pvp-arena

[thin abyss]

Is there a guide on how to use it properly? I want to upgrade my quantum cube to lvl 15 for CA

[spiral onyx]

Any burst gen calculator, see pins

[quick lake]

Quatum7 on ClipRL typically. Can always ask here

[thin abyss]

The 101% means I'll always enter into full burst in 2RL time, right? I don't know what the small percentages below mean

[near plank]

how to beat this team consistently?

[thin abyss]

The same team, but use Emilia instead of SBS

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet Soda

[quick lake]

2rl scar

[whole pawn]

@quick lake @crystal flicker @fathom rock i m rank 18, stnc 323, everyone from rank 15 to challenger is atleast 341, , they have atleast 2 teams having a difference of 100k cp from mines, do i try the hard way qnd open boxes to rrwch the powerspike? or just ignore pvp cuz noahless

[fathom rock]

Regardless you should be pushing campaign and opening boxes after

[crystal flicker]

There's plenty of option without Noah, and yes push campaign then open boxes

Esp we have BayT

[near plank]

ill try later

[ruby iris]

Should I invest in Moran, Rapunz or Rosanna? All the other good pvp nikkes are invested in, but maybe I might need Rapunzel somewhere...?

All these are invested in (more or less ofc)

[shell hazel]

tempura to 8 here yesterday

hi Jaw

[dim escarp]

wait, just noticed dude send them in the wrong order

he really want to f* up his own vote lmao

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

vote predictions I'm not always right on haha, I still need the loser frame

I got the winner frame only because I backed myself and won the CA once 😄

I'm trying to do the opposite atm

[dim escarp]

[shell hazel]

I can take a look if you have a corrected version

[swift mango]

Replace SBS+Noise with Emi+RH. Could also burst with HelmT instead.

Soda+Scar+Trina 2rl

5rl Cindy with Cindy p1.

Basically just Scar+Trina+RH 2rl.

Nero + Moran stall

Moran+Biscuit+S.Anis

[dim escarp]

it's okay I think, it was less more rng with the good order one dude should win 4-1 according to me

[shell hazel]

good luck on your matches today Jaw, I think I win easily this one but next opponent looks more difficult for sure

[nocturne canyon]

Hi, anyone can do defense team for me?

[wise horizon]

Need advice second opinion before I attack. This looks good?

[obtuse dagger]

looks good to me

[crystal flicker]

You don't seem like you need them, unless you want to build Stall comp or Rosa for CA SG Comp

[whole pawn]

i heard that its not mandatory

[whole pawn]

for how long

[crystal flicker]

She's budget Noah

[whole pawn]

i meant the treasure

[fathom rock]

Predict this

[whole pawn]

that its not really necessary for her

[fathom rock]

Till you can get in range for 102/h then you might have to consider hoarding till 102/h comes

Which is still a long road ahead

[whole pawn]

so no need for me to hoard?for now?

[fathom rock]

Not yet you should be pushing and you can push a good bit

Say does your locel internet cafe let you run nikke I might have to go there then

[whole pawn]

i dobt have a local internet cafe nearby...

beaides i cant push because of 23-14, the whoel stage is just piercing benefit, my rrh does absolutely nothing, or because of fps wall

[glad meteor]

Right win?

Indom going to noir on t2 is problem

[crystal flicker]

Can just auto t3 if the cp too low

[fathom rock]

But rh can't go through any one that Indoms

[glad meteor]

Oh yeah

[glad meteor]

R
R
R
L
L

Me thinks

[fathom rock]

Hmm same as railtracer, interesting

[gaunt pulsar]

am i missing some crucial piece of information or Cin is giga bugged? how she bursts without going into full burst? jackal is dead and doesn't bursts crown/s doro/cin/blanc left (dont mind the lineup, 160 wall shenanigans), so no burst 1 left, how does she still burst?

[fathom rock]

Ok but who is cin

[gaunt pulsar]

cinderella

[fathom rock]

Jackal simply bursted before dying
Also jackal dying implies most like other peeps died

[gaunt pulsar]

there no visual of her bursting though and it doesn't take that long to kill especially with rosanna

[fathom rock]

<@&946725432554836008>

Thank u

[fathom rock]

She definitely bursted if your cindy bursted tho

[icy ridge]

Can anyone help me with making 3 teams for pvp?

Ik Im missing a lot of characters but I last made my pvp teams before I pulled some characters so I was hoping that wouldve changed

[crystal flicker]

I believe you need to focus PvE more than PvP, and ppl barely gonna attack you at SP because it's returnee zone
T3 just auto, and if you have extra Quantum cube, you can give DrakeT to make them 2RL-ish

[runic coral]

guys what rookie def team are we using :3

[fathom rock]

I make the very sane choice of using it to test teams instead of being real about it

[wise horizon]

I made a mistake in my last message. I meant this one. Any second opinion before I attack?

[fathom rock]

How's scar invest I recall from last time there was "issues"

[gaunt pulsar]

nah, i'm without cindy, and in attack on a dude, but yea.. rewatching recording and her burst buffs do appear on teammates right as she dies, no chains appear though, it's actual 1 frame burst though

[crystal flicker]

T3 auto for CP pad comp
You can build Ein, she'll be useful for PvE and decent PvP Nuke

[nocturne canyon]

Oke thx

[icy ridge]

so wb teams 1 and 2

[nocturne canyon]

Btw what cubes do i give other than the one that already have cube

[fathom rock]

Scar gonna need crit to win t3 probs

[crystal flicker]

Highest level cube

[wise horizon]

It’s invested better than last time

[wicked burrow]

hi guys, it's been a long time since I changed my def teams and I got some new things so maybe there's an optimization to what I have

and the stash

[strong mulch]

guys what the best def team now in special arena?

[wise horizon]

Or put scar team against T1. Think I will attack faster

[crystal flicker]

Ideally Ein should be instead of DoroS, but she might drag T1 power down, so for the meantime DoroS should suffice

[fathom rock]

This will only work if they didn't invest too much into cs

[crystal flicker]

The optimization is template PvP comp
Scarlet Trina 2RL
Noah Cindy 2RL
Blanc 2.5RL
Stall 2.5RL
CP pad

[icy ridge]

These are my teams right now

[wind kelp]

Someone really wanted my 5th spot :p

[strong mulch]

can share ur team def?

[crystal flicker]

Just use 2 teams above and auto for the 3rd team, if it's new bracket that should be enough to keep you around top 10

[wicked burrow]

gonna check thanks

[icy ridge]

alright thanks

[wind kelp]

If i remember when i log in later

[crystal flicker]

There's template comp in pins by Rheax

[wicked burrow]

yeah I found it

but whats blanc 2.5rl team? there only 3rl are mentioned

[crystal flicker]

2 Clip RL with 18% Charge Speed will carry 3RL to 2.5

[wicked burrow]

I can try using these but 3rd team gonna be low on cp it feels, like 580k orso

I kinda not sure about noah in the cindy team cuz they burst fast anyway and probably kill any team regardless but what do I know

[crystal flicker]

Yes Trina needs OL

[wicked burrow]

well thats not really an issue

sadly I've spent todays rocks

[wise horizon]

Hmmm in that case, any suggestions?

[wicked burrow]

just gonan do it tomorrow

overall should these work better than mine rn?

[crystal flicker]

That's pretty smoll CP for 386 tho

[fathom rock]

You can just indom emi vs t1

[wicked burrow]

well lines are far from good on mostly all non meta chars here, purely pvp chars just have what they got on OLing the gear

[crystal flicker]

Formation wise it's better, but you really need those extra CP

[obtuse dagger]

did you forgot bro?

