pvp-arena

[high stream]

Yeah, I'm forced to heal with HelmT, cause no liter

[shell hazel]

see if same comp/cp and try what I did 🙂

my liter cp kind of low but you do need her again for chap 21/23 hard mode

so not a terrible mid-build option

mine is 4/4 OL with some basic rolls and SR-5, 10/7/7 skills but 7/7/7 prob fine

but it's not wasted due to what I said, 21/23 hard mode boss also needs her for cover rep and you're not miles off that

plus solo raids useful and union raids

[high stream]

Welp

Y'all motivated me to mald some more

Time to come for this aimin whale's throne

[shell hazel]

we did it!

bear in mind what I said you will likely need to build liter a bit by chap 21

[high stream]

Yeah, i should sooner than later

I need more gear mats and stones

[wind kelp]

So last round in Sparena i got second, lost only by 3-2, but this time my Laplace is 3treasured. Should i just "run it back" and see where it goes? 😄 Pop some of those skills and dolls up with all the stuff we got.

I mean, if it kinda worked, just up things and go again right?

[shell hazel]

you mean for CA?

200 gem code my pvp fellows
kohanaihinavol10gwsf

[hollow lagoon]

No

Naga can do it

Shrug

I recall ur Nihilister clear wasn’t impressive be cause ur water dps was meh

[shell hazel]

I lose too much cp adding in Naga instead of Helm

[hollow lagoon]

So literally is whatever but water dps more important

[hollow lagoon]

Wot

[shell hazel]

so liter and siren are closer in cp lol

[hollow lagoon]

I ran both

[shell hazel]

yeah but much higher sync prob 🙂

[hollow lagoon]

No

Well maybe

But my naga has monster cp

Did I even have siren when I was doing Nihilister

I don’t think I had siren when I was doing Nihilister

Man I would have had a easier time because I had to mind my realod cuz otherwise I die to Nihilister’s missile qte

[swift mango]

Ch21? Doesn't need liter though

My hard mode also over 30% deficit and I play on phone.

Rapipi just that good

Mine is just 2 Ele 1 atk

[hollow lagoon]

Chapter 21 was mother whale no?

Didn’t need liter

[shell hazel]

think 21 was behe wasn't it?

or was that 20 and 22

[hollow lagoon]

Behe is 33

[shell hazel]

that's the one I meant anyway, you need cover rep or hyper mald for that fight

it's the one with the one that lobs the rocks

[hollow lagoon]

Cover repair is Nihilister

[shell hazel]

that one 😛

[hollow lagoon]

Slot naga and helm, lots of healing to ignore machine gunfire, can even save you if you took a tick of fire

[shell hazel]

lack dps with both on I find

cp/sync again

[hollow lagoon]

The lack of dps is an illusion, it’s how good ur water dps are that natters

And you know

[fair bear]

I dont understand pvp would this work?

[hollow lagoon]

Destruction cube

The goat cube

[hollow lagoon]

What’s the redhood for

Pad cp?

[fair bear]

Combat power

[hollow lagoon]

Seems like your trying to make a stall?

[fair bear]

idk man I just put together units i think are good for pvp lol

[hollow lagoon]

U look real close to 2 rl tho

Prob should put quantum on anis and/or helm

Redhood b3 might gib u more damage over helm burst

If u want to helm burst I recommend u switch to like rapunzel over redhood so u get more sustain

[fair bear]

Alright

Thanks

[hollow lagoon]

Depends if your rapunzel’s cp

Is good

[shell hazel]

hmm this looks a bit different to usual

[fair bear]

I lack important units for pvp

[shell hazel]

I mean the UI looks a bit diff maybe updated

[lusty gull]

it's not about the app

it's about accessibility, i mean a personalized color rendering

[tropic summit]

slow cindy needs to survive to 4-5RL, based on what we saw yesterday, rumani in p5 may be ded by then, although it is worth a shot

[shell hazel]

yeah rumani probably dead don't think biscuit can keep her alive?

[tropic summit]

biscuit will proc on blanc on p2 very early, considering the DPS output, chances are cindy then gets biscuit second stack, which leaves rumani to facetank

[shell hazel]

already busy with cindy and blanc right? her immunity won't extend to a 3rd one if I recall

[tropic summit]

it's 2 stacks

[shell hazel]

yeah

or you could skip cindy and just indom rumani b1

we don't burst but midhara poison might kill whilst indom runs?

[tropic summit]

only one way to find out

[shell hazel]

essentially the entire team is sacrificed except for b1 rumani and b2 blanc 😄

or you add ros in as b1 and get enough burst gen from midhara dying + remaining batteries

[tropic summit]

@keen vapor

[swift mango]

It could but ofc. RNG.

[shell hazel]

it's for science

[swift mango]

Guess he quitted game.

@keen vapor still alive?

[keen vapor]

I claimed 12 hours ago

11 actually

[swift mango]

I maybe you was dreaming

[keen vapor]

I didn't dreamed about claiming on reset

[shell hazel]

you dreamed about it I think 😛

[keen vapor]

[swift mango]

[swift mango]

No

[shell hazel]

too slow I think

midhara dead + ros burst was the idea but think she won't get there

[atomic wolf]

wtf is this?

[atomic wolf]

on god you are free now?

[swift mango]

Just don't use Noise+Bay+HelmT, the team suck. Personal experience here.

[atomic wolf]

bay is just detrimental if she doesn't burst and paired with helmT honestly

[swift mango]

She burst, it's just Noise is worse, way worse than Moran in the combo

Unless Bay is backed by biscuit, don't burst with noise

[swift mango]

Noah+Bay is ironically worked. Because Bay treasure has healing to keep Noah alive.

So you could use biscuit somewhere else

[atomic wolf]

you do realize that

most of her kit is on burst, HER burst right

[swift mango]

Yeah, but the healing help Noah in CA.

[atomic wolf]

really

[swift mango]

And if Noah died to Scarlet for example. Bay would still burst to win.

[swift mango]

Bay has the fattest heal in the game, equal to Rapu, and she could be p2 so you burst 1 with RH.

[atomic wolf]

that's diabollical

[restive heart]

besti is very interesting unit

[covert lintel]

Limit

[shell hazel]

gomen I sent it as soon as I saw it over in the cd keys channel

[umbral crown]

By the time rosanna burst she will be at the brink of the other world

[umbral crown]

I have lost 500 gems in CD keys cuz they send it when im at work

[shell hazel]

haha I use the discord redeem thing it works good but have to see it

[digital hornet]

Hey ermmm im running a Noise-Trina-S.Anis-Biscuit-Maiden(the fantasy one idk hiw shes called lol)

Should I swap biscuit and Trina, woukd it be more effective for s.anis burst?

[restive heart]

i think this team is bad. trina doesnt benefit anything here expect burst gen

and also use biscuit burst here for sAnis can benefit the heal

[digital hornet]

What if I changed noise for moran?

[restive heart]

that will do

[digital hornet]

But to get the most of them all shoukd I change biscuit and trina then?

Like position wise + moran

[restive heart]

yes

moran - biscuit - sAnis

[digital hornet]

Heck yeah, thanks bro

[umbral crown]

I do as well but i can not use phone

[analog slate]

Are there any best definite 3 attacker and 3 deffender teams?

