pvp-arena

[fathom rock]

Mcducks guy hit 5th then me instead of me directly

[pale knoll]

I have all lose and all wins now

[covert lintel]

Nah, BD is decent to get
You just exchange it to CD without calculating it so it became that way

[fathom rock]

My ein is 4 ele 4 atk I think i need 481 anyway

[covert lintel]

The only problem is indeed credit

[fathom rock]

Not that it matters I'm being oneshot anyway

[swift mango]

Idk what happened but somehow my DKW went back to my top 1 CP. Not changed her at all or core her up recently. Same to Helm.

[fathom rock]

Pvp player have sr15 c6 dkw
Cube?

[covert lintel]

Sr15

[lunar pawn]

got all guesses right without reviewing teams, except the keripo fight (he lost)

[swift mango]

Both lv8 cube.

[fathom rock]

If remove cube they no longer there?
Could be you simply équipes them for elysion tower

[swift mango]

I'm not a pvp player now, just a filthy casual.

[swift mango]

If everyone removed cube both should still stay 1-2 I guess.

[pale knoll]

You will due to low cp

[fathom rock]

Get me dupes and I'll clear by 461
Team at 860k rn, sync 438

[worldly osprey]

ah no no i used rapipi sbs blanc rapuz and some other unit i forgot, and that’s how i won my first championship my bad rapi. you’re still as cute as when we first won together

[pale knoll]

What team?

[covert lintel]

What's a minimum investment for vesti?

[fathom rock]

Cindy liter ein crown mmast

[fathom rock]

4/7/8->4/10/10

[pale knoll]

You won't cut it at 461 lol, 481 it is

[fathom rock]

[swift mango]

I won with delta so I win.

[raven plover]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-verne-over-the-hedge-turtle-disbelief-gif-24744867

what did you feed her, 12 black lines?

[fathom rock]

C6

[swift mango]

Idk, I will just wait to clear mirror with my Scarlet like when I first cleared it.

[fathom rock]

501 clear

[swift mango]

My Scarlet is more CP than my Cindy. Both 3 Ele now.

[quartz rover]

What sorta defense do I use for this? They keep farming me even when not top few in rookie

I know for a fact they're using the scarlet team for everything

[shell hazel]

2rl noah/cindy

or 2rl bay cope if you lack noah

2rl blanc/vesti would also be an option but it's secret tech not sure you want to unleash it

[quartz rover]

I lack bay as well

Yeah I don't want c1 and c2 to know about vesti

They aren't using her even though they have her (got the pfp)

[shell hazel]

that you know of anyway

[quartz rover]

True

C1 dude hasn't moved an inch so I doubt he even has her in mind

Do you think theres some kinda blanc shenanigans I can do vs them? Or is that team too fast

[placid bloom]

you need HelmT

[quartz rover]

Gottem

[quartz rover]

I imagine I need to use jackal since she's bugged and theyre too fast if I dont use her

What's the red border

[shell hazel]

I was going to say this

you b2 before they b3

so regular scar indom would also be a counter to it

[quartz rover]

I lack scarlet, Noah, rumani, bay

[shell hazel]

you don't have either scarlet?

[quartz rover]

I have sbs

[shell hazel]

you can try the sbs variant that kuwon posted then if your CP is good

[quartz rover]

I can do what kuwon shown

[placid bloom]

I'm still not too fond of unprotected Blanc, but maybe my opponent's Scarlets are too strong so the risk of her dying is higher

then again I also don't have tempering on her

[pale knoll]

521 clear

[shell hazel]

if you got at least SR-5 blanc and she's not sat in danger should be OK

[quartz rover]

My biscuit too low

[shell hazel]

depends on speed

[swift mango]

I guess I will just send her next CA like this.

[swift mango]

[shell hazel]

I don't really call that lack tbh 😄

my vesti isn't even 7/7/7 don't have the skill manuals

[quartz rover]

No im not attacking, just showing the difference

[placid bloom]

well it's not guaranteed Blanc will die every time without Biscuit, but there is always the possibility you get highrolled by Scar counter

at least with 2x proc bug it's never safe

[shell hazel]

another clip RL instead of biscuit then

[placid bloom]

after they fix the bug there should be no chance of dying

[shell hazel]

you need to check jackal links

[placid bloom]

I didn't use Biscuit until the bug happened

[quartz rover]

I can actually give blanc a Sr doll

I dont have any other worthy ar unless you want me to invest in moran

[shell hazel]

yeah do it is worth

nah it's mainly scarlet next if you get her

[shell hazel]

moran is behind the usual crew

[placid bloom]

maybe like 1/5 swings you will fail without Biscuit

just from getting high rolled

[shell hazel]

give to blanc if you like the pvp will be useful

and you need a normal blue RL doll for jackal sometime

[quartz rover]

Shit, thought I had a Sr doll for ar

[placid bloom]

[shell hazel]

what dolls do you have spare?

[placid bloom]

all bad

[shell hazel]

yeah nothing to do there

keep the purple RL doll until you get a good chance to upgrade a core unit (or vesti)

[quartz rover]

The rl is for Cindy when she's r15

[shell hazel]

yeah cindy is good

and useful in pve so worth doing

[quartz rover]

The moment I get a blue rl from my outpost after reset, ill be sure to give to jackal

Unless I should do biscuit to beef her up

[shell hazel]

nah jackal > biscuit imo

[placid bloom]

if you have high level resilience or something you can swap everyone to resilience instead of using quantum

[shell hazel]

I sometimes don't run biscuit but I always run jackal

[placid bloom]

that might make you get in CP range

cuz you don't need quantum with that setup

your goal

[shell hazel]

your opponent has SR-15 jackal though so they're also fairly serious lol

[quartz rover]

It'll take away resil on my spa teams though

[shell hazel]

yeah swapping cubes can be annoying

[placid bloom]

then you will need to OL someone

[placid bloom]

it's honestly winnable at that deficit anyway

as long as Biscuit doesn't get double crit by counter or some shit

[quartz rover]

I could swap biscuit, did you say clip rl or clip sg

[hollow lagoon]

lol how do u even get thous rolls

[placid bloom]

that's the only way you lose

[shell hazel]

biscuit might die like kuwon says

[fathom rock]

Using rocks

[shell hazel]

blanc sorry

trade off haha

[quartz rover]

Ill run biscuit just to see if I can bait people into fighting lower power

[placid bloom]

his Scar isn't the strongest, it's R15

[hollow lagoon]

u have that many rocks to spare on ein let me know hwo to cheat rocks

[placid bloom]

maybe his skill 2 not fantastic

but if he is 10/10/10 Scar your chance of dying to counter is not that low

[fathom rock]

My global spares rocks on ein, because it's not investing pvp

[umbral belfry]

@fathom rock jwoz running 3rl moran bay doomed him

[placid bloom]

[swift mango]

Behold, my no OL Vesti in action.

[hollow lagoon]

my pvp barely consumed 1/4 of my total rocks spent

[umbral belfry]

kept telling people you're basically ruining your chances of stopping 2rl nuke with 3rl bay tsk tsk

[quartz rover]

People in my rookie are running siren, is jackal p1 safe?

[umbral belfry]

@hollow lagoon didja win?