[fathom rock]

Emi/blanc/rh/clip sg/jackal
Emi less hp than rh

[wicked burrow]

guess since pve lines dont roll as well I might invest some in pvp

[wicked burrow]

I know it's for reference now

[crystal flicker]

And I'd put Noise P1 instead of Noah

Coz Siren

[wicked burrow]

okay thanks

honestly I'll give it a try as it is

cuz no one but the guys who anyway win against me fight me now

[fathom rock]

And need make sure emi is linked

[wicked burrow]

so whats the difference if they win anyway, maybe they wont

okay its much lower than I expected, but well, just have to ol both of them

[crystal flicker]

Yeh PvP is investment check

[fathom rock]

Pvp is wallet check

[crystal flicker]

I'm pretty sure my Scarlet comp is unbeatable, unless 2RL Blanc lol

[fathom rock]

@umbral belfry

[obtuse dagger]

blanc came in clutch LOL

[wicked burrow]

interesting that this team is actually 2.5

or wait

whats the spark in the left corner

I thought it was quantum but you put it on the top

[crystal flicker]

Give Quantum to Jackal and Trina, it's 2RL from Feed

[wicked burrow]

jackas has it

okay I checked it's high cs

[obtuse dagger]

15% - 18% i think correct me if im wrong

[crystal flicker]

This new bracket really put me afk at C3 lol

[near plank]

i dont think i can copy your suggestions

the CP gap is

[crystal flicker]

Scarlet 2RL cook that tho

[near plank]

ok who ever recommended the emilia team is griefing itried fighting the same team with lower cp dif

[near plank]

what specific ver

[obtuse dagger]

bro try putting mermaid here to disable noah

[near plank]

this ?

[crystal flicker]

Just 2RL Scarlet beat that, 2.5 Noah wont even catch up

Ofc it's better if you have more CS on Scarlet comp

[near plank]

man peoples advice always miss

the enemy team is 2 rl noah

[crystal flicker]

It's not 2RL

[near plank]

look at scarlet damage

im literally watching it have noah burst before scarlet burst

how else can you explain the screenshot

[near plank]

yeah no

explain how scarlet gets blocked then

and its not cp deficit

[quick lake]

Deficit? Scarlet not linked? why our Scar dealing so little dmg

[near plank]

not to mention this mu

[near plank]

scarlet is definitely linked

scarlet burst gets blocked

look at their hp literally full

can people not look at screenshots before spouting random nonesense LOL

i thought peopel here were smart

[scarlet adder]

jackal dont get that much feed, there is zero smg, shotguns or mgs

[near plank]

my scarlet went off 2rl

[crystal flicker]

25% CS

[near plank]

i guess people wont understand till i show a video

ffs time to lose again

[crystal flicker]

Just use Soda smh

[near plank]

give the exact team

[crystal flicker]

Soda Jackal Trina Centi Scarlet

[near plank]

4th advice that doesnt work

lets see if you make it 5th

[crystal flicker]

kekw

[near plank]

JUST USE 2 RL SCARLET

WTF YOU NOOB

[crystal flicker]

What kind of person have 25% CS on Noah and HelmT tho

[near plank]

bsoda or regular soda

[crystal flicker]

Regular soda ofc

[near plank]

welp i dont have that LOL

is there a more normal team suggestion

[scarlet adder]

it is just rookie chill 😄

[near plank]

well people saying its ez to counter specific teams

in shambles cause they cant suggest a team that kills this

[crystal flicker]

I said Soda tho

I mean that comp shouldn't be 2RL by nature, but if Noah block 2RL Scarlet then he has 25% CS

[scarlet adder]

maybe siren? just don't put her in p1, p2 cause noise will taunt her

[near plank]

2 rl scarlet wins surely

[scarlet adder]

hmm maybe this but i am a noob

[covert lintel]

Me soon

[crystal flicker]

Also for those who doubt stall comp

[grand plaza]

Thanks, but I think team 2 and 3 has to low CP like this.

[near plank]

how to beat this @worthy knoll

[grand plaza]

Also second team has indom problems now so I think I should keep Alice, or maybe RH instead of drake?

[crystal flicker]

You can just Auto T3, as for T2 you can try burst with RH instead of Blanc if you want more CP
The team will be like ScarBS RH Drake Centi Jackal, just make sure ScarBS linked to Jackal

[grand plaza]

For defense its better idea to create 3 good teams instead of 2 very good teams right?

[crystal flicker]

or maybe Keeping Blanc is better if she's not dragging CP down

[grand plaza]

She third highest CP b2

[wise horizon]

What is that?

[crystal flicker]

You need Noah for that tho, cp pad might be best option since 25% deficit can beat anything in PvP lol

[scarlet adder]

check pins

[grand plaza]

Yeah sadly I miss many key PVP nikkes

[crystal flicker]

ScarBS Blanc RH Centi Jackal then

[grand plaza]

352k - 367k- 357k

Imo its either 2 or 3, considering I will use Alice this way as well as she is my second highest cp unit, and I will save RH for others.

Second team not too comfortable 3RL but 3rd team is pretty much guaranteed unless its 5 rl right?

[covert lintel]

P3 trina p2 helm

[crystal flicker]

You need Centi there

It's guarantee 3RL with that, if your enemy has AR/SMG/SG

[grand plaza]

Isn't third team is guaranteed 3RL as well if enemy has one AR+

[crystal flicker]

Yes, 1 AR/SMG/SG

But against full RL/SR, it's not enough

Though Quantum might helps to fill the gap

[quick lake]

Idk. Maybe some Helm double proc bug

[scarlet adder]

all those vesti strong in pvp forecasts are with vesti alone or her with other two?

[quick lake]

vesti alone

Initial vesti calcs make her a monster. But gotta wait

[grand plaza]

I think its good enough for my bracket, this way I can save Centi for other teams as well

[crystal flicker]

Will she replace ScarBS in Blanc comp

[grand plaza]

Btw whats with this %7.1 - %10.65?

[crystal flicker]

The feeds

[grand plaza]

Its for if enemy has CS?

[grand plaza]

I mean why 2 different numbers

[quick lake]

She’s a better Emi/laplace possibly

[crystal flicker]

First number for hitting 1 linked target, Second for hitting 2 target (P1 + P2 Linked)

[grand plaza]

Really? Fast burst gen thanks to her 4 shot?

[grand plaza]

Ooh ok, then isn't this also guaranted?

[quick lake]

Still need to wait for actual testing, but good burst gen + very hard hitting speculated

[crystal flicker]

Don't choose Emi, she hit more targets, but yeah if that's Quantum 7 then it's 3RL

[grand plaza]

I was going to skip Vesti after getting extremely lucky with other 2, but now I am not sure again

[grand plaza]

Yep, I invest quantum to 7 for these days

[quick lake]

Idk. Might be due to the current double proc bug. But
Scar - Soda - Jackal should work nonetheless

[shell hazel]

I still don't really see how as she has such a long wind up time she will contribute 0 burst gen, rest of the team needs to carry her to burst

sure she could be good aoe/dmg once you burst but emi works as a secondary high burst gen battery as well as being dps if you want her to be

[quick lake]

We suspect hits 3 targets, like Emi

[shell hazel]

emi with high CS allows you to run much quicker indom natively

vesti will need an expensive team of batteries

[quick lake]

Vesti’s s2 should proc across 3 targets

So that’s 9 instance of burst gen per shot

Well, we’ll see. Just initial math

[shell hazel]

but 2s before she even fires

[grand plaza]

I think from whats left, this is the best team.

