pvp-arena

[visual willow]

I don't arena, usually just pve

[quick lake]

#pvp-arena message

[visual willow]

I just got vesti in 20 pulls, so maybe I just build her up

[quartz canopy]

34% cp deficit is 70% stat penalty holy

[upper grove]

if you want to counter a noah team w/o biscuit just blanc indom your aoe dps like sanis/sbs/vesti

[unique wagon]

Yes

[visual willow]

sbs/blanc/biscuit/centi/rumani will work?

[gritty ridge]

Thx

So you need 1 rl to avoid b3 siren stun

Thats terrible

[upper grove]

yeah you can also put blanc in p1 because she get's biscuit protection and put sbs p2 for indom. as long as the team matches RL speed with noah team it's fine

once their noah immunity runs out your b3 will kill them all

[radiant coral]

If you believe in yourself hard enough

[quartz canopy]

no sir, I don't believe

[visual willow]

turns out I just switched to a shotgun+naga+rosanna attack team for another slot and it beat their 2nd team. Thanks for the info

[raven plover]

mirror it but use sbs instead of cindy

[visual willow]

their cp is like 15-25k cp higher per team so I usually don't try to mirror teams

[quartz canopy]

15-25k cp is not much

[spare nimbus]

thoughts on this comp? (pretend it is new vesti not old one lol)

[raven plover]

do you have built rose

[spare nimbus]

huh

[raven plover]

rosa*

[spare nimbus]

i have rosanna built yes

[raven plover]

try that first, if fail can try

t2

scar, trina, helm, ros, centi

t3

noise, noah, cindy, biscuit, rumani
or
noise, noah, rumani, siren, cindy

whoever has lowest cs between noise noah, put it p1

I feel like no jack scar needs ros, fighting against besti

[spare nimbus]

huh

[quartz canopy]

what level do you guys have your quantum cube at?

[eager mountain]

8

[quartz canopy]

I'm at lvl 8 and thinking of upgrading adjutant cube instead

[eager mountain]

number of adju needed depends on ur battery's cs

if u have both cubes at 7/8 id say upgrade tempering to 11 instead

[quartz canopy]

would vigor be better instead? since it's used by more nikkes

[eager mountain]

vigor 7 is enough, temper the higher the merrier esp for CA

[quartz canopy]

temper is used by noah, moran and anyone else?

[eager mountain]

anyone that doesnt scale with hp or charge/gen or resil/bastion

the best "general" cube there when theres no specific need

[quartz canopy]

I see

[eager mountain]

like lets say if all ur rl has 15 cs, then aduj is useless on them

cuz next breakline is 18, aduj adds 2% flat (not 2.12)

but if u have few at 13, then all of them can make use of aduj

[quick lake]

7 quantum is fine

[quartz canopy]

alright, thank you

[glad glade]

So Rosa is Vesti’s counter, correct? CA-wise, if Jackal was in the indom Vesti team, wouldn’t she patch up that weakness since Rosa is usually in the SG comp?

[spare nimbus]

would it be better to put helm in p2? so that trina doesnt accidentally die?

or does putting helm in p2 give more feed to the enemy

[quick lake]

There is no vesti counter imo

[jagged mesa]

SU hotfix

[glad meteor]

lol. Bruh. Game balance in this game is non existent

[glad glade]

Potentially the first universal PvP team. The one who transcends the realm of rock paper scissors. I kneel.

[twilit bay]

Now it's rock vs harder rock

[glad glade]

Now watch as SU introduces a gun to break the harder rock

[raven plover]

yes

[twilit bay]

What would the Vesti team be in sp? Can't figure out a way to use her (2RL) and scar jack without sacrificing t3

[umbral belfry]

mayhap it's time to kiss jack goodbye from scar

[twilit bay]

That's so sad

[crystal flicker]

So how goated is Vestac?

I always welcome new comp to try against my 1.6RL

[spare nimbus]

well it seems that i need to build my vesti cause she is suffering from two problems
1: no ammo lines so she doesn't even shoot for half of the burst
2: no attack lines so I almost lost this one lol

at least i have 20%cs lol

[coarse solstice]

Of course she would be expensive. SU please a low investment solid unit

[glad glade]

So she’s expensive as hell. Probably 4x CS, at least 2x ammo, and 4x atk

Pvp wise. Ele would be interchangeable between atk i imagine

[spare nimbus]

unless u do vesti blanc rh centi jackal then ur 100% fine

the thing with this team is that blanc is essentially the only attack buff i get from the whole team

[glad glade]

I was thinking of something like this in a CA perspective, in which Blanc would be the only one buffing besti. In which case, yeah high investment is needed

[spare nimbus]

lol the whale in my rookie somehow lost to my team

im at like a 28% deficit from that guy

[glad glade]

Truly the God emperor of PvP

[crystal flicker]

What's with Jackal Vesti tho

[spare nimbus]

jackal in p1 so i don't get stunned by siren

[glad glade]

Protection and easy indom manipulation probably

[crystal flicker]

Is that worth to sacc Scarlet Jackal

[glad glade]

Considering that Rosa is the one of the only two clear weaknesses to the Vesti indom comp, I’d say its worth the risk

[crystal flicker]

I believe Stall gonna counter Vesti, Scarlet Soda too

[spare nimbus]

these r the teams i am going with for now

[spare nimbus]

since i dont have moran-nero team built

[crystal flicker]

Can you explain what makes Vestac Good?

I only know she has decent gen

[glad glade]

From what I understand, its basically emilia but she shoots 4 times instead of once

[spare nimbus]

she is essentially emilia x sbs

[glad glade]

And it hurts like hell

[spare nimbus]

and a cindy like nuke

[glad glade]

Noah and Biscuit comps can kiss their pretty bums goodbye with her around

[crystal flicker]

So Vesti 2-4 ammo shoot at 0.85RL interval

[glad glade]

No idea in that department. All ik is that she doesn’t shoot fast enough to contribute to the 2RL checkpoint. She has to be in a team thats already 2RL to be a 2RL

[crystal flicker]

Oh I understand

[coarse solstice]

So why can't she be countered?

[crystal flicker]

She can

You can even have 100% CS, but there's still animation delay

[glad glade]

Only counter I can think of is a slower indom team. In SPA, there’s also the Rosa counter since she isn’t stuck to the SG comp

[coarse solstice]

Be hard to get the right speed for slower indom if she kills Blanc before she can burst

[glad glade]

Is it instantaneous like Scar’s burst?

[coarse solstice]

There is a delay not sure the timing though

Also we need to see if she is being affected by the bug

[glad glade]

If its similar to Cindy’s burst, then the opposing blanc should proc if there is a .5 RL delay. But I’m not sure about the timing either

[crystal flicker]

Her multiplier way lower than Cindy

[coarse solstice]

She's putting up similar damage from the videos that were posted.

[dim sapphire]

quite eager to see videos of vesti in ca

dont let them know tho i want to be the only vesti in the bracket

i just want one 1st place dammit

[onyx scaffold]

She is still stunned if you are not 2rl lol

[spare nimbus]

is this not 2rl?

[onyx scaffold]

Disgusting bug

[dim sapphire]

this is the proc bug, jackal getting doubled in burst gen

[quick lake]

Auto attacks and post-burst follow up hit realllyy hard. Literally an SBS direct upgrade, hitting 5 enemies at once. Only needs single buffed

[onyx scaffold]

There is still 1 week left
Everyone will know
The difference will be if you can invest in her properly or not

[glad glade]

How did they screw up like this?

Its kind of impressive tbh

[onyx scaffold]

Seasonal buff

[dim sapphire]

fix one bug, add 10 more

always has been

[glad glade]

its not a bug, its a feature

[crystal flicker]

She's still RNG against Soda 2RL and I don't think she can beat stall

[quartz rover]

Cool seasonal modifiers, on hits are double proc like its a roguelite

[crystal flicker]

The whole VesTac thing is Charge damage that ignores DEF stat

[eternal finch]

Ok I almost maxed out my new Vesti. Already any DEF team comps. I need to reset Quiry one day.

