pvp-arena

[hollow lagoon]

The only run left is the one where I need to get Lily killed, I’m not very thrilled

[shell hazel]

sacrifices must be made

@placid bloom you think this may work against my whale who went vesti indom? doesn't look that built but don't want to take too many chances

I can put moran p1 as should get fed to enough to avoid stun. The wrong vesti on the opponent team as they didn't update it but don't think it's a dramatic speed change

team comps #pvp-arena message

[placid bloom]

with Jackal bug you should both be perfect 2RL assuming no cs, since the bottleneck for when you burst is going to be when your rockets land

with cs it will change a little

[shell hazel]

I have a little on centi

[placid bloom]

your damage does feel a little low based on last time

you barely killed Centi in time

[shell hazel]

yeah, whale cores though 😄

and the sync diff

in 4 levels time I'll get a boost

then I'm more competitive until they get another 10 levels 😄

my Rapi has 39.5% atk so can't really improve that much further at least, a little maybe

any alt options you could think of? if I fail I have a second try before the reset so I could have a backup plan

[placid bloom]

how is your Liter

[shell hazel]

she's OK nothing special

[placid bloom]

strong enough to link over Blanc/Centi?

[shell hazel]

I'd have to check, I think so

she does yes, lose a bit of cp but still links 1/2/3 like moran does

still easily in cp range with the team they have set

[placid bloom]

did you check how much damage Mermaid was doing to iron p1 before when you used Jackal? Idk if it feels good doing Liter p1 into Mermaid Vesti

might be risky

[shell hazel]

my liter is only OK built as well ofc

[placid bloom]

it's just gonna feel like ass if his Mermaid turns out to be 4 Atk 4 ele

[shell hazel]

I have some footage from one of the matches the other day

let me upload it so you can see

the upload is done but it takes a while for it to process still

trimming to just the indom match in question

this was the comp btw

editing takes a bit I'll post in a few mins time when it's ready

here you go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQunIP4Ce1k

[placid bloom]

around half HP vs double wind when B1 starts to cast, this is quantum on Jackal and not tempering?

I think you live then

[shell hazel]

yeah it's quantum

you think liter jackal rapi blanc centi gets the job done then?

[placid bloom]

it does seem like the indom timer is the bottleneck though, his SBS indom ran out right before your final drill proc so she died just to bullets and Rapi shot the last drill at Centi. If it was just splash damage from the explosion I don't think Centi dies here.

she still had like 1/3rd of her HP left

[shell hazel]

yeah though liter b1 is a dps amp right? should knock her down quicker?

[placid bloom]

his Centi is actually just too tanky to die to splash I think

problem is Liter only lasts 5s, and your drill proc is half speed at 30fps

so you're only getting maybe 2 procs with Liter buff

I don't think that it is enough

[shell hazel]

alt option is I try and slow myself down whilst not being too slow

and then the indom expires with less margin for error

[placid bloom]

the main thing is not your indom timing, it's his indom timing actually

his indom runs out right before the last drill proc

which is why you get to shoot at Centi after his indom target dies

Rapi drill proc will always be the same timing regardless of how much you slow your indom

[shell hazel]

that's true, but with enough of a gap she can auto shoot stuff to death still

rockets from centi have a travel time

rapi shots instant should hit something if it's there

[placid bloom]

you actually had only a fraction of a second left on FB lol

[shell hazel]

yep I saw haha

but it won every time I sent it

same result, centi kind of lived and then died at the end :p

I don't think I'd be having such issues if I was the same sync as they were, whale tech for you

[placid bloom]

your first splash on Centi is after 2 Blanc ticks so he only actually heals for 6 ticks

but that's still close to an extra 800k HP to burn through

and since your Rapi drill is only proccing every 2 sec you still don't kill with just splash damage

I guess with just the 11% Atk DrakeT FB buff you negate the entire heal off 1 tick

[shell hazel]

I may as well use my tries at least, send something for science and get some recordings

[placid bloom]

so Liter will do a bit better

[shell hazel]

no chance moran DR somehow means she lives if the vesti isn't that strong? 😄

[placid bloom]

well Blanc dmg taken is higher than Moran dmg reduc so you're barely above 10% even with doll + tempering I think

[shell hazel]

ah yeah blanc ofc

[placid bloom]

the triple heal is gonna have to do the heavy lifting

[shell hazel]

natural moran counter

[placid bloom]

but even then I don't think the triple heal is enough

since the heals get progressively worse

[shell hazel]

liter with tempura it is

any other possibilities? if it fails I'd like a backup to send for more science

also could consider taking on the cindy team instead but I know that Noah and Biscuit etc are annoying to deal with

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel if he’s using jackal couldn’t your force feed it

For earlier random on him

[placid bloom]

normally this would work but with Jackal bug the timings would not be the same

also depending on whether his Mermaid dies too early after being unlinked you might burst Helm instead of Scarlet

so it's dependent on other randomness factors

[shell hazel]

yeah, I can't send helm either she's on the other team I need her on to win that match haha

in theory think you can afford to indom a bit slower vs vesti though

she has 2s charge time + fires 4 rockets before they burst I think? then she has to 2s charge again

even with some CS that means the first rockets that arrive under burst won't be right away as they b3

[hollow lagoon]

Wonder if Alice or Mana+vesti tech could be funny aaaaaa

[placid bloom]

what was your other team?

lemme see what chars I can't use

[shell hazel]

I run noise rumani cindy helmt and noah against their 2RL scar

[placid bloom]

ok

[shell hazel]

I could possibly make that work without helmt if I had an alt option

but any changes on that are risky because that team is basically win all the time

[placid bloom]

problem with outspeeding them is that the only other RL we have access to is Anis

and she's kinda low CP

[shell hazel]

am not sure want to out speed them

if anything opposite seems better?

outslow them

[hollow lagoon]

If they
Use 2rl scar with out jackal, you could viably Kill scar before they burst no?

[placid bloom]

in theory they always die before they can B1, at least without Jackal bug. With Jackal bug it's another story

maybe one day they will fix and no more guesswork

[hollow lagoon]

Oh they don’t scar p1

Sad universe noises

[placid bloom]

but also work needs to update with actual VestiTU so I don't have to guess opponent speed either

[swift mango]

Cindy+Blanc+Biscuit+Midhara+Rumani

Moran+Bay+HelmT+Centi+Xmaiden

Siren+Trina+Scarlet+Anis+Jackal

[placid bloom]

because their B1 is actually not as slow as this, just not as fast as real clip

[shell hazel]

yeah I dunno why they don't have them added yet presumably the data is out there

[placid bloom]

Idk if we have the actual frames yet but it's not that hard to do

[shell hazel]

2RL scar ros might just beat that comp altogether but vesti auto hits will land before ros can b1

[whole pawn]

damn... ig we try this then

[hollow lagoon]

Feeels like Eunhwa is the good pve unit

Of the absolute trio

Breh the green name is bothering me

[onyx scaffold]

Racist

[hollow lagoon]

[shell hazel]

if you think of anything let me know otherwise sending the liter team in a bit 🙂

I could try to tackle the cindy one instead as it's fairly slow, and no jackal, but cindy is annoying

and all her usual supports are annoying

I could also midhara sac into the vesti indom and just poison them to death 😄

[swift mango]

RH bricked.