385k CP, 3RL with 2 quantum

I am just not sure with order

[shell hazel]

her best team speed might be slower and timed to get burst ready when her shots land. will need to see when her hits actually add any burst gen

2RL is 152F, 2 seconds is 120F

[quick lake]

Yeah, my worry is her 2s charge. Probably 3 shots in 2RL is what im guessing

[glad glade]

This is the decisive match of my cheer. You think the sanis gang would survive SBS long enough for Siren’s stun to wear off so Moran could burst?

Both are 3 RL

[shell hazel]

I think right wins

[grand plaza]

No, because there is currently a bug.

[glad glade]

What bug?

[shell hazel]

moran will be unable to burst due to siren so they'll be sitting ducks

I don't see how right loses that

[glad glade]

Sweet, thanks

[shell hazel]

also they're likely quicker than 3RL due to emi CS

[quick lake]

right should win due to stun

[glad glade]

Thought so. Thanks guys!

[shell hazel]

2.5RL with CS on Centi and a bit on Emi

[glad glade]

Nah no way Centi has the proper CS to pull that off. Only 80k CP, not even fully OL’ed

[shell hazel]

i'm curious and will keep an eye on her kit when she lands, if she is pvp meta I'll probably try for MLB if I can (need a lot of luck lol)

ah yeah very possible she doesn't then

funny how these people in CA with clearly built units but they abandon centi 😄

then you have 62K anis and the others on left don't look that built either

[glad glade]

The fate of a burst battery unit 😔

[shell hazel]

my centi

[glad glade]

Beautiful. All of them

[shell hazel]

thanks 😄

my LB0 SBS could do with being swapped out (maybe for MLB vesti) 😛

[glad glade]

I’ll work on mine once I guarentee a spot on 3% in SR

[shell hazel]

I can't get dupes for her, I had to mileage the only one I had on the NY banner lol

[glad glade]

I’m kind of excited for her. Good burst gen, powerful attacks. Gonna help me in OC infinite too

[shell hazel]

I definitely want to build my pve and SR out more but I imagine I'll spend the rest of 2025 building my pvp to get it reasonably strong, after that I shouldn't need to invest in new units for it often and can pivot more to pve

only a few months to go and I think in that time I'd achieve what I wanted to

[glad glade]

Lets goooo. I’m in the same boat too, but reversed. Focusing on PvE, but considering my position in the last SR I think I can finally begin fully pivoting to PvP. At least once I finish up building Siren, RRH, and RH to nab the indivilia and ultra titles

[grand plaza]

2 questions about this team

Should I make Siren b1 here because Rumani is pretty low investment and I am afraid she might die too fast and not create burst gen

And do you think should I change Crown with Biscuit and lose 40k cp (410k to 370k)

[shell hazel]

yeah I sacrified a lot to get here but I keep up on campaign just fine and hard mode

[glad glade]

Those ele lines are awful

[glad glade]

No pain no gain

[shell hazel]

at 30-6 hard mode at sync 371, by 381 I can do 30 hard mode to the boss at least

[glad glade]

Thats actually not that bad. In fact, its actually a bit high

[shell hazel]

yeah am 2nd in progress on my SPA campaign wise, one guy beats me a bit but he's 381

[glad glade]

381 is possible for Crystal chamber 2 if your OLs give high enough CP. I didn’t, and I was completely checked out of ch 30 so I just threw all of my core dust to sync 400 once I reached the ch 30 benchmark

[shell hazel]

I think I could get stuck there a bit but it's fine

not like I can rush through 32 either anyway

bigger wall there

[shell hazel]

not really an easy answer cp can count for a lot, crown adds feed which opponent can take advantage of

but crown pads cp and gives you a good b2 buff/shield

biscuit alone won't get you to 2.5RL but if Helm had some CS it could do

[glad glade]

Just as a warning, there are a fair bit of utter BS stages in ch 30. Any stage involving the invisible bombers is downright unfair and will require an incredible amount of malding at say around 40% deficit

[grand plaza]

Yeah I guess its better to keep Crown for now until better Biscuit and maybe CS for helm

[glad glade]

You’ll probably have an easier time since you’re not playing on mobile lmao

[shell hazel]

some cs on rumani also counts as well, you can get accurate speed from the work site https://nikke.work/

[grand plaza]

Yeah I saw this butt it just looked a bit too confusing and I didn't had time to check throughly.

Btw what do you think about first question, Rumani has R0 doll

[shell hazel]

yeah it's one reason I may just wait for 381 here, I should be at less deficit then

your whole team will suffer from being weak as no real def

you could just siren p1 and let rumani backup b1 at p5 if siren dies

people usually run noise with cindy due to hp buff and makes you a bit tankier

[glad glade]

If you’re over 700k CP, I think you should be fine. I did mine above 381 sync, but my CP was around 680k so I trudged through 40-43% deficit territory almost the entire way

[shell hazel]

I am not lol

680K ish as well not worth the mald imo

[grand plaza]

Another nikke I need to invest

I was thinking to make %3 safe spot on SR's then focus PVP but idk, maybe I should prioritize PVP first because now I am moved to 7-10 instead of 4-6

And yeah Siren p1 it is then

[shell hazel]

if she is sr-15 she'll also tank a bit, give her a tempura cube for good measure

the work site isn't actually that complicated, main thing to check is burst ready / b1 / b2 / b3 dots

[glad glade]

If you’re at 680k at sync 371, then I think you’ll have enough CP to get under 40% deficit by 381. You’ll be fine with your plan

[grand plaza]

Yeah I just saw and add to bookmarks for now, gonna check few days later

[shell hazel]

your biscuit ver, so where the first dot is for burst ready is the speed indicator

this is natively a bit quicker than 3RL

crown version is exactly 3RL

you can experiment with adding CS (and you can use your actual CS values as well) to see how the burst timers move

[grand plaza]

Nikke deck shows as %112 for 3RL

[shell hazel]

yeah which means it hits 3RL and then doesn't need excess

so it's 3RL on the nose for burst time

[grand plaza]

Gonna check again later 👍

Btw one last question, what would you make the order here?

[shell hazel]

one last thing, you can see that the biggest impact to speeding up crown ver is CS on rumani, at least a bit speeds you up

note her dot lands exactly at 3RL which is when the burst is ready

[grand plaza]

I really don't have excess rocks to give lines on PVP chars now :/

[shell hazel]

cindy/crown add very little burst gen, Helm shot will have already landed

so we're 228F to burst with this comp

Rumani 5% CS will speed this up a bit

228 frames down to 216F just because her shot lands sooner

[grand plaza]

Why there is no Doro in the site yet

[shell hazel]

you can use a placeholder she has same burst gen as others like Naga I think

yeah it's exactly the same as Naga

[grand plaza]

Wtf there is no Naga as well

[shell hazel]

click the eye icon on the right

it doesn't show all units by default for some reason

doro still missing though but naga should be there

for the speed btw, you'll see the limitations of CS sometimes, for the crown ver to burst quicker you need to speed up rumani and Helm

these two dots, if you make CS on Rumani really high like 20%, it won't actually speed you up as it will instead be waiting for Helm shot to land

now we burst when Helm lands

[grand plaza]

I think I get the point

[shell hazel]

I don't like to use this all the time it's a pain to setup

but can use to fine-tune how much CS you need on a team to hit certain speeds

deck is much easier for a quick idea

[grand plaza]

Yeah this is definitely more for fine tuning OL lines etc. to better PVP without too much rocks

[shell hazel]

yep 100% - I like to not roll CS sometimes if my lines are good/cp padding well

I think some units do benefit from a universal high CS set though, HelmT, Jackal (used in many comps), Noah (same reason) and Centi/Trina

Biscuit etc is more niche and mine has 0% CS 😛

for your other question one sec

[grand plaza]

I considered giving HelmT some CS but considering she needs Ele-Atk for pve as well I think it will be too expensive to make

So I guess I will ignore CS for her and go for Jackal etc. instead

[quick lake]

helm expensive af if u pve main too

[shell hazel]

you can try for all of them it's mainly Ele and CS you want with her, a bit of atk is good but not mandatory

yeah, or aim for a lower CS standard like 10-11%

[shell hazel]

p1 might die, you want RH to b1 and backup all bursts but I think positionally it's fine, maybe Centi p3

so put your b3's in order of what you want to actually fire as they could die off lol

[grand plaza]

p1 will most likely die, and I am not sure which one would be a better b3 from there

[shell hazel]

not RH as it risks her doing b2

which is very fatal in pvp

[grand plaza]

Make centi b2 and doro b3?