[fathom rock]

Where you want me to spend rocks, cuz I won't spend it on chasing black lines
Is spread on solo raid units

[placid bloom]

2RL p1 B1 does not care about Mermaid

[fathom rock]

I'm aiming 0.5% this time

[placid bloom]

the set up I gave you basically cares about nothing except indom mirror and Noah Biscuit tank

[quartz rover]

Sweet, when does mermaid proc her stun again? 2.5 or something?

[placid bloom]

it should win basically everything else

198 frames

[shell hazel]

yeah just after

[hollow lagoon]

i did win this season ye

[quartz rover]

This weak piece of dog biscuits has so little hp

[placid bloom]

problem is if you are too successful people will copy your Def

like how my rookie copied mine after they can't beat it

[hollow lagoon]

black lines man just want them damn rolls but how tf does people have 4 ele 4 atk on things when i settle with rolling off hitrate/charge speed is beyond me, even crit lines is good enough in my eyes

[placid bloom]

so maybe better not to show them what you're swinging with

[quartz rover]

So should I not use the forbidden cook

[shell hazel]

losing or winning in rookie doesn't really mean anything

[quartz rover]

Worst case scenario you just vesti clear

[umbral belfry]

grats!

[shell hazel]

if you want to be annoying just hit your rookie hits before reset

[hollow lagoon]

[swift mango]

From what I see, Vesti wipe is smol, and she isn't doing much dmg before of Full burst, unless she had lots of OL ATK line. Even then I don't see her as much of a threat as the whale like Hime and Keripo made her out to be.

[umbral belfry]

putting me and keripo in the same sentence is crazy work LOL

[quartz rover]

That's just dumb, what sauce did you introduce to me

[swift mango]

[quartz rover]

LOL

[umbral belfry]

oh I thought you meant money spending

I was about to say 😭

[scarlet adder]

my bracket is cursed i think all my top 3 guys will get maximum or less than 2700 so the same as me in 4th xD, because of all extra fights

[umbral belfry]

it isn't vesti's burst dmg that makes her how she is now, it's before/after that. after burst she hits all 5 people. hence imo she's good to me.

any team that can beat nero stall, quite easily at that, is good imo but that's just my opinion

[shell hazel]

there has to be 1/2/3 though, someone will have enough points

even if swapping positions around a lot

[quartz rover]

Hey no fair

[scarlet adder]

you lost to sdoro

[placid bloom]

I told you it loses to Biscuit tank

[quartz rover]

Have you ever attacked with your life on the line

[placid bloom]

why you swinging into Biscuit tank p1

[quartz rover]

Bc im dumb

[shell hazel]

[scarlet adder]

sbs don't need taunt? just defende p1 and biscuit?

[placid bloom]

well it needs taunt to guarantee

but that doesn't even look like correct indom to me

[quartz rover]

Life's good

[placid bloom]

Jackal tanking 9m damage

seem you need to work on a lot before you can even use that team

SBS and Helm one-shot by opponent Helm through linked HP with indom Jackal

[scarlet adder]

yay

[quartz rover]

My team is funny bc jackal gets stunned right before burst 1 vs siren so rh does it

[shell hazel]

@umbral crown

[half grail]

So VesTac better than SBS for pvp?

[shell hazel]

currently yes seems so

[half grail]

I’m still struggling where to place her I was told in a 2rl team

Cooking too limited for me rn wish I had Rumani too for how long

[shell hazel]

jackal | vesti | flex | blanc | flex

but flex p3 can't be b2

need blanc to burst

in rookie you can run stuff like helmT as one of the flex for 2RL

[half grail]

I see that’s great I’ll try it out

[swift mango]

She need at least 2 ammo line and doesn't have much self buff so would be more effective with buffer than not.

[half grail]

Oh that’s one big thing I didn’t know thank you

[scarlet adder]

without ol gear vesti bad?

[half grail]

Gonna OL her now

[shell hazel]

I mean most dps kind of suck without OL gear tbh

[scarlet adder]

if she needs ol then i definitely won't pull for her and maybe pull from standard

[half grail]

I’ll slot her in once I max her the best I can

[swift mango]

Cindy should wipe even without ol.

[umbral crown]

Im.in tv

[shell hazel]

[scarlet adder]

even scar with trina?

[shell hazel]

I mean you basically want to OL your dps for them to actually be reliably good

no one pulls units because they're good without gear lines

[umbral crown]

S1 must be 10, thata where you missing damage red

[scarlet adder]

yeah but i am sync 200 no one has resources yet xD

[swift mango]

Except Cindy

[umbral crown]

I.mean heals for defenders

[delicate matrix]

is there a blanc-biscuit team for vesti?

[umbral crown]

Let me check

[ionic rose]

I replaced my fully invested sbs with a basic besti with no ol gears and besto did more damage against a tank team
...

[shell hazel]

but it's not like people are "let's pull cindy because she doesn't need OL" lol

I imagine all of us here with cindy have given her OL

[half grail]

Should I use Bast or Resil for VesTac?

[shell hazel]

her ammo thing is weird it seems to be in batches of 4 not sure on the maths of bastion

[quartz rover]

Am I missing any pvp nikke in here?

[half grail]

I’ll throw in Resil then to be safe

[scarlet adder]

i lose this ?

[shell hazel]

yes

how will you defend for 10 seconds against vesti?

[scarlet adder]

i burst faster i think

if cindy snipes i think i can win

[shell hazel]

ok but vesti hits everyone and is immune for 10 seconds

with RH buff

[scarlet adder]

like i said i would need to snipe

[shell hazel]

actually what are they doing

why is SBS in p1 😄

[swift mango]

If you have only 1 ammo, use bastiom

[scarlet adder]

dunno man 😄 i think cp pad

[shell hazel]

vesti is the bait here this is a dumb team

this is just SBS indom

but you still lack def and cindy nuke has travel time

[ionic rose]

No ur good for now, i find tetra has so majority of the pvp nikkes, good thing i can put besti on the elysion list later

[quartz rover]

Yeah its odd tetra has the pvp nikke when the gold rush nikke are elysion

[shell hazel]

you want biscuit on your team to survive that

I don't think I'd run siren you just stun SBS and then vesti will be the one who bursts

[scarlet adder]

ehh i could rumani biscuit ehhh

[worldly osprey]

u mean i miss 1.22% reduce dmg of caster's atk really

[scarlet adder]

let me try to cook

[shell hazel]

noise noah cindy biscuit rumani should work

[scarlet adder]

don't have noise noah

[shell hazel]

[scarlet adder]

ruamni will work

he put sbs p1

[quartz rover]

Stacked in more than one way

[umbral crown]

Had nero in my mind instead quiry, my bad but mine is max skill

[worldly osprey]

35% atk even my dps just reach that

[worldly osprey]

my atk % on top cp im bricked in atk% and ele

[scarlet adder]

shit cp def is killing me ehhh i guess i don't care it is just rookie

i need to open cases soon

[shell hazel]

these two probably my best

lots of rocks chomped

and not perfect

[ionic rose]

[hollow lagoon]

better than mine

[ionic rose]

My Rapipi had 39k in coop i was embarassed

[hollow lagoon]

mine' the 45k ish range

[worldly osprey]

at first i built nero and moran with atk ele and ammo, then people told me to switch to def build yeah my nero have 43% def

[hybrid fox]

Actually lost this lol

[umbral crown]

my tops cp kinda different from everyones

[shell hazel]

your helm CS looks way too low

[umbral crown]

Indeed

Not luck getting cs but got 2 black atk lines instead

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

Cp stonks

[hollow lagoon]

my rapi

[shell hazel]

[umbral crown]

[placid bloom]

[umbral crown]

Rapi in your sp defense?