Cindy+Blanc+Midhara+Biscuit+Rumani

Helm+Rapu+Drake+Ein+Noah

Siren+Trina+Scarlet+Centi+Jackal

Idk, good luck.

Tell me how it works in the end.

could try to fit in Rossana into a team like scarlet or drake if cp allowed.

[placid bloom]

issue is that a lot of the stuff is just guessing atm until bug fix and work update, even the assumption that both teams are 2RL indom with bugged feed is guessing since I don't want to manually map out the actual gen

[swift mango]

@tropic summit How are you these days? Haven't seen you since last CA.

okay, just almost 2 days. Rail kun burnt out.

[shell hazel]

yeah don't worry too much, even if I can't take back c1 today I think I still have secured it for the season if no one else takes c2 off me anyway

is there any avenue to reliably beating the cindy comp maybe? it's one I've struggled a bit to defeat in the past

[placid bloom]

2RL Noise Noah?

I forgot if they are Biscuit or not

[shell hazel]

it's noise noah cindy biscuit rumani

so it's 2.5RL at best, maybe 3RL depends on their CS

[placid bloom]

2.5RL

[shell hazel]

if they lack CS it's only 3RL

[placid bloom]

this one also loses to Rapi RH indom, I think it's a little more reliable too

lemme see

[shell hazel]

2.5RL would need some quantums and some CS

yeah I considered sending the Rapi indom against this earlier but blood thinks noise healing is too good, it might be, though I can stun noise with siren

[glad meteor]

Does cindy decoy tank all mihara hits

[shell hazel]

I actually almost beat the cindy comp with a random mihara team I sent once 😄

let me upload it so you can see

[placid bloom]

how much ele is your Rapi

[shell hazel]

not loads, it's her weakest point it's like 40%

[placid bloom]

maybe a bit rough then

[shell hazel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOFMeu4ehtM

match 2 wasn't miles off with midhara sac

go to 1:10

[glad meteor]

Nice data

Decoy takes all mihara

, interesting

Maybe I hit whale today

[shell hazel]

my mihara sucks btw, not properly built at all

not awful awful but far from built

she's 7/7/7 SR-5 but I think only 1 OL on

[placid bloom]

yes you cannot apply chains to Cinderella through decoy

[shell hazel]

actually not even sure she has 1 OL 😄

[placid bloom]

the Noise is kinda rough, 164k heal at lv10 burst would put her around 6.6m HP

[shell hazel]

you can get a feel for how fast their cindy comp is from that video as well (it's the same one set now)

[placid bloom]

your Rapi does around 1.3m to Blanc without B1 buffer

maybe bumps up to 2m with RH B1

[shell hazel]

in theory I can siren stun the noise though, she won't heal/burst then

[placid bloom]

you lose 2 procs maybe due to Noah invin, 1 if you're lucky

so you have to splash the entire team down in 3-4 procs

[glad meteor]

Need to hit him , maybe trina>blanc

[placid bloom]

seems hard with the sync diff and your low ele

[shell hazel]

or we just beat the indom, fairly sure I win if I 3RL indom successfully onto rapi

[placid bloom]

you'll be too slow with Mermaid if he has cs

[shell hazel]

just have to avoid siren stun or plan for it

I don't know how strong their vesti is but she can't be that strong yet, not SR-15 and they tanking cp a bit to have her in the team

[placid bloom]

you won't be 3RL

even in the SBS indom match you were both 2RL

[plush silo]

For the standard spa teams in pins, what do the asterisks next to some units stand for?

[shell hazel]

quantum cubes

[placid bloom]

bugged feed adds too much

[shell hazel]

I can deploy stuff to slow myself down some though right?

[plush silo]

Ooh, thanks

[shell hazel]

run less burst gen myself

[placid bloom]

you'd have to remove Jackal

to have more accurate burst gen

but that makes it harder to indom

correctly

[shell hazel]

yeah it does

[swift mango]

That would need RNG in his favour

[placid bloom]

yeah I don't think it wins with that much sync diff

at least not with those stats

maybe we can think about it at 80 ele

[shell hazel]

we need to learn what best counters vesti indom

[placid bloom]

I still think Ros is the best counter

[shell hazel]

because no one really talking much about it, but it will have counters

[placid bloom]

just that the speed is incorrect atm

and 2x Scar counter also makes things wonky

[shell hazel]

their vesti could be reload/charge up bricked for the indom btw

it's more chance of failing than SBS or similar

also not impossible their siren gets the indom if they haven't set it up right

[placid bloom]

fortune telling arena

[shell hazel]

well when I attack it I can record and see then, until then yep it's fortune telling arena 😄

[turbid oyster]

what should the skill level of trina and jackal be?

[strong hull]

Yes. No RH

[turbid oyster]

scar is 10/6/10
siren is 10/7/10
Helm is 4/10/7

[shell hazel]

helm skill 1 should be 10 not 4

jackal and trina can stay on 4/4/4 until you've upgraded that one

[turbid oyster]

oh, so 10/10/7 ?

[shell hazel]

my helm is 10/10/10

[turbid oyster]

is the burst worth lvl 10 ? its rarely used tho

[shell hazel]

you use her in pve as well

[turbid oyster]

i dun even remember when was the last time i use helm burst

[hybrid fox]

sekirei go attack bruh

[swift mango]

5rl Cindy+midhara win agaisnt Cindy team.

[swift mango]

who need rh when you have Mast right?

[shell hazel]

it may do but my cindy is also still busy on another team 😛

[hybrid fox]

sekirei late again

[shell hazel]

there is some RNG in that comp as well I think, and my sync diff doesn't help there

[hybrid fox]

bloody hell

[swift mango]

there is, if Cindy oneshot Blanc or Rumani without trigger Biscuits

[shell hazel]

yeah very possible in my case

max core cindy +30 sync

[warm monolith]

Is vesti good in pvp if i have tbay and poli?

[swift mango]

they max core and synch diff so your blanc would likely to trigger biscuit from normal attack already. And rumani, unless it's buff cindy and crit, it's unlikely to 1 shot her.

[shell hazel]

if you have 3 for science comps you want me to try I'm happy to send them and record

opponent teams here #pvp-arena message

but I need comps to win on at least one of the others as well

[swift mango]

Idk I think we already have this talk yesterday.

[shell hazel]

I don't think you've laid out 3 teams for me to send at any point exactly 🙂

we've had discussions yes, but not with "run this" type output

if a 5RL cindy would work against their cindy I'd need to send something that could reasonably beat one of the other teams as well as it steals cindy from my scar comp

[strong hull]

I know ure viet but somehow i cant prove it

[swift mango]

I did. but just not exactly 5 nikke

[covert lintel]

If it's sekirei, he will atk around 12am-12:30am utc+7

[hybrid fox]

we know each other, probably

[covert lintel]

i know u from merry

[hybrid fox]

I see GOGO insane in CA too

merry?