OR maybe make RH both b2 and b3 and live with lifesteal?

[shell hazel]

it's fatal

don't recommend

centi p3, rh p4, your best non-burst b3 on p5

1/2 hopefully they survive and one of them can burst lol - ideally p1 with SR-15

[grand plaza]

But wouldn't it be a bad idea to burst with Doro when she is p2?

If she is going to burst better make her p3 and let Centi tank a little bit at the start?

[shell hazel]

but if centi dies then you b2 with rh and gg

it depends how tanky your centi is

this team is kind of cope anyway you have no defence against the meta comps

[grand plaza]

If my first 2 nikke dies until 3SR I pretty much guaranteed to lose anyway

And yeah this is leftovers team

[shell hazel]

loses to 2rl scar, 2-3rl cindy/noah, 3rl indom or maybe even slower

just cp pad it as best you can

[grand plaza]

Its good enough if they can take 2rl scar from other teams

[restive heart]

top attacker
bottom defender

who will win?

[shell hazel]

it's too blurry to see 😄

[covert lintel]

i'll get so many ssr molds next month

[shell hazel]

i'm tempted to hold onto mine until the next standard banner update with the newer absolute units at least

I don't really need much apart from dupes

[covert lintel]

[grand plaza]

This is how I started btw

#pvp-arena message

And this is the end result

[covert lintel]

When is it?

[shell hazel]

basically 3 x 3RL sbs one should feed to 3RL

[quick lake]

U reminded me to do my towers

[shell hazel]

not this month certainly - not sure but they won't do it until the banners end

[grand plaza]

[shell hazel]

mind you the mold updates is later september anyway

oh are they updating the store as well? not spending those was probably sensible lol

[covert lintel]

1000 mold??

[grand plaza]

Yeah they will chance. Not if you already exchanged tho 💀

[shell hazel]

I was just buying mine as I wanted some units/dupes as I went along, I get a reasonable number of ord tickets over time and just blow them all on major updates or when more units get added for wishlist

I have about 120 ord tickets atm

[grand plaza]

Nah 825 or sth

[grand plaza]

Holt f have you ever used them ever lol

[shell hazel]

I don't think I've even had 805K of those in all of the time I've been playing lol

[grand plaza]

3350 molds

[covert lintel]

I think their intent is for lower sync to buy pop up mold that happens every 10 floors
Now that we can get guaranteed mold, the sale of that thing will surely skyrocket

[shell hazel]

the pop up shop isn't being changed

[grand plaza]

I spend all after new treasures, 170 I think.

Got one dupe for Tove which was good, but no Manchor which was bad :/

Thankfully I get her from friend gatcha 2 days ago lol

[shell hazel]

which is weird as you'd think they'd sell more of them if they were the 100% manufacturer molds

[grand plaza]

Actually no, they will stay old molds

[shell hazel]

I'm storing my social points for now as well I have over 500

[grand plaza]

500 pull or point?

[shell hazel]

points, so 50

will gather some more

it sounded to me like the manufacturer towers would still give the old ones on each floor

but the floor checkpoints would give the new ones

maybe I misunderstood that but it's how it seemed to me

[grand plaza]

Opposite, manu towers will give new ones but checkpoints will give olds

[shell hazel]

hmm so how do we get to 50 manufacturer molds if we lack a few?

[covert lintel]

But they have manufacturer perfect mold right?

[shell hazel]

also I mean the floor checkpoints as in every 10 levels you get the new ones

and not the pop up shop ones

[grand plaza]

Overall from what I understand every mold you get from manu is new ones, but pop up ones are old

[shell hazel]

pop up is old yes

[covert lintel]

This means that general mold gets replaced with new mold

[shell hazel]

this reads like the per floor rewards will still be the old ones

[grand plaza]

Wait let me reread

Yeah you are right

[shell hazel]

but maybe they will update those, there will 100% be perfect molds at certain floor clears

it's not actually totally clear tbh even from just reading what it said

[grand plaza]

No I was wrong, what Hippo said is right

It will be like 1-9 old manu molds, 10th cp new mold and so on

[shell hazel]

that could well be the case

otherwise it's all the new molds maybe but it's not really obvious

[grand plaza]

Probably 10th floor is old + new mold actually

Thats worse than I first thought tbh

[shell hazel]

but I mean we do get new free molds so that is still a win of sorts

like it's better than what we have now

and if you cleared a bunch of floors already you should just get a bunch of free stuff

[grand plaza]

Thats right, but its still worse than CN version so there is that. I thought it was same as CN version first.

I guess it can change depends on numbers tho, I will wait and see the details first

[shell hazel]

room for improvement, actually a lot of the new features they announced are some what useless to me lol

bulk limit break? I barely get any spare bodies 😄

but I'll take a minor victory for now

[grand plaza]

Yeah all those "one tap" que is pretty much ded to me but doesn't hurt as well so why not

[shell hazel]

better for new players

speaking of they really should add the CN beginner roll banner

that would help new players a lot

[grand plaza]

Considering it takes months to add those "one tap" features, I wouldn't hold my breath :/

[fathom rock]

@swift mango

Least whaling guy in challenger

[tropic summit]

that's doa- oh.

that dude has more CP than mine 501

treasure units + max doll + near max core does that

[shell hazel]

just cp pad nonsense though

[fathom rock]

Bro his other teams above 1m and they have blue dolls 😭

[tropic summit]

welcome to the reality of this game

nothing makes sense and it is not worth bothering with

[shell hazel]

sounds just like real life lol

[tropic summit]

stick to opponents that actually want to play the game instead of those that want free ticket to win

if anything you can pity those, (money) slaves to the game

[fathom rock]

That leaves me with.... Idk who is even left

[shell hazel]

the true enemy, is thyself

[tropic summit]

ur bracket is well cursed beyond reasonable

[fathom rock]

Just this guy on alt ig

[tropic summit]

"arena research alt"

[shell hazel]

I dunno who even has the time to raise a whole research alt lol

[swift mango]

Your CP is pretty low for your synch. I could beat him at your synch.

[tropic summit]

then there's blood with his obvious common sense

just don't bother using him as a benchmark

[fathom rock]

That's cuz I gave up on pvp ressonably

[tropic summit]

pve main is the way

[shell hazel]

I'd be in range right now Retro 😛

at 371

[fathom rock]

Even my pve teams are cp gapped lmao

At 870k

[shell hazel]

I can't do 870K, but 723K is in range of me

[fathom rock]

Mf I have whales in diamond now

This bracket is such a crisis

[tropic summit]

did you open a support ticket like i told you?

[fathom rock]

I got no response

[tropic summit]

ask them to force reshuffle in 3 months and tell them what you're matched with

because this really needs external help

[swift mango]

I mean one guy in my CA right now is currently diamond in my SpA.