[quick lake]

Standard SPA Defence Teams

Team Builder Sites:
https://nikke-deck.com/en/deck
https://nikke.top/
https://nikke-synergy.com/ (JP)
More teams found below this message

Updated as of 29/05/26

Example SPA Teams
Moran Bay Biscuit Helm.T SWHA (2RL)
Jackal VestiTU TTAnis Blanc Ada/flex DPS (2RL)
Noise Noah Trina Liberalio Rumani (2RL)

Teams below are broadly ordered from best to worse within each archetype

VestiTU Teams
Jackal VestiTU TTAnis Blanc Ada (2RL)
Jackal VestiTU Rumani Blanc ClipRL (2RL)
Jackal VestiTU Rumani Blanc Ada (2RL)
Noah Centi VestiTU Helm.T RH (2RL)
Jackal VestiTU xMaiden Blanc LaplaceT (2.3RL)

Snow White Heavy Armor (SWHA) Teams
Moran Noah Helm SWHA RH (2RL)
Moran Noah Helm SWHA VestiTU (2RL)
Jackal Rumani SWHA Blanc xMaiden/LaplaceT/ClipSG/flex (2RL)
Noise Noah SWHA Ada xMaiden/LaplaceT/ClipSG/flex (2RL)

TTAnis Teams
Nero TTAnis Moran HelmT flex (2RL)
Nero TTAnis Moran HelmT Rapunzel/Quiry/Bay/Mana (2RL)
TTAnis Blanc Biscuit Helm.T SWHA (2RL)
TTAnis Blanc Biscuit Liberalio/VestiTU Rumani (2RL)
Nayuta TTAnis Biscuit Priv.T Helm.T (2.5RL)

Bay-Biscuit Teams
Moran Bay Biscuit Helm.T SWHA (2RL)
Moran Bay Biscuit SWHA Helm.T (2RL)
Noise Bay Biscuit Helm.T SWHA (2RL)
Noise Bay Biscuit SWHA Helm.T (2RL)

Moran-Noah Teams
Moran Noah Helm.T SWHA VestiTU (2RL)
Moran Noah Helm.T SWHA ClipSG/SG (2RL)
Moran Noah Helm.T Lib RH (2.2RL)
Moran Noah SWHA Helm.T Ada (2RL)
Moran Noah VestiTU Helm.T Ada (2RL)
Moran Noah Biscuit SWHA Helm.T/VesiTU/Liberalio (2RL)

Liberalio Teams
Noah Centi Liberalio RH Rumani (2RL)
Jackal Rumani Liberalio Blanc LapT/xMaiden (2RL)
Noah Centi Biscuit Liberalio Rumani (2RL)
Any 2RL Liberalio team works (Both Single or Unbuffed Liberalio works)

.
Noah Teams
Noise Noah VestiTU Ada Rumani (2RL)
Noise Noah SWHA Ada Rumani (2RL)
Noah SBS/SAnis Helm.T Biscuit Rumani (2RL)
Noah Biscuit Emi RH Rumani (2.5RL)
Noah SBS/SAnis RH Biscuit Rumani/Centi (3RL)

Scalet-Trina Teams (Note: Label has rendered Scar Teams less effective in SPA) (Also Scar Trina glass cannon Archetype are kinda bad now)
Rapunzel Scarlet Trina Helm.T/ClipRL xSoline (2RL)
Scar Soda/Siren Trina Helm.T/ClipRL Jackal (2RL)
Scar Rosanna Trina Helm.T/ClipRL Jackal (2RL)
Scar Trina Helm.T Laplace.T/xMaiden/ClipSG Moran (2RL)
Scar Trina* Laplace.T xMaiden Rumani* (2RL)
Rapunzel Scar Trina ClipRL Rumani (2RL)
Scar Trina ClipRL/Helm.T flex flex (2RL)

Nayuta Teams
Nayuta RH ClipRL Helm.T xMaiden/Laplace.T (2RL)
Nayuta SWHA ClipRL RH Laplace.T/xMaiden (2RL)
Nayuta RH flex flex flex (2RL)

Absolute Trio Teams (Very high VestiTU investment required)
Mast EmmaTU VestiTU Rosanna EunhwaTU
EmmaTU flex VestiTU Flora EunhwaTU
EmmaTU VestiTU EunhwaTU flex flex

Blanc Teams
Blanc SWHA Biscuit Helm.T Rumani (2RL)
Blanc SWHA Biscuit Liberalio RUmani (2RL)
Blanc SBS Biscuit Emi/Laplace.T/xMaiden Rumani (3RL)
Blanc SAnis Biscuit Emi/Laplace.T/xMaiden Rumani (3RL)

Cindy Teams (Note: Label has rendered Cindy Teams less effective in SPA)
Noah Centi Cindy Helm.T Noise (2RL)
Noise Centi* Cindy Helm.T xMaiden* (2RL)
Rumani Noah Cindy Biscuit Helm.T (2RL)
Noah Centi Cindy Anis Rumani (2RL)
Noah Biscuit Cindy Emilia Rumani (2.5RL)
Noah Centi Cindy Biscuit Noise/Liter (3RL)

SAnis Teams
Moran Biscuit SAnis Emilia ClipRL (3RL)
Moran Biscuit SAnis Laplace.T/xMaiden ClipRL (3RL)
Moran Biscuit SAnis ClipSG ClipRL (3RL)

Emilia Teams
Blanc Emilia RH Biscuit Helm.T (2.5RL)
Blanc Emilia RH Biscuit Rumani/Centi (3RL)

Traditional Nero-Moran Teans (Do NOT run these teams half-heartedly)
Nero Moran Quiry Rapun Helm.T (2.5RL)
Nero Moran Helm.T Rapun Quiry (2.5RL)
Nero Moran Helm.T Rapun Mana (2.5RL)
Nero Moran Helm.T Rapun flex (2.5-3RL)

.
ClipRL Units = Trina / Jackal / Centi / Noah / Rumani / sr Anis
Unit(s) with similar Burst Gen to ClipRL = Emilia / SWHA / TTAnis

ClipSG Units = Drake / Maiden / Noir / BSoda / Viper / Pepper / sr Neon
Units with similar Burst Gen to ClipSG = Laplace.T / xMaiden / sr Pascal / Liberalio

Basic PvP Team Building (WIP)

Refer to the following links for information
https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-intro/
https://www.prydwen.gg/nikke/guides/pvp-burst

A pvp team can be thought to have the following characteristics, (1) Speed i.e. how fast team bursts, (2) Core Dmg Dealer, (3) Buffers, (4) Other Utility units.

(1) Speed
The team that bursts faster generally has the advantage against the slower team. Hence, units that have high burst gen are extremely valuable. In the current SPA PvP Meta, 2RL is the standard speed that your pvp teams should be. Hence, use the pvp deck builder to ensure that your teams are at this speed threshold.

(2) Core Dmg Dealer and (3) Buffers
You want your main dmg dealer to do sufficient dmg to wipe the opponent. This can be a single instant nuke (e.g. Scarlet), or a dmg over time (e.g. Scarlet Black Shadow). We will generally pair our dmg dealer with at least 1 buffer to ensure that sufficient dmg is dealt (e.g. Scarlet + Trina). If you decide to use other nukers like Bunny Soda, Maid Privaty, Ein, SAnis, Noir etc, these units generally require two buffers and often still deal insufficient dmg to the opponents. Liberalio, VestiTU and Cinderella are notable exceptions where their nukes are strong enough to wipe even without buffers.

Additionally, your opponent can also be running a dmg-reduction or HP-buffing unit like Moran, Noise or Nero. Hence against these opponents, we need additional buffers to ensure that we deal sufficient damage. A good heuristic is that 1 dmg-reduction unit negates a single buffer. E.g. If our team is a Scarlet + RH vs opponent Noise + Cindy, RH's B1 dmg buff is reduced by Noise's max HP buff, and hence Scarlet can no longer 1-hit KO. So always ensure that your nuker(s) is appropriately buffed.

(4) Utility Units
These are more gimmicky units that add additional flavour to our teams often at the expense of burst gen. E.g. Blanc's Indom, Siren and Soda's stun, Bay's shield, Nayuta's Indom, Mana's revive, Rosanna's nuke etc. As SPA teams become faster and faster, gimmick B1 and B2 units will gradually become more important.

A good pvp setup ideally balances all these factors across 3 (or 5 teams for Champion's Arena)

[crystal flicker]

I'll cook Vesti dmg calc against Stall later

[quick lake]

Will update Vesti teams eventually

[quartz canopy]

I hope it isn't asked often but why is soda compatible in scarlet-trina teams?

[coarse solstice]

In p2 she can stun Noah/noise

[grand plaza]

Pin please @lean sphinx

[quartz canopy]

I see, any investment required for her?

[quick lake]

Thanks boss

[coarse solstice]

Nope

[quartz canopy]

wow ok so it's a free 1 second stun

[coarse solstice]

She can be neked 111 but splash damage might kill her. I'd throw base OL and SR5 if your feeling bougie

Honestly r15 might be fine

[grand plaza]

@lean sphinx also it might be a good idea to clean old one from pins

#pvp-arena message

[grand plaza]

She is only ok for CA tbh, otherwise there are better options

[grand plaza]

You think Vesti still will be op once they fix the current double effect bug?

[quick lake]

Vesti isnt bugged

She’s very good imo. Near unbeatable lmao

[grand plaza]

Isnt her S2 apply twice?

[quick lake]

Nope. From all the vids and tests so far, no double proc

[grand plaza]

Daamn, OP by default then

I was going to skip her but I guess not

Looks like she plays a bit more like SBS right?