[gritty ridge]

Attacker no, defender maybe

[swift mango]

Auto team at 80 level diff. Best.

[wind kelp]

Yeah, since it keeps the same teams as before, and i only lost by 1 match(prelim that is), thinking that it's a good shot to just upgrade and go again :p I'll probably post the stuff here tomorrow ehn the prep unlocks, but it's been through here once.

[shell hazel]

not running vesti?

feels like she'll make an appearance from most serious players

my initial rolls kind of meh need to spend some rocks on her

only one usable line 3 with the CS %

[digital hornet]

Another question, whos a good support for RH.Rapi?

Shes my 3rd strongest nikke and id like to use her in pvp

[fleet skiff]

She is good for PVP right

Blanc too right?

[digital hornet]

Yeah ish? Shes good but too little burst gen imho

[fleet skiff]

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

best outfit maybe?

[hollow lagoon]

I like black Pearl and the white planet diving suit and midsummer hood

[shell hazel]

I am planning to do my 2nd playthrough in black pearl need all the cans

[hollow lagoon]

And modded Alice cooling suit

Bro digs default hair tho that’s loyalty

[shell hazel]

I change it sometimes but I like the default and shorter pontyail is better the physics on the longer one screws up a lot lol

it's just "Eve" you know? 🙂

[north brook]

The one cut that improves her bangs is the one i like most

Kasim signature?

[shell hazel]

?

[swift mango]

no she is bad, it's bricked arena.

/jk in case someone have complain.

[swift mango]

2 CS 2 Max ammo. Your Vesti basically ready for CA.

[shell hazel]

yeah that's decent enough for now I think. I'll likely roll the DEF line 1 one a bit at least, see if I can get some atk

my scarlet needs all the rocks

[swift mango]

Iron > Wind confirmed.

[shell hazel]

centi > *

[swift mango]

Vesti indom kinda has some obvious weakness against 1 defender Biscuit.

Emi doesn't have this problem if she just one shot everyone.

Ofc Emi has more problems than just that.

[shell hazel]

yeah I had this issue yesterday with my indom vesti as well, couldn't beat them and wound up losing to a defender 😄

but good to know that vesti indom can lose to this comp

[unique mountain]

[swift mango]

Just use a beefy defender or have hyper buffed Vesti.

[shell hazel]

your suggestion on running jackal blanc rapi biscuit centi was good as well

beat indom vesti and immunity triggered on jackal/blanc before vesti shots came in

[swift mango]

Vesti does multi shot, she doesn't one shot anyone even when buffed.

[shell hazel]

yeah so unless giga buffed biscuit should catch in time

[swift mango]

I mean, the biggest nuke in the game is still Emi+MirandaT

[shell hazel]

running emi and vesti together at 2RL like keripo does would be scary though 😄

[covert lintel]

yet my emi miranda can't breach astaroth's noah shield

[signal hull]

Man, I love the day in-between seasons.. So nice and calm.. Don't have to log in every 2hrs to check if some ****** kicked me off my spot...

[swift mango]

Nothing too crazy, he just replace Biscuit in Noah team with his Vesti.

[minor egret]

My shard will have a surprise when the new season starts (it's Vesti)

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/nods-yes-not-wrong-its-true-story-valid-point-gif-14782869

[swift mango]

No CS means less burst gen. It could work fine now though because Jackal bigger.

[opal steppe]

What teams can counter this one? Thank you in advance.

[swift mango]

Replace Noise+Lap with Emi+RH, b3 with Emi

[minor egret]

I tried but I didn't get any. At least I can use her for this SR

[signal hull]

Same team but faster. So like, maybe Rumani/Centi instead of Laplace.
Scarlet 2RL.
OG Soda+Scarlet 2RL, but no guarantees since Helm will most likely kill Scarlet.

[swift mango]

I also have no CS

[hardy minnow]

Can anyone helps me set up teams for SPA within these units? I’m new here.

[sterile matrix]

New

[hardy minnow]

New for this chat.

[sterile matrix]

Welcome surely @tropic summit can help

[tropic summit]

noah biscuit rh helmt jackal

<@&946725432554836008>

[leaden canyon]

How to win with this cp gap

[strange linden]

What are the best team for Vesti on SP arena?

[leaden canyon]

#pvp-arena message

[strange linden]

fam spent all of his saving on pvp teams

[strange linden]

wait why it's not updated on the pin lol

[leaden canyon]

I think its too long on the pin to show up, idk

[strange linden]

I checked it twice before asking

[lone sequoia]

those are not pvp teams, just pve units for cp gap teams

[strange linden]

oh wait true I didn't check the team itself lol

[lone sequoia]

now for vesti teams... just think of her as a cindy, that is how her team buildng work and for atk you can use any unit/team you want

[strange linden]

first one might be winnable with all these mg feed?

[lone sequoia]

what is your rapu cp?

[leaden canyon]

325,395

[lone sequoia]

scarlet/trina/rh/rapu/jackal-T1
rumani/noah/cindy/helmT/biscuit-T3

can your biscuit tank sanis hits?

[leaden canyon]

Maybe?

[leaden canyon]

so whats the point of rapu here btw, just cp increase?

[lone sequoia]

a heal in case your scarlet need

if you want 3 wins... different teams

but dailies

[leaden canyon]

worked

[hardy minnow]

I see.

[lone sequoia]

f... it was a member from cozy

[west shell]

First time reaching challenger, gonna enjoy this before I go back to dia

[lone sequoia]

my bad xd

[leaden canyon]

I threw a tempering cube on biscuit, glad I did, she was getting chunked by S.anis

[sterile matrix]

Unlucky I tried for u :I

[leaden canyon]

oh do you know them lol

[lone sequoia]

it is like a "rival" union to my union

but more friendly

[placid bloom]

@umbral belfry @wet crystal @acoustic light @jagged mesa @shell hazel btw Vesti values are up on work now.
5% cs lets you land 2nd rocket at 2RL timing and 4th shot before Mermaid stun if Vesti is p1-p2, 4% cs is enough if she is p3-5
22% cs lets you land 3rd rocket at 2RL timing but this seems kind of unrealistic if you also trying to fit Atk/ele/ammo

[leaden canyon]

interesting

[lone sequoia]

22% only with magic, i think the buffed hits have a different speed, vesti OL depend in the use you want for her, full dmg and kill with the 4 shot combo or more balanced for indom teams

[umbral belfry]

on work

[placid bloom]

5% is the only breakpoint you need to hit tbh

[lone sequoia]

i think 3cs + atk/ele is good

[placid bloom]

you will land 4 shots before enemy B3 anyway

[lone sequoia]

before enemy vesti at this point

[placid bloom]

so it just matters if you want 2nd shot gen at 2RL

even at 0 cs you will land 4th shot before enemy B2 even

so their B2 always has to live 4th shot

[shell hazel]

thanks Kuwon appreciate the heads up 🙂

[placid bloom]

if they are p1-3

[valid inlet]

Just made the absolute team ~60% built, it can kill 2RL SR15 Noah at p3 💀

[shell hazel]

at lower cp 😄

[vapid lake]

so vesti only need 5% naruhodo naruhodo

[lone sequoia]

again?