[shell hazel]

the last CA they ever get to play in :S

my whale seems to spend long periods offline so as long as I can beat their teams I'll always beat them in the end

[fathom rock]

I respect this pvp invested fella making it to ca with a bricked union (he gems 200-3000 gems a day)

[tropic summit]

that's the right way of playing the game

do dailies, do your attacks, piss off to an actual game

[shell hazel]

thing is camping retake isn't worth it

[tropic summit]

those players have my respect, because that's how common sense should be

[shell hazel]

if I lose to them I won't hit back right away

[fathom rock]

I just check every now and then while doing something else and get greeted like this

[shell hazel]

they'll just do the same, I can just wait/attack again near reset

[tropic summit]

the nonsense of camping it out, sniping, gemming, waiting and stalking on people activite times, that's what this game pushes but it's beyond toxic and shouldn't be supported

yet you're forced to use poison to fight poison exactly because the game allows it

[shell hazel]

they're in asia I think just based on the fact they're always offline overnight

don't even need to camp their activity times to see it

[tropic summit]

my asian dude is always online pre reset and it's 4-5AM to them

you just need to find the right kind of special snowflake

[fathom rock]

How do you know his timezone...

[shell hazel]

if I hit them at reset they don't seem to hit back until the next morning

[tropic summit]

it's CH region, it's account says so

he literally types in CH in his bio and on his blabla

[fathom rock]

Same too they seem to hit me around 7am - 10pm

[shell hazel]

yeah mine has CN also in his message

[fathom rock]

But that's the time I'm awake lmao

[shell hazel]

but even if I lose to them I will just wait a bit, like a war of switch back and forth, if I know I won't hit back for a few hours I can worry about other stuff anyway

[tropic summit]

meaningless

[shell hazel]

as long as they don't gap me too much I can hit them back

[fathom rock]

Bro fighting for 1st while he in 2nd

[tropic summit]

it's the game not the player anyway

[shell hazel]

it's all meaningless

[tropic summit]

the game allows it, so why shouldn't he

the player needs the right ruleset or motivation to not be toxic, else you're 100% guaranteed some of them will do exactly that

[shell hazel]

it's more inconvenient for them anyway as I'm active on reset for my dailies and it's not stupid o'clock in the morning

for them like you say it's really early, and waking up just to do some arena stuff then is not worth anyones time

[tropic summit]

the whole dueling for top positioning back and forth is dumb for several reasons:

-attack will always win on defense, unless CP gapped
-there's no grace periods or countering mechanics that can make a defense work differently from the previous same one, which makes defenses limited in number, reducing their effectiveness over time
-the meta is stale, meaning you'll always have the same experience

[fathom rock]

It's to encourage whaling

[shell hazel]

I don't even bother changing my def teams

[tropic summit]

they're selling a product, so yep

[shell hazel]

no point, they're not getting any new learning xp out of fighting my same teams each time

[tropic summit]

exactly, meaningless

[fathom rock]

On global I don't even bother doing rookie anymore

I just cheer with the flow

[shell hazel]

I normally cheer with the flow to save time but I need to get the loser frame

[fathom rock]

Need huh

[shell hazel]

I have the other one, so yep 😛

need it

[fathom rock]

Blood still have a point tho my global got one of the worst thelm power wise

[shell hazel]

lmao

I think mine has more...

[fathom rock]

I aint changing these

[sweet nexus]

Hello Enriched Hippos

[fathom rock]

I have no incentive to

[shell hazel]

who dis? 😮

[fathom rock]

Anne

[sweet nexus]

Hooman!

[fathom rock]

My alt thelm is 130k at sync 337 lmao

[shell hazel]

yep I'd win 😄

[fathom rock]

Ok I can't ignore the C6 tho

[sweet nexus]

Helm on top

[shell hazel]

honestly I got some copies with silver mileage but she just seems to appear a lot for me

I've had her a couple of times on the social pulls

she's not left the wishlist either

c6 is my highest core nikke, I don't have any c7

[fathom rock]

Do you know what my highest core is

[shell hazel]

8!

[fathom rock]

It's 4 and it's drake lmao

[shell hazel]

no max cores yet

Noah I just dupe with silver mileage

[fathom rock]

My noah c1 without any mileage spent

[sweet nexus]

I guess its from the drake event??

[shell hazel]

I only had noah actually show up once

[fathom rock]

Noah has showed up 5 times, imagine the trauma

[sweet nexus]

[fathom rock]

Is sr15 noah the norm now

[shell hazel]

I invest in all my pvp core units

I mean I will be using Noah for a long time may as well

[glad meteor]

Have you got harvester s9

[fathom rock]

Yes

[glad meteor]

Fair

[fathom rock]

My helm sucks and I won't fix her till my backlog is fixed and I actually need the cp

[glad meteor]

I think I nearly got it with

Crown sdoro siren xlud mmast

[sweet nexus]

K

[fathom rock]

Cuz fixing my cp would still get me nowhere in this dumb bracket without going pure pvp

[glad meteor]

But i already have title

[fathom rock]

Xlud out for thelm

[glad meteor]

So didn’t mald again

[glad meteor]

My helm nuke misses , i don’t clear mobs

[fathom rock]

Then clear them

[glad meteor]

But I’m mobile gaming

[shell hazel]

[glad meteor]

I could technically pause scum

[fathom rock]

https://youtu.be/UENUuStovh8

[sweet nexus]

[glad meteor]

But I ady have title. So I can wait for sr15 sdoro to clear ez for fun

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[fathom rock]

What i do have a reason to invest tho is mihara unironically

I totally dumped 51 rocks on 1 piece trying to get a 1st line atk

[shell hazel]

yeah the rng on rocks kills me sometimes honestly

wish we had a time gated item that would let us add a stat anywhere we wanted

maybe we only get 1 per month or something but it means you can avoid that kind of thing

also it should cycle through every stat possibility or something, 51 rocks to roll a line 1 once is pain

[glad meteor]

i got 4 ele on her yesterday

[fathom rock]

Meanwhile my alt, I wonder if I should get cores on rapu

[glad meteor]

SR15 moran

[fathom rock]

I sr15 moran nero and working on ols for the comp

[shell hazel]

my rapu only 2LB

[glad meteor]

I want indi s9 but I need to wait for a better mmast flex

[shell hazel]

MLB is fine 😄

[fathom rock]

Its the only way I'm surviving this dumb bracket

[shell hazel]

my nero is 0LB :S

I don't feel I need core max but damn she's just a normal unit lol, MLB is reasonable

[fathom rock]

[shell hazel]

even your f2p alt got more nero copies 😄

[glad meteor]

Brick

[fathom rock]

I'll kick drake for centi dupes

[shell hazel]

you don't really need more tove either tbh

[swift mango]

I don't have Poli.

[shell hazel]

you don't need Poli really I'd say

[fathom rock]

Hey i wanna maintain my 3%

[swift mango]

She also normal unit, and I played longer than you.

[shell hazel]

I'm missing best girl Viper

her and Sora are the main ones I think though Sora is more understandable as she's new

[fathom rock]

Hmm drake dupes more useful next raid

But tove dupes useful every raid

[shell hazel]

she's a b1 though she's not really there for dps right?

more for her skills

[fathom rock]

When she has like 80% of her caster atk as a buff....

[shell hazel]

2LB with treasure and basic build probably works

c7 is like 10-15% more stats

from 0lb, you part of the way there with 2lb

[swift mango]

16%

[fathom rock]

That's 10% more atk buff on the high end

[shell hazel]

retro skill will make up for the 10%

normal players will not keep up 😄

[fathom rock]

How about retro skill + 10%

[shell hazel]

too strong. nerf time

[swift mango]

It's diluted anyway

[fathom rock]

I am mobile handicap bro

[fathom rock]

It is but it's still more dmg

[shell hazel]

lowkey I am going for another rapu dupe lol

[fathom rock]

Quiry?