[quartz canopy]

yea I was wondering if I need to put siren somewhere else but I guess not

is it better to have two strong teams in SPA or 3 decent teams? I can't really make all teams strong because i'm missing emi/xmaiden

[grand plaza]

Try to build 2 strong teams with fast burst and then one more with high cp

[tropic summit]

hmm looks decent, although opponent should respond with double buff scar the first and noah the second, try it either way

[onyx scaffold]

Try both

[tropic summit]

your defense is as good as your 2 worse teams, if you can make 3 average teams or 2 good teams and 1 fodder, the latter is likely a tad better

[fiery parcel]

Ok. I got vesti and ein in 50 pulls

[twilit bay]

Would this team really be 2RL though?
Jackal siren blanc centi vestiTU 2rl

[quick lake]

Nope, not 2rl

[twilit bay]

thought so

[quick lake]

Dont really need siren there. Can swap out for ClipRL

[twilit bay]

Would X-Maiden/Laplace also work, or would the gen be too low?

I guess that would rely on feed rather than just being a guaranteed 2RL

[oblique igloo]

So in the end, vesti isn't a solo raid unit but an arena unit?😭

[quick lake]

All planned

[quartz canopy]

I'm currently running 3 decent teams and yea I can't really defend also due to cp deficit

so I think I will try 2 strong and high cp teams with one cp pad team haha

[glad glade]

Unfortunately it would not, even with invested CS

[oblique igloo]

That's even worse than her just beeing bad because this means she's never gonna be buffed 🥀

[oblique igloo]

But hey, wishlist time and I got the others in 20 pulls

[north brook]

think 2 hard to break teams is a bit more reliable, but the third team needs to be at least semi playable so your opponents need to run some good units to run it over

historically the third team was always a memey issue, still kinda is, ideally i think the teams you run require a pvp specific hard counter

[north brook]

tbh i feel like shes likely just awful at bossing, doing all her dmg as true damage in big aoe seems good for mobbing

esp at defecit with low stats fighting high def opps

[oblique igloo]

If I want a mobbing unit I just pull up with mod or sbs 🥀

[north brook]

around 35%+ defecit units will start just doing 1 damage without enough atk lines or full burst (with atk buffs)

so some opening spawns become very rough

[quartz canopy]

also is it me or is noah's cp just lower than others

I already have all base OLs with charge speed and SR5 but still kinda low in cp

[oblique igloo]

Just burst faster because this means you have to invest in a terrible unit for nothing

[north brook]

those volleyball+onetap openers in hard campaign are pretty brutal

[crystal flicker]

I did some calc and yeah VesTac shouldn't kill stall

[oblique igloo]

Can she even do anything

[crystal flicker]

She just Emilia + Ein

[half grail]

How’s vesti for PvP?

[random field]

cooked?

[half grail]

Good burst gen?

[fallow nebula]

I would wishlist her btw

[quick lake]

Okay-ish burst gen. Big attack

[fallow nebula]

Ugh i have to roll her since i dont have good fire dps, no asuka

[half grail]

Tysm

[oblique igloo]

No modernia?
No alice?
No drake?
No mihara?
No rrh?

[fallow nebula]

Modernia is a non bursting

Drake i assume is drake doro?

Alice and mihara and rapipi are good i guess

[crystal flicker]

I describe VesTac as Emilia but True Damage and instead of doing one big Dong, she's doing smaller multiple decent Dong

[oblique igloo]

Fair but I bet she's better than her anyway

[fallow nebula]

Need someone to accompany modernia

[quick lake]

She's a more OP SBS. Instant SSS

[oblique igloo]

Her dammage capabilities at bossing are so low

[crystal flicker]

She's overrated

[half grail]

Wait so I need to use her for PvP? A must pull?

[quick lake]

in PvE, she wants parts

[oblique igloo]

And we all know how good summer sakura is when parts are involved right

[half grail]

Ah I only partake in PvP mostly

[fallow nebula]

Problem with pvp is that dupes are important

[quick lake]

Vesti has no self-atk scaling, so dupes less impt this time

[crystal flicker]

You can skip VesTac if you have Emilia

[half grail]

What’s VesTac?

[oblique igloo]

So she's pretty bad in pvp too and the only reason on why want her is because you missed a collab unit never rerrunning

I got this right?

[crystal flicker]

Tactical

[half grail]

I see

[quick lake]

If u pvp main, Vesti kinda must pull

[half grail]

Ok I’ll pull lol

[oblique igloo]

I'm not following anymore

[glad glade]

She’s not bad in pvp. In fact she’s a must pull. She just can’t handle stall, but that team is a monster in it of itself

[oblique igloo]

But where can u use her since from my understanding emilia does the same but better

[fast nest]

is there any charge speed result about vesti Tac?

[shell hazel]

need purple doll and more gear fodder next

[quick lake]

waos. How many pulls total

[shell hazel]

120 in total

one of my quicker mlb

[glad glade]

How does emilia do better apart from having better burst gen and the one big nuke?

[quick lake]

I hope I can skip bunnies next month

[oblique igloo]

I'm absolutely terrible at pvp so idk, just saying what I understood from reading here in the last 10 mins

[shell hazel]

I have 50k gems left + 450 mileage so I can mileage some stuff if needed though I prefer to keep the mileage for anni

[quick lake]

VestiTU auto hits harder than laplace and emilia

[north brook]

vesti way harder to counter than emi

needing invested stall as only counter? dam

[fast nest]

VestiTac start to attack at 2 RL and 4th attack at 2.5 RL. 23.6 charge?
And her bust is like cindy and her autoattack start to hit all 5 nikkes. Do I understand correctly?

[glad glade]

Vesti has better sustained damage than emilia, which is important for indom teams. As far as skipping her if you have emilia, its an acceptable choice. Emilia still is really good at her job, but Vesti is just better in every way

[oblique igloo]

I see, thx

[crystal flicker]

Who said that tho

[quick lake]

3 shots at 2RL time. 4th shot by 3RL then reloaddd. The rest is correct. Her auto is buffed alot upon buff

[half grail]

So does I got vesti so do I triple 10 her?

[crystal flicker]

Her 4th atk is around 3.5RL++

[fast nest]

hmm

[half grail]

I’m gonna triple 10 her since PvP is my main

[quick lake]

4-7/10/10 budget imo. s1 lowest scaling

[half grail]

Tysm

[glad glade]

Invested stall is such a nightmare, in more ways than one. I’m nowhere near ready for that level of investment yet 💀

[crystal flicker]

4RL even

[glad glade]

Not to mention the amount of doll kits needed. Good God

[half grail]

So what teams could I be slotting her in?

[crystal flicker]

The fastest teams you have

[hollow lagoon]

@shell hazel I think I did over 200 and I had to mileage the last one but I got 3 pilgrims in between

[half grail]

Ohh so 2rl teams she slaps huh

[shell hazel]

it's been a while since I had any pilgrim randomly appear

[leaden canyon]

I did test against rosanna with vesti blanc and rosanna nuked vesti

[half grail]

Should I throw her in slot for og scarlet

[oblique igloo]

I still have to ticket summer annis after this but I should be fine I guess? I just fear collab a lot

[leaden canyon]

So you still need like noise noah against rosanna nuke

Noise helped her from getting nuked

[crystal flicker]

2RL Blanc

[glad glade]

Save for Sanis. Most people don’t bother with PvP

For a good reason too

[oblique igloo]

I kinda want to bother with pvp but I already have most units, I just need time now

And solo raid is cooler but vesti is useless there

[crystal flicker]

XAnne might be good for her no?

[oblique igloo]

And I have a 180 pulls no ssr on summer annis banner last year so this year I definitely ticket

[crystal flicker]

Idk if I should skip VesTac

[oblique igloo]

I tried 20 summons like the other two and didn't get her so wishlist it is

[crystal flicker]

We need to save for RE and Anniv

[plucky charm]

rosanna prioritizes attackers right? but who does she target if there are no attackers?

[glad glade]

Not even for RE. I gotta get the remaining seasonal units, especially SHelm. Really bricked myself when I skipped her back when I was starting out 💀

[glad glade]

The left most units

[crystal flicker]

2 front most

[shell hazel]

alright what to counter these 3 with? I think team 1 is risky with 2RL scar due to jackal bug
3rd I think I just take out with my usual 2rl noah/cindy
2nd might be better for 2RL scar as it's 3rl and should die before it can burst?

[onyx scaffold]

do it guys

[crystal flicker]

He just crazy

And he hasn't won CA lately

[onyx scaffold]

enough 5 frames anyway

[twilit bay]

He got 2nd place last time. Didn't make it to last round this time

[glad glade]

I can only dream of getting one champion frame

[oblique igloo]

Btw how is treasure bay in sp arena?

[onyx scaffold]

rng shit.
a champion winner failed group 4 last time and this time he is back to the throne

but i would say... other players also get better because they catch up with meta and investment

[twilit bay]

yeah, match ups were pretty bad

[onyx scaffold]

can tank nuke if she can burst in 2RL but not sure now with vesti

[shell hazel]

yeah I think the competition is getting harder more people investing

[leaden canyon]

Scar rosanna against sbs, blanc emilia/vesti against cindy and noise noah cindy helm rumani should be able to kill the scar team

If your rosanna cant one shot then it will lose

[shell hazel]

she might be able to - but core max siren and sbs 😄

my ros is 30% atk ish

[leaden canyon]

good news is the other two teams should win

[shell hazel]

I don't think I can indom vesti yet she's not got enough cp

no emi in my brackets

one reason I went for mlb vesti

[leaden canyon]

Can still just kill cindy team with noah bisuit emilia hood

[shell hazel]

no emi 🙁

[leaden canyon]

ah

Can still just go for a double win then

[shell hazel]

will 2RL scar not just kill the 3rl cindy? or unlikely?