[shell hazel]

I rolled my vesti a bit (the helm) - no atk rolls but I think 3 decent/useful stats?

[valid inlet]

Reupload lol

[jagged mesa]

going to read this more carefully in a bit

[umbral belfry]

must be nice having emi

[placid bloom]

0 cs landing before 2RL Blanc B2

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry ✂️ ?

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/scissoring-scissor-fight-scissors-gif-3378634157756152151

[shell hazel]

[placid bloom]

so you either go 5% or you go 22%, anything in between is kinda whatever tbh

[jagged mesa]

this is a lifesaver

5% strict? im assuming 4.92% base roll isnt enough

[placid bloom]

4.92% rounds to 5

[shell hazel]

4.92% becomes 5%

[jagged mesa]

guys im running out of to give

[umbral belfry]

kuwon's doing research but nerd to get back in ca

[strange linden]

13% cs for Thelm not good enough I guess? finally got a third cs stat without losing other stats

[placid bloom]

even 4.63% rounds to 5

[valid inlet]

Mine is 2.9% plus adjunct for the moment, works too

[placid bloom]

nah I am SR goon as you put it

no CA for me

[umbral belfry]

SR goon kuwon

[jagged mesa]

as soon as i get gear fodder for vesti im going to try her in 26-17 hard

[vapid lake]

its k CA is mid content anyway

[umbral belfry]

I love rng arena

[jagged mesa]

vesti is already yielding massive results for my alt in OC and campaign

[shell hazel]

I need to roll my scarlet I have like 50 rocks to burn but I am scared

[vapid lake]

me too ||if i had one||

[valid inlet]

Right, without Emi the absolute team needs to be fully invested I guess….

[shell hazel]

you do have one! check your character roster!

[vapid lake]

but she's black

that came out really wrong i did not mean to be racist

[shell hazel]

it's just ninja outfit dw

[jagged mesa]

not pvp but look a this little monster in OC40 (and OC43 after) on my 256 alt, and this is with 22% ele vs 70% ele on rrh, and core damage debuff off (which means she would gap RRH when i turn it on)

pvp monster AND high deficit monster

[lone sequoia]

only vesti reach p3 without emi and if you don't have her i doubt you have A2

[jagged mesa]

A2 reran recently though

[lone sequoia]

right

[jagged mesa]

oh for invest

i cant read

[lone sequoia]

i think i really hated the summer event because i have no memories of that time

[shell hazel]

@placid bloom CS does matter for indom variant, and I suppose more CS is also good for a vesti vs vesti match

if you want to kill opponent vesti before blanc can b2

[lone sequoia]

that match will end in the first 4 shot combo

you kill blanc or enemy vesti

[jagged mesa]

how likely is an invested vesti to nuke before 2RL B2 though at same CP?

[shell hazel]

better invested vesti would win that, shots just land sooner

[lone sequoia]

depends in the units in p1~p3, high, but at the same time... is a defender+biscuit team or they have noise b1(?)

[placid bloom]

0 cs Vesti lands 4 shots before Blanc B2

the only determining factor is who is tankier

[shell hazel]

what should I roll on my scarlet first? I can't afford to absolutely tank my CP but I want some atk rolls

[placid bloom]

[lone sequoia]

just calc the tier value, then decide

[shell hazel]

I'd like at least 2 x OK atk rolls

[lone sequoia]

ele is like+2 compared to the same tier

[shell hazel]

ele is 1.2 x

[umbral belfry]

I can't use this bc I have no emi

[placid bloom]

we would need to see sync 400 performance before we know tbh but I would assume anything that's not wind should survive 4 shot tbh

if it's not wind and it's dying to 4 shot unbuffed something is wrong

[shell hazel]

wish it showed the tiers

[lone sequoia]

https://nikke.gg/overload-equipment/

[shell hazel]

maybe chest first, charge speed does nothing

I got blue line ele and charge damage on something else, which is more cp

[lone sequoia]

you have 3 pieces to full reroll, do you want 12/12 or 8 decent lines?

[shell hazel]

probably wind up somewhere in the middle

I have 52 rocks so can't endlessly roll today

[cursive pike]

so does t helm need 5%? i only have 1 cs roll but all the other rolls seem really good for once 🥲

[placid bloom]

Helm needs 11% cs to make team 2.5RL

clip RLs need 15%

[valid inlet]

There will be a rerun one day... I want to get more cores for her too.... or maybe some other similar units w AOE attack

[jagged mesa]

shots 2-4 could potentially land under b1 buffs maybe?

[placid bloom]

the faster your cs the less shots land with B1 buff actually because B1 casts just slightly before 3rd shot at 0 cs

if you have cs your 3rd shot will fire before B1 casts if 2RL team

[sterile matrix]

anyone who can give me tipps how to see if one team wins ? I really wanne get this are there any teams that counter teams ?

[jagged mesa]

imagine there's a way to get mmast and a strong b1 atk buff to get vesti to nuke on the 4th rocket...

[umbral belfry]

I hope you're right

[keen vapor]

Ah yes, this will work

[jagged mesa]

i heard rezero collab did terribly so fingers crossed

[placid bloom]

full Absolute squad gives unconditional 60% true dmg buff at start of battle

so that's your biggest chance of killing with 4 shot early

[valid inlet]

At least people in your bracket probably don't have Emi as well, I think?

[gritty ridge]

I hear someone wants to use mmast in arena

[shell hazel]

crit rate is OK if I work it backwards to add atk for scarlet?

[vapid lake]

Yes and i dont want emi to rerun so i dont have to build her

Its better nobody has her

[valid inlet]

[placid bloom]

[lone sequoia]

probably, but what effects you want, priority is atk then ele... ammo/crit rate-dmg

[jagged mesa]

o ur right

[shell hazel]

I just need a decent starting line 3

if crit rate is good I'll make sure line 1 or 2 are atk

[lone sequoia]

that work

[shell hazel]

I can afford some ammo rolls too so if that shows up it's fine

[jagged mesa]

8RL absolute nuke squad maybe???

[valid inlet]

The video I post above is about 3RL

w Laplace and 21% cs Emi

[placid bloom]

you can definitely go 3RL with heavy hitters

and just kill without bursting

[shell hazel]

guessing I kind of want at least ele or atk on line 2?

and crit damage may not be amazing, rolling line 1 atk is a bit rough

[placid bloom]

for Scar you can go double crit + Atk if you're just trying for neutral nuke

[shell hazel]

so that's good and I can line 1 atk?

[jagged mesa]

[placid bloom]

there's not a ton of water units in arena

so ele is kinda eh

[jagged mesa]

absolute + rosanna ??

[shell hazel]

yeah going for good neutral scar

[jagged mesa]

absolute + rosanna + a single sacrifice unit at p1 ??

[umbral belfry]

yeah no one does, or sanis. we're all babies 🐣

[shell hazel]

win!

[lone sequoia]

and CA?