Also rh over cindy

Bro baller in pvp

[shell hazel]

my cindy is like c2, sure she adds more with limits

but I feel like my 0lb rh is dragging me back a bit in pve

[fathom rock]

Fair

[shell hazel]

RH/SBS I'd stop by MLB if not before - besides it doesn't matter I don't get pilgrims on ordinary banner anyway

it's been a long time since I did, months ago

I think I burnt through 4-500 tickets since my last one

they tend to appear on random other banners, like I got a siren dupe on the 29 nier free tickets

[fathom rock]

Lucky

[shell hazel]

it's all up and down luck wise, I think my pilgrim luck has been pretty bad vs the number of pulls I've used

but also the game doesn't track the stats to show me like BD2 does

[fathom rock]

Send ss of all your pilgrim list rn

[shell hazel]

I don't have any pilgrims

https://tenor.com/view/skeletor-running-away-run-away-running-away-laughing-laughing-gif-21904123

[covert lintel]

So this is why you're sulking

You can't win with this kind of ppl except gemming

[shell hazel]

worth noting that I have had to mileage some

[fathom rock]

The f2p of my global bracket pays like 30-40 pulls worth in pvp per sesson

[shell hazel]

siren = 3 copies from mileage
cindy = 1 copy from mileage
doros = 3 copies from mileage
sbs = 1 copy from mileage

[fathom rock]

3 noah dupes, mob cindy siren sdoro all paid?

[shell hazel]

I used mileage on all noah dupes

[fathom rock]

All.....

[shell hazel]

apart from initial one obv

[covert lintel]

That's me when i first played nikke for the first time

[fathom rock]

Well I'd like to tell you
You have like 7 dupes more on these pilgrims than all my pilgrim + overspec combined

[shell hazel]

sure though we did establish I'm a spender, I've summoned a lot of tickets worth of pulls

most of my mlb stuff is done with the mileage as I don't get them in the pulls much

and most of my spending goes towards pulling resources as opposed to power levels

[covert lintel]

But only 3k maybe, just to maintain rank 1
So my salary is used for maintaining position

[fathom rock]

Said player is also in their own union as only member

[shell hazel]

according to the challenge screen I've summoned for nikkes 5314 times

some of those will be social/free ones naturally

[fathom rock]

You pulled more than my global thats older by 10 months lmao

[shell hazel]

yes it's where most of my spending goes though it does at least make some sense 😄

and despite that i've no core maxes or anything, imagine the spending some are doing to hit those

I have 330 mileage and 250 pulls ish left

[swift mango]

I feel like you are a mast believer and don't use RH outside of iron weak as well.

[shell hazel]

my mast remains to be built

I left her there as there were simply no other good options

[swift mango]

I mean, with RH 0lb, a max out MLB Mash is probably better for campaign

[shell hazel]

the new absolute squad would be good for my wishlist elysion side tbh, as I don't really need more dupes of the ones present there

yeah I think she may be also but it's just resources needed to get to similar cp

and sometimes RH b1 is incredibly strong still

[fathom rock]

Crown rhb1 mmast all together is an option yknow

[shell hazel]

if the stages allow me to get away without RH I can run cindy instead for more CP, it's varying whether this helps or not though

[swift mango]

That would be 1 per stage or no CDR.

[fathom rock]

Crown siren rh rrh mmast

[shell hazel]

this is my usual comp except helmT instad of mmast

[swift mango]

One per stage or no CDR.

[shell hazel]

problem is my helmT is my highest cp lol

[fathom rock]

Stall for a 2nd rhb1 use

[shell hazel]

often do that as well

[fathom rock]

And has cdr

[swift mango]

Then no CDR. CDR is pointless if you stall.

[fathom rock]

It has a point of letting rrh 3 and letting you do more than 2 bursts before stalling

[swift mango]

You burst with RRH 1 and you have to stall to burst with her against.

You could burst once with RH+Siren but that means no RH b1 in that burst.

So still equal to having CDR but no RH b1. What I said.

[fathom rock]

Rhb1 crown rrh
Siren crown rh
Siren mmast rrh
Siren crown rh if you still need it somehow
Stall
Rhb1 mast rrh

[swift mango]

Yeah, no contradictory here.

[shell hazel]

would need a long stall if you need 4th

[fathom rock]

It's rough to get a 4th burst . It's also as hard to need 4 bursts before stall

[shell hazel]

I do use similar now but without mmast, but along the same logic

just try and Helm b3 to stall so I can RH b1 into RRH b3

[fathom rock]

I usually opt for rhb1 and helmT instead in longer stages cuz then helmT can actually burst

But mmast is simply more damage if you don't nned that

[shell hazel]

I'm for now anyway will do chapter 30 hard when I 381

[fathom rock]

Got to 30-6?

[shell hazel]

I have

[fathom rock]

Is it fun

[shell hazel]

it is not

[wet basalt]

pls help me build a team for pvp. im still a week old so im not that good at building teams. im more focused on pve but i also want to have a decent team for pvp

[fathom rock]

You can absolutely do crown siren rh rrh mmast there

[shell hazel]

my mmast needs more building, like a lot more

if I add her now I - 80K cp 😄

[fathom rock]

Rumani being the pvp unit with hope in this ss......

[swift mango]

Just get lucky and 4 rock for 12 lines 11.

...And not 4 rocks for 5 lines 11 like me.

[shell hazel]

her gear needs OL to begin with

[fathom rock]

Helm stalling it is, an alice would be nice to have

[wet basalt]

i see

[shell hazel]

I have Alice I'm never that impressed with how my Alice does

but I could be skill issued

[swift mango]

Just 4 rock her and you have 12 line rank 11.

Believe!

[shell hazel]

I believe 😄

[fathom rock]

It's not totally impossible to have pvp teams just saying they won't be that good

[shell hazel]

better to focus campaign anyway early on

[fathom rock]

Yeah just don't bother

Not now

[shell hazel]

more outpost level = more resources for pvp where levels do matter

[swift mango]

Play on PC and install macro.

Join the right unions. The bigger one often provide you with their own macro.

[fathom rock]

M word

[covert lintel]

Campaign and tower

[wet basalt]

yea. i just want to have a decent one. or at least know a good unit so i can build for future

[fathom rock]

Tower is gem farm

[shell hazel]

haha I am aware of the macro thing but frankly I don't want to risk banning but also I don't feel like I need Alice that much anymore

I get through stuff without her just fine, and if I don't I usually just wait for a bit more power then I can

[fathom rock]

You lack almost all pvp meta options
Rumani and anis your best burst gen, followed by drake past that you'll use neon and product 23

[shell hazel]

you could wishlist the meta pvp units at least

[fathom rock]

[sleek root]

[fathom rock]

But don't hinder 160 wall too hard

[wet basalt]

i see. ill keep this unit for future i guess

[covert lintel]

That's the right way to catch up

[fathom rock]

I have too much gem on all my acc and I don't even push tower

Just manufacturer ones

[dusky epoch]

Which Harmony Cube i should build after Resilience and Bastion are level 15. Maybe i can try Piercing Cube ?

[covert lintel]

You just lazy

[placid bloom]

no such thing as too much gems

[swift mango]

At you synch level.

1 team with 5 SG, put your main burst in the middle

1 team with Ein bursted buffed by RH+Crown, Add Anis +Rumani for burst gen.

1 team Auto CP.

[shell hazel]

I underlined the key ones to wishlist, some are also pve useful (cindy,rh,siren,sbs,helm)

1 copy of Rapunzel at least is enough

[fathom rock]

I don't push tower cuz I don't need to

@dusky epoch pvp or pve?
Pvp would be lv7 quantum and tempering
Pve would be lv7 destruction or just save for lv20 resiliance

[wet basalt]

whats sg and cp?