[covert lintel]

Gogo is so lucky
He got weak player 2 times in a row meanwhile i always get matched with strong people

[shell hazel]

yeah if you do that I could send them otherwise I have 3 teams to dream up and I don't know what to send 😛

[swift mango]

Jackal+Rapipi+Blanc+Drake+Centi..... against their Vesti.

Scarlet+Trina+RH+Centi+siren .... Against Cindy

Noah+Noise+Biscuit+Xmaiden+HelmT ... Against Scarlet.

It's stall order to ask for 3 wins but there you are.

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

I could see that working

swap blanc/drakeT so that blanc isn't in line of fire of vesti?

[covert lintel]

I want 3 win too

[shell hazel]

no you only get 2 wins

[swift mango]

if unbuffed Vesti normal attack could kill blanc from full hp then they deserved that win.

[covert lintel]

Noah 101010 and level diff is so scary

[shell hazel]

thanks blood I appreciate it - I'll send those 3 as a reward and upload the recording 🙂

[hybrid fox]

bro what are u fighting

[shell hazel]

I need to check cp but think all should be in range

[covert lintel]

Astaroth

So hard to breach his noah

[hybrid fox]

level gap too big

[covert lintel]

Even in rookie i can't

[swift mango]

Scarlet probably can't make it though.... could replace RH with Cindy.

[shell hazel]

centi is listed in t1 and t2 as well 😄

[swift mango]

you have rumani and centi

[shell hazel]

yes

I'll put her with jackal I guess backup to her for b1

[swift mango]

they are interchangeable as burst regen unit...

Scar+Trina+Siren+Cindy+Rumani then.

[shell hazel]

I think I lose this one if scarlet fails to kill on double buff tbh

they have noah so it's gg if their cindy bursts

[swift mango]

I mean they have biscuit.

[shell hazel]

I think that one may lose anyway then

[swift mango]

If scarlet could wipe cindy and not trigger biscuit then your Cindy would survive and kill Noah later.

[shell hazel]

I have my doubts on that tbh with the sync diff + max cores + my scar has 0% atk rolls

[swift mango]

so bricked.

[shell hazel]

yep

[swift mango]

You could also go with

Scarlet+Trina+Centi+Rossana+Rumani to kill their Vesti btw

[hollow lagoon]

Wow you out brick me

I thought my 1 atk roll scar was bad

[shell hazel]

we thought that but jackal feed doubled means they likely just feed to 2RL and then ros can't do much

normally it should work

[swift mango]

She can one shot Vesti.

[shell hazel]

but if not if blanc is in time

[swift mango]

Blanc don't go off before Rossana

[coarse lake]

just slow Cindy it

[swift mango]

Slow Cindy against vesti?

[coarse lake]

Just pray mihara tags everyone with dot

[swift mango]

That's like asking to lose.

[swift mango]

Can't dot over Blanc indom

[shell hazel]

I need to full re-roll her stuff a lot basically and it's going to be expensive, I don't need perfect rolls but a couple of atk rolls will help

[coarse lake]

Why would you need to, your indom is slower

[ionic rose]

cant beat the besti's

[hollow lagoon]

I would have to yeet 3ele rolls

[shell hazel]

I think this is the right kind of move as well btw just not sure what this looks like whilst also letting me beat scar team

[swift mango]

Cindy+Blanc+Rumani, Biscuit can't protact all 3.

Slow cindy works against Cindy because Cindy herself protect against Cindy. Work against Scar+Trina because no blanc.

[coarse lake]

Technically it's just slow midhara, bc Cindy doesn't do anything in this matchup

[shell hazel]

no one in my rookie running vesti indom for me to test against

[ionic rose]

and vest's max ammo has to be in multiple of 4, i had 13 ammo, she charges 2 seconds for the last ammo, reloads 2 seconds, charges 2 seconds AGAIN for the next shot, by then indom is over

[swift mango]

Man, you are asking for biscuit treasure.

[coarse lake]

Just replace cindy with someone with similar gen

[shell hazel]

blood given we can't beat cindy probably here anyway, want to re-think the other two?

can we consider slow cindy 4-5RL indom vs vesti?

[swift mango]

This is basically praying Midhara hit all. If she missed one of the non linked unit, you lose.

RNG team.

[coarse lake]

Better than other options

[shell hazel]

it frees up the pieces from scarlet comp I can just skip the cindy team

[swift mango]

just Rossana it. or indom an AR, MG. Easy win.

[charred wedge]

oops wrong chat

[ionic rose]

no ur in the correct chat, we all talking about cindy rn

[coarse lake]

You trust too much in rosa

Maybe if vesti is low doll invest

[shell hazel]

my ros is OK but think she dies off a bit when opponent has SR-15 and max cores and +30 sync 😛

[charred wedge]

replace cindy?!?!? out of context

[swift mango]

I don't, that's why I would bring off burst dps like LapT to help chip off the health bar.

[charred wedge]

seems like im not chief.

[swift mango]

Midhara is rng win.

Why do rng win when you could 100% win?

[coarse lake]

Very high odds rng, better than Rosa crit rng

[charred wedge]

hol up what is this

[ionic rose]

so to beat Besti u need a slower indom or 1.5RL scarlet jackal team

[swift mango]

you don't need to crit to kill 40% hp vesti. And the team you showed has Midhara to counter Rossana so it wouldn't work.

just indom a Scarlet, reit, Rapipi.

[coarse lake]

That's assuming they live vesti hits to burst

[hybrid fox]

yes

[charred wedge]

why did it get deleted

[coarse lake]

[umbral crown]

[swift mango]

unbuffed vesti is weak.

You look at RH buffed max core vesti from Keripo and woa so strong. but her normal attack weak.

[charred wedge]

bunny, midhara, rumani,biscuit and cinderella

[near plank]

this should win right

[coarse lake]

Just looked at the comp, just running p4 vesti should work too if built

[jagged mesa]

guys, SR closure rewards, im gonna be a pvp main with these doll kits

[coarse lake]

B2 Defender flex biscuit vesti b1 should work fine

[minor egret]

Trying to slot Besti in my defense teams. Thinking Jackal/Vesti/Blanc/Emilia/Rumani, Scarlet/Trina/t.Helm/Rosanna/Maiden and Noah/Biscuit/Cindy/Centi/Noise. How does it look? Not sure about some positions

[covert lintel]

If your helmT can one shot midhara, you might lose

[swift mango]

unless you kill Midhara with normal attack, you win. If you killed midhara with normal attack then pray,

[near plank]

whats a 100% win comp for this then

[swift mango]

helm would attack biscuit, no worry.

[covert lintel]

Oh i forgot attacking mean SR will focus on p5

[near plank]

[near plank]

even if rossana did burst i still block right

i dont think that mihara is undergeared

and all of my units in that team dont have insane weapon damage

scar team 100% win ?

or will bay block

[swift mango]

scarlet against Bay is also very sus.

[near plank]

whats the counter to this then

without changing this team

[covert lintel]

Just remember don't ever fight helm with jackal
Your linked units will get deleted

[gritty ridge]

I wake up to 8 hours in c7

[swift mango]

scar+trina+Rh+Centi+Jack

[covert lintel]

It's a different matter if you have rosanna

[gritty ridge]

Just make them misindom

Bring a few snipers, jackal will indom instead of scar

Or redhood

[near plank]

??