[jagged mesa]

xanne and sanis incoming
im gonna be cooked by the more gemancially responsible players

[valid inlet]

Sounds interesting too but I wonder who can replace rosanna for SG team

[placid bloom]

I don't think full Abs cares about bursting tbh, after your 4th shot Vesti has to charge for 2s again

[umbral belfry]

neither

[placid bloom]

if they aren't dead to your first 4 shots you are probably dead instead

[umbral belfry]

lock in

[lone sequoia]

now shoes or gloves? @shell hazel i think visor effects are just bad

[shell hazel]

yeah helm will need full roll, I don't have tons of temp locks left but can do some

I think lock line 3 ele and roll for better line 1/line 2 for boots?

it's def phase 2 and charge damage phase 7

I have 28 rocks left

I can/should reset attributes at some point on that chest for some better phases as well

[lone sequoia]

yeah, go with that piece

[shell hazel]

I can do about 10 rolls I'm mainly fishing for an OK atk line for now

I'll settle with two OK atk lines and see how the next CA goes

[jagged mesa]

but if vesti can take out a unit pre 2rl maybe rosanna can nuke enough at b1 to win the fight

[shell hazel]

OK got it it one roll lol

[lone sequoia]

xd

[shell hazel]

gloves next? cp pad on helm is high

full roll for good line 3

[lone sequoia]

29 for visor

[shell hazel]

yeah

[lone sequoia]

probably the ele 1st line

[shell hazel]

gloves are 23 but ele

[lone sequoia]

wait

[shell hazel]

so 25 ish equiv - and I do have some crit stat on helm which is ele neutral

[lone sequoia]

how much is that piece now? to reroll value, so you lose less from visor

[shell hazel]

this is my new stats in full

[shell hazel]

nothing is locked atm

which one do you mean?

[lone sequoia]

18+ for boots

[shell hazel]

I have 26 rocks left

[lone sequoia]

or you want to keep the ammo lower than 33?

[shell hazel]

ammo 32 or less yep 🙂

but 60% ammo is the max then

I can fish for a better atk stat and general stat levels on the boots if you want? it's 1 rock per go

might lose some ele though, quite likely even

[placid bloom]

if you have to land 4 shots to kill, Rosanna will cast B1 after their B2 but before their B3. If their B3 is Cinderella you lose, if it's someone else Ros probably finishes I guess. But I think most other teams would lose at that point anyway if they are losing members

[lone sequoia]

change piece, go with gloves

[shell hazel]

so full roll gloves, let's try it

[lone sequoia]

1 try work

[shell hazel]

lol no

[lone sequoia]

first reroll and cs 1st line, why i can't get that on helm

[shell hazel]

so line 3 atk is good I can work that backwards

[lone sequoia]

ok

[shell hazel]

6 rocks down so 20 left

[lone sequoia]

that ammo acn be bad if you want to avoid siren stun

[jagged mesa]

ok fair

[placid bloom]

0 cs Vesti lands 4 shots before 2.5RL Nero Moran B1 anyway so they have to raw tank the shots

[shell hazel]

need last crit stat on line 1

[lone sequoia]

more crit, good

[shell hazel]

if I take that

[jagged mesa]

irrelevant for me anyways because im 1/~350 on absolute, the 1 being vesti

and im not even close to investing in the other two

i barely have enough for vesti herself anyways

[placid bloom]

basically if the team is not 2RL you will always land 4 shots before their B1

[shell hazel]

I have 5 tries at improving that line 1

[placid bloom]

and if they are 2RL you will still always land 4 shots before their B2

[shell hazel]

220 locks + 15 rocks

I'd probably accept ele or other crit

[lone sequoia]

probably 3 rerolls, then values

[placid bloom]

so 2.5RL Noise Noah Cindy is dead team, they have to be 2RL to stand a chance now

[shell hazel]

OK first roll was ele I don't think I risk this more atm

reset attributes instead

[lone sequoia]

value now

[shell hazel]

take for now but I guess I want nearer 10% atk

other two should make up for the lower atk

[lone sequoia]

keep and try again

i mean, get those new effects

[shell hazel]

that seems good to me for now

[lone sequoia]

yep

[shell hazel]

I don't know if I want to tackle the helm for now tbh, I can either try and improve phases on the others

or I could roll vesti a bit more

[lone sequoia]

did you take a ss of her cp before rerolls?

[shell hazel]

let me re-send all

it's basically the same but she's going to be way more lethal now

very happy with that 30% atk from 0% D:

11 rocks left

[lone sequoia]

you already got the 2 ele lines she need

[shell hazel]

vesti rolls

considering gunning for better line 3 for the boots

[lone sequoia]

need atk

[shell hazel]

yeah or the gloves actually

[jagged mesa]

has anybody looked into using emma as a perma taunt unit in pvp

[lone sequoia]

ammo count?

[shell hazel]

I'll check one mo

[jagged mesa]

im out of the loop

[placid bloom]

it's not real tech

[lone sequoia]

no emma here, problems with her but work for vesti teams

but... we don't like MGs for random teams

[placid bloom]

not much different from running filler unit

[shell hazel]

23 ammo nesso

I can afford to shed some - CS might be the more useful of the two

11 rocks might not get me far or get me any atk but no harm in trying

[placid bloom]

if she was defender then you can maybe use her to guarantee that defending SG will shoot p1 Biscuit, but she's not

[shell hazel]

the helm is cp padding again and the chest has decent line 3 so I can roll it later, I think I can roll the gloves or boots to fish for a better starting line 3 or just an atk line at least

[placid bloom]

also I think she doesn't taunt right as the start so you actually eat a volley before her taunt kicks in

[lone sequoia]

you will get 1 ammo bricked if you change that ammo on gloves

[jagged mesa]

what about jackal + emma taunt + 2 defender and 1 attacker

[shell hazel]

I can bastion her perhaps?

[jagged mesa]

ehh just musings anyways, probably no point forcing it

[shell hazel]

should let her shoot longer, if I need the last ammo I've probably lost anyway

both need rolling anyway it's just which one I do

[lone sequoia]

then gloves and boots are fine to reroll

you want the 5cs kuwon said to land 2nd shot in 2RL?

[placid bloom]

there is already cs on the chest piece no?

3rd line

[lone sequoia]

wait, 4.92 is the same as 5% when there is only 1 line?

[placid bloom]

yes it rounds

[shell hazel]

it is

[lone sequoia]

ok

2 pieces to reroll

[shell hazel]

yes - I need good line 3 no matter what here

which one shall I roll off though, the additional CS or ammo?

[lone sequoia]

vesti main dps potential for pvp

[shell hazel]

depends which one I start with

hit rate/ammo doesn't do much for me here, CS and def might be more universally useful?

[placid bloom]

I mean you can roll the ammo off first if you think you can land your rocket faster than people that are on 5 cs Vesti in the mirror, but I still think that matchup is gonna be decided by who has more cores

[lone sequoia]

def work a bit against emi (p1~p3) if you go with bastion the ammo should be fine

[placid bloom]

cuz if their Vesti has more cores you still lose even if your rocket lands faster

[shell hazel]

both will need rolling eventually just 11 rocks means I can't full roll both unless I get super lucky

[lone sequoia]

gloves first

[shell hazel]

so it's just where to start for now, I'll have to gather more rocks for the next CA after this one

[lone sequoia]

if you get more dmg, you don't need the extra ammo (?