[spare nimbus]

u can probably just do scar trina rh centi jackal for 2nd team

[shell hazel]

they have no feed

[leaden canyon]

I always kill scar rosanna teams with 3RL cindy

[shell hazel]

double buff with RH instead

noise will take some hits and then scar burst should kill her + rumani = they'd have no b1

I think it one taps rumani so biscuit doesn't save

auto attack cindy not 0 threat mind you

[leaden canyon]

2RL cindy team against rosanna and you can counter the blanc team with biscuit and a defender, so can just match with blanc and throw biscuit in

Since sbs cant do damage against biscuit defender

[spare nimbus]

3rd team just do noah rumani cindy helm biscuit and u can do scar-ros for 1st team or scar-rh for 2nd team

[shell hazel]

only issue on that is that I can't blanc p1 as siren will stun, so I need to put someone there just to eat the stun 😄

[spare nimbus]

does ur scar have 52< ammo?

[shell hazel]

it's 32 or less and yes she has 20 atm

[onyx scaffold]

wrong scarlet huh

[leaden canyon]

You can do jackal on the indom team

unless you want to try for 3 wins

[nimble swan]

SBS bugged as hell atm

[spare nimbus]

then yeah for 1st team u can do scar rosana trina centi jackal since scarlet won't get stunned

[shell hazel]

I'd prefer to assure 2 wins

I think the issue on team 1 is I potentially just feed them to 2RL and then blanc gets indom in time haha

or ros fails to one tap sbs

wondering if I should just run my own slower indom or indom into t2 instead

[leaden canyon]

Again, it doesn't matter if you are running biscuit indom, it stops sbs

[slate trench]

🐇 how good is vesti in pvp?

[nimble swan]

Very good

[leaden canyon]

It shouldn't really matter if your scar in p1 gets stunned because it will get blanc indom and when the stun faids it will still nuke

and sbs cant do damage to the team because biscuit

[slate trench]

how exactly is very good tho? i felt bad for not pulling trina for scarlet cause i was saving my pulls for collab

[nimble swan]

Exactly like you need to pull her if you not want to get left behind. Same as not pulling Emilia and being sad later

[shell hazel]

oh you mean indom normal scar

[quick lake]

Will very likely be mainstay unit in SPA and CA definitely

[shell hazel]

what layout would you run?

[leaden canyon]

yes

[shell hazel]

I can safely scar p1 that

[spare nimbus]

do you know how much cs he has on his centi and jackal?

[slate trench]

🐇 ok. i gonna pull her.

[spare nimbus]

because unless he has 15% cs on both centi and jackal i doubt it is possible you will lose

rosanna should still be able to kill siren and sbs tho

before blanc bursts

[shell hazel]

mine? no

[slate trench]

god blesses 20 pulls

[spare nimbus]

dang why couldnt i get vesti with my 900 gems

super unfair

[nimble swan]

What are some good Vesti cooks at the moment?
I want to try her out, but not sure how much OLs and CP I can give her atm

[leaden canyon]

you know come to think of it, you could just rosanna sg team the scar team

Or do the 3RL scar blanc biscuit team

If you are not sure rosanna will one shot with scar trina team

[shell hazel]

I am not 100% she would no, she might do but not got the spare free tries to try it as such

my sg team is OK but nothing special, not sure i trust them either 😄

[leaden canyon]

The sg team would for sure kill sbs

With rosanna there to break the link there is no feed

[spare nimbus]

how much cs do u have on trina centi and jackal

[leaden canyon]

Especially if your drake has a lot of ele damage

She would rip through sbs

[crystal flicker]

I can make 1.6RL VesTac

[leaden canyon]

Other wise just do 3RL scar blanc biscuit

[shell hazel]

I mean it's possible haha, I'd love to just have the tries to test it 😄

[leaden canyon]

use xanne

[shell hazel]

I don't have xanne

[leaden canyon]

then thats fine

soda can get sacked

[shell hazel]

my rolls on the SG's aren't great btw

[leaden canyon]

rosanna p4

[shell hazel]

not much in the way of ele or atk

[crystal flicker]

You know what

[leaden canyon]

rosanna p5 just causes target skip

[nimble swan]

what do you mean by that? can you uncover the mystery?

[shell hazel]

centi like 15% others are nearer to 10% or a bit under

[spare nimbus]

u should be able to kill it then, since u burst faster than him

[shell hazel]

this is probably the safer option btw 😄

[shell hazel]

jackal feed double atm

[leaden canyon]

yeah biscuit just breaks sbs

[shell hazel]

what layout for scar 3RL position wise?

[leaden canyon]

but you should be able to kill with 2RL scar trina rosanna

[fiery parcel]

How does vesti work in pvp?

Indom with blanc?

[spare nimbus]

she obliterates everything

all u need to know

[crystal flicker]

1.6RL, with 18% CS on VesTac, she'll fire first salvo around 1.65RL
2nd salvo at 2.73RL

[leaden canyon]

You basically want her to burst as quick as possible

[crystal flicker]

What's Noah burst in RL again

2.8RL

[fiery parcel]

Should be fine. Hahahah

[crystal flicker]

So you can potentially kill Noah before she burst

[spare nimbus]

maybe put rumani in p2 just to be safe

[leaden canyon]

My only problem is that I dont think you can run 2RL vesti blanc for defense because rosanna will just kill her

[quick lake]

Rosanna sniping vesti?

[leaden canyon]

yes

[spare nimbus]

will tempering save besti?

[nimble swan]

so for like 2.5 RL team, Noah burst will be delayed until 2.8RL?
What's the frame counter site url? I forgot

[fiery parcel]

Sads. I won, but besti lost

[leaden canyon]

I didn't test it with tempering but she had an SR15 and she died to rosanna

[spare nimbus]

people in my sp are annoying

[crystal flicker]

No, 2RL Noah burst at 2.7RL, her skill proc at 2.8RL

[spare nimbus]

what was besti even trying to acomplish 😭

she looked so lost in that fight

[quick lake]

https://nikke.work/

[nimble swan]

That's almost 1s diff, hmm I thought it's less but thx

[scarlet adder]

in my sp 2 biggest whales jump between 1 and 4 while i eat popcorn and watch from 2nd 😄

[spare nimbus]

i used to just sit in 3rd last season doing nothing

while everyone fought for 2nd

unfortunately this season i got a new whale and 4 more people higher sync than me

[scarlet adder]

i had this in my like 2nd season, guy on 6th was chilliing so i was safe

[spare nimbus]

and for some reason this eve guy has something against me and doesn't bother attacking 3rd

[odd lantern]

Is Besti able to splash everyonr with burst at 7?

[shell hazel]

what layout for scar 3RL position comp/wise?

[scarlet adder]

the most annoying but also really funny thing i experienced was when whale copied my entire team in rookie 😄

[oblique ridge]

This looks very fancy and cool. Is it accurate?

[scarlet adder]

there are still cubes and CS ol gear so not 100%

[spare nimbus]

in my experience it has been very accurate

[oblique ridge]

It currently doesn't support accounting for cubes and OL gear cspd?

[spare nimbus]

it does

[scarlet adder]

it does but do you know it for your enemy?

[quick lake]

@crystal flicker how much did u math Vesti's auto attacks during burst

[oblique ridge]

I think that was a given, I had meant for the team he was evaluating

Oh, it's evaluating two teams at once

[spare nimbus]

u can probably just screen record and roughly estimate their cs

[leaden canyon]

Noise wont get siren stunned in 3RL right?

[oblique ridge]

Will

[fathom rock]

Will unless she isn't the target of siren attack

[leaden canyon]

is it 2.5 where shes safe

[oblique ridge]

You can see this Stun dashed line appear before 3RL dashed line

[quick lake]

11% cs team wide, 2RL Noah is safe from siren stun. 2RL B1 always safe

[leaden canyon]

The team I'm messing with cant be 2RL, so with noah having faster cs than noise, will noise get stunned in 2.5 before she bursts?

[crystal flicker]

Against what? also Vesti has 2 instance of dmg right, the normal atk and the true dmg

[spare nimbus]

don't forget the 3rd

[quick lake]

yep! Just in general

[leaden canyon]

btw whats that site

[spare nimbus]

https://nikke.work/

[quick lake]

Likely gets stun, yes

[oblique ridge]

I have yet to use it. Looks good though from just the screenshots and others' vouching for it

[scarlet adder]

comparably is vesti better in pvp than sanis? and by a lot?

[spare nimbus]

yes by a lot

[oblique ridge]

There's at least one Goddess Vesti convert running around in another chat I'm in.