[hollow lagoon]

cinderella

who is argueablly my best rolled character

man why does rock rng hate me

[shell hazel]

I think he could run anything in his SP defence and not have a problem 😄

[umbral crown]

Yeah

[hollow lagoon]

nah i cant run blues

[ionic rose]

Quiry is now meta!

[placid bloom]

it's not that you can't, it's that you haven't tried

[hollow lagoon]

nah i tried

[placid bloom]

you are failing your P23's hopes and dreams

[hollow lagoon]

cp plummet enoug they can fight me on even cp if not slightly loweer on my part

i used p23 in some ca seasons b4

[tropic summit]

double threat you might actually wanna ensure SBS is the main burst and run ultra stall with sustain

noah biscuit helmt laplace noise

[shell hazel]

they don't have noah

as we found out 😛

[tropic summit]

next best candidate is moran then

[scarlet adder]

this is the best i can do so i give up

maybe if i open cases i can over come cp deficit but wont do it

[shell hazel]

Rail!

[tropic summit]

yeah good luck tanking that

[scarlet adder]

rumani would taunt and tank it

[shell hazel]

push campaign then look at opening cases after you get stuck

this rookie stuff doesn't matter anyway

[scarlet adder]

yeah thats why i give up for now 😄

[hollow lagoon]

the question is why save cases

[shell hazel]

if you're not stuck no need to open

depends how stuck you get

more stages, more outpost levels = better crates

[hollow lagoon]

should be in a state of stuck 90% + of the time

[shell hazel]

some people just lazy with campaign or slacking 😄

for me yep hard stuck

[scarlet adder]

yeahh i am slacking recentyl

[hollow lagoon]

this sync 300 in my union has been 300 for the past month

i'm feeling the kick itch

[scarlet adder]

i am close to +1 core dust per hour like 5 fights

[shell hazel]

yeah at least get that

but ultimately at some points I do open crates

[scarlet adder]

now i think about sr 15 her 😄 ...

feel like bad choice

[shell hazel]

not really worth tbh

I kind of regret building my alice

[scarlet adder]

she is good for tetra tower

[shell hazel]

especially if you have other units to build

[scarlet adder]

yeahh i don't

unless i sr15 jackal but it wont help me in campaign

and alice might

[shell hazel]

no but alice I don't really use there either

if you got the meta pilgrim comps you won't use her

[scarlet adder]

yeahhh i don't have one

maybe if i got helm to phase 3 i could get like mmast

but still like 10 days for helm phase 3

[swift mango]

Could win just fine. If you could burst that is.

Move biscuit to p4 or something.

[scarlet adder]

cp deficit

[shell hazel]

yeah it is lol

only just but it is

[scarlet adder]

it is rookie it is fine

[swift mango]

That's why I told you to move biscuit to p4.

If they survived until burst you could pray they missed Indom.

[scarlet adder]

yeahh not gonna risk it i prefer safe win for challenges

[hollow lagoon]

i did for a easier time on tetra tower 340

which is mother whale

if i didnt i couldnet break core intime

[scarlet adder]

nahh my resources aren't that great

[swift mango]

Funny how when S.Anis finally came back she got powercrept in Arena by Vesti.

[scarlet adder]

cindy was super painful to sr15

[swift mango]

Basically ASS, SBS, Ein and ReiT, the irregular B3 in Arena all replaced by a new standard unit, Vesti.

[shell hazel]

and maybe Emi to some degree lol (though I think running both is strong)

[scarlet adder]

i wonder how much bug is carrying her

[shell hazel]

we don't think there is any bug with her

[scarlet adder]

i heard double proc

[shell hazel]

not for her, for others yes

that was the last I saw anyway

[scarlet adder]

whaaa she doesnt have it 😮

[shell hazel]

it's not impacting everyone

[swift mango]

Emi has high gen for a main dos burst 3. While you could technically use Vesti like Emi, we already technically used S.Anis like Emi before.

She only replace S.Anis

[scarlet adder]

still i will be dumb/naive and try to get her from ordinary 😄 elysion wishlist suck anyway

[shell hazel]

well as someone said earlier, even should you fail there, we got NY selector

so 3 months from now you can get her there at the worst

[scarlet adder]

whatt? what is NY selector? you buy it for millage?

like get any new standard unit out of it or something?

[tropic summit]

what are you gonna do when emi gets powercrept, jump from the window?

[shell hazel]

yes any standard unit

[tropic summit]

you already can't go to the toilet without emilia

[shell hazel]

that was released when it comes out

ny selector is a step up banner thing where you put gems in and after spending X you get a selector for standard units

[swift mango]

Emi with cs25% technically can't be powercrept for burst gen.

[tropic summit]

your biscuit s2 stacks won't last long enough, you get to eat some of SBS DPS on double buff

[scarlet adder]

put gems into what?

[tropic summit]

yet*

[shell hazel]

banner thing

[swift mango]

We need to have like 5 Jackal and 5 helmT to power creep her.

[shell hazel]

Rail who should I put on SPA defence?

[tropic summit]

what in the world did you do to noah

[swift mango]

Pour milk onto her thighs everyday?

[umbral crown]

I... do not know, she just kwpt getting stonks, black and blue lines

[fathom rock]

Supports just get higher value lines from my experience

[tropic summit]

heartha seems like a solid choice, especially after some light jogging

[swift mango]

Darn, I should be muted for 2 hours if I post sth like this.

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-sus-the-rock-the-rock-meme-the-rock-fortnite-sussy-rock-gif-24909395

[fathom rock]

All fun and games till the mods walk in

[tropic summit]

people sweat after running for a while

[tropic summit]

you never saw a girl sweat after physical activity?

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

[fathom rock]

Irl no but still this looks like something mods would delete

[tropic summit]

no you just need to stop thinking about emilia 24/7

[tropic summit]

but why, what's the reason for delete

[swift mango]

Nothing at all.

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

this one sweats too and it's from the game, pg13 family friendly

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1177116972593463316/1401879862050033674/image.png?ex=68a99cdc&is=68a84b5c&hm=5cb2805b1d7a8abbe25d88bc0ae24c8d970e4c135216ab6219a13ff9231572e2&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[gritty ridge]

Is it impossible to prevent falling behind in cp?