[shell hazel]

yeah I think so as well

no atk not sure I want this?

or it is like scar where I kind of want crit rate?

took a few so maybe 7 rocks left

[placid bloom]

well it's RNG

but if you crit I think you win anyway

[shell hazel]

just means commit to line 3 crit rate and the associated lock/rolls to get atk on line 1 or 2

not accepted it yet

[lone sequoia]

new effects also work, if you plan to use bastion

[shell hazel]

I can run her with bastion

[lone sequoia]

what path do you want for her? 4 shots combo or more balanced vesti?

[placid bloom]

I wonder if you can just run Onslaught cube on her tbh

but then again most of the damage is s2 proc and not the actual charge shot

[shell hazel]

I want 16 ammo 5-10% CS in the end and good atk

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

20 ammo bonus

so I can run in indom or just noah protected nuke

nah my onslaught cube will be too low level don't think even 5 😄

[lone sequoia]

mine is 3cs (was 4) 3 atk and 1 ele; no luck

[wild hemlock]

What's the goal with vesti lines? Does she need cs and ammo

[lone sequoia]

depends on how you use her

[shell hazel]

shall I take new or keep rolling for atk or ammo/cs line 3?

[lone sequoia]

full dmg, to kill pre-burst or more cs/ammo to play in other teams

we still aim for atk/ele

[wild hemlock]

[lone sequoia]

rocks?

[shell hazel]

not loads, but it seems ideal line 3 is atk / ammo / cs / ele right?

not necessarily crit rate, which is an OK stat but not as ideal I think

[lone sequoia]

probably just atk ele for now

[shell hazel]

if I fail then I just send her in CA anyway and work on her more for next

[lone sequoia]

keep and try again

[shell hazel]

1 rock rolls are cheap

damnit where my atk?

[lone sequoia]

21 ammo

[shell hazel]

extends beyond 24 with bastion I think which is more than indom window anyway

[lone sequoia]

it is the same, cs work but the piece value

13 and it was 22

[shell hazel]

I think it might be better than what I had but it's rough with no atk % at all

would have to reset attributes to raise the phases

[lone sequoia]

you still want atk

[shell hazel]

yeah 🙁

[lone sequoia]

try again

[shell hazel]

line 1 and 2 only

might just have to do though, or I run with no atk at all

[lone sequoia]

keep that atk

[shell hazel]

I consider that if I have 4 x atk then I only really need say 2 x CS and 2 x ammo right? I could live with 2 good lines

that is just 8/12 potential cost then

[lone sequoia]

the only problem will be the ele dmg

[shell hazel]

I have 2 rocks left not sure if I just gamba to improve the atk or CS in place and then run away and gather more rocks

[lone sequoia]

you can try 2 time boots

[shell hazel]

or I try and luck the last piece with good 1 rock rolls a couple of times

after this I'll have to save again but I think I achieved a bit more than I hoped for with my 50 rocks

[lone sequoia]

way more than my helm with 140 rocks last week

[shell hazel]

rock 1 of 2 😛

I'd say go again

[lone sequoia]

nop, if no atk or ele , just keep the cs

[shell hazel]

OK done for now sadly haha

thanks for the assist Nesso 🙂

I'll save all my rocks between now and next CA then try and fix my rolls some more

[lone sequoia]

check the ammo with bastion in shooting range

a full rotation

[shell hazel]

will check it now

exactly 6 sets - so 24 ammo equiv

base 18 ammo and then bastion adds the other 6

[magic viper]

Who should I replace with Noah for my def teams? Or should I rearrange/run different teams? I can show the rest of my roster if anyone thinks I should change a team

[acoustic light]

so does siren die before stun if in p1-3

[placid bloom]

If you have enough ele yes

[fathom rock]

I think no need to touch?

[glad meteor]

No. Some max ammo and cs is good though

[fathom rock]

Bricklet roll

Not taking this feels wrong

[worthy sorrel]

how to get into kuwon's cool kids awesome pvp info club 🤔

@placid bloom i would like to subscribe to pvp facts please 🙏

[glad meteor]

Is gold role a gradient name now

or am I seeing things

[magic viper]

Definitely seeing things

[glad meteor]

[worthy sorrel]

also @placid bloom how did sp go with the reshuffle? i remember it looked kinda sus. too many whales

able to pull through?

[fathom rock]

Scarlet is finally fixable

Should be 27 ammo I wonder if too low

[glad meteor]

Only 2 attack stacks

[fathom rock]

But I can fix it

So basically need one of these ig

Keeps her 32 or under

While above 30

Crit rate > crit dmg for scar I assume

[shell hazel]

yeah think so

[fathom rock]

@umbral belfry

[glad meteor]

[leaden canyon]

@lone sequoia Welp he covered the weakness there lol

my biscuit will get shredded

[shell hazel]

void back to cp pad nonsense @dim escarp 😄

[leaden canyon]

and siren will stun noah now

[magic viper]

@leaden canyon Who should I replace with Noah? Or you got other advice?

[dim escarp]

he's lost again

[placid bloom]

I thought Hime would share info since same union cluster but I can ping if you want

[shell hazel]

I'll send in the vesti soon

[dim escarp]

[leaden canyon]

You can do noah noise biscuit cindy helm

[magic viper]

ty

[acoustic light]

She did lmao but u deserve the credit

[placid bloom]

nah CA not doable, I can beat rank 4 but I can't defend the spot

[magic viper]

Wait who do I replace biscuit and helm on def team 3 with then?

[leaden canyon]

no idea what you have to work with

[magic viper]

Along with whoever is already on my teams already from the previous photos

[shell hazel]

rapi indom it, should work as long as you survive p1-p3

siren no use here, they're 2RL

[dim escarp]

mhh alright

you have a team in mind for rapi? I've never put rapi in any team

[shell hazel]

try jackal blanc rapi biscuit centi

[dim escarp]

okok we'll try tomorrow boss

[umbral belfry]

[dim escarp]

tyty

[leaden canyon]

could do something like crown pepper drake noir B.soda

[fathom rock]

I think I'll crack his def soon

[shell hazel]

biscuit will make jackal/blanc immune and rapi just needs to not die horribly to vesti but she should be fine at p3 that long in

[magic viper]

Is my first def team fine as is then? SBS/Blanc/Alice/S Doro/Jackal?

[leaden canyon]

I mean not really because it has burstgen problems

[shell hazel]

it's what I ran here except siren stopped me winning it lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwTxKL8QgqY

centi/rumani interchangeable

[dim escarp]

ou yeah I remember x)

[magic viper]

Could I potentially ask for help for that team as well then?

[shell hazel]

oh no I ran out of time 😛

[umbral belfry]

I do!

[shell hazel]

noah/biscuit I guess, in indom war later rapi should win it

[magic viper]

Will my other teams change based off that or should I keep them the same and only change team 1?