And a lot of other worshippers in this pvp chat

But only for pvp

[shell hazel]

it's good just jackal feed isn't going to be accurate atm

these bugs need to be fixed really

[spare nimbus]

players: hey SU can u plz fix the bugs in ur game that sometimes last for over a week?
SU: ok guys here is a new nikke event on bla bla

[shell hazel]

since bay was released they've just screwed up a bunch of stuff

treasure that is

[oblique ridge]

• Scarlet team is 1
• Cindy team is 2
• Blanc team is 3 (with TU Vesti)
• SG team is 4
• What's left?

[spare nimbus]

moran nero

[oblique ridge]

So SBS and SAnis are in threat of being sent to retirement bench. Depends a lot on how the player arranges their 5 teams, though

[spare nimbus]

new meta is 5 shotgun teams

[unique wagon]

SAnis has already been sent to retirement bench for a while

And Snake still believes since the beginning of 2025 that she is SSS meta top OP DPS

And then last month he sent, "Tbh I never do pvp anymore pls fix the tier list Gatrix."

[scarlet adder]

so what is top 5 dps in pvp? scarlet, cindy, vesti, emilia and who?

[quick lake]

ReiTN if u wanna

[unique wagon]

SAnis used to fill 2-3 purposes, but there are better units that fill those purposes better. SAnis therefore just becomes average for those.

[oblique ridge]

After those 4, it's just SGs and stall with HelmT, maybe LaplaceT supplementing that

No major "tremble before me, for I am Death, the destroyer of teams" after those 4, I mean

Unless you want to count people filling in for missing those units

[spare nimbus]

unless ur team is 2rl i have no idea why you would use a shotgun in ur team cause u will just feed jackal and give scar-jackal a free win

[scarlet adder]

what is sg team? don't tell me sdoro dps xD

[leaden canyon]

I have seen people running b.soda drake pepper poli noir teams in CA and it doesn't seem to be doing good

The Rosanna xanne version seems to just be better

[oblique ridge]

If it's possible to replace SGs with effective SBS team, would it win more often?

[unique wagon]

No

[leaden canyon]

yeah it still gets countered by a lot of things

[oblique ridge]

That's under condition of SBS not having access to Blanc, Noah, etc.. they're taken

RIP

[leaden canyon]

biscuit

WIth like jackal or centi or rumani

still counters sbs

biscuit just is the villain of sbs

[scarlet adder]

i wonder if there will be bomb nikke that if you kill her she aoe for big damage 😄

[oblique ridge]

Did they fix the Mihara OS feedback loop when she dies to Scarlet Jackal?

She was like an AoE bomb on death vs that team

[onyx scaffold]

she will get stunned before full burst gauge anyway

[crystal flicker]

50% ATK OL, Burst, Fullburst VS non-stall DPS

Basic ATK = 509821
True DMG = 1201939
Sum = 1711760 / salvo
Burst AoE DMG = 1479657

I didn't account for range bonus coz idk which is which lol

[fathom rock]

Rl don't have range bonus tho?

[crystal flicker]

Are we even have range bonus in pvp?

[quick lake]

Nope dont have i think

[swift mango]

Hey at least I can just get one copy and dip.

I know the 3 main girls of RE.

The brunette girl and her rescued girl. The cop girl who turned blonde. It's easy to guess the units.

[crystal flicker]

So VesTac hit pretty hard during burst

[swift mango]

They might choose to rerun CSM when CN has its first CSM run. We already have a precedent.

[tulip quest]

Is Vesti worth it for PVP?

Does some1 had video of her in action?

[swift mango]

Maybe, but I don't think it's anything meta breaking. Hope it is then.

#pvp-arena message

2 poles of the same thing.

[tulip quest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA_8snj-GEI 27:17

Vesti PVP

[odd lantern]

weak sauce

[tulip quest]

Yea 1 sauce is lacking

https://tenor.com/view/sauce-crackermilk-ketchup-stain-gif-21853289

need more

[vapid lake]

She does enough damage to kill an entire enemy team 5 times over, only issue is she needs a lot of protection or indom

[tulip quest]

Yea makes me deliberate whether to pull or not

K pass we got Collab with R E

[odd lantern]

horrid sauce

[tulip quest]

I only have like enuf for 2 pulls or something

[vapid lake]

If u can maintain 2.4k gems per season in ur sp arena u must pull no questions asked, she is too strong https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1402587830709915668/1407862015006871592/2025-08-21_06-55-02.mp4?ex=68a7a52d&is=68a653ad&hm=056115fe8b1c734607072f1737623e9ae4a3577486005284ed6c43c9b91ac0c0&

[tulip quest]

yeap must pull

[vapid lake]

0 buffer, not sr15, skills only 7/7/7, still killed the entire enemy team with no deficit in 4 shots

[odd lantern]

I think there's no difference - if you can hold top3 right now, you'd probably still hold without her

If you're going back and forth (i.e. can't defend), then getting her should be more of the same.

or am I missing something?

[vapid lake]

it reduces the amount of thinking u have to do when punching up because she wins vs almost everything

Except faster rosanna, 2rl emilia or another indom that's slower

[odd lantern]

i heard stall blocks her too, but that's just what I heard

can you confirm that?

[tulip quest]

Tho only for Attacking she gets hard countered by sakura

[vapid lake]

Apparently moran teams lose to her too

[tulip quest]

C.A really good tho

[vapid lake]

How does she get countered by sakura

[pale knoll]

Sakura reduces wind nikkes dmg, not fire

[glad glade]

No way. Not even the infamous invested stall? You have footage?

[tulip quest]

Aight I forgot XD

[vapid lake]

take it from ppl who no-life pvp, not me

Replace ein with vesti

Vesti does like 3 times more damage

[odd lantern]

pretty sure moran nero can tank that though

[glad glade]

Hmmm, double buffed yeah they would beat it. But I’m more interested in single buffed blanc-besti, especially since its the more practical option for a 2.5 RL

[vapid lake]

[odd lantern]

RH buff he means I think

[glad glade]

Its the RH buff. Blanc is only 1 buff

[vapid lake]

I'd need someone to have a moran team built for me to test it on but i don't

So

[tulip quest]

K GG

[glad glade]

@crystal flicker did the math and said that the normal besti team wouldn’t have the damage to beat a nero moran team

[tulip quest]

200 Rolls 0 vesti

im POOP

[vapid lake]

Well yea if u're going up against stall u'd run double buff just to make sure

[glad glade]

Obviously yeah. Invested stall team is a real monster. But I don’t know if its all that practical to have a double buff besti since she wouldn’t be fast enough to reach a natural 2.5 RL. In SPA, its practical, but not CA

[swift mango]

Wtf do you mean. I'm maintaining 3000 in SpA and will keep maintaining 3000 even without pulling her.

[odd lantern]

if just for attacking can usually get by with 1 copy depending on how whaled your opponents are

[pale knoll]

Fr, skipping her mid ass too

[glad glade]

Ngl, kinda regret rolling for all three of them now

[spare nimbus]

[glad glade]

FOMO for Ziz’s 3% was strong lmao

[pale knoll]

Eunwha and Emma are pretty much a duo and don't need vesti, just cope for a metpilgrim true dmg dps and their values increases

[leaden canyon]

also need another non burst cdr option for that team

[glad glade]

Give it a year like SRosa and Mihara/Raven

[leaden canyon]

right now its just dwife/siren

[odd lantern]

OS Anis

[leaden canyon]

I feel like future units can for sure open them up but thats just wishful thinking

I dont trust shift up to do that

[pale knoll]

Rouge and cindy too, rouge released first

[glad glade]

This. Its better to bet against the best case scenario since that case is very rare

[odd lantern]

But you rolled for them anyway?

[vapid lake]

they can also do what they did to xguillo, powercreep her with a future release

[glad glade]

Yep and that was a mistake

[pale knoll]

Xguillo was still used last water SR

[vapid lake]

Selegg was dirty

[leaden canyon]

I'm glad I never built xguillo

[vapid lake]

If u're big whale with resources to spend on super niche unit like her ig. Doesnt change that selegg and her kinda do the same thing of buffing water allies with more ele dmg, but elegg just straight up better, so most people will rather just build elegg

[odd lantern]

Xguillo has a fancy sword tho

[glad glade]

She’s cute

[vapid lake]

i will never stop making fun of her for bringing water ele to an electric raid boss despite her being the protag of the story

[leaden canyon]

I'm broke af right now though, stellarblade made me pull 300+ times for 1 copy of eve and emma took me like 60k gems to get

[pale knoll]

So she wasn't powercrept yet as I said, although she is like 1-2 more water meta dps from being out for sure

[odd lantern]

vesti seems really expensive to build
She wants CS/ammo/ele/atk? That's pretty specific

[glad glade]

I forgot they did that to boost up XMaid. They did her really dirty 💀

[swift mango]

Imagine spending 200 for normal banner

[leaden canyon]

ikr

my luck

Kinda sad emma turned out not to be that great

I should have waited

[shell hazel]

i'll just wishlist emma and eunwha I think

save my pulls for bunnies/s.anis/xanne/colab

[odd lantern]

actually from the stat sheet it seemed the combined buff of emma+eunhwa is about the same as something like frimaT + mari right?