[gritty ridge]

Scar is gonna be invulnerable

[swift mango]

Jackal+Trina+xmaiden+Centi+LapT work too

[shell hazel]

btw blood dunno if you saw but whilst my indom rapi does work it's a close run thing lol
https://youtu.be/rOFMeu4ehtM?si=xH-2-OeQiQFCTZU6&t=45

[near plank]

then whos gonna be the dps on the noah team

[shell hazel]

centi normally survives until after indom 😄

or right at the tail end, this was SBS variant

with vesti hopefully it just works the same

[swift mango]

Indom fight will always be close win.

[shell hazel]

she's not bricked like my scar decent enough rolls

need to fix up 2 pieces with good line 3's some day but they're serviceable enough

[lone sequoia]

unit?

[shell hazel]

rapi (it says at the top)

[covert lintel]

Sanis?
Rosanna spoiled me so idk how to win without her for that team

[shell hazel]

I kept the crit damage on line 1 for now as rolling ele is 3 rocks a try

[near plank]

does sbs work

[lone sequoia]

my bad, i always cut the name and OL pieces

need crit rate for pvp, but looks good

[shell hazel]

yeah me too usually but then I realised I should leave the name in so that anyone (inc me) can see who it is

my rapi is mostly pve tbh but she serves OK when called upon for pvp in this indom role too

[near plank]

[lone sequoia]

do we have cs?

[shell hazel]

what did we get? I haven't been in game to check

[lone sequoia]

nothing

[swift mango]

Noise+Trina+xmaiden+LapT+Jackal against Vesti.

Noah+Biscuit+Cindy+HelmT+Rumani agaisnt scarlet

if you want.

not 3 wins but sure win.

[shell hazel]

you think 1st one can cut them down before blanc?

2nd one is assured basically

[swift mango]

ofc, their vesti team is 3rl.

[shell hazel]

that attacking team is very low feed even with the jackal bug

[tropic summit]

busy playing games i'm not permanently on discord sir

[near plank]

??

[shell hazel]

Rail!

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

That why, Na Jackal bug never happened to me btw.

[covert lintel]

Did you play horse grind?

[tropic summit]

SR closed again for bugs, glad SU is keeping the record

[shell hazel]

i'll try out the old rapi indom first see if it works, if not then I can send that for science

[tropic summit]

ye but i'll likely quit that one, not worth it

[near plank]

send it?

[swift mango]

wait what?

[shell hazel]

feels like too much daily grind to me

[tropic summit]

was a fun run although @covert lintel

[shell hazel]

from what people were saying

needed a lot of time to keep on top of daily

[swift mango]

Solo raid down? really?

[lone sequoia]

free mats... probably

[swift mango]

I just did my Challenge run early for the first time, f....

[lone sequoia]

now you can SR15 your vesti

[covert lintel]

Will sbs work on moran team like this? @swift mango

[covert lintel]

Your effort for this SR wasted again

[swift mango]

good luck, Now Emi would ensure the sacc and they vesti would boom boom your cindy,

[near plank]

i dont have lapt

[swift mango]

it's the same.

[jagged mesa]

sr closure gonna give us
12h growth box x2 i think
5x daily darling ticket
!! 1000 gems !!
!!!!!! 48 gold maintenance kit boxes !!!!!!!
!!!!!! 3 day extension !!!!!
24 random batteries

and its only closed for 3h tomorrow

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-funny-as-hell-where-gif-18063029

[jagged mesa]

#game-news message

also in game notice

thats 84 gold kits extra if including the 3 day extension, 96 if we can double dip before and after maintenance on same day

[lone sequoia]

no puppet mats?

[jagged mesa]

puppet? doll?

[covert lintel]

Oh only for a moment

[lone sequoia]

kit boxes?

[jagged mesa]

that would be the 48 gold maintenance kit box

84 if you count 3 day extension, 96 if you can double dip before and after maint

[eternal finch]

Man, the poor testing team getting us all these resources 😭

[jagged mesa]

and tomorrow is co-op shop reset, instant 58 boxes

[lone sequoia]

they are 1/4 of what they were before

3 other games in development

[covert lintel]

Nice, i can sr15 my privaty

[jagged mesa]

cant wait to get laplace from R0 to SR14

[shell hazel]

danke arigatou 🙂

[shell hazel]

this one might actually do it lol, my xmaiden isn't perfect stats as main burst though very little re-roll done for her yet

them (2.5RL maybe with some CS)

me: probably quicker than 2RL if I get lucky with feed?

[swift mango]

against their indom team, not their Sacc team.

[near plank]

how does the xmaiden team work

[swift mango]

it kill all 3 units in the 3rl jackal linked.

[near plank]

how does it beat indom

[shell hazel]

maiden is bugged atm as well

[swift mango]

LapT is fine too if you need the cp.

[tropic summit]

working as intended

[near plank]

dont have lapt, the cp kinda low

[tropic summit]

can't have an SR without a few cancelled ones

[covert lintel]

2rl xmaid vs 3rl jack mean by the time your xmaiden burst, they are still at b1 burst

[swift mango]

There was that stuck in phase 1 bug since started of solo raid, but it's randomly occupied afaik... they waited too long for reset this time.

[shell hazel]

in theory we b3 before they even b1 according to the work site

[near plank]

isnt the scar team 2 rl?

[shell hazel]

minimal feed bug aside, it won't add much as entire team is RL

[swift mango]

nope

[near plank]

whats the cp penalty again

[shell hazel]

think xmaiden and lapt both have OK cp

[shell hazel]

enemy cp * 0.846 = your min recommended

[near plank]

15%?>

[swift mango]

I mean LapT instead of centi

[shell hazel]

oh lol

nah centi is fine cp wise I think also

my centi has 15% cs as well may as well use her

[near plank]

barely

[swift mango]

my centi is my strongest b2 cp wise.

[shell hazel]

I don't neglect most of my pvp team except the ones I've not fully done yet, bay, poli, soda etc. Most of the others are very usable state

[near plank]

how about now

[swift mango]

Emi give more feed than LapT but should be okay I guess.

[shell hazel]

maybe with the free doll materials I can look at doing my last few SR-5 to SR-15 upgrades - I gotta upgrade:
-Centi
-Trina
-Rumani
-Biscuit
-Blanc

[near plank]

does changing noise to rumani do anything?

[shell hazel]

everyone else in my SPA is SR-15 already

[covert lintel]

It gives u faster speed

[shell hazel]

noise buffs cindy/heals but has lower burst gen a bit

[swift mango]

probably could change Noise to RH.

[near plank]

[shell hazel]

@umbral belfry

[umbral belfry]

that t3 is dead helm sniped and cindy blocked by bay. bisc likely dead quick due to lap

[near plank]

but is it better

[umbral belfry]

[near plank]

specifically against the enemy team

[wet torrent]

Anyone who can help me with Arena/Special arena teams?

[swift mango]

bay cover would not last to 3rl, especially with RH buff.