[swift mango]

@keen vapor flex your 300k+ gem to this pleb

[fathom rock]

Shotgun and combat power

[wet basalt]

ill see what i can do. thanks for this

[shell hazel]

team order does matter for pvp as they auto-burst left to right

[covert lintel]

Regular tower offers a huge credit so you have to do it anyway

[fathom rock]

When I need the creds

[shell hazel]

I'm sleeping on tribe atm at 390, think it's the whale

[dusky epoch]

@fathom rock Thanks for the advice, I am thinking about Piercing for PVP destruction is not that bad I think I need to do more research

[covert lintel]

After 2 years playing

[shell hazel]

tempura cube for pvp and quantum/vigor

[fathom rock]

Piercing isn't a cube you want for pvp tho
Its too niche in pve and if there are parts destruction will be better

[dusky epoch]

ah sorry LOL PVE

[fathom rock]

My global is only 10 stages ahead

[dusky epoch]

my bad

[fathom rock]

In most situations where there is no core or parts, the piercing cube users aren't even doing damage

[covert lintel]

that's ez now

[shell hazel]

I could probably beat it but why rush? I'm like 100 levels ahead anyway 😛

[dusky epoch]

oh oki

[covert lintel]

But before rapipi released it's chaos for elysion tower

[fathom rock]

I used to mald that lmao

[shell hazel]

i'm on 390 and the nearest guy in my server is 310

at sync 313 I doubt they could build up and smash the whale

[fathom rock]

My na can beat 410 probs maybe I should try hmm
My campaign is stuck at 27-9 anyway, not enough dmg need mmast or sync 341

[shell hazel]

great minds think alike 😄

[fathom rock]

[shell hazel]

@hollow lagoon you through 4-1 lol

in fact almost 5-0 your stall comp left just a single doro left alive to tell the tale

[clear folio]

Retro!! he finally drew 1st blood his cp went up 400k in 2 days, is he padding?

[shell hazel]

looks like they failed lol

[clear folio]

hes been prepping to atk 👀

[shell hazel]

how much cp do they have?

[hollow lagoon]

Idk how but I won some how

[shell hazel]

it wasn't even close

[fathom rock]

Not enough apparently lmao

I can't believe ego this fragile exists

[shell hazel]

don't forget to vote for costume 2 ord tickets as well all

[fathom rock]

I can't open link

[shell hazel]

it's not a link

it's in the game

jackal bug really did speed up team 5 I guess? 😄

[hollow lagoon]

I voted for commander shirt, and I got lucky indom

[shell hazel]

I voted for A

think that C is kind of the lazy option, nothing wrong with RH outfit but if I wanted to see that I'd just go look at RH lol

so I hope the winner is A or B anyway

[covert lintel]

His bay can't hold my helmT snipe

@raven plover I'll lose to pogapple again

[shell hazel]

i'm def/top, my next match against jojo, he's running some strange teams but strange doesn't necessarily mean ineffective

[mint jay]

any good comps?

[keen vapor]

He's Retro, he's no pleb

[shell hazel]

t1 - I should win their sg team not that invested and they're shooting at biscuit locked defender mostly
t2 - depends, I've lost to 2RL Bay but this is at best 2.5RL, perhaps my scarlet fires in time. could lose this.
t3 - I'm a fair bit quicker and jackal feed + LapT damage post burst. I could/may win this one, I like to think I'm more likely to. My noise may not burst though due to siren.
t4 - weird opponent team not quite 2RL even with 5 quantums. I probably lose shooting at biscuit locked rumani.
t5 - indom LapT? I like to think stall should take this

[fathom rock]

Who wanna know the result of this

[keen vapor]

Pierce cube is permanent damage upgrade for RH you want to be flexed?

[fathom rock]

Name reasons to use rh b3 in a situation without core or parts

[glad meteor]

Show

[covert lintel]

Wasn't the cover counted as parts?

[keen vapor]

Ultra's parts don't last long you know

[keen vapor]

So, can I count Ultra?

There's 2 of them currently

Anomaly Ultra and Museum Ultra

Even when you hit body you're piercing

So damage will increase regardless of no parts

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal I had a feeling I would misindom bc pepper LMAO. but sorry

[fathom rock]

The core is a part and the parts respawn

[shell hazel]

Hime

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

how did you do?

[keen vapor]

But is damage increase Retro

Pierce cube is not as niche as destruction cube retro

[fathom rock]

@umbral belfry @tropic summit @placid bloom @glad meteor

[glad meteor]

[placid bloom]

[fathom rock]

Bro if you wanna use ultra as an example the core is almost perma the whole fight and parts keep coming, destruction is bis and rh is only 1 unit too

[placid bloom]

what was the matches

[wet crystal]

[keen vapor]

Is BiS for RH, Laplace.... Not Alice

[fathom rock]

Exactly like predicted

[placid bloom]

I don't even remember what happened tbh

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

my matches if anyone wants to see but there is nothing that exciting except did we get uber fast scar feed on t5?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGe2BdGt_bE

[keen vapor]

Retro I have level 7 pierce cube

[fathom rock]

you know core is counted as part right?

[shell hazel]

https://youtu.be/SGe2BdGt_bE?si=eLXt91JzYGXFvSke&t=120

[keen vapor]

[shell hazel]

match 5 direct link 🙂

[fathom rock]

Atleast some core but who told you lv7 pierce and you pvp too

[shell hazel]

[placid bloom]

why you upgrade pierce cube

[keen vapor]

I leveled 7 PVP cubes long ago...

[fathom rock]

Resil and bastion lv15?

[placid bloom]

tempering lv15

[fathom rock]

Why not lv15 tempering if you so into pvp

[quick lake]

we did it

[keen vapor]

Resil will be 13 on next raid

[fathom rock]

Mine gonna hit 15

[keen vapor]

Retro, I must confess

I dropped to Challenger 8 today

[fathom rock]

what happen

[keen vapor]

That annoying XP

On top of failing snipe against this new guy in town, Check

I swapped def for once

[fathom rock]

Echo is being washed too

[shell hazel]

anyone want to predict my next set of matches? link #pvp-arena message

[fathom rock]

Where atk

[keen vapor]

We get next set before the next hour?

[shell hazel]

atk bottom as usual

[keen vapor]

Oh, right, people voting for themselves

[shell hazel]

I can see who I am facing next already yep

t4 is weird even with all quants it's not 2RL so it might only be 2.5RL in reality

[fathom rock]

@shell hazel

[shell hazel]

it looks like...

[shell hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/parks-and-rec-gif-4978282

[dim escarp]

lmao

[quick lake]

funny sac hehe

[keen vapor]

Poll cancelled

[umbral belfry]

@wet crystal go the lap/xmaid stall way pls I beg

[quick lake]

funny sac hehe

[shell hazel]

sasuga 😄

[umbral belfry]

okie back to work

[shell hazel]

Hime you get through?

[wet crystal]

hmmmmmmmmmmm

[shell hazel]

[umbral belfry]

PLEASE FOLIAN😭

[shell hazel]

gz 🙂

[umbral belfry]

how'd you do hippo

[shell hazel]

I won but I expected to

[umbral belfry]

[shell hazel]

4-1

[umbral belfry]

niceu, okay I'll be back later

[shell hazel]

my next matches I posted the line ups just need people to analyse it beyond my own 😄

have fun Hime!