[onyx scaffold]

tbf the nero moran line up is countered by Blanc already. u can beat it with blanc rh + most meta dps.

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit thank you for 19h in challenger

[vapid lake]

God damn u have THAT many whales added into ur bracket huh

[fathom rock]

The sheer curse in this bracket is the only reason I considered hoarding till ch44

[vapid lake]

even vesti won't save u here

[fathom rock]

Also no one in this bracket holds their position
I saw 1st place in diamond yesterday

[vapid lake]

I'd just sit in d1 and collect 2k gems and take pvp off the mind for 3 months

[odd lantern]

i'd hold rank4

you could still scrape by top3 in total score

[vapid lake]

His bracket is cursed he can't rank 4

[fathom rock]

Nice joke p1 biscuit
I think this is to bait execution squad and abuse rapu revive against it at best

[fathom rock]

Brother I have whales in diamond

[odd lantern]

God bless

[shell hazel]

but then biscuit b2 😄

[fathom rock]

Biscuit die, rh get revive and Rhb2 cuz she die too

[tulip quest]

That's a weird biscuit comp

[fathom rock]

It's good bait tho lol

[odd lantern]

did u lose against that lol?

[fathom rock]

Not yet

That was silly

This goes to list of teams I'm too scared to touch

I wish i have a 2rl scar this very instant

[odd lantern]

he could have won if he had a proper b2 instead of RH

cindy burst ftw lol

[fathom rock]

If he didn't have rh I'd be running some sniper team to obliterate his rapunzel

[odd lantern]

do SGs target skip cindy?

like if he had swapped RH and cindy, would your SGs skip cindy and hit RH

[fathom rock]

No

[odd lantern]

I mean it seemed to target skip cindy and hit helm (but there was still some stray damage on cindy)

[fathom rock]

Sanis s2 you mean?

[swift mango]

@tropic summit finally delete the app after exactly 50 day of play. My OCD made me have to finish all the farming stages first before I quit.

[odd lantern]

i mean after your team killed RH, the majority of the damage hits helm

yeah you're right - the only damage to cindy was from S Anis

this tells me if he swapped RH and cindy you would have lost hahaha

[shell hazel]

husbando game failed to keep you on the hook 😛

[fathom rock]

I would've played another team then

[crystal flicker]

For example VesTac Burst true dmg got reduced by
19% vs Non-healer
24% vs Healer
35% vs Nero

So 1M will go down to 810K, 760K, and 650K

[glad glade]

Christ what a monster of a team that is. I can’t wait to work on Nero

[crystal flicker]

With HelmT burst they should be able to survive the full burst imo

[glad glade]

Oh yeah, the healing. That would more or less guarantee that they would survive the entire duration

[crystal flicker]

Maybe if someone were to build Crit VesTac

[odd lantern]

would vesti win if you were able to sneak in siren somehow?

[glad glade]

half way down
heal back to full hp
can’t bring it back down
Yeah even besti would struggle to get it down

[odd lantern]

because nero usually goes p1, and with her stunned, they dont go full burst - you have free pot shots until nero is unstunned

[glad glade]

Idk. It would sacrifice a ton of lines, and she demands very specific lines

[spiral onyx]

Vesti... Hits pretty hard.
I think I have my Emilia replacement

[fathom rock]

@umbral belfry @vapid lake

[glad glade]

Vesti is truly besti

[crystal flicker]

Need very specific timing, and stun Nero only delay the heal(s)

[vapid lake]

gatrix said the same thing earlier in the day, but having keripo reassurance is nice

He said nothing can survive vesti with rh b1

Damn looks like vesti nuke has no delay in pvp

Too

[spiral onyx]

I need to do some math, but I'm pretty sure between Emilia and Vesti autos, P1/P2/P3 will be at like 2/3rds or so when Vesti bursts, which should instantly bring everyone down to low HP and quickly annihilated but the follow up hits

[fathom rock]

Vesti might be my cope scarlet on global

[crystal flicker]

That's a waste of stall ngl

[glad glade]

Oh my God its a scarlet-type burst. 0.5 RL delayed indom stands no chance

[spiral onyx]

Assuming the numbers look good, Vesti will be a drop in replacement for my Emilia, with Emilia turning into charge speed

I'm not sure I'll have enough rocks to make Emilia have enough charge speed though

[crystal flicker]

38% CS

[vapid lake]

[fathom rock]

Wtf initial ol

[vapid lake]

Must be nice

I wish that were me

[crystal flicker]

Looking at the numbers, I'm sure heavy duty Scarlet can beat that

[fathom rock]

I failed too many ss

[shell hazel]

lucky and unlucky Retro

we have solo raid though you'll be fine

[fathom rock]

Well i can 101010 her and use in pvp straight out of the box

[spiral onyx]

Ok, so actually

Vesti's damage is wild

Look at Helm's HP

This is all from 4 auto attacks from Vesti

[fathom rock]

[spiral onyx]

Granted, 2 or 3 of them have RH atk buff

[umbral belfry]

and that's with no blanc. it's over LMAO

[spiral onyx]

But still, Vesti hasn't burst yet

This is also MLB Vesti with no cube and no doll

So yeah, unless they have a Noah, it's gg

[rustic sandal]

vesti is pvp meta and hard to counter for players who don't look up info online

[fathom rock]

4/10/10 or 7/10/10

[vapid lake]

vesti will hard knowledge check people in ur bracket

She requires a really specific team setup to counter

[spiral onyx]

Goodbye Emilia B3

You are now on battery duty

[harsh arch]

Vesti don't need RH buff she capable to eliminate all by herself

[umbral belfry]

is the only known way to beat her still is a rosa?

[fathom rock]

[vapid lake]

Rosa (impossible if you punching up higher sync 20-40 lvls), emilia and slower indom

[glad glade]

A rosa outside the SG team, yes. And probably the invested stall team if she’s only buffed by blanc

[fathom rock]

Slower indom very unlikely to live

[umbral belfry]

I'm not even gonna ask keripo to try with the blanc vesti ver. it's over

[vapid lake]

blanc will die before u can burst

[fathom rock]

I can test that for you

[vapid lake]

Its walking a very thin line

[umbral belfry]

well, since there's no emi in my bracket...

[umbral belfry]

if you want 2rl indom vesti pls

[fathom rock]

Against specific team?

[harsh arch]

I try her Jackal+TVest+Blanc+Centi+THelm

[umbral belfry]

a typical nero stall

[fathom rock]

I'll need good luck finding that

[glad glade]

It really is the 2.5 RL noah vs 2 RL scar all over again

[umbral belfry]

same but instead of helm I do xmaid to save me from rosa's in case vesti dies

[umbral belfry]

you baited me

[fathom rock]

Hey it's not impossible to find

[umbral belfry]

well if a noah ver beats nero stall I already have my answer with a blanc

I don't need to see it

[fathom rock]

I found a solution

This défense about to be pure evil

[spiral onyx]

Brutal

[vapid lake]

Emi can kill vesti before vesti fires 3rd volley i think

[fathom rock]

I put her p4 then

[vapid lake]

i propose vesti gets her own tier above everyone else

[hollow lagoon]

What evil is dis, high af no max doll 0 star vesti

[umbral belfry]

goddess of victory tier

[glad glade]

Christ Jack wasn’t even here 💀

[spiral onyx]

Vesti killed 2RL Blanc before Blanc burst lmao

[umbral belfry]

we're gonna see a lot more p4 blanc/Noah's I'm gonna imagine but

[vapid lake]

if anyone still doubting vesti after this they just delusional

[umbral belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/there-is-no-escape-aaron-brown-bionicpig-there’s-no-way-out-there’s-no-getting-out-gif-2564536450770892308

[hollow lagoon]

Vesti replaced Cinderella?

[glad glade]

Forget the hard rock. They’ve just straight up introduced a gun in the rock paper scissors dynamic

[rustic sandal]

if vesti survives after noah indom the enemy team instantly dies

[umbral belfry]

I'd say sbs if you're still using

[spiral onyx]

Actually, nvm I think this is just me having lots of charge speed lol

[umbral belfry]

if you're doing indom. cindy if using with noah?

[crystal flicker]

Crit VesTac

[spiral onyx]

Cause Blanc dies while my Noah is bursting

[umbral belfry]

from other clips she's likely still dead either way

[hollow lagoon]

Eah I only use indom for ca, but is stall dead?