Noah block HelmT snipe thanks to taunt.

[near plank]

cause i need to 1 shot them right

[umbral belfry]

oh it's p2 helm

that's on them then

but he's not using rh I only saw noah bisc cindy helm noise. bisc is still in a dangerous spit either way

[swift mango]

I told him to use RH instead of Noise.

[umbral belfry]

[covert lintel]

That's not even treasure bay

[shell hazel]

all bays should be treasured

[near plank]

i wonder how much rh buffs the damage

we dont need to burst fast in this team?

[lone sequoia]

tell that to SU, still need a copy

[covert lintel]

But I still think sanis was better

[shell hazel]

I forwarded the message

[swift mango]

You could also change helm+Noise to Emi+RH.

so you could go with

Noise+Trina+Xmaiden+HelmT+Jackal for team 1.

anyway, should be fine. Later.

[swift mango]

200 silver take it or leave it.

[shell hazel]

khajit has wares if you have coin

[lone sequoia]

i was about to use 200 golden, but tried first with 90 pulls on standard

still need 20k gems but we got the collab news; now i wait

[shell hazel]

if you have her already you can use silver mileage though

this is for bay right?

[lone sequoia]

not enough silver tickets

that was the problem

[shell hazel]

yeah but we get more in time 😛

[near plank]

[shell hazel]

events and such

and freebies

[covert lintel]

Btw when will vesti go to wishlist?

[lone sequoia]

4 months at least

[shell hazel]

I expect not until after the banners end, and may not be right away

they might update the ordinary list in october or so

[lone sequoia]

probably before the next big* event

[shell hazel]

I'm not necessarily expecting them to appear until late sep at the earliest

[lone sequoia]

we should get 1 or 2 normal events

[shell hazel]

end of sep is meant to be QOL update, so that is my guess

[covert lintel]

My hand is itchy
I want to draw

[umbral belfry]

put some lotion on it

[shell hazel]

chop it off no temptation then 🙂

[glad meteor]

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

goon

[shell hazel]

speaking of, this released on Steam today

[glad meteor]

Horizon wamker

[shell hazel]

also straight into maintenance and some dodgy anti-cheat thing that flags Defender lol

tbh I don't really like the models in that game 😛

[near plank]

this is what i get for believing in people here i guess

[shell hazel]

fail? did you record it?

[swift mango]

Is jesus a god?

[shell hazel]

he could be

[swift mango]

So we have to eat him?

[covert lintel]

Horizon licker

[shell hazel]

you know you want to blood

[swift mango]

[near plank]

https://streamable.com/kx8tsh

[umbral belfry]

blood let him down

[near plank]

not a single team worked

[umbral belfry]

in my defense I warned about p2 bisc

[near plank]

then everyone here will yap

[swift mango]

bruh, That scarlet team is 2rl now

[near plank]

ofc this would happen cause bla bla bla

[umbral belfry]

[near plank]

i said it was 2 rl too btw

[odd lantern]

all 3 red lol

[lone sequoia]

just go with vesti against blanc team and indo emi for bay team

[umbral belfry]

as red as your pfp

[odd lantern]

correctz

[shell hazel]

[odd lantern]

found another red enjoyer

[swift mango]

it's not 2rl, just she could snipe scarlet from full hp.

(or maybe it is) (edit)

[lone sequoia]

or just... noah/biscuit, you can stall against indo scarlet

[swift mango]

[umbral belfry]

cindy got blocked too

[covert lintel]

Xmaid failed to kill scar

[umbral belfry]

see there's a team I think would win but I don't wanna yet yelled at

[umbral belfry]

bc scar had indom

[shell hazel]

send it

full send it

[umbral belfry]

he's gonna yell at me

[shell hazel]

no he won't
-# ok maybe he will

[covert lintel]

So that means jackal and trina have cs 17

[umbral belfry]

that, or it's due to the jack bug

[swift mango]

Do you have Emi or Vesti built? only need s3lv7 on either of them .

[near plank]

theres only 1 person i trust in pvp

[limber rampart]

scarlet so strong

[near plank]

@worthy knoll but he is afk

[lone sequoia]

xd

[near plank]

and zik is deadge too

[swift mango]

on another the though, don't snip with your Xmaiden or it would be like Toiky.

[swift mango]

who is this? vesti?

[umbral belfry]

yes

[shell hazel]

very possible my xmaiden also not that strong tbh

i'll try the usual comp first, instead of xmaiden someone else could work?

[lone sequoia]

xmaiden can't snipe a link unless you have her with good buffers

[shell hazel]

mine hardly has great rolls either

[swift mango]

You said you won with Cindy before so I thought Bay won't block. But little did I know.

And xmaiden not able to one shot linked is outside of my expectations too...

Sorry about that.

[umbral belfry]

I told you blood

[near plank]

clear screenshot of maiden burst

[umbral belfry]

I tried to save u

[glad meteor]

Xmaiden has like 2 frame delay before it hits

[umbral belfry]

but xmaid did in fact kill link. blanc just managed to burst before xmaid could, which I think is due to jack double bug

bc otherwise they shouldn't have the feed to do so

unless the rls have a ton of cs maybe

[glad meteor]

Could be more

[swift mango]

yeah, bad jackal. Why it never happened to me.

[umbral belfry]

[lone sequoia]

nop, just extra shared dmg post burst

[near plank]

[umbral belfry]

[covert lintel]

Back to rosanna ig

[near plank]

scar had indom so literally unkillable

[lone sequoia]

naa, easy to win against that team 2 years ago and easier this day

just read the ideas above

[shell hazel]

usual rapi indom won

gets a bit dicey though with all the cores and syncs and whatnot 😄

[umbral belfry]

[near plank]

not easy enough cause it still won

also i didnt see you drop any ideas and you just react to clip

[covert lintel]

That cindy get blocked
Sanis might have won it

[near plank]

like i said people here just like to spam "I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN BLA BLA BLA"

[odd lantern]

scar indom isn't that strong - low firepower because no trina burst

[near plank]

but be quiet when it comes to planning the attack

[glad meteor]

[lone sequoia]

i don't like to give teams, just help people to "learn"

[swift mango]

well, it's not that hard to be honest

Noah+Noise+Biscuit+HelmT+LapT would ensure scarlet indom a lose.

---

Emi/Vesti+Blanc+RH+Centi+Jackal ....would beat Moran+Bay.

[covert lintel]

But i tried to suggest it even though i'm not confident

[lone sequoia]

there are more things in pvp than x team win against y, pvp is a player to player case

[near plank]

i have all of those except lapt

i guess i can only wait till merry replies

[odd lantern]

xmaiden works

[near plank]

if desperate use those teams

[near plank]

literally doesnt cause scarlet gets indom

watch the vid

[odd lantern]

replaces lapT

obviously - context

[umbral belfry]

we nearly had the same idea

but if it fails I don't wanna get yelled at so

[covert lintel]

[near plank]

whats the point of hanging out here and not dropping ideas

win or lose doesnt matter tbh

[lone sequoia]

xd

[near plank]

im guaranteed max reward

[lone sequoia]

how many Sr15 units rosy will get with these free mats

[near plank]

he literally cant win, but this mofo is a pvp only guy

[covert lintel]

This single nikke can turn 3 reds into 3 blue on not cp deficit

[odd lantern]

you already got a suggestion right - the only problem you had was missing lapT, which you can replace with xmaiden

[whole pawn]

wait cindy p1? dont they suggest p2 or p3?