[quick lake]

mine is a gamble

[shell hazel]

I am not 100% sure I win next set but I think I have reasonable enough odds

[keen vapor]

Remember bug

[shell hazel]

I remember 🙁

their jackal is on team 5 but lapT isn't super lethal as main burst I think

[fathom rock]

? Maybe B/T/? Maybe T/very likely B/T
T1 ross being ross I feel that enough even if sg locked for a while, siren would have to solo without fb but 10s is a long time
T2 scar should go through unless bay burst fast enough
T3 top look like they have edge with lappy but siren also stun noise so no Dr idk about this one
T4 nice ross wiping scar trina what about the sgs shooting rumani top can win if xmaid not kill fast enuff tho
T5 stall clear indom lappy surely

Jackal bug could affect t3 outcome too

If bug affect scar too, scar might just kill ross at start

[shell hazel]

I think if their bay was 2RL I'd be cooked on t2

as it's not I might take it, but can be some rng here

[keen vapor]

..... I think I need to check Noise link

[fathom rock]

Maybe maybe they have enough cs to bay before scar b3?

[shell hazel]

my noise does link

noise/jackal/lapt link

[fathom rock]

Top very likely wins there then

I feel you win this

If indom lappy goes through then no comment

[shell hazel]

I think I have a reasonable chance bit more than 50% maybe

will wait and see tomorrow 🙂

[fathom rock]

Imagine your siren full wipe their sg

[shell hazel]

I think I win t1 for sure btw

their SG team isn't that invested it's weak

[charred vigil]

How would you deal with this opponent in SA?
(No CP Punishment, avg 2RL or close to 2RL)

[fathom rock]

Then you surely just win this matchup

[shell hazel]

I feel like this SG team can't beat this sbs team

ros won't be fatal

no dolls etc

[glad meteor]

Nice

[quick lake]

T1: 2RL Noah Cindy
T2: 2RL Scar Soda/Siren
T3: 2.5RL Blanc SBS Biscuit

[shell hazel]

their LapT is like 88K cp as well no chance

dunno how they have fav item maxed and 88K cp 😛

rest looks reasonable except for SR Anis and XMaiden, but yeah their t1 is garbage sg and LapT won't really be a threat here

so I should take 1/3/5 at least

[frank ingot]

may I ask, how do you win against scarlet/centi/trina/siren/jackal in rookie?

[shell hazel]

i'll troll everyone into picking the other guy due to high votes 😄

[charred vigil]

do you have a sample team comp for 2.5RL Blanc SBS Biscuit?

[shell hazel]

trina = buffs Scarlet. Better make sure Centi bursts then right? 😄

2RL noah/cindy will beat that

noise noah cindy helmT rumani

also they're supremely dumb if they put centi at p2

[fathom rock]

Vs t1
Noah biscuit xmaiden emilia rumani

Vs t2
Crow

Vs t3
Rrh blanc rh helmt jackal, check rrh jackal linked and check she lowest hp in link or force it using vigor on other units and feed + jackal bug makes it 2rl

Or use sbs instead of rrh, same condition apply tho

[charred vigil]

I didn't understand your t2? you mean crown?

[shell hazel]

no he means skip it

[fathom rock]

I mean you'll lose that fight Intently

So kill crow

[shell hazel]

just put in 1 unit to die quick

[fathom rock]

NEET

[ionic rose]

I was about to say is there any way to beat noise,noah,scarlet,helm and jackal?

[charred vigil]

for t3, do I need to make sure rrh has lowset attack so she won't be killed by helm?

[raven plover]

at least you have 2k gems now

[fathom rock]

Lowest hp, and high enough atk to link with jackal, blanc lift her up

[fathom rock]

Pretty hectic, built rossana?

[shell hazel]

just indom it or similar comp but you do RRH instead of scar

[fathom rock]

If not the noah biscuit emi rh helmT how I beat that

[ionic rose]

Wait Crow is actually useful in pvp??

[shell hazel]

unbuffed scar isn't going to hurt much

[fathom rock]

Useful unit in terms of letting her die

[charred vigil]

Based on this calculator, the helm would likely busrt faster than blanc.

[shell hazel]

I feel like your crow comment flew over everyones heads 😄

[fathom rock]

I still can't read this calc

[fathom rock]

Thwy seriously have this much cs?

[charred vigil]

I don't know. Just count on the worst case

[shell hazel]

run this against the noise/noah/scar team

or SBS instead of RRH at p1

[fathom rock]

If I'm reading this right you're assuming they burst before 2rlw which is nuts
Who has that much cs

Is your opponent keripo

[shell hazel]

bit less feedy depends how strong your rapi etc is 🙂

[ionic rose]

ur right rapipi might just do it

[shell hazel]

well the opponent kind of weak once their Noah runs out

[placid bloom]

Helm isn't instant, Blanc will catch in time. It's not really safe to Helm nuke into a defensive B2 unless you are like 1RL ahead

[charred vigil]

not burst before 2RL, is just the moran team burst at 2RL and the rrh blanc team burst like in 2.5RL?

make sense, I don't think the calculator is always accurate

[shell hazel]

that moran team is bursting at like 1.7RL if that chart is to be believed 😄

1.6 - 1.7

[placid bloom]

the timing on the calc is more or less correct, but it doesn't account for casting animation and delays

it only tells you when the B3 will cast

[fathom rock]

20cs xmaid
21cs helmt
18cs bay
Yo who has these insane numbers
In this case you can just use centi instead of rh but this less dmg potential

[placid bloom]

some B3s are faster like Scarlet, some are slower like Helm and Cinderella

Scarlet will basically always be on time

the rest are iffy

[charred vigil]

Actually, the charge speed is based on my own setup.
It's not that crazy.

[shell hazel]

it's more than a casual would have though

[fathom rock]

[nimble swan]

I'm getting to understand you always say you will probably lose, when you are sure that you will win. Psychological warfare
Btw congrats, i saw you 4-1'd poor guy

[shell hazel]

yeah but truth be told I am never that certain on the winning part lol

but I'm fairly confident atm on the next set

[placid bloom]

well at a certain point you can win just from invest since most people don't actually invest that much into CA

[shell hazel]

should win 1/3/5 so 2/4 don't matter as much

[placid bloom]

it's usually the same few people that have super high invest

[shell hazel]

yeah we get the keripos of the brackets basically

I'd say there are people that do it in mine, probably 8-16 people at least who are investing to CA

the top 8 is usually competitive

[nimble swan]

yeah that guy never had too good teams tbh

[shell hazel]

he runs some random teams lol

[nimble swan]

i like the biscuit in his scar team

[shell hazel]

your 2RL bay beat my 2RL scar but his bay is 2.5RL I think, on match 2

[nimble swan]

idt he will win that

it needs to be 2RL

[placid bloom]

depends what the B1 is

[shell hazel]

if it was 2RL yep

is moran so maybe

[placid bloom]

if it's Moran into single buff Trina Scar you can tank

[shell hazel]

it's double buff scar

[fathom rock]

Another day another cheer @umbral belfry @tropic summit

[placid bloom]

double buff is dead

[shell hazel]

trina/RH

[placid bloom]

you have to be full SR15 and high tempering on everyone to survive double buff

and their Scar has to be shit

[shell hazel]

mine isn't amazing tbh, she usually gets the job done

I need to roll here for better stats still

SR-15 10/10/10 and 147K CP though so not nothing, she's mainly missing atk

[fathom rock]

Stop having self doubt your scar is good and is double buff

[shell hazel]

we full lock in 🙂

[tropic summit]

was the previous one even correct?

[fathom rock]

That guy on the right I feel he was in my bracket

He look too fimiliar

[fathom rock]

Yes yes I was about to fail it by lemon spam earlier

[fathom rock]

Me think r/l/r/l/r

[tropic summit]

T1 can go either way, although left T1 will be likely without a B2, but if any SG is left alive + SBS and rosanna they'll kill the rest of the team because they lack DPS

[fathom rock]

Wudahel same guess except t1
Their sg don't look invested but well ross can still nuke scar ig

[tropic summit]

yes she will