like to help me with a CA team?

I don't expect to win or anything but its probably better than the auto set ones

sorted by power

ca roster input is in 24 minutes so I cant change the sync targets in time

[short plaza]

is vestis burst good for PvP? I've been wondering for a while and it seems you're using her

[fiery parcel]

I have no idea. But she seems to be able to take down almost the whole opposing team when given dom. Im not sure if it's luck or good pvp team building

[swift mango]

@spiral onyx Sorry but I had to copy your Vesti team because I have no CS.

[umbral belfry]

my whole group got raptured LMAOOO

[grand plaza]

@shell hazel Ffff, after 33 pulls I thought I got her but.. nice Elysion fake

Looks like Vesti is coming with wishlist

[shell hazel]

damn wrong one lol

[grand plaza]

Yeah wrong character and wrong generation

[swift mango]

1/1/2026

[grand plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-noooo-omg-omg-no-gif-12379687

[fiery parcel]

Can i have a tldr answer. Or a detailed one? Both are good

[grand plaza]

Its kinda funny that I got new forehead before old one tho

[umbral belfry]

@atomic wolf i'm in your bracket now

[swift mango]

Yes. Moran ded before Blanc burst and indom landed on Vesti. Cindy did 2 hit on each nikke and Moran ded on first hit.

[placid bloom]

you got isekai or yuri got reverse isekai

[swift mango]

Replace Jackal with RH.

[coarse solstice]

I'm here too 😄 probably dead already though

[fiery parcel]

So for me tonrepeat this again, moran can maintain currently as fodder?

[placid bloom]

oh it seems like they changed the cutoff dates then

[fiery parcel]

If i OL her, she might survive and the dom will trigger on her?

[swift mango]

This is very random. So if it repeats a second time you could keep using it.

[fiery parcel]

Cool ok

I used noise before this, and kept losing, so when i swapped out to moran, i was surprised i got a win. It didnt matter because the other 2 won anyway, but it is a good backup plan

[placid bloom]

I guess they changed the cutoffs since the new baby bracket was too empty

and too much difference in account creation date

[shell hazel]

CA shuffle as well as SPA shuffle

[umbral belfry]

get me outta here man wtf 😭

[placid bloom]

nah everyone is here

even my voting is in here

[umbral belfry]