[leaden canyon]

vesti blanc centi rumani jackal

sbs gets beat by biscuit and a defender

[shell hazel]

vesti not great in indom as she fires slower than MG like rapi

so when both end rapi should just finish it off

[magic viper]

Gotcha. Ty

[leaden canyon]

I never see anybody use rapi in pvp besides whales cp gaping

[crystal flicker]

G' moaning y'all

[placid bloom]

can't defend with Rapi, only attack

[shell hazel]

I sent the vesti against void @dim escarp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QFmsfETm4o

[placid bloom]

so you won't see her on defense

[crystal flicker]

Can defend with anything if you have high enough cp

[placid bloom]

[crystal flicker]

Remember some mf has a team full of R Nikke and 2M CP

[worthy sorrel]

CA top 10 when

[dim escarp]

rip void cp team

[shell hazel]

[worthy sorrel]

[crystal flicker]

I smell a whale with FPS++ and UW Screen

PvP Arena highlanders are whales

[shell hazel]

I am running this game on a 4090 😄

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

fps is just locked at 60 anyway, 30 in arena I thought unless it's 60 in rookie

[crystal flicker]

Both Nikke work and CN data use 60fps

[magic viper]

Lmao my overall team cp dropped from 400k cp to about 330k

For def

[dim escarp]

4080 for me

[leaden canyon]

yeah that happens when pvp units are not fully built yet

[shell hazel]

new gen is a skip for me atm not really stretching this card that much currently, more of a whale trap than Nikke spending probably

[crystal flicker]

Hi whale how you lose the CA again

[leaden canyon]

Just overloading them for standard overloads will help a lot

[dim escarp]

by massive skill issue ofc

[magic viper]

I need to invest in gear and skills fo em. I have everyone's skills at least at 4/4/4 with some even higher. But the higher ones are usually units I use for campaign or raids

[dim escarp]

same I ll wait 5 years, currently good atm for all the stuff I want to run

[crystal flicker]

Same, I'm running Nikke on old ass mx350

If it runs, then it works lol

[dim escarp]

at least it work well for pvp

[crystal flicker]

Could be windows causing performance issue tho

[dim escarp]

most of the time yeah

[crystal flicker]

I want to reinstall win10 coz better performance, but I need win11 for coding

[dim escarp]

[crystal flicker]

I'm still considering whether to put Jackal or Biscuit for VesTac comp
Seems like killing the other options ngl

[shell hazel]

microsoft are ending support for win 10 in October this year

[crystal flicker]

Doesn't matter tho

[shell hazel]

it may after a while no more updates, it will surely still operate after then

just vulnerabilities would not get fixed

[crystal flicker]

If it works then it works, some ATM machines even still running old ass Win98

Or XP

[shell hazel]

yes they are just not good for consumer devices, or even really the atm's 😄

you wouldn't want to run xp on your windows machine connected to the net would be risky

[crystal flicker]

Again if I put Jackal for VesTac, that will bring vulnerabilities to Scarlet
If I put Biscuit, that will drag down Cindy 2.5

Just did some calc, I need 1.5RL Scarlet if I want to mitigate her vulnerability without Jackal

Trina pASSive will stay still ~1.52RL

[shell hazel]

seems difficult to hit that without a jackal though

[crystal flicker]

21% CS on all RLs

Roughly

[shell hazel]

fastest scarlet in the west must just beat any other 2RL scarlet you face 😄

does scarlet herself dodge siren stun at that speed with or without less ammo?

[spare nimbus]

Is the blanc mihara team a good team to use on defense?

[lone sequoia]

sp? it is easy to beat, only work against people who don't know how mihara work or in CA because the teams are random there

if you have the cp advantage... the emi version is better than cindy

but both are almost the same

[crystal flicker]

My calc says, she will burst before Siren's stun

Siren stun is 2.57RL, Scarlet 21% CS is 2.4RL when she bursting

[radiant storm]

On attack I think yes, dunno about the def

[umbral belfry]

[twilit bay]

How do I beat this?

[gritty ridge]

Skip t3

[twilit bay]

Oh yeah, they have noah p1 lol

[gritty ridge]

T3 looks terrible

[twilit bay]

Wait, isn't T1 2RL? They probably have cs on Noah. Siren stun would miss

[glad meteor]

Can’t rely on siren against 2rl b2

[gritty ridge]

I suppose

This might work but idk

[twilit bay]

noah biscuit t1

[gritty ridge]

Thats comparing the team im iffy on to their t3

I havent had the opportunity to fight vesti yet so idrk how to counter her

[twilit bay]

What about
Blanc, Vesti, Emilia, Biscuit, Rapunzel
Noah, Noise, Cinderella, Rumani, Anis
Scarlet, Trina, Centi, Rosanna, Jackal
?

[gritty ridge]

Oh yeah you have emi

Yeah you could 2rl cindy t2

[lone sequoia]

xmaiden indom

or jackal... good luck

[gritty ridge]

You talking abt the team i just posted?

[lone sequoia]

T3 first ss

[twilit bay]

Of the enemy?

[gritty ridge]

Rosanna assasinating vesti and emilia for x.maiden indom is alot more preferable to vesti indom

[gritty ridge]

First team should work, idk abt t3 tho

[twilit bay]

The guy just copied the teams I was using lol (Except T2)

[gritty ridge]

Lmao

[lone sequoia]

i would probably, just cindy siren+decoy(test) that T1- scarlet/liter(p1)/trina T2 and DoT T3

[gritty ridge]

Could potentially 1.5rl scar t2 also

[gritty ridge]

How much ammo is on your scar?

[twilit bay]

A lot

[lone sequoia]

we can noah/vesti his vesti if you have more cs

[gritty ridge]

Rip

[twilit bay]

Noah has 17%

[lone sequoia]

helmT cs?

[twilit bay]

16% without cube

[glad meteor]

Was thinking this. But dk about t2

[twilit bay]

Bay is uninvested unfortunately

I have phase 3, just not OL

[glad meteor]

Then need to use noise noah and check taunt prio and cs

[lone sequoia]

noah/siren/cindy/helmT/noise
liter/scarlet/trina/centi/jackal
same DoT team

T1 is to test enemy noah cs

[twilit bay]

Let me check what he's using in Rookie

Scar Rosanna

[lone sequoia]

is liter your atk higher than trina?

[twilit bay]

What would the DOT team be?
Blanc, Emilia, Mihara, Biscuit, Rumani?

[shell hazel]

crazy speed 😮

[twilit bay]

I will check

[lone sequoia]

if you want to use a scarlet team there we can: check your team cs+feed, buffer p1 or linked attacker p1 (stunned)

[twilit bay]

Liter Linked

[lone sequoia]

probably emi DoT team is better against his vesti team

rumani p3

[twilit bay]

Ah, whoops

switched t2 and t3 by mistake

[lone sequoia]

cindy team against noah (test)
scarlet for cindy/noise
and dot for vesti

[twilit bay]

the team compostions are correct, right?

ordering

[lone sequoia]

your scarlet team against his cindy

[twilit bay]

T2 Lost, but I won, thank you

[lone sequoia]

i think i made a mistake

[twilit bay]

Too late lol

[lone sequoia]

noah team lost, right?

[twilit bay]

Yeah

Would you like to see the video?

[lone sequoia]

i didn't check the speed xd

[spare nimbus]

Nah noah dodge siren stun if she has a specific cs?

[lone sequoia]

siren+noise to free dmg from noah, another clip RL p1 or p5 was better or even siren p1 just to make noah taunt in p5 and keep her alive

[lone sequoia]

yep

[lone sequoia]

11% base cs for the team, that means the last unit to hit (who trigger the burst chain) have more than 11%

[glad meteor]

Imagine siren trigger

[lone sequoia]

you can skip some units attacks if you get feed in some teams

[umbral crown]

[twilit bay]

Noah got stunned, let me just trim the video

[lone sequoia]

i don't use siren in pvp, so that is why i didn't check her speed

probably noah died with normal attacks

[glad meteor]

High cs helm?