[near plank]

whos a def team cook here

win or lose doesnt matter just need to annoy him with ideas

the more the merrier

no lapt/rosa/moran/bay

[lone sequoia]

should be fine, you have biscuit and mihara DoT is what make your team win, they run out dmg faster when you only need to stall with blanc burst

[whole pawn]

oh ok, i thought of this because hitting cindy would regenerate their burst gauge, cuz of the decoy

[lone sequoia]

the only thing i don't like in that team is rumani can die before pre-burst if the enemy team have dmg

[lone sequoia]

yep, but that have different uses

[whole pawn]

blood must be cooking something

do i need to have

a good ca% on my rl for pvp?

[lone sequoia]

ca%?

[whole pawn]

cs

on jackal, trina, rumani, centi....

bay

do we have to rerol ol for these units

[odd lantern]

it helps but you can get by without

[lone sequoia]

not on every unit, just the ones you need, if you* run a nuke comp you will need cs to land the hit faster

for other teams depends in who last hit to trigger the burst chain

[lone sequoia]

and that is like clip fix (clip RL will last hit) for other teams you don't want cs, but not many use those teams

[covert lintel]

Oh wait double noise

[odd lantern]

obvious noise fan

[lone sequoia]

soda/noise?

[near plank]

privaty stun comp in 2025

[near plank]

does it work?

[covert lintel]

[odd lantern]

not really - unless you are low level

[near plank]

i guess it can confuse people at the very least

[whole pawn]

the issue is that i only have a space for 3 units on quantum cube

so others might just use whatever good, for ezayi gave jacka resilience, but even so, i thought maybe increasing thei cs

[lone sequoia]

for synergy you only need cs, the extra will be more lines for cp (core mechanic) now for a specific match up you will need more dmg or defensive stats... if you reroll try to get CS+DEF a 3rd line it will be an extra, if you get DEF or CS in the 3rd line you can keep them but the main priority will be cs... ammo work after that (not on rumani)

[whole pawn]

might help in buest regen

[near plank]

any other suggestions

[whole pawn]

since i dont have more space on quantum, one can assume that i may or may not lack burst regen

[lone sequoia]

you only need quantum for few teams

not a must

[whole pawn]

my team 3 has no Quantum at all xd

[lone sequoia]

you have to check the burst gen, who last hit and if you really need the extra burst gen on hit

[whole pawn]

do i give one unit from t3 a cube, so that every team has one unit with quantum?

[whole pawn]

mmmm i gotta use that app right? brb

[lone sequoia]

it doesn't matter, depends on team, if you have a higher lvl cube that will be better

lets say i have a 3RL team that burst gen is like 190 at 2RL, that team will need quantum to get the extra burst gen and reach 2RL

[odd lantern]

there are tons of them in the pinned messages?

[lone sequoia]

bro

[umbral belfry]

that's me

[odd lantern]

me too

just try to be discreet, yea? haha

[lone sequoia]

yep...

well, i only use kosmiu or gratix doc

[near plank]

need some new ones with vesti

[odd lantern]

noah vesti helm rh jackal <-- keripo's comp

blanc vesti is just a matter of replacing some existing dps with vesti, you can just use the pinned messages for this

[covert lintel]

Just think vesti is an upgraded emi or sanis and place her into the team

[lone sequoia]

i don't know how to use nikke deck, some people here pref that over other apps

but probably only T2 need 1 quantum cube

[whole pawn]

@swift mango

[whole pawn]

then t2 will use all cubes?

[covert lintel]

But i don't rec 777 vesti to be put into def
Need the same investment as sanis or emi

[umbral belfry]

🤝

[whole pawn]

not much

[lone sequoia]

you only need quantum to reach the speed you want in some teams that need the cube, if you don't need that cube your next option is the highest lvl cube you have, if you only need 1 cube you can just... use 1 cube+ the other from the highest lvl, even if you add more cubes to that team or others it will not change the speed

[glad glade]

Does the siren stun still happen at 2.5 RL in Rookie and SPA?

[twilit bay]

Will I win this?
Noah, Biscuit, Emillia, RH, Helm
Blanc, Besti, RH, Biscuit, Helm (me)

[covert lintel]

Yes

[whole pawn]

i see , well ig i will give t2 all quantum i have ig

[odd lantern]

that's a slow team - are you more invested than your opponent?

[twilit bay]

Probably not, they're a higher level than me

I was thinking that it would be fine unless Emilia some how takes out Besti before bursting

[odd lantern]

not likely - but it really depends how much the gap is

[twilit bay]

very low cp gap, but they have all sr15 dolls and stuff.

[glad meteor]

Vesti could die to emi autos?

[odd lantern]

is your vesti SR15?

[twilit bay]

Thats what I was thinking, probably not going to happen though

SR10

[glad meteor]

Emi does have ele adv. but most don’t build ele

[twilit bay]

Sanis instead of Vesti would be safer?

[glad meteor]

Is this rookie?

[twilit bay]

yes

[umbral belfry]

vesti gonna get doused by emi

[glad meteor]

Wonder if this would win

[umbral belfry]

what's she doing there

[twilit bay]

That's a bit weird, I can try though lol

[umbral belfry]

if it fails take k's money

[twilit bay]

Wait, wouldn't their Emilia's burst hit by the time my Noah bursts?

[glad meteor]

Should get blocked, they’re 2rl emi

[twilit bay]

Oh, thought that I needed 3rl, didn't realise it was so slow

[glad meteor]

This was my usual counter

[twilit bay]

Noah,Noise,Cinderella,Biscuit,Jackal
works for me, but I wanted to try something new

[glad meteor]

But i have rh here

[covert lintel]

She's having a bbq with rh while hiding behind noah's shield

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

slow gen

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

To block nuke with noah

And she’s decently invested in most accounts. Every 5 hits heal is nice as well

[glad meteor]

Apparently with cs and quantum. This team can 3 rl

Also rh trigger

[odd lantern]

2 and 3 is a big difference haha

[glad meteor]

Yeah, lol, 3rl*

I’ve used emi against 3rl noah and nuke went through. So I rely on 4rl instead

[twilit bay]

Team burst in 3rl and I died

[swift mango]

Do you have Rossanna built?

[umbral belfry]

say goodbye to your money @glad meteor

[glad meteor]

[lone sequoia]

ff

[twilit bay]

Suffering from too much cs

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/i-will-give-you-the-money-baze10-markangelcomedy-ill-send-you-the-cash-ill-pay-you-gif-697824426377921997

[glad meteor]

The vesti team eh?

[twilit bay]

yeah, with naga

[glad meteor]

good to know. Thanks for running it 🫡

[twilit bay]

🫡

[lone sequoia]

cindy

[odd lantern]

but your vesti survived to burst?

[swift mango]

Try this if you don't have Rossanna built.