[fathom rock]

Noah died

[hollow lagoon]

Holy crap

[spiral onyx]

So there's still the chance Blanc would be able to indom the enemy Scarlet

[umbral belfry]

if we're going based off keripo's videos and I imagine that was against an invested stall, nero moran loses to vesti

[spiral onyx]

Not ideally invested, but good enough as a test dummy

[crystal flicker]

That HelmT don't even have CS

[umbral belfry]

fair

[rustic sandal]

vesti destroys nero moran stall

[spiral onyx]

I'm also not attacking with an ideal attack team setup either

[umbral belfry]

you hate to see it

[spiral onyx]

This is meant for testing my CA variant

[glad glade]

I love it

[hollow lagoon]

Welp I pulled mlb, the pve’s kinda wack tho

[umbral belfry]

I still prefer the indom var personally. granted as a newer player with no access to emi I indom sbs before this

but with vesti I don't really need sbs so

[vapid lake]

People who invested hundreds of days worth of resources into the moran nero stall team be like if they can't qualify for CA

[spiral onyx]

But yeah, Vesti finally living up to her lore

[vapid lake]

All of that gone in a flash to a single vesti

[crystal flicker]

I use SG Blanc last CA, maybe she can fill the slot

[umbral belfry]

that's me except I make ca but all my resources spent building my nero moran

[rustic sandal]

you need a specific comp to beat vesti but the chances that you run it for ca is very low

she will likely have the highest winrate in ca

[hollow lagoon]

I have them pertty good invested

[umbral belfry]

all I've seen is a scar rosa and slower indom as of now

[hollow lagoon]

What’s vesti’s comp tho? Indom or something else

[glad glade]

Indom team went from zero to hero in a single day

[crystal flicker]

You can try VesTac against my Stall

[spiral onyx]

Her 2RL burst gen is pretty low though

So she needs battery carries

[rustic sandal]

2rl rosa can beat her before she bursts if you have a hyper invested rosa

[umbral belfry]

so if it's only those 2 compared from all the other teams yeah that's a very high win rate

[rustic sandal]

but ppl dont'run that in ca lol

[umbral belfry]

yeah someone posted a video of it a few hours ago

[umbral belfry]

exactly lmao. but for sp yeah

[crystal flicker]

The diff between 3RL stall and 2.5RL stall is big due to Moran

[umbral belfry]

unless we start to see more scar rosa in ca

[rustic sandal]

maybe i will have to do that

beat out smart players before they have the chance to vesti me

[vapid lake]

why? they will just avoid that team and get a free win against one of your other team using vesti

[umbral belfry]

for ca you can only avoid it for so long due to rng

[vapid lake]

I missed the ca part

didn't read all the way before typing

[umbral belfry]

I don't think scar rosa ca is worth for sg rosa ca though

[glad glade]

Looking at keripo’s videos, if they have anything to indicate then Vesti’s standard rockets will fire before anyone bursts. Thats going to cause some serious damage, especially to the squishy units like helm

[umbral belfry]

you basically need rosa for sg comps to fine for ca. without her you're likely 5 sg but can't snowball

[hollow lagoon]

Sbs is done then?

[umbral belfry]

yeah it's done for sbs

[rustic sandal]

my ca bracket has a lot of noobs so the chances of someone actually running vesti is low

[vapid lake]

Sanis too

[umbral belfry]

at least I can still roll sanis for pve

[hollow lagoon]

Welp sanis and sbs can still pve

[crystal flicker]

3RL stall always weak tho, the heart of the stall is Moran's burst and Nero passive

[vapid lake]

yea vesti can't pve

[umbral belfry]

if they don't run vesti after seeing how good she is, that's on them but hey makes it easier for you

[hollow lagoon]

I was expecting vesti to do good for pve but it’s a bit rough

[rustic sandal]

it takes them 1 ca to figure it out they learn from things they see in game

[hollow lagoon]

Vesti prob need lots of charge speed and ammmo to catch up to Ein under generic supports

[crystal flicker]

Also if Nero dies against Blancless comp, that's more than an issue

[umbral belfry]

I'm likely aiming for 2-4 ammo, 4x cs, and idk more ele or more atk yet

[hollow lagoon]

I’m not in a position to aim for anything

[umbral belfry]

[vapid lake]

True that, no rocks

[hollow lagoon]

But solo raid coming up and I pulled her to MLB

[glad glade]

We’re in the same boat bro…

[umbral belfry]

dw. the last full burst day is soon

[hollow lagoon]

[vapid lake]

2x0=0

[umbral belfry]

solo raid started already if you didn't do

[hollow lagoon]

Already annihilated

[umbral belfry]

[glad glade]

Funny you mention that. I got zero rocks from kraken two days in a row. Today was the second day

[umbral belfry]

time for a quick nap before work

[hollow lagoon]

I need 3 batteries of either resillence or bastion to level both cube to 8 and I got none

[swift mango]

Midhara+ Cindy (no Blanc)

Emi buffed by Miranda+HelmT

Scar+Trina+RH with enough investment.

4-5SG that could kill Nero before Moran burst.

I already have enough example to Nero team slipping.

[hollow lagoon]

Nero moran still good for ca no?

[glad glade]

Oh absolutely yeah. They may have counters, but RNG has a huge factor in team counters and they don’t have much to begin with

[hollow lagoon]

Or are we back to full offense teams

[swift mango]

Yes, because it's cheap team for good effect. Only required 1 helm

So you save other burst gen units for other teams.

[glad glade]

Still pretty necessary for people who want to reach the top echelons of their brackets

[fathom rock]

@tropic summit vestiTU is now my scarlet that I longed for

[hollow lagoon]

Funny I pulled scarlet while pulling vesti

[swift mango]

@tropic summit your copium Emi.

[strange linden]

What's the team to counter Vesti?

[lunar pawn]

rosanna+scar 2RL

[swift mango]

You don't counter a dps. You counter the tech that go with the DPS.

[glad glade]

Not even a delayed indom will counter Vesti. She just murders blanc before the latter even bursts

[crystal flicker]

That's weak stall

[vapid lake]

#pvp-arena message

[fathom rock]

My global have emi but no broken 2rl nuke

[swift mango]

Weak stall with maxed out skill and dolls.

Just need core+7 so they be stronger

[crystal flicker]

It's Crit RNG again

[swift mango]

Clearly skill issue

How dare they not invested enough for core+7 their units.

[crystal flicker]

I also need to get some ATK for SG

[hollow lagoon]

What’s the team archetype for vesti? Indom or replace Cindi in a Noah biscuit stall?

Goddam auto correct

[crystal flicker]

2RL

[signal hull]

So ugh, did something change, I thought new Vesti was supposed to be awesome in pvp with high burst gen, but today it shows she's only 5.85?!

[crystal flicker]

Slower than that and you lose to 2RL

[hollow lagoon]

2rl vesti?

Gonna be rough lol

[crystal flicker]

VesTac wants 2RL for range++

[hollow lagoon]

Welp not on NIKKE deck yet

[lunar pawn]

vesti only fires once in 2RL time so there's that

[vapid lake]

vesti isn't good in pvp because of her burst gen, she's good because her damage is high enough to kill most normal teams 5 times over

[hollow lagoon]

Weird how her pve performance is ???????

[crystal flicker]

And yeah, I welcome anyone in my bracket to go against 1.6RL Scarlet

[signal hull]

How does one even builds a 1.6RL Scarlet...

[hollow lagoon]

Lots of charge speed+ feed I guess

Guy prob sold his soul to roll the chargespeeds

My problem would be trying to push vesti to 2 rl range I guess

[quick lake]

Dont we all roll cs%?

[hollow lagoon]

I try to roll but 30 rocks later I get 2 rolls on rapunzel

Game does love me some hit rate

On my rls

[crystal flicker]

With enough CS, 2RL B3 can burst before 2RL B2 0% CS

[signal hull]

and charge speeds on everything BUT rl/sr...

[hollow lagoon]

Yep

If SU make charge speed affect windup for MG life would be much better

[lunar pawn]

I still don't know what 3 new teams to make for SPA

[quick lake]

Yeah. I have some setups that didnt use Noah

[hollow lagoon]

I just have 2 rl scarlet / 3rl Cindy Noah / Moran, no one in my bracket is crazy enough to attack me these days

[lunar pawn]

I just wanna avoid any siren bait setups

[tropic summit]

wow that mf gemmed in the end

[rustic sandal]

take your old 3 teams replace a b3 with vesti and you're done

[tropic summit]

no more husbando in your laifu? sadge

[vapid lake]

vesti just got keripo seal of approval, it's over

[tropic summit]

until proc is fixed sure is

[tropic summit]

don't need her, you can keep sucking up to her

[fathom rock]

Proc bug doesn't affect vesti.

[swift mango]

Vesti, not Emi.

[lunar pawn]

I already needed to remake my old 3 so no

[fathom rock]

Vesti sss pvp unit go pull

[leaden canyon]

I'm trying this out

ignore the burstgen cubes on the cindy team

[crystal flicker]

Mana is Wind... weak to VesTac

[fathom rock]

Why T2 3rl

[hollow lagoon]

Does 15% charge help t2 get 2.5?

On rapunzel and helm that is

[quick lake]

Yeah. just needs cs% on rapun

[leaden canyon]

the moran nero team? its pretty normal for it to be either 3RL or 2.5, with mana there its not 2.5 becuase I dont have the cs on noah, noise or rapu to make it 2.5

[swift mango]

Kinda looks like power creep reiT. I will just use my reiT for now though.