[twilit bay]

Looks like it

[glad meteor]

I mean on your side

[twilit bay]

Oh

18%

[lone sequoia]

looks like his team is faster than siren stun

next time a normal team

[glad meteor]

Ah

[lone sequoia]

noise/helmt/vesti/laplace/noah against noah team

[twilit bay]

Is the plan to take out their noah or to out sustain them?

[lone sequoia]

just to match team comp with higher dmg and sustain

or noah p1, noise p5 and vesti p2, just to have more dmg against p4~p5, if you have at least 5cs on vesti

[twilit bay]

I have 11%cs

[lone sequoia]

p2 helm will get taunted by enemy noah, if vesti burst she will hit p4 and p5+helm will keep attacking rh

[twilit bay]

I'll try it out next time. Thank you

[lone sequoia]

we can also just try a sanis rh comp

[cloud adder]

how mportant is this cube in pvp

do people invest into this

[lone sequoia]

only in some teams, if you are off by less than 1 hit to reach the next speed, you can use it in some units (with high burst gen) to try to get more and make your team faster, in case you just want a cube, any cube at high lvl will work

[cloud adder]

so just bastion is good enough?

[lone sequoia]

it is a situational cube, have uses but depends in the specific team

bastion? it is fine

just use your cube with the highest lvl

for pvp, tempering and vigor are great; assist cube is good, but only for whales and not in many units or team comps

[cloud adder]

what makes trina so good

[lone sequoia]

2-3 uses
a clip RL (unit with good burst gen) that can just fill on teams
scarlet buffer- her S2 when trina burst buff one of the best dps units we have in pvp (scarlet)
a decent nuke buffer- 20% atk dmg buff

[cloud adder]

should my scarlet by burst lvl 10

[north brook]

she also buffs hp for cinderella if you are running a different scar variant, and has relevant healing

mostly trinas kit actually has utility in it unlike most of the other clip rls

[lone sequoia]

the healing is an extra, depends in the comp and need dupes to notice it if you don't run a team that need heals

[keen vapor]

Personally I think 7/7/7 is fine

Going up is just got when you're missing a tiny bit of damage

[raven plover]

[vapid lake]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1162985219830329374.webp?size=128&animated=true

[umbral crown]

Besto nuke 7/7/7

[keen vapor]

pepehs you

[umbral crown]

[keen vapor]

That's not Cinderella

[umbral crown]

I won CA without her

[keen vapor]

[umbral crown]

Have not used her since S4

Im leaning towards Sanis

[rose oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354636600008769658/1398811772001194087/z2jqaog0pgee1.gif

[rose oracle]

why is his head so shiny

[gritty ridge]

Thats you in the future

[raven plover]

9000 IQ

[rose oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/asgore-knight-gif-10095168295952009600

[gritty ridge]

Chat is this a whale

[dim sapphire]

unlucky whale

lb0 scarlet and cindy.

damn vesti only 4 blue kit to sr 10 from sr 5 and sr 15 1 gold kit and 1 purple kit

😳

[crystal flicker]

It's a sign

[gritty ridge]

Why did naga indom

If scar had indommed I could've won

[heavy hearth]

Looking for help to update my arena teams

[keen vapor]

But what are current teams

[gaunt bane]

I have this matchup, looking for opinion

I dont think my vesti team will win their scarlet jackal, so its either my 1 vs their 1, my 3 vs their 2 or the otherway around

i don't quite understand how bay team work yet, would vesti be able to just OHKO that whole team? In which case I can safely go crown team vs noise team

[atomic wolf]

can win if you burst faster

[heavy hearth]

This is what I’ve got right now

[keen vapor]

Seems good with what you have

Would suggest a Noise Noah team if you had Noise

[gaunt bane]

not fast enough I think? (Is this how you would use this web app to judge?)

[atomic wolf]

yeah, remove naga and replace with a better option

but of course you don't have one so lmao

[gaunt bane]

no dice, naga is there for cp pad

[radiant storm]

I think this will be one of my fav comps for rookie

[atomic wolf]

you either survive with bay or noah

[gaunt bane]

alternatively I could just keep sitting at where I am c10 lol
and save that 1 try if anyone overtook me

[atomic wolf]

no inbetween

[vernal burrow]

Can anyone suggest some teams for sp arena

[keen vapor]

Wait, move your Siren team to the third round, trust

[gritty ridge]

<@&946725432554836008>

The mods hate pvp chat

[small lagoon]

lolol

when teambuilding for CA is there anyway to know if you will be placed in att or def or do you need to keep both possibilities in mind

[keen vapor]

Yeah, this one was gone instantly on #questions

Let's just wait for the cleaning

[keen vapor]

No, there's no way

Well, @umbral belfry knows actually but it requires you to track some info

[small lagoon]

tyty

[gritty ridge]

Hime knows everything

Praise the all knowing

[keen vapor]

Hime of the pool, share your wisdom

[small lagoon]

last season i got placed in position 1 group 1 and got bullied by shotguns

[worthy sorrel]

@short moon are you and molater okay in SP 👀

Jon in my rookie looks like he just put together a team that beats ZID's defense and gemmed the shit out of him

ZID usually stays untouched, and 100-200 points ahead by end of rookie. Jon just did like an 80 point turn around.

Jon usually sits between you molater and greeman in SP it seems like. not sure if he's trying to make moves

[pure moss]

@umbral belfry what u think? no more anis

[near plank]

how to beat this team

preferrably not using any of these units for this team

[oblique ridge]

Have you tried Siren in p1/p2 plus Scarlet at 2RL speed?

I think team you're trying to beat is 2.5RL, which means Scarlet burst will hit before Noah burst

Siren's just there for insurance to see if Noah would be stunned by taunting Siren onto her

Don't mind the Quantum Cube on Siren in the above image, that's a mistake. Still 2RL without

[dense roost]

Quick Q, for SG is there any replacement for Anne? Missed her so missing that b2 for that team

[near plank]

i was thinking scarlet too, but dont know if it will get blocked or not

[gritty ridge]

Viper

[glad glade]

Many replacements. You could go for Naga, Viper, TPoli (at P5), Mari, or Blanc

Depends on what your goal is

[dense roost]

Can't really do Viper without a 2nd B2 but was looking to keep the other teams at their powerlevel without nerfing anything specific

[oblique ridge]

You probably need to find out once. You can't just fear that enemy comps are 2.3RL speed vs your 2RL speed Scarlet and automatically give up

That's how fast they have to be to squeeze B2 Invincible/Indomitable in before 2RL Scarlet burst

Video the fight though, don't lose the scientific data

[near plank]

check my post history on pvp arena

i always post vid results

cause people im like 1/6 good advice

will try in a few minutes

[oblique ridge]

If you don't want to test Siren stun here, you can try Red Hood instead of Siren and swap spots with Trina

Because if Siren stun doesn't work, the other thing that can defeat you even if enemy team isn't fast enough to Noah burst, is that they survive Scarlet burst

Like Scarlet tries but they all live with 10% hp

Then Noah bursts into Helm burst and you're probably screwed

[near plank]

i think siren is correct but she needs to be hit by noah first to swap targets no?

meaning noah wont be stunned before burst

[oblique ridge]

Siren's stun is based on the number of shots she's fired, I think, or hits

It's her 50th hit, doesn't matter who or what gets it

So even if she was shooting at Noise half the time, got taunted, if it's Noah that won the taunt wars, then Siren will attack Noah and stun her

[glad glade]

Its shots but the 50th shot has to hit. Thats why a low ammo Scar could dodge it

[near plank]

just rng who taunts siren then

if noise has more cs then its rip

[oblique ridge]

It is predictable based on how fast Noise or Noah shoots, but finding out can be painful.