HelmT hit Scarlet. (Sure win, at less 100/100 for me against this same scarlet indom, my enemy higher level and max core even)

Rapu hit Rossanna (leave their Midhara survive so they have no sacc), move Scarlet to p1 so you counter their Rossanna to ded at the cost of Scarlet deal some dmg to Midhara)

Vesti hit HelmT (you might not have enough dmg).

[twilit bay]

We both burst,
Emilia wiped my team after noah ran out

[odd lantern]

oh I thought yours was a blanc team

thanks for the info

[glad meteor]

Was testing a “4rl” noah team, but cs was enough to make it 3rl for nuke to go through

Also red hood proc maybe

[odd lantern]

pay to lose sometimes haha

[odd lantern]

did your vesti have a lot of health by the time noah burst?
you could extrapolate if she could have survived 3RL

assuming vesti was p2

[twilit bay]

This team

[odd lantern]

oh. okay

[twilit bay]

she pretty much had full hp

[odd lantern]

naga didnt get hit much too I assume?

granted no ele weakness to emilia

[twilit bay]

nah, she was about half

[odd lantern]

oh then vesti really could have died

if you had run blanc vesti

[twilit bay]

She did lol

[worthy sorrel]

is anyone good as cs math? how do i figure out the min cs on vesti for this team to reach 2rl?

like is it just 15cs or would 12 work 🤔

I'm totally helpless without nikke.work

[twilit bay]

I tried that right after

[swift mango]

Vesti may not have enough dmg.

[umbral belfry]

I forgot the team already but if their vesti doesn't have enough dmg with blanc somehow then

[odd lantern]

you can try your blanc vesti team, but with jackal (quantum) instead of helm

vesti would survive then

[swift mango]

It's a special case.

[twilit bay]

As you were typing that, I was running blanc,vesti,biscuit,helm,jackal
I won

[swift mango]

Moran+Bay+HelmT heal. It's hard for uninvested Vesti.

[umbral belfry]

blanc p much negates moran dr no? and only vesti's nuke would get blocked by bay. blanc vesti should win but I haven't seen any matches

[swift mango]

Vesti would need to fight against HelmT heal unbuffed. Moran+Bay is more DR than Blanc too, depending on investment.

[placid bloom]

your stall stronk my SG cannot chew through your Nero @acoustic light

[umbral belfry]

phoric been raising his stall

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

Just Vesti it.

[placid bloom]

I wanted to see if Doro could chew through Nero

apparently not

[swift mango]

Vesti+Blanc+RH+Centi+Jackal

[placid bloom]

I don't have Vesti because I am bad at the game

[swift mango]

How about Emi?

[acoustic light]

same

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

Cindy+Blanc+Biscuit+Midhara+Rumani should win too.

[umbral belfry]

want me to lend you both some of mine

[glad meteor]

@worthy sorrel looks like 19?

[placid bloom]

I am not CA attendee so I don't need Vesti

I am PvEer now

[umbral belfry]

there's still time kuwon

[acoustic light]

u can take some laplace 🤝

[umbral belfry]

[acoustic light]

they bully kuwon

[umbral belfry]

help him phoric

[swift mango]

If you wanted SR top you need Vesti.

[placid bloom]

I am 3% without Vesti so it's okay

[acoustic light]

3% for this one too

pve main

[umbral belfry]

sr challenge reseting

[odd lantern]

i am 3% with vesti - vesti is weak in raid

[umbral belfry]

good thing I always wait til the last day

[odd lantern]

she's better in campaign

[placid bloom]

well we getting score reset but surely 3 day extension is not enough for other people to build their fire and knock me out of 3%

[glad meteor]

i need to go again

[umbral belfry]

[acoustic light]

fr I was like resetting what

[umbral belfry]

gotta love SR bugs bc more rewards

[lone sequoia]

cindy/rh him

[placid bloom]

I am 99.99% sure Cindy cannot kill through Moran Nero

[umbral belfry]

nesso saying to beat phoric's ass 😭

[placid bloom]

I was testing Doro anyway

[worthy sorrel]

[placid bloom]

but Nero 2x HP passive so fat

[acoustic light]

https://tenor.com/view/daddy-chill-chill-mommy-gif-3344102764505821373

[worthy sorrel]

well rip that idea

[placid bloom]

[glad meteor]

Nero died then res?

[placid bloom]

there is no res, Mana revive disabled by Rosanna

[glad meteor]

Oh yeah

[placid bloom]

and Rapu p5

I just can't kill Nero

[glad meteor]

Nero full hp though

[worthy sorrel]

ty btw 🙏 really helpful

[glad meteor]

Guess heal from counter and lifesteal

[umbral belfry]

lock in cup

[worthy sorrel]

now the question becomes what cs does she at 2.5rl for noise to still be fast enough to avoid siren stun

[placid bloom]

nah it's this passive, I underestimate how much HP this gives

[umbral belfry]

[keen vapor]

Nero?

[acoustic light]

just kill siren first 🤔

[placid bloom]

yeah

[glad meteor]

Yeah. It good to make sg harder to kill it

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-oprahs-bank-account-meme-laptop-gif-20803826

[keen vapor]

Not good enough against Vesti it seems

[worthy sorrel]

this is the way

[glad meteor]

indeed

[acoustic light]

if anyone can do it cup can 4 ele incoming

[swift mango]

Helm against scarlet

Vesti against Helm.

[umbral belfry]

sure would be a shame if instead of siren it was a p2 soda so it's instant gg

[swift mango]

Solved their def.

[keen vapor]

Rock paper scissors

[swift mango]

No, I just made hard counter.

[glad meteor]

soda investors

[worthy sorrel]

i don't have 4 ele.
I have 1 ele
some cs rolls and atk rolls prevented me from easy four ele, but i'll take what i can get

[umbral belfry]

[glad meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/ade-rave-nikke-maid-gif-8559641047470293897

[swift mango]

It it doesn't win then he need to rethink about his investment.

[acoustic light]

atk is better for pvp yup

[swift mango]

Can't be that bricked even if you wanted to. Or maybe his Noise had more ATK than his Vesti.

Oh well

[worthy sorrel]

i did c7, so that's kind of like an extra ele roll there, but not sure if she'll be killing opp sirens before stun. still a tall order with sr15 damage reduction

[placid bloom]

without ele probably not

[lone sequoia]

it doesn't matter, you aim to kill p1~p3 pre-burst

[placid bloom]

then again we have to see how lv400 sync affects performance

[lone sequoia]

all my lvls are in support hp

[worthy sorrel]

gonna be a wild CA. especially if they still haven't fixed the dupe bug

[lone sequoia]

dupe bug?

the double proc?

[worthy sorrel]

yeah doube proc

[glad meteor]

Did the post even get traction. , they haven’t mentioned anything related to it in game

Compensation for arena is not fun either. They gave people free hits last time pvp was bugged

[umbral belfry]

what if it never gets fixed

[lone sequoia]

seasonal buffs

next time will be immune for p1-p5

[oblique gyro]

@shell hazel hey

i can hit VOID now, i'll help you put him down

[glad meteor]

Then that’s life. It still isn’t as bad as whiffs and target skip since that was out of our control young hime

[umbral belfry]

🐣

[lone sequoia]

only for you, i really liked residual and whiffs, more interesting things for team building

[swift mango]

You could have not enough dmg with just Vesti vs Helm heal.