[lunar pawn]

double 3RL team

[hollow lagoon]

I only have 15% with the chargespeed cube

[tropic summit]

cindy and helmt teams both need to be at least 2.5RL to counter nukes

else noise and moran are wasted there

work on your CS% before running those

[crystal flicker]

You reach 2.5 with La+ instead of Mana

[fathom rock]

Where lappy or xmaid

[leaden canyon]

yeah ik, was trying something different

because defense is getting beat anyway

[tropic summit]

you've SU to thank for that

keep releasing attack oriented nikke and screwing up defense chances

[fathom rock]

Vesti guarenteed win against 1 def

[leaden canyon]

Was losing before vesti release

I got whales in my bracket that just cp gap with non pvp teams

[hollow lagoon]

Tis their plot for gem war

[strange linden]

do you really need jackal for vesti? Are they any other team for her?

[lunar pawn]

how do I fix this team

[quick lake]

15 is good

[hollow lagoon]

Okie, rest of my rls are around 8-10% range unfortunately

[opaque yacht]

who pinged me here

[signal hull]

What's a good Vesti team rn? Having same issue, one... ugh... "person" I really hate had now beefed up with CP difference and I can't 100% breach him and cba losing attempts and giving him confidence.

[umbral crown]

[umbral crown]

Nice

[quick lake]

can get universally 11%. That’s a good stopping point

[hollow lagoon]

That’s easier, just need to roll maiden and noise

[tropic summit]

the question you should ask yourself is what team you expecting that team to work against

[leaden canyon]

this was another one I was going to run but I think noise can still get siren stunned before she bursts at 2.5

[lunar pawn]

Idk, I just slapped 3 teams together but they don't defend against anything except cp gapped people

[tropic summit]

2.5RL is B3 on 2RL, siren stun happens at B2 of 2RL, so yes if noise taunt priority, that noise is stunned

[tropic summit]

weak B3, low pressure, slower end, feeds

[lunar pawn]

trying to remake these, glady taking any ideas #pvp-arena message

[leaden canyon]

Only other thing I can do then is move biscuit over at lap at put another battery in the anis team

[tropic summit]

check these and push toward them

#pvp-arena message

[quick lake]

I was thinking this alternative

Drake as Vesti

[leaden canyon]

I guess there probably isnt any point in trying to make sure noah doesn't die from vesti since vesti can still kill the team even if you have noah biscuit

[lunar pawn]

CS lines, I'm cooked

built soda? cooked

[tropic summit]

that is if you want to have a chance at defending anyway

[vapid lake]

Vesti can kill noah before noah can burst because noah is wind

[lunar pawn]

yea I can't build anything in the short term like that

[leaden canyon]

yeah ik, doesn't noah biscuit still lose though

[quick lake]

Just get more cs% and be 1.6RL vesti

[vapid lake]

Yea

[leaden canyon]

In that case I should just throw biscuit over on nero team and try to make the noise noah team 2RL so siren doesn't mess with it at least

So they just choose which team to kill with vesti

at least siren doesn't give a free win

[vapid lake]

Naruhodo

[leaden canyon]

I think thats the only way to make it 2RL

[lunar pawn]

we still don't know vesti's burst gen equivalence though

would treat her like a cindy until we do

[tropic summit]

still too vulnerable, solo B1 p1 noise is killed by SGs

[leaden canyon]

I mean its either that or it dies from siren stun

or jsut gets killed by vesti

[tropic summit]

then rethink the team altogether

you should probably avoid considering vesti

that thing is bound to be fixed

or changed

[lunar pawn]

doubt it

[leaden canyon]

pvp doesn't really get fixed often in this game

its an after thought

[vapid lake]

They can make vesti trash in pvp by adding 1 line to her skill 2. "Affects enemies aside from Nikkes"

[tropic summit]

if it's not changed, then you don't need to consider defense at all anymore

[lunar pawn]

people roll for vesti for pvp
devs nerf vesti
people riot

[vapid lake]

people roll vesti for pve
shes trash
people riot

No winning here

[lunar pawn]

she's already ass for pve, if they make her ass in pvp then that's a problem

[lunar pawn]

the difference is, people were continuously told the new absolute trio is ass for pve and would be good only for this SR, and be shelved soon after

[vapid lake]

The complainers already started complaining

[swift mango]

You sure vestingen that much

[crystal flicker]

23%?

[lunar pawn]

drake can't be vesti though since drake fires what, 4 times in 2RL time?

[quick lake]

3 shots at 2RL with 10% cs

[crystal flicker]

2 shots at 2RL

[lunar pawn]

is that confirmed?

[crystal flicker]

Where 3 coming from

[umbral belfry]

I saw people say she's less than clip rl but more than clip sg

[lunar pawn]

that means nothing if she's a slow shooter

[quick lake]

Gatrix did mention, yes okay saw wrong

lemme find a reference

[umbral belfry]

it does mean that she has decent burst gen at least instead of "bad"

so it could be worse i suppose

[lunar pawn]

true, but hard to say where she falls when making a team that's struggling to reach 2RL

[umbral belfry]

that's fair

[lunar pawn]

still dk what lines to reroll on her

[quick lake]

Its 10% cs for 5SG time. So NOT at 2RL

[umbral belfry]

I'll eventually do 4 ele 4 cs 2 ammo/2 atk

I feel like ele is more important than atk bc you want to punish p1-3 wind

[swift mango]

Yeah nope. 2 at best.

[quick lake]

Yeah its 2, my mistake

[lunar pawn]

1st shot is the problem

[crystal flicker]

Now that you mention it

2RL with enough CS can cook VesTac

[umbral belfry]

your 1.6

[tropic summit]

you mean because B2 happens before she lands rockets?

[swift mango]

[crystal flicker]

But no one really care about CS after 2RL

[swift mango]

She is just ReiT powercreep. Stop hyping.

[lunar pawn]

rosanna double nuke can get one of its hits taunted right?

[umbral belfry]

I believe so (e.g moran)

[lunar pawn]

neat

my vesti overtook sdoro

[swift mango]

Someone isn't doroenough

[lunar pawn]

I still don't know what to make with my 3rd team, it's a free win

[rustic sandal]

doro cp is insanely low idk why really

at just level 1 she's lower than an sr nikke

[swift mango]

Replace drake with helmT.

[lunar pawn]

then rip t1

[swift mango]

Replace helm with biscuit.

[lunar pawn]

then rip 2RL

[swift mango]

So what?

[lunar pawn]

everyone dies

[rustic sandal]

lowest cp of all ssr and lower than all sr

i guess still higher than r nikke lol

[swift mango]

You don't know but it's viable def.

[crystal flicker]

Because Scarlet can burst before VesTac 3rd volley

[quick lake]

@swift mango why cant it be 3 shots?
with 10% cs, 1st charge is 1.80s, then 2nd takes 0.36, 3rd in 0.36

[lunar pawn]

noah is faster so noise prio, biscuit would be pointless

[crystal flicker]

Animation delay exist

[lunar pawn]

am I coping?

[crystal flicker]

If CS% also reduces Animation, then she can do pew pew pew dead

[lunar pawn]

unsure if I should use rosanna/siren in any defense

[crystal flicker]

VesTac also need buff

[lunar pawn]

does she, though

[shell hazel]

@tropic summit you here sir?

[lunar pawn]

either way, not sure how to make a jackal blanc indom team with her without bricking my other 2 teams

plus scar without jack is vulnerable to siren

[shell hazel]

you have to brick scar ammo a bit to safely run p1

[lunar pawn]

yea that can't happen

[atomic wolf]

@torn pumice OUR JOURNEY TO VICTORY HAS BEGUN

[loud sonnet]

Which one should I change first?

[atomic wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/mpla-gif-19924809

[loud sonnet]

And what's the ideal line btw

[atomic wolf]

lmao

[swift mango]

There you take the number and add them up yourself.

[lunar pawn]

is it fine if my vesti is unbuffed?

[umbral belfry]

try to reroll line 2 on shoes maybe?

[torn pumice]

eh he will prob just gem to take it back, think with him cp deficit is the only way

[near plank]

where are the besti pvp clips

i need people to convince me to invest in her (sunk cost fallacy)

[keen vapor]

No

[near plank]

[limber silo]

Is Vesti SSSSSSSSSSSSS tier?

wrong answers only

[glad meteor]

ez skip. Pve unit

[pale knoll]

#pvp-arena message

[shell hazel]

did we work out what the burst gen is iike yet vs say xmaiden?

[glad meteor]

Chrck kosmiu burst gen calc

[lunar pawn]

her gen is ass

how much CS does she need to fit 2 shots in 2RL?

[onyx scaffold]

btw i would rather invest in emilia cs than vesti cs -. -

but i won't do either. no rock

[lunar pawn]

yea I'm broke

and surface content keeps getting delayed, so no saving grace there

[signal hull]

So is Vesti absolutely safe to invest into? We sure she's good in pvp? Speaking mostly SpA here, don't care about rest.

[atomic wolf]

yeah

[fathom rock]

[shell hazel]

noo @coarse solstice 🙁

[fathom rock]

@coarse solstice

[signal hull]

Damn, I need to catch Rail for some questions...