You can just check video to see if your p1 switched to shooting Noah instead of Noise

[near plank]

i mean we will clearly see who will be stunned

[oblique ridge]

So you're going with Plan Fishy?

[near plank]

its the 2nd fallback if scarlet doesnt insta kill

[oblique ridge]

You're probably dead if Scarlet doesn't insta kill... Biscuit will burst

Even if Noah's stunned

Anyways, the joy of finding out is why we like PvP.. right?!

[near plank]

well true cause jackal link vs helm

[near plank]

i just want to win

does blanc 2 dps work?

[oblique ridge]

Yeah. But because of Helm, it's dangerous

[near plank]

i posted it before

but it was against moran though

3rl

.

[oblique ridge]

Dangerous as in if the enemy survives using Noah and Helm burst, then they'll just lifeleech while your Scarlet tries to chop suey them

[near plank]

changing dps to rapi

literally 1 bomb = scarlet burst every like 1 ish seconds

[oblique ridge]

So if Rapi gets to burst, it's fatal? Neat

[near plank]

watch the vid

its still against 2 rl helm

[oblique ridge]

Well, enemy team is 2.5RL. You have plenty of RL time to work with for planning a successful Blanc Indom if you'd like

[near plank]

i mean this could also work

thats what im saying

which strat to use

send it?

@stray yoke

[stray yoke]

[oblique ridge]

That 2nd team is kinda neat, checking its RL speed

3RL comp

[near plank]

the vid before was 2

[oblique ridge]

Enemy is 2.5RL unless their Helm isn't sped up

[near plank]

i guess jackal feed?

[oblique ridge]

Then enemy is ~3RL if Helm is missing the chspd

So.. if enemy is slow enough, this 3RL comp works

Ofc I assume nobody dies before Blanc can burst

And that she Indoms Rapi

[near plank]

rapi gets it for sure

the rh has hp cube

so scarlet siren better?

[covert lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[near plank]

[oblique ridge]

You have multiple comps to try, just pick one and go. Why not this Rapi one? Because if it's effective, then you can pocket the comp knowing you can whip it out vs other 3RL comps

[short moon]

oh wait, this was rookie arena

i logged on cuz you scared me

am okay for now unless jon takes out someone a rung higher :X

[near plank]

with emilia does it become 2 rl?

[oblique ridge]

I doubt it. Your original comp with Red Hood is 70.15% toward 2.5RL and that's a big hurdle to close to 100%

It does bring it to 88.1% though. Jackal feed of 11.9% can happen, but idk if it will

[near plank]

i guess im just doing scarlet

[oblique ridge]

You died?

[covert lintel]

I doubt pve ppl mind about cs tho

[near plank]

my emilia 2cs

max level 1 gives like what 14% cs?

is a random clip rl better?

iirc 3 clip rls make any comp 2rl

[oblique ridge]

25% chspd OLs on Emilia is insane

If someone has it, congratulate them. Most won't ever see it or encounter it

[oblique ridge]

Depends on if you need more dmg

If the clip RL isn't a dmg buffer and it's going to burst, you're risking falling short on lethality

Eh it also depends on the comp's objectives

But anyways, if you think Rapi can win with just Blanc's offense buffing (well, debuffing, same distinction in most pvp matches)

Then go win like that Though whether you can get 2RL...

This is basically the best you can do, probably

Oh, here's faster

This.. is actually interesting. If an enemy team is 7.5% jackal feed you can be 2RL

Or if 5.85% jackal feed you can be 2.5RL

Enemy team is only 3.55% jackal feed. RIP

With jackal double proc bug, it can be 7.1% jackal feed

Did they fix that yet?

[vapid lake]

Don't put the sr anis in the indom team she has very low stats because not an ssr unit

[oblique ridge]

Another big worry is the new units might have less HP than Rapi

Do you fear the Indomitable SR Anis?

[worthy sorrel]

ah okay gotcha. no big moves in SP yet.

Yeah, just in rookie. but unusual behavhior. wondering if he was cooking or powerleveling or something. going for CA

ZID's not easy to beat

ZID's fighting back

idk what's going on but i'm staying out of it

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-jerry-seinfeld-oh-well-bye-gif-13829783

[near plank]

[cursive pike]

why t poli at p5? i do have w.Anne. just trying to work out best shotgun team too

[glad glade]

TPoli has an automatic shield at the beginning of the fight. The problem is that the shield serves as a separate entity, meaning that it’s going to give the other team more burst gen through RL splash

T5 is the best position for her since the shield protects the team from a defending SG team while avoiding the RL splash problem

[cursive pike]

nice one!! thank you

[unique wagon]

Do we have Absolute Vesti tech vid

[unique wagon]

#pvp-arena message found it

[junior zephyr]

Should I include VestiT in this seasons CA?

[glad meteor]

Yea

[peak jungle]

Is there ez copy 5 teams for CA if have everyone

[atomic wolf]

mhm

[glad glade]

Hmmm, should I just do it? I don’t really see my Viper have much play in Casino Arena, especially with PoliT around. But there is a possibility that a future unit may somehow make her more meta?

🤔

[swift mango]

Do you even have any use for phase 3 viper rn? if yes, go for it.

[glad glade]

Might be useful for water raids

[shell hazel]

I need to re-think my attack against the whale they added biscuit to their indom vesti

[swift mango]

I haven't seen her in the last water raid at all.

[glad glade]

Hmmmmm.

[swift mango]

Check their burst gen, if too slow even with Jackal bug, just RH+HelmT it.

[shell hazel]

I got a recording, I wonder if I can just vesti nuke t2 tbh, no biscuit there anymore

the issue I had was on t3 where they added biscuit and xmaiden and then I have to chop through two defenders with biscuit immunity + indom vesti

my internet is shoddy here so I'm uploading it slowly 😄

(at work on 4g)

[tropic summit]

@shell hazel

no stamina, all characters available, no rarity, an actual game, hopefully this spreads

neverness to everness meanwhile also taking decent steps

although way more skeptical on this one

[shell hazel]

yeah I saw that, they are basically doing the warframe model

you can grind anything you want, but you can spend to accelerate the character acquisitions - but you can also support them by buying cosmetics

[tropic summit]

skins and boosts are fine in my book, it's for ppl who've less time to enjoy the game or want to speed it up at their own sake

as long as they don't make it needlessly grindy a la first descendant

else people will burn out within weeks

[shell hazel]

it does mean you don't feel like you get fomo if you skip a day