[umbral belfry]

[lone sequoia]

ff

centi need more dmg

[umbral belfry]

also christ your link almost died what happened

[glad meteor]

Helm ele and scar autos

[acoustic light]

wait so nero moran def wouldn't die to just vesti blanc then

[umbral belfry]

there's video of them dying to vesti blanc

[severe nimbus]

the fomo got to me with vesti...did a single 10 pull and despite the light being purple, she came home. now to build her and figure out where I can slot her into my pvp teams...

[umbral belfry]

not talking about keripo's vid

[severe nimbus]

im assuming shes good for both atk and def teams in pvp?

[glad meteor]

If bro had more ammo on helm could heal up

[umbral belfry]

I think @twilit bay showed it

[acoustic light]

okok ill look around later

[lone sequoia]

there are more teams that people just don't use

[placid bloom]

it's invest dependent

we'll see how it actually performs in CA

[umbral belfry]

[twilit bay]

Here

[lone sequoia]

the only thing that can save some people

from dying pre-burst against vesti teams

[swift mango]

Depending on how invested Vesti Blanc vs that Nero, also HelmT is also a buffer mind you.

[umbral belfry]

I believe in my helm

[lone sequoia]

we believe in your whale helm

[placid bloom]

I kinda want Vesti for campaign mald but I guess I will just mald the hard way

[umbral belfry]

[swift mango]

Here are another various fight with Vesti Blanc 0cs vs 2rl helm.

[lone sequoia]

with better units(?

[umbral belfry]

dwife

[swift mango]

My strongest unit.

[atomic wolf]

@umbral belfry this team loses to 3rl siren

[swift mango]

Do this before the SR reset

Kinda wanted to reroll dispatch but damn.

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel raid reset like I predicted

[lone sequoia]

maintenance?

[near plank]

I wanna see the I knew this wouldn't work comments

[lone sequoia]

i said emi

good luck @swift mango

[umbral belfry]

why are you using p1 noah with no noise vs siren star :(

[swift mango]

If you knew your Vesti isn't strong enough then don't go for it.

Cindy team was even a lucky win. It could lose against indom. That's why I told you to burst with helm.

As for their HelmT team

Vesti+Blanc+RH+Centi+Jackal work.

[umbral belfry]

at least I got one right

[swift mango]

By luck.

[umbral belfry]

a wins a win

[strange linden]

did somone tested vesti against nero/moran team?

[umbral belfry]

now dailies time

[swift mango]

Yeah, by a thread.

[atomic wolf]

Well wbat am i supposed to do

Its more about def testing than atk

[swift mango]

I lost that same match up before tbh. scarlet counter is scary.

That's why I burst with HelmT.

[atomic wolf]

problem is just that cinderella sucks

so vesti replacing cinderella fixed the problem

cinderella simply does not do enough damage to wipe the entire party and leaving the two most dangerous nikke alive which is biscuit and moran

[twilit bay]

maybe t2 would be less rng if you burst with helm instead. That's what I do

[near plank]

Their needs to be like a credibility/reputation score

[tropic summit]

it's a tradition at this point

[twilit bay]

For the bay team, K showed me this team a while ago
Blanc,SBS,Biscuit,Rapi,Rumani
Won consistently for me
(SBS has to have more atk than Rapi)

[near plank]

People backpedal too often

[hollow lagoon]

Prob the Miranda Mihara exploit

[swift mango]

There is no way for anyone to 100% win. Especially if you don't provide every information about you box.

[lone sequoia]

time to filter who can ask now?

[near plank]

More like filter who can answer

I'm 0-5 asking for pvp advice here

[swift mango]

Dude just ignore my recommendation now just because he lost one on a bug and a team he said it won so I assume doesn't need to fix.

While I spent hours to work out teams for him.

[near plank]

I guess I just have to keep spamming merry in omni chat

[swift mango]

Call your merry then.

[near plank]

Already did hours ago I'll just ignore this pvp chat

Its full of pvp cosplayers as far as I'm concerned

[tropic summit]

you're talking to a 3 times CA champion and someone who helped a lot of people before, he's still human and could make mistakes

[near plank]

The good pvp people already left/retired

[tropic summit]

no need to be an ass and just appreciate he spent time for you imo

better luck next time and move on

[tropic summit]

there's no "good" people when the game only needs 2 or 3 variation of attack teams to deal with any team

pvp is a solved mode and very easy

[umbral belfry]

omni pvp

[tropic summit]

just play rock against scissor

or scissor against paper

[near plank]

People keep saying it's solved

But can't suggest a team that works

[tropic summit]

and yet here you are asking for help

where does that put you?

don't be an ass and try again next time, better luck

[near plank]

Cause I'm not a pvp expert

[atomic wolf]

Average cinderella fan btw

[glad meteor]

[near plank]

Yet people here cosplay as pvp experts

[atomic wolf]

Actual braindead

[tropic summit]

[umbral belfry]

pray for merry

[near plank]

Wow someone going for insults instead of an actual argument

[atomic wolf]

Imagine having the public indecency display of "I'm superior than you" but still asks here as if anyonr would like to answer in that tone

[glad meteor]

Just ping merry in omni chat and wait there

[near plank]

Truly a maincord moment

[near plank]

Yep

[glad meteor]

[near plank]

When did I say I'm superior?

[atomic wolf]

Eventually his egirl femboy merry whatever will stop giving a shit about him with this kind of subhuman mindset

[glad meteor]

[near plank]

Stop fighting ghosts Lil bro

[glad meteor]

Something somehting. Being condescending

[umbral belfry]

[near plank]

This guy making fan theories out of nowhere lmao

[glad meteor]

You did this with rheax last time

[umbral belfry]

the mods will be here soon I fear

[atomic wolf]

Good

[placid bloom]

imagine not giving hugs and kisses instead of arguing, couldn't be me

[atomic wolf]

This chat has good people this guy is not one of them

[near plank]

I'm not the one insulting people and making up random things that didn't happen

[atomic wolf]

Railtracer said it before PvP is still a dice roll

[glad meteor]

bruh, that’s what you’ve been doing

[atomic wolf]

Who cares if you loses all you're doing is feeding SU

Just go do something else

[glad meteor]

Just wait in omnicord

[atomic wolf]

Loses CA? Its a casino payout RNG

Loses SPa? Get better deficit lmao

[near plank]

Yet poeple say it's a, solved game

[atomic wolf]

Loses Rookie?

[near plank]

You guys contradict yourself

[atomic wolf]

overall if someone comes here and talk shit like this honestly i'd have told him to do what commander did to marian in prologue

[eager mountain]

🍿

[umbral belfry]

[lone sequoia]

snipe day

[swift mango]

Sir, I'm a filthy casual.

@raven plover help him. Real pro here. And least he won more champ in top oldest bracket in SEA than your Merry.

So he could be trusted.

[tropic summit]

🍰