[fathom rock]

It's not just roll for more cp and level up faster

[shell hazel]

ryokai

[tropic summit]

don't be an hypocrite

[gritty ridge]

Im by far the furthest in campaign

[tropic summit]

yes and you not gonna like the answer

[gritty ridge]

Im pretty sure none of them are past behemoth

[placid bloom]

this is why I told you to spend gems on wipeout instead of on swings

[gritty ridge]

While im on snake

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/money-gif-22552264

[fathom rock]

Introducing brand new tech called 💳

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/lucky-star-akira-kogami-credit-card-gif-17907500789879147502

[placid bloom]

you spend gems on swings you get no benefit

you spend gems on wipeout it adds up

[gritty ridge]

I dont spend on attacks anymore

I dont have to

[shell hazel]

good

[tropic summit]

wipe out regularly, buy all the advantage you can from the shop and sell your soul to one of the worst money models in gacha

[fathom rock]

I am considering a 4th daily wipeout

[tropic summit]

you'll win at something and lose at something else

[quick lake]

anybody wanna sponsor 40 rock pack

[shell hazel]

3-4 wipe outs if you can afford is worth but you do get less gems to do other stuff with

the daily gem pack helps a lot with the +100, as it's basically covering it lol

[placid bloom]

anyone want to sponsor C7 Vesti

[shell hazel]

you got it

retro how did NEET sponsor your gem pack? 😄

[tropic summit]

or, listen to this, don't sponsor nikke so SU actually realize their community is tired of being enslaved?

who am i kidding, those butts and boobas won't buy themselves

[shell hazel]

well on the other side, if you do well in pvp you get gems you can use on wipe outs

[gritty ridge]

So should I Wipeout 3 times a day?

[shell hazel]

I sort of see that as well

[shell hazel]

free + 50 + 70 isn't terrible for staying ahead of the curve a bit

[quick lake]

better to reroll dispatch i think

[tropic summit]

you should have common sense and stop caring, whels will whel, don't play their game

[shell hazel]

free + 50 + 70 + 100 is a bit more costly to handle especially if you don't spend

[gritty ridge]

I meant 3 including the free one

[shell hazel]

as f2p no I don't rec the 4 wipe outs inc free one

are you f2p?

[tropic summit]

you gotta wipeout, do it at least when you're near the last released chapters on HM

that's when you can actually optimize

[quick lake]

i did triple wipeouts for like a month. gem really stagnant

[placid bloom]

PvE main is better anyway, you get to stare at butts when you play. PvP just stare at chibi

[shell hazel]

he's right 🙂

[gritty ridge]

No

[shell hazel]

what do you usually buy?

[gritty ridge]

Skins

And pulls

[shell hazel]

I'd say the first thing to buy if you're a spender is the $5 daily +100 gems

[swift mango]

Do it after you clear MC normal is a good point.

So rush there @anyone whoasked

[shell hazel]

it's cheap, and lets you wipe out a little for no real cost beyond that

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/sanji-cooking-bro-is-cooking-let-him-cook-gif-10612455210859277218

[scarlet adder]

and this is sweat demon

[shell hazel]

I don't hate the $15 resource pack for core dust crates as it's 300 hours of core dust for $15 as well

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[shell hazel]

over the course of a month

it's better than any of the normal packs that include core dust anyway

all the packs are bait Rail you know this D:

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/whale-whale-sharks-gif-26141113

[shell hazel]

I can afford it, let em have my dollars hah

[tropic summit]

i'd stop any man wasting their money on poison

then it's their choice to ignore it

especially when that poison helps the one making the poison in the first place, which i despise

[shell hazel]

time is money for some I think, time is lots of money for some others

[fathom rock]

Therefore that's why I won't buy pc

[shell hazel]

you don't need PC retro you'd be too powerful

[tropic summit]

you're not buying a PC because you're poor and you don't get yourself a sugar mommy

with your ability with your fingers you could get a sugar mommy or two

[fathom rock]

[tropic summit]

[swift mango]

If you wiped out, you need to be consistent. 50 a day since when you are low number if better than 220 to catch up when you re higher level

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/true-correct-dwight-schrute-rainn-wilson-right-gif-23822659

[tropic summit]

how many levels are we talking about here in 1 year

you'll soon realize how pointless it is

[shell hazel]

a wipe out gives me 2 hours of core dust

174

[fathom rock]

It gives everyone 2 hours

[shell hazel]

if I do that 4 times per day it's 696 but everyone gets a free one

[tropic summit]

meaning a f2p doing wipeout 50 while the other whel does several will still fall behind

meaningless

[swift mango]

Enough to make a difference over those who don't. so do 50 as soon as you have cleared a bottleneck is good. It helped you clear faster in the long run also.

[shell hazel]

let's subtract the free equivalent, it's 522 core dust per day more than a f2p for 170 gems

[tropic summit]

what difference? still gaining the same gems i would if i could afford beating the top rank, because the top would just gem anyway

[shell hazel]

it's equivalent to 28 gems for an hour of core dust

at 4 wipe outs

[tropic summit]

to make a difference you'd need enough to gap and to have enough to gap a whel, you already know where it is going

[fathom rock]

I'd willingly pay for extra 12 levels a year (mainly cuz i have surplus of gems)

[swift mango]

You won't be the same after F2P like me passed you by 40 level after a few years

[shell hazel]

at only the +50 mark it's more efficient

[quick lake]

At the current banner rate, gems are not safe

[shell hazel]

25 gems per hour of cd

[tropic summit]

wanna compare the gems and how bricked you are compared to me? where are you gonna get the gems to ensure rolling meta and still wiping out?

i've a stock to ensure guarantee rolls and potentially wiping out for maximun benefit once i've cleared most HM

[swift mango]

I'm casual so I don't care about meta.

[tropic summit]

oh please, you just chickening out now

[fathom rock]

Same argument applies to your lvl

[swift mango]

See my user name.

[tropic summit]

casuals definitely do not win several CA, ensure top SP arena rankings and are decently progressing

in fact you'd be disrespectful to many

you're NOT a casual atm.

[swift mango]

Higher CP, higher synch, lower deficit campaign but still more level, the true casual experience.

[tropic summit]

yeah totally...

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

lemme find that meme

[fathom rock]

A true casual just plays to have fun and not have this convo to begin with

[tropic summit]

a true casual starts up a good game and has fun

already just being close to nikke is a sign of bad health

[fathom rock]

Bro would level up for easier campaign but won't invest meta for easier campaign

[gritty ridge]

I might buy the 100 gems a day pack

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/go-out-seishun-buta-yarou-anime-get-out-of-here-get-out-gif-15896078

[tropic summit]

yeah this conversation went right on top of your head uh

[shell hazel]

it's the best value thing if you're a spender

[swift mango]

Invested in meta means not invested in whichever I wanted, so not casual.

[shell hazel]

I get your pov rail I do, but if you're spending anyway and not doing that, it's best to start doing it 😄

[tropic summit]

no, the best is to not support a scam

[tropic summit]

and we shouldn't suggest to

you can suggest the optminal spending method, but you shouldn't suggest to spend

[shell hazel]

I don't think spending is mandatory to do well in the game, and chasing whales is impossible

[tropic summit]

if the suggestion to not spend fails, then it's a different matter

[shell hazel]

no that is fair

[swift mango]

Only a casual would OL someone like SR Anchor you know?

[shell hazel]

if you're spending then you're better off with $5 gem pack per day than basically anything else

[gritty ridge]

I have disposable income, let me spend it on the things I like

[shell hazel]

but just have to realise that a lot of people waste more money than you can

[tropic summit]

the way i see it, gradually:

1. don't spend
2. oh you really sure you wanna spend? don't spend, it's not worth it
3. ok you took the bait and want to spend, here's the optimal spending at least, don't get baited
4. oh ok you wanna spend needlessly, here's all the benefits

[tropic summit]

it's a race you cannot win or rather would be self-destructive for both the runner and the chaser

[fathom rock]

🍿

[shell hazel]

you can't outspend whales there is no point trying

[tropic summit]

ROUND 1
X spends 5$ to get advantages
Y is bothered because he's losing due to spending, starts spending

ROUND 2
X spends now 10$ to get more advantages
Y oh damn gotta spend harder too, starts spending more

ROUND 3
repeat

[glad meteor]

Entertainmentoo

[shell hazel]

that is the psychology of the gamba

[fathom rock]

Y is bothered so leaves the gamemode

[quick lake]

To each their own

[shell hazel]

they have entire systems designed around getting you to spend money to get more stamina or to achieve more

[placid bloom]

just spend $100k and put the plebs in their place let them know who they messing with

[tropic summit]

meanwhile SU

[swift mango]

It's pretty much a habit at this point. Open game, click on the outpost. Then click 3 wipe out and start doing other things.

I would consider reducing it to 50. To be more casual.

[tropic summit]

that'd be actually the smartest decision

[fathom rock]

Why my global is sr exclusive now that.5% will feel great

[tropic summit]

they literally advertise ingame to make you spend money at every threshold (tower and campaign)

[shell hazel]

yes, pop up ad

[fathom rock]

Gacha game is a buisness not a game what's new

[tropic summit]

i thought you were a casual, so you're also a liar

[swift mango]

A casual liar.

[tropic summit]

this only took 10 minutes

i'm gonna order a pizza

[swift mango]

Yes, I don't really care about meta for now.

[fathom rock]

Yall can't compare to me the true brick master at 438 despite playing 1-2 more months

[tropic summit]

go hug your emilia harder

silly pro gamur

[gritty ridge]

Theres a reason I buy pulls and skins rather than dust

[shell hazel]

truly I do know what you mean - am not blind to the tactics at all, and spending anything is generally a waste of money

but I got some money to waste

[tropic summit]

who needs skins, give me more of these

[placid bloom]

I have money to waste, just not on this game

[tropic summit]

look at those ass||ets||

[fathom rock]

Whaling on this game for pvp is like a subscription to be able to play ca that's how I see it

[shell hazel]

I don't need/want for much else at this poiht

[quick lake]

new gachas

[shell hazel]

it's one reason I do think they should extend CA to top 10

[tropic summit]

you almost make it sound like CA is a reward

[fathom rock]

When ca is no longer beta maybe

[swift mango]

@worldly osprey show him your 3 times CA winning without Emi in a bracket with Emi.

[shell hazel]

as I think there are lots of players there who should be able to compete. and good F2P can compete in top 10

even if whales in top spots

[fathom rock]

Playing ca is the reward here, when you buy a game it is to play it for fun tho if dlc is more accurate here

[tropic summit]

he doesn't need to, you're the one who's very fixed on emilia, i'm being just fine without her but you gotta mention her everyday

[shell hazel]

sure you can extend that top 10 endlessly but we have to draw a line somewhere, top 4 I think is too exclusive

[tropic summit]

may aswell rename yourself to emilia's pet

[swift mango]

I want him to motivate you.

[tropic summit]

i told you b4, i don't give a flying f*k about CA, that mode is worthless to me

[fathom rock]

Motivate to spend?

[gritty ridge]

Im gonna win CA with bready indom

[shell hazel]

I believe it 🙂

[tropic summit]

they need to make a mode that actually involves the players

[fathom rock]

Then there is bigboi

[swift mango]

Okay, then jump down to c5 instead of holding C4.

[shell hazel]

this gets +1 from me and I don't know if they see the feedback we fill in as I did mention this on one of them

[gritty ridge]

[fathom rock]

Join me and become sr gamer, in a gamemode that uses actual skill

[gritty ridge]

Rail being naughty

[tropic summit]

i'm not letting those chinnits c**ts ch4, they can hug ch5 and ch6 for as long as i can prevent it even against teaming

they lack any kind of honor, so i'll make sure to repay their effort equally

[shell hazel]

I'm impressed with the way you still beat the chinnits tbh 😄

[tropic summit]

it's not even CA, it's to prevent them

i'll gate it until they act like normal people

[shell hazel]

i'll be honest

I don't think they ever will

[fathom rock]

Normal peep don't play nikke so forever it is

[tropic summit]

they won't, if you saw what they put in their bio it's meaningless

one of them is probably younger than 12, the other is probably a working/uni adult

[shell hazel]

they either quit or eventually they whale out of your reach - that +60 becomes +80

[swift mango]

Can your skill get you 3% with zero Ele on everyone?

[tropic summit]

one of them is a dolphin but seems to invest poorly, the other is just typical sweaty 24/7 online

[fathom rock]

No but it greatly affects the outcome

[tropic summit]

hitting at 4AM in china already tells you what kind of person they are

[shell hazel]

still they do lose to you and that is amusing to me, but hard work

[swift mango]

[tropic summit]

they still beat over 20 defense variations although

[shell hazel]

my whale is weird

[tropic summit]

keep hitting the wall, at some point it breaks

[placid bloom]

I got 3% on holo Kraken and I basically only have 2 half built water units everything else is neutral dmg

[shell hazel]

they are offline a lot but when they're online it's perpetual

[fathom rock]

I just do a sane check on pvp once every 2h or so

[swift mango]

Maybe they are Americu that use CN name.

[fathom rock]

And won't let it ruin my sleep lol

[shell hazel]

though I think I can get SPA 1 by default this season by simply having it 2/3rds of the time

[tropic summit]

that's still better than being online every 30 minutes i guess

[tropic summit]

no, bio has always been chinese, their blabla is chinese, their comments are chinese... i really doubt that's the case

[swift mango]

I mean, you have 2. That's a lot comparing to some people in this water economy.

[shell hazel]

my whale at least seems to be asleep at reset I just yoink it before then

[fathom rock]

Checking takes less than 1 min for me to care about that

[shell hazel]

I think they'll keep whaling to hold it though, it's up to them I won't try to compete with big spending

I agree on that - it's a fools game

[tropic summit]

in the past season what ranks you held somewat comfortably so far?

[fathom rock]

I got 3% with 70 ele on helm and sdoro and rest neutral was nice

[fathom rock]

Global : 🚮
Na : 2.7k gem

[brazen ledge]

Does someone know how fast is vesti’s burst gen with 4 cs ?

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/bravo-gif-gif-8524601943548603280

[tropic summit]

so, 2k? that's still good enough

[placid bloom]

mine is worse than yours

[brazen ledge]

And Whos bugged ? Jackal or vesti ?

[shell hazel]

jackal

[brazen ledge]

Yeah that’s what I thought.

[fathom rock]

That's cool I did over reach by 200m maybe would be better if I had maiduo and rest of sg

[placid bloom]

tbh I would have long been 3% if I was global, NA too sweat

[tropic summit]

that's true, although skill... it would if it wasn't gated to anyone who didn't start day 1 because invest is skewed... make it more balanced and group people on at least same month of account creation and we can talk

[shell hazel]

yeah no Judas-chan

that's like his 5th failed attack this season I think

[fathom rock]

You can get above 1% consistently and 200 if you invest specific elements regardless of acc creation date will just take some time

[brazen ledge]

So vesti is not bugged right ?

[shell hazel]

as I understand it - no

[brazen ledge]

Ok

[limber patrol]

how good vesti burst gen?

[shell hazel]

I don't want to commit to that just all the comments here

[tropic summit]

i don't want 1%, i want the chance to hit the top without being screwed over because i started 1 year later or more

[brazen ledge]

Trying to explain to someone else that she isn’t.. the guy doesn’t want to understand

[shell hazel]

eh is it worth it?

[placid bloom]

I mean I almost got knocked out since I ended at 2.95% really cutting it close

[shell hazel]

let them be wrong if they want 😄

[fathom rock]

Like top 50?

[placid bloom]

maybe I don't 3% Ziz

fire too sweaty

[glad meteor]

that’s what i was thinking

[tropic summit]

ye that's a start, put people in the same group of account creation time and you can finally promote skill over invest diffing due to time

[shell hazel]

new units will always power creep old, I don't necessarily think that older players always have an advantage here

[brazen ledge]

For me it is, I want to be right.

[fathom rock]

I'm so gonna 5% na this time
But global 0.5% surely

[swift mango]

you are global. 3% in global is about 5% in SEA. You have good chance.

[shell hazel]

I would prefer to compete on SR with people nearer my account age though

[glad meteor]

I mid Alice and vesti, mid eva 1, and no invest in nier.

[tropic summit]

older players have the likely chance to have a ton more resources saved up than newer players who're constantly having to catch up Hippo, that argument doesn't stand

[fathom rock]

200 in sea is also 0.7%- 0.5% in global

[shell hazel]

older players have an advantage sure but I think you're good at min/maxing and can catch up some

[limber patrol]

is vesti burst gen good?
and what teams for her?

[shell hazel]

if you weren't you wouldn't be beating the chinnits in SPA despite them ganging up on you or having huge level advantages

[fathom rock]

Decent but delayed, team for her just make her 2rl and pair with indom or noah + biscuit

[brazen ledge]

I like to compete with myself.

[placid bloom]

catching up is one part, old players can have skill issue too

if they have skill issue they will fall behind

[shell hazel]

I'm losing on that lol

[tropic summit]

no hippo that's completely different

[swift mango]

Guy in my old union Section started around your time could get to 3% in SEA now. You will be fine if you go pure PvE.

[tropic summit]

we talking about core and rocks invest, min/maxing ele/atk/ammo

[shell hazel]

just saying I think you have a good eye for what to invest into to compete, you can't win in a day but it's a marathon not a sprint

[tropic summit]

i don't need 3% as i said before

equal chances to hit high ranks is only possible if you're not dealing with years difference of invest

[brazen ledge]

Atm I wanna get 4 ele on Cindy as stop investing in elec team forever.

[tropic summit]

not for top 50 hippo

[shell hazel]

top 50 also core 7 everyone probably

[placid bloom]

I will invest Cinderella after this SR

[tropic summit]

let alone the p2p difference, you can't compete with 1 year gap allowed between players

[fathom rock]

Top 50 all whales unless its sea

[shell hazel]

there is a whale of a diff there

I won't compete for top 50 ever it just doesn't seem worth it, if I find myself there I have taken a wrong turn

[tropic summit]

point is, you'd see rankings be WAY different if it was based on account creation date and not whole server

[limber patrol]

top 3% in solo raid should give 6k gems so it's as worthy as pvp

[placid bloom]

just win the lottery

[brazen ledge]

F2P can you realistically get top 200 ?

[shell hazel]

I dunno if top 3% should be that high but I think it could do with being a bit better at 1%

[tropic summit]

@fathom rock did you ever so far?

[fathom rock]

Global? Maybe if you pivot into 1 element or 2

[shell hazel]

especially as solo raid is rarer

[tropic summit]

that's the answer

[placid bloom]

top 200 every element probably not doable

if you are f2p

[shell hazel]

it does seem like pvp maxis do better on gem income than SR maxis

[tropic summit]

a skilled player like retro, with year+ gap, can't do it, go figure anyone else

[fathom rock]

It's doable in sea

[tropic summit]

and it's already restricting the pool to malders

[brazen ledge]

PvP is just better for gems that’s abt it.

[placid bloom]

if you focus only water or wind you can probably top 200 as f2p because everyone else's water is shit

[tropic summit]

like retro bald mald level

[shell hazel]

I can confirm

rail go water dps main 😄

[fathom rock]

I'm not bald

[brazen ledge]

Im focused on SR and still get more from pvp.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-squirtle-water-splash-gif-8067669

[tropic summit]

lemme see... helm and... helm... and helm... and... helm?

[limber patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/fr-lie-gif-9063740662564569899

[shell hazel]

all the helm variants

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/roy-anime-girl-bald-shine-shoe-shine-gif-806929036088015331

[placid bloom]

you gotta be the XGuillo enjoyer that nobody else is

[shell hazel]

ok that is

https://tenor.com/view/getout-gif-16327023334064302194

[fathom rock]

Helm sdoro selegg xlud bready+maids qeq and maybe xguilo if you wanna go the extra mile

[shell hazel]

Rail when is more dragon maid? 🙁

[placid bloom]

Dragonmaid

[tropic summit]

haha, i've 2 of them

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-dragon-nonsense-nonsense-yapping-gif-3856519980225960758

[shell hazel]

I think reality is that whales have advantage in all modes 😛

the end

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-thank-you-superhero-super-hero-gif-9900289

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-oh-yeah-yodeling-gif-4295637337024128969

[fathom rock]

That's how gacha is meant to be very obvious

[swift mango]

Helm, Doro, Doro, Egg, Chuunibou, Thief, Thief, Fat chef.

[covert lintel]

[shell hazel]

true we do have the doros

water stonks are up

[limber patrol]

what teams it can't beat?
also I can't use indom at all

[tropic summit]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-stare-laid-back-camp-gif-12003923

[tropic summit]

fat wh- oh.

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/kamina-gurren-lagann-anime-grin-gif-13138954

[fathom rock]

I only ever seen indom vesti losing to rossana but I'm sure there is more
Where your blanc at

[limber patrol]

how much charge speed does vesti want

[swift mango]

You need summer helm too so 2 helm. wait maybe not my bad.

[fathom rock]

The more the merrier

[limber patrol]

it should have certain speed points......

[tropic summit]

buy her for me and sure will

[fathom rock]

You can try aim for 15/18/20

[forest zodiac]

what should I do here?
T3 probably fine as is but not sure about siren in t1? should I put helm or biscuit in p1?

[tropic summit]

if enemy T3 has 11%CS team, siren won't stun B2 in time

only you know that as it's your opponent although

T1 is facing the same thing, you're 2RL, but if your team isn't hitting the CS% threshold, that noah is stunned and you're bursting with biscuit

[forest zodiac]

ewww

[fathom rock]

T3 have cs or not, scar should nuke before noah with sanis feed

[tropic summit]

if it's a 2.5RL scar is no longer lethal, although on double buff and if not bricked it should still be

point is, this guy needs to tell us enemy CS%

[fathom rock]

Why are we avoiding T2 tho

[tropic summit]

either way he can run it safe by facing T1 and T2

[fathom rock]

T1 literally free win if facing t2

[glad meteor]

That team doesn’t look 2rl

[fathom rock]

That's cuz enemy t1 ain't 2rl

[forest zodiac]

but how can I tell what speed he has

[tropic summit]

https://nikke-deck.web.app/

as for CS%, either blabla link or facing them at least once

[forest zodiac]

I did face them

[glad meteor]

[Noah bisc non clip dps helmt x ]

Usully need rumani 2rl if running noise need clip sg/rl 2rl

[tropic summit]

did you record?

[forest zodiac]

yea

[tropic summit]

post matchup and we can probably tell

[hollow lagoon]

ngl some chibis are very nice and cute

[forest zodiac]

wait

what characters I am looking for? I have his older comp

[hollow lagoon]

idk why u abuse n102

[shell hazel]

belorta ssr when?

[hollow lagoon]

to answer your question, you prob should not send n102 to die on her own

[shell hazel]

then we'll be in a belorta timeline

[tropic summit]

w/e let's make it simple

[hollow lagoon]

over spec belorta

[tropic summit]

@forest zodiac what is your noise and noah CS% and is your bay at least 2OL and 4/4/4

[shell hazel]

let's see 🍿

[tropic summit]

it tells us nothing

[forest zodiac]

okay

13% on noah (+2% adj) 10% on noise

[tropic summit]

so it's a noise taunt priority forcable

that's great news

[forest zodiac]

bay 4-4-4 ol2 sr15 (only lb1 no fav item :()

[tropic summit]

noah noise biscuit helmt rumani for T1
scar team for T2
skip T3

you can run adjutant on noah to ensure she's 5% difference from noise

[forest zodiac]

yes, adjutant is on noah

[shell hazel]

plan with t1 is 2RL with noise taunting after b1?

[tropic summit]

she taunts siren at 1RL correct

it assumes helmt burst is at least lvl 7 although

[forest zodiac]

thanks, I hope it is fine if I'll not attack now (and wait just before reset) because I squeezed 100 gems out of him yesterday

[shell hazel]

gotta be like 10/10/10 helmT right zero?

[forest zodiac]

I'm down one attack

[tropic summit]

since SR doll on noah and noise he could even

noise noah cind helmt rumani, as noise is unlikely to die in 2RL against that

can run then vigor or temperance on noise

[forest zodiac]

yeah 10-10-10 helmT

[tropic summit]

sounds doable then

[shell hazel]

thought you may

[forest zodiac]

thanks for helping

[dense roost]

Got a bit cooked here, tried out Blanc/Jackal but might be investment diff on Vesti

there's potential tho

[shell hazel]

was p2 vesti?

[swift mango]

Just indom anything AR, MG, SG at the same speed.

Indom Rapipi should beat indom Vesti just fine.

[shell hazel]

I'd agree with that sentiment, vesti sucks at indom wars

[gritty ridge]

This is kinda ridiculous

Btw i can put vesti with noah right?

[shell hazel]

sure just no indom

I imagine she isn't indom only just seems a generally good way for her to work atm

[rustic sandal]

vesti should work with indom just like other options we've used

i don't think she's particularly worse than emily who was also a popular indom character

[gritty ridge]

Im bready indom only

[shell hazel]

not miranda indom?

imagine miranda indom 😮

[crimson escarp]

3 best pvp teams rn?

[shell hazel]

pick from what you can do from the pins #pvp-arena message

[crimson escarp]

tysm!!

[tropic summit]

you can aim for these on the longer term

#pvp-arena message

[crimson escarp]

Im sorry for bothering you but in this team Noise Centi* Cindy Helm.T xMaiden* (2RL)

what does * stands for?

[twilit bay]

Quantum cube

[crimson escarp]

Oh ok ty!!

[shell hazel]

@quick lake please update your pin to include that * = quantum 7 cube 🙂

onegai!

[twilit bay]

Oh, not just Quantum, at least level 7 Quantum

[shell hazel]

level 7 quantum is the min rec on nikke deck so I kind of assume that

[twilit bay]

Yeah, you're right

[brazen ledge]

Guys does someone have 4 cs vesti already for pvp ? I wanna know how fast is her burst gen like that.

[shell hazel]

may work OK ish at lower levels or need someone else with a lower level cube

[twilit bay]

I think that deck should have that data, the thunderbolt sign means 16 cs, right?

[shell hazel]

it's usually 15% or more

it's not necessarily perfect maybe wait for nikke work to add it

[brazen ledge]

Hm ?

[shell hazel]

bottom left on nikke deck

[twilit bay]

Was talking about this

[shell hazel]

the lightning icon you can check if you have cs of 15% or more

[brazen ledge]

Btw on nikke.gg Shes only S tier in pvp…

And SS in bossing

[signal hull]

idk man, yesterday in rookie I've absolutely DESTROYED that 35-levels-higher-than-me whale with her. Could barely beat him before, sometimes, with luck.

But ofc a lot more testing needed, so far I'm still being pressed in SpA even with Vesti 😢

[rustic sandal]

just s?

nah

she beats too many comps i can see ss and say 'not enough burst gen' for sss

[lunar pawn]

since when is jackal feed gen bugged? or is it actually bugged and not "fixed"?

[lunar pawn]

nice gaslight, keeping newbies unaware

I appreciate not making my bracket any sweatier

[gritty ridge]

I could see it for a single hit burst

Doesnt work for scar tho sadly

Who else has a big single hit that can crit?

[brazen ledge]

S in pvp ? What the actual f ? They forgot 1 S, maybe 2.

[lunar pawn]

do I switch noah and rumani here?

[placid bloom]

we really doing single target dps indom

[coarse lake]

depends on your taunt prio

[gritty ridge]

Snow white kinda needs it

[coarse lake]

snow white comp needs doro to work

[gritty ridge]

5 second charge time

[coarse lake]

doro turns snow white from st nuke to team nuke

[lunar pawn]

noah is faster so noise, but double shotgun on noah

[gritty ridge]

Wait really?

[coarse lake]

then just keep noah p2

[lunar pawn]

mm cindy p5 then?

Idk how much cindy can tank from shotguns

[swift mango]

I think this is very bad tier list.

People are complaining about her bossing capacity. She is dealing too little dmg to single target. More so without parts.

Campaign wise, she helps deal with some mob stage better than Rapipi, the absolutely top meta.

Arena wise, should be at least SS, as she powercrept all the S tier units. Even S.Anis, aside from the case of Biscuit b2.

[coarse lake]

cindy cannot die, rumani should be fine too, you're 2rl, they're 3rl, you got enough time

noise/noah/cindy/helmt/rumani should be fine

[lunar pawn]

cheers

oh right, cindy won't burst at p5, but no indom anyway, but yea

[gritty ridge]

So eon youre saying this is a viable comp

[coarse lake]

something like that yeah

[placid bloom]

Doro damage has a cap

[coarse lake]

snow white, doro, blanc, forgot the other units

yeah doro needs to be high invest

[gritty ridge]

Its based on caster final atk so she'd need atk lines

[coarse lake]

also snow white needs to snipe the same target doro targets, so maybe some positioning to avoid taunt, lemme see if I can dig up the comp

[gritty ridge]

Maybe ill bring snow white indom to ca after I win with bready

[coarse lake]

hmm can't find it, but what you got there is probably fine

[gritty ridge]

Its very weak to rosa tho

[coarse lake]

not this season

just get fed enough to be 1.5rl or faster

[swift mango]

[gritty ridge]

I won't be using it this season is the problem

[coarse lake]

it's a gimmick comp anyway, but it's one of the better gimmick comps

like with jackal and blanc already used, just run vesti instead

[gritty ridge]

What is the selection prio for doro?

[swift mango]

What is this used for? Losing?

Or remiscine of Senator Noise Armstrong time?

[gritty ridge]

It doesnt say in skill

[coarse lake]

I think it's where she's aiming

[gritty ridge]

So p1 unless taunted

The one time biscuit p1 taunt is helpful

[gritty ridge]

Im just back to crafting strange teams and apparently I stumbled upon a team that works according to eon

[swift mango]

It probably worked best when Noise was senator Armstrong.

[gritty ridge]

I cant run it atm anyway

[lunar pawn]

doro and sw in pvp?

[coarse lake]

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X · Mar 30, 2025, 7:35 AM

from the comps I've seen, seems like they keep doro in p3, so do that just in case

[gritty ridge]

Hmm, doro would definitely be linked on that team but if I run it ill put her p3

[brazen ledge]

Ppl used her for infinite overclock so shes very good for mob stages.

[swift mango]

That's what I said.

[brazen ledge]

I'm reaffirming your point ?

[coarse lake]

she lacks st dmg in campaign, I don't see her being used over rapi there for most

[radiant coral]

What skills to invest vesti in for PvP?

[brazen ledge]

Rapi's obv better, but she's still pretty good

[brazen ledge]

7/7/7 enough.

[radiant coral]

Aight bet

[gritty ridge]

Is this too slow for rookie defence?

Ik rn its not

But after bug idk

[tulip acorn]

Hello, i need more info about vesti for pvp, who do i pair her with/lineup?

[coarse lake]

probably fine

should be very high cp too

biggest worry is siren I guess

[brazen ledge]

rookie def keep full SR units, it's not like you get gems or anything just help ppl too

[coarse lake]

but mah ego

[thin abyss]

Guys, any ideas on how to improve my defense team? I can win consistently, but so can my opponents

[tropic summit]

welcome to arena, defense is nearly meaningless at your synchro

[gritty ridge]

Siren just means double buff rh nukes everything

This is what im running rn, rail made it iirc

[coarse lake]

double buff rh without indom

[gritty ridge]

True

[pastel owl]

even moran doesn't work

[ionic horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/patiently-waiting-waiting-waiting-patiently-still-waiting-gif-3590841176648399679

[gritty ridge]

Dont worry, I too use a unit nobody else does

[ionic horizon]

If guillotine has fans, I'm one of them. If she has one fan, I'm one of them. If she has none then I'm probably dead

[pastel owl]

need some help

[coarse lake]

moran fed them too much probably

[pastel owl]

under current bug yup any single mg/smg/ar would feed it to 2RL

[lunar pawn]

Found a funny counter to vesti indom lol

[pastel owl]

but moran suppose to taunt b4 stun

[lunar pawn]

Jackal feed is bugged(?) atm, double gen

[pastel owl]

i'm trying to win this team knowing the bug exist

[lunar pawn]

Use indom yourself then

[pastel owl]

the question was will stun remove taunt and sbs choose another target

[lunar pawn]

Shouldn't, taunt is a status

[grand plaza]

What synchro you mean

[dim escarp]

holy vesti lmao

will prob remove the hitrate for atk

[pastel owl]

the video suggest otherwise

[grand plaza]

@pastel owl maybe yet another bug?

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel

I’ll spy on your whale for u

[shell hazel]

haha thanks I can see em from guild login history, also they rarely seem online during reset anyway as it's prob middle of the night for them

[hollow lagoon]

non zero chance he added me cuz i won

[umbral belfry]

sorry i completely forgot what we were taking about. what's the issue again?

[pastel owl]

about whether sbs would choose another target if a taunter is stunned

[umbral belfry]

did she?

bc on paper moran bisc should win that

esp if helm nukes link before blanc can indom

[shell hazel]

yeah I had the same but accidentally cancelled as I had full slots 😄

[pastel owl]

there's a video above

[shell hazel]

and now we're arch nemesis so there's that

[pastel owl]

the feed bug make things funny

[umbral belfry]

could this be bc of both sbs double proc and jack proc though

try a 2rl noah bisc team

[umbral belfry]

bc on paper that's a hard counter matchup for sbs

yeah she's double proccing lmao

[placid bloom]

seems like it's still hitting Biscuit as lowest Def, 921k 3rd slash proc

[pastel owl]

this opponent team kind of cheese everything

[umbral belfry]

is that bc of siren stunning moran though?

that doesn't sound right

she should still have taunt prio even with stun no?

[pastel owl]

moran bullet went from infinity back to 60/60, idk

[umbral belfry]

sounds like you'd need noah bisc at 2rl

that's something new I learned today then

[pastel owl]

that make it expensive to beat in sp

[umbral belfry]

oh this is sp? ouch

I guess you could just skip this team unless there's another team you can't beat

[glad meteor]

Interesting indeed

So stun disrupts lap+ burst too i expect

[umbral belfry]

[pastel owl]

no one would put laplace p1 burst pratically

[umbral belfry]

that's true

[pastel owl]

but all taunters including noah could fail to this i'm afaird

[umbral belfry]

wouldn't happen to have a nero stall team invested do ya

[placid bloom]

Noah is not the same, she taunts on charge shot too not just burst

[umbral belfry]

2rl noah bisc may be possible

[placid bloom]

that one should be enemy debuff not self buff

[umbral belfry]

as long as she's not p1 to get stunned? that siren is in p3

[glad meteor]

Time to build nero sakura

[umbral belfry]

[pastel owl]

siren sbs meta

[umbral belfry]

hmmmm

[placid bloom]

it shouldn't be that hard to beat

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

I just don't know if you want to spare Jackal for this team or not

[umbral belfry]

ironically 3rl indom might win too

but with sbs and jack bug idk

[pastel owl]

well i can win the other two sp team so its fine, but gd to learn some new mechanics

[glad meteor]

More than 100 dr with jackal and blanc debuff

[placid bloom]

this is also very easy Rosanna angle

[umbral belfry]

[placid bloom]

no B3 = useless team

[umbral belfry]

snipe em

[glad meteor]

Imagine siren burst gen trigger and jackal bug so they’re 1rl and indom faster than rosa

[umbral belfry]

I saw some funny 1rls with my noise jack noah

[glad meteor]

Hax

[pastel owl]

ca is not affected by this bug right?

[umbral belfry]

it is

iirc sbs double proc'd in ca

and my noise jack noah usually never gets 1rl before this, consistently at that

[pastel owl]

small indie company

[glad meteor]

and made her strong enough to beat nero moran with 1 buffer blanc

[umbral belfry]

[hollow lagoon]

wow

3rd ele roll on my rapi hood

[quartz rover]

They're falling for the bait

[ionic